"How many times did you test Lance during his career?" "You tested Lance 50 times and never caught him?" "How did you personally feel every year?" "Did you believe that it was just Lance?" "Well, in certain senses, I like the idea." "It depends on what you consider to be dangerous... testing yourself on these drugs." "But I was curious, you know, how you were going to do it." "I might be willing to help and advise and... avoid positives." "Are you gonna take drugs?" "You're going to need a laboratory to test your body fluids." "WADA is the World Anti-Doping Agency." "This could damage my reputation that I've worked on for years..." "My involvement..." "it's just not gonna work." "The director of the Olympic lab in Moscow, Grigory Rodchenkov." "He's a great old friend." "Tell something." "Oh!" "Great." "It's a secret window." "Now it's clean." "Yes, you, too." "Go ahead." "What is your ultimate purpose?" "You would like to beat doping test?" "You would like to start your hormonal program?" "Then give sample... and prove negative." "You need a very serious adviser because there are a lot of traps." "My dog is playing." "I just came back, and he's very much excited." "And he has a special toy..." "Is it male?" "Female?" "Castrated?" "So with balls?" "Max." "Testosterone, you have to have a prescription." "Injectable, right." "So, now you are clever, huh?" "Like Lance Armstrong." "Send it to me." "Names, doses, for how long..." "So everything should be orchestrated." "Yes, your one-month schedule." "Vrangel." "Did you start your program?" "Yes, testosterone propionate." "Okay, let me think." "So, you've already did it for two weeks?" "He's fucking me." "Just pee and collect your urine today." "And drop into the freezer." "In the freezer." "Are you now training?" "And you feel a little bit stronger?" "That's good." "Forty milligrams each other day is a very good protocol." "Yes." "You have just common fears, and it's paranoia." "We are imitating..." "We are reproducing Lance Armstrong's scenario." "Don't disturb your thigh at all." "Stop it." "You can inject into your thigh muscle, but better to the ass." "Much more!" "Have you seen movie with me?" "Separate movie." "About me." "All athletes in Russia are doping." "The athletes that are under Mr. Rodchenkov, they don't get positive tests." "The laboratory was internationally recognized for its research." "Its head scientist is considered an outstanding scientist." "Grigory Rodchenkov." "Dr. Rodchenkov is informed about everything." "He knows how long the drugs need to disappear from the body." "He is aware and instructs." "He's the most important specialist." "The ARD documentary regarding the Russian whistle-blowers..." "What did you think, hearing these allegations?" "No, no, no." "It's growing." "It's like a tornado coming." "Okay, so you are receiving how many units?" "For Bryan, two weeks will be nice." "It's the only way." "But again, I am under heavy control." "WADA now, they have an inquiry about me." "So you see, like, me..." "I'm a very dangerous person." "Maybe, hopefully..." "I would like to do this, to come to, maybe, LA, and to smuggle something to Russia." "Some urines from you." "No, no, no." "It's strictly prohibited." "You are so skinny!" "You're skinny." "Yes, we unfreeze, then we homogenize to make sure everything is melted." "I took special bottles for smuggling urine, and... we will make a scenario like I am collecting my urine." ""Grigory one, morning."" ""Evening, 28th." "Grigory two."" "Then we recode them." "Otherwise, what is the source of the urine and why?" "He loves me." "No, no, don't kick Max." "It's okay." "It's not good time." "Later." "We need girls, cheerleaders." "I was working here in 1989, when Catlin was in big power." "Laboratory was located in UCLA." "The campus." "I was almost a professional in running." "1,500 meters and five kilometers at Moscow University." "My mother always pushed me to swim, to ski." "I realized that some people are using something." "Last year, he was nobody." "Next year, he has muscles." "Of course, I also started to use the best of the best, stanozolol." "And all injections were done by my mother." "And, of course, it was 50 milligrams, this simple thing." "Yes, of course." "But if you are not national team level, like Olympic, you cannot afford any more training camp." "So, I graduated to Moscow University, to the chemical department." "I liked doping control." "I liked sports." "And since 1985, I