"Welcome to a time when there were no guitars and no drums... just synthesizers." "It was the 1970s." "The place was Britain... and our heroes were a maverick bunch of young pioneers... obsessed by Kraftwerk and science fiction." "All across the country these synthetic dreamers... would imagine the very sound of the future, yesterday." "And by the '80s, their dreams would become a reality... as Britain went synth-pop." "Welcome to a time when machines ruled the world." "By the 1970s, we were living in the future." "Our cities were going space age." "Victorian slums had been torn down... and replaced by ultra-modern concrete high-rises." "{\pos(192,055)}Entertainment also looked to the future." "{\pos(192,055)}Our cinema and television screens... were full of tantalising glimpses of a future... that seemed just around the corner." "{\pos(192,055)}Released in 1971... {\pos(192,055)}Stanley Kubrick's Clockwork Orange... {\pos(192,055)}was a futuristic and violent vision of concrete Britain..." "{\pos(192,055)}that captured the zeitgeist." "The film's soundtrack was composed by American synth pioneer..." "Walter, now Wendy, Carlos." "It would have a profound effect on a generation of would-be musicians." "That was probably a lot of people's maybe first time... they'd heard electronic music on the score to that film." "It made me forever associate classical music... with people getting their heads kicked in... {\pos(192,055)}which is kind of a bit strange." "The soundtrack to Clockwork Orange... {\pos(192,055)}fantastic synth sounds in that." "Big Moog synthesizer that Wendy Carlos used." "And there were all orchestrated." "Well, Wendy, who then said she was Walter..." "I never quite worked out what was going on there... was an absolute inspiration, you know." "{\pos(192,055)}The first time we had ever heard... {\pos(192,055)}that sort of absorbent synth bass sound... {\pos(192,055)}just raved about it." "Some of the people who would be future post-punk people... {\pos(192,055)}would listen to the three or four original compositions... {\pos(192,055)}that Carlos did on that soundtrack... that were much more sinister and foreboding." "There was a kind of linkage made there between those sounds... and the idea of a cold future, a bleak future... and that probably sunk quite deeply into the psyche... of a lot of young musicians at that time." "For a generation of electronic dreamers..." "Carlos's sound track would offer a glimpse... of an alienated synthetic future." "But the true divine spark would arrive on our television screens in 1975." "Tomorrow's World gave Britain its first glimpse of Kraftwerk... a German band who played only electronic instruments." "They would invade our shores later the same year." "We played one of our first gigs in 1975... {\pos(192,055)}of our English tour in Liverpool." "The Wings Over Britain tour... was playing the same night in the town." "That was also the reason why our hall was only half crowded." "All of our posters were stuck right next... to the posters of the Wings... so it made us proud of course, you know." "{\pos(192,055)}Amazingly they came to Liverpool in October of '75... and I sat in seat Q36... and witnessed the first day of rest of my life." "'75 was all the era of long hair... and flared trousers and guitar solos... and these guys all came out in suits and ties." "Two of them looked like they were playing electronic tea trays... with wired-up knitting needles." "And I was just... blown away." "It really, it was incredible." "We had no long hair, we didn't wear blue jeans... we had suits on, grey suits." "Short hair, you know." "And we looked like... the children of Wernher von Braun or Werner von Siemens." "We saw ourselves as engineer musicians... like that, instead of dancing... a voice on stage to arouse the girls, you know." "The interesting thing afterwards... there was a knock at our backstage door... it was a band." "They were called Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark." "And the leader, Andy McCluskey... was really astonished and happy... that he was meeting us in person." "And he said:" ""You know, guys, you have shown us the future!" "This is it!" "We throw away our guitars tomorrow... and buy all synthesizers"." "In terms of inspiring people... to not just have a synthesizer in their rock band... but to be completely electronic..." "I think you can never underestimate the impact of Kraftwerk." ""Trans-Europe Express" had the same impact on the synth-pop... as "Anarchy in the UK" had on people... who wanted to be punk rockers." ""Next year, Kraftwerk hope to eliminate the keyboards altogether... and build jackets with electronic lapels... which can be played by touch"." "In British music in the mid '70s... the synth was a remote beast." "Although they would become much cheaper later in the decade... a synthesizer then could cost as much as a small house." "They were associated with rich and technically gifted... progressive musicians." "Until punk came along, you had to be Keith Emerson." "If you wanted to be in a band... you had to have learned your instrument for at least 8 or 9 years... before you would dare come out and play it." "And it was simply the inspiration... of The Damned and The Clash that said... get up and do it, you know." "Do your best." "If it's crap, maybe the simplicity will get you through." "Whilst the music didn't concern itself with synthesizers... the attitude of the punk movement... would inspire those with an interest in electronic music... to do it themselves." "White riot, I wanna riot" "White riot, a riot of my own" "White riot, I wanna riot" "All the infrastructure around punk we absolutely loved." "{\pos(192,055)}It's just that the actual music we saw as being quite old-fashioned." "{\pos(192,055)}And I think they had been a bit of a one-trick pony." "So what we did was, we took the attitudes of punk... and give it a different context, ie... let's make music that nobody's heard before." "Across the country, small pockets of experimentation surfaced... inspired primarily by punk and Kraftwerk." "We were in my studio at home in south-east London." "One day I opened my e-mail inbox... {\pos(192,055)}there were 10 e-mails from a very disparate bunch of people saying... you've got to go to eBay now and buy this." "What it was Kraftwerk's original vocoder... which was being sold on eBay." "And it was the one that was used on Autobahn." "I thought, well, this is the equivalent for a guitarist... of getting Jimi Hendrix's guitar that was used on Purple Haze or something." "TVOD" "I first got a synthesizer in 1977." "And I bought a second-hand Korg 700S... from Macari's Music Shop in Charing Cross Road." "The thing that pissed me off about punk... was you had to learn three chords to be in a punk band." "If you had a synthesizer, all you had to do was press one key with a finger." "I don't need a TV screen" "I just stick the aerial into my skin." "Advances in technology in the late '70s... heralded the invention of the affordable synth... costing no more than an electric guitar." "Daniel Miller used his to form The Normal... an experimental act that supported punk groups." "Miller drew on the work of English author JG Ballard... whose Crash was another futuristic vision of Britain." "Warm Leatherette" "I'd just broken up with a girlfriend... who I was very much in love with... and a friend of mine said, read this book." "And I read it... and it really had a huge..." "I'm using all these puns, like impact." "But it did have a huge