"TonightonAfterthe" "Runway..." "It'ssayin'thatyou 'rereal and you're not, you're a fraud." "I'mdefinitelythatreal, but" "Sayitto me ." "Itoldyoutoyour face ." "Putthatenergyout there, that's what you're gonna get back." "Myheart'sracingalittle bit." "Youjustlearnedhow tosew." "Yes." "Becauseallof asuddenit's  like..." "And I have a gown!" "[Laughter]" "Idon'tfeelbad ." "I really did just learn." "After the Runway 1x02 Let's Hear It for the Girls Original Air Date on October 6, 2011" "== sync, corrected by elderman ==" "Welcome,everyone,to After the Runway." "I'm your host, Zanna Roberts" "Rassi." "This is where we will dish with the designers about tonight's episode, and get to the bottom of some unresolved issues." "Hi, everyone, how are we all?" "[General assent]" "Are we good?" "That was quite the episode." "High drama." "Itwasveryhigh" "Ireallyfeltfor you all  throughout that whole thing, and obviously it was really special because it was the finale, the last runway, and then you found out who is moving forward." "Mm-hmm." "Congratulations..." "Thankyou." "Josh,Anya,Viktor,Kimberly." "Thankyou." "I'msorry!" "[Laughs]" "I'msorry,I'mlike,"oh, can they not all go through?"" "[Laughing]No,that'sokay." "Oh!" "How do you feel about the whole thing?" "Um,youknow,Imean ,like I said in the episode, it was a great experience..." "Mm-hmm." "AndI onlythinkthatallof us will be strengthened by it, regardless of what" "Inwhatway?" "Strengthenedasadesigner." "I mean, it tests your aesthetic." "Like you've got to know, and you've got to be certain." "Mm-hmm." "Doyouthinkyou shouldhave  been eliminated?" "Should you have been the one to go?" "Imean,hell--okay,um, being honest, because I'm an honest person, I do feel that Kim should have gone over me." "I don't think that what she presented was as strong, as far as aesthetic, or technically." "Kimberly,howdo youfeel about that?" "Um,I thinkshe'sentitledto her opinion." "It's just the opinions that came behind the scenes and not directly to me." "You know, just like her sittin' here sayin' that she's so real and honest, but yet there were a lot of things said behind the scenes that weren't" "Suchaswhat?" "Itwasthisepisodewhere," ""Oh, Kim's stuff is this, that, and a third," whereas, she never said any of that stuff directly to me..." "Right." "Andit'slike,ifyou'rethat real, say it to me." "I'mdefinitelythatreal,but" "I know when to have tact, and there was no reason for me to interject my opinion on your clothes." "If you would have asked, I would have told you straight out." "Yourclaimin thiswhole thing was that, "Oh, I'm real, I keep--I'm honest," and stuff like that, and you were saying back at the apartment that, you know, I don't say anything about" "you guys behind--you know, to the camera, behind closed doors, but yet you were, the entire season." "Imean,in thelastepisode, absolutely." "No,notjustthisepisode." "IthinkthatKim 'sstuffis really confusing." "Two of her garments look like they have goiters growing out of her legs, so I don't get that." "You don't wear, you know, plastic fabric." "How are you gonna wash that stuff, with a washcloth?" "I think it's Kimberly, and I think Cecelia are in the bottom, for sure." "Well,don'tyouthink" "Kimberly has a chance of being in the top, perhaps?" "No,no,Ican 'tsee Ninain that at all, honestly, I'm like," ""whoa."" "ItwastheNinaepisode,it was the sheep" "Itoldyoutoyour face ,and you know that, I did." "Yousaidto me ,yousaid" "No,I toldyoutoyour face ." "Whatyousaidtomeduring the Nina challenge was, "Oh, I" ""just said that I didn't think" "Nina would wear a gold top."" "You didn't say all of the stuff that was said and was shown on tv and behind-the-scenes stuff." "ItoldyouthatIcouldn't believe that Nina picked yours." "I said it to you, I