"†he APOSTATE" "This interview is being recorded and videoed, and it has been conducted in an interview room in Telford, Shropshire..." "I'm detective Inspector Hollie Andrews." "Can you give your name and date of birth for the purposes of the tape, please, Mr. Cooper?" "I am Lance Cooper and my birthday's the 4th of April 1972." "All right." "The time, if we can all agree is 11 minutes past eleven a.m., and the date is the 12th of October 2013." "the conclusion of this interview, Mr. Cooper," "I will be explaining exactly what will happen to the times." "Do you understand?" "Yes." "now you've been offered and declined legal advice." "You are still entitled to free and independent legal advice." "Do you understand?" "Can you answer verbally, please?" "Yes." "Okay." "So you were found in a disused underground parking lot on September the 19th 2013, at approximately 3:30." "You were found crawling around confused and disorientated covered in your own blood by a contractor." "Would you say that's a fair and factual account?" "Yes." "Come on." "Hello." "Anybody?" "How did you get there, Mr. Cooper?" "I..." "I don't remember." "what is there anything you do remember before this event?" "I remember, images... glimpses..." "remember Jessica." "Your daughter?" "Jessica!" "Jessica!" "She was gone too long this time... she never went..." "she went anywhere without calling me." "Too long, so I called the police and got a few of her friends and a neighbor to help me." "enough before they came." "I could..." "I could just sense them..." "subject." "I'm sorry." "I see her everywhere." "Everywhere..." "Hallelujah, yep." "May I come in?" "I can save you, friend." "Because you need to be saved." "I show you, Mr. Cooper, a photograph of Michelle Laine." "You know this woman?" "Oh no, I know..." "But do you recognize her?" "Yes How do you know her?" "we met on the net." "on the internet." "dating website or Twitter, Facebook?" "No... no..." "Have you spoken to a prior to the event?" "I mean face to face?" "Why don't you describe it to me?" "Short, I suppose." "Short." "Shorter than you?" "Short than me, yeah." "She... she had brown hair." "uh slim... northern accent." "How would you describe your relationship with Mrs. Laine?" "I told you, we met on the net." "Just..." "Just remember... snippets." "Brown hair." "correction." "nothing really." "until that day." "is there anything you can tell me, you know, something minor, something she may have said or something she said she was going to do?" "No... no..." "I show you, Mr. Cooper, a photograph of Thomas Harris." "What's your name?" "Do you know why we're here?" "important... tell me!" "tell me!" "you know it's not that bad, okay?" "okay." "Shh." "I'm gonna keep you out of here, we're either way, okay... which you could be quiet so I know, okay... shhh..." "I'm going to put your arm around my shoulders, ok." "you gonna be allright..." "Shh...it's ok... understand you be quiet Shh ok" "one more time, ok, one more time." "just relax. relax..." "I was scared." "I am..." "I didn't know who I was, where I was, and then this guy..." "this guy did it was shouting and screaming..." "And I just wanted to shut him up." "Shut him up?" "What do you mean shutting up?" "I just wanted him to be quiet." "Right, so you wake up, you're bleeding, you're hungry, you don't know where you are or who you are." "I am..." "I was in pain my leg and then found Michelle, so I checked..." "she was cold and dead." "I just wanted to get out of there." "So you've never been to or seen this place before." "I don't think so." "So what you... you were kidnapped." "I don't..." "I dont know who got there." "Your medical report says: an injury to the right side of the head." "likely caused by a blunt object, not a fall, impact with reasonable force potential to cause unconsciousness." "three inch laceration." "I don't know how that was caused." "By patient complaining of memory loss suggested that a blow could've caused temporary amnesia." "Mr. Cooper, you were found four weeks ago." "Are you still saying you're suffering from some kind of amnesia?" "No... yes." "Which is it, Mr. Cooper?" "no?" "yes?" "I remember images..." "I remember Jessica..." "I remember my wife... remember him..." "Him?" "the revenant, that's what he called himself the revena..." "I would like to drink that please." "Are these really necessary?" "You tell me, Mr. Cooper?" "Yeah... a preacher." "Describing for me." "Madman." "No, I mean describe what he look like?" "um he was... a tall, skinny..." "Just images..." "I show you, Mr. Cooper, a photograph of Stephen Lloyd" "What's him?" "A madman... you crossed paths." "Want?" "Where?" "How?" "Do you believe in God?" "No." "You answer so surely, so promptly." "Why do you think so?" "You used to believe in something." "Yes." "You have lost your faith." "It was taken from me." "Never... it is always lost. as are you..." "There are many of us willing to do great things for the Lord." "you have a story as do I. story of loss... and anger." "desire to forget, do you not?" "I can't