worked in the top field of laboratories in the world." "And then, Moscow laboratory was doing mistake by mistake." ""We need a new director, and it will be upheld by WADA."" "That's how I became director." "Let's look at your protocol." "I have to sketch all schematics, starting from the new year." "With the piss and then with the tubes." "We take just a fraction." "And then it will be coded and took for analysis." "Seven, eight, nine." "We have nine urines." "It's okay." "Three, three, three." "I am Mafia." "This is Mafia." "Chased by WADA." "Could you imagine, the best laboratory will be puzzled with your piss?" "In Russia, the empire of evil." "Propaganda." "It's flakes." "Your flakes." "Your sins." "Okay, next time." "Next time, if I survive." "At my lab, WADA is keeping laboratory on a very short leash." "Asking many questions." "All sorts of bullshit." "Like, "Where is your... underground laboratory for pre-testing?" "Where is the shadow laboratory?"" "Of course, my laboratory is fully under... cameras and everything, computers, bar codes..." "But they were looking for something." "The state." "Yes." "Okay, we have Terminal One, departing flight." "I am a woman in love" "Keep it." "It's my donation." "I have a lot, you see." "All people are presenting me with pens, so I have full collection." "Remember me." "Be very careful with what you are recording." "It's not permitted." "It's like pornography and erotics." "Sports pornography and erotics." "Yes, definitely." "But this is big secret." "Bryan, I have all urines." "We analyzed urines for your steroid profile." "Everything is kept frozen." "I have a full agenda, so don't worry." "We did preliminary tests, but not much." "When WADA will leave..." "They are leaving tomorrow night." "Then maybe Friday, or maybe Monday, anyway" "It's much more challenging." "WADA is sniffing and asking tons of questions." "You know, Dick Pound?" "He's starting to understand it's very difficult to prove something." "We will see." "You just focus on racing." "Yes, yes, finally you have some gains." "Some gain, some progression." "Bryan, it will be fantastic." "No, no, no, no." "You complete everything until 17th." "The last injection is on US soil." "Before you're passing the border and the customs." "Then you're taking urine with you to me, and we'll complete your biological passport." "That's it." "Don't worry." "So, be clever." "You are like a pioneer." "You are a victim of your ideas." "See you at the end." "And good luck tomorrow." "I am now like a priest." "I am healing your doping paranoia." "You are free." "You have enough power, and God is with you." "You are sentenced to win." "You were three and a half minutes behind Pouly." "That's not bad." "No, that's fucking great." "Very good." "Very good." "You are a monster." "Medium-sized monster." "Your bike?" "So you cannot shift your gears?" "My goodness." "My God." "Just stay optimistic." "Because now, we can change nothing." "Bryan, look at me." "Stop it." "You are what you are." "I am what I am." "It's a turning point, what we are doing." "You should be happy that we have such fantastic material." "We have ten times more information than Dick Pound and Lance Armstrong together." "We will continue." "Don't worry." "You are just like in the reception." "You did not enter the first floor." "Then there is a second, and so on." "When you come to Moscow, you will see." "It's more than enough." "Yes." "You see, this is bloody RUSADA." "Bringing samples, it's not too good to show our camera to them." "Yes, yes, yes." "Be very careful with all your material." "People are very sensitive also, you know." "This is my director place." "It's the most famous laboratory in the world." "We cannot say explicitly that you have been analyzed." "It's coming." "I already solved everything yesterday." "You will have it until, let's say..." "Within two weeks, we will do this." "But it should be done still, say, under the table, not..." "Bryan, smile." "Your race is over." "We have to go downstairs." "Each director of laboratory, like me..." "I have to sign a code of ethics, that what we are doing is not harmful or detrimental to the whole anti-doping society." "We go down this emergency exit." "Let's talk in my office." "If you hide fight against doping, you cannot be 50% honest." "You have to be honest, or you have to hide the ends." "It's the same as Orwell, 1984." "WADA is like a religion, and you cannot escape." "You have to think