"I´ve been sabotaging hunt now for 12 or 13 years." "The reason I go out sabotaging a hunt is because I know that I can go out and save an animals life that day." "I can very often see the animal that I´m saving." "And I know exactly what I´ve done to save that animals life." "I supposedly first started to see the use of direct action in animal rights and so on over the last 20 years." "I started as a member of the RSPCA." "So I´ve been quite vocal about the issue of hunting." "And because the RSPCA still is a royal society, and obviously royal is pro-hunt." "These people were actually banished from the meetings for daring to say that hunting is wrong." "They decided to actually go out into the fields and disrupt the hunt." "The first hunt saboteurs appeared 40 years ago." "December 1963, boxing day, South Devon hunt." "They used some smoke bombs and few hunting horns." "And basically the hunt called the day off, as a result." "I suppose the thing that motivates people to use direct action is a sense of powerlesness, in the face of governments who don´t seem to be responsive." "And on the other hand a sense of moral outrage against the society, which they don´t see as being responsive." "A moral outrage directed against people who they see as being in some way doing something which is obviously reprehensible and wrong." "I think what motivates most people, certainly what motivated me to take direct action, was the amount of suffering of animals are being subjected to." "People are given no choice, but to take direct action." "And they do it, because it works." "We can see this in the case of hunt sabotage and other sort of environmental protests." "I don´t think we would have had bills passing before the House of Commons unless there had been these protests." "If we just stood outside parliament with a banner every day, saying "Please ban fox hunting" you don´t get any results." "But if you go in the fields, and hunt saboteur." "You know, you save lives every day." "You get immediate results." "Things which previously, in many cases, were not illegal have now been made illegal." "The law has been deliberatelly changed in order to make those actions illegal." "So it´s now illegal to do, what we could do 10-15 years in the field." "Because that kind of protesting was working." ""You could do that, listen"" ""What we will do is arresting, and then you can do..."" ""Can you please stop pulling me." "Please." "Stop pulling me!"" "The law affects hunt sabotuers in a number of ways." "In 1994 the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act had clauses entered into it." "Which was specifically aimed at hunt sabotage." "One being section 68, where they created the offense of, whats known as aggravated trespass." "Which is basically trespassing in the open air and disrupting a lawful activity, i.e. disrupting hunting." "The other being section 69, which is failure to leave land." "So if a police officer seizes me on land, and on trespassing and he considers that I might be about to commit agravating trespass, he can ask me to leave." "And if I refuse, he can arrest me and charge me." "Whilst filming on the 14/02/2004 This happened..." " Footage taken from sabs camera " " My tape was seized, before I was pushed to the ground... " "If you look closely in the right hand corner, you will see the police officer, pushing me to the floor, after taken my tape." "He gave no reason, why he took my tape." " After that day´s events I wrote a letter of complaint to Surrey Police asking why my tape was seized, and when I could expect it back." "Hello, can I speak to someone from the police complaints authority please." " After numerous phone calls to Surrey Police I still hadn´t received my tape..." "OK." "I am ready to go to the police station and ask where my tape is." "What happened?" "It wasn´t a great lot of help." "The officer who confiscated my tape, wasn´t available." "And he wasn´t available by phone." "No idea why they seize anything..." "Nothing really." "Not much help at all." "I´m gonna e-mail him." "But whats that gonna do?" "He hasn´t contacted me yet, so I have no hope, that he will." " The day after I received a call from the officer " " He was willing to make a copy of the tape but not release the original." "Which is now being held as evidence " " After further investigation we learned that the tape can be seized under section 19 of the law, but I should have been informed as to why it was taken." "I am also entitled to a copy of the original. " " On my copy of the tape, there is no record of the days events." "I have been told I can expect my original tape back within the next seven years. " "The law doesn´t work for protesters, not in my experience." "I´ve desperatelly wanted for the law to work, so that I can protest legitimatelly." "That I can write to my MP, going to a demonstration." "Hand in a petition and change things." "But it doesn´t work like that." "She has told me, she has got Citronella on her." "And I´ve taken that away..." "Citronella Spray - harmless lemon and water mixture used to put hounds off fox scent." "Why are you taking that away from her?" "Because its a hunting stopper..." "So you don´t have any rights to take it from her." "Listen." "A have taken that away from her, because that is used to disrupt the hunt." "We can allow you to have it back for that moment but if it is used to disrupt the hunt in any way, or any other offensive way, then it would be seized of you." "The implementation of the law is very arbitrary." "So what happens is, as happened in the recent case." "Police were out at a hunt;" "40 officers." "They spent all their time focusing on the hunt sabotuers,..." "Trying to stop them save lives." "Trying to use agravated trespass clause, is to prevent us of doing our job." "Meanwhile." "A hunt sabotuer gets attacked by somebody from the hunt." "And the police failed to act." "There are ample resources available to the police as can be seen; to attend any protest, say, a fox hunt or outside a vivisection laboratory in this country." "And often the tactics of the police is unacceptably aggresive." "What are essentially peacefull protesters." "Are you gonna surrender that weapon and provide your details, or I am going to arrest you." "I do not have a weapon on me!" "And in a lot of cases the hunt saboteurs are battery controling the hounds and they hunt themselves." "Look." "Its a homemade whip." "To stopping hounds, when they are gona run across a railroad track or a busy road..." "The law doesn´t work." "But we have become stronger." "Things which previously in many cases were not illegal have now been made illegal." "And the punishments and so on and the attitude of the courts is corespondingly different." "It made it harder to find people to take part sometimes in these direct forms of action." "Because the consequences of doing so might be more extreme." "Animals basically want to be left alone... at the way they lived together for thousands of years without human interference." "And for us to give them rights, if we have the power to do that is just speciecist." "I couldn´t campaign as an animal rights activist, if I didn´t believe, that we will close these places down." "Forms of protest in general are not likely to go away." "Over the last 10 years we have in this country rediscovered protest as a new form of politics in a way." "So people who are often written of by politicians as being apathetic are very oftenly young." "Turn out not to be so apathetic, they just turn out to be keen on doing other things in other ways."