impact." "See the breaking glass in the underpass" "It wasn't like science fiction in the sense it was outer space and stuff like that." "It felt like it was five minutes into the future... and I loved that aspect of it, the fact... it was so outrageous, but so possible at the same time." ""Warm Leatherette" by The Normal." "The Normal was the alias of Daniel Miller." "The lyrics are just a precis of some of the concepts in Crash, Ballard's novel, which was about people... who have car accidents... and find that thereafter their sexuality has been diverted... and they are obsessed with being turned on by car crashes." "So you had the lyric like, "The hand brake penetrates your thigh... quick, let's make love before you die."" "The music was supposed to be visual." "Like driving along a highway... with big buildings either side and going into a tunnel." "There's quite a lot of humour in it really." "It wasn't meant be apocalyptic or dystopian." "Miller was one of Britain's first synth poets." "And he wasn't alone." "In the north of England... a bunch of computer programmers dreamt of a similar feature." "We loved JG Ballard." "In fact, Roxy had a song, To HB, about Humphrey Bogart... and we had a song, 4JG, which was about JG Ballard." "The Future were a bunch of sci-fi nerds from Sheffield." "They formed in '77 and played only synthesizers." "When I bought my Korg 700S... in 1976... it was the first time there was a monophonic synthesizer... which you could do stuff with which was kind of domestic level... entry level, in terms of price." "It was £350, I think." "And I remember distinctly thinking at the time..." "I with a computer operator, there was a decision day... where it was either buy a second-hand car and learn to drive... or go and buy this monophonic synthesizer." "And that proved to be quite a fateful day... because I still can't drive." " But I've still got that synthesizer." " This is a Mini-Korg 700S... and was the first affordable synth." "Fantastic machine." "Completely eccentric." "Listen to voice of Buddha" "They give you a book of patches with it, because it was Japanese... there would be things like Synthy Cat or Funny Frog." "And you can't follow why it's doing what it does... but it sounds great." "Usually with a synthesizer, you can get it to do something for you." "You don't have to be manually good at all." "That was why we turned to them in the first place... cos noone could learn how do the guitars either." "We'd all tried." "My brother's a great guitarist and he tried to teach me." "It just hurts your hand." "So we use these things... you can press a switch on, and they'll do things for about 10 minutes." "It's quite interesting." "If you've got a tape recorder... you can put it down, put something next to it and it will sound all right." "The day that I joined the band..." "Martyn came round my house and he had two records under his arm... one was Trans-Europe Express and one was I Feel Love." "And he said, "Look, WE can do this." I think that was his actual phrase." "We loved all that stuff." "The concept albums that Giorgio Moroder did with Donna Summer." "We used to play those continuously." "This wasn't some kind of post-gay ironic thing." "It's because they sounded great and interesting." "You were never really sure what the next set of sounds coming up was going to be." "I Feel Love just didn't sound like any record that had been before." "It came on the radio and you couldn't quite believe... what you were hearing." "It was hypnotic, but it was driving." "Moroder's mood music was the disco single of '77." "Its success would set the template... for the future of the future." "We were in fact much more influenced by Moroder... than we were by Kraftwerk." "Everyone ever since anyone that knows we used synths..." ""Oh, you sound like Kraftwerk, don't you?"" "We use the same instruments... so some of the sounds are a bit the same." "But we never really wanted to be Kraftwerk... we wanted to be a pop band." "We wanted to embody a sense of futurism... without being so literal." "It just so happened a friend of ours... he had bought for him this science-fiction board game called Star Force." "And it was prodigiously tedious." "It was real geek stuff." "It was impenetrable." "You couldn't play it." "There was "The Rise of the Human League", or something." "And I thought, The Human League, that is such a cool name." "The Human League set out to make electronic pop... for the modern city." "The Human League have a totally different spin on synthesizers... where it was much more like this bright technocratic optimism thing." "In fact, in one of their early songs, Blind Youth... they make fun of people who go on about dehumanisation." "I'd say most of the brightness came from Martyn." "Martyn's very optimistic... and if anyone's moaning about anything..." "Martyn will go and write a song in the opposite direction." "I think I felt a bit gloomy about the concrete jungle and everything... which is ridiculous, cos I'm a townie." "I gravitate towards concrete..." "If you put me in the country I would find the nearest town... and I'll be sitting in a bar quite quickly." "Unfortunately, British pop music wasn't quite ready... for a synth-led group of futurists, just yet." "But in 1978..." "The Human League weren't the only group experimenting... with electronics in Sheffield." "This is the old Psalter Lane art college... which used to be part of Sheffield Polytechnic in the 1970s." "{\pos(192,055)}I believe The Human League also played this very place... {\pos(192,055)}for their first-ever live show in Sheffield." "Cabaret Voltaire did perform in this very room." "Yeah, we just thought there was nothing for us." "It was all kind of bloated super groups... and progressive bands... who weren't even from the same kind of social backgrounds." "They were probably public school educated... whereas most of the scene in Sheffield was pretty solid working class." "You'd find little bits of interesting music... within perhaps some of the prog rock stuff... where there'd be a weird little synth break." "But then once you kind of started to discover... all the German bands, you realised that there were entire albums... that were made of electronics." "Whilst The Human League dreamt of pop..." "Cabaret Voltaire were anything but... using electronics to explore Sheffield... a city torn between the past and the future." "I remember watching loads of science fiction things in the '60s... like Doctor Who and things like Quatermass." "And all these kinds of strange things seemed to happen... in old gasworks or industrial environments." "There was an other-worldliness about it." "You might see an alien or a giant blob creeping across the floor... glowing bright green from radioactivity." "A very arty group, obviously their name echoes Dada." "They were really into William Burroughs... and ideas like control and surveillance." "They actually used quite a lot of guitar, but it was so heavily processed... it didn't sound like rock 'n' roll guitar... it sounded more like a synthesizer." "They also put synthesising-type effects on the voice... which is probably one of the most disturbing things they did." "You have a guy singing, but it sounds more like a dalek... than a human being." "At night-time, you'd hear distant booming noises... with which would probably be something like a drop forge... or steam hammer or something." "You certainly knew that you were on the edge... of heavy industry." "Everything in their music is alienated... the