"Can you stop that?" "I can't think of questions." "You're not gonna get sunburned, Matt." "Just..." "Just relax." " Anything." " Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah..." "Hold on, hold on!" "Let me think of it." "Umm." "Do you...?" "Do you ever get..?" "I mean..." "On tour, it's day in and day out." "Umm." "Do you ever get...?" "Does that ever make you sleepy on stage?" "Umm." "Or tired?" "Tired on stage?" "That's my question." "Question number one is that." "Have you ever woken up in a nightmare, on a bus?" "Because the movement." "What kind of nightmares, have people talked about of having?" "Don't act like it was a dumb question!" "I'm following up on my first question!" "Do you have a notebook?" "With questions written down that you, like..." "Do you have any kind of organization and plan for this film?" "Our guests today in the studio are The National." "We're about to talk to a band called The National." "They've been critical darlings, for the last ten years or so;" "but now they are finally achieving some commercial success." "Yes, the secret is out." "This is one of the most talked about bands on the planet right now." "Please welcome to the program," "The National." "Your applause for..." "The National." "You're the smartest dressed band on the red carpet today." "Are we?" "Maybe we...?" "Did we over do it?" "No, not at all." "This is our first red carpet, so you are going to see a lot of waistcoats." "So the new record is blowing up." "Number three on the charts." "And you've been profiled in Rolling Stone, GQ." "You were recently the subject of a ten-page spread in the New York Times." "The Times piece mentions you guys are a band of brothers." "Two sets of brothers." "Bryan and Scott are brothers." "And Aaron and Bryce are twins actually." "But then, there's you, Matt." "You're the guy in the band who doesn't have a brother." "I..." "I do have a brother." "Um." "But he's nine years younger and lives in Cincinnati." "What does your brother think of the band?" "Aaaa?" "That's a good ques" " Aaa?" "I don't think he does think of it that much actually." "He's more of a metal head." "So..." "I think he thinks," "Indie rock is pretentious bullshit." "And here we are." "That's me, my sister, my dad, and my mom." "And there's Matt." "And this was at our grandma's funeral." "And uh..." "I don't know?" "I'm looking pretty good there." "Two weeks ago, Matt called." "He said the band is ready to go out on tour again." "And they're going to need extra help." "So he asked if I wanted to go on tour and be a roadie." "A year on tour with my brother," "I think, is going to be awesome." "I don't ever get to see him so..." "I think it's going to be fun." "I'm taking a camera along to make a documentary on the band." "Making movies is something" "I've always really loved to do." "A Primarily horror-action movies." "It's not The National but..." "This is my first movie," "From The Dirt Under His Nails." "It's about an insane animal trapper who resurrects from the dead." "And goes on a rampage." "And this one is Wages Of Sin!" "This one's about a barbarian with an identity crisis, who also goes through a murderous rampage." "I'm filming down here!" "Oh." "I didn't know that, sorry." "I don't leave until eight o' clock tomorrow night." "Okay." "Hi." "Hey, we were just talking to the fella upstairs." "We're just making a small documentary on The National." "He said it was okay if we do a little shooting." " Okay." " Alright." "Thank you." "Have you ever heard of The National?" "They're from here." "Right." "Right." "I'm his brother and I'm about to go on tour." "Have you ever been on a tour bus or anything like that?" " No." " I'm supposed to go on their tour bus, and I don't know what to expect." "I think I'm going to get together with him." "I'm going to be making this rock doc." "I thank you for letting me into your beautiful store." "Hey!" "Hey!" "How's it going?" "Good." "Good." "Like my new camera?" "You're not supposed to do that in here." "I know." "I know." "Hey, guys!" "Good, the whole band is here." "It's about to be confiscated by the TSA." "No, it's not." "I don't think so?" "Your cord's touching me." "I had no idea you've never been to Europe." "Welcome to Paris!" "Oooh!" "This doesn't even look like my arm!" "Looks like another-- oh, there we