"RONDA:" "Youknow,you look really good today." "Can I take a picture?" "(chuckles)" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sseeit." "RONDA:" "Stop." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "RONDA:" "Oh." "Oh ,Ivideo'dyou by accident-- you want to see?" "(over phone):" "Hold on." "I'm not really good with this phone." "COURTNEY:" "Doyourfavorite pose." "RONDA:" "I hatemy voice." "COURTNEY:" "Oh,Ihatemine ." "I just hate it." "RONDA:" "I wantto showyou how  pretty you are." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tlookgoodin pictures." "RONDA:" "Yes,youdo." "CAITLYN:" "Unlessit 'sAnnie" "Leibovitz." "The only thing that bothers me about that, I really haven't heard my voice, you know?" "And any trans person, the voice is always, like..." "RONDA:" "Whatdo youmean?" "CAITLYN:...youknow,scary." "Well, you-you obviously don't have the feminine voice, and that kind of bothers you." "COURTNEY:" "There'savoice coach app." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "COURTNEY:" "Andit testsyour pitch and you can practice." "So you're gonna say the word" ""he" over and over." "CAITLYN:" "Whatis it ?" "COURTNEY:" He."H-E." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,"he."" "Eh..." "Just normally?" "Sorry." "Just-just say it normally?" "COURTNEY:" "Yeah." "Yeah,however you want to say it." "RONDA:" "Youneedalesson." "CAITLYN( cracking):" "He." "(laughing)" "RONDA:" "Crackingthevoice." "(laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "I gotto do it  again." "Wait a second." "(high-pitched):" "He, he, he, he." "One thing that's always a challenge for anybody is your voice." "That can out you every time." "You know?" "You look great, you look fabulous, and... (deeply): then you open up your voice, you know?" "And everybody goes... (gasps) "Oh, my God."" "Ha, ha, ha, ha." "COURTNEY:70%." "CAITLYN:" "Myvoicehas never been terribly bad, but it's-it's certainly not quite right." "He..." "ALL:" "He... (laughing)" "♪ ♪" "(birds chirping)" "(doorbell rings)" "(door opens)" "KIM:" "Lookat you." "CAITLYN:" "MyKimmy'shere." "KIM:" "Lookat you." "Are we wearing the same tank?" "Hmm." "CAITLYN:" "I thinkso ." "Hello, baby, I haven't seen little Malika in a while." "MALIKA:" "A while." "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou doing?" "MALIKA:" "Good." "Howare you ?" "I love your eyes." "CAITLYN:" "Haveaseat." "Um, talking about looks, honestly, this girl thing is a lot of work." "MALIKA:" "Yeah,it is ." "CAITLYN:" "Yes,it is ." "Do you have any feminine tips?" "Here we have two very feminine women." "MALIKA:" "Menandwomeneat very different." "As a woman, you have to be very mindful." "Like, I'm not saying you can never touch a rib again, but, like, the way you eat..." "CAITLYN:" "Touchtherib inthe privacy of your-your own room or anything, yeah." "MALIKA:" "Justsomethings,you know?" "Exactly." "CAITLYN:" "But,actually, that's a good tip." "MALIKA:" "Howareyou clearing the..." "You..." "Okay, you don't have on heels." "I was gonna say, if you're gonna clear this doorway, you know..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,justbecause you're-you're so short and you got to wear massive heels..." "MALIKA:" "No,butit'sjust  like you can't bend all the way to the side." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,please,look, plenty of clearance, girl." "Look at this." "Look at this." "MALIKA:" "I wasjusttelling her, she can't do that." "Like, it's not..." "That's fi..." "But when you have heels on..." "CAITLYN:" "Notevenclose." "Not even close." "MALIKA:" "Whenshewearsheels and they're, like, four or five inches..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tbe jealousof my height and start to put me down." "MALIKA:" "I 'mcompletely jealous of your height." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "Being feminine, you got to kind of learn everything." "Jenny Boylan did a book on her transition, and she had a statement in there and I... just" "I loved it." "And she says, "I never felt feminine, but I always felt female."" "And I'm, "Ah."" "That kind of hits the nail on the head for me." "KIM:" "Like,youneverfelt  feminine 'cause you're a tomboy." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,butIalways felt female." "KIM:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Butforsomany  years, um, you depress all of that." "All I want to do is just kind of slip into society." "One thing that I really need to work on is kind of that voice." "KIM:" "Well,at leastyour voice isn't that deep, so it's not like you're... (deeply): "Hello."" "CAITLYN:" "No,it 'snotthat deep, and I... it's okay." "KIM:" "Whataboutvocal lessons?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,youmay be able to, I think, with some training, 'cause a lot of people go through training." "In fact, um, I want to show you." "Here we go." "WOMAN( deeply):" "Whenthe sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism..." "CAITLYN:" "That'sbefore." "WOMAN:" "Therainbowisa  division of white light into many beautiful colors." "(high-pitched):" "Rainbow passage." "When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow." "KIM:" "Wow." "WOMAN:" "Therainbowisa  division of white light into many beautiful colors." "MALIKA:" "That'sabig  difference." "CAITLYN:" "Thatis ahuge difference." "KIM:" "Just,like,try out some voices, like, that are just a little lighter." "Have you ever tried, or is it gonna be too much work if you're like... (high-pitched): "Hi."" "CAITLYN:" "I usedto ,for years, like, if you called down for room service, okay, okay," "I'd be sitting there in my room, all by my little lonesome, and" "I'd think, "Okay, now, I'm gonna try to get my best feminine voice and call down so they say," "'Yes, ma'am.'"" "I could never do it." "KIM:" "Like,go ..." "Okay,try ." "Let's hear." "CAITLYN:" "What?" "KIM:" "Let'shear..." "Yeah." "I'll tell you if you get a "yes, ma'am."" "CAITLYN:" "Well... (chuckles)" "KIM:" "Frontdesk." "Hey, this is room service." "How can I help you?" "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Um..." "KIM:" "Orderbaconand eggs." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "KIM:" "Andan orangejuice." "And toast." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Um ..." "Yes, actually, you can help me." "Um..." "KIM:" "Yousoundnodifferent!" "CAITLYN:" "I didn'tthinkso." "KIM:" "No." "Sir,sir ,whatwould you like, sir?" "CAITLYN:" "Sir,yeah,what would you like?" "Yeah." "See, that's the problem." "Women cannot relate to the whole voice thing." "They don't see it as being that important when it is that important, not only for you just to speak and order and do all that kind of stuff but very important for your soul that you're feeling good about that." "There are things that you can do to change your pitch." "KIM:" "Really?" "Likewhat?" "CAITLYN:" "Surgery." "MALIKA:" "Whysurgery?