"(GARY RUSSELL) Here we are, back again." "This is episode four, and I have with me Richard Martin, Carole Ann Ford," "William Russell and Verity Lambert." "So, there goes the bomb!" "(VERITY) We're waiting to see if it goes off, but I don't think it will!" "(GARY) We could tell you like this prop, Richard (!" ")" "(RICHARD) It's a bit of fine polystyrene." "Some of the best!" "We had to find something that would melt with something fairly innocuous that was poured on it, which is what happens, I seem to remember." "(GARY) That wasn't William Hartnell." "That was Edmund Warwick, because this was the episode that William was off, having hurt himself, and so Peter Fraser here gets a lot of William Hartnell's lines in this episode." "(VERITY) When I was watching it the other day," "I thought, "Gosh, there's not very much of Bill in this."" "I had forgotten that he'd had that accident." "(CAROLE) Why am I stuck behind that thing?" "(GARY) Did that cause problems, losing your lead actor for a week?" "(VERITY) I'm sure it did." "We would have had to rewrite the script and rehearse it, and Richard would have had to ensure that we never saw the Doctor's face, which would have added to all the other things that had to happen!" "(CAROLE) What was that being poured on it?" "(VERITY) Orangeade, probably!" "(LAUGHTER)" "(RICHARD) It's something like turps or something that melts polystyrene." "I can't remember what now." "I'll have to experiment in my garage!" "(GARY) It's acetone." "(CAROLE) Nail polish remover!" "(VERITY) They don't put acetone in it any more, do they?" "Well, they say they don't." "Oh, dear." "(GARY) Susan's starting to get cosy with her husband of the future." "(CAROLE) A bit touchy-feely there!" "(VERITY) It was very believable, this relationship." "I really liked it." "(GARY) Did you have any opinions as to how you wanted Susan to leave, or were you happy to let everyone just...?" "(CAROLE) I was happy to let the people who knew their stuff sort it out." "(RICHARD) You really give it the gun." "(GARY) And the dust cart." "(VERITY) I love the pumping up the tyre!" "(CAROLE) Where would they have got the petrol from?" "(VERITY) It probably had petrol in the tank." "(CAROLE) Right, then (!" ")" "(GARY) You're thinking too logically!" "(CAROLE) Sorry." "Bad girl!" "(VERITY) There you are." " Most of the things are operational." " (CAROLE) I stand corrected!" "(VERITY) You need a line, Terry, to say everything is operational." "(GARY) What are your memories, Verity, of Terry Nation?" "(VERITY) I thought he was great." "He was very amenable, at least in those early days he was." "I thought he was a terribly good storyteller." "The first Dalek serial had a good story and I think this has a good story." "(WILLIAM) That's his strength." "(VERITY) He was a good storyteller." "That was absolutely his strength." "(WILLIAM) He told me a wonderful story." "I asked why he'd moved to Kent, and he said, "I've found this great big house." ""I've got to get it and an enormous mortgage, and then I'll work!"" "(VERITY) This is one of my favourite shots." "Sorry to interrupt." "I just think it's wonderful." "(RICHARD) That was when you could get extras to do some work!" "(VERITY) It's great!" "It just looks like "The Grapes of Wrath" to me." "This whole sequence just has a wonderful... (RICHARD) It was there." "We couldn't afford to have bought it." "(VERITY) It has an epic quality which I really like." "(RICHARD) And again, Peter's shooting of it was wonderful." "(CAROLE) A touch of "Bridge on the River Kwai"." "(VERITY) It just looks incredibly expensive." "It probably was!" "(GARY) Doctor Who has a reputation for filming everything in a quarry, and this is the first example of Doctor Who ever filming in a quarry!" "(VERITY) And it was a very good quarry, too!" "(GARY) Was this location somewhere you knew?" "(RICHARD) No, it wasn't." "I remember going out and looking at it, and then taking Peter Draper there, and him standing half an inch from the edge of the cliff!" "I said, "You're pushing your luck", and he said, "Either the bus has your number on it or it hasn't."" "He was a very brave man." "He was a pilot and he was fearless." "He'd go anywhere and do anything." "(VERITY) Did we shoot all this?" "(RICHARD) No, this is stock film." "After the high shot of the quarry itself, it's stock." "(VERITY) That's what I thought." "It looks good." "That's an advantage of black and white, too." "(WILLIAM) It looks wonderful." "(GARY) You were telling us the story about Terry Nation and his