go." "Looks like another person in the room when I do this." "Who is that?" "I'm..." "This is cool." "I'm psyched you are here." "It's good to be here." "We have." "We've been here" "Matt is on a phone interview with a French newspaper." "Talking, So let's just listen in." "In fact, it was our first show in Europe." "It was a hundred people." "But it was our first taste of what it would be like to be a real band, I think." "We all are in a really weird moods just 'cause we're nervous." "That has never gone away." "We've learned to channel, I think, whatever anxieties we have into just the songs, I guess." "Stop." "How fast can you play?" "Well, who's faster?" "Should I go to Bryce for this?" "Who's faster, you or Bryce?" "Well, if I play with my fingers in scales," "I can play pretty fast." "But Bryce is the faster guitarist?" "Technically, yeah." "Do you want me to turn around?" "Actually, bend down and come up." "Yeah." "Now act like you're just picking up your glasses and not even paying attention to me." "No, this is good." "This is going to be perfect for your intro shot." "Yeah." "Like, basically I have, your job description right here." "You've seen the rider, right?" "Uh-huh." "No." "No I haven't actually." "I thought I emailed it to you?" "But, regardless..." "Oh." "Okay." "Maybe I did see that." "Yeah." "It's basically just a list of food." "Okay." "I just want you to make sure that it's all there." "Okay." "I'd like to say it is simple, but it's not." "Is there anything, like, in particular for, like, Bryce or Aaron?" "Well, you know them well enough" " to figure that out." " Yeah." "Okay." "You know, just moving down the list, as far as the show time is concerned, you need to assemble the band five minutes before the show." "So you got to make sure everybody's gone to the bathroom, you know." "Bryan's usually in the bathroom for, like, forever." "And then during the show," "I just want you to stay on radio communication." "Okay?" "So, I just want you to make sure you're available, in the event that something horribly wrong goes down." "Why I'm saying that, is because you're here, because we need someone to do this stuff." " Right." " And, you know, you just need to be careful about... not partying." "And, you know, you're not a band member, you're a crew member." " Right." " This shit has to get done." "Don't step backwards." "Hey, Tom." "I can't do this right now, dude." "You got to leave me alone." "Seriously." "Can you stop!" "Terry!" "You need to tell me if this is getting brighter?" "Go for Tom Berninger." "Do you copy?" "I copy." "Go ahead." "Ready for your brother down here." "Copy that." "He's already angry at me." "It's day one." "Everyone's grumpy." "Tom." "Do you copy?" "Matt!" "He..." "I just saw him go downstairs actually." "Matt, this is awesome!" "Have you ever played for this many people before?" "Nope." "No, it's going to be..." "It's going to be weird." "It's going to be fun." "Why don't you just scream, like, ahhh!" "Like..." "Yeah, maybe." "Go in the bathroom and shut the door." "I'll go in here." "I was thinking, you know," "Lynyrd Skynyrd, when he died?" "Well, I don't know-- the guy, not "Leonard" himself." "They had his brother take over for the band." "So..." "This could be a..." "He is my..." "Seriously, man, talk about riding his coattails." "Literally, right now," "I'm riding about eight coattails." "Two minutes, everyone!" "So yeah." "Are you rolling?" "Double decker bus." "Hello?" "London." "So, how famous do you think you are?" "Aaa..." "Not very famous." "Like, this famous." "What was that?" "What were you holding in your hands?" "No, I meant, like, a small amount of fame." "Are you asking in terms of US Weekly fame?" "Like celebrity?" "Because we're not, we're not, really famous..." "You are way more famous than any of my friends." "That's?" "Okay, I" "Just stand right there." "Okay." "You know, this is good too because I need more handsome shots of you in the hood." "Whose chairs are those?" "Umm?" "Not sure." "I just want to move them over there for now." "Just like over here?" "Aaaannnd good." "Don't sit on that." "Just 'cause..." "Where do you see The National in 50 years?" "Fifty years?" "I think, forty years." "I think, I don't know... in 40 years, I think we will be done." "Really?" "In 40 years from right now?" "That