did." "I'mnot--butthat'snot the  only time, it's not only the" "Nina challenge, it was the real woman challenge." "You were like, "Oh, she doesn't know how to design for real women, the list goes on and on." "I mean, it was like, so if you" "You'rereallyquite sensitive." "Well,yeah,becauseit'snot about your opinion about my stuff, because I don't" "Youclearlycarequiteabit ." "Icarethatyou 'resayin' that you're real, and you're not, you're a fraud." "Ithinkit 'sunfairtopick  on Laura for things that" "I'mnot." "Weallhavehad momentswhere we might have said something that we didn't mean to say, or we might have said that we had some kind of loyalty, and maybe it wasn't 100%, it's just human" "nature." "I'veneversaidanything about the two of you to the camera." "The reason why you don't see it on the TV, is because it's not there." "Yeah,butis thatreally genuine, though?" "I'mjustsayin'thatif--  whatever you felt, you should have just said it to me, 'cause" "I wouldn't" "IfI wasever" "She'sgoit ,allright." "IfI waseveraskedtosay it." "Quit!" "[Laughs]" "IfI waseverasked,Isaid it." "Allright,guys." "And you definitely had intense situations." "Yeah,andit waslikea professional intense situation." "It was just great." "Well,that'sit ." "I mean, speaking of professionals, you obviously had, you know, Nina talking to you a lot, and we heard..." "Yeah." "Youknow,Timtellyouthat" "Nina had questioned your taste level." "Yeah." "I'mnotsayingthiseitherto be mean or to hurt your feelings." "Mm-hmm." "Ninahasthisthingabout you, and she has her radar up when she sees your work." "Iknow." "Ijustwantyou toknow that  she gets bristly about your taste level." "IfNinasaysno, there'sno way I can push past that." "Now,howdo youfeelabout that?" "IthinkthatNinadidhaveit out for me." "I could tell from the initial casting, before Tim even said anything I go, "Nina doesn't like me."" "No,I thoughtshewas  paranoid." "I really didn't understand where it was coming from, but she just, she just knew, it was instinct." "Icouldseeit, Icouldjust see it." "It was--and it's fine, because" "I was like, "Okay, she can be, if anything, more tough on me--"" "Mm-hmm." "Andthat'llonlymakeme better." "IworkwithNinaonadaily basis, and, uh, she has impeccable taste..." "Sure." "Andifshesays,"it'sa problem," it means you have a problem, be scared, be nervous." "[Laughter]" "You know, and she does know what she's talking about, beyond" "Sure." "AndI thinkyouwererightto say, "this is what it's about, and I have to please them."" "Absolutely,yeah,yeah,yeah." "Youallhadhelpanywayon this challenge from your fabulous assistants." "[General agreement]" "Well, let's bring two of those very able assistants back out." "[Laughter]" "Oh." "BeckyandOlivier,comeon out." "[Applause]" "Hi!" "Comeon." "Hello!" "Youguys,I'mgonnago straight into you two." "How was it working back with" "Viktor, then?" "How is is, being on a team with him?" "Bringit,sister,bringit." "[Laughter]" "Imean,like,helping" "Viktor--Viktor was very, um, he gave me a lot of freedom to do what--not really, but like, yeah." "[Laughter]" "Like, it's easy to work with him, and work for him in that case." "Becky,youwerethe firstone to be picked by Kimberly here." "Yes." "Youwereobviously super-happy about that." "Well,I 'dworkedwith" "Kimberly before, and we'd worked really well together, and there was good communication, so that's exactly what I was hoping for." "[Laughs]" "Ifithadcometoit ,would  you have worked with Joshua?" "Well,I wouldn'thavehad a choice." "[Laughter]" "That's also very true, however, we did hear some strong words between the two of you over the course of a few episodes." "Ugh." "Indeed." "Let'stakealittlelook ." "Idon'twanttopoint fingers, but I will say that" "Josh did start us off very