music that comes from people who are divorced from natural life... any natural rhythms." "The music for a hostile environment." "If I've ever been asked to explain that movement, I always call it... the "alienated synthesists"." "Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire..." "Joy Division who were up a little bit less obviously synthy." "Everyone was sort of like that." "We were all going around in long coats from second-hand shops... and saying how terrible things were, with a synth." "Across the Pennines, another pocket of alienated synthesists... dreamt of an electronic future... in the spiritual home of British pop music." "We are in Mathew Street in Liverpool... and I am actually standing outside of the door to what used to be Eric's Club... {\pos(192,055)}which is where we played our first gig... where we invented OMD to play at this place." "And it was the club where we all used to come." "The Bunnymen and the Teardrops played within a month of us playing here as well." "This was the place I saw Devo play their first English concert." "And all of the influential bands that we could get to come to town played here... apart from Kraftwerk who played the big theatre down the road." "And then literally 10 yards away is the Cavern Club." "We've got Eric's and the Cavern right across the road from each other." "When Paul and I started being interested... in electronic music, we were very young." "We had no money... and it was totally unrealistic to think about getting... the big kind of keyboards you saw on TV or on stage... with some of the keyboard players in the '70s." "My mother had a Kays mail order catalogue... and they had some synthesizers." "Our first Korg Micro-Preset... was bought from my mother's catalogue... for 36 weeks at £76 a week, I seem to recall." "This was the first synth, and we'd made the first two albums with this." "{\pos(192,055)}It's like, it's quite a basic synth." "Can you believe that's the record?" "The major record labels largely ignored synth music... forcing bands like OMD to look to newly reformed indies instead." "In 1978, OMD would sign to Factory." "A movement of sorts was beginning to coalesce." "I think the first wave of bands... that sort of came out of the closet in a late '70s... we were all working independently of each other." "There was no unified movement... it didn't all start in one club or one town... there was no gang of people who all had a manifesto... that we were going to do the new British electronic music." "It was small pockets of people in different parts of the country... who were independently obviously listening to the same things." "I did make an electronic drum machine... because I'd seen Kraftwerk with their sticks." "So I thought, I can make one of those." "And so I did." "Some of the early synth drums... was this very Heath Robinson-looking box... with all these plates on there with these sticks with wires... that we did the drums to Electricity." "We were horrified when Tony Wilson said:" ""What you do is the future of pop."" ""Pop?" "We were experimental German influenced... we are not pop at all!" "How do you call us pop?"" "We were absolutely mortified." "We couldn't see it at all." "Totally by accident, Paul and I... and I guess others at the time had distilled... the electronic experimentation... and the glam pop of Britain from just a few years and earlier... into what was going to become... which didn't seem at the time, but what was going to become... the future of pop music." "By the start of 1979... the future of pop music seemed a long way off... as the combined efforts of The Normal, OMD... and The Human League had failed to trouble the charts." "But dabbling in synthesizers was becoming increasingly de rigueur." "Even for dyed in the wool punks." "At the other end of the East Lancs Road... another Factory band, who would become one of the greatest electronic acts... were taking their first synthetic steps." "The first synthesizer we had in Joy Division... was a little thing called a Transcendent 2000." "I actually built it from a load of components." "At the time I had insomnia, I couldn't sleep very well... so I used to get this magazine called Electronics Today, something like that." "And in it was this synthesizer." "And if you were to buy one in those days... it was incredibly expensive, and we didn't have any money." "So I thought, this is really cheap, it's only 200 quid..." "How difficult can it be to build it?" "And it was like..." "Soldering components by hand." "It took about two months of doing that." "And then it didn't work incredibly well." "I remember we went to write a track in the studio called Cargo... in Rochdale." "And when we went it... we found a little Woolworths organ... that you switched the battery power... switched it on and it blew a fan." "You could play chord buttons on it." "So I was messing about with these chord buttons." "And then Martin Hannah I think had brought in a Solina string synth." "What?" "You can play more than one note at a time on it!" "So I got the organ and the synthesizer... and hit these chord buttons and wrote Atmosphere... a Joy Division track." "I seemed to write it there in the studio." "I think we wrote the music... and then Ian wrote the words that night... then we recorded the vocals the next day." "Which is amazing when I think about it." "Whilst it seemed the north had the lead in post-punk synth pioneers... things were also stirring down south." "John Foxx was the former lead singer of Ultravox." "He worked in Shoreditch in London's then unfashionable East End." "These modular synths were the first generation... really of working synthesizers." "And then the companies decided to make a cheap version of it... because no-one could afford these... or very few people could afford them." "And they condensed all that down into this." "London seemed almost empty in the '70s..." "I used to walk around the streets, newspapers blowing around... cars in the distance and great concrete walls... and everything seemed grittier... and lost somehow like we'd lost direction." "I'd wonder what that was about." "I wasn't angry about it any more... as we were supposed to be as punks." "I just wanted to make music for it... the kind of music that I could hear." "Underpass, is such a ?" "the underpass... with the sodium lights and you might be mugged... it's very '70s dystopian." "The spectral city." "This was the industrial bit of London... that had served the docks and done some manufacturing... and both of which have gone." "It was like living in a Quatermass movie... because I realised and discovered that underneath all of this area... are the plague pits where the bodies were thrown." "That inevitably leaks into your music." "That is why a lot of my music is so dark, I think..." "I come from Lancashire and where did I end up... but in a place even more sinister." "Fox's music wasn't the only synthetic portrait... of the '70s metropolis." "An experimental group of artists... known as Throbbing Gristle... had been forging their own electronic industrial sounds... in their Death Factory down the road in Hackney." " Grim." " It was grim... it was very run-down." "The factory was an old trouser factory... and it was near London Fields." "In the basement we were level with the plague pits... that is why it could called the Death Factory." "{\pos(192,055)}There was still a lot of antagonism leftover... {\pos(192,055)}from, I know it sounds unbelievable, but post war... there were still