would be, like, being a band for 50 years, I think." "I don't know if any band has been a band for 50 years." "The Rolling Stones." "Well, okay, but, like seriously." "I always kinda wondered, do you have wallets?" "Do you carry wallets on stage with you?" "Your ID when you're playing?" "Do you have your ID on you?" "Actually I do, yes." "That's just weird to me." "Warm up." "I am." "Why don't you button up?" "I'm trying to." "Here, I'll take your jackets, everybody." "Tom said he'll take the jackets." "On my arm." "Thank you." "I stock the buses every night." "But there's always something one band member doesn't have." "Like a stick of "Toberone" chocolate." "You know?" "It's like, what?" "You didn't ask for Toberone last week." "You know." "And it's not even on the rider." "But I was supposed to pick" "Even though that venue had Toberone on the counter," "I didn't know you really wanted it in the bus." "And I'm not going to take every single piece of food that's in your dressing room and also put Reynold's Wrap over it, and stick it on the bus." "I like how he always says-- He acts all impatient, and acts like he doesn't like going to these photo shoots, but I know he actually does." "Look at him." "I swear." "I like a good tuck." "It's nice in here, isn't it?" "Good show, Matt." "It's been amazing." "But it's just that I'm feeling..." "It's just weird." "It's not what I thought it would be." "And sometimes, Matt walks off stage, and doesn't even recognize me." "He's got this glazed over look in his eyes." "I think he has to go to this weird zone sometimes, to deliver the show." "You should never take it personally." "It's the job." "Yeah, I know, it's a job." "Ohhh!" "Nice one!" "That's how you do it." "I don't know." "I think we should all be hanging out more." "We might want to make this a hard alcohol night." "No, no, no!" "That's verboten." "We got some Jager in there." "No, no." "You've got the allergy." "No, I don't." "You've got the fucking allergy." "Have I had the allergy" "Yes!" "Have I been on this tour and had the allergy?" "Have you fallen down in a bodega, and knocked over the chips rack." "Guilty." "Guilty." "That's why you have to stay away from the whiskey." "Tip your head over the top of the thing." "Yes." "It doesn't leave a lot to the imagination, but we can always blur it out." "Don't worry about that." "You and Scott seem to be the two members of the band who actually live a Rock  Roll lifestyle, from my observations." "What's the question?" "How many like-- how-- What kind of... if you've done drugs?" "What kind of drugs and how many drugs have you done?" "I don't mean to pry." "Okay." "Umm..." "They seem so coffee house and yet you seem more metal." "I just want to have fun on tour." "I just want to..." "you know." "I mean, I'm with a rock band, I kinda want to feel..." "It kind of disappoints me that there isn't more crazy stuff going on." "Yeah." "You know how, yesterday, we asked for more beer and a bottle of tequila?" "I just want you to know we pay for all that." "I know." "I'm aware." "I'm" "Just keep it in mind that everything we use, we pay for." "Okay." "Just keep that in mind." "That's all I wanted to say." "Party's over." "Gotcha." "Good, good call." "Have you done the towels?" "Yes." "I got all those ready for ya." " Wine bucket?" " Yup." " Water bottles?" " Yup." " Everything's cool?" " Everything's cool." "Brandon for Tom." "I need towels and water bottles." "Tom, I thought you did this." "Brandon just yelled at me earlier." "I know he's got to be stressed." "Why did he yell at you?" "For doing this." "For just filming." "I feel like the only reason why he thinks I'm on tour, is because I'm your brother." "Here's the truth, the only reason you are here is because you're my brother." "That's not tr" "Well, that is true, but there are other reasons why I'm here, too!" "Here's my point." "You wouldn't be here if you weren't my brother." "But we need you here and I'm glad you're here." "You just have to make sure that all that other stuff is taken care of." "You're like the new guy, that doesn't really know what he is doing, to be perfectly honest." "I know what I'm..." "I'm just..." "Why are you taking his side over mine?" "I'm not taking sides, Tom." "Just turn the camera off." "This whole thing is..." "It's weird that I'm even