"Hi, Robert, can you talk right now?" "I safely got into the room." "I'm now safely with the client, okay?" "So, can we talk together about the plan?" "Did this application start already or what?" "Technically?" "Yeah, but..." "So technically it hasn't started yet." "Would you mind to talk in speakerphone?" "Sorry." "Hey, Robert." "Yeah, hi." "Hi, Edward, how are you holding up?" "Okay, I just met with the head of the UNHCR here in Hong Kong, and they are aware that you are raising the protection you are entitled to under the UNHCR and and they would like you to come in with us to the UN." "If you come now, it's lunchtime, but they're gonna let us in." "No one else can get in." "At the UNHCR there are separate exits from the building so we have a good opportunity, if any of the media finds out you're there you'll be able to exit a different way from the building." "Just walk out of there." "You don't have to go back." "Take whatever you want with you, and just go with Mr. Man." "I will pick you-- he knows where I'm gonna pick you guys up, and then I'll bring you to the UNHCR." "He's quite worried about the next step, about accommodation, where he is going to stay, whether there is something private and he would not be discovered by the police." "Don't worry about that now." "Let's just get him to the UN." "Okay, I will give you a call before we start, okay?" " Okay, thank you." " Okay, thank you." " Bye." " Bye." "So..." "We don't have a car." "What I'm thinking-- we may ask the concierge to arrange a car or we just go down and catch a taxi." "But it's quite..." "The traffic here in Tsim Sha Tsui is quite difficult to get a taxi." "No, I'm not aware of." "But if we have a torture claim or asylum-seeking claim, then they ought, under the law, they ought to give you recognizance for you to stay in Hong Kong because they don't know where to dump you back yet." ""The US Spied on Millions of Brazilian Emails and Phone Calls"" "I'd like to show you the new document now." "You'll see it much more clearly." "This map shows the cables they use to collect the data for PRISM." "Here it shows how much they are collecting." "The thicker the line, the more they're collecting." "You can see these lines, the cables, are quite thick in the south of Brazil and up north in the Sea of Brazil." "So they're collecting a lot through the PRISM program, which I think is very important because PRISM is Facebook," "Skype, YouTube, Yahoo, Hotmail." "And it shows a lot is being stolen from Brazil." "But we don't know how much the Brazilian government knows, or whether it's collaborating with Brazilian companies." "But we're going to know, I believe." "One day we will know everything." "Or almost everything." "Yes." "The floor is yours, for the time that you deem necessary." "Thank you and hello." "First of all, Americans' justification for everything since the September 11 attacks is terrorism." "Everything is in the name of national security, to protect our population." "In reality, it's the opposite." "A lot of the documents have nothing to do with terrorism or national security, but with competition between countries, and with companies' industrial, financial, or economic issues." "Secondly, there's XKeyscore." "When we first started publishing articles, the US government's defense was that it was not invading the content of communications, just taking the metadata." "That means the names of the people talking, who is calling whom, call durations." "But if I know all the people you are communicating with, and everyone they are communicating with, where you are when you are communicating, the call duration and the location, then I can learn a lot about your personality," "your activity, and your life." "This is a major invasion of privacy." "In reality, that defense is totally false." "The US government has the ability to get not only metadata, but the actual content of your emails or what you say on the phone, the words you type into Google searches, the websites you visit, the documents you send to colleagues." "This system can track nearly everything that every individual is doing online." "So if you're a journalist investigating the American government, if you work for a company with American competitors, or if you work in human rights involving the American government, or any other field, they can very easily intercept your communication." "If you're an American living in the US, they have to seek permission from a court, but they always get it." "But if you're not American, they don't need anything, no special permission at all." "I think the consequences of eliminating privacy are difficult to predict, but we must understand that this will have an enormous impact." "The population's ability to have demonstrations or to organize is greatly reduced when people don't have privacy." ""Brazil Demands Explanation from UK Government"" "And then there's the key paragraph that says it was the SCS that intercepted" "Chancellor Merkel's mobile phone." "We have the number." "What will you tell the German people?" "Hello, Mr. Binney." "It is my pleasure to be here." "I feel that it's important to testify about what's really going on behind the scenes in the intelligence communities around the world." "Not just in NSA." "All those programs that Edward Snowden has exposed fundamentally are ways of acquiring information." "Every dictatorship down through history has always done that." "One of the first things they need to do is try to acquire knowledge of their population." "And that's exactly what these programs do." "I see this as the most major threat to our democracies all around the world."