"Someone I know intimately." "CANDIS:" "Kris." "CANDIS:" "Kris." "Really?" "Really?" "KATE:" "Isshebeinggood to" "KATE:" "Isshebeinggood to you?" "you?" "CAITLYN:" "She'sbeenfine." "CAITLYN:" "She'sbeenfine." "KRIS:" "I definitelytookit" "KRIS:" "I definitelytookit personally." "personally." "JENNY:" "Shetellyou earlyon?" "JENNY:" "Shetellyou earlyon?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "I certainlysaidI" "CAITLYN:" "I certainlysaidI had gender issues and that I was had gender issues and that I was on hormones." "on hormones." "KRIS:" "I didn'tknowuntilall" "KRIS:" "I didn'tknowuntilall of this." "of this." "I couldn't have given you the" "I couldn't have given you the definition of transgender." "definition of transgender." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish,let" "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish,let  me finish." "me finish." "KRIS:" "Untilsixmonthsago." "KRIS:" "Untilsixmonthsago." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing" "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing stubborn, that's fine." "stubborn, that's fine." "ķ ķ ķ ķ CAITLYN:" "There'sreallyalot" "CAITLYN:" "There'sreallyalot I want to get off my chest with" "I want to get off my chest with Kris, and I'm afraid if I don't" "Kris, and I'm afraid if I don't have it now, um, I'll probably have it now, um, I'll probably never have the conversation." "KRIS:" "Coming!" "KRIS:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Uh...you'reready" "CAITLYN:" "Uh...you'reready to go?" "All packed up?" "to go?" "All packed up?" "KRIS:" "Yeah,justpackingmy" "KRIS:" "Yeah,justpackingmy stuff up-- how are you?" "stuff up-- how are you?" "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhave" "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhave fun last night?" "fun last night?" "KRIS:" "Thanksforlastnight!" "KRIS:" "Thanksforlastnight!" "Yeah!" "Yeah!" "CAITLYN:" "Beforeyougo," "CAITLYN:" "Beforeyougo,  you got time?" "you got time?" "KRIS:" "I gotalittlebitof" "KRIS:" "I gotalittlebitof time." "time." "CAITLYN:" "Um,so ,your" "CAITLYN:" "Um,so ,your impressions of everybody?" "impressions of everybody?" "KRIS:" "Itwasreally" "KRIS:" "Itwasreally interesting meeting everybody, interesting meeting everybody, and just, you know, kind of and just, you know, kind of seeing, like, what kind of group seeing, like, what kind of group of girls you have around you." "of girls you have around you." "I've had my friends my entire" "I've had my friends my entire life, some of them." "life, some of them." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iknow." "KRIS:" "Andyouknow?" "KRIS:" "Andyouknow?" "They're everything." "They're everything." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "AndIthinkonething" "KRIS:" "AndIthinkonething  that I was thinking about you that I was thinking about you is you never had friends." "is you never had friends." "CAITLYN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No." "KRIS:" "Ever." "KRIS:" "Ever." "And I would get so annoyed with" "And I would get so annoyed with you when my girlfriends would you when my girlfriends would come over to the house for a come over to the house for a drink and you would just sit drink and you would just sit there, and I would go, "Okay!"" "there, and I would go, "Okay!" I didn't get it." "I didn't get it." "CAITLYN:" "Well,'causeI," "CAITLYN:" "Well,'causeI, you know, I never... you know, I never..." "KRIS:" "Andnow..." "KRIS:" "Andnow..." "CAITLYN:" "Itwasalways" "CAITLYN:" "Itwasalways frustrating to me because I frustrating to me because I never, uh, never had felt like I never, uh, never had felt like I ever fit in any place until ever fit in any place until recently, no, I... recently, no, I..." "KRIS:" "So,Ithinkthat for" "KRIS:" "So,Ithinkthat for you to have girlfriends makes us you to have girlfriends makes us really happy." "really happy." "CAITLYN:" "I 'veneverbeenmore" "CAITLYN:" "I 'veneverbeenmore happy in my life than I have in happy in my life than I have in the last six months." "the last six months." "KRIS:" "I knowthatyou 're" "KRIS:" "I knowthatyou 're having, like, the greatest time, having, like, the greatest time, but I think that... but I think that..." "you forget that there's also you forget that there's also things, you know, that are things, you know, that are really sad that are going on at really sad that are going on at home." "home." "CAITLYN:" "Likewhat?" "CAITLYN:" "Likewhat?" "KRIS:" "It'sjust,there'sa" "KRIS:" "It'sjust,there'sa lot." "lot." "There's just, it's a lot and I" "There's just, it's a lot and I can't... can't..." "CAITLYN:" "What's-what'sgoing" "CAITLYN:" "What's-what'sgoing on at home that's sad?" "on at home that's sad?" "KRIS:" "It's,youknow," "KRIS:" "It's,youknow, Lamar's so sick, so sick." "Lamar's so sick, so sick." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iknow." "KRIS:" "Andhe 'snotreally" "KRIS:" "Andhe 'snotreally getting better." "getting better." "And it's really bad." "And it's really bad." "CAITLYN:" "Here." "CAITLYN:" "Here." "KRIS:" "Thanks." "KRIS:" "Thanks." "We spent a lot of time there," "We spent a lot of time there, and then Khloe got sick, and and then Khloe got sick, and then, you know, Kourtney's been then, you know, Kourtney's been struggling with the whole Scott" "struggling with the whole Scott thing, and..." "Kim's... has her thing, and..." "Kim's... has her baby situation going on and, you baby situation going on and, you know, we're worried about trying know, we're worried about trying to get the baby turned around, to get the baby turned around, 'cause right now he's breech," "'cause right now he's breech, and she's got her issues with and she's got her issues with her whole uterus." "her whole uterus." "Kendall got sick, which she had" "Kendall got sick, which she had to go see, like, an infectious to go see, like, an infectious disease doctor." "disease doctor." "She caught something in Brazil." "She caught something in Brazil." "So, you know, it's like," "So, you know, it's like, everybody has a lot going on." "everybody has a lot going on." "But I know that for you," "But I know that for you, sometimes, you check out." "CAITLYN:" "Well,Ido." "Um, I-I agree with that." "KRIS:" "Youknow,you are  the greatest person when you're engaged and you're you're engaged and you're present, but when you present, but when you disconnect, you're kind of out disconnect, you're kind of out of sight, out of mind." "of sight, out of mind." "And so, I just didn't want that" "And so, I just didn't want that to happen to you and the kids." "I don't want to see you check out." "out." "CAITLYN:" "Tobe honestwith" "CAITLYN:" "Tobe honestwith you, I do." "you, I do." "But, um, I'm a better person" "But, um, I'm a better person today than I was a year ago." "today than I was a year ago." "I've learned a lot about myself." "I've learned a lot about myself." "KRIS:" "Right." "KRIS:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "I don'twantour 23" "CAITLYN:" "I don'twantour 23 years together to be a years together to be a "checking out" on it." ""checking out" on it." "KRIS:" "Thenthat'severything." "KRIS:" "Thenthat'severything." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "I justdon'twantto" "KRIS:" "I justdon'twantto see you, um, disconnect from all see you, um, disconnect from all the kids." "the kids." "CAITLYN:" "Well,that'swhatI" "CAITLYN:" "Well,that'swhatI don't want." "don't want." "KRIS:" "Yeah,Igot totell" "KRIS:" "Yeah,Igot totell  you, when Kim brought me some of you, when Kim brought me some of your clothes that you were your clothes that you were throwing away... throwing away..." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "I-I saw that." "I-I saw that." "KRIS:" "I wasso sadbecauseI" "KRIS:" "I wasso sadbecauseI thought, "Wait a minute, I spent thought, "Wait a minute, I spent 23 years building this fabulous 23 years building this fabulous wardrobe."" "wardrobe." (chuckles):" "I was... (chuckles):" "I was..." "Who knew I was buying the wrong" "Who knew I was buying the wrong (bleep)?" "(bleep)?" "CAITLYN:" "I knowthatmade" "CAITLYN:" "I knowthatmade-- KRIS:" "Oh,my God." "KRIS:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Um, you know, for the last four" "Um, you know, for the last four months, five months, I've had months, five months, I've had lawyers, and people, and lawyers, and people, and everything going through name" "everything going through name change, but I finally got my change, but I finally got my driver's license." "driver's license." "KRIS:" "Oh,youdid ?" "KRIS:" "Oh,youdid ?" "What does it say" " Caitlyn?" "What does it say" " Caitlyn?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Caitlyn Marie" "Caitlyn Marie-- KRIS:" "What'syour--?" "KRIS:" "What'syour--?" "CAITLYN:" "CaitlynMarie" "CAITLYN:" "CaitlynMarie Jenner." "Jenner." "KRIS:" "Oh,Marie,and itsays" "KRIS:" "Oh,Marie,and itsays  that on your driver's license?" "that on your driver's license?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "With, uh, gender marker F." "With, uh, gender marker F. KRIS:" "Wow." "KRIS:" "Wow." "I didn't know they could do" "I didn't know they could do that." "that." "CAITLYN:" "Youcangoallthe" "CAITLYN:" "Youcangoallthe way back to your birth way back to your birth certificate and change that." "certificate and change that." "KRIS:" "Stop." "KRIS:" "Stop." "CAITLYN:" "AndIdid ." "CAITLYN:" "AndIdid ." "KRIS:" "Youchangedyourbirth" "KRIS:" "Youchangedyourbirth certificate?" "certificate?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "Passport's in the process." "Passport's in the process." "And it was kind of..." "And it was kind of..." "KRIS:" "That'skindofsad," "KRIS:" "That'skindofsad,  though." "though." "CAITLYN:" "ButIfeellike ," "CAITLYN:" "ButIfeellike , I've come out this other side..." "I've come out this other side..." "KRIS:" "Waitasecond,does" "KRIS:" "Waitasecond,does  this mean that he didn't exist?" "this mean that he didn't exist?" "CAITLYN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No." "KRIS:" "Ifyouchangedthe" "KRIS:" "Ifyouchangedthe birth certificate?" "birth certificate?" "CAITLYN:" "Well..." "CAITLYN:" "Well..." "KRIS:" "Wait,wasIever" "KRIS:" "Wait,wasIever  married?" "married?" "Was I legally married?" "JENNY:" "What'sgonnahappen here?" "here?" "BARTENDER:" "I 'mgonnagiveyou" "BARTENDER:" "I 'mgonnagiveyou  a shot, and I'm gonna put my a shot, and I'm gonna put my boobs in your face." "boobs in your face." "(Jenny babbling)" "(Jenny babbling) (women cheering, whooping)" "(women cheering, whooping) SCOTT:" "I 'mjustalonewithmy" "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustalonewithmy thoughts every night and... thoughts every night and..