badly." "Whodoyouthinkisthe weakest link?" "Onthisteam,itwasBecky ." "You know, I just don't see much design within the outfit." "Ithinkhe wantsBertandI  to go home, so he can have his fun with the rest of you." "Becky,thisis notabout having fun, this is about creating a product that people are going to want." "I know what I want to deliver to someone, and I feel that you don't." "Ido." "Sothatis probablywhy I should be here, and you should not be here." "Willyouletmedesignthe top for the skirt?" "Becky,youdo dowdydresses, you know that." "Yourdemographicis like40 to death." "Excuseme?" "You told me to make a princess seam dress, so you can't blame me for the dress being dumpy or not cool." "Iamnothavingdramawith you, Becky, so you can cry and do whatever you need to do to get over it." "Becky, if you're tired, take a nap, 'cause I don't have time for it, I'll do it myself." "[Sniffles]" "[Sobs]" "Aw." "Oh,I don'twanttoseeyou cry!" "[Overlapping chatter]" "AndI 'msureit 'snotfun to relive or watch that again." "That's okay. [Laughs]" "Tellme" "Actuallymyheart'sracinga little bit." "Isit?" "Butyoulookrested." "Why,becauseyoufeelbad?" "[Laughter]" "Did you take a nap?" "'Cause you look good." "Thankyou." "Imean,youknow,ifwe just keep living in this bubble of this drama, it just isn't gonna help our careers or just our energy, you know, and I think it's all about energy for all of" "us up here, it's like" "ButI dowanttosay, Joshua, that when you put bad energy and negative energy out there, that's what you're gonna get back." "Iagreewithyou ." "I'mnotusedtopeoplebeing  that hostile to me, or that aggressive towards me, and I was already not feeling like I had a place within the group..." "Right." "Andthatprettymuchkilled it, and I don't think I ever recovered, and that's why I went home when I did." "Thathurtsme to hearthat." "AndI thinkI'malotmore sensitive than I realize." "Okay,weneedtotake a little break, but we will finish this up when we get back." "Welcomeback,everyone." "I'm Zanna Roberts Rassi, and" "I'm here talking about this season of Project Runway with some of the fabulous designers." "Joshua,whatwereyou  thinking then?" "Ididnothandleitin the best--in the best way, and I just would love to put this in a little box, hide it in the ground, and let it just dissolve into the earth, into something" "new, you know?" "Puta little,pinkbow onit, maybe." "I'mgoodwiththat." "AndI--Ijusthopeyouknow,  chances are I'm completely more insecure than you are, I just can hide it better at certain points." "Wow." "Wow, okay." "Youknow,I'masoftie." "Ibelievethat." "Well,I 'msorrythatyou felt it necessary to be like that, you know?" "Itwasforthatcha- " "It'ssad.[Laughs]" "Iwantedus to win,and we ultimately won, that's not only my dress, it's her dress, and your dress, so" "Yeah." "Consideryourselfpartofa  victory and part of a win." "Okay,it'stimefor that little segment I like to call," ""Clearing the Air."" "I want to know more about this" ""girl pact."" "[Laughter]" "We didn't actually see this girl pact form, tell" "Mm-hmm,itwasbehindthe scenes." "Itwasin ourroom." "Tellme,howdid ithappen?" "Ithinkit waswhenitwas, you know, when Tim walked in at one point and was like, "it's 70 to 30," percentage-wise, and we were like, "oh, my gosh--"" "Battle." "Andsowe said,we'vegotto even the score, and that if we felt that anything of the girls was not up to par, that we needed to say something." "Let'stakeaquicklook ." "Oh,no." "[Laughs]" "What'sKimdoing?" "[Gasps]" "ThefabricthatKim has  chosen is not current, there's nothing that's really popping about it." "Shouldwetalktoher?" "Idon'tthinkyou should, number one." "Wemadeapact." "Idon'tcareifyou're friends." "Wemadeapact." "Therearethreeofthegirls  left, and we have made a pact that we will be