house." "(VERITY) Sorry I interrupted you." "(WILLIAM) Terry said, "I get in a mess because I can't pay the mortgage," ""then I sit down and write a script!"" "(CAROLE) He threw good parties." "Did you go to his parties?" "Do you remember that swimming pool that was full of gunge?" "He was so excited. "I've got a swimming pool!"" "We went there and it was empty, except it was full of rubbish!" "(VERITY) I do remember that." "(CAROLE) Beautiful house." "(RICHARD) They definitely should have had tubes up their noses!" "(CAROLE) Poor things!" "Why subject them to that?" "(GARY) This is Nicholas Smith's first ever television work." "(VERITY) Was it his first job?" "(GARY) It was his first speaking job." "Had you worked with him in the theatre before, Richard?" "I think I had." "I discovered him and I can't quite remember entirely how." " I used him a lot after this, too." " (VERITY) I seem to remember that, initially, he was rather snobby about Doctor Who." "I think he'd come from the theatre and thought, "What am I doing here?"" "But he was very, very good in it." "Very real." "(CAROLE) A very distinctive face." "(RICHARD) Amazing ears." "(LAUGHTER)" "(VERITY) That was thinking on your feet!" "That confused him!" "(CAROLE) A wonderful expression in his eyes, this guy." "(RICHARD) I can't remember who this is." "(VERITY) He's very good." "(CAROLE) A complete blank-out." "(VERITY) He's got the orders." "(RICHARD) Well done, Bill." "(VERITY) We were a bit delicate with the sound effects." "It must have been the influence of the cabbage!" "(RICHARD) Also with gunfire or with bangs, somebody turned it down in case it interfered with the picture." "(VERITY) In case it went over the whatever it was." "That's why I said the only thing I would love to see is the sound enhanced." "(WILLIAM) Yes, some really big bangs and clunks." "(VERITY) It was all to do with decibels. "You can't do that!"" "(RICHARD) If it goes over a certain thing, you get sound on vision." "You still do but it's a damn sight better than it was." "We turned gunfire into a wet paper bag!" "A pop gun - awful!" " (VERITY) "Borough of Faling" (!" ") - (LAUGHTER)" "(RICHARD) I'd forgotten that." "(VERITY) Why couldn't we say "Borough of Ealing"?" "We called everything else by its real name." "I don't understand that." "I love Jackie's hair." "It's real sixties big hair!" "I like the way it looks absolutely immaculate despite the fact she's been through hell and back!" "(RICHARD) Five centuries of moving." "(GARY) That was a lovely speech there." "It summed up the ethos of the characterisation in Doctor Who." "(VERITY) It was very good and I shouldn't have been talking over it." "(RICHARD) She actually started it after three goes at the button." "(VERITY) This is the shot." "(RICHARD) Poor Alan had to hold his elbow still for a long time." "(GARY) Ann Davies has put her balaclava on." "(VERITY) To hide the fact that her hair's now dark." " There we are, she gets in." " (GARY) That's a terrific shot." "(VERITY) That's good." "(WILLIAM) This is you and Peter." "(RICHARD) Back with the love interest." "Holding hands." "Naughty stuff!" "(GARY) Do we come across an alligator?" "(VERITY) Yes." "(CAROLE) I don't remember that." "(GARY) Did you actually have an alligator in the studio?" "(CAROLE) You wouldn't have had me in the studio!" "(VERITY) It looked to me a bit like stock." " We had a monkey in the studio." " (CAROLE) Yes, he bit Tutte Lemkow!" " (VERITY) He did a lot else." " He pooed all over!" "(VERITY) And the smell in the studio was absolutely foul." "It's on one of Waris's." "It's on the one they've lost, "Marco Polo"." "(RICHARD) There's nothing of it left?" "(VERITY) They can't find it anywhere." "(CAROLE) Do you remember I found a lizard on set, among all the foliage in the first one we did?" "I took it back to my dressing room and I kept it in my garden for a long time." " (VERITY) A big lizard, was it?" " It was about a foot and a half." "It was all dried up under the camera lights." "I put it in my wash basin." " (VERITY) And it was all right?" " Yes, it recovered very well." "(VERITY) So this is just the camera wobbling." "(RICHARD) Wobbly camera work, yes." "(GARY) She's moving very well." "It really feels like that whole truck is actually moving." "I love these little bits of Dalek lettering being slapped around." "(VERITY) I love this." "(GARY) Another iconic Doctor Who moment." "(VERITY) Yes!" "(CAROLE) Brilliant!" "(LAUGHTER)" "(RICHARD AS DALEK) "I am broken!"" "(CAROLE) "Nobody touches me!"" "(GARY) Presumably, all these