" KENDALL:" "Her name in my phone is "Mad."" " CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." " KENDALL: 'Cause she's a little mad." " KYLIE:" "Yeah." "(laughter)" " CAITLYN:" "Road trip, baby." " CANDIS:" "Wow!" "JENNY:" "This bus trip was Caitlyn's idea." "She thought it was gonna be fun." "(cheering)" "She needs to realize that she's not gonna get a pass anymore." " CAITLYN:" "Democratic National Debate." " CHANDI:" "Right." "We're so excited that Cait's even gonna go." " CANDIS:" "I'm excited for Cait." " CHANDI:" "Right." "And sit and listen to the Democrats." " CAITLYN:" "It's the last place I want to be." " CHANDI:" "I know." "I know." "CAITLYN:" "They're all Democrats." "I'm the only conservative Republican on the bus." "We're 18 and a half trillion dollars in debt." "Our economy is going to collapse." "(Candis sighs)" "The Democrats are destroying the country." "KATE:" "Oh, dear." " CAITLYN:" "Okay?" " JENNY:" "I do not want to argue about the government from here to San... to Santa Fe." "The stakes are very high." "If she doesn't listen to the rest of the community," "I think she's gonna find herself isolated and irrelevant." "(steady wiping)" "(music playing faintly)" "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "We made it to New Mexico, the Land of Enchantment." "Whatever that means." " (Kip laughs)" " Um, yeah, m..." "And where's everybody?" "They're in the back." "After all the political talk, they went to the back and went to sleep." " KIP:" "It tuckered 'em out." " CAITLYN:" "I think I just..." "Yeah." " Put 'em right to sleep." " (Kip laughs)" "CANDIS: (sighs) It just frustrates me sometimes." "But at the end of the day, I realize that, like, we have a lot of differences." "But this trip is gonna help girls that are coming up and seeing all of us together." "And somebody, like, of your age" " can learn a lot from all of us women." " ELLA:" "Yeah." "I'm definitely at an age where I am soaking everything up." " CANDIS:" "Yeah." " ELLA:" "Definitely." "Yeah." "You know, just graduating high school, I definitely feel like" "I am getting more than an abundance of education from all the women about our issues and, um, politically as well." "CANDIS:" "Who do people tell you you look like?" "ELLA:" "Who do you think I look like?" " CANDIS:" "Natalie Portman." " ELLA:" "It's weird, 'cause my whole family, they all look like Natalie Portman." "It's... it's really strange." "You remind me of a really gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous actress." "Candis Cayne." "That's who you remind me of." " CANDIS:" "Stop it." " (Ella laughs)" " Stop." " ELLA:" "There goes Candis with her hair." "(Candis laughs)" "(Ella chuckles)" "CANDIS:" "Oh, my God, the bathroom smells so bad, but I really have to pee." "Ooh, that is so bad." "Jesus Christ!" "Oh, my God, that's awful!" " (laughter)" " Ugh!" "CHANDI:" "The bus is totally great, although the bathroom doesn't smell that great." "ELLA:" "The sewage isn't really working that well, so it smells like a..." " (Candis coughing) - _" "CANDIS:" "Jesus." "KATE:" "The bathroom on the bus, goodness, goodness, goodness." " (exhales)" " CANDIS:" "Oh." " CAITLYN:" "Oh, my God." " CANDIS: (laughs)" "Excuse me!" "You got a lot of nerve calling' me out!" "No privacy in this damn bus." "It's like..." "Oh." "Oh, my God, that is hideous." " ELLA:" "Okay, but let me go." " CANDIS:" "Good luck." " (spraying)" " Really?" " KATE:" "We have been room freshened." " CHANDI:" "Right." "You smell mangos and peaches." " (laughter)" " CANDIS:" "Oh, that is so bad up in that." "Oh, Jesus Christ!" " That is one wrong bathroom." " (laughter)" "KATE:" "Courtney, question," ""tranny" has been around as a word since the '70s." " COURTNEY:" "Mm-hmm." " KATE:" "I don't call myself a woman;" "I do call myself a tranny." "And transgender women have a lot of problems with that." "COURTNEY:" "So it used to be an acceptable term?" "KATE: "Tranny" was a family word." "COURTNEY:" "But now that's, like, derogatory." "KIP:" "Is that..." "So is it okay between trans women to still use that word?" "Or it's just better not to say it?" "KATE:" "No." "No." "I don't think so." "The people who object to the word "tranny" are people who... are very invested in being women, not trans folk." "COURTNEY:" "Even some trans women think that word's offensive, even for them to use as well." " JENNY:" "And I would..." "I would be one of them." " COURTNEY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Kate and I have known each other for decades." "I've taught her books even before I came out." "I taught, um, Gender Outlaw." "You know, I've been a fan of her work forever, but we see things very differently." "If I hear that word, I will generally leave the room." "I find it really hurtful." "And I recognize that there are other people who own that word proudly, and that is fantastic for them." "Um, it's not fantastic for me." "For me, it is like..." "like saying the F-word to a... a gay man