honest when we see something of our work going off-track." "If we tell her it's bad, then she's not gonna believe in it." "Okay,well,yeah,Imean ,I think the pact probably wasn't a good idea, because there also comes a point where like we do need to start worrying about ourselves." "Andwecan'tall staytill  the end." "Yeah." "What'sup,girls?" "What'sup?" "Hi." "Theunsuspectingfool." "[Laughter]" "Ah,whywhenyou guysboth  thought that Kimberly's designs were less than beautiful, didn't you tell her?" "Well,whatif we wouldhave said something to her?" "She was safe, so our feelings were off, clearly." "Do you know what I mean?" "Mmm." "It'sopinion,Imean" "It'sopinion." "Imean,at thatpoint,it's  taste." "Shewasfine,and ,Imean , you saw me." "Whataboutthepact,girls?" "What about girl power?" "Yousawme snapbackat" "Viktor, I said, "we had a pact!"" "You know?" "Kimberly,whatdo youthink about that fact they didn't tell you." "Ifeltlike" "I clearly was the only one that didn't know that we weren't upholding the pact, and that was the only thing, I mean, why--you just, like" "Oh,I 'mjustsayingthatI should be blamed for this, I was the one that was mostly like," ""we need to tell her."" "No,I 'mnotblaminganybody, that's the thing." "Like,areyougonnatalk  about" "WhatI 'msaying" "Maybewhatwe shouldhave done, in retrospect, is said," ""listen, now we're in" ""competition, let's just all be doing what we're doing."" "Right." "That'sprobablywhatwe should have done." "WhatI 'mupsetaboutisthat" "I was the only one that did not know that we weren't upholding-- you know, forget the pact, it was just, you know, I just" "Justhavebeenhonestand said, "this is over now, let's just compete."" "Imean,Ijustwant tosay that I felt sick watching some of the episodes, like physically, 'cause I don't like that I said some of the things that I said, and I just--I mean," "it's hard to go back and do anything about it..." "Right." "ButI reallydo apologizeand" "I feel very compassionate to everybody for the things that were said to me, too, you know, it just is what it is, it's done." "Ijustthinkyou shouldn't--I mean, you should do whatever you want, but you shouldn't apologize for doing what you felt at that moment, because we're human beings, and we all explore..." "Right,right." "Soyouknow,welearnfrom that, if it wasn't because of that, you would not be here right now." "Well,isthereanythingelse  that's niggling anyone, and they want to get it out on the table?" "Josh?" "Just,I amlearningalot about myself as a person through this whole experience, and watching it, and, you know, I'm" "25 and I'm growing with age, as a designer, as a human being, and I just want people to know that, you know, I'm learning, and that's what life's about, is" "to learn who you are, and learn from other people, so this has been the most amazing learning experience, as well, you know, and for situations like this, that I have to now watch it or" "document it, I'm like, "you can't be doing that."" "You know, Becky, I hit on the fact that she's sensitive, I want people to know that I am extremely sensitive..." "Weknow." "Anda lotof thiscomesout as a wall that I throw up, in order to defend who I am." "Mm-hmm." "BecauseI havebeencomeat my whole life." "I've been bullied, so it even hurts me to hear people calling me a bully now." "Mm-hmm." "Becauseultimately,Iwould never want to do what someone has done to me for years, and that--it's so hurtful to hear that." "I have apologized to Becky on the show, and if that didn't seem sincere to viewers watching it, you know, I hope Becky knows within her heart, and I apologize to you, and I hope" "that we can move forward from this." "Becky,doyouacceptthis  apology?" "Ido." "[Laughing]Oh,I'mgonnacry!" "[Laughter]" "Oh, it seems that's really