people there like the park keeper... who used to be one of Moseley's brown shirts." "It sounds a cliche now but at the time... we were trying to reflect the sounds around us... in some weird way." "Our studio was in like an industrial area... and there were different noises going on all the time." "We were trying to reflect all these sounds... and the way they all come together... in this weird mishmash of electronic experimental textures." "We felt a kinship with a lot of bands especially Sheffield bands." " Yes, Cabaret Voltaire, those people... but the kinship was the fact that we were all independent." "Chris Carter in Throbbing Gristle... was a nut for Tangerine Dream and that kind of music... so there were hypnotic dreaming electronic Throbbing Gristle tracks... that were pretty in a funny sort of misshapen way." "I had the synths... and because they were homemade synths... they weren't bought off the shelf... they went Rolands and Korgs, they sounded quite unique anyway... they didn't sound like regular synths." "And then I built this effects unit..." "I saw this design in Practical Electronics." "You could combine all the effects together... and put a guitar through it or a voice or anything." "I started building these units for Throbbing Gristle... and called them Gristlisers." "We were never punk, we are not punk." "We were an industrial experimental music band." "Come 1979, British electronic music... was still being ignored by mainstream labels." "So, Dan Miller, founded Britain's first electronic indie:" "Mute... to release recordings by kindred spirit, Fad Gadget... as well as his own work." "I wasn't interested in rock music." "I really was only interested in electronic music." "I thought that was the future... of where exciting music was going to come from... and I wanted to part of promoting that." "One of Mute's first releases would be strangely prescient." "I came across an old Chuck Berry songbook I had at home... and I thought, "I wonder what that sounds like done on synthesizers?"" "Everybody said, "You've got to release it, it's amazing."" "I thought, "OK, what shall I do?"" "It doesn't fit in under the normal kind of name." "And then I thought... what about if there was a group that were all teenagers... and their first choice of instrument was a synthesizer... rather than a guitar because that hadn't happened yet." "John Peel, I had given it to him..." "I was listening to the radio with a couple of friends... he said, "We've got 3 versions of Memphis Tennessee... one is the original, the other two covers... one is really terrible and the other is really great"." "I thought, "Oh, God." Fortunately, he liked mine." "That was one of the biggest moments of my entire career in music." "That's the end of tonight's programme... in which you heard the Desperate Bicycles, The Slits..." "The Mekons, Alternative TV, The UK Subs and Sham 69." "More of the same unpleasant and desorientated racket... on tomorrow night's programme." "Until then, from me, John Peel... good night and good riddance." "Getting your record on the Peel show was one thing." "But nobody was ready for what happened next." "What sort of make-up do you put on?" "You appear very white." "It's all natural." "It's Max Factor pan stick... and it's 28 which is natural, not white make-up." "And then I just powder that with skin tone powder... and then just eyeliner." "On 24th May 1979... the future finally arrived." "He was a punk, he loved sci-fi." "He even read JG Ballard, but most impressively..." "Gary Numan was on Top Of The Pops." "I wish magic was real... {\pos(192,055)}I wish fairies were real and all of that kind of stuff." "{\pos(192,055)}I love all that sort of thing." "Probably never grow up, I suppose, from that point of view." "{\pos(192,055)}The first time he was on Top Of The Pops... {\pos(192,055)}Either she phoned me, or I phoned her, "Are you watching?" "{\pos(192,055)}Have you seen this man, he's fantastic"." "The look and the sound was so different." "Just sort of alien, wasn't it?" "I was in a lot of trouble at school." "I was sent to a child psychiatrist and things like that... which turned out to be apparently Asperger's." "I felt more comfortable on my own." "The classic loner, I suppose... didn't go out drinking, didn't go out clubbing too much." "I went to a studio to make a punk album... which would have been my first album, and when I got there... in a corner of the studio there was a mini Moog." "Luckily, it had been left and the sound... which was a huge big bassy thing and the room shook." "I just realised you can press one key... and all of this other stuff happens." "There was a massive amount of power in them... and depth that I had never heard." "I'd never heard of anything like it before." "One note." "People like ourselves and Cabaret Voltaire and The Human League... had all got used to the fact that we existed... and there was somebody else sharing our space... and then along comes... who, I guess at the time we thought was Johnny come lately." ""Who the hell is this guy from London... who is on telly and having a massive hit record?" "Never heard of him"." "Numan was Britain's first synth pin-up." " Hello, Gary." " Hello, Sarah." "My friend Cheryl read in a newspaper... that your mum does your hair." "Is this true?" "Yes, that's right." "She's been doing it since I was about four." "All right, thank you." "Bye-bye." "Did she put the streak in the side as well?" "I really liked Gary's music." "I think he made the best records at that time." "I think, he, if anyone, he really condensed it... into a form that was perfect at that point." "Numan would immediately show that his number-one success... was no fluke." ""Cars" was part eulogy to JG Ballard... and part testimony to living in '70s London." "I was in my car... and a couple of men in a van swerved round me, pulled up in front... got out and were clearly going to give me a bit of a hammering." "Trying to get me out, kicking the car... screaming and shouting." "I was pretty scared." "I locked all my doors and ended up driving up onto the pavement... and shot along the pavement because I couldn't go anywhere." "People obviously leaping out of the way." "I was in a bit of a panic." "Cars is just about feeling safe... in amongst people in a car because no one can get to you... you're in your own little bubble." "I was gutted when Cars came out." "I thought it was really good." "All this time we were convinced... it was just a matter of time before we had a number one record... part arrogance and part stupidity... and then somebody comes out of the blue and does it." "With sales totalling in excess of ten million..." "Gary Numan was a new kind of pop star... but being at the front of the synth way... had inevitable drawbacks." "The Musicians Union tried to ban me... for, I think, the first year when I was around... because they said I was putting proper musicians out of work... although I had to be a member to get on Top Of The Pops." "Caused me loads of grief, actually." "The music press were pretty harsh." "It wasn't rock 'n' roll." "It wasn't honest... it wasn't working class, it wasn't worthy... it wasn't earthy it wasn't real, it wasn't sweaty... it wasn't manly." "It was pretentious... pseudo intellectual." "I am absolutely convinced that Numan's career... was shortened by... a nasty, nasty, vitriolic journalism." "But, again, what had there been before me?" "It had been punk." "The whole anti-hero thing." "Not only was I doing electronic music... which they