or the N-word to..." "to a person of color." "It's a word I associate with beatings, being diminished, being on the receiving end of violence." "KATE:" "Did you have an experience?" "Were you attacked and..." "and yelled at and hurt?" " I'm so sorry, baby." " JENNY:" "Yeah, more than once." "JENNY:" "Somebody, um... uh, uh, grabbed me by the neck, used that word, um, and other words, dragged me around, um, you know, by my neck for about a half an hour" "and finally dropped me." "And I lay there on the ground, kind of unable to move." "Words can hurt as much as... um, violence can." "For... for me, it's still a triggering word." "KATE:" "We... we developed the word "tranny" ourselves." "JENNY:" "Yeah, I'm not sure the guys who were beating me up" " thought of it in those terms." " KATE:" "No." "Our word got stolen." "We are using it in the way we've always used it, with love and respect." "And you need to hear the love and respect in my voice when I say the word casually and you happen to hear it." "JENNY:" "And I hope you know you're asking a lot." "For me, Kate." "That's... that's not an easy thing for me to do." "KATE:" "Ask a lot from me." "Yes, I know I'm asking a lot." "It's my name." "It's who I am." "It's... it's the love I have for my queer, queer trans family." "JENNY:" "And I love you, but it's not my name." "KATE:" "Oh, I get that." "I get that." "CAITLYN:" "I'm, you know, obviously new to the community." "I heard a lot of people call it, in the past," ""tranny" or this or that." "Fortunately, I had never developed the habit, so it was easy to change." "Jenny Boylan," "Kate Bornstein look at this issue very differently." "They've both written books on it." "They're both very smart." "And so for me, it's great, 'cause I love taking a little bit here, taking a little bit there, put it in my little computer in my head, and find out what works for me." "KATE:" "We're on the same side but a totally different track." "ELLA:" "I think that's..." "that's evident, but..." "JENNY:" "You think..." "Is it evident?" "I don't..." "I don't think of myself as being really so far from... from Kate, but I think that we..." "ELLA:" "No, you guys are very alike." "I think you both are so intellectually on the same level..." "JENNY:" "Well, we're both..." "we're both brilliant." "ELLA:" "Kate," "I love her freedom." "And she has this perspective that can sometimes be dangerousterritory," " especially for Jenny." " JENNY:" "I think that Kate celebrates people who don't fit into any... compartment, and particularly binary compartments." "I don't think of myself as an outlaw because of my gender." "And my identity as a woman is a... is much more important to me than my identity as... as a trans woman." "KATE:" "I think what I opened the doors to is my notion that gender is more than two." " JENNY:" "Yeah." " KATE:" "And gender doesn't rely on anatomy or biology." "When I let my hair down, I'm... you know, tranny this, tranny that, let's go, trannies!" "And I don't, to this day, claim to be a woman." "And this is where we kind of differ, because as far as I know, I'm the only not-man-not-woman on this bus." "I identify myself as a non-binary trans person." "I call myself a tranny." "I've been a tranny for 30 years." "If you want me as part of your family, you say my name." "ELLA:" "We're all trying to get to the same place." "JENNY:" "Are we gonna be having this conversation for the next month?" "KATE:" "I will probably come back to it." "To be the object of disgust... that's how I spent my first 20 years as a trans person." "I was disgusting to people." "And I still am an object of disgust." "It really gets me in the gut to receive that from L, G, B or T." "ELLA:" "Have you ever played fluffy bunny?" " (Candis laughing) - (exclaiming)" "(laughing)" "KATE:" "Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh, my God, I would never, ever, ever vote for Hillary." "JENNY:" "Kill me now." "Someone kill me now." "CAITLYN:" "If Hillary becomes president, the country is over." "CANDIS:" "Tell me the things she's horrible about." "CAITLYN:" "Look at all the things that are going on in the Middle East, all because of what she did." "She's a (bleep) liar." "(phone rings)" "CAITLYN:" "Hey, guys." "It's my mother, the winner of the" "PFLAG Betty DeGeneres Award for outstanding support." " Say hi!" " (cheering)" " CANDIS:" "Hi, Mom!" " CAITLYN:" "They all say hi." "All right, Mom." "Love you." "Have a good night." "(beep)" " My mother called me." "You know why?" " ELLA:" "Why?" "CAITLYN:" "She's telling me how much she's really starting to like Donald Trump." "COURTNEY:" "What?" " (Caitlyn laughs) - (groaning)" " CHANDI:" "Wah, wah, wah." " JENNY:" "Wah-wah." "COURTNEY:" "What?" "'Cause you're the... you're the only person she could call" " that was gonna celebrate that." " CAITLYN:" "I know." "COURTNEY:" "That's why." "CAITLYN:" "She just hates what's going on." "She's seeing this country..." " All of her husbands fought in World War