patterns on the screen would have been Mervyn's influence." "(RICHARD) Yes, you've got exactly that, the in-fed camera thing." "He made a series of loops and put them on film and you could use them... (VERITY) Any time you wanted to." "They're good, actually." "When we did the titles, because you couldn't control what you'd got, we went into a studio and recorded absolutely everything in order to get those titles." "So we had hours and hours of the stuff." "(CAROLE) Déjà-vu there!" "(VERITY) That's good." "That worked well, didn't it?" "Here we are." "(GARY) Is it difficult to remember things from then?" "(RICHARD) Some things come back to you." "(CAROLE) I think you just have to let it happen and suddenly" " DOINGG!" "(VERITY) It's quite interesting that in this episode you notice Bill by his absence." "(CAROLE) Yes." "The little pixie hat was really funny!" "(RICHARD) I hate it." "Ann was a hero to have worn it!" "(VERITY) It was actually gnome-like, wasn't it?" "(RICHARD) It's the bit on top that's really awful." "(VERITY) It looks like she's got a pointed head." "(CAROLE) It evidently isn't bitterly cold, so why is she wearing it?" "(RICHARD) She's wearing it to cover her hair." " (CAROLE) Why in the story?" " We had no reason." "(CAROLE) You don't see her put it on." "(VERITY) The problem of having to write Bill out and make some reason for her wearing that was probably too much!" "(GARY) Hiding just behind there is the Slyther." "(CAROLE) There's a creature thing!" "(VERITY) The Slyther's noises are rather good, actually." " Who did those?" " (RICHARD) I can't remember." "(CAROLE) Another gun." "(RICHARD) Paddy O'Connell being brilliant." "(VERITY) Wonderful." "(LAUGHTER)" "(GARY) Had you worked with Patrick before?" "(RICHARD) Yeah." "(CAROLE) He did a television series after this." "Was it "The Brothers"?" "(RICHARD) He was one of the brothers." "Then he ran off to Paris and became a painter and doesn't work any more." "(VERITY) So he is a painter now?" "(RICHARD) He's a good painter, yes." "(VERITY) Does he live in England?" "(RICHARD) Yeah, he lives in Dorset." "His wife's a casting director for Thames." "(VERITY) Still?" "No." "(CAROLE) Gives up acting and marries a casting director!" "Seems a bit daft!" "(VERITY) A good actor." "(CAROLE) They're going to eat toasted Slyther!" "(GARY) You look really lovely and immaculate, William." "Everyone else looks dishevelled and you've got this heroic look about you of "Even my suit is untouched!"" "(VERITY) How did you stay so immaculate?" "(RICHARD) We should have dirtied you up." "That shantung suit looks awful." "(CAROLE) Top of the ten best-dressed men list!" "(VERITY) The hair looks immaculate." "(WILLIAM) Like Jackie's!" "It never moved!" "(CAROLE) They sprayed you with hairspray to keep it like that!" "(GARY) It does make you the focus of the scene you're in, because you have that star thing." "Everyone else looks dishevelled and you look heroic." "(VERITY) I think we're going to see the alligator in this." "(VERITY) Don't get on it!" "(CAROLE LAUGHS)" "(VERITY) I don't think he's down there!" "(CAROLE) I was just going to say, I think that ladder came down on me!" " (GARY) Do you remember doing that?" " Yes, I do." "I remember being a bit worried about that ladder." "(WILLIAM) There's the alligator!" "(CAROLE) A stripy one!" " A mutated alligator." " (RICHARD) It was a very small one." "(VERITY) He does look quite small and rather fat." "(ALL) Aw!" "(CAROLE) Ooh, my fingers!" ""Swinging"?" "Very sixties!" "Swinging (!" ")" "(GARY) I like your stripy top." "That's very swinging as well." "I liked my stripy top." "It was a Mary Quant top, and I had lovely stripy leggings to go with it, but a certain lady who's not sitting very far from me wouldn't let me wear them!" "(VERITY) I thought the whole lot might make her look like a wasp." "Stripy trousers and a striped top might have just been too much." "(CAROLE) They were lovely!" "(VERITY) I'm sure they were, but not together." "The top's quite nice." "I think they sort of strobed together." "(CAROLE) They did." "I thought maybe that was why." "(VERITY) Came in the window!" "How did he get in there?" "(WILLIAM) "The Waking Ally"!" "(CAROLE) Doctor Who's quite hot on claws and hands." "(GARY) It's a great way to end an episode." "It's just coming to get you." "(VERITY) The Slyther was perhaps not one of our most potent finds (!" ")" "(RICHARD) Quite awful!" "You could see the zip-up which we'd got him into." "(CAROLE) He looks a bit moth-eaten." "(RICHARD) Moth-eaten Slythers!"