genuine, as well." "Yeah." "[Muffledresponse]" "Okay,therewillbemuch more  of this coming up." "Sorry." "[Laughter]" "[Laughing]Staywithus." "Welcomebackto Afterthe" "Runway." "I'm your host, Zanna Roberts" "Rossi." "Now designers, we're gonna bring out a special guest." "He's been following you all season, and knows a thing or two about what you've been going through." "Let's welcome Season Two designer, Nick Verreos." "[Applause]" "Hello, baby!" "I'm so glad you're here." "How are you?" "[Kissing sounds]" "Thankyouso muchfor coming!" "Oh,thankyou,ofcourse." "Oh,howexciting." "Iwouldn'tmissthisforthe world." "[Laughter]" "Are you kidding me?" "It'sso" "Darlin'." "Whatdidyouthinkofthis season?" "Ireallythoughtitwasan exciting season, I have to say." "I love the show." "I'm part of the brand." "Thefamily." "Ofcourse,I'mpartofthe family, papa Nick." "[Laughs]" "SoI loveseeingall the  different creative designs, from everybody." "And of course, the drama." "So I love, you know, seeing other people go through it." "I don't know if I would go back." "It'strue." "Yes." "So I have some questions, actually." "Please,goforit, goforit!" "Go, ask questions, please." "I'mgonnaplaythe voiceof the viewers, you know, and things that we've been dying to know, and I'm gonna go to..." "Olivier." "A lot of my readers..." "Mm-hmm." "Uh,whoreadmyblog ,andas well as myself, have been wondering about your accent." "Okay." "[Laughing]It'sso true." "I'm like, where--I'm British, and I've never heard anything quite like it." "Youhaven't,okay." "Yeah." "Iknowyouwereborn inOhio,  right?" "Yeah,I wasborninOhio ." "Tellme,tellme." "AndthenImovedaway when I was two, two years old." "I was raised in Taiwan, I lived on the West Coast for a little while, and I went to London when" "I was 16, and I went to Milan for university, and I moved back to London after that." "Okay." "AndthenImovedfrom London to here, to New York, this" "February, and a lot of people have been asking me, like they're being--accusing me of copying a British accent, but like, I think Zanna knows, it's not a British accent." "It'sjustamix breed." "It's a real, like, hybrid of different accents." "It's definitely not like the northern accent that I've got, like North England." "[Coughs]" "It'smore--it'sawell-to-do accent, we'd say." "Allright,so nowwe've established where the accent comes from, right, I have a second question." "Yes." "Itseemsthatpossiblyyou had a problem with the sistas." "Do you know what I'm talkin' about?" "[Laughter]" "Theydo." "I mean, he doesn't know." "Thegirls." "WiththedoubleDs." "Okay,oh,withthe boobs?" "Wecallthemthe sistas, right?" "[Laughter]" "Thank you." "Do you still have that issue, and why?" "And why did you have that" "Idon'thavethatproblem with any... of our body parts." "[Laughter]" "Withthesethings." "Herbreastsarelike ginormous." "Is that correct?" "Big,yeah,big." "Youknow,Idon 'tlikewomen having boobs, I just want them to be flat, like when I come up with the design." "I think that distracts the whole line." "Tim,amIallowedtoaskyou what double D means, like breast size?" "WhatdoIknowaboutit?" "I just know it's a bra size." "[Laughter]" "I don't have any personal experience with it, Olivier." "Thoseboobsto me are trouble." "Those were problems when it comes to design, but not a problem in general, like..." "[Laughter]" "Why would I have a problem with any body parts?" "You can have boobs as big as you want, I don't really care." "[Laughter]" "YouknowwhatdoubleDis?" "Iwasn'tlikehavingnoclue about--that's a bra, like a bra cup size, I was wondering why it didn't go from A-B-C-D to E, but double D, 'cause you don't see double C, double B," "double A, you know?" "[Laughter]" "Oh,God!" "Ithinkwe 'regood,right?" "Ithinkwe 'regood,wegot the boobs down." "Iloveit ." "That'smyquestion." "[Laughter]" "Thankyou,Olivier,thank you, darling." "We'regonnahavealittle lesson after this, right?" "Yes." "[Laughter]" "Oh,myGod." "Allright,Iwanttodiscuss now, let's see, Laura." "Thanks,thanks." "Allright,Iwanttotalkto you about money." "[Laughing]Okay." "Nowinthislastchallenge you had $300." "[Laughs]" "Ooh,I wasangry." "[Laughter]" "Miss Laura, she had $300, and she done been spending like" "$700, right?" "Oh,ImeldaMarcosoverhere ." "Whoo!" "IthinkwhatIdo , withthe limited amount of time, I never wanted to be stuck up at the counter, being like, "I wish I would've cut that."" "Right,right." "Mmm." "AndsoI'mlike,"justcutit  all, I want it all, I'll take it," and then for like the one challenge where Bert was very generous to give me money for the group rocker challenge, um," "I actually bought enough fabric to make two different looks, and" "I didn't even use a whole batch of it, but it was because I was like, "well, what if," you know?" "Right,right." "Imean,Ididn'twant torun into an issue." "I will be no stranger to saying that I love to spend money." "Youheardit here,she loves to spend money." "[Laughing]I do." "Mom's like, "oh, gosh--"" "[laughter]" "Iknow." ""There's my girl!"" "[Laughs]" "Yeah,right?" "IthinknowI'm gonna,like , do the little "spin the bottle with Nick," and it's gonna go to..." "Anya." "Oh,howdidIknow ?" "[Laughter]" "Allright,so withyou ,I think the main, important thing that a lot of the viewers want to know is, the sewing." "You just learned how to sew." "Mm-hmm." "Andthenyoucreatedsome  amazing things, and everybody's like, "where did that come from?"" "And I remember that a lot of the viewers, a lot of people, you know, I talked to said, "well, was she lying?"" "Right." "Right?" "Yes." "Becauseallof asuddenit's  like..." ""And I have a gown."" "[Laughter]" "Yes." "Ican'tmakeajacket,I'll just put it out there." "[Laughter]" "I don't feel bad." "We don't wear jackets in the" "Caribbean, so I don't feel bad about that." "[Laughter]" "I'll learn, but, um, you know, when the people question me about the sewing, I feel it's kind of an underhanded compliment, because I really did just learn, and it's sort of" "like, well, I did the best that" "I could, and it really shocks me as much as it shocked anybody else." "I was always last." "Mm-hmm." "Iwasalwayssewingpeople in, I mean, those are the part of the "make it work" moments." "Right." "The people with more experience," "I understand the frustration of not" "Right." "Of being further ahead, and then" "I still won some of the challenges." "Right." "You know?" "So--but I guess all I can say to my defense is that I worked as hard as anybody else..." "Mm-hmm." "WiththetoolsthatIhad ." "Andyoustillmadeitwork,  and I have to say, it just showed that you were and are a talented designer." "Thankyou." "AndI alwayssaythat,you know, it isn't--it isn't Project" "Seamstress, it does help to have that experience, but in the end, that's why the tagline comes in, "Make it Work."" "Exactly." "Youknow,andyou have extremely innate sense of style." "Finally, I just want to say that" "I want to give you a hug for being part of the five crew." "Thefivecrew?" "'CauseI wasnumberfiveon" "Season Two." "Oh,wellthen,we'renumber-- [overlapping chatter]" "Oh." "Sowelcometo numberfive!" "Itwillbe anew show," ""Five."" "[Laughter]" "It'sgood,becauseyou 're like, I mean, I made it far, but" "Yes,yes!" "All:" "Oh." "Allright,guys,thankyou so much." "Well, that's all we have time for tonight." "I want to thank Nick so much for coming in." "Oh,ofcourse." "Andallyouguys,fabulously styled out designers, you look amazing, and thank you so much again, for joining us." "And we will be back next week." "Cheerio." "[Laughter]" "== sync, corrected by elderman =="