II." " CANDIS:" "No, no, no, no!" "CAITLYN:" "You know, land in Omaha Beach." "My dad fought for this country." "And now we're giving it away." "CHANDI:" "What do you think of Donald Trump?" "CAITLYN:" "Um, I'm not a big fan, because I think of his macho attitude." "I think he would have a hard time with women, when he doesn't even realize it." "And it doesn't mean he wouldn't be good for women's issues." "I think he would be very good for women's issues." " COURTNEY:" "What?" " JENNY:" "Kill me now." "Someone kill me now." "CAITLYN:" "I don't think he's out there to destroy women or take things away or do any of that kind of stuff." "I don't think my views have changed politically since transitioning." "You know, we're talking about the economy." "We're talking about our country surviving." "We're talking about an economic system that can prosper." "Just because I'm a woman now doesn't make me all of a sudden liberal." "KATE:" "Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh, my God, I would never, ever, ever vote for Hillary." "We're done." "If... if Hillary becomes president, the country is over." " CANDIS:" "Oh, my God." " CAITLYN:" "You can't fix immigration." "You can't fix the economy." " CANDIS:" "Oh, my God." " CAITLYN:" "You know?" "CANDIS:" "The Kool-Aid." " The Kool-Aid." " CAITLYN:" "We don't have a country." " And Hillary will not do it." " CANDIS:" "She's an amazing woman." "CAITLYN:" "Tell me what she's done that's good." "Tell me." " _" " CAITLYN:" "Please." " _" " CHANDI:" "So you're a Republican up there, too?" " _" " CHANDI:" "Okay." "So he's cosigning for Cait." "CAITLYN:" "No, he's... he's a conservative American." "He's an American, yeah." "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Nothing against you." "Boo, I still love you, too, but" "I just needed everybody to know that you're cosigning." "(chuckles)" "CANDIS:" "But, you know, there is a lot to love about Hillary." "She's an amazing woman." "Things that she's done in her life have been incredible!" " To go through..." " CAITLYN:" "What has she done in her life?" " What has she done..." " CANDIS:" "With the rights that... that... of women that she's gone through, it's been incredible!" "She's become a lawyer when it was so hard to become a lawyer." " CAITLYN:" "What has she done?" " CANDIS:" "She has served our Senate." "She was our Secretary of State." "CAITLYN:" "And she was a lousy senator." " CANDIS:" "She wasn't a lousy Senator." " CAITLYN:" "She was horrible!" " CANDIS:" "Tell me!" " CAITLYN:" "Look at all the things that are going on" " Tell me the things she was horrible about!" " in the Middle East." "All because of what she did." "Look at... look at Benghazi." "She lied to us." " CANDIS:" "She didn't lie to us." " CAITLYN:" "She's a (bleep) liar." "CANDIS:" "When it comes to debating politics with Caitlyn, it's not a debate." "She just talks and is yelling at us." "That's an uncomfortable situation." "CAITLYN:" "You want a person that's gonna lie to you?" "And then lied again about it" " and lied again about it?" " _" "CANDIS:" "I'm gonna go to the other room." "CAITLYN:" "And then all of her e-mails." " CHANDI:" "Okay, okay." " CAITLYN:" "She's a political hack." "KATE:" "Oh, boy." "CAITLYN:" "That's all she is." "She's done nothing." "CHANDI:" "Okay." "I..." "I have to..." "I have to listen." "I think, in a position where there were so many people against Republicans, made her really defensive." "CAITLYN:" "Cleared this room out." "CHANDI:" "Cleared it out." "Nobody wants to talk to you right now, Cait." "(horse neighs)" "CAITLYN:" "Today, the next adventure." " CHANDI:" "Ooh." "Uh, uh..." " (horse neighs)" "Whoa." "I don't know what I'm doing." "(horse neighs)" "CAITLYN:" "I look at all the issues, I think, in a much different way than most people in this room look at the issues." "JENNY:" "It's not about the issues." "We're telling you, we were scared." "Oh, where's Candis?" "I just got into a full screaming match with Caitlyn." " With Caitlyn." " KIP:" "You did?" "What did we miss?" " CANDIS:" "About Hillary Clinton." " COURTNEY:" "What?" "(Candis sighs)" "CANDIS:" "I think Cait, she was disrespecting us in the way she was talking to us." "I mostly got upset that she wasn't listening to what we were saying." "She was talking down to us about our views and what she knew to be true," " um, and was yelling at us." " COURTNEY:" "She screamed?" "She screamed?" "How loud?" " CANDIS:" "I don't know." " JENNY:" "Loud enough for Candis to come back here." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Tell me one good thing she's done." "ZACKARY:" "Where is this anger coming from?" " CAITLYN:" "Where's the what?" " ZACKARY:" "This anger coming from." "You seem like you're really angry about this." "CAITLYN:" "It's so upsetting to me to see where this... where this whole thing is headed." "ZACKARY:" "You know, I really appreciate debate, um, but I'm really reticent to engage ifsomebody's at an escalated pitch with their voice." "You know, I try to be as, like, diplomatic as possible, and especially when it comes to politics." "Um, Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State, was the person who spearheaded the effort to make it easier for trans people to change their gender marker on their passports." "CAITLYN:" "That is very good for us, okay?" "But we are .8% of the population, and that is a very small thing." "ZACKARY:" "Listen, she's somebody who's dedicated her life" " to gender equality." " CAITLYN:" "In the scheme of things, that is, like, itty-bitty, teeny-weeny..." "ZACKARY:" "I can go on, but I won't go on if I'm beinginterrupted." "I'm listening to everything that you're saying, and..." " CAITLYN:" "If you look at it..." " ZACKARY:" "But I unfortunately don't feel, you know, comfortable or safe enough to disagree with you." "And I think that that's..." "that's unfortunate." "CAITLYN:" "You know what, I..." "I appreciate your candor and your calm voice." "And you've calmed me down." "But it's just... very upsetting to me." "ZACKARY:" "You know, I'm aware that those ideas are out there, but I've never really been in the same room with somebody who's trying to kind of, like, come for me or come for, you know, my girlfriends, and" "sort of try to convince us that we're wrong." "I mean, I think that probably comes from 65 years of being a Republican man." "JENNY:" "She has a kind of bring-it-on sense of politics." "What she doesn't know is how much it really hurts us, and it hurts us as her friends, and it hurts us as women." " COURTNEY:" "She needs to listen." " CANDIS:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "When we we first got on this bus, I thought," ""Wow." "This is huge." Now I'm thinking, this bus is small." "This bus has never felt so small." " CAITLYN:" "Fluffy bunny." " COURTNEY:" "Bunny." " CAITLYN:" "Bunny." " ZACKARY:" "Just put it in your cheek." "ELLA:" "Oh, my God, I'm dying." " CHANDI:" "Fluffy bunny." " CAITLYN:" "Fluffy bunny." "(laughter)" "KATE:" "I didn't come out until after my father died." "I got up the courage to tell my mom, and she goes, "Wait!" "Wait!" "Wait!" "Wait!" "Wait!" "You get out of here right now, young man!" "And if you go through with this, if you really go through with this, don't bother coming back, because you're not welcome here." "_" "WENDI:" "Welcome to Sunrise Springs." "CAITLYN:" "Hi." "Nice to meet you." "What's your name?" " WENDI:" "Wendi." " CAITLYN:" "Wendi." "Caitlyn." " Nice to meet you." " WENDI:" "Welcome to have you here." "How was your trip?" " CAITLYN:" "Uh, a little long, but not bad." " WENDI:" "Yeah?" "CAITLYN:" "It wasn't bad at all." "WENDI:" "What we were gonna do is take you directly to your rooms." " CAITLYN:" "Let's do it." " KIP:" "Let's do it." "It's cold." " WENDI:" "And then, we're gonna go to dinner." " CAITLYN:" "Let's go to..." "let's." " CAITLYN:" "Where did Candis go?" " WENDI:" "We'll start walking this way." "CAITLYN:" "Hey, Candis?" "KIP:" "Candis Cayne, Caitlyn's calling for you." " CHANDI:" "Paging CC." " CANDIS:" "Sorry." "CHANDI:" "Paging CC." " CANDIS:" "Is Cait upset?" " CHANDI:" "Yes, she is." "CANDIS:" "Is she?" "What did she say?" "CHANDI:" "She said, "Where's Candis?"" "CANDIS:" "Oh." " CHANDI:" "She said, "Did I clear the room?" - (laughter)" "CANDIS:" "Oh, honey, I can't." "I..." "I'm sorry, I just couldn't hear her talking... just..." "Ooh." "WENDI:" "Zackary?" "COURTNEY:" "What about Zackary, 409?" "ZACKARY:" "You know, up until today, granted, it was day three, right, and it was very balanced, but when politics came up the second time around, it went from zero to 100 in, like, a second, and it felt really hostile." " WENDI:" "Jenny." " JENNY:" "Jenny." " WENDI:" "Okay, so you're in 419." " JENNY:" "Okay." "WENDI:" "There you go, 419." "JENNY:" "This is what I was afraid of." "Kate Bornstein and I are having the very conversation that I least wanted to have." "Caitlyn Jenner is holding forth about politics." "I'm thinking, "Get me out of here."" "(people sigh)" "JENNY:" "May I suggest we all join hands?" "I'm not gonna say grace." "I'm just gonna accept the grace of being with all of you." "Today was a hard day, I thought," " um, and, uh..." " CAITLYN:" "It was a long..." "It's a long ride." "JENNY:" "I'm grateful for all of you and for all that lies ahead." " CHANDI:" "Amen." " COURTNEY:" "Amen." "CANDIS:" "Amen." "CAITLYN:" "I love talking about politics and listening to other peoples' views and expressing my views, but it does cause tension." "And maybe a good idea would be to change the subject." "Five, six days from now," "I accept Glamour magazine's Woman of the Year, and I've been kind of struggling with this thing." "Besides the hair and the makeup and the clothes and this and that, to each person in this room who's had to work very, very hard to be the woman that they are, what is it to you to mean to be a woman?" "CHANDI:" "Mm." "Being 100% comfortable in your skin and being