wasn't pleased with anyway... but I'm standing up saying I want to be a pop star, I love it." "All this anti-hero stuff before that..." "I wasn't anything to do with that." "I want to be famous." "I want to be standing on stages... and I don't speak for the people because I don't even know them." "The decade would end with Numan... as the unlikely synth-pop hero come good." "What lay around the corner would see the synth transformed... from post-punk experimental tool... into THE pop instrument of choice." "As the 80's dawned, the future finally arrived... and it wasn't going to be alienated." "A shift to the right heralded a new era in Britain... an era in which prosperity and material wealth... would be vaunted above all else." "There would be no room for experimental dreamers... in the me decade." "You were a success or you didn't exist." "The big hit of 1980 was Visage... whose Fade To Grey followed fast on the heels of Numan's success." "It seemed the future had passed The Human League by." "I think there were three number-one hits." "Certainly Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin..." "Gary Numan and I think the Flying Lizards... might have been number one with Money... and I stood there, I think we'd done a couple of LPs and I thought:" ""We've blown it."" "We now look like the also-rans... and everyone has taken the idea and done a lot better than us." "I turned up the studio one day to be told I was being thrown out of the group." "And it was a bit like School Of Rock... with Jack Black going, "You can't throw me out of my own group"." "We'd released Reproduction and Travelogue... and done all this touring." "There was a nagging undercurrent of dissatisfaction... from the record company that they weren't selling as many records as they hoped." "I think I'd made a big effort on a photo session... and Martin hadn't even turned up." "Suddenly, I was hearing these stories... that Martin was never ever going to appear on a stage with me again... which I think he only said because that was what Bryan Ferry had said... about Eno in legend." "Whilst The Human League were crumbling... something was brewing in the most unlikely of places." "Basildon was a new town." "Built for the post-war East End overspill... it wasn't one of pop music's more romantic places." "But a bunch of kids were going to ditch their guitars... and reinvent synth music as pop." "When we were growing up, Basildon was a violent town." "We had the highest crime rate for five years on the trot." "I can remember going back to Basildon... and going down to the pub with some friends... and I had, you know, black nail varnish... {\pos(192,055)}going to the bar and ordering a drink." "{\pos(192,055)}I had forgotten about it isn't even thinking about it... and some guy said to me:" ""What the fuck have you got on your fingernails?"" "Depeche Mode formed in 1980." "They had a spot at their local disco." "Croc's was a really ordinary disco." "There was a crocodile, yeah." "It was quite a sorry looking animal but it was alive." "They had this night once a week where they'd play things... like The Human League and Soft Cell... and also bands would appear there." "When I first started playing synthesizers... it would have been The Human League or OMD... their very first album." "I was a big fan of Daniel Miller's work... as the Silicon Teens and as The Normal... and also Fad Gadget who was on Mute records." "Vince was sort of the boss of the band." "He was unbelievably driven." "He earned £30 a week in the yoghurt factory... and save £29.70, a week... to save up to buy a synth." "He forced the pace." "This actually was the original Depeche Mode drum machine... that we used for Life." "Dave's job before his song was to set the tempo." "Number 7 would be fast, number 2 would be slow, etc." "I owned Autobahn... that was really what got us to go out... and buy our first synthesizers... the whole things that were happening around the time with Kraftwerk... and even early Human League stuff." "I was really happy that the first time I heard them... was when they played live." "It was fantastic." "They started and I thought, this sounds interesting." "There were four little mono synths... teetering on beer crates." "They had a fan base with them... and their fans weren't watching the band, they wear just dancing." "Miller first saw Depeche Mode supporting Fad Gadget... in east London and signed them to Mute." "None of us knew what we were doing." "By the time I met Depeche we had just released our first album." "Compared to them, I was an experienced industry person... but actually I knew nothing." "You know, they needed a bit of help in the studio... so I introduced them to some ways of working using sequencers... they'd never used a sequencer before everything was played by hand." "This is the legendary Arp 2600..." "I bought it second-hand in 1979." "It was being sold, one of three being sold by Elton John's road crew... after a world tour." "These were used on all the Depeche Mode albums I was involved with... especially on the first album... where it was really one of only two synths that we used." "You can hear it going out of tune on that note there." "It's not really in tune at all..." "Depeche Mode would prove to be the real silicon teens." "The combination of sex appeal and synthesizers... would make them one of the biggest pop acts of 1981." "When Depeche Mode, when we were gigging... we'd all carry our synthesizers and I, for some reason... had to buy the heaviest synthesizer out of all of them, you know." "We didn't have cars or anything, we'd be on the train... and this really is quite heavy." "So I'd have this thing under my arm, Fletcher would have a Moog..." "Martin had a Yamaha, I think, on the train." "When we did our first Top Of The Pops we were on the train with these our synthesizers." " You got the train to Top Of The Pops?" "From Basildon to Fenchurch Street... and then on the underground." "But like Human before, it wouldn't all be plain sailing for Depeche." "I think... you've got to remember that during our pop period... we had lots of fans and a lot of people liked us... but there were a lot of people hated us." "Certainly the 80's was a real old battle royal... between us and journalism in general, music journalism." "It was just really, you know, pop." "You know, I think..." "I can understand why people hated what we did looking back on it now, it wasn't just the sound... it was... we were young kids and we just did anything that came along." "Every TV that we were asked to do, we did... and it didn't matter how stupid it was." "She said "Do you think he might give me a kiss before the end of the day"... and I said, "Ask him yourself." But if I ask you, you might... if I turn my back you might just..." "Well, there's something very un-British... about electronic music to start with." "They want bands to be like they were in the 60's: 4 guys... guitar, bass and drums, pretty lead singer... skinny jeans, you know, conventional kind of thing... that's really what sells newspapers, I guess." "They'd written Depeche Mode off anyway as a teeny-bop band... a one-hit wonder, especially once Vince left... they thought "Well, that's over."" "In November '81, Clarke unexpectedly quit." "I was, and still am, a bit of a control freak." "So, with the advent of computers and sequencers..." "I realised that I could make all of the music myself." "You know, I didn't need necessarily other people to play the parts." "I got a real satisfaction out of