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "It'saverytough" "SCOTT:" "It'saverytough feeling, feeling isolated." "feeling, feeling isolated." "CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea" "CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea  reconciliation, you and Kourt?" "reconciliation, you and Kourt?" "KRIS:" "Securityguardsare out" "KRIS:" "Securityguardsare out  front, and a guy comes front, and a guy comes barreling into my office, and barreling into my office, and he says, "Can I have a hug and a he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?"" "kiss?" CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "That is so scary." "KRIS:" "Wait,wasIever  married?" "married?" "Was I legally married?" "Was I legally married?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "KRIS( laughs):" "Oh,my God." "KRIS( laughs):" "Oh,my God." "Wow." "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "I would like to think of it as" "I would like to think of it as that person still lives inside that person still lives inside me, and that today, I'm me, and that today, I'm a better person because of it." "a better person because of it." "And..." "And..." "I have been fortunate" "I have been fortunate enough to kind of get rid of all enough to kind of get rid of all that bitterness and see a much that bitterness and see a much softer side of me come out, softer side of me come out, which I think... which I think..." "KRIS:" "It'sagoodthing." "KRIS:" "It'sagoodthing." "CAITLYN:...isreally" "CAITLYN:...isreally important, you know?" "important, you know?" "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "KRIS:" "Youjustdon 'tseemas" "KRIS:" "Youjustdon 'tseemas angry." "angry." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnot." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnot." "KRIS:" "I thinkyouhad alot" "KRIS:" "I thinkyouhad alot of that going on a little bit." "of that going on a little bit." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ." "I never was able to" "I never was able to have privacy to be myself." "have privacy to be myself." "KRIS:" "Oh." "KRIS:" "Oh." "CAITLYN:" "Ifyouknowwhat I'm" "CAITLYN:" "Ifyouknowwhat I'm saying?" "saying?" "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I thinkoverthe" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkoverthe  last couple of years, you were last couple of years, you were frustrated with me, I was frustrated with me, I was frustrated with myself." "frustrated with myself." "And so, um, you know, I just" "And so, um, you know, I just want to apologize, I think, for want to apologize, I think, for a lot the times, the way I a lot the times, the way I acted." "acted." "Um, it didn't have to be that" "Um, it didn't have to be that way." "way." "I think, going forward from" "I think, going forward from here... here..." "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:..." "Iwouldalways" "CAITLYN:..." "Iwouldalways want you in my life." "want you in my life." "Okay?" "Okay?" "KRIS:" "First,Iappreciatethe" "KRIS:" "First,Iappreciatethe apology-- that's really nice of, apology-- that's really nice of, for you to say that." "for you to say that." "And I, believe me, I get the "no" "And I, believe me, I get the "no privacy" thing." "privacy" thing." "I don't have any privacy," "I don't have any privacy, either, and Kim and Kanye moved either, and Kim and Kanye moved back in and I've got North back in and I've got North living there and... living there and..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "SoIget it." "KRIS:" "SoIget it." "And if I wanted to do something" "And if I wanted to do something that I didn't want anybody else that I didn't want anybody else to know about, it would be very to know about, it would be very difficult for me." "difficult for me." "I have a hard time finding a" "I have a hard time finding a place to, you know, have five place to, you know, have five minutes to myself, so I get minutes to myself, so I get that." "that." "And I get how frustrating that" "And I get how frustrating that would be." "would be." "So, when you put it like that," "So, when you put it like that, that makes sense to me." "that makes sense to me." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "I would hope that our" "I would hope that our relationship going forward, relationship going forward, although very different, can be although very different, can be a really good relationship." "a really good relationship." "That's my wish." "That's my wish." "KRIS:" "Andthat'severything," "KRIS:" "Andthat'severything, and that's why I'm here, I came and that's why I'm here, I came to check up on you." "to check up on you." "'Cause I still love you and..." "'Cause I still love you and..." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "KRIS:...thekidsadoreyou." "KRIS:...thekidsadoreyou." "CAITLYN:" "Maybeat somepoint," "CAITLYN:" "Maybeat somepoint, we'll renew our vows." "we'll renew our vows." "KRIS:" "What?" "KRIS:" "What?" "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) KRIS:" "DoIget another" "KRIS:" "DoIget another diamond?" "Right-- diamond?" "Right-- CAITLYN:" "I don'twantyou to" "CAITLYN:" "I don'twantyou to get your hopes up." "get your hopes up." "(laughs)" "(laughs) I'll need a diamond, too." "I'll need a diamond, too." "KRIS:" "Oh,my God,thisis" "KRIS:" "Oh,my God,thisis gonna get very expensive." "gonna get very expensive." "CAITLYN:" "It's,it 'sgonnaget" "CAITLYN:" "It's,it 'sgonnaget  very complicated and very very complicated and very expensive." "expensive." "KRIS:" "Yep." "KRIS:" "Yep." "CAITLYN:" "NeitherKrisorI" "CAITLYN:" "NeitherKrisorI  were our best selves in our were our best selves in our relationship at the end." "relationship at the end." "When you're in a relationship," "When you're in a relationship, there's a lot of things that go there's a lot of things that go wrong." "wrong." "And for the things that I was" "And for the things that I was responsible for, uh, I have no responsible for, uh, I have no problem apologizing for those problem apologizing for those mistakes." "mistakes." "By the way, I have to admit." "By the way, I have to admit." "KRIS:" "What?" "KRIS:" "What?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,that" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,that birthday present you got me, um, birthday present you got me, um, that Chanel bag rocks it." "that Chanel bag rocks it." "KRIS:" "I know." "KRIS:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "Where'dyou...?" "CAITLYN:" "Where'dyou...?" "KRIS:" "Thatwasagood one." "KRIS:" "Thatwasagood one." "Saks." "Saks." "CAITLYN:" "Khloegotmea very" "CAITLYN:" "Khloegotmea very  nice bag, I told 'em I needed nice bag, I told 'em I needed bags, and I didn't get one golf bags, and I didn't get one golf shirt." "shirt." "I didn't get a pair..." "I didn't get a pair..." "KRIS:" "I cangetyou somefor" "KRIS:" "I cangetyou somefor Christmas." "Christmas." "CAITLYN:" "I didn't..." "Well," "CAITLYN:" "I didn't..." "Well, uh, but the right ones now." "uh, but the right ones now." "KRIS:" "I know,we neverknew" "KRIS:" "I know,we neverknew what to get you." "what to get you." "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) I definitely look at this whole" "I definitely look at this whole situation a lot differently situation a lot differently after having spent some time after having spent some time with these girls, and I with these girls, and I understand a little bit more" "understand a little bit more about the journey that Caitlyn's about the journey that Caitlyn's on." "on." "It's a very powerful place that" "It's a very powerful place that she's in." "she's in." "Life is starting to be what I" "Life is starting to be what I feel like she's always wanted it feel like she's always wanted it to be, and that makes me happy to be, and that makes me happy too." "too." "All right." "Good-bye." "All right." "Good-bye." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llseeyoulater." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llseeyoulater." "Good-bye and have a good flight." "Good-bye and have a good flight." "KRIS:" "Thanksforletting" "KRIS:" "Thanksforletting me... in on your party." "me... in on your party." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,I'mgladyou" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,I'mgladyou got to meet everybody." "got to meet everybody." "KRIS:" "Metoo." "KRIS:" "Metoo." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthen." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthen." "KRIS:" "Allright." "CANDIS:" "Yes,I'mreadyto chow down." "chow down." "I had a couple cocktails last" "I had a couple cocktails last night with Kris Jenner." "night with Kris Jenner." "She led me on a dark path." "She led me on a dark path." "(Candis sighs)" "(Candis sighs) But she was... she was great." "But she was... she was great." "It was nice to meet her." "It was nice to meet her." "You can tell why they have..." "You can tell why they have..." "still have a little, like, thing still have a little, like, thing together." "together." "You know what I mean?" "You know what I mean?" "KATE:" "Theydo ,theydo." "KATE:" "Theydo ,theydo." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "SERVER:" "Goodmorning,ladies." "SERVER:" "Goodmorning,ladies." "KATE:" "I wantjohnnycakes." "KATE:" "I wantjohnnycakes." "CANDIS:" "Oh,gosh,mydadused" "CANDIS:" "Oh,gosh,mydadused to make johnnycakes." "to make johnnycakes." "KATE:" "Yeah?" "KATE:" "Yeah?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "You'rebigonfamily," "KATE:" "You'rebigonfamily, right?" "right?" "Would you like to have a family," "Would you like to have a family, maybe kids?" "maybe kids?" "CANDIS:" "Uh,yeah." "CANDIS:" "Uh,yeah." "KATE:" "Youwould." "KATE:" "Youwould." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "That'swhatIwant to" "KATE:" "That'swhatIwant to see for you." "see for you." "CANDIS:" "Well,Ihaven'tfound" "CANDIS:" "Well,Ihaven'tfound the love that I want to find." "the love that I want to find." "Yet." "Yet." "I'm at the point now where I" "I'm at the point now where I desire to meet someone that I desire to meet someone that I can actually have a conversation can actually have a conversation with, that I have something in with, that I have something in common with, somebody that I can" "common with, somebody that I can play Scrabble with." "play Scrabble with." "And also someone that I could" "And also someone that I could eventually have a family with." "eventually have a family with." "That can bring, you know, bring" "That can bring, you know, bring that relationship to that next that relationship to that next level." "level." "'Cause I'll just as soon sit in" "'Cause I'll just as soon sit in my house with my dogs and, you my house with my dogs and, you know, garden. (chuckles) know, garden. (chuckles) KATE:" "Excuseme ,let'sgo" "KATE:" "Excuseme ,let'sgo right there." "right there." "Someone who motivates me." "Someone who motivates me." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "You'vegottobe" "KATE:" "You'vegottobe someone who motivates you, my someone who motivates you, my baby." "baby." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "ķ ķ ķ ķ KATE:" "Ifhavingfamilyis" "KATE:" "Ifhavingfamilyis something that you want..." "CANDIS:" "I thinkthatKateis right." "right." "Things don't have to fall in a" "Things don't have to fall in a certain order to make them certain order to make them happen." "happen." "So, like, if I want a child, why" "So, like, if I want a child, why is it that I have to wait for is it that I have to wait for the perfect marriage or meeting the perfect marriage or meeting the right person?" "the right person?" "KATE:" "Thisis abig stepfor" "KATE:" "Thisis abig stepfor anyone." "anyone." "CANDIS:" "It'shugefor me." "CANDIS:" "It'shugefor me." "KATE:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "I havealot ofgood" "CANDIS:" "I havealot ofgood  things going on, you know?" "things going on, you know?" "I have a career that I love, I" "I have a career that I love, I have a family that I love, I'm a have a family that I love, I'm a stable, kind of grounded person, stable, kind of grounded person, and I think I would make a" "and I think I would make a really good parent." "really good parent." "And so, um, why should I have" "And so, um, why should I have to wait?" "to wait?" "KATE:" "Now'syouropportunity." "(bell dinging) CAITLYN:" "We'rereadytoget" "CAITLYN:" "We'rereadytoget dirty!" "dirty!" "Look at those little babies." "Look at those little babies." "This is where they started off," "This is where they started off, in the bucket." "in the bucket." "CANDIS( laughing):" "Oh,gosh." "CANDIS( laughing):" "Oh,gosh." "CAITLYN:" "Andthentheyworked" "CAITLYN:" "Andthentheyworked to this pot." "to this pot." "CANDIS:" "Oh,lookatthose" "CANDIS:" "Oh,lookatthose guys." "guys." "MAN:" "This'llbe acrawfish." "MAN:" "This'llbe acrawfish." "JENNY:" "He'salive,um, but" "JENNY:" "He'salive,um, but  not for much longer." "not for much longer." "I think we should pardon the" "I think we should pardon the crawfish." "crawfish." "We're gonna pardon this guy." "We're gonna pardon this guy." "Let him live?" "Let him live?" "Who wants the crawfish to live?" "Who wants the crawfish to live?" "Raise your hands." "Raise your hands." "Who wants to eat him?" "Who wants to eat him?" "My friend, Bornstein." "COURTNEY:" "Gosh,so muchwork just to eat." "just to eat." "CANDIS:" "Cait,thatwas afun" "CANDIS:" "Cait,thatwas afun night last night with Kris." "night last night with Kris." "How did you feel about, like," "How did you feel about, like, hanging out with her and...?" "hanging out with her and...?" "CAITLYN:" "Afterlastnight,I" "CAITLYN:" "Afterlastnight,I had a very nice conversation had a very nice conversation with her." "with her." "CANDIS:" "Oh,youdid ?" "CANDIS:" "Oh,youdid ?" "CAITLYN:" "Thismorning,before" "CAITLYN:" "Thismorning,before she left." "she left." "You know, I-I apologized for," "You know, I-I apologized for, you know, over the last three or you know, over the last three or four years of our relationship, four years of our relationship, you know, wasn't that good, and" "you know, wasn't that good, and I was just as frustrated in the" "I was just as frustrated in the relationship as she was." "relationship as she was." "It was just good, you know, let" "It was just good, you know, let bygones kind of be bygones, and bygones kind of be bygones, and I'm glad we got that meeting out" "I'm glad we got that meeting out of the way." "of the way." "JENNY:" "I 'mthankfulforthat." "JENNY:" "I 'mthankfulforthat." "CHANDI:" "Whichis great." "CHANDI:" "Whichis great." "CANDIS:" "Sogreat." "CANDIS:" "Sogreat." "CAITLYN:" "HappyThanksgiving" "CAITLYN:" "HappyThanksgiving to all." "to all." "CANDIS:" "HappyThanksgiving." "CANDIS:" "HappyThanksgiving." "JENNY:" "Caitlynacknowledged" "JENNY:" "Caitlynacknowledged to Kris that she was not to Kris that she was not emotionally available during emotionally available during their marriage." "their marriage." "She took responsibility." "She took responsibility." "That's kind of a "Hallelujah"" "That's kind of a "Hallelujah" moment." "moment." "That's the kind of emotional" "That's the kind of emotional growth that her friends have growth that her friends have been rooting for." "been rooting for." "My friends!" "My friends!" "It's been, uh, it's been, uh, a" "It's been, uh, it's been, uh, a great... a great journey, and, great... a great journey, and, uh, I'm grateful to all of you." "uh, I'm grateful to all of you." "So, uh, this is my little gift" "So, uh, this is my little gift to you." "to you." "I'm a little sad." "I'm a little sad." "The road trip's just about over," "The road trip's just about over, and we are going back to Los and we are going back to Los Angeles for the Thanksgiving" "Angeles for the Thanksgiving break." "break." "ķ So fair you well ķ So fair you well My dear old friends" "My dear old friends I never might see you more... ķ" "I never might see you more... ķ Caitlyn really changed over the" "Caitlyn really changed over the course of this trip." "course of this trip." "She took responsibility for some" "She took responsibility for some of her mistakes." "of her mistakes." "She's becoming a more complex," "She's becoming a more complex, open person." "open person." "I just hope that the process of" "I just hope that the process of self-discovery doesn't stop once self-discovery doesn't stop once we're off the bus." "we're off the bus." "When we get back to L.A., I want" "When we get back to L.A., I want her to continue to become a her to continue to become a better version of who she is." "better version of who she is." "(whooping)" "(whooping) ķ ķ ķ ķ WOMAN:" "Yougottodoashot ." "WOMAN:" "Yougottodoashot ." "CANDIS:" "What'syourname?" "CANDIS:" "What'syourname?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) JENNY:" "What'sgonnahappen" "JENNY:" "What'sgonnahappen here?" "here?" "SHOTGIRL:" "I'mgoingtogive" "SHOTGIRL:" "I'mgoingtogive you and then put my boobs in you and then put my boobs in your face." "your face." "JENNY:" "Okay." "JENNY:" "Okay." "(whooping)" "(whooping) (Jenny imitates motor boat)" "JENNY:" "That'swhatI'm  talking about!" "talking about!" "(whoops)" "(alarm chirping) SCOTT:" "What'swithall the" "SCOTT:" "What'swithall the  beeping?" "beeping?" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkit 'sthe" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkit 'sthe batteries." "batteries." "I got to find it." "I got to find it." "(chirping)" "(chirping) SCOTT:" "Ooh!" "Thisw..." "SCOTT:" "Ooh!" "Thisw..." "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "Shh." "Shh ." "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "Shh." "Shh ." "(chirping)" "(chirping) WOMAN:" "Inan independent" "WOMAN:" "Inan independent adoption, you're gonna have to adoption, you're gonna have to disclose that you're disclose that you're transgender." "transgender." "CANDIS:" "Ignorance," "CANDIS:" "Ignorance, transphobia." "transphobia." "I've been living my life this" "I've been living my life this way for so many years, I don't way for so many years, I don't even think about it anymore, but even think about it anymore, but apparently other people do." "CAITLYN:" "Wearecomingupon  Christmas, baby!" "Christmas, baby!" "Look what I got!" "Look what I got!" "JENNY:" "It'snotjust,like ,a" "JENNY:" "It'snotjust,like ,a little gingerbread... it's, little gingerbread... it's, like, a gingerbread mansion." "like, a gingerbread mansion." "CAITLYN:" "Guesswhoboughtit" "CAITLYN:" "Guesswhoboughtit and sent it over to the house." "and sent it over to the house." "JENNY:" "Itwasnot Scott" "JENNY:" "Itwasnot Scott Disick." "Disick." "CAITLYN:" "NotScottDisick," "CAITLYN:" "NotScottDisick, no." "no." "Kris Jenner." "Kris Jenner." "JENNY:" "Ms.KrisJenner." "JENNY:" "Ms.KrisJenner." "Really cool." "Really cool." "So, Caitlyn, my friend Marci" "So, Caitlyn, my friend Marci Bowers is coming in ten." "Bowers is coming in ten." "CAITLYN:" "Actually,I'mvery" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,I'mvery excited about meeting her." "excited about meeting her." "JENNY:" "Good." "JENNY:" "Good." "CAITLYN:" "Um,Ifeelalittle" "CAITLYN:" "Um,Ifeelalittle uncomfortable talking about that uncomfortable talking about that issue." "issue." "JENNY:" "Dr.MarciBowershas" "JENNY:" "Dr.MarciBowershas been my friend for a dozen been my friend for a dozen years, and she is a surgeon who years, and she is a surgeon who performs SRS, or gender performs SRS, or gender confirmation surgery." "confirmation surgery." "She's also a trans woman" "She's also a trans woman herself." "herself." "Here's what I can tell you about" "Here's what I can tell you about my own experience with-with my own experience with-with surgery." "surgery." "One, it was really important for" "One, it was really important for me." "me." "The sense of, "Oh, I'm finally" "The sense of, "Oh, I'm finally whole, I'm finally me."" "whole, I'm finally me." At-at peace and at rest within" "At-at peace and at rest within the body that I always wanted." "the body that I always wanted." "And I've never regretted having" "And I've never regretted having surgery for one day, not one surgery for one day, not one hour, never." "hour, never." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Theresultswere" "JENNY:" "Theresultswere remarkable." "remarkable." "I know this is maybe too much" "I know this is maybe too much information, but it's-it's information, but it's-it's nothing to be ashamed of." "nothing to be ashamed of." "CAITLYN:" "Um,that'ssomething" "CAITLYN:" "Um,that'ssomething that, uh, right now, I feel a that, uh, right now, I feel a little uncomfortable talking little uncomfortable talking about that issue." "about that issue." "JENNY:( sighs)WhenI've" "JENNY:( sighs)WhenI've talked to Caitlyn about dating, talked to Caitlyn about dating, she always says, "Well, I can't she always says, "Well, I can't imagine a man being in this" "imagine a man being in this world and the kind of things world and the kind of things that, you know, the tabloids that, you know, the tabloids would say about them."" "would say about them." Or she talks about how her kids" "Or she talks about how her kids would be hurt." "would be hurt." "CANDIS:" "Wouldit be harder" "CANDIS:" "Wouldit be harder for you to be dating a man, as for you to be dating a man, as opposed to a woman, on the kids opposed to a woman, on the kids or vice versa?" "or vice versa?" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkit mightbe" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkit mightbe a little bit tougher on the a little bit tougher on the girls if it was, um, a guy." "girls if it was, um, a guy." "Yeah, if I was dating some guy," "Yeah, if I was dating some guy, they would go, "Wow."" "they would go, "Wow." JENNY:" "I don'tbelieveit." "JENNY:" "I don'tbelieveit." "I think that's..." "I think" "I think that's..." "I think that's... uh, I think that's an that's... uh, I think that's an excuse." "excuse." "And when it comes to the" "And when it comes to the surgery, I know she's thinking surgery, I know she's thinking about it." "about it." "KRIS:" "Doyouwanttodatea" "KRIS:" "Doyouwanttodatea  guy or a girl?" "guy or a girl?" "CAITLYN:" "IfI..." "IfI went" "CAITLYN:" "IfI..." "IfI went  through with my final surgery through with my final surgery and all of that." "and all of that." "KRIS:" "What?" "KRIS:" "What?" "CAITLYN:" "I wouldn'tdatea" "CAITLYN:" "I wouldn'tdatea guy with... guy with..." "KRIS:" "Really?" "KRIS:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Look,Idon 'tcare" "JENNY:" "Look,Idon 'tcare whether she dates men, or she whether she dates men, or she dates women, or whether she dates women, or whether she doesn't date anybody." "doesn't date anybody." "But she needs to find her truth." "But she needs to find her truth." "And find the words to express" "And find the words to express that truth." "that truth." "Are you reluctant to learn more" "Are you reluctant to learn more about this?" "about this?" "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "Um..." "how do I answer that?" "how do I answer that?" "Uh... that, to me, is really" "Uh... that, to me, is really uncomfortable." "uncomfortable." "JENNY:" "I 'mgonnaaskyou a" "JENNY:" "I 'mgonnaaskyou a question, you tell me if this is question, you tell me if this is too personal." "too personal." "You had this beautiful face work" "You had this beautiful face work done." "done." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "JENNY:" "AndwhenIfirst" "JENNY:" "AndwhenIfirst walked through the door last walked through the door last spring and I saw you, I was spring and I saw you, I was like, "Holy cow, she's a like, "Holy cow, she's a knockout!"" "knockout!" Um, that was more important to" "Um, that was more important to you... you..." "CAITLYN:" "Forme ,it was" "CAITLYN:" "Forme ,it was important, my appearance and my important, my appearance and my presentation was important." "presentation was important." "And they continue to be, the" "And they continue to be, the clothes, the this, the that." "clothes, the this, the that." "JENNY:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "I knowbeingawoman" "CAITLYN:" "I knowbeingawoman is a lot more than that, and I is a lot more than that, and I know for a lot of people in this know for a lot of people in this community, that's not that" "community, that's not that important." "important." "Just being themselves is" "Just being themselves is important." "important." "JENNY:" "Youknow,that's..." "JENNY:" "Youknow,that's..." "and-and actually, what you're and-and actually, what you're describing is, is certainly not describing is, is certainly not atypical of people that I know." "atypical of people that I know." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Um,forme, havingSRS" "JENNY:" "Um,forme, havingSRS was really important." "was really important." "CAITLYN:" "Morepowertoyou." "CAITLYN:" "Morepowertoyou." "JENNY:" "Um,andIknow other" "JENNY:" "Um,andIknow other people who don't want the people who don't want the surgery, or any surgery." "surgery, or any surgery." "And I know other who want it" "And I know other who want it desperately and can't afford it." "desperately and can't afford it." "CAITLYN:" "Probablythemost" "CAITLYN:" "Probablythemost private thing for a transperson private thing for a transperson to talk about is, you know, to talk about is, you know, like, way down there, what's like, way down there, what's happening." "happening." "But, um, why not, Marci?" "But, um, why not, Marci?" "She is a transwoman, so of" "She is a transwoman, so of course I would want to meet her, course I would want to meet her, I want to hear her story, uh," "I want to hear her story, uh, but also, she's one of the best but also, she's one of the best surgeons out there for this type surgeons out there for this type of surgery." "of surgery." "JENNY:" "Well,anyway,sowe'll" "JENNY:" "Well,anyway,sowe'll talk to Marci and, uh, see what talk to Marci and, uh, see what she has to say." "she has to say." "It's just, um, knowledge is" "It's just, um, knowledge is power." "CANDIS:" "Niceswing." "CAITLYN:" "That'sallyou got" "CAITLYN:" "That'sallyou got  to say, is "nice swing"?" "to say, is "nice swing"?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "That'sabig stick." "CANDIS:" "That'sabig stick." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "That'salot ." "CANDIS:" "That'salot ." "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'stoldme" "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'stoldme that in a long time." "that in a long time." "See the red flag?" "See the red flag?" "CANDIS:" "Uh-huh." "CANDIS:" "Uh-huh." "CAITLYN:" "That'swhatwe're" "CAITLYN:" "That'swhatwe're trying to get it in." "trying to get it in." "CANDIS:" "Oh,okay." "CANDIS:" "Oh,okay." "CAITLYN:" "See,soonasyou..." "CAITLYN:" "See,soonasyou..." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Soon as you..." "I knew it." "Soon as you..." "I knew it." "Soon as you got out here, you" "Soon as you got out here, you were gonna go "I'm gonna kill were gonna go "I'm gonna kill this."" "There it goes, right down the middle." "middle." "Isn't that amazing?" "Isn't that amazing?" "What did you think of the whole" "What did you think of the whole trip, did you have fun?" "trip, did you have fun?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I was actually doing a lot of" "I was actually doing a lot of thinking on the trip about the thinking on the trip about the trajectory of my life as far as trajectory of my life as far as family is concerned, you know?" "family is concerned, you know?" "It's like, you have such a full" "It's like, you have such a full life with your kids, and... life with your kids, and..." "Adopting or fostering is so" "Adopting or fostering is so appealing to me." "You know?" "appealing to me." "You know?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Iget that." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Iget that." "CANDIS:" "Damnit !" "CANDIS:" "Damnit !" "CAITLYN:" "Damn." "CAITLYN:" "Damn." "CANDIS:" "So,Idon 'treally" "CANDIS:" "So,Idon 'treally know what to do." "know what to do." "Is it even possible for, like, a" "Is it even possible for, like, a middle-aged transwo... middle-aged transwo..." "(breaks off into laughter)" "(breaks off into laughter) CAITLYN:" "Toadopt?" "CAITLYN:" "Toadopt?" "CANDIS:" "Toadopt?" "CANDIS:" "Toadopt?" "CAITLYN:" "Lookintoit, find" "CAITLYN:" "Lookintoit, find out, I don't know." "out, I don't know." "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "Yourlifewouldbe" "CAITLYN:" "Yourlifewouldbe really full." "really full." "CANDIS:" "I 'dliketo havethe" "CANDIS:" "I 'dliketo havethe  option." "option." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Actually, we should look into" "Actually, we should look into that." "that." "First of all, you'd make a great" "First of all, you'd make a great mother." "mother." "For me, family is everything." "For me, family is everything." "So, yeah, I think it's good" "So, yeah, I think it's good that she's, uh, thinking about that she's, uh, thinking about this kind of stuff." "this kind of stuff." "I don't want her sitting around," "I don't want her sitting around, waiting for Mr. Right." "waiting for Mr. Right." "Maybe it's time for her to do it" "Maybe it's time for her to do it on her own." "on her own." "I'll be by your side every step" "I'll be by your side every step of the way." "(birds singing)" "The last six months of my life have been really enlightening have been really enlightening for myself." "for myself." "But one thing I'm really not" "But one thing I'm really not comfortable with is-is talking comfortable with is-is talking about this issue of, you know, about this issue of, you know, gender confirmation s... uh, gender confirmation s... uh, surgery." "surgery." "But, um, I'm meeting with Marci" "But, um, I'm meeting with Marci Bowers." "Bowers." "She's one of the best surgeons" "She's one of the best surgeons out there for this type of out there for this type of surgery." "surgery." "Jenny s-set this up." "Jenny s-set this up." "Uh, it's a good thing, I... uh," "Uh, it's a good thing, I... uh, she's a transwoman, of course I she's a transwoman, of course I would want to meet her." "would want to meet her." "Uh, but to be honest with you," "Uh, but to be honest with you, I... you know, I'm quite nervous" "I... you know, I'm quite nervous about this." "(knocking at door) CANDIS:" "Tohaveafamilyand" "CANDIS:" "Tohaveafamilyand have kids, that's the dream." "have kids, that's the dream." "KRIS:" "Youwouldmakeagreat" "KRIS:" "Youwouldmakeagreat  mommy." "mommy." "You should go for it." "You should go for it." "And you don't even have to get" "And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat." "pregnant, you little brat." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Tryingto go into" "CANDIS:" "Tryingto go into motherhood and being rejected by motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the office buildings and the government..." "I don't know if I government..." "I don't know if I can do that, you know what I can do that, you know what I mean?" "(birds singing) (knocking at door)" "(knocking at door) CAITLYN:" "Comeon in !" "CAITLYN:" "Comeon in !" "We got a lot to talk about," "We got a lot to talk about, let's sit down." "let's sit down." "JENNY:" "Well,Caitlyn,I've" "JENNY:" "Well,Caitlyn,I've wanted you to meet Marci wanted you to meet Marci forever." "forever." "She's obviously an expert in the" "She's obviously an expert in the field of, um, gender field of, um, gender reassignment surgery." "reassignment surgery." "Is that... is that the proper" "Is that... is that the proper term?" "term?" "DR.MARCI:" "Thepolitically" "DR.MARCI:" "Thepolitically correct term is either "genital correct term is either "genital reassignment surgery" or "gender reassignment surgery" or "gender confirmation surgery."" "confirmation surgery." CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Why do you think it is that the" "Why do you think it is that the media is fixated on the... media is fixated on the..." ""the surgery?"" ""the surgery?" DR.MARCI:" "Well,thisiswhat" "DR.MARCI:" "Well,thisiswhat we... this is what we say when I we... this is what we say when I speak to audiences around the speak to audiences around the w... around the country... w... around the country..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "DR.MARCI:" "Whenisthelast" "DR.MARCI:" "Whenisthelast time you passed a stranger on time you passed a stranger on the street and knew with 100% the street and knew with 100% certainty what their genitalia certainty what their genitalia looked like?" "looked like?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Right." "DR.MARCI:" "Thefactis,you" "DR.MARCI:" "Thefactis,you make assumptions every single make assumptions every single day." "day." "So all I do, in the work I" "So all I do, in the work I perform, is we just match up perform, is we just match up the-the soul with the body, the-the soul with the body, basically, uh... basically, uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo youthinkis" "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo youthinkis the percentage of-of the the percentage of-of the community, of the trans community, of the trans community that actually goes community that actually goes through the final surgery?" "through the final surgery?" "DR.MARCI:" "Fewyearsago, I" "DR.MARCI:" "Fewyearsago, I heard it was only 20%, and I heard it was only 20%, and I mean, it's expensive, to be... mean, it's expensive, to be..." "and so it's about $25,000 out of and so it's about $25,000 out of pocket... pocket..