confident." "ELLA:" "I agree with Chandi." "I think it's just being yourself." "I think there's so many ways to be a woman." "ZACKARY:" "Yeah, for me, I think being a woman is... being powerful and being aware of your power." " CAITLYN:" "Okay, that's an interesting question..." " ZACKARY:" "Mm." " JENNY:" "Yeah." " CAITLYN: ... from my standpoint." "You know why?" "Because a lot of people don't understand why would you ever transition from the strong, powerful person that a male is into a weak female." "Now that's the peoples' perspective, okay?" "I don't believe that." "I mean, I watch Kris, who's a very powerful woman, and she... she knew how to play the game." "JENNY:" "The first thing I thought of was a quote by Simone De Beauvoir, who said one is not born a woman... one becomes one." "CAITLYN:" "Where do you come up with all this stuff?" " ELLA:" "I know." " CAITLYN:" "I love it." "I mean," " I..." "I mean, I love it, but..." " JENNY:" "That's a great quote, and I think each of us have had to become women... or except for... for Kate... um, each of us have had to become women in ways..." " CAITLYN:" "They've struggled." " JENNY:" "I mean that..." "I mean that respectfully." " KATE:" "I..." "I got it respectfully." " JENNY:" "Which means that we've each had to... to find, um, womanhood on our own terms." "CAITLYN:" "I don't know if I'll ever really figure it out, what it is." "Is it grace?" "Is it compassion?" "Is it looking at life in a different way?" "I..." "Honestly, I go down the street and I look at a billboard and for, you know, all these years, as a guy, I was looking up and go," ""Oh, man, there's a hot chick." And so now I go down the street and I..." "I can't identify that I'm part of that community," ""female," you know?" "I've been kind of the other way for so long, it's kind of tough for me to grasp that that's my sister up there." "But I think the more time I spend in it, you know, and the more I'm around it," " you kind of blend into that." " CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "ZACKARY:" "When you're transitioning, your mind... is sometimes ahead of your body." "And then there's other times when your mind has not caught up to your social position." "It's tough." "Like, I really love Caitlyn." "She is six months in." "But she hasn't quite caught up to herself yet." "KATE:" "I didn't come out until after my father died." "I was supposed to be the perfect son." "If I had told him this, he would've done the Jewish thing of tearing his clothing, turning his back, and "I have no child."" " CAITLYN:" "Really?" " KATE:" "Oh, yes." " CAITLYN:" "Wow." " KATE:" "Yeah." "So shortly after my dad died," "I got up the courage to tell my mom," ""Mom, do you know what a transsexual is?"" ""Transvestite?"" "And my father was a doctor." "She knew the difference." "She didn't want to know the truth." ""No, Mom, a transvestite wants to wear women's clothing." "Me, I'll be getting surgery." "I'll be taking hormones."" "And she goes, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait." "You get out of here right now, young man." "You get out of here right now." "And if you go through with this, if you really go through with this, don't bother coming back, because you're not welcome here."" "I was..." "I was dizzy." "I never expected that." "We'd had such... we had a mother-son relationship." "That's a great thing." "And..." "I threw it in her face." "The last thing she said, "Wait a minute, what do you think you're gonna call yourself?"" "I said, "Kate." "Kate Bornstein." "'Kate'?" "!" "Your name was Albert." "That was my father's name." "I will never call you Kate." "If I have to call you Kate, you can call me Mrs. Bornstein."" "She went back to her iced tea." "(chuckling)" "Three months pass, a big hurricane hit the Jersey Shore, and... which is where my mom was living, so I called to see how she was doing." "We talked for a while on the phone." "It was the first time we talked in months." "And, uh, she very pointedly called me Albert." "But we were polite to each other." "Finally, she asked me, "How are you doing?" I said, "How am I doing?" "They're making, uh... making it terribly hard for me at work." "That's how I'm doing, Mom." "It's really, really hard." "I..." "I can't talk anymore." I hung up on her." "Ten minutes, 15, the phone rings." "She goes, "Kate... "" "That was it." "And it was beautiful." "I said, "I love you, Mom."" "She said, "I love you, too, Kate."" "She told me something I'll never forget." "She said, "Look, I know life is hard, but that's what happens, baby." "You build a world... it falls apart." "But remember this, when your world falls apart, you always have the kind heart you were born with." "And I will always love you, Kate." "You're my daughter."" "(others exhaling)" "JENNY:" "My mother used to say it's impossible to hate anyone whose story you know." "Kate Bornstein and I have... fought really hard to get where we are." "I don't want difference of opinion to take away