about money, but you cannot steal money." "You have to think about women, but you have to be married and don't go to prostitution." "But again... almost everybody has some period when they were sinners." "So what to do?" "There is no answer." "Yes, yes, we have a good database." "Bryan, be optimistic." "Smile." "I have vodka for you." "Yes." "The best vodka." "From Mordovia." "You would like to stay in Russia?" "Russia is the most relaxing country in the world." "No." "You having fun?" "Yes, we have fun!" "Bryan!" "Bryan, hi." "Hi." "I've been crying." "Yes, I am with him, and I think maybe you want to speak with him." "Maybe he's a little bit nervous." "I'm absolutely saying that we will overturn all this bullshit and it will be upside down." "So, Bryan, I hardly could talk to you tonight." "We are preparing our response to again provide any explanation needed." "That's all I can say at this point." "There are around 50 correspondents behind my fence, but I am here." "And I am not supposed to talk." "Bryan, stay quiet." "You're a lucky man." "Only you, knowing me." "Grisha, be careful what you tell him now." "Don't tell me." "I am just" "They're holding on the phone for you." "Tell them I'll call them back in" "It sounds serious." "I'll call them back in five minutes!" "Okay, but will you?" "Yes, go away!" "Fine." "Bryan..." "It's a disaster." "They're just killing people." "Cutting heads, you know, without who is guilty." "Yesterday, you know, I went to Minister Mutko and we started to discuss." "He was talking, blah, blah, blah, about football." "Blah, blah, blah, about Formula 1." "Then to say what to do with bloody doping." "But he say, "Could you resign?" I go, "Yes."" ""Today?" "Yes, today."" "And I resigned." "And... they lost director." "I have a lot of calls, but I'm just changing my telephones." "People are looking for their job, but laboratory is almost empty." "Really?" "Really?" "In jail?" "No." "What is the reason for jail?" "No." "Yes, but not jail." "It could be some..." "I don't know." "Do you know that I am now moving with a security man?" "Just a security guard in my home." "He's coming to my car." "I'm following behind." "It's recommended until the end of the week, because I am the only man who can kill both sides." "Russia and WADA, so..." "Stay quiet." "Let me say this." "In reality, the Independent Commission's report... and statements made by Mr. Pound are exaggerated." "We've even built a modern, state-of-the-art anti-doping laboratory that is renowned for its testing for the Olympics, Paralympics, championships and more, and received the highest merits for its contributions." "The government is merely financing the laboratory operation." "They don't accept this Independent Commission at all." "They're deliberately lying." "Bryan, Bryan... look at me." "It means I could be tossed to the bus anytime." "I'm not sure that we are connecting freely." "Because now we are on radar, that's for sure." "You know Snowden?" "Now you see." "We still don't know..." "We still don't know whether Russia is participating in Olympic Games or not." "The outcome, why I am very much cautious about my life..." "If me will be purged... okay, Russia will go to the Olympics." "The problem is to survive." "Stop it." "Stop, stop." "Yes, yes." "Tomorrow, I drop you." "And then, when I say..." ""How is weather in Los Angeles?" or anything related to weather... it means that we will talk in 15, 20 minutes." "Be ready to talk." "Regarding the recent events connected to our track and field team," "I urge the sports minister and all my sports colleagues to make this their number one priority." "This is the first step." "Secondly, it is vital to conduct our own internal investigation." "Sport should be fair." "Responsibility should be personalized and absolute." "Bryan..." "I need..." "Wait, look at me." "I need to escape and to walk... to walk..." "You can go wherever you want." "I will be doggy-sitting at your home." "Yes." "Simply." "It's very suspicious when you have one-way ticket." "They're watching us now." "Bryan?" "What I am doing, myself, I can do nothing." "Okay?" "Okay." "Yes, right now." "Go." "Also, some security measures will be set." "I don't know." "Okay?" "Okay." "Bryan?" "Yeah, I'm right here." "Okay, just left my security man." "Okay." "I am very much dizzy, paranoid." "We'll get you here." "My wife and my children decided maybe it's better to stay in Russia." "Just gotta make sure, in the US, that