programming all of the parts myself." "Without their chief songwriter... it seemed the game was up for Depeche Mode... before they really got going." "In the same year, a reversal of fortune... had seen a new-look Human League... finally get in on the pop action... partly thanks to a line-up change... that took them out of the pages of the NME... and put them on the front page of Smash Hits." "We got Joanne and Susan... simply because we were booked to do a European tour... and Martyn and myself became unable to be in the same group... and we just thought:" ""Well, get some nice high vocals, yeah, let's try a girl." "Let's be a bit different and try a girl."" "From that the step was... that if we were gonna take a girl on the road... with a load of terrible randy idiots like us... there ought to be two of them to look after each other." "Joanne and Susan turned up." "I was being sarcastic there, by the way... we were sitting there reading books, really." "Oakley spotted the girls dancing in a futurist night club in Sheffield." "Our parents thought, "There's some ulterior motive... {\pos(192,055)}something's going on"." "{\pos(192,055)}But then Philip came round and met both sets of parents... they thought he was a decent guy... and then we went to school with our parents... and they talked to the head teacher... who thought that it would be good for our education... to have six weeks going round Europe... because we could go to art galleries and things like that." "We never went to said art galleries!" " We did go to a lot of clubs." " Yeah." "We went to Cologne Cathedral... that was about the most cultural thing we ever did." "It also meant that we could appeal to women as well as men." "The early Human League was a very male-based group... and really only lads in long coats liked us." "And some transvestites." "OK, pop music, let's go." "Anyone here like The Human League?" "Released in '81, Dare crystallised the new synth-pop sound." "We did something that could only be done at that stage." "While we were doing it they were bringing the machines... in that enabled us to do it." "For instance... the very first Lynn drum I think that arrived in England... came into our studio... and we took the drums off "Sound of the Crowd" and put the Lynn drum on." "Without that, probably, it wouldn't have worked." "I remember when Martyn got the Lynn drum... and it was like a child at Christmas... getting the first fire engine or something... he was jumping up and down and all the boys were: "Oh, it's a drum!"" "Because before that, apparently, the drums... had been one of the hardest things to do... and now there was this box that was this big... and you could program it." "They were all very excited... and we were a bit like, "OK, boys."" "Now the flood gates were open." "The rush to market swept every aspect of British life... in the early '80s." "Everything was now up for grabs, including pop music." "In an attempt to eclipse his ex-bandmates... former Human League member Martyn Ware... would cash in on the times with a concept album." "When we were doing the day shifts, they were doing the night shifts... in the same studio." "They were making "Dare"... we were making "Penthouse And Pavement"." "I've never been so motivated in my life, believe me." "I said, "We're gonna make it stylish, fantastic." "Finally, the shackles are off, we can start using other instruments... cos the original manifesto is broken... but we're still gonna make it predominantly electronic." "And so the idea was that suddenly we're not a group... we are ripping open the facade and going:" ""No, this is great music, but it's a business."" "It really is a business." "It doesn't matter." "Bob Dylan can sing all he wants... he's busy brown-nosing the AR men behind the scenes." "But, ironically... and we were totally anti-Thatcher and always had been..." "It got taken on board by the aspirational yuppie culture... in the early '80s as their kind of theme tunes... a lot of the time, like "Let's All Make A Bomb"." "They completely missed the point of the song, totally... and it was like, "Yeah, mate, remember listening to that." "It's fantastic, mate, love the ponytails."" "Not everyone wanted in on booming Britain." "Cabaret Voltaire were neither into ponytails nor popularity." "Their vision of Britain was concerned with the inner city riots... that erupted across the country in summer '81." "People say that The Specials' Ghost Town... was the soundtrack to the unrest of that year... but a lot of people alternatively think... that Red Mecca was the sound of that." "I think I've said in the past... somehow that insurrection on the streets... kind of found its way into the music." "You kind of took some heart in the fact... that some people were kicking back against the system... albeit in quite a crude manner... and were prepared to take on the police." "We weren't paranoid, this stuff was slowly happening... the rise of surveillance culture... the rise of the right wing in America... and the fundamentalist Christians." "Then you've got like the revolution in Iran... with the Shah being deposed... and the general feeling that things are moving to the right." "Meanwhile, something strangely synthetic... was happening in the sleazy underbelly of London's Soho." "I was going to lots of Northern Soul clubs... so I was listening to kind of Kraftwerk and Northern Soul... which is where things developed from, really, in my head." "There, I missed it." "If we had the money we'd come to Soho... and just hang around Soho, just getting ideas... which is where the name came from." "And "Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret"... was a bar back in 1980 or whatever... that's where that photograph's from." "We were just kind of fascinated... being these two northern hicks from the sticks... and suddenly, "Wow, this is amazing."" "It was kind of glamorous and dangerous." "Lots of neon lights and stuff, which we were fascinated by." "The first people doing the electro thing... really caned the alienation, "I am hollow inside" thing, like Gary Numan... and you get this second wave where... you've got the cold, glistening synth sound... but the singer's actually very emotional..." "Marc Almond's a good example of that, torridly emotional." "It's like there's a super-passionate singer... and then the one other person... usually a guy with a synthesizer... and I think they're using the synth... more as like a miniature or condensed orchestra... like they can get all the sounds they need out of this one box." "So really it's more like electronic soul music." "Where Soft Cell led, others would follow." "Having left Depeche Mode, Vince Clarke would form his own duo... with a rhythm-and-blues singer, also from Basildon." "Vince I met for the first time when I was 11." "{\pos(192,055)}We both went to the same Saturday morning music school... {\pos(192,055)}it was a council-run thing... {\pos(192,055)}where I believe he was playing violin and I was playing oboe." "Even though we'd never spoken in that time..." "I recognised him for the fact that there was three of them... three brothers with this white-blond hair looking like a family of ducks... going across the road, you know." "Once I left Depeche I had some songs... which I wanted to demo for the record company." "One of them being Only You." "Anyway, I got in touch with Alison cos I vaguely knew her." "We didn't have plans to form a band or anything... we had no history together." "We just went from the demo... to the