here." "I don't even know what I'm doing here." "I think that's Moby's house?" "Where?" "Up on that hill." "That castle-y looking thing, with the white turrets and stuff." "How do you know?" "There was a New York Times online real estate tour." "I swear that's it." "Looks super familiar." "Hey, Moby!" "Don't yell at the fucking neighbors!" "You drink all the time!" "But when you get started, you don't stop." "I'm just saying be careful." "You get on the slope, and you slide down the slope, and you don't turn around." "That's why I was telling you before we left on tour..." "Whatever." "You seem fine, but slow down." "You've got the allergy." "Okay." "Not from me." "All of our guests are out there?" "Okay." "We are still figuring out our bass guitar." "Don't worry." "We'll get it together." "What's wrong?" "Nothing." "Did somebody say something to you?" "Nothing." "It's fine." "Can I have, literally, two minutes?" "The show sucked..." "It was fine." "I thought it was okay." "No, it sucked." "Do you want to go get something to eat?" "Matt!" "I need to see the footage of this film you're working on." "Okay." "Yeah." "I'll get it to you." "I'll get it to you." "Okay." "Is it for any clearances or anything?" "Or is it just..." "I think we're all a little concerned." "I mean, I'd like to make sure we don't have any clearance issues." "But we're also a little concerned how the band is going to come off looking in this." "Who's been asking about me?" "Nobody." "Nobody yet." "Okay." "Okay." "You know, I'm just concerned." "No worries." "No worries." "You'll see a cut ASAP." " Okay." " Alright." "I've been hearing that there's been some doubt, or concern about my abilities." "I want to show you my chops here." "This is just something simple I did a little while ago." "I don't want to tell you too much about it now." "We'll talk about it afterwards." "And now, I have the pleasure of introducing one of our great musical guests tonight." "Give it up for The National!" "Guys, we have to move everyone out." "Anyone who is not getting a click has to move down the hall." "See you later, guys." "Was that him?" "I can't stand here?" "Can I stand right here?" "They don't want anybody in front of these doors." "Damn it." "I'm sorry you didn't get to meet the president." "They only vetted the five of us for whatever reason." "It's not like we could complain about that." "If-- whatever." "If there's an opportunity again in the future," "I will try to get you to meet the President." "Did they even do a background check?" "They probably did a background check and found I had a DUI from ten years ago." "No, they didn't do that." "They didn't even check you at all." "And I'm sure it had nothing to do with your DUI." "I feel like I'm on the outside of his world, looking in, you know?" "And even though there was a huge age difference growing up, it was never like that." "I know he likes me as his little brother." "And he would do fun things with me." "He would take me to movies and force me to go fishing." "Anyway's..." "It's..." "Sometimes I think, he never really understood me." "You were the weird, artsy kid." "Yeah." "I was more" " I was like..." "And he was like the golden boy, the quarterback." "Yes." "Exactly." "I felt like, I think differently." "Matt has it easy." "He's got thousands of people reminding him of how brilliant he is every night." "Of course, you might feel a little jealous of that." "Maybe your relationship is suffering." "But I think Matt's got a lot in his life." "He's gone from working a job to being a rock star." "There's a shift there." "It's hard to know," "I always say that what he has to do, is a lot harder than what we have to do." " Are you okay?" " Are you comfortable with these" "Yeah, it's cool." "I mean, I'm a little, sort of, perplexed because you guys said you wanted to get me into the movie and talk about me." "But it seems like you're just..." "Yes!" "...want to talk about Matt." "It's normal." "Most people, a lot of people, just ask questions about Matt." "No, that's okay." "No, you're" " I'm" " Alright." "You kinda got to get your shit together a little bit." "I'm happy you're on tour with us." "I have no problem..." "I'm happy you are trying to make this movie." "But, you got to remember you're not" "I'm just getting exposure here." "I have no problem