you're okay also." "My daughter..." "Yes?" "She's getting married." "Right." "Married, everything." "It's time." "Okay." "Cross fingers now." "You, too." "Remember Orwell." ""We will meet each other where there is no darkness."" "When I first interviewed you a year ago," "I asked you if you thought your investigation would be a defining moment in the history of sport." "How would you answer that question now?" "This is..." "Yes." "Escaped alive." "Destroyed my computer from my working place." "I took hard disk." "And also, I have three copies." "It's a historical moment." "Grigory, I want you to know that I understand your desire to be visible... and I think that's very important for you, to be safe." "I was on the phone yesterday with the lawyer for Edward Snowden." "They have some recommendations." "I have everything with me, and also I destroyed my office computer." "Put it in a very safe place and dropped there like a dummy." "We'll talk in a few hours." "It's like a labyrinth." "Secure place." "It's a good thing." "He goes to me." "He remembers me since May." "You will be learning Russian." "You will be learning Russian very soon." "I'm missing dogs." "So I am at home." "So, if the KGB..." "I guess they're called the FSB now... they're in the lab, who else could finance them but Vitaly Mutko?" "But Putin?" "Honey, hi." "I am here, far away and in the darkness." "You see them all?" "Wearing fancy suits, ties, making speeches on TV..." "It's all a farce." "Of course I was very disappointed when laboratory was closed." "Now reading this IC report, I am just watching with another's eyes." "I know that I could change the past, telling the truth." "But would you like telling the truth, you will be annihilated." "George Orwell, I was reading the first in 1989." "I was 30." "Before that time, in Soviet Union, the book 1984, it was strictly, strictly prohibited." "For me, it was totally shocking." "Especially "ignorance is strength."" "This is the most powerful thing." "It was my weapon." "It gave me definitions, it gave me coordinates how you can apply to your life." "It's like a road map." ""'There are three stages in your reintegration,' said O'Brien." "'There is learning, there is understanding, and there is acceptance." "It's time for you to enter upon the first stage.'"" "Yes." "Of course." "Yes." "Thirty." "Oh, even more." "Fifty percent for sure." "Let it be fifty percent." "They were earned using special program." "State-sponsored, of course." "Yes." "Aware of my name." "He took me from the prison for such special affair." "Yes." "To redeem." "Of course." "Oh, it's not easy to say how it happened." "Before 2008, China was the biggest producer of anabolics." "It was produced in a pharmaceutical, well-equipped, good manufacturing practice." "No contamination, high qualities." "And all these anabolics are coming to Europe, to the United States." "It's the same like in Russia." "Of course, at that time in Russia, as the head of laboratory," "I was a part of system." "There are three or four top-level witch doctors, like Portugalov." "Portugalov was the famous anabolic coach of Russian national team." "It was Soviet time." "He was before me." "Portugalov is conveyor of athletes." "He has his own protocols, and he really had great success." "And then they became Olympic champions." "The problem began in 2008." "Jacques Rogge, the president of the Olympics, told government of China," ""You are Olympic country, but you are producing anabolics in bulk." "You cannot do like this anymore." "Stop it."" "They stop it." "Officially." "But who is supplying steroids to national team?" "Before, there was not any concern." "You buy stanozolol, it's stanozolol." "But Portugalov was so confident, offering and providing things which were not proven or tested." "They have impurities which could be detectable." ""Oh," Portugalov say. "What to do?" "I spent so much money for this." "Maybe you could advise to do?"" "What advice?" "Drop it to the trash." "Now, in Moscow laboratory, we had the best sensitivity and detection limits." "I'm very proud that I created the test for long term metabolites, which caused the detection window to enlarge from two or three weeks to six months." "That's why Portugalov suddenly had so many positives." "All people on the national team, they came to ask where to get these steroids." "I knew one source." "Suddenly, I was coordinating the whole steroid program." "Yes, but what I was doing," "I was