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "DR.MARCI:...thatsomebody" "DR.MARCI:...thatsomebody has to pay." "has to pay." "JENNY:" "It'sonereasonwhyI" "JENNY:" "It'sonereasonwhyI  had to wait until I was 40." "had to wait until I was 40." "Because I just, I just didn't" "Because I just, I just didn't have... have..." "DR.MARCI:" "It 'salot ." "DR.MARCI:" "It 'salot ." "JENNY:..." "Ihadbeensaving," "JENNY:..." "Ihadbeensaving, I'd been saving money my whole" "I'd been saving money my whole life." "life." "DR.MARCI:" "Thissurgery,the" "DR.MARCI:" "Thissurgery,the male to female surgery... male to female surgery..." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "DR.MARCI:...iseasilyas" "DR.MARCI:...iseasilyas much art as it is science." "much art as it is science." "So, in terms of genitalia," "So, in terms of genitalia, everything that a man has, a everything that a man has, a woman has as well." "woman has as well." "And so, really, that's the basis" "And so, really, that's the basis of the surgery, is that of the surgery, is that embryologically, there is a embryologically, there is a transition from female anatomy transition from female anatomy to male anatomy." "to male anatomy." "And so when you're doing the" "And so when you're doing the reverse, you just simply undo reverse, you just simply undo all of the steps." "all of the steps." "CAITLYN:" "Um,yoursexual" "CAITLYN:" "Um,yoursexual experience... is it... still experience... is it... still there, is it gonna work?" "there, is it gonna work?" "DR.MARCI:" "The-thevast,vast" "DR.MARCI:" "The-thevast,vast  majority are able to orgasm." "majority are able to orgasm." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "DR.MARCI:" "So ,theclitoris," "DR.MARCI:" "So ,theclitoris, even though it's reduced in even though it's reduced in size from its old glory... size from its old glory..." "CAITLYN:" "Right,fromit'sold" "CAITLYN:" "Right,fromit'sold glory." "glory." "DR.MARCI:...um,is, um, is" "DR.MARCI:...um,is, um, is still very, very sensitive." "still very, very sensitive." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "DR.MARCI:" "But..." "DR.MARCI:" "But..." "CAITLYN:" "Whichis" "CAITLYN:" "Whichis  basically... the clitoris is the basically... the clitoris is the head of the penis?" "head of the penis?" "DR.MARCI:" "That'sright." "DR.MARCI:" "That'sright." "JENNY:" "Post-surgery..." "JENNY:" "Post-surgery..." "DR.MARCI:" "Yes." "DR.MARCI:" "Yes." "JENNY:...um,Ihad togetto" "JENNY:...um,Ihad togetto know my-my body over... know my-my body over..." "DR.MARCI:" "Yes,that'salso" "DR.MARCI:" "Yes,that'salso  true." "true." "JENNY:...inacompletelynew" "JENNY:...inacompletelynew way." "way." "DR.MARCI:" "As we say,as..." "DR.MARCI:" "As we say,as..." "to make a musical metaphor, we to make a musical metaphor, we say it's like say it's like "giving up the-the trombone and" ""giving up the-the trombone and picking up a violin."" "picking up a violin." (Caitlyn chuckles)" "(Caitlyn chuckles) JENNY:" "Ah." "JENNY:" "Ah." "DR.MARCI:" "Youknow." "DR.MARCI:" "Youknow." "You... it's... it's still the" "You... it's... it's still the same music, but... same music, but..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,butdifferent" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,butdifferent instrument." "instrument." "JENNY:" "Whatwouldyou say to" "JENNY:" "Whatwouldyou say to someone who is thinking about someone who is thinking about surgery, but isn't quite sure?" "surgery, but isn't quite sure?" "DR.MARCI:" "That'sagreat" "DR.MARCI:" "That'sagreat question, Jenny." "question, Jenny." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "DR.MARCI:" "Andit'ssomething" "DR.MARCI:" "Andit'ssomething that everyone has to wrestle that everyone has to wrestle with individually, of course." "with individually, of course." "'Cause it-it is personal, and..." "'Cause it-it is personal, and..." "and, uh, you know, there are a and, uh, you know, there are a lot of people who never end up lot of people who never end up having surgery, and yet they're" "having surgery, and yet they're still, you know, men or women." "still, you know, men or women." "JENNY:" "Wouldsurgeryhelp" "JENNY:" "Wouldsurgeryhelp you?" "you?" "CAITLYN:" "Um...possibly." "CAITLYN:" "Um...possibly." "Yeah." "Yeah." "Possibly." "Possibly." "I have no idea what the future" "I have no idea what the future holds, but it is really holds, but it is really interesting to talk about this interesting to talk about this issue with a doctor that's issue with a doctor that's intelligent and obviously has" "intelligent and obviously has been doing this for years." "been doing this for years." "So, yeah, there's a lot of" "So, yeah, there's a lot of questions to be answered in my questions to be answered in my future." "CANDIS:" "Thanksforcoming." "CAITLYN:" "No!" "CAITLYN:" "No!" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "It's a little nerve-racking for" "It's a little nerve-racking for me." "me." "CAITLYN:" "Isit really?" "CAITLYN:" "Isit really?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "So, I've decided to take the" "So, I've decided to take the first steps to see, uh, if I can first steps to see, uh, if I can get information in this adoption get information in this adoption process." "process." "DIANE:" "Hi,nicetomeet you." "DIANE:" "Hi,nicetomeet you." "CAITLYN:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Niceto meetyou ." "DIANE:" "Comeon in ." "DIANE:" "Comeon in ." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Allright!" "CAITLYN:" "Allright!" "CANDIS:" "Thereis thisamazing" "CANDIS:" "Thereis thisamazing lawyer, and she works primarily lawyer, and she works primarily with the LGBT community." "with the LGBT community." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyoufor" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyoufor  taking this meeting." "taking this meeting." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I was asking Caitlyn the other" "I was asking Caitlyn the other day, "What are my options about day, "What are my options about adoption as a trans woman adoption as a trans woman in my 40s?"" "in my 40s?" DIANE:" "Okay." "DIANE:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "SoIwouldlove to" "CANDIS:" "SoIwouldlove to know about everything." "know about everything." "DIANE:" "Solet'sstarttal- " "DIANE:" "Solet'sstarttal- - There's a number of different" "There's a number of different kinds of adoptions in kinds of adoptions in California." "California." "So, you could do a foster" "So, you could do a foster adopt, where you become a foster adopt, where you become a foster parent." "parent." "Another way is doing an" "Another way is doing an independent adoption, where you independent adoption, where you find a birth mother that's find a birth mother that's willing to place her child with willing to place her child with you for adoption, and then the" "you for adoption, and then the last way, which is, I think, the last way, which is, I think, the hardest, is an international hardest, is an international adoption." "adoption." "CANDIS:" "Really,it 'sthe" "CANDIS:" "Really,it 'sthe hardest?" "hardest?" "DIANE:" "Well,'causeyou 're" "DIANE:" "Well,'causeyou 're having to comply with not only having to comply with not only the laws of this country for a the laws of this country for a home study, but the laws of home study, but the laws of whatever country you choose to" "whatever country you choose to adopt." "adopt." "Most gays and lesbians who've" "Most gays and lesbians who've adopted from foreign countries adopted from foreign countries had to do so without being out had to do so without being out of the closet." "of the closet." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "DIANE:" "So,realistically..." "DIANE:" "So,realistically..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,really?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,really?" "DIANE:...yourbestbet for" "DIANE:...yourbestbet for  adoption, and your most adoption, and your most realistic, are doing it either realistic, are doing it either an independent adoption or a an independent adoption or a foster adopt." "foster adopt." "CANDIS:" "Haveyoueverworked" "CANDIS:" "Haveyoueverworked with transgendered... people?" "with transgendered... people?" "DIANE:" "I have,Ihavenot" "DIANE:" "I have,Ihavenot done an independent adoption done an independent adoption with transgender people." "with transgender people." "Difficulty you're gonna have in" "Difficulty you're gonna have in an independent adoption is an independent adoption is you're gonna have to disclose you're gonna have to disclose that you're transgender." "that you're transgender." "You've got to be matched with a" "You've got to be matched with a birth mother that says, "I want birth mother that says, "I want my child raised by you."" "my child raised by you." CANDIS:" "Wow." "I'mreallynice !" "CANDIS:" "Wow." "I'mreallynice !" "DIANE:" "Andthereare probably" "DIANE:" "Andthereare probably birth mothers out there who will birth mothers out there who will do it, but it's gonna take... do it, but it's gonna take..." "CANDIS:" "Soit reallyis...?" "CANDIS:" "Soit reallyis...?" "DIANE:...probablymore" "DIANE:...probablymore effort than if you were that effort than if you were that 40-year-old heterosexual couple." "40-year-old heterosexual couple." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "DIANE:" "Youknow,withthedog" "DIANE:" "Youknow,withthedog and the white picket fence." "and the white picket fence." "CANDIS:" "I thoughtgoinginto" "CANDIS:" "I thoughtgoinginto this that the hardest part of it this that the hardest part of it was going to be doing it, um, was going to be doing it, um, alone, but I'm realizing that," "alone, but I'm realizing that, um, really, the hardest part of um, really, the hardest part of this adoption process is going this adoption process is going to be being a trans woman and" "to be being a trans woman and all the hoops that I have to all the hoops that I have to jump over for that." "jump over for that." "DIANE:" "Ifyouhavemore" "DIANE:" "Ifyouhavemore  questions, let me know." "questions, let me know." "CANDIS:" "Okay,Iwill." "CANDIS:" "Okay,Iwill." "DIANE:" "Butyouknow...." "DIANE:" "Butyouknow...." "there's some challenges, but there's some challenges, but there's some opportunities there's some opportunities there, as well." "there, as well." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou for you time." "for you time." "DIANE:" "Mypleasure." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CAITLYN:" "Hello!" "CAITLYN:" "Hello!" "(Danson barking)" "(Danson barking) CANDIS:" "Oh,Danson!" "CANDIS:" "Oh,Danson!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my gosh!