recording studio to making the first record." "I wasn't overly interested in technology..." "I couldn't even afford a record player or cassette player... so the idea of buying hardware... there's no point in lusting after the things you can't have." "Like me thinking about a mini-skirt." "Never gonna happen." "Vince Clarke then forms another one... of these classic sort of fire and ice groups... the ice is the synth and the fire is Alison Moyet... so that's almost like a template for 80s pop... the synthesizer guy, the synthesizer boffin... and then the super-passionate singer... usually female or maybe gay male." "It's kind of..." "the duo replaces the rock band." "It's an affront to rockism, isn't it?" "Just the look of those bands." "When we first started working in Yazoo... it was like he was effectively suffering... from a very recent divorce." "It's like these were his childhood mates, Depeche Mode." "This was a huge thing for him... to go from being a local boy, like the rest of us... without a great deal of hope, without many prospects... or any qualifications." "The last thing I'd heard... was he was driving vans for R White's... crashing them and leaving them on the streetside." "Yazoo signed to Mute Records in 1982... and to his surprise, Daniel Miller found himself... with another wildly successful pop act." "There was nothing right about it." "It was quite soulful music with a very cold, electronic beat." "She didn't fit the typecast female pop-star image at all." "And it's become a cliche now, but at that time... the quiet second bloke on synth wasn't a cliche." "In the 18 months that we existed... myself and Alison never got to know each other." "We never went out to a pub to have a drink or did any of that stuff any socialising." "It was just in the studio, working." "To actually come across somebody who was unfathomable... who you could not penetrate... and at the same time had, regardless of what he says... a burning ambition, he was an ambitious boy." "What was amazing about it is he actually achieved his ambitions... which again, coming from where I came from... you didn't see that very often... and I wanted to penetrate him!" "Not biblically, obviously." "I just wanted to be in the studio so much." "I would have been in there 24 hours a day." "It was like being in a sweet shop." "Synth-pop was becoming increasingly popular... and increasingly grand." "OMD would enjoy three top 10 hits in 1982... two of which were about Joan of Arc." "We were quite intellectual, you know." "Pompous, stuck up our own arses..." "I guess you could say." "We were going on Top Of The Pops with Bonnie Langford..." "Elton John and Cliff Richard amongst others... and we were playing a song that was in waltz time... that started with 45 seconds of distortion... and had no chorus... and had a Mellotron playing what sounded like bagpipes." "Explain how it works." "Well, actually it's fairly straightforward, it's a musical computer... the right hand is lead instruments with a choice of 18 different ones... and the left hand is rhythms in this half... and backgrounds in this half." "It's all been fed on to hundreds of tape tracks." "The Mellotron is a very early sampler... before samplers went digital." "It was a very analogue thing." "Here's a French accordion with a Viennese waltz." "It was nightmare to use on stage." "We were playing in this tiny town in the middle of France... and the Mellotron was completely out of tune... because all the town were drawing the power down so much cooking... the motor wouldn't spin fast enough." "Thank you." "Well, David isn't a musician, as you know... but I have a professional pianist here... who can really show you what the Mellotron can do." "The number of people who thought... that the equipment wrote the song for you..." ""Well, anybody could do it with the same equipment you've got."" "Fuck off!" "It's all played by hand... believe me, if there was a button on a synth... or a drum machine that said, "hit single"..." "I would have pressed it as often as anybody else would have... but there isn't." "It was all written by real human beings... and it was all played by hand... to the point where Paul and I thought we were gonna get arthritis in our fingers... from playing bass lines like that for hours on end." "Between 1981 and 1983... synth-pop reigned supreme." "Our charts were chock full of duos and groups... who set aside changing the world... in favour of making it with a synth on Top Of The Pops." "{\pos(192,055)}You've got to remember that it was the first time ever... {\pos(192,055)} that someone could sit and make a record on their own." "Eurythmics came along and they did Sweet Dreams... in their basement." "They recorded it on an 8-track tape machine." "Annie sang Sweet Dreams into a little Shure microphone... holding it in her hand and won a Grammy for it." "And in 1982... along came a song that turned the alienation... of the original synth pioneers... into a full-blown epic." "Ultravox would score one of the biggest synth-pop hits ever... called Vienna, which has that total fetishism... of Mitteleuropa, Vienna." "It's the Habsburg Empire... the romance of central Europe." "The movies we were watching and the music we were listening to... at the time all came out of Europe... and the history that Europe had..." "Vienna being this beautifully romantic city, this beautiful place." "You put all that together and you've got this fantastic image... this wonderful..." "I'd never been to Vienna when we wrote the song..." "I didn't know anything about Vienna." "You try putting that down, that you're gonna write a song... that is a four-and-a-half-minute long electronic ballad... that speeds up in the middle with a viola solo thrown in... it doesn't equate, it doesn't work." "But at the time when you're young and naive... naivety is a wonderful thing." "Not to be outdone by their English synth-pop derivatives..." "Kraftwerk would return in 1982... to score their only number one single success... cashing in with a song that they'd originally recorded... in 1978." "With The Model that was, in England... to be a hit, that was a complete different story." "We didn't expect it ourselves." "The reasons was the following:" "we had already a single... to be played on the radio in England... and it was Computer World." "The man of the EMI London house... he didn't know what to put on the B-side." "And he thought and he thought and he thought... maybe two days longer... and suddenly he had the great idea... to put The Model from the last album, Man Machine... on the B-side." "And then they sent the single to radios... and 80% of the radios played the B-side." "By 1983..." "Britain had entered an era of conspicuous consumption and greed... that made the late '70s seem like a foreign country." "It would provide inspiration for Depeche Mode's new chief songwriter." "The early '80s were just a terrible time in Britain." "And I was young and impressionable... and that was really when I first felt... like I was writing from the heart really." "Around the time of Construction Time Again... samplers had just really come out." "It was a whole revelation to us... we were just going out and smashing pieces of metal... with sledgehammers, raiding the kitchen drawer... for all the utensils to make percussion sounds." "Just anything we could get our hands on." "We've got this vague idea at the moment which was used on the demo." "We've got this pebble, which we got from the mud." "Yeah, look, white spots." " They're the