saving national team from purchasing dirty steroids." "Eventually, I don't know whether it was by purpose," "I fight with Portugalov." "Then I became enemy." "Criminal narcotic police came to my home, they took my computer, and they said, "Then we arrest you on Monday."" "I was in such depression and my will was paralyzed." "And I decided to escape, I don't know how." "I took some knife from... very, very sharp..." "from my wife's kitchen." "I drank whiskey, I sit to the bath." "It goes so smooth." "Then, in the water, I see how blood is doing like this." "It wasn't very strong, the lock." "My wife opened door." "My heart was seared." "It was very good surgeon." "And since I was considered to be suicide..." "ABYSS ...I was sent to a psychiatric clinic." "After seeing that I am depressed, they started to give me such crazy drugs." "I was totally out of reality." "And then again, something happened." "The criminal police, they sentence me to another psychiatric clinic... which is for those who are sadist, who are totally worst-of-the-worst criminals." "They respected me very much." "I was called "professor."" "But I get better, better, better." "The most funny thing, they allowed me to use computer, so I was working in psychiatric clinic like a head of laboratory director, advising the whole Russian national team." "That time," "I received, from Olympic Committee, an invitation to London, 2012 Olympic Games, being the director." "Russian ministry was little bit uncertain that I'm criminal in full." "But WADA said," ""If not Rodchenkov, we don't see in Russia any other candidate than him." "If you don't send him to London, we send to London another director."" "You can imagine how important information from London laboratory is for national team." "I had information, what testing this London laboratory is doing, to understand where we are and how much is danger." "Without this, all Russian doping situation will be collapsed." "Thanks to God, Mutko understood this." "I received a call from the Moscow investigators." ""Grigory... your case is dropped."" "Putin." "Of course." "It's my redemption." "Success in Sochi instead of being in prison." "We are two workers, Kamaev and Rodchenkov, with a mission in mind..." "This is not a mission." "This is a revolution." "This is an anti-WADA strategy." "Of course!" "Of course!" "No, no, no." "I have to see." "Of course." "Bryan?" "I'm here." "You know, my friend?" "My friend... died." "I show you." "It means, "Grigory, Nikita died."" "He's my friend since school time, and he never complained about his heart or any health problem, and..." "He had a young wife." "They dreamed about children." "I was talking to him day before." "Still, I cannot understand." "It cannot be like this." "He wrote book." "It's dangerous to write book in Russia." "Of course, of course." "Bryan, we are playing the most danger game in the history of sport." "WADA, ready to pay everything for me and for you to disappear." "Because we destroy not only their future, we destroy their past." "There is very bad man still not mentioned." "Deputy Minister Mutko." "He could kill everybody." "He's a KGB man." "He's very dangerous." "He has no moral at all." ""Nikita is writing book?" "Fifty-two." "Oh, he's tired." "He's desperate." "Please, prepare obituary for the next week."" "Can you imagine?" "I can imagine easily." "We should be very much careful." "Yuri Nagornykh, vice minister." "He was practically involved in everyday routine." "Yes." "Yes." "To Putin, yes." "You know, there is no rest if you are paranoid." "It was around 12:30, one o'clock at night?" "Or 2:00..." "I don't know." "They were just hanging around, so..." "Somebody in the courtyard?" "Yes." "Two strong men knocked my door and appeared from darkness." "They asked me to let them in, and they came here." "And we were talking about sport, about many relevant or auxiliary things." "They knew about death of Nikita Kamaev." "About, first of all, my boss, Minister Mutko." "It was inspection and... exhausts my nerves..." "They finally gave me subpoena." "United States district court." "You see, it's for me." ""To Grigory Rodchenkov."" "But why did they come to him to begin with?" "They want him for something else that they're doing." "They didn't come to him for himself." "Obviously, they're trying to make a case, and they found out he was in LA." "So why was he able to survive?" "What sort of, uh... crime... like, example, I could be done against or