from the progress that we've made and... and the progress that the whole community has made." "Kate and I need to come together." "KIP:" "Cait, she got a special package." "(laughter)" " ELLA:" "It looks like a little vacuum cleaner." " (whirring)" "COURTNEY:" "I never can use it now." "I can never use it." " CAITLYN:" "Off to the horses!" " CANDIS:" "Yay." "CAITLYN:" "You've never ridden a horse?" " CHANDI:" "Never ridden a horse." " COURTNEY:" "You're devirginizing Chandi once again." " CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." " COURTNEY:" "Popping another cherry of hers." "(laughter)" "CAITLYN:" "There has been a lot of tension on this bus." "Maybe the right thing to do is take all the girls horseback riding." "Just get out of the bus, get on a horse, go up into the mountains, look at the beautiful views, and maybe even blow off a little steam." "ELLA:" "Have you ever played Fluffy Bunny?" " CHANDI:" "No." "I don't even..." " ELLA:" "But usually you do it with marshmallows." "Like, you put a marshmallow in and you say, "Fluffy bunny."" " CANDIS:" "Oh." " ELLA:" "What if I tried..." "CHANDI:" "Fluffy Bunny with... with powdered donuts." "ELLA:" "Powdered donuts, yeah." "I'm doing it." "At some point, the politics can only go so far." "So we just needed a little lightening up and some laughing, so I did not hesitate to bring out that bag of powdered donuts." "Oh." "Fluffy bunny." "(laughter)" "CANDIS:" "Does someone know the Heimlich maneuver?" "(laughter)" " COURTNEY:" "Suck 'em back." " (laughter)" " CHANDI:" "Ooh..." " ELLA:" "Fluffy bunny." " (laughter)" " CANDIS:" "This'll be five." " CHANDI:" "Fluffy bunny!" " (laughter)" " ZACKARY:" "She's out." " KATE:" "Yay!" " ZACKARY:" "Yay!" " CHANDI:" "Yay!" " (laughter)" " COURTNEY:" "All right, Cait, it's your turn." "Caitlyn, you have to do six." " CAITLYN:" "What?" "!" " (laughter)" "COURTNEY:" "Well, Ella did five." " I'm gonna put these on for protection." " CAITLYN:" "Lovely..." " COURTNEY:" "Fluffy." " CAITLYN:" "Lovey?" " COURTNEY:" "Fluffy." " CAITLYN:" "Fluffy..." " COURTNEY:" "Bunny." " CAITLYN: ... bunny." "COURTNEY:" "Yes." "ELLA:" "Just put it in your cheek." "COURTNEY:" "There's one." "Fluffy bunny." " CAITLYN:" "Fluffy bunny." " (laughter)" " COURTNEY:" "Here's two." " KIP:" "Watch out, this is the backsplash area." "CAITLYN:" "Fluffy bunny." " (laughter)" " ELLA:" "Oh, my God, I'm dying." " CHANDI:" "Fluffy bunny!" " CAITLYN:" "Fluffy bunny." " (laughter) - (cheering)" " Fluffy bunny." " (laughter)" "ZACKARY:" "These... these are some sorority antics, for sure." " (horse neighs)" " WOMAN:" "This is Bishop's Lodge... we want to welcome you this morning." "CAITLYN:" "Okay, Chandi, your first lesson." " This is what you got to watch out for." " CHANDI:" "Ooh." "CAITLYN:" "Ooh, yeah." "Ooh!" "CHANDI:" "Wow, that's a big dump." "(chuckling) CAITLYN:" "Let's do it." " Today, the next adventure." " CHANDI:" "Ooh." " MAN:" "Pistol Pete." "Anybody can ride him." " CHANDI:" "Pistol Pete." "JENNY:" "Toes up, heels down." "CAITLYN:" "Some never ridden before." "Some have done a lot of riding." "I've done a lot of riding in my day." " JENNY:" "You're looking good, Chandi." " CHANDI:" "Oh." "MAN:" "All right." "Everybody follow me." "CAITLYN:" "Get that head pointed in the right direction" " and give him a little kick." " ZACKARY:" "Yes." "That way." " (horse neighs)" " CHANDI:" "Um..." "Oh." " Uh, uh..." " (horse neighs, sputtering)" "Uh..." "Uh... let's come get him." " Okay." "Tell them to come get him." " (horse sputters)" "Okay." "Oh, Pistol Pete." "Whoa." "I don't know what I'm doing." " I'm..." "I'm trying to be calm." " (horse sputtering)" "Okay." "(horse neighs)" "Yes." "Okay." "Good job, Pistol Pete. (Chuckles)" "MAN:" "You sure you never ride before?" " CHANDI:" "I'm positive." " MAN:" "Oh, you're doing a very good job." " CHANDI:" "Oh, well, great." " MAN:" "It's like natural." " CAITLYN:" "Hey, Zackary." " ZACKARY:" "Yeah." " CAITLYN:" "First time riding with boobs." " ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "Really." "CAITLYN:" "That's why you need a good sports bra." " (Zackary laughs) - (horse neighs)" "JENNY:" "I don't want to be a nay-sayer..." " (chuckling) - ... but, um, there's gonna be trouble if we don't come together." "I'm loving doing this." "Knowing Caitlyn Jenner means going on wonderful adventures, but it's... it's about more than having fun." "There really are things that should be called into question, because Caitlyn has been..." "I hate to say it, but she's been kind of a bully." " CAITLYN:" "How pretty is this, huh?" " ZACKARY:" "This is beautiful." "(insects trilling)" "KIP:" "Look what we got!" "Cait, she got a..." " COURTNEY:" "What is this?" " KIP:" "She got a special package." "COURTNEY:" "What do you think it is?" "A tennis bracelet?" "Diamonds?" "Better." " CAITLYN:" "Better?" " COURTNEY:" "Better than diamonds." "It's my favorite thing in the world." "CAITLYN:" "Oh, God." "I'm learning so