sharing a hotel room with you, but for example, when I get up in the middle of the night and go to the bathroom, and there's cereal and milk on the floor of the fucking bathroom," "of the hotel room." "Wait, are we going to do a" "It's irritating." "You couldn't wipe it up with a towel?" "I did wipe it up with a towel!" "Why did I go in there at one in the morning, and I'm stepping and almost fall in milk?" "Were you eating in the dark?" "Your wet bathing suit was hanging off the table in the lounge of the bus." "Like, 12 people live on this bus." "You can't hang your wet bathing suit." "Where were you swimming?" "Where are you going?" "I'm just standing up." "I'm just.." "I'm a little.." "I feel like I'm free falling a little bit here." "Well then, pull out of it!" "You have to come up with some kind of idea for this movie." "Okay, here's what I'm thinking." "I just need a shot of you." "Can you look up?" "Look away." "Look intense into the camera!" "Look away." "Okay now act like you just got a really good idea!" "Have a thought like..." "Wait a second!" "Do that." "And say, wait a second." "Wait a second!" "He's not perfect, you know." "Yeah, no, he's not perfect." "I don't know." "He frustrates me at times, and then other times, he surprises you." "And it's like anybody." "Nobody's perfect." "Has he ever blown up?" "Has he ever lost his temper with you?" "Yes." "I'm going to grab myself some wine." "Explain into the camera how much" "I'll have some wine." "Explain in the camera how much..." "And I'm listening." "Well, when we were trying to finish Boxer." "It was the song, Apartment Story." "This is what caused it." "The original vocal was the first scratch vocal that had this real effortless, almost sleepy..." "Thanks." "...vibe to it." "And he re-did the vocal one day, and I really in my heart it was like, "It's wrong."" "And I couldn't shut up about it." "I didn't realize how angry he was getting, and at some point, a switch flipped, and I saw blood in his eyes." "And he just tore my head off and it's actually frightening when he gets angry." "It's terribly frightening." "Because he steam rolls you." "Go ahead." "I'm sorry, go ahead." "I don't want to pile it on Matt." "But anyway's, so I left." "No, pile it on." "It's too loaded, you guys as brothers." "You're too set in your ancient patterns of behavior as brothers." "You're the underdog." "He's the dominating alpha male." "You're not going to win." "Do you want me to just bring them drinks and then" "No, no, no." "They're not going to want to walk into a room with a camera on." "So I don't think you should film." "Put the camera down." "That's bullshit!" "Just for tonight." "I'm fucking filming them!" "I've been on tour for, like, eight months." "Nothing's fucking happened until some television stars on TV show that I watch..." "It's going to be fucking awesome to put them in the movie!" "When people who are getting spotted all the time, celebrities, walk into a room," "And, without them knowing, there is a live camera on them, it's just" "I'm fucking filming them, Matt." " I'm filming them." " They just want to relax." "I just want to relax." "Please, does that make sense?" "Tom!" "How's it going?" "We met outside." "We're almost two hours out of town and Brandon, wakes me up and says," ""Dude!" "Your brother's not here!"" "You were an hour out of town actually." "Don't film this!" "Put the camera down!" "Somebody looks in your bunk and Tom's not in there!" "We looked." "Nobody has any idea." "Brandon was furious." "I was super worried!" "Where were you?" "Who were you with?" "I was with Bryan and Scott!" "They were on the bus!" "They made it back for bus call like you're supposed to." "Put the camera down!" "Who leaves friends at a bar?" "They should have been, "Hey Tom, we're leaving."" "No one did that." "You're not their responsibility!" "You're a fucking adult!" "I was just having a good time!" "What did he say?" "I'm sorry." "We have to go." "Am I fired or what?" "Technically yes." "Don't put it through that filter." "Please." "Just think of this as an opportunity." "Now you can..." "Why are you filming this?" "Are you sure you want to film this?" "If you don't mind," "I would like to have this on record." "We hoped that this would be the right fit." "And it isn't working." "This is when it gets a