under US legislature?" "The United States Justice Department loves to charge broad conspiracies." "That's their favorite charging instrument." "That you conspired with Mutko and others to" "What is the conspiracy?" "It was conspiracy since 1980." "Let's reconsider Moscow Olympic Games, and then reconsider situation in United States in 1984." "How Catlin was" " This is..." "That's right." "They're looking for him to plea to what's called a cooperation agreement." "What happens is, he cooperates, and at the end of the day, the judge generally wouldn't incarcerate him, most likely." "If we turn down, they could indict him." "The most important thing is he is not sent back to Russia, where he would certainly be assassinated." "Prior to the Olympics." "And what you're saying is that if he's established as a cooperating witness, he may not be able to do that." "That's right." "That's right." "Which is a downside." "But once Grigory's public, I think he's in much less danger." "If the Russians do anything to hurt him, it makes them look guilty." "Except they'll say he had a heart attack, like they did..." "Grigory, look at me." "Is it in your best interest to break the story?" "You mean to disclose?" "We have to disclose." "Yes, this is most important." "It's authentic document." "It was in Sochi on my table." "And if you go behind this list, there is creation date." "Of course, of course." "Not recognizable at all." "Psychological, looking in mirror, it's not me." "Tomorrow?" "Tomorrow." "I need..." "I need... intravenous injections to relax." "Tomorrow?" "I told them late this afternoon, and they reacted like I expected they would." "They're upset." "They wanted to know, did he provide any documents to them?" "Yeah, unfortunately, they're gonna terminate the whole..." "Now that he turned over documents, they're gonna cancel." "And they're just gonna prosecute him." "There is a top-level decision." "You know who I mean." "Big Boss, Vladimir Putin, saying," ""We have to show the best result in Sochi." "We must show the others who we are."" "We could make team clean before Sochi." "One month." "But it was decided to use PEDs during Sochi." "Yes." "The most important "yes." Forget about this." "Ladies and gentlemen, let me declare the 126th session of the International Olympic Committee open." "Thank you." "Opening ceremony was the most heartbreaking day... in sports history." "Hi, Bryan." "The story just broke." "What do you mean?" "Is it published or not?" "Yes, published." "The story is published!" "This is the photo of bottles." "Those bottles were given from Nikita Kamaev." ""Grigory Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory that handled testing for thousands of Olympians, said he developed a three-drug cocktail of banned substances that he mixed with liquor and provided to dozens of Russian athletes, helping to facilitate one of the most elaborate" "and successful doping ploys in sport history."" "Always." "From Nagornykh, in preparation to Sochi, it was strict order to develop procedure how we can have new bottles, new caps or open cap." "And this FSB officer, he was responsible for the day when I gave closed Bereg-Kit, and after half an hour, I receive it opened." "And the... cap and the bottle are the same." "And I can... a little bit rinse and then pour and close." "Like Bereg-Kit." "It's unbelievable how they could do this." "This was named Operation Sochi Resultat." "In Russian, "resultat" means "to achieve positive results."" "I need clean urines for each candidate." "Yes." "Yes." "But in Sochi, because of the Olympics, I am under double control." "Both from IOC, WADA and I don't know who." "Level of security is stunning." "It's unbelievable." "In Sochi, laboratory was like this." "It was our entrance, but from this behind, where we have a fire exit, there is another building." "It was a KGB building." "And bank of clean urines were kept here." "Hundred." "Throughout the day, our KGB officer brought the clean urines of all our athletes selected for testing to our secret operational room in the laboratory." "Meanwhile, all the urines collected from the athletes during the day were transported to the Olympic village and held until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m." "Then I received a call." ""Grigory, I will be delivering the samples in 15 minutes."" "Before samples arrived, it gave me time to make sure that there were no WADA or IOC observers left snooping around the