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Iwas thinking about starting there..." "KIM:" "Surgerywouldscarethe" "(bleep) out of me." "MALIKA:" "Whatif youhad no voice at all?" "KIM:" "Whatif theymadea mistake and you, like, came out with no voice?" "(gulls crying)" "PRODUCER:" "What'sdifferent about tonight's girls' night?" "'Cause you've been doing girls' nights for a while, right?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Youknow,for a long time, I've been doing... having all the girls over." "But tonight we have all trans girls." "JENNY:" "Hello." "COURTNEY:" "Hi." "JENNY:" "I 'mlookingforthe  lady of the house." "RONDA:" "Jennifer'shere." "CAITLYN:" "Righthere." "COURTNEY:" "Theresheis." "JENNY:" "Hi,darling." "CAITLYN:" "Hey,baby." "Are you ready for this?" "JENNY:" "I amso ready." "I'm Jennifer Finney Boylan." "Caitlyn and I met when she was doing the Diane Sawyer special." "I'm an author and I'm a professor at Barnard College in" "New York City." "I'm also the co-chair of GLAAD, the LGBT advocacy organization." "I'm a transgender woman, and" "I've been married to my wife for 27 years, 12 as husband and wife and 15 as wife and wife." "CAITLYN:" "We'regonnadoa  little glam." "COURTNEY:" "Whatareyou  thinking?" "Like, what's your favorite way to wear your hair that you love?" "JENNY:" "Kindof like...kind of like this." "As befits the dignity of my station." "Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?" "CAITLYN:" "I wouldbe scaredto death to take your class." "JENNY:" "Oh,no ,no ,no ,no , no." "CAITLYN:" "I wouldbe ." "JENNY:" "Wecouldn'tcomefrom  more different worlds, you know?" "I am this New England academic, and, you know, she lives here in" "Malibu." "It's kind of freaky that we got to be friends at all, but here we are." "CAITLYN:" "Jenny,thisis looking so good." "JENNY:" "I canfeelmyIQ plummeting." "(laughter)" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no !" "COURTNEY:" "No!" "CAITLYN:" "Youdidn'tjustsay that!" "JENNY:" "It'sjustajoke ." "Everyone relax." "CAITLYN:" "Whatsizeare you ?" "I have something in the closet I want you to wear." "It's just a wraparound." "JENNY:" "Oh,Ithinkit's too formal." "CAITLYN:" "Tryit on ." "We'll leave you in here." "Try it on." "JENNY:" "Wait,whatwas that look?" "My paws and whiskers." "Did you just give me a look?" "You just gave me a freaking look." "CAITLYN:" "Ifyouwanttogo  with a great skirt..." "JENNY:( sighs)Well,Icould try it on." "For Caitlyn, being pretty, being beautiful, caring about clothes and makeup is really important." "But there are more important things than what you look like." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,youevengotthe purse!" "JENNY:" "I gotyourpurse." "CAITLYN:" "Lookhowcuteand adorable you look." "JENNY:" "Shehasthe problemof not knowing the community really well." "She's a stranger in some ways to the community." "Now, let me ask you this." "Nervous?" "CAITLYN:" "Offthecharts." "But pressure's good, something that's very positive to me." "Pressure makes me think." "JENNY:" "I invitedadiverse group of transgender women for" "Cait to meet and get a sense of our community." "However, Caitlyn is a person of tremendous privilege and power." "I'm a little afraid about what's going to happen when she meets a lot of transgender people who-who don't have the privilege that-that she has had." "(doorbell rings)" "CAITLYN:" "Andheretheycome ." "JENNY:" "Allright,let 'sgo get 'em." "CAITLYN:" "We'regonnadothis ." "(doorbell rings)" "CAITLYN:" "Andheretheycome !" "JENNY:" "Allright,let 'sgo get 'em." "CAITLYN:" "We'regonnadothis ." "Hello." "The first to arrive, baby, how are you doing?" "CANDIS:" "Hello." "You look incredible." "CAITLYN:" "Andso do you!" "CANDIS:" "Yay." "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou doing, babe?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mdoinggreat." "My name is Candis Cayne, and I'm an actress, showgirl, performer, high-kicker, high-stepper." "JENNY:" "I 'veneverbeenwith so many tall women in my life." "CAITLYN:" "Isn'tit great?" "You're the shortest one in the room." "JENNY:" "I know!" "Onesecond..." "CANDIS:" "WhenIstartedmy transition in '95, there was no manual, there was no way of, like, figuring out how to do it." "It was all kind of black market." "Get your shots from the corner store that had a, you know, a secret knock to get your hormones, you know, that kind of thing." "RONDA:" "I 'mRonda." "CHANDI:" "Hi,Ronda,I'm" "Chandi." "RONDA:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Hello." "DRIAN:" "Hi,oh ,my God,I didn't recognize you-- you look incredible." "CAITLYN:" "Well,Iknow." "I know." "Come on, let's go in the living room, we'll sit down." "CHANDI:" "Allrighty." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis so muchfun ." "COURTNEY:" "Theyhavealotto talk about." "CAITLYN:" "It'spronounced" ""Shardee"?" "Or..." "CHANDI:" "Chandi." "CAITLYN:" "Chandi,okay,with an "N."" "CHANDI:" "Like"Candy."" "CAITLYN:" "Okay..." "Igot toget 'em all right." "CHANDI:" "Thetransitionperiod for me-- it was rough." "Uh, totally a different journey than what Caitlyn experienced." "It was hard enough for my family to accept me being gay, but to want to be considered a woman-- that was, like, taking it to the next level." "CAITLYN:" "Youmadeit!" "JEN:" "Yes,Idid ,hi, how are  you?" "CAITLYN:" "Good,goodtosee you, thank you for coming." "Thanks for coming." "JEN:" "Mypleasure." "My name is Jen Richards." "I came out and transitioned about three and a half years ago." "At the time, I was the managing director of a contemporary classical chamber ensemble." "About that time, I also started engaging in activism." "I launched a Web site called" "We Happy Trans, which was designed to highlight positive trans experiences." "I was kind of tired of only hearing about trans people in their death." "I really wanted a chance to shine a spotlight on the people who are alive and doing great work today." "ZACKARY:" "Youlookincredible." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "DRIAN:" "I didn'trecognize her." "ZACKARY:" "Youlookreally, truly incredible." "CAITLYN:" "I appreciatethat." "CANDIS:" "It'sdifficultfor  somebody that has been so sheltered to understand the life of-of some trans women, but I think by asking us all to share our experiences, Cait's doing the right thing: she's learning" "from people who've lived the life." "CAITLYN:" "I amso excited about this evening." "Um, I got a lot to learn, you know?" "I've been out for two weeks." "CANDIS:" "Yay,welcome!" "CAITLYN:" "I 'ma baby, okay, yay!" "Okay." "Yeah, I'm talking all of your fantasies in life coming true when Vanity Fair was here, shooting." "Annie Leibovitz started crying." "JEN:" "Wow,amazing." "COURTNEY:" "She'slovingthis." "She's never had a girls' night like this." "RONDA:" "I know." "I feel kind of jealous." "DRIAN:" "Thisis reallyjusta monumental event, you know?" "I remember growing up with no trans people anywhere." "CHANDI:" "Right." "DRIAN:" "Andso ,to see somebody on the cover of" "Vanity Fair, on the Diane" "Sawyer interview-- that is changing for the children, especially." "JEN:" "Soinspirational." "DRIAN:" "I lovebeingatrans person." "It's a true gift." "And I always think about the youth who are suffering and who are in states where they can't transition, they can't live free lives." "You know, for them to see that you may be struggling right now, but that's not forever." "And there's definitely a light at the end of the tunnel, and you just have to be true to yourself and love yourself." "CHANDI:" "I lovehaving conversations with people who try to tell me that I'm going to hell for being secure in who I am, when God knew who-who I was before I did." "We bleed the same, so why not use love?" "Just love." "JEN:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "It'snotthathard ." "It's not that hard for us to be able to embrace things that we may not understand." "COURTNEY:" "Inthecommunity, do you think people are going to embrace Caitlyn and what she's done?" "Or do you think they're going to be envious?" "JENNY:" "Whatyoushouldexpect people to say is, "Caitlyn is a sweet, smart, good soul who wants to do good in the world, but has every advantage, every privilege in the world."" "And that the world is full of people that no one wants to take their picture." "JEN:" "Wecansupportan individual trans person and celebrate their authenticity and their-their place for dignity and what they do with their privilege while still calling into question a system that makes this particular story the one that we finally listen" "to while we've been ignoring the stories of black and Latina trans women, poor trans women, trans women." "Cait's experience of coming out is singular." "I-I don't think in history anyone has ever been so publicly welcomed." "For most of us, coming out is a really kind of terrifying, horrifying experience." "And it's a little discomforting that everything Cait says is gonna receive far more attention than anything anyone else in the community will say, and she has relatively little experience in the community." "So I think everyone is a little bit cautious." "CANDIS:" "Youknow,the trans community was invisible ten years ago." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Sothefact..." "JEN:" "ExceptforJerry" "Springer." "CANDIS:" "ExceptforJerry" "Springer." "JEN:" "MauryPovichand Donahue and..." "CANDIS:" "Exactly,andsoto actually... to-to be, as an actress, to be doing roles and, like, going to auditions-- that's, like, a huge thing." "JEN:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "But,like,thenyou have other stuff, like life and trying to pay rent and trying to get medical care." "I mean, you know, just last year" "I was trying to find a doctor to get hormones from." "You know what I mean?" "And I tried to go into the... to the LBG center, and they were like, "We're booked up."" "My girlfriend was like, "Come to my doctor."" "And I went in and the doctor said to her, "Oh, you're not bringing any more of those people in, are you?"" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "JENNY:" Thosepeople."" "CHANDI:" Thosepeople."" "CANDIS:" "AndIwas like," ""Wow," like, it's still happening, you know?" "CHANDI:" "Still,today." "CAITLYN:" "Really,that happened to you?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Yes,Cait,that happens all the time-- a day in the life of being trans." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "Hearing Candis' story is shocking to me." "Um, I can't believe some people would act that way." "Honestly, this is really scaring me." "I have been catapulted into the spotlight, becoming a spokesperson for the transgender community, but, oh, my God, what if people turn on me like that?" "RONDA:" "Dinneris served!" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,let'sgo, come on, let's go get something to eat." "DRIAN:" "Let'sdo it ." "JENNY:" "I-Iwilltellyouthat my... that my last name is" "Boylan" " Jenny Boylan." "There are... my students have not... have called me "J. Bo."" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "JENNY:" "WhichIthinkis very funny." "CHANDI:" "Well,Icamefrom the world of drag." "And I needed to come up with a name really quick, so I became" "Miss Chandelier, and then, as I decided to transition and become full-time, I felt like" "Chandelier was too dramatic for the daytime." "So I chopped it off to Chandi and it has stuck." "So that's kind of, like, how I got my name." "JENNY:" "Wow,that'sagreat story." "JEN:" "I don'tthinkany ofus can top that-- we should have gone with you last." "That's too good." "JENNY:" "I cannottopthat." "The first night you were ever in a room with with-with more than one transgender woman was..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,aboutanhour  ago, couple hours ago, yeah." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,that's amazing." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "I-Icouldn't." "CANDIS:" "That'samazing." "CAITLYN:" "I wasisolatedfrom the world, I couldn't do that." "'Cause I moved in here and then kind of had one little, uh, procedure after another, here." "CANDIS:" "Well,it 'sworked, honey." "CAITLYN:" "I know.(laughs)" "CANDIS:" "Whatevertheydid ,it worked." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,yeah." "CANDIS:" "Youlook...you look amazing." "CAITLYN:" "But,um ,actually, one of the things I've wondered about-- everybody seems to have pretty good vocal cords." "That's always been a concern for me, from the beginning." "JEN:" "Ah,interesting." "CAITLYN:" "Whathaveyou guys done?" "CHANDI:" "I haven'tdoneone  thing." "CAITLYN:" "ThankGod,girl,I like that, okay?" "CHANDI:" "Whenpeoplesay ,"Oh , you need to talk like this."" "Child, cheese, I don't have time to be trying to maintain that." "I feel like if you're gonna accept me, you're gonna accept me, so..." "JEN:" "I workedreallyhardon changing my voice." "DRIAN:" "Really?" "JEN:" "Oh,God,yeah." "My voice was lower than yours, much lower than yours." "Um, I did see a vocal therapist in Chicago" " God, I've never talked about this." "Um, but, yeah, I did see a vocal therapist and just learned some basic techniques to raise the pitch a-a little bit." "I just hated being called "sir"" "on the phone." "I hated being outed by my voice." "CANDIS:" "I waswalkingina" "New York subway and I was feeling grand prize and I was in my skirt and I was flipping my hair and this, like, woman walks by me, she's, like, limping-- she has, like, a cane." "So I hear a clunk, clunk." ""That's a man."" "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "AndIhearitlouder." ""That's a man."" "CAITLYN:" "Andjust..." "CANDIS:" "Andthenstarting going, "That's a man!"" "(laughter)" "And I..." "Oh." "ZACKARY:" "Andonceyou 've survived that, you realize that it's okay." "(laughter, overlapping chatter)" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,youcan survive anything." "ZACKARY:" "Confidenceis  contagious." "DRIAN:" "Yes." "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Totally." "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Right." "JEN:" "Guys,whatweneed is one straight male celebrity to stand up in public and say," ""Yeah, my girlfriend's trans." "She's a woman."" "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Doesanybody...does anybody know one?" "JEN:" "No." "Never." "CHANDI:" "No." "JENNY:" "Andthenarrativeis, it's so much more shameful than some other woman, you know?" "JEN:" "Yup." "Exactly." "DRIAN:" "Oh,yeah." "I was an immigrant, so I came to this country not speaking the language, not, you know, being familiar with anything." "CAITLYN:" "Wheredidyou come from?" "DRIAN:" "Mexico,andso,  acclimating to culture and being gender variant, um, you know, it was always really tough." "And, um, I had gone to college," "I had a degree, I was working, and my insurance didn't cover any of my transitional-related care." "And at that point, I was doing sex work." "That was the only way I could transition." "If I couldn't transition, I didn't want to live anymore." "I just didn't want to live a lie." "I wanted to be myself." "And I was asking the universe." "I was saying, "Change the way I see the world so I can see my way out of doing sex work."" "CAITLYN:" "Hmm." "DRIAN:" "SoIfeltreally horrible about that, that I really..." "CAITLYN:" "Haveyouevertalked to Janet Mock about it?" "DRIAN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Youshouldreadher book." "DRIAN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "That'showshe paid for it." "CHANDI:" "Caitthinksthat because she read a couple of pages in a book that she's in the know, but she doesn't get it." "She doesn't realize how common sex work stories are." "She could never understand how it would feel to walk in those shoes." "If she's going to become our representative, Cait needs to learn the struggle we all face." "CAITLYN:" "I saywe go to San" "Francisco." "We could rent a bus." "Like Priscilla." "JENNY:" "Seriously?" "JEN:" "LikePriscilla." "JENNY:" "Right,that's..." "How do we sneak you out of here?" "CAITLYN:" "Inatrunk." "Uh, could this be the paparazzi right here?" "RONDA:" "Isthispaparazzi?" "CAITLYN:" "Arewe moving?" "RONDA:" "Allright." "Yes ." "JOE:" "Finally." "RONDA:" "Jumpin ...behind..." "CAITLYN:" "Hello,girls." "(whooping and cheering)" "Hey!" "(applause and cheering)" "ANGELICA:" "I stillhaven't been able to access what you've been able to access so quickly." "BLOSSOM:" "Let'sjustbereal ." "It has something to do with your social economical status." "CHANDI:" "It'snotyour problem, but it would be great if you would just step up and let the people who are doing wrong know that they're wrong." "ALISON:" "Uh-huh." "JEN:" "I haveabunchof friends in San Francisco that I would love to introduce you to and hear some stories." "CAITLYN:" "Oh." "JEN:" "Oh,well,there'salso  an HRC office there, so I could introduce you to some of those people, too, and we can start talking about..." "CAITLYN:" "ExplainHRC." "JEN:" "Oh,HRCistheHuman" "Rights Campaign, which is one of the world's biggest LGBT advocacy organizations." "What you should really do is hear some of their stories about what they've been through." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we shouldgo there." "JEN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "I say we go to San Francisco." "(Jen laughs and claps)" "JENNY:" "Allright." "JEN:" "Well,areyou serious?" "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "What's holding us back?" "We could rent a bus." "A big camper." "JEN:" "Areyouserious?" "JENNY:" "Yeah,abus ." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,like" "Priscilla." "JENNY:" "Seriously?" "JEN:" "LikePriscilla?" "JENNY:" "Right,that's..." "CAITLYN:" "Allwe gottodois  sneak me out of here." "JENNY:" "Howdo we sneakyou  out of here?" "CAITLYN:" "Inatrunk." "JENNY:" "Thiscouldbefun." "CAITLYN:" "Roadtrip!" "JENNY:" "Roadtrip!" "JEN:" "Roadtrip!" "Yes !" "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "SanFrancisco,here we come!" "(laughter)" "(door closes)" "CAITLYN:" "Hey,babe." "MADDIE:" "WebroughtStarbucks." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God." "RONDA:" "Whatareyou wearing, you little...?" "MADDIE:" "A romper." "SPENCER:" "You'rewearinga romper." "RONDA:" "I 'mwearingaromper." "MADDIE:" "It'spromper,proper romper." "RONDA:" "Thankyou,honey bunny." "We need to start packing." "Five days." "CAITLYN:" "Fivedays." "RONDA:" "Soyouneedfour night outfits, bathing suits..." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,wait." "SPENCER:" "Yeah,bathingsuits." "MADDIE:" "Bathingsuits." "CAITLYN:" "Arewe actually doing bathing suits?" "RONDA:" "Yes." "There'sa swimming pool." "Which drawer is your... bathing suits in?" "CAITLYN:" "That'slike..." "MADDIE:" "Aretheyinhere ?" "CAITLYN:...thescariest thing I've ever heard." "RONDA:" "Youwanttobet?" "I've seen you in your bathing suits." "CAITLYN:" "Havingthe opportunity to go out with these girls, go on the road, pack all of Caitlyn's stuff is to me so freeing." "I've never gone on the road with just Caitlyn clothes." "I mean, it's just never happened, couldn't happen." "RONDA:" "Well,thisiscute  just for fun." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,that's-that's fun." "RONDA:" "Butyouneedasexy one for Candis." "MADDIEANDSPENCER:" "Who is" "Candis?" "CAITLYN:" "We'renotgoing there." "RONDA:" "Who'sCandis?" "CAITLYN:" "A girlthat'sgoing on the trip with us." "SPENCER:" "That'sit ?" "Do you find her attractive?" "CAITLYN:" "No,no ." "No ,no ,no ." "Well, she's a very attractive lady, yeah." "SPENCER:" "Whichone'sCandis?" "SPENCERANDMADDIE:" "Oh!" "RONDA:" "Andlookhow closeshe is next..." "Look." "Oh, yeah." "SPENCER:" "Oh!" "RONDA:" "Oh!" "Hotmama." "CAITLYN:" "Thesegirlswon 't give up, and I get it." "Candis is a beautiful woman, but as far as dating in the future" "I have absolutely no idea." "SPENCER:" "Mom,areyou going on the road trip?" "CAITLYN:" "Youshouldgo." "SPENCER:" "Mom,youreallyneed  to have some fun." "MADDIE:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "That'sexactly right." "You got all this work ahead of you, you got to move." "SPENCER:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yougetafewdays." "I'll keep her out of you guys' hair for a couple of days, yeah." "MADDIE:" "Yeah." "ThankGod ." "RONDA:" "No." "Wait." "Wait,wait ." "Wait." "MADDIE:" "Getoutofhere ." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,nottowork ." "You're coming for fun." "RONDA:" "Okay." "I've known Bruce for about 15 years." "Throughout those years, we've been friends." "We became quite close probably about three years ago when I first found out she was Caitlyn." "I started working for her, and she didn't have anyone really that she confided in." "It was for two years pretty much just the two of us, because it's been hidden and private." "I look forward to just having fun and relaxing." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "RONDA:" "Well,nowthatI'm going, I have to pack, too." "CAITLYN:" "Oh." "SPENCER:" "Yeah,youneedto pack." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat allthese bags." "My first trip." "All those bags, and I still don't know if I have everything." "RONDA:" "Whyam Icarryingall the bags?" "CAITLYN:" "They'reouthere." "They'll know." "RONDA:" "Whatever." "Oh !" "COURTNEY:" "Peanut?" "Peanut?" "Stay here." "RONDA:" "Sowhereare wegoing now?" "What's the plan?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we 'regonna rendezvous with the other girls." "COURTNEY:" "Uh-huh." "CAITLYN:" "Andwe 'regoingto get the bus." "I mean, this is like a big camper, you know, really cool." "RONDA:" "Oh." "Is thatweirdfor the other girls that we are not trans?" "RONDA:" "That'strue." "CAITLYN:" "You'retheonlycis girls on the trip." "RONDA:" "Whatdoes"cis"mean ?" "COURTNEY:" "Whatdoes"cis"" "mean?" "RONDA:" "Likesissy?" "CAITLYN( laughing):" "Whatdoes" ""cis..."?" "It means, um..." "COURTNEY:" "Sissy?" "CAITLYN:...menor womenwho  are not transgender." "You know those types." "COURTNEY:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Uh, could this be the paparazzi right here?" "RONDA:" "Isthispaparazzi?" "COURTNEY:" "Everybody,lookthe  other way." "CAITLYN:" "Everybody'sgonna split up." "RONDA:" "Oh,my goodness." "CAITLYN:" "Eversincethe" "Vanity Fair article came out, the paparazzi have been following me everywhere." "Some of my kids haven't even met" "Caitlyn." "So I really want to stay away from the paparazzi right now." "I don't want the crazy tabloid media to write stupid stories." "RONDA:" "Okay." "COURTNEY:" "Theneighborsare  gonna come out." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ,guys." "Let's just do it." "If I can just get out of town," "I'll have so much more freedom, 'cause they'll never figure out where I am and what I'm doing." "Are we moving?" "RONDA:" "Allright." "Yes ." "JOE:" "Allright." "Finally." "RONDA:" "Jumpin behind..." "Well, there is people." "Hurry, hurry, hurry!" "COURTNEY:" "Righthere." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,areweready?" "Is everything moved around?" "RONDA:" "Getin there." "CAITLYN:" "Arewe moving?" "RONDA:" "Allright." "Yes ." "JOE:" "Allright." "Finally." "RONDA:" "Jumpin ...behind..." "Well, there is people." "COURTNEY:" "Righthere." "RONDA:" "Hurry,hurry,hurry!" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,areweready?" "Is everything moved around?" "RONDA:" "Getin there!" "CAITLYN:" "Hello,girls!" "CANDIS:" "You'reso kind." "CAITLYN:" "Hello,babe." "How you doing?" "I'm excited." "We'll have a good time." "CHANDI:" "I 'mexcited,too." "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Candis,areyou  ready to go?" "CANDIS:" "I amso readytogo." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,good." "I apologize for the slow start." "JEN:" "It'sallexciting." "JENNY:" "It'snotyourfault." "CAITLYN:" "It'snot..." "Well, it is. (muttering)" "JENNY:" "Well,okay." "Maybe it's your fault." "JEN:" "Whatareyou talking about?" "Completely." "CAITLYN:" "You'rewrong." "JENNY:" "It'sbecauseyou 'reso gorgeous, that's it." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,that'sex..." "Is that what it is?" "Okay." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Thereit is ." "JENNY:" "Oh,my freakingGod ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yay!" "We have our camper!" "JEN:" "That'slike..." "That's like a tour bus." "CAITLYN:" "Thefunpartabouta road trip is that everybody's kind of forced to all be together, you know?" "Nobody's going anywhere." "And all the girls, I've noticed, are so excited about the trip, 'cause they've all transitioned a long time ago." "They're very rarely ever in a group with nothing but, you know, trans women." "Are we ready?" "!" "JENNY:" "We'reready!" "RONDA:" "We'reabouttostart moving." "CAITLYN:" "Firethisbig ... (cheering)" "COURTNEY:" "Vivala roadtrip." "CAITLYN:" "We'reofficiallyin a paparazzi-free zone." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'sfollowing us." "JENNY:♪ 100transgender" "Women on the wall" "♪ 100 transgender women" "On the wall" "Take one down... ♪" "(laughter, Ronda whoops)" "RONDA:" "Thisis fun." "JEN:" "Hadyouevermetany trans women before Caitlyn?" "RONDA:" "Nope,anditwasso great when I found out." "JEN:" "Yeah?" "One time, you called me and said, "Hey, well, what are you doing?"" "I'm like, "Nothing."" "And you're like, "Well, do you want to come over for a glass of wine?"" "And I was like, "Yeah, of course."" "And I'm thinking, oh, no." "He's not gonna... hit on me?" "(laughing)" "Literally changed my life." "Caitlyn told me her story that night, after a couple glasses of wine." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "RONDA:" "Becausewe allhave our issues and our problems." "And I'm like, "No, no, you don't even want to hear mine." "Like, mine are..." "No." "Mine are just, like, way too much for anyone to listen to."" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "RONDA:" "And...shekindof trumped mine." "I'm like, "Really?"" "CAITLYN:" "AndthereasonI came out to Ronda, um... good shopper." "(laughter)" "(Courtney speaks indistinctly)" "CAITLYN:" "I neededhelp." "I couldn't..." "I can't shop." "RONDA:" "Whowantsvino?" "Raise your hand." "(whoops)" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thereyou go." "RONDA:" "Okay,I'llget you a glass." "CHANDI:" "Thanks,Ronda." "RONDA:" "I 'ma partystarter." "Cheers." "Here's to the road trip." "CHANDI:" "Roadtrip." "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "♪ ♪" "COURTNEY:" "Lookat allher  color variations in her hair." "Unbelievable." "JEN:" "Isthatall natural?" "CANDIS:" "It'sallnatural, yeah." "JEN:" "Youwanttokeep it, lock your door at night." "Lock your door at night." "COURTNEY:" "I willcomeinand just..." "I will buzz off the bottom chunk." "CAITLYN:" "Oh..." "CANDIS:" "Let'sshow..." "I'll show my butt." "RONDA:" "Whydon'tyou put 'em  out the window?" "I'm just gonna spank your ass." "CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnado it ." "Ready?" "Ow!" "(glass shattering)" "(screams)" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "RONDA:" "No." "CANDIS:" "Oh,youspankedthe window out of the car." "CAITLYN:" "Whatthehellhave  you done?" "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow!" "The emergency exit fell out." "We have fresh air now, Cait." "That's why we did it." "RONDA:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,youdid itfor my benefit?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "(whooping)" "RONDA:" "Arewe athirdofthe way?" "CAITLYN:" "Nah...maybeabouta third of the way, yeah." "Jenny, where the hell are you going?" "(Ronda laughs)" "RONDA:" "Thisis likea'70s  ad." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat you." "Look what you found." "CANDIS:" "Poppy." "JENNY:" "A Californiapoppy." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis apoppy?" "RONDA:" "I didn'tgetarose ." "JENNY:" "Yeah,that'sright." "Oh, it's just for us trans girls." "You get that one." "RONDA( laughing):" "Oh..." "CANDIS:" "Yougetthe cis rose." "RONDA:" "What,'causeI'm a cis?" "CANDIS:" "I know." "RONDA:" "Sohereyou go." "Here, take advantage of it while you can." "CANDIS:" "Tryingto yukitup while we can." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "All right, everybody just pile back on the bus." "Let's get this show on the road." "JEN:" "Let'sgetthisparty started." "CAITLYN:" "I 'msureyou've heard a lot of stories." "CHANDI:" "I 'veheardplentyof stories." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Plentyof stories." "Working with young people has really given me a lot of drive, because their lives are just..." "CAITLYN:" "Now,is thisjust trans youth or gay..." "CHANDI:" "Thisis transand  gender nonconforming youth." "CAITLYN:" "Gotcha." "What's the big issue?" "CHANDI:" "They'rehomelessand  they're unemployed, so it's just gonna take a lot more." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JEN:" "I thinkif Iwas to focus on one area, it would be, like, entry-level jobs." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JEN:" "Justhave...sothat  these girls have some alternative if they want it." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Don't...alot of times, they can make more not working... with social programs than they actually can with an entry-level job." "JENNY:" "I 'dsaythegreat majority of people who are getting help are getting help 'cause they need help." "CAITLYN:" "Butyoudon 'twant people to get totally dependent on it." "That's when they get in trouble." ""Why should I work?" "You know, I got a few bucks." "I got my... my room paid for."" "JENNY:" "NowI'mworried." "Caitlyn has every right to be just as conservative as she chooses." "But many transgender men and women need social programs to survive, and that's nothing to be ashamed of." "Living in the bubble is an impediment to understanding other people." "If Cait's gonna be a spokesperson for our community, this is something she's gonna have to understand." "(women laughing)" "RONDA:" "Whatdo youthink about the whole..." "Candis and Caitlyn..." "COURTNEY:" "They'renotsitting by each other." "RONDA:" "No,butshe gavehera  big hug when they came." "When I talked to her about it, she... it's not like she blushes, but she's like, "Oh, stop!" "Stop!" "Let's stop talking about it."" "COURTNEY:" "I know,butshe 's probably nervous." "RONDA:" "Doessheevenknow  that we're on the same..." "COURTNEY:" "No,shehas noidea  we're here." "'Cause Candis is there and she's, like, doesn't know..." "You know, like, when you like someone and you have that electricity?" "RONDA:" "I 'mtryingto makeeye  contact with her and she's not looking." "CANDIS:" "Buttheydidn't say..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,comeon." "(Ronda laughs)" "Both of you, turn around." "(laughter)" "Our cis girls, just leave 'em up there." "RONDA:" "See?" "COURTNEY:" "Oh,see?" "She's like, "Leave 'em up there."" "(birds singing)" "CAITLYN:" "Wemadeit!" "It's the first stop." "CHANDI:" "Yay." "CAITLYN:" "Everybodyout." "CANDIS:" "No.(laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "Goahead,baby." "JENNY:" "Oh,wow,it's beautiful." "CAITLYN:" "Goahead." "COURTNEY:" "Lookat how there's, like, a little house in the woods." "Isn't that crazy?" "CAITLYN:" "Allright!" "Look at this." "JENNY:" "Wow,it 'sgorgeous." "JEN:" "Oh,my goodness." "JENNY:" "It'sbeautiful." "(Jen gasps, shrieks, laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "I broughtthemoose in for you." "COURTNEY:" "Oh,my God." "Come on." "JEN:" "It'sscreaming." "COURTNEY:" "Touchit ." "JENNY:" "Screamingat youwhen you walk in the..." "Touch it?" "RONDA:" "Ew,that'sjust creepy." "I can't look, just..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'ttouchit, it could bite." "JEN:" "Whatdiditfeel like ?" "JENNY:" "It'slikea..." "CANDIS:" "Wow,it 'sso  gorgeous." "CAITLYN:" "Now,Ronda,are you  cooking?" "(laughter)" "RONDA:" "Uh...nottonight." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "RONDA:" "I 'msorry." "'Cause this is my vacation, remember?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,right." "(Ronda laughs)" "RONDA:" "Well,don'tsay "Oh , right."" "JENNY:" "Let'ssitout here." "CHANDI:" "Oh..." "JENNY:" "SothisisCalifornia." "Beautiful view." "CAITLYN:" "It'skindofcold , yeah." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Nowwe 'retalking." "CHANDI:" "Thanks,Ronda." "CAITLYN:" "TheSantaCruz mountains." "CANDIS:" "That'sbeautiful, right?" "I love the smell." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,it smells really nice." "RONDA:" "Caitlyn'sfinallyout ." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mout!" "Yeah, this is the furthest I've been away from home." "Yay!" "(women whooping)" "JENNY:" "Bravo." "COURTNEY:" "Cheers." "CANDIS:" "Cheers." "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Tobe withall these girls who are so accepting of me and who I am is probably the most freeing thing I've ever done in my life." "Just to be out there... it makes me really look forward to the future." "CHANDI:" "Sohowdoesitfeel?" "CAITLYN:" "Itfeelsfree,baby ." "CHANDI:" "Right,right." "CAITLYN:" "Free." "To be here with all of you is nothing but good." "(Chandi chuckles)" "JEN:" "Feelinggood." "CHANDI:" "Allgood,all good." "CAITLYN:" "Nice." "(insects trilling)" "Looks like somebody already parked down here." "Was that you?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,it 'sthe..." "COURTNEYANDCAITLYN:... it's the smallest room." "CANDIS:" "Nobodywantstobe here." "CAITLYN:" "Actually,it is ." "It's very nice." "JEN:" "Thisis theroomI would've chosen, just for the record." "RONDA:" "We'llgetthe  honeymoon suite." "COURTNEY:" "Thisis my bed." "Get off my bed!" "RONDA:" "Oh." "Oh ,youfancy..." "CAITLYN:" "Whatareyou guys doing?" "I guess you girls have taken this room?" "COURTNEY:" "Well,no ,no ,no , no, no." "CAITLYN:" "There'sonlyone  bed." "RONDA:" "There'szero..." "CAITLYN:" "Wehadtwo separate beds downstairs for you, if you wanted 'em." "COURTNEY:" "Thatdoesnot sound good." "CAITLYN:" "Followme ." "COURTNEY:" "Downthere?" "CAITLYN:" "Hello!" "Ronda." "The guesthouse." "JENNY:" "Oh,my God." "COURTNEY:" "Wait,no ." "RONDA:" "Isthatreally?" "CAITLYN:" "Here'sthedeal:" "we're one short down there." "I think you should stay up here." "RONDA:" "What,me ?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Okay, everybody's got a room now." "RONDA:" "CanIjustsay something?" "Caitlyn." "You told me this was a vacation." "CAITLYN:" "You'redoingfine." "Everything's gonna be fine." "RONDA:" "Oh,great." "I'm gonna hobble down here to the bathroom in the middle of the night?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "(Ronda sighs)" "(crickets chirping, owl hoots)" "(Courtney whoops)" "COURTNEY:" "Chandi,we 'llmeet you in the hot tub." "CANDIS:" "I 'llseeyouinthe hot tub." "JENNY:" "Okay." "Bathing suit or naked?" "JEN:" "I 'mgonnawearmy bathing suit." "JENNY:" "You'regonnawearyour  bathing suit?" "JEN:" "Youcandowhateveryou want." "JENNY:" "Well,it 'llbe kindof awkward if I'm... if I'm..." "JEN:" "Notat all." "JENNY:...ifI'mnot wearing any..." "I'm gonna wear a bathing suit." "If you're gonna wear a bathing suit, I'll wear a bathing suit." "JEN:" "Okay." "JENNY:" "I won'tbe theonly trans girl... naked in the..." "So I'll put on a thing." "JEN:" "Okay." "COURTNEY:" "It'salittlehot,  so I'm gonna let myself in a little bit slow, 'cause it's, like, lobsters cooking." "CANDIS:" "Oh." "RONDA:" "Howhotisit?" "COURTNEY:" "Hottish." "RONDA:" "It's103." "JENNY:" "Cait,haveyou been swimming?" "CAITLYN:" "What'sthat?" "JENNY:" "Haveyoubeenswimming in your own bathing suit yet?" "CAITLYN:" "No." "Well, I've been in the bathing suit, but I haven't gone swimming yet." "JENNY:" "Youhaven'tbeenin the, in the pool?" "CAITLYN:" "No,Ihaven'teven  been in the pool." "It's too damn cold right now." "JENNY:" "It'sareally..." "For me, anyway, it was an incredible moment when I was like..." "CAITLYN:" "Toactuallygo swimming?" "To be honest with you, that'll happen at some point." "I'm in no rush." "JENNY:" "Itwill." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "I'm in no rush." "Yeah." "JENNY:" "I hearyou." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "This process of coming out doesn't happen overnight." "There are so many hurdles to overcome." "Every day, it seems like, you know, what about a" ""beijing-thuit"?" "(spits)" "PRODUCER:" "Bathingsuit." "CAITLYN:" "Bathingsuit." "See, I can't even say it." "It's hard for it to just, to come out." "Saying, "A bathing suit."" "But, you know, that's where I got to get, and that's gonna take time." "CHANDI:" "CanIsay how amazing everybody looks in their swimsuits?" "(Candis whoops)" "Okay?" "(indistinct chatter)" "RONDA:" "We'reoverflowing." "JENNY:" "It'salltheseboobs." "JEN:( laughs)It'sallthe  boobs." "(laughter)" "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "Little red light's on, camera's working." "Jenny: "Come on, let's get in the hot tub."" "I don't think I'm ready for that." "You have to realize, these girls transitioned years and years and years ago." "Um..." "I just don't know if I'm ready to expose myself like that." "Maybe down the line, I'll feel more comfortable with myself, but right now..." "I just can't see myself doing it." "Bedtime." "All right." "(golf ball pings)" "Wow." "It's just absolutely gorgeous." "I love a great view." "To me, a view is like freedom." "So, uh, Caitlyn being out for the first time is wonderful." "Well, the big question now is:" "does it make a difference... swinging a golf club... with boobs or not?" "Will I still be free enough to be able to swing the golf club?" "But I think in the putting department, I think it's gonna be very good, 'cause you can just kind of latch onto those little babies under your arm, right here, and get a nice putting stroke going." "So I'm optimistic about the future, 'cause I needed help on my putting." "(Caitlyn whoops)" "JENNY:" "Soareyou enjoying the ride?" "JEN:" "Yeah,of course,of course, it's..." "I don't know, I kind of almost take it for granted." "I spend so much time with trans women already, but Caitlyn's joy is kind of contagious." "Like that feeling when you're first out and everything is new." "JENNY:" "Yeah,yeah." "Yeah, no." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thatwas great, actually." "JENNY:" "Sowe 'regoingtoHRC today." "JEN:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Right?" "To see these trans women, many of whom have done sex work and who are gonna talk in a very vulnerable and personal way about that, and Cait needs to learn what the risks are to the community." "JEN:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Youknow,ifCait  emerges from this whole thing thinking that, you know, that it's... that womanhood is a party, or that being... that being trans..." "I mean, and we, you know, she's so happy, and it's so... it's so moving to see her so elated, you know?" "Um, but it's also, I'm afraid people will think that, you know, it's-it's just, you know, that... it's all about makeup and hair." "And yet there are all these trans women out there who are in real danger." "Transgender people often go through a kind of second adolescence." "And when you first come out, you can really find yourself acting, you know, like