little more depressing." "What's this one called?" " This one?" " Yeah." "It's just going through the garden or something." "Looks like a palm tree in there." "No." " That's my favorite one." " Which one?" "This one." "This one?" "Yeah." "I like this one." "These are some of my pastels." "Well, I got some questions." "Let me sit down." "Off the top of your head, how do you think Matt and I are different?" "Growing up." "Growing up." "How were Matt and I different from each other?" "Matt was a lot easier to raise than you." "What was that laugh all about?" "Well, I mean, you were a hard kid to..." "you know that!" "For instance, you wouldn't do things." "You wouldn't get in the pool down at swim lessons." "You cried all the time in first grade." "If you were going to football practice," "I had to wait in the car, I couldn't leave." "I just didn't like football practice." "I didn't like getting told what to do." "When I didn't even want to do that." "But you needed to do something, complete something." "You always wanted to quit things." "No, I didn't." "Like what?" "What do you mean?" "I think you didn't-- Well, did you start baseball?" "Did you ever play baseball?" "Yeah, but I quit that." "Yeah, that's what I said." "You quit that." "We use to let you quit things every now and again if you didn't like it." "But then it got to the point you were quitting everything." "Well, I thought that's not a good habit to get into." "Who was a better artist?" "Well, we can look at that." "You were both very different." "Look, look!" "These are my inspirations." "This was Matt's art which was very abstract and minimal." "And this is all you work!" "Take some shot of that." "I think that's really cool." "Yeah, this is pretty good." "Yeah, this is great." "This is the type of work you did." "Really wonderful." "What's this guy doing?" "Is he sawing a leg?" "He's making a leg." "Near an empty creek." "And then he's dreaming about new legs." "And then same guy in a school bus, and he's thinking about eating a leg." "What's not to love about that?" "What other differences do you see between me and Matt?" "I think, Matt really, just has a great deal of self confidence." "And I don't think that you have that kind of confidence that he has." "Because you obviously haven't had the same kind of success." "He's well known in the Indie rock circles and the band is doing very well." "In your personality" "Matt could get angry a little bit easier, and sometimes, he seemed to be more moody when we was younger." "Mom used to worry about him being moody." "You never seemed to worry a whole lot about things." "You just took it as it came." "Whatever you were doing, if that's what you wanted to do, that was fine." " I was always happy." " Oh God, I know." "You were happy." "Until now, I'm the depressed one and Matt's all happy again." "Because he's successful." "Right?" "You're successful." "No, I'm not." "You will be." "I'm telling you I know that." "I'm positive of it." "What have I always told you?" "I'm your most creative." "Most talented." "You were my most talented." "And I've said that from the time you were a little kid." "And I believe it." "I still believe it." "I mean it!" "You don't believe it." "Move that up." "All the way up, right back to the wall." "You don't think she'll mind me living in here, do you?" "Well, this is her play room." "What kind of job do you think I'll get?" "You think I'll be a movie maker?" "No!" "Do you think I will be dating a hot movie star someday?" "No!" "No way." "My phone." "My phone!" "My phone!" "Let it go!" "Fine." "Can I use a pizza slicer on your head?" "Tom, you can stay with us as long as you want." "I think it will be fun." "Okay." "Thanks." "Good." "You can close the door, and you can do nothing but focus on finishing the movie." "After that, then we can figure out what you are going to do." "This is the movie in no particular order." "But it's scene and ideas that I'm dealing with," "I'm working on." "Let me tell you, the color coding has a lot to do with how it's set up." "We have the pink stuff-- is tour." "On the road." "The road going by." "You know, the asphalt going by." "The blue ones are sentimental, you know." "Something that will touch their hearts in some way." "The purple ones are scenes with just band guys in them." "This is basically