laboratory." "Once samples were checked in, the operation entered the most dangerous phase." "When the A and B bottles were split on to two different carts, my assistant wheeled the B bottles into a storage room and slipped the Russian athletes' B bottles into his lab coat." "This is highly illegal, but we need to replace these dirty urines." "Then he wheeled the cart with the A bottles into the aliquoting room, as per procedure." "For all A samples, yes." "To escape all the video recording, aliquoting room was like this." "And our room, we had the hole in it." "So we take this little bit..." "How you say this thing?" "Like this, if you have something..." "You take this table out, and there is a..." "like a... like a power outlet blocked without any... socket." "But then you take it out." "It's not." "It's a hole." "Then you're taking both samples through this hole, and A samples, we immediately... pour away and clean." "B samples are taken by KGB and..." "In the darkness, people coming from the trash/fire exit." "Then, after two hours, they came back with B bottles opened to swap." "Because, of course, you have in advance clean urine." "So, B samples are finished with the urine swapping." "Taken by KGB and" "Because the B samples are taken by the IOC and held in long-term storage." "Yes." "Reanalysis will return negative." "Because, you know, we are top-level cheaters." "To over-cheat us, you should be much such experienced." "But how it comes, such experience?" "Because of this whole steroid program, I pulled off 13 gold medals." "It's unbelievable." "Never before." "Everything was made clean, and Putin was very much happy." "But immediately after, he started war against Ukraine." "I felt my personal guilt for such event." "Would Russia had less medals, Putin would be not such aggressive." "Bryan!" "Yeah?" "Article is incredible." "It's so very good." "I am shocked." "I'm reading twice." "You know, Russia even cannot breathe." "They still even don't respond." "Of course, there it is midnight, but" "Let me stop you." "I just spoke to our lawyer." "What happened?" "They're not returning any of his calls." "I am arrested?" "We don't know yet." "We're in a holding pattern." "I am sitting locked in my home." "I'm a little bit afraid." "Let me get this done, and I'll come by, okay?" "Putin will kill me." "So that this is clear for everyone... there has never been and there is not any doping program." "Of course, there were older questions regarding Rodchenkov's mental health in all this, as four years ago, after a failed suicide attempt, he was placed into a mental institution, the diagnosis described as the first stages of schizophrenia." "What to do with my wife and children?" "What they will know?" "Or I just disappear for them?" "They'll go crazy." "Bryan, this is David and Olivier." "We want this meeting to go ahead." "Can you call us back?" "I'm not ready to answer." "We need something lucky, like it's Alice in Wonderland, to rabbit's hole, to sit here." "To wait until it ends." "But lawyer is trustful?" "The big one?" "We are digging deeper into his identity." "We've obtained some of his exclusive documents." "Grigory Rodchenkov and American movie director Bryan Fogel, they talked many times via email and wrote..." "The FBI are following him closely," "Grigory Rodchenkov himself mentioned to his sister in a recent Skype call." "Grish, you just sit tight." "Don't be too impulsive." "No, of course I will not do anything..." "Of course." "Absolutely." "...without the protection of the FBI." "We haven't communicated in a long time." "We found Marina Rodchenkov in Moscow." "I refuse to make any comments on this." "I'm very sorry." "I'm sure you have very intelligent people who can explain all this." "I already spoke to the children." "They're fine." "Grisha, now it's another problem." "I'm worried about you." "I'll take care of this." "Just hold on." "This is what I'm worried about." "They're turning us into the monster now." "Or trying to." "It's okay." "We'll get through this." "What do you want to come of all this?" ""To the future or to the past, to a time when thought is free... when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone."" "No, no, this we saw, but we want to ask question as well as how it was done, understanding" "Let me make sure I understand." "They were taking the B to be opened secretly?" "You said it was removed after the Paralympic Games." "Does it mean that it happened also for the