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my gosh!" "The dogs are going crazy!" "The dogs are going crazy!" "You're cooking!" "You're cooking!" "CANDIS:" "I 'mcooking!" "CANDIS:" "I 'mcooking!" "CAITLYN:" "I lovethat!" "CAITLYN:" "I lovethat!" "Oh, my God, Chandi is in the" "Oh, my God, Chandi is in the house!" "house!" "CHANDI:" "Hi,baby!" "CHANDI:" "Hi,baby!" "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CHANDI:" "Ooh,it smells" "CHANDI:" "Ooh,it smells delicious in here." "delicious in here." "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "CHANDI:" "I amgreat!" "CHANDI:" "I amgreat!" "CAITLYN:" "I haveso missed" "CAITLYN:" "I haveso missed you!" "you!" "All right, let's get something" "All right, let's get something to eat" " I'm ready." "to eat" " I'm ready." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "Wow." "Wow." "So what else has been going on?" "So what else has been going on?" "CANDIS:" "Well,Iwent..." "CANDIS:" "Well,Iwent..." "CHANDI:" "WithCandisCayne?" "CHANDI:" "WithCandisCayne?" "CANDIS:" "I wentto this" "CANDIS:" "I wentto this lawyer... lawyer..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:...aboutadoptions." "CANDIS:...aboutadoptions." "CHANDI:" "Sosheprovidedyou" "CHANDI:" "Sosheprovidedyou with lots of information that with lots of information that made you feel like it might be made you feel like it might be something that you will be something that you will be interested in doing?" "interested in doing?" "CANDIS:" "Italmostfeltmore" "CANDIS:" "Italmostfeltmore  daunting, because you still have daunting, because you still have the birth mother being able to the birth mother being able to know that you're trans and be know that you're trans and be able to say yes or no to who you" "able to say yes or no to who you are." "are." "I can handle the idea of not" "I can handle the idea of not being with someone... being with someone..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:...andbeingrejected" "CANDIS:...andbeingrejected by a guy, you know what I mean?" "by a guy, you know what I mean?" "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:" "ButIdon 'tthinkI" "CANDIS:" "ButIdon 'tthinkI can handle trying to go into can handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by motherhood and being rejected by office buildings, and the office buildings, and the government and, uh, potential" "government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that, you know what I can do that, you know what I mean?" "SCOTT:" "You'rewearingapurse now, you can't do this." "now, you can't do this." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llgetthelight" "CAITLYN:" "I 'llgetthelight end." "end." "SCOTT:" "See,thisiswhybeing" "SCOTT:" "See,thisiswhybeing  a Jew is so much better." "a Jew is so much better." "All you got to do is carry a" "All you got to do is carry a menorah." "menorah." "CANDIS:" "Foratranswomanto" "CANDIS:" "Foratranswomanto adopt, you have to disclose that adopt, you have to disclose that you're trans." "you're trans." "I'm just a little discouraged." "I'm just a little discouraged." "KRIS:" "It'snoteasy." "KRIS:" "It'snoteasy." "If that's in your heart, you" "If that's in your heart, you should just go for it." "CANDIS:" "I don'tthinkIcan handle trying to go into handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the by office buildings and the government and, uh, potential government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I" "mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that." "can do that." "Me being an undesirable person" "Me being an undesirable person to have their kids be adopted to to have their kids be adopted to because I'm trans, it's hard for because I'm trans, it's hard for me t-to think that way because" "me t-to think that way because I've been living my life this" "I've been living my life this way for so many years I don't way for so many years I don't even think about it anymore." "even think about it anymore." "But apparently, other people do." "But apparently, other people do." "It's irritating, because if I" "It's irritating, because if I was born female to begin with, was born female to begin with, none of this would ever even be none of this would ever even be a consideration." "a consideration." "CAITLYN:" "Isit difficult?" "CAITLYN:" "Isit difficult?" "Absolutely." "Absolutely." "But it's not an excuse not to do" "But it's not an excuse not to do it." "it." "CHANDI:" "You'reallowing" "CHANDI:" "You'reallowing yourself to be placed in that yourself to be placed in that space with the "what ifs."" "space with the "what ifs." You're going after something" "You're going after something like being a mom, that is so like being a mom, that is so important for a little person." "important for a little person." "To be able to have that support." "To be able to have that support." "CAITLYN:" "Andwouldn'tshe" "CAITLYN:" "Andwouldn'tshe  make a great mom?" "make a great mom?" "CHANDI:" "A greatmom,soI" "CHANDI:" "A greatmom,soI  don't want to hear you being don't want to hear you being Negative Nancy, uh, behind this." "Negative Nancy, uh, behind this." "If you're gonna look into it," "If you're gonna look into it, and go into it, you need to go and go into it, you need to go into it with an open mind, and into it with an open mind, and not focus on any of the" "not focus on any of the obstacleles that you're gonna rn obstacleles that you're gonna rn into." "into." "CANDIS:" "Ignorance," "CANDIS:" "Ignorance, transphobia-- a lot of times, transphobia-- a lot of times, it's not the person that's it's not the person that's wanting to beat you up, it's the wanting to beat you up, it's the behind the scenes, finding out" "behind the scenes, finding out who and what you are, and not who and what you are, and not allowing you to get the bank allowing you to get the bank loan, or not allowing you to get" "loan, or not allowing you to get the job, or not allowing you to the job, or not allowing you to adopt the children." "adopt the children." "So, it's like, once again," "So, it's like, once again, another thing that I have to another thing that I have to deal with because I'm trans." "SCOTT:" "Howthehellareyou?" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgood,let'sget" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgood,let'sget  a Christmas tree." "a Christmas tree." "SCOTT:" "WhobetterthanaJew" "SCOTT:" "WhobetterthanaJew  to go Christmas shopping with?" "to go Christmas shopping with?" "CAITLYN:" "I agree." "CAITLYN:" "I agree." "SCOTT:" "Handhug!" "SCOTT:" "Handhug!" "CAITLYN:" "Handhug,lookout!" "CAITLYN:" "Handhug,lookout!" "SCOTT:" "It'salmostHanukkah!" "SCOTT:" "It'salmostHanukkah!" "Coming through, got a package," "Coming through, got a package, people!" "people!" "Your hands are much softer now." "Your hands are much softer now." "CAITLYN:" "Well,Ijustused" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Ijustused  lotion." "lotion." "SCOTT:" "Lotof moisturizer." "SCOTT:" "Lotof moisturizer." "CAITLYN:" "See,youneedaguy" "CAITLYN:" "See,youneedaguy  around to help lift things." "around to help lift things." "SCOTT:" "You'restillstrong!" "SCOTT:" "You'restillstrong!" "CAITLYN:" "It'sjustachick" "CAITLYN:" "It'sjustachick thing, I know." "thing, I know." "SCOTT:" "Butyou'restill" "SCOTT:" "Butyou'restill strong, right?" "strong, right?" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ." "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ." "One thing I've learned on this" "One thing I've learned on this trip is sometimes, I have the trip is sometimes, I have the ability to kind of check out." "ability to kind of check out." "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttalkedto" "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttalkedto you all night." "you all night." "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring" "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring him?" "him?" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring him-- he's over there!" "him-- he's over there!" "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime" "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime with them than I have with you." "with them than I have with you." "CANDIS:" "Scott!" "CANDIS:" "Scott!" "JENNY:" "I thinkhe 'supset." "JENNY:" "I thinkhe 'supset." "CAITLYN:" "Life'stooshort." "CAITLYN:" "Life'stooshort." "I really wanted to, uh, reach" "I really wanted to, uh, reach out to Scott 'cause I don't want out to Scott 'cause I don't want him to be alone during the him to be alone during the holidays-- that's the worst" "holidays-- that's the worst thing that can happen." "thing that can happen." "SCOTT:" "That'skindoflike" "SCOTT:" "That'skindoflike  what Kris gets, right?" "what Kris gets, right?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,shegetseven" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,shegetseven  bigger than that." "bigger than that." "Anyway, yeah, no, so I got the," "Anyway, yeah, no, so I got the, um, invitation to the, uh, um, invitation to the, uh, Christmas party." "Christmas party." "SCOTT:" "Well,of course." "SCOTT:" "Well,of course." "No?" "Was that--?" "No?" "Was that--?" "CAITLYN:" "Youjustdon 'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "Youjustdon 'tknow." "SCOTT:" "Really?" "SCOTT:" "Really?" "Well, same with me." "Well, same with me." "CAITLYN:" "Well,but,uh, yeah," "CAITLYN:" "Well,but,uh, yeah, but how are you doing with the but how are you doing with the whole holiday season?" "whole holiday season?" "SCOTT:" "Well,Imean,it's a" "SCOTT:" "Well,Imean,it's a little tough, I mean, you know, little tough, I mean, you know, obviously without having my obviously without having my parents and anybody on my side parents and anybody on my side of the family, and not really" "of the family, and not really knowing if I'm going to spend it knowing if I'm going to spend it with Kourtney and the kids." "with Kourtney and the kids." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "SCOTT:" "But,it 'salittle" "SCOTT:" "But,it 'salittle hard for me, because I don't hard for me, because I don't want people to, like, take pity want people to, like, take pity on me, either, and they're just" "on me, either, and they're just inviting me because I know, inviting me because I know, they know that all my family is they know that all my family is dead." "dead." "You know, I just want people to" "You know, I just want people to invite me because they want to, invite me because they want to, not because they feel bad for not because they feel bad for me." "me." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "SCOTT:" "Soit 'shard,inthat" "SCOTT:" "Soit 'shard,inthat  way, and I'm obviously not way, and I'm obviously not drinking or doing drugs, so I'm drinking or doing drugs, so I'm just alone with my thoughts" "just alone with my thoughts every night, and it's tough." "every night, and it's tough." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "It'saverytough" "SCOTT:" "It'saverytough feeling, feeling isolated." "feeling, feeling isolated." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Well,sometimes,I" "SCOTT:" "Well,sometimes,I just want to like-- just want to like-- CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea" "CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea  reconciliation, you and Kourt?" "reconciliation, you and Kourt?" "KRIS:" "I called911." "KRIS:" "I called911." "What's your emergency?" "What's your emergency?" "I have an intruder in my house." "I have an intruder in my house." "What does he look like?" "What does he look like?" "And I'm thinking, "What do you" "And I'm thinking, "What do you mean what the (bleep) does he mean what the (bleep) does he look like?"" "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustalonewithmy thoughts every night, and it's a thoughts every night, and it's a very tough feeling, feeling very tough feeling, feeling isolated." "isolated." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Youknow,sometimes,I" "SCOTT:" "Youknow,sometimes,I just want to like-- just want to like-- CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea-a" "CAITLYN:" "Doyoueverseea-a reconciliation, you and Kourt?" "SCOTT:" "I mean,youknow,I,I think that that would be, like, think that that would be, like, the dream." "the dream." "End of the day, I would love to" "End of the day, I would love to see us work everything out and see us work everything out and be in love again, and watch be in love again, and watch movies together, and be movies together, and be intimate and love each other" "intimate and love each other and be best friends." "and be best friends." "But I also don't want to just" "But I also don't want to just rush into something that doesn't rush into something that doesn't make sense." "make sense." "CAITLYN:" "I understandthat." "CAITLYN:" "I understandthat." "Um..." "Um..." "(sighs)" "(sighs) You just got to do the best" "You just got to do the best you can, get through it, and you can, get through it, and look forward to next year, you look forward to next year, you know, it's a whole new year." "know, it's a whole new year." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "AndI'msohappy" "CAITLYN:" "AndI'msohappy that you're sober and you're not that you're sober and you're not doing any drugs and this and doing any drugs and this and that, 'cause that's... that's" "that, 'cause that's... that's like, by far, the most important like, by far, the most important thing." "thing." "SCOTT:" "I know." "SCOTT:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgladto see" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgladto see you're doin' well." "you're doin' well." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,andI'm gladto" "SCOTT:" "Yeah,andI'm gladto see you're doing well." "see you're doing well." "CAITLYN:" "Youknowwhat?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknowwhat?" "Hey, we'll get through the" "Hey, we'll get through the holidays." "holidays." "SCOTT:" "Listen,we 'realways" "SCOTT:" "Listen,we 'realways going through something." "going through something." "CAITLYN:" "Whatwe needisa" "CAITLYN:" "Whatwe needisa  Christmas tree." "Christmas tree." "SCOTT:" "Christmastreeitis." "SCOTT:" "Christmastreeitis." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgetintothe" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgetintothe holiday spirit!" "holiday spirit!" "SCOTT:" "Holidayspirit." "SCOTT:" "Holidayspirit." "CAITLYN:" "Ho!" "Ho !" "Ho !" "SCOTT:" "Let'sgrabthisbig old tree." "old tree." "CAITLYN:" "Waitasecond,nowI" "CAITLYN:" "Waitasecond,nowI  got my coffee here... got my coffee here..." "SCOTT:" "You...you'rewearing" "SCOTT:" "You...you'rewearing a purse, now, you can't do this." "a purse, now, you can't do this." "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'llget the" "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'llget the  back..." "I'll get the light end." "back..." "I'll get the light end." "You get that end." "You get that end." "SCOTT:" "Okay." "SCOTT:" "Okay." "See, this is why being a Jew is" "See, this is why being a Jew is so much better." "so much better." "All you gotta do is carry a" "All you gotta do is carry a menorah." "menorah." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "SCOTT:" "Itweighsaquarter" "SCOTT:" "Itweighsaquarter of a pound." "of a pound." "CAITLYN:" "Allright,set her" "CAITLYN:" "Allright,set her  down right there." "down right there." "SCOTT:" "Righthere,yeah?" "SCOTT:" "Righthere,yeah?" "Bravo, bravo, tango, tango, 46A," "Bravo, bravo, tango, tango, 46A, we're coming in." "we're coming in." "CAITLYN:" "Kris'sgingerbread" "CAITLYN:" "Kris'sgingerbread house came." "house came." "(Scott exhales sharply)" "(Scott exhales sharply) CAITLYN:" "Didyouget one of" "CAITLYN:" "Didyouget one of those?" "those?" "SCOTT:" "No." "SCOTT:" "No." "But..." "I think that's more of," "But..." "I think that's more of, like, a fun thing for girls." "like, a fun thing for girls." "CAITLYN:" "Maybethat's..." "CAITLYN:" "Maybethat's..." "maybe that's what... maybe that's what..." "SCOTT:" "Shereally,she really" "SCOTT:" "Shereally,she really accepts you as a woman now." "accepts you as a woman now." "CAITLYN:" "MaybeI'monher" "CAITLYN:" "MaybeI'monher good list." "good list." "(alarm chirping)" "(alarm chirping) Better than last year." "Better than last year." "SCOTT:" "Hoo!" "SCOTT:" "Hoo!" "You ain't kidding!" "You ain't kidding!" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "What'swithall the" "SCOTT:" "What'swithall the  beeping?" "beeping?" "CAITLYN:" "Um,Igot backfrom" "CAITLYN:" "Um,Igot backfrom  my trip... my trip..." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) ... and, um, I think it's the ... and, um, I think it's the batteries." "batteries." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "Oh,my God,doesthat" "SCOTT:" "Oh,my God,doesthat  not drive you nuts?" "not drive you nuts?" "CAITLYN:" "ButIhaven'tgone" "CAITLYN:" "ButIhaven'tgone  through the house." "through the house." "But now I can't shut it off." "But now I can't shut it off." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "Youhavetosleepwith" "SCOTT:" "Youhavetosleepwith that?" "that?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I-Isleepwith" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I-Isleepwith  this right now, so... this right now, so..." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "Oh,my God." "SCOTT:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "Thereit goesagain." "CAITLYN:" "Thereit goesagain." "SCOTT:" "Itgetsmeeverytime." "SCOTT:" "Itgetsmeeverytime." "All right, let's go take it out" "All right, let's go take it out and unplug it until you get and unplug it until you get batteries, then." "batteries, then." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "SCOTT:" "I don'twantalovely" "SCOTT:" "I don'twantalovely lady like you, uh, hurting lady like you, uh, hurting yourself here." "yourself here." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) So, I'm pretty sure, just pull" "So, I'm pretty sure, just pull that little thing out... that little thing out..." "(Scott chuckles wryly)" "(Scott chuckles wryly) Should've done that a long time" "Should've done that a long time ago." "ago." "CAITLYN:...andstickit" "CAITLYN:...andstickit in... in..." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) ...pluses and minuses." "...pluses and minuses." "Sort of..." "Sort of..." "SCOTT:" "Therewe go ." "SCOTT:" "Therewe go ." "(loud beeping)" "(loud beeping) CAITLYN:" "Oh,no ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no ." "(beeping stops)" "(beeping stops) SCOTT:" "Damnit ." "SCOTT:" "Damnit ." "CAITLYN:" "Thehelldid you do?" "CAITLYN:" "Thehelldid you do?" "SCOTT:" "No,no ,thatwas just" "SCOTT:" "No,no ,thatwas just a check." "a check." "Yep, she works." "Yep, she works." "Just testin', testing' the" "Just testin', testing' the waters." "waters." "CAITLYN:" "It'snotgonna..." "CAITLYN:" "It'snotgonna..." "Where's the next one?" "Where's the next one?" "PRODUCER:" "Doyousee any kind" "PRODUCER:" "Doyousee any kind of change in Cait?" "of change in Cait?" "SCOTT:" "I seeadramatic" "SCOTT:" "I seeadramatic change." "change." "And, not visually, so much, but" "And, not visually, so much, but really, just emotionally." "really, just emotionally." "CAITLYN:" "I appreciateyou" "CAITLYN:" "I appreciateyou helping me out." "helping me out." "SCOTT:" "Anytime." "SCOTT:" "Anytime." "I mean, I really believe when" "I mean, I really believe when Caitlyn was Bruce, he was really" "Caitlyn was Bruce, he was really shut off, and angry, and... shut off, and angry, and..." "just wasn't happy, and now that just wasn't happy, and now that she can be who she really wants she can be who she really wants to be, it's a whole different to be, it's a whole different person, and I feel a real" "person, and I feel a real connection." "connection." "(chirping, Scott snickers)" "(chirping, Scott snickers) CAITLYN:" "Actually,if you" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,if you were taller... were taller..." "SCOTT( laughing):" "I wouldn't" "SCOTT( laughing):" "I wouldn't need this ladder." "need this ladder." "I gotta get myself a pair of" "I gotta get myself a pair of heels, I guess." "heels, I guess." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "Oh!" "SCOTT:" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Thatwasanother" "CAITLYN:" "Thatwasanother one." "one." "We gotta find it." "We gotta find it." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "I 'mhuntin'wabbit..." "SCOTT:" "I 'mhuntin'wabbit..." "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) SCOTT:" "Oh!" "SCOTT:" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "SCOTT:" "Thisw..." "SCOTT:" "Thisw..." "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "Shh!" "CAITLYN:" "Shh!" "Shh!" "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "SCOTT:" "Insanity." "SCOTT:" "Insanity." "CAITLYN:" "Whichway..." "CAITLYN:" "Whichway..." "That was far away." "That was far away." "SCOTT:" "I thinkit 'sdowntown," "SCOTT:" "I thinkit 'sdowntown, Julie Brown." "Julie Brown." "CAITLYN:" "Badbattery." "CAITLYN:" "Badbattery." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) Bad battery!" "Bad battery!" "SCOTT:" "Makingallthatnoise." "SCOTT:" "Makingallthatnoise." "(chirping continues)" "(chirping continues) (birds singing)" "KRIS:" "Hello?" "Anybody home?" "Anybody home?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mhere!" "CANDIS:" "I 'mhere!" "KRIS:" "Hi,Candis!" "KRIS:" "Hi,Candis!" "CANDIS:" "Wow!" "CANDIS:" "Wow!" "KRIS:" "Crazy." "KRIS:" "Crazy." "CANDIS:" "Youlookamazing!" "CANDIS:" "Youlookamazing!" "KRIS:" "Whoknew?" "California," "KRIS:" "Whoknew?" "California, it's, like, 37 degrees outside." "it's, like, 37 degrees outside." "So I got you guys little" "So I got you guys little Christmas cookies." "Christmas cookies." "Cheers, guys." "Cheers, guys." "CANDIS:" "Hereyouare ." "Cheers." "CANDIS:" "Hereyouare ." "Cheers." "CAITLYN:" "Ho,ho ,ho !" "CAITLYN:" "Ho,ho ,ho !" "Merry Christmas!" "Merry Christmas!" "Honestly, I think Kris and I are" "Honestly, I think Kris and I are probably the best place we probably the best place we possibly could be right now." "possibly could be right now." "She actually sent me an" "She actually sent me an invitation for Christmas Eve invitation for Christmas Eve party, her biggest party of the party, her biggest party of the year." "year." "So I thought, why not invite" "So I thought, why not invite her to my house?" "her to my house?" "KRIS:" "I broughtyouthat" "KRIS:" "I broughtyouthat gingerbread house, and you're gingerbread house, and you're not supposed to leave it in the not supposed to leave it in the Saran..." "Saran..." "...you have to, like, embrace ...you have to, like, embrace the holidays." "the holidays." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdropit." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdropit." "KRIS:" "It'sokay,Igotit." "KRIS:" "It'sokay,Igotit." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) So, can I tell you guys what" "So, can I tell you guys what happened to me?" "happened to me?" "CAITLYN:" "What?" "CAITLYN:" "What?" "KRIS:" "Today?" "KRIS:" "Today?" "CAITLYN:" "Ooh,today,what?" "CAITLYN:" "Ooh,today,what?" "KRIS:" "Myheartisbeatingso" "KRIS:" "Myheartisbeatingso fast." "fast." "So, I'm at my house, I was" "So, I'm at my house, I was sitting in my office, on a sitting in my office, on a business call, my grandson is business call, my grandson is sleeping in his crib, security" "sleeping in his crib, security guards are out front, and a guy guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office comes barreling into my office with a backpack." "with a backpack." "My home office." "My home office." "CAITLYN:" "Howdidhegetin" "CAITLYN:" "Howdidhegetin the gates?" "the gates?" "KRIS:" "Somebodylethim in." "KRIS:" "Somebodylethim in." "And he says, "Can I have a hug" "And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?"" "and a kiss?" CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,thatis" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,thatis so scary." "JordanandChe" "KRIS:" "Securityguardsare out  front, and a guy comes barreling front, and a guy comes barreling into my office." "into my office." "And he says, "Can I have a hug" "And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?" "' and a kiss?" "' CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,thatis" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,thatis so scary." "so scary." "KRIS:" "AndIgo..." "KRIS:" "AndIgo..." "(laughs weakly) "I'm on a call."" "(laughs weakly) "I'm on a call." And he said, "Oh, okay, well," "And he said, "Oh, okay, well, I'll come back for the hug, I'll" "I'll come back for the hug, I'll be right back, I'm gonna pay my be right back, I'm gonna pay my Uber driver."" "Uber driver." CANDIS:" "Shutup ." "CANDIS:" "Shutup ." "KRIS:" "Hewalksout the front" "KRIS:" "Hewalksout the front door, and I called 911." "door, and I called 911." ""What's your emergency?"" ""What's your emergency?" "I have an intruder in my" ""I have an intruder in my house."" "house." "What does he look like?"" ""What does he look like?" And I'm thinking, "What do you" "And I'm thinking, "What do you mean, what the... does he mean, what the... does he look like?" "look like?" "Just get somebody over here!"" "Just get somebody over here!" (Candis chuckles)" "(Candis chuckles) CAITLYN:" "Howdidthe security" "CAITLYN:" "Howdidthe security guy let him in?" "guy let him in?" "KRIS:" "I don'tknow." "KRIS:" "I don'tknow." "CANDIS:" "So,he left...?" "CANDIS:" "So,he left...?" "KRIS:" "Theguy?" "KRIS:" "Theguy?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Oh,he 'sarrested,he's" "KRIS:" "Oh,he 'sarrested,he's in jail right now." "in jail right now." "CANDIS:" "Oh." "CANDIS:" "Oh." "KRIS:" "So,anyway,cometo" "KRIS:" "So,anyway,cometo find out, he walked all over the find out, he walked all over the house looking for me." "house looking for me." "He went into my kitchen, he went" "He went into my kitchen, he went through the family room." "through the family room." "Now, my granddaughter usually" "Now, my granddaughter usually plays in the afternoons in the plays in the afternoons in the family room." "family room." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "That'sscary." "CAITLYN:" "That'sscary." "KRIS:" "Andthen,Imean ,I" "KRIS:" "Andthen,Imean ,I have one, now, I was scared to have one, now, I was scared to death." "death." "Like, we didn't know where he" "Like, we didn't know where he was." "was." "CAITLYN:" "Tobe honestwith" "CAITLYN:" "Tobe honestwith you, I would walk around the you, I would walk around the house, half the people in that house, half the people in that house I didn't even know their house I didn't even know their name." "name." "Who the heck they were." "Who the heck they were." "KRIS:" "Theywereyour" "KRIS:" "Theywereyour children." "children." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CAITLYN:" "Oh,werethey?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,werethey?" "Were they my children?" "Were they my children?" "KRIS:" "Theywereyourkids ." "KRIS:" "Theywereyourkids ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh." "CAITLYN:" "Oh." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Ah." "CAITLYN:" "Ah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sdecoratea" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sdecoratea tree." "tree." "Ho, ho, ho!" "Ho, ho, ho!" "CANDIS:" "Arethese,like,all" "CANDIS:" "Arethese,like,all the kids' stockings?" "the kids' stockings?" "KRIS:" "Burt,Casey...ooh !" "KRIS:" "Burt,Casey...ooh !" "Penelope." "Penelope." "Mason, Bruce... oh, there's no" "Mason, Bruce... oh, there's no more Bruce." "more Bruce." "CAITLYN:" "He'sgone." "CAITLYN:" "He'sgone." "KRIS:" "Sorry!" "He left." "KRIS:" "Sorry!" "He left." "CANDIS:" "I can'tevenimagine" "CANDIS:" "I can'tevenimagine shopping for Christmas, for a shopping for Christmas, for a family the size of yours." "family the size of yours." "KRIS:" "Oh,youhavenoidea." "KRIS:" "Oh,youhavenoidea." "CANDIS:" "That'skindoflike ," "CANDIS:" "That'skindoflike , the... the dream, when you're the... the dream, when you're growing up, is to have a family, growing up, is to have a family, and have kids and I thought, you" "and have kids and I thought, you know, I would try to see what know, I would try to see what the process would be like for a the process would be like for a transwoman to try to adopt." "transwoman to try to adopt." "So we went and actually met" "So we went and actually met with this family, uh... with this family, uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Attorney." "CAITLYN:" "Attorney." "CANDIS:...attorney..." "CANDIS:...attorney..." "CAITLYN:" "Whowasgreat." "CAITLYN:" "Whowasgreat." "CANDIS:...whowas,like," "CANDIS:...whowas,like, works with adoption, and works with adoption, and stuff... stuff..." "KRIS:" "Oh,really?" "InL.A. ?" "KRIS:" "Oh,really?" "InL.A. ?" "CANDIS:" "InL.A.,yeah." "CANDIS:" "InL.A.,yeah." "She said adoption, you have to" "She said adoption, you have to disclose that you're trans to disclose that you're trans to the adoptive parents, and I get the adoptive parents, and I get that, you know, but it's just" "that, you know, but it's just like another thing that... like another thing that..." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:...dealtwith." "CANDIS:...dealtwith." "So, I don't know, I'm just a" "So, I don't know, I'm just a little discouraged." "little discouraged." "KRIS:" "Well,Idon 'tthink,I" "KRIS:" "Well,Idon 'tthink,I mean, I think the whole process mean, I think the whole process is discouraging." "is discouraging." "I mean, the whole thing." "I mean, the whole thing." "You know..." "You know..." "CANDIS:" "Justthewholething." "CANDIS:" "Justthewholething." "KRIS:..." "Ifeellike,Imean," "KRIS:..." "Ifeellike,Imean,  I've been dealing with Kim for" "I've been dealing with Kim for the last couple years, and her the last couple years, and her just... you know, the process just... you know, the process of, like, trying to get" "of, like, trying to get pregnant, and then going through pregnant, and then going through in vitro, and having all the in vitro, and having all the issues she had." "issues she had." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "KRIS:" "Andthen,friendsof" "KRIS:" "Andthen,friendsof mine who don't have anybody that mine who don't have anybody that they even date, they can't catch they even date, they can't catch a break, either." "a break, either." "CANDIS:" "It'snotatrans" "CANDIS:" "It'snotatrans thing, it's a human thing." "thing, it's a human thing." "KRIS:" "It'snoteasy,inany" "KRIS:" "It'snoteasy,inany shape or form." "shape or form." "I think if you're... if that's" "I think if you're... if that's in your heart, you should just in your heart, you should just go for it." "go for it." "Because it brings unbelievable" "Because it brings unbelievable joy." "joy." "CANDIS:" "Talkingto Kris,it" "CANDIS:" "Talkingto Kris,it made me realize that it's not made me realize that it's not just a trans problem." "just a trans problem." "A lot of female, cis women, have" "A lot of female, cis women, have these issues, too." "these issues, too." "Sometimes, maybe, life doesn't" "Sometimes, maybe, life doesn't turn out the way you think it's turn out the way you think it's going to, but you're gonna have going to, but you're gonna have to figure out how to move on" "to figure out how to move on and change your expectations and and change your expectations and your trajectory of your life." "your trajectory of your life." "I mean, I just feel like I have" "I mean, I just feel like I have so much to give to a little one, so much to give to a little one, you know?" "you know?" "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "You would make a great mommy." "You would make a great mommy." "I could see that, though." "I could see that, though." "You really would." "You really would." "I think you should go for it." "I think you should go for it." "And you don't even have to get" "And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat." "pregnant, you little brat." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) KRIS:" "Oh,that'sagood idea ." "KRIS:" "Oh,that'sagood idea ." "CAITLYN:" "Ta-da!" "CAITLYN:" "Ta-da!" "Fixed!" "Fixed!" "It's only in tape, but it's" "It's only in tape, but it's good!" "good!" "KRIS:" "I loveit ." "CAITLYN:" "Offto Mammoth." "(Ella whoops)" "(Ella whoops) (laughing, whooping)" "(laughing, whooping) CANDIS:" "Noonehas ever" "CANDIS:" "Noonehas ever challenged Caitlyn Jenner to challenged Caitlyn Jenner to anything that she hasn't stepped anything that she hasn't stepped up to the plate." "up to the plate." "ELLA:" "Kiss." "ELLA:" "Kiss." "Oh!" "Oh!" "(laughs)" "(laughs) CANDIS:" Presidentialhopeful" "CANDIS:" Presidentialhopeful Ted Cruz opposes equality for" "Ted Cruz opposes equality for transgender people because he transgender people because he thinks trans kids will molest thinks trans kids will molest his daughters."" "his daughters." ELLA:" "Ugh." "ELLA:" "Ugh." "JENNY:" "Republicans." "JENNY:" "Republicans." "Your people." "They don't like us." "Your people." "They don't like us." "CAITLYN:" "They'renotmy" "CAITLYN:" "They'renotmy people if they're against this people if they're against this issue." "issue." "Captioningsponsoredby" "Captioningsponsoredby  BUNIM-MURRAY PRODUCTIONS"