much." "CANDIS:" "The color's so pretty." " CHANDI:" "The color is gorgeous." " CAITLYN:" "A vroom-vroom." "COURTNEY:" "A... a what?" "What did you just call it?" "You're just gonna grab it?" " CHANDI:" "Vroom!" " CAITLYN:" "Vroom." "COURTNEY:" "You're just grabbing it." " ELLA:" "Wait, this is amazing." " CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:" "Show me." "COURTNEY:" "Why is everyone touching it like that?" "!" " ELLA:" "Does it vibrate?" " COURTNEY:" "I'm gonna have to wash it!" " CANDIS:" "Hello?" " (laughter)" "H... hello?" "COURTNEY:" "I never can use it now." "I can never use it." "(laughter)" " CANDIS:" "It's like lipstick." " CHANDI:" "Oh!" " (whirring) - (laughter)" "(indistinct chatter)" "CHANDI:" "We are gonna toast to" " the Glamour Woman of the Year." " ELLA:" "Cheers." "COURTNEY:" "Caitlyn Jenner." " CAITLYN:" "This award is for all of us." " (cheering)" "KATE:" "I have a happiness thing I'd like to share." " CAITLYN:" "Good." " KATE:" "I had many second thoughts about coming on this trip." "I..." "I didn't know whether I could do it health-wise." "But the other, uh, stumbling block was Boylan." "JENNY:" "And... and it was mutual." "Right?" "KATE:" "We are each other's evil twin." "All right?" "We're both committed to trans... supremacy!" "(Laughs)" "(laughter)" "Our tactics and our ideologies are loggerheads." " We had a long talk." " JENNY:" "Oh, we did." "KATE:" "We did." "What we ended up with is," ""Some of your stuff is hard to hear and I know some of what I say is hard to hear and I'm trying to throttle it back in your presence." "But I know you listen to me and I promise I'll listen to you."" "JENNY:" "And we came to a good place." "Is there any way that our friendship, the fact that we disagree on so much but that we love each other so much, can we use the thing that we have to open her up a little?" "KATE:" "If she allows us in." "So this brings me to my mea culpa..." " CAITLYN:" "Okay." " KATE: ... and my olive branch to you." "(sighs)" "The other day on the bus," "I was a smartass." "I said to myself, "Oh, I know Caitlyn's a Republican." "Let's see if we can get a rise out of her."" " And I said, "Hey, Caitlyn... "" " CAITLYN:" "Did it work?" "KATE: "Caitlyn..." "Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?"" " CAITLYN:" "Yeah, I know, yeah." " KATE:" "And we were off to the races." "I walked out of the room while you were talking, and I want you to know it wasn't because of what you were saying." " I want to know more about that." " CAITLYN:" "Right." "KATE:" "The kind of anger" " that was coming... anger's a healthy..." " CAITLYN:" "It's passion." "KATE:" "And I hear it as anger and I go, "Uh-oh, scared little boy, Daddy's angry."" "And I leave." "JENNY:" "Caitlyn, I want to make sure that you hear that it made not just Kate but many of us uncomfortable." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah, I..." "I look at all the issues, I think, in a much different way than most people in this room look at the issues." "JENNY:" "It's not about the issues... we're asking you to hear the fact that we're telling you we were scared." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah, I..." "I look at all the issues, I think, in a much different way than most people in this room look at the issues." "JENNY:" "It's not about the issues." "We're asking you to hear the fact that we're telling you we were scared." "CANDIS:" "For me, it was the idea that I..." "I listen to you and what you... what you say, but sometimes you don't listen to me" " when I'm talking." " CAITLYN:" "I..." "I agree with that, yes." " CANDIS:" "So, that... that's what it is..." " CAITLYN:" "Or I disagree..." " and I get a little bit excited for the extreme." " CANDIS:" "You do, yeah." "CHANDI:" "When you're a sister and you're coming from a good place, these things should be received." " CAITLYN:" "Yeah." " CHANDI:" "They don't have to be liked, but they should be received, and that's the important thing." "JENNY:" "When you talk to us, we hope that you will speak with gentleness and with love." "And I..." "I..." "CAITLYN:" "Um, I..." "I agree with that... sometimes I get very passionate about it and I kind of feel Bruce comes in and I go... (grunts)" " JENNY:" "And that's the thing to pay atten..." " CAITLYN:" "Would you listen to me," " what I have to say?" " JENNY:" "But that's the thing" " to... to pay attention to, because..." " CAITLYN:" "Oh, I totally agree with that." " JENNY:" "It's..." "It was scary." " CAITLYN:" "And I totally agree with you from that standpoint..." "I was a little rough, yeah." "CHANDI:" "I didn't think you was rough... you know, I sat there with you." "I'm a rider, mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "I admit I get very... uh, upset... uh, not upset, I get," "I become very aggressive when it comes to politics." "And listening is always something I have to work on, okay?" "That's the feminine side of me that I'm working on, yeah." "ZACKARY:" "You know, I really, actually think, with all due respect, our community has been prone to infighting" " and division and conflict." " CAITLYN:" "Oh, yeah." "ZACKARY:" "And a lot of anger." "And I think that, as a community, the fact that we can all feel safe to kind of explore our differences in the most respectful way possible is modeling behavior for the trans community" " and for the world community." " KATE:" "Well said." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah, well, we need that conversation in this country, big time." "ZACKARY:" "Minds are made to change." "We are all evolving all the time." "For me, having a friend like Caitlyn, I've evolved, you know?" "So I can't help but think that with her having, you know, five or six friends who have really different ideas about things is..." "We can help her evolve too." " CAITLYN:" "By the way, Candis." " CANDIS:" "Yeah?" "CAITLYN:" "On the Hillary Clinton issue..." "I know you walked out and I felt really bad, and I just want to apologize." " CANDIS:" "Yeah." " CAITLYN:" "I did not mean to upset you." " I might even take a picture with Hillary." " (group gasps)" "I haven't..." "You and me and Hillary," " um, but I didn't mean to upset you and I apologize." " CANDIS:" "That actually means a lot." "I d..." "I didn't mean to raise my voice, either." " CAITLYN:" "You know I love you." " CANDIS:" "I love you too." "CAITLYN:" "How do we get on the bus for 30 days and, uh, not go... not go after each other?" "Um, I need to be calmer." "I think I could get more accomplished." "Let little Caitlyn carry the conversation in a calm way." "Well, I have to try that." "Yeah." " JENNY:" "Mr. Mayor, it's a pleasure." " JAVIER:" "Welcome, and I'm glad you're here, because we are actually gonna do something." "It's a very small effort to send a powerful message." "KATE:" "My honor, Mr. Mayor." "And now we're going to meet the mayor." "Yay!" " Caitlyn Jenner, hi, how are you?" " JAVIER:" "How are you, Caitlyn?" " Welcome to Santa Fe." " CAITLYN:" "Very nice to meet you." " JAVIER:" "I'm Mayor Gonzalez." " JENNY:" "Mr. Mayor, it's a pleasure." "JAVIER:" "Over the last year we passed a important, uh, ordinance... a gender-neutral bathroom ordinance." "A very small thing to do to change out, uh, the signs of a bathroom, but it sent out a very powerful message." "It wasn't easy." "There was a lot of fear-mongering that went on." " CAITLYN:" "That's exactly, yeah." " JAVIER:" "People trying to distort what we were trying to do, but I knew, because of Chloe and so many other people in our community, that we could not give up." "KATE:" "The Santa Fe bathroom ordinance was a big step in the right direction." "A single seater was labeled female." "Another single seater was labeled male." "What is the point in that?" "So they... they so wisely put up, okay, this is gender neutral." "Whoever gets in here can use the bathroom." "That makes so much sense." "CAITLYN:" "Kate has been an activist in this community for" " 30 years." " KATE: 30 years." "And you've given me a place to pee." " Thank you so much." " (applause)" "JAVIER:" "Thank you." "And I'm glad you're here, because we are actually gonna do something..." "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" " we're actually gonna change out the signage..." " KATE:" "Come on." " JAVIER: ... of the bathrooms." " CAITLYN:" "And I think you should do it." " KATE:" "I didn't know that." "Oh!" " JAVIER:" "Would you do it, would you help me do it?" "CAITLYN:" "I had a chance to talk to Kate about her issues over the last 30, 35 years, with, just the simple thing as the good old bathroom." "And she told me some horrifying stories about how she was treated." "So I thought it would really be appropriate... because I think it would mean a lot to her... if she changed the sign on the bathroom." "JAVIER:" "And so, as a I said, it's a... it's a very small, uh, effort to send a powerful message to you and everyone else living in Santa Fe." "So if you would help me put this up," " I would be honored." " KATE:" "My honor, Mr. Mayor." " CAITLYN:" "Yay!" " (applause)" "KATE:" "More than safe... because "safe"" "is always relative... more than safe, I feel included." "I feel acknowledged, I feel respected." "Putting the sign on the door that said "gender neutral"" "was surreal." "But the fact is there are gonna be more signs like it, and Caitlyn was generous enough to say," ""Kate, you do that."" "That's the generous spirit I want to touch in Caitlyn, right there." "She was so sweet to give that to me." "CAITLYN:" "Got it." "CAITLYN:" "Kylie was supposed to be my date," "I get a phone call from her saying she's had a wardrobe malfunction." "KYLIE:" "My vagina was out." "Not my boob, not my butt crack, my vagina." "ZACKARY:" "Candis Cayne has a date tonight." "CANDIS:" "I'm waiting for somebody, nobody's showing up." "CHANDI:" "It's official." "(cheering, applause)" "CAITLYN:" "It's almost, like, kind of throwing old Bruce... out the door."