Paralympic Games?" "In terms of time-sensitive," "London is more sensitive, in the sense that these athletes are going to the next Rio Games, not the winter ones." "Across all summer sports?" "And he's sorry?" "Who's that?" "Grigory." "Do you think, as a scientist, I am happy to have been in Sochi?" "And to everything..." "We gave credibility to the lab." "Do you think that I feel good today?" "Do you think that the athletes who were cheated feel good?" "You speak of them as being orders." "Are they actually orders?" "Nagornykh is ordering Grigory?" "Or ordering the lab?" "Does it matter?" "Then if they are concerned about it, they find the right profile in the bank, and pick that one out of the bank, and they run the analysis on that one?" "I see." "If this all can be proved, it's quite mind-blowing." "The sooner I have it, the better." "It's important to a lot of people around the world." "We do it now?" "This is truly important to us, because..." "Today, our track and field team finds itself in a dire situation." "We have been banned from the Olympics very aggressively, without any evidence or proof." "Grigory Rodchenkov, who is the director of the Moscow WADA lab, was forced to resign from his position even though, when you think about it, he was a brilliant doctor." "So he's fired, and then somehow ends up in the United States, where he subsequently took his story to The New York Times." "Not exactly the smallest paper on earth." "When he gets there, he turns over all this information." "Finally, he stated that the entire doping program was in fact part of a state-run system." "Whatever he claims, he is confusing himself with the government." "You see, all of his claims against the government, he did himself." "It was a solo act." "So the swapping, the destruction of samples, this was all just a farce?" "Again, I just don't see how this is possible." "How could it be?" "Please let me repeat, these allegations are not facts, just rumors and speculations." "Well, what were you all doing today?" "We were worrying all day." "But today, I was paying for everything, bills, etc." "Nika, we will get through this." "Oh, you have new glasses!" "Not that new." "I have some sad news to tell you." "Yes?" "I am going into the witness protection program." "You are?" "Why?" "Because the current situation is unclear." "So, this is serious?" "Yes." "For a while?" "I was thinking of you yesterday." "Visa is just one thing, but" "You are my bride and keeper of the family and the dogs." "Grigory, I was worrying all day, and on top of that, trying to reach you." "Don't tell anyone anything." "Who would I even tell?" "I don't see much of anyone these days." "Maybe they'll pay off some officials to sit in prison for some time?" "As a formality." "I have to get going." "Veronika?" "Yes?" "You wrote down the lawyer's contact information and have everything?" "You know what I'm talking about?" "Of course I understand." "It's just... this is all so sad." "Whatever packing you need to do and getting dressed..." "I still don't know how it will be organized." ""Protection" means protection that you don't know how it's organized." "I will start writing book." "Oh, we are on the first floor." "Where is the exit?" "I wonder when I'm going to see you again." "Don't worry." "I'll be back." "Bryan, you are medium-sized monster!" "Remember me." ""Winston sank his arms to his sides and slowly refilled his lungs with air." "His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink." "To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies." "To repudiate morality while laying claim to it." "To forget whatever it was necessary to forget... then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed... and then promptly to forget it again." "And above all, to apply the same process to the process itself." "And if all others accepted the lie, then the lie passed into history and became truth."" "We've never had a doping program in Russia." "This is just impossible, unthinkable." "We would never do something like that." "I don't even recall the name of that citizen who defected, the one who ran the Russian anti-doping lab." ""Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involves the use of doublethink."" "I was doing in parallel two things which canceled out each other in being fully contradictory." "Doping and anti-doping." "It was pure, exact doublethink." "I was like a slave." "Slavery was my freedom... till the end." "So... truth."