stinging nettles." " Anyway, the idea is... to roll the pebble on this piece of metal along here... this window frame... thus making this sort of sound." "Construction Time Again really started... to see us form as the basis... of what we are today." "That was a lot better." "Anyway, the idea is to take that sequence... and to make an interesting rhythm out of it... and to sequence it all through the song... so people dance." "Depeche Mode pioneered their new sampler-based sound... in London's Shoreditch." "In those days, Shoreditch, there was not a soul around... now, of course, with Hoxton, etc... it is the trendy place to be, but it wasn't... when we were at the Garden Studios." "There was not a soul to be seen." "I remember, there was one sound in particular... that was us actually hitting... a piece of corrugated iron that was the side of a building site... and the sample sort of went like:" "and that was the site foreman." "We seemed, in the '80s, to be doing a one-band crusade... for electronic music... against the music press... that was overwhelmingly rock-based." "We would often do interviews with journalists... and we'd have a big argument... because they just didn't consider electronic music to be real music." "We got accused at certain times... of being like a very subversive pop band... and I do think that we did get away with some stuff... that was probably risque for the radio... just because we used it in a pop context." "In our early career, there was things... like Master And Servant and stuff." "Some of the reviews were unbelievably vicious." "You just couldn't..." "real hatred for the band." "Real hatred." "I don't know why." "It wasn't British, really." "A journalist once said:" ""The music will appeal to alienated youth everywhere, and Germans."" "Depeche Mode would eventually find a sympathetic home... for their music in America." "For a lot of Americans, England just means gay." "They think it's like a conflation of Oscar Wilde... and various ideas about British boarding school." "For people who feel different or misfits in America..." "England does actually seem like this utopia... they imagine everyone in England walks around wearing eyeliner... and plays synthesizers." "To be a Depeche Mode fan... was actually a quite a dissident thing." "Depeche Mode were the only act... who were truly successful in exporting... the British electronic sound." "The band would enjoy massive popularity in America... throughout the '80s and beyond." "Consistently filling stadiums across the land." "Back in Britain, in '83... the sampler was moving synth-pop in a different direction." "Suppose I want to send my loved one... a rather special musical greeting, well I can." "First, let me give the computer an idea of the sound... that I actually want to send." "So, I'll prime it again." "And now I'll speak into the mic:" "Hello!" "And we have to wait a couple of seconds now... for the sound wave to come up, there it is." "Hello, hello, hello." "Hello!" "Hello, dear." "{\pos(192,055)}When we arrived in it, the Emulator had just been invented." "It was completely riveting, because it had..." "James Brown going, "Please!"" "You played up and down the keyboard." "Had a string quartet or an orchestra... it had the famous Beethoven..." "The first record we made, West End Girl... every single sound was actually a sample... played on the same keyboard which looked just like a Bontempi chord organ." "The idea was to take real life... and put it against beautiful or dance or both music." "Because we were the last of the thing that started... with The Human League and we were probably the first... of the thing where pop music was raised to dance music." "The Pet Shop Boys gave us a glimpse... of what the future held for British electronic music." "But the band that would truly spearhead the shift... from synth-pop to dance music... had evolved out of the ashes of Joy Division." "Whilst in America, New Order would have a synthetic epiphany." "Kind of at the period where Ian had died... and we were going recording in New York." "We were spending a lot of time in New York... and I was going to night clubs after the studio." "Every night." "I remember sitting there on these kind of steps in a club... and thinking, "Wouldn't it be great if one day... our music was played in a place like this?"." "That sort of planted a seed in my head, really... that got me interested in more in synthesizers." "You know, if you play an encore or something... it's like, you're just falling into the trap... it's a phoney thing doing an encore, everyone expects it." ""Let's get these machines to do a track and we'll just go on... as if we're doing an encore, press a button and then bugger off"." "That was the idea." "When Blue Monday came out, a lot of people didn't like it... they went, "What, what..." "it doesn't sound like New Order... what are you doing?" "It doesn't sound like you're supposed to sound"." "A lot of people were like, "I don't like that."" "Then, it just took off." "I guess, people went on holidays and they hear it in night clubs... in Spain and Greece and stuff... and when they came back they would buy... it'd be a big hit over and over again." "Blue Monday's inscrutable club cool... would help it become the biggest selling 12-inch of all time... originally released in 1983... it heralded the future for British electronica." "A new age of dance music... unconcerned with pop charts and commercial appeal... would gain a massive following that thrives to this day." "For those electronic pioneers... who had brought the synth into British pop music... it was the end of an era." "It sort of starts, I guess, round about '83... it was just overdone." "it was saturated... there was too much synth-pop around." "It's on a synth, but the melodies... and the way the songs were structured were really pretty traditional... and quite trite." "It wasn't that inventive as electronic music." "Towards the middle of the '80s... there wasn't so much encouragement from the record companies... to do more experimental stuff." "I meant that initial supernova of post-punk... it was dying away." "And slowly but surely... the cancerous growth of market-led AR-ing... started invidiously creeping up and blandifying... and homogenising the musical market, in my view." "We were a bit lost by then." "It was all a bit..." "we felt we'd achieved it." "We thought we'd proved our point... and it just looked like we didn't have anything left to prove." "The commodification of synth-pop... marked the end of a golden era... in which a generation of post-punk musicians... had taken the synth from the fringes of experimentation... to the centre of the pop stage." "Out of the '70s and into the '80s." "At the time, it was just really, really exciting... and it was exciting to be a part of a musical movement... that had never been done before, that was different." "It wasn't a rehash of anything." "Those early electronic records... they'd ever been done before... so, it was a fine time." "We were trying to do something new... that's specifically why we chose electronics... and embraced every new piece of equipment... we could get our hands on or afford." "We wanted to sweep away all of the old rock cliches... and stereotypes and the lead guitar solos... and long hair and everything." "And then what happens towards the end of the '80s... and even worse in the mid '90s... everybody decides that guitars are back in... synthesizers are somehow old-fashioned... and you get Oasis!" "Horror!"