all new stuff I just found, just recently." "I see yellow dots," "I see pink dots, I see green dots." "They're all the same." "Well, except for the green dots." "Wait." "Tom, these aren't in any sort of order?" "No." "Well, somewhat." "They're not in." "No." "Not yet." "But it's for me when I'm at my computer, and I figure out what comes next." "What's something that comes next." "Then I have a reference." "It's more like a reference." "No, that's cool." "All I'm saying is that it's impossible for me to give you any feedback on the movie at all, by just looking at these post-it notes." "It looks interesting." "It looks like you have an interesting movie." "You have skinny dipping Iggy." "Is that Iggy Pop?" "Yes." "You got him skinny dipping?" "No." "I didn't get him skinny dipping." "He was playing in the background and there were skinny dippers at that festival in Germany." "But don't fall in love with it, because I did not get the skinny dippers releases." "Tom, this does look exciting." "No, no." "Tom, I'm not trying to be discouraging." "I'm totally encouraging." "So all you wanted is for me to understand your system?" " Yes." " Okay." "Cool." "Tom, what's this?" "That's actually a self portrait that I messed up on." "And I just put horns on it." "Can we go through it real quick?" "When you embark on a new album like this right here, how do you deal with that?" "Just tell me about your struggles with the creative process a little bit." "I mean, the most stressful thing for me is before you have an idea." "Like, I need to write National songs, and I can't think of anything." "And that's really stressful." "But the minute you have an idea, the making of the thing is really fun." "I would say that 90 percent of everything you do is either bad, rejected, or overlooked, and that's just to be expected." "Look at us." "We're making records and it's like 40 to 45 minutes of sound." "And that takes us, like, two years!" "With five people and people helping us." "People working and producing, everyone in the studio and all that stuff." "And then finally, at the end of all that, there's 45 minutes of sound coming out of speakers." "So how do you think it's going to go?" "Well, I think it's going to go pretty well." "I think people are going to be surprised at what they see." "I mean, it doesn't have a twist ending, but it's going to be good." "It's fast paced." "It's colorful." "I put some of my music in there, as well as some National music." "I don't want to know too much about it." "I know." "Tom, did you ever get in touch with that girl?" "Actually" " No, no." "I don't want a girlfriend just right now." "I don't have the clothes to wear that they probably want me to go out and wear." "I don't have the bed that they probably want." "I don't have the shit." "Like, I don't have any dishes." "I don't have fucking anything." "You have dishes." "No, I don't have dishes." "I thought you did." "Yeah, it's expensive here." "Don't you eat the stuff in the fridge?" "No, I don't really fix stuff for myself." "Well, where do you eat?" "Other than our food?" "Well, you can get slices of pizza pretty cheap." "Here and there." "Pizza slice here." "Pizza slice there." "Chinese food every couple days." "I don't know." "It's going to be good." "It's going to be good." "I'm not feeling very good at the moment." "I think I'm going to throw up." "No." "It will be good." "It'll be over in an hour, and everybody will go get to see The National." "Which they came to see anyway." "It's just a rough cut." "I spent about six months to about eight months, traveling with these guys." "And this is my impression of the band." "Thank you, everybody, and, yeah, that's it." "Thank you!" "Oops!" "Why is this happening to me?" "I don't know." "The digital projector keeps stopping and" "It's not over." "You should have been in there, hours and hours ahead." "Or, you should have gone the day before to make sure everything was working." "I felt terrible for you." "But I was also totally pissed off." "How did you let bad luck stop you again?" "Everyone has bad luck." "It's easier for you to say when everything seems to be going right in your life." "But it doesn't." "Stuff goes as wrong for me as it does for you." "I have been lucky." "Maybe I have been luckier than you have." "The worst thing that can happen