a giddy teenager." "The sad fact is that our community is in trouble." "Caitlyn, she wants to be our savior, but most people don't have what she has, and she may be oblivious." "JEN:" "I mean,that'swhy we're here." "JENNY:" "She's-she'seagerto learn, but, you know what, there are some times I'm not sure what... what gets through to her." "JEN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Beautiful!" "Caitlyn is out." "CAITLYN:" "I reallyhaven't done anything to alter my voice." "I know we talked about this last time." "JEN:" "Right,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis notwhatI looked like, okay?" "That's somewhat scary." "But what I sound like..." "JEN:" "Mmm." "CAITLYN:" "I 'veseensometrans people, they look great, and then they open up their mouth, and you go, "Oh, my God."" "JEN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I felt..." "Ifelt sorry for them, 'cause they were, you know, they had a real deep voice, you know?" "JEN:" "Yeah,Iknowgirlslike that." "CAITLYN:" "AndIwent,"God ,I don't want that for me."" "Because I do so much speaking." "JEN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,'cause there's all sorts of options on that." "JEN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "It'slittlethings that get into your head." "RONDA:" "Wegottogo." "CAITLYN:" "Well,let'sgo." "RONDA:" "Otherwise,we-we're gonna be late for the, um, meeting." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sdo it ." "JENNY:" "Dowe needtobring our bags?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,actually,you  know what the other good thing is?" "We get guys to carry our bags for us." "(laughter)" "I want to kind of keep it low-key." "I don't want to make, like, a big spectacle or anything like that." "Keep it low-key." "We're going in to the HRC place." "Now, you work with them." "JEN:" "Yeah,Ido, so..." "CAITLYN:" "Whatwouldyou like to accomplish?" "JEN:" "Primarily,justtohear  these girls' stories." "They're survivors of-of violence because they're trans." "We don't want to reduce them to these traumas, you know?" "CAITLYN:" "Right." "JEN:" "They'reso muchmore than-than these things that they've suffered." "But we also need to acknowledge what's happened..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,right." "JEN:...inordertolift the visibility of their stories." "CAITLYN:" "I amso amped." "JEN:" "Good." "Good,I'm glad." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JEN:" "Hi." "MAN:" "We'rereadytowelcome you with open arms." "JEN:" "Hi,I'mJen ." "MAN:" "Welcometo theHuman" "Rights Campaign-- just really carefully watch your step." "JEN:" "Allright,okay." "Thanks." "CAITLYN:" "Caitlyn." "Nice to see you." "Thank you for having us." "MAN:" "Goodto meetyou ." "(Jen laughs giddily)" "CAITLYN:" "Isthisyourfriend?" "ANGELICA:" "Yes." "Hello, gorgeous, how are you?" "Can I get a hug?" "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou ?" "ANGELICA:" "I 'mawesome." "CAITLYN:" "Sonicetomeet you." "JAY:" "It'sapleasuretomeet you." "Thank you." "ALISON:" "Hi,AlisonGill." "It's nice to meet you." "JENNY:" "I 'llsayit again,I'm  so glad to be here at HRC." "It's a pleasure." "LAYA:" "LayaMonarez." "CAITLYN:" "Niceto meetyou ." "BLOSSOM:" "I 'mBlossom." "JENNY:" "Howareyou ,Blossom?" "That's a pretty..." "BLOSSOM:" "Niceto meetyou ." "JENNY:" "Pleasureto meetyou ." "JEN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my gosh,where do we start?" "JAY:" "We'rereallyhappytobe  here today, talking with you and talking about sort of the issues that the community faces." "I mean, we're really honored to have some incredible advocates here, uh, today to talk about their personal stories." "ALISON:" "Youknow,mostpeople think that trans people are protected from discrimination across the country, and that's really not the case." "And it can really lead to all sorts of problems." "(others affirming)" "ANGELICA:" "I 'vebeen transitioning since I was 19." "I still haven't been able to access what you've been able to access so quickly." "When I first came out, I was fired from, like, four jobs in a row... once they found out I was trans, so I felt like I would never in my life choose to do sex work... but after being fired after so" "many jobs, what other choice did" "I have?" "WOMAN:" "Yeah,mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Thistypeof discrimination is all too common in the workplace for trans women." "We have to struggle to be employed, which is one reason why sex work is so prevalent in our community." "For some transgender women, it's the only work that we can get." "BLOSSOM:" "Wheneversomeone sees a transgender person, uh, the first thing they're gonna think is, "Oh, they're a prostitute."" "You know, I mean, it's sex work or whatever." "But what people don't understand is..." "CAITLYN:" "Isthatwhatthey 're gonna think of me?" "(laughter)" "ANGELICA:" "Notyou,girl." "BLOSSOM:" "Yeah,notyou ." "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,all ofa  sudden-- shock." "Wait a second." "BLOSSOM:" "Yeah,but,see ,what people don't understand is, the reason why some of us do turn to sex work is because people will not hire us." "ALISON:" "Mmm,that'sright." "BLOSSOM:" "I 'mgonnabe honest." "Caitlyn, when you came out, it was so mixed or whatever, because it seems like you have these transgender women of color who are going out here, and-and we're basically saying the same thing you were doing, and, like," "nobody wanted to hear it." "CAITLYN:" "No,okay,firstof all..." "BLOSSOM:" "Nobodywantedto hear it." "And, you know what I mean?" "And... you were... it was... it had something... (sighs)" "Let's just be real, it had something to do with your socio-economical status." "(others affirming)" "CHANDI:" "It'snotyour problem, but it would be great if you would just step up and let the people who are doing wrong know that they're wrong." "ALISON:" "Uh-huh." "BLOSSOM:" "I definitelyagree with that." "You're up there." "Come down and-and understand with everybody else." "CAITLYN:" "Monthsandmonths ago..." "I thought, "How could I make a difference?"" "And I'm thinking about my family, and I struggled..." "Damn it." "We're gonna go roller-skating." "(woman whoops)" "CHANDI:" "Putaringonit ." "CAITLYN:" "Ooh,waitasecond, we got to get our legs." "COURTNEY:" "Who'smore attracted to men?" "JENNY:" "Isthatahand ?" "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow." "You would feel so much more feminine if you were with a guy, you know?" "JEN:" "Wait,what?" "!" "CAITLYN:" "I canappreciatethe  male form." "Captioning sponsored by" "BUNIM-MURRAY PRODUCTIONS"