is that you let this paralyze you again." "And suck all your air out." "I'm seeing this as a fortuitous opportunity to re-cut a few things." "And I'm not depressed." "Okay." "Good." "Tom, are you depressed right now?" "Yeah." "Well, of course!" "I always am." "And it's really hard to be creative." "I did shoot myself crying last night." "For the movie?" "I needed something" "I don't know, it was real..." "Raw emotion that I felt like" "I'm feeling this now..." "I might as well get my camera." "You were crying about the movie?" "Yeah." "You don't have to cry about the movie." "It's just a rock documentary." "I'm sorry." "See what I'm saying?" "I know it's been super stressful." "I'm sorry." "I'm sorry." "I've never seen him cry at all." "He's probably seen me cry, like, four times." "I've seen you cry, like, a hundred times." "I've never seen you cry." "I cry." "I just want to make something good." "For him." "For the band, to believe in me." "As well as myself." "Welcome to Paris." "Oh." "This doesn't even look like my arm." "Looks like another person in the room when I do this." "All right." "Sit down, Matt." "Sit down." "What's it like-- I mean..." "Tonight, you're going to be playing in front of 5,000?" "I can't believe..." "I can't imagine playing" "I don't think I ever met more than 5,000 people." "That's amazing!" "Yeah." "I know it is amazing." "It's pretty nerve-racking but it's awesome." "For so long, we would go on tour and no one would be coming." "It was so humiliating for us." "And that happened a lot!" "And I remember the first time we played at Mercury Lounge." "And there was nobody there." "After that show, I went straight home, closed the door and started crying." "I think when we started putting tension and anxiety and fear and humiliation into the music, just putting it out there," "it made us closer to each other." "And for the people that did come to the shows, that was the connection." "Where were you?" "Who were you with?" "I was with Bryan and Scott!" "They were on the bus!" "But you needed to do something and complete something." "You always wanted to quit things." "The worst thing that can happen is if you let this paralyze you again and suck all your air out." "Having Matt as my older brother kind of sucks." "Because he's a rock star and I am not." "And it has always been that way." "But there was this one time when I was in high school and he was in New York." "And he called me up, because he had a horrible nightmare." "And his nightmare was awesome." "He was being attacked by some crazy guy on the street." "And he said that I came out of nowhere with an axe and I just axed this crazy guy to death." "I mean, I saved his life!" "It's just that that made me realize that my brother sees something in me that I, you know, sometimes don't see in myself." "I want you to wipe right across your eyes so I can get a good shot of your eyes." " Across the mirror." " Yeah." "And you got to have that look of you don't know who-- you don't know who you are anymore." "Okay?" "Okay." "And action." "Hold on." "Let me zoom in." "Say I am not The National." "The National is everybody's now." "Say that!" "Actually, that's good!" "Just say it." "You don't think I sound like a total asshole?" "I'll say it." "I will say it." "The National belongs to everybody now." "Nope." "No." " Look at me." " Okay." "The National..." "The National belongs to everybody now." "Keep doing that!" "Keep doing that!" "I zoomed in on your face!" "This might be good for the ending!" "Do one more of those!" "Tom, you focus on the wrong stuff." "It's true." "You are terrible at a lot of things." "But there are a couple of things that nobody else does as well as you do." "It drives me bananas that you will throw yourself away completely because of one or two things that you think are wrong about you." "That's what breaks my heart." "You got to ignore those, and lean towards the things that make you like yourself." "Forget everything else." "Fake it." "Fake your way upwards." "Hey, Tom." "Tom!" "Will you get out of here!" "Is it off?" "I turned it off." "I'm leaving!" "Put the camera down." "It's off." " Alright." "It's off." " Is it off?" "I'm just checking the progress." "I'm getting close." "Alright." "Just let me figure it out, okay?" 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