forget." "I will help you." "You were the last person to see him alive." "Did you know that?" "No." "He's disappeared, he's not been seen since." "Do you know where he is, Mr. Cooper?" "No..." "look..." "I asked him to leave, right?" "I was vulnerable my daughter's dead" "I was weak." "I haven't eaten." "I haven't slept in days." "I just spent most of my time trying in the internet, trying to find something." "Looking for what?" "I don't know... something or a way the people who felt like I did." "so these people... these people that you found, Michelle and Thomas." "Is that how you met them?" "yeah." "why you were there and what did you have in common?" "We were all dead, inside and out." "He's glim, superficially charming, has a grandiose sense of worth impulse if he's committed antisocial acts, has had the history being a juvenile delinquent." "he certainly seems to show a lack of emotional deep." "your psych report." "an individual who we categorize as having some extreme need to have his ego stroked a person that's used to be put on a pedestal by others." "which some people might characterize is not sadistic... face-saving is an extremely important issue and anything that you can do to protect that person's ego from getting any more injured that... that pride from being any more harmed" "is a satisfactory description of Mr. Cooper." "with strong narcissistic and grandiose tendencies and indication of the intention to cover one's tracks and ultimately someone who would lie and lie without regret." "Golden slumbers kiss your eyes." "Smiles await you when you rise." "Sleep, pretty baby, Do not cry, And I will sing a lullaby." "I'm couldn't harm a fly, your matter, that evaluation rubbish." "Mr. Cooper, if there's something you want to tell me then tell me." "we're just looking for the truth." "I can help you." "I'm telling the truth." "she's all about" "what are you... why me?" "what do you want from me?" "do you know me?" "what do you think I am" "where you going" "money... want money ?" "what do you want from me?" "I'm got some money you're interested what do you want?" "I'm just doing my job and selling..." "just an ordinary bloke..." "I want to talk to you about money." "you seem to have deposited large sums of money into different accounts." "you've got 5,000 into your current account 8,000 in your main savings 3,000 in your ISA." "and 15,000 pounds in two offshore accounts." "well, I sold a few things." "Such as?" "a car, a caravan and some personal thing." "you can't expect me to remember." "everything I had to get rid of a few things." "I put it to you, Mr. Cooper. that you are involved in the disappearance abduction and murder of Michelle Laine, Thomas Harris, Stephen Lloyd and Luke Oden." "oh look, I haven't done anything." "look, I haven't done anything, right?" "I'm the victim here, right?" "And Luke Oden, who's Luke Oden?" "I've never seen him before." "well, let me refresh your memory." "never seen his face before." "he was found in the bin. not far from where we found you. both parts of him." "I wasn't involved." "He was 17 years old, Mr. Cooper." "I'm sorry for his family." "You're sorry?" "you're sorry for yourself." "No." "It wasn't a question." "Look, whatever happened to these people, I ended up in the same predicament." "I'm the victim here." "so you're victim." "Yes, I'am." "all right, well, you met all these people online." "yes... no..." "I'm never met Luke online." "oh so you've met Luke before." "no!" "no!" "I've never met him before." "so he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time." "Sure." "This is a police investigation, Mr. Cooper." "I'm going to ask you some very simple and direct questions." "I suggest you answer the same manner." "this money, did it have anything to do with the disappearance of Michelle and Thomas?" "no!" "will you pay to kill assassinate any of the previously mentioned people?" "No!" "Did you murder Michelle Laine?" "are you involved in any way the deaths of any of the previously mentioned people?" "Stephen Lloyd?" "don't touch me." "don't touch me." "do you understand me?" "don't touch me." "He'd been treated for mental illness most of his adult life." "Oh who's normal?" "you are the Midlands most wanted man." "that is not normal, Mr. Cooper." "you have left widows of wives and children crying." "that is not normal." "you are anormal killer." "No!" "That is not normal." "No!" "so what is it?" "you were trying to make it legal." "No!" "he wanted to be famous like Ted Bernsen." "Don't what?" "compare you to him?" "You did this for yourself." "There's no altruistic motive there's no need, there's no fulfillment." "you are a cold-blooded killer." "you been watching too many cop shows." "You think winding me up is going to get me to speak to you?" "No." "I haven't done anything, okay." "Come on, Mr. Cooper." "You must have done other things." "Surely, you knew you'd get caught." "Where Steven's body?" "Did you bury it?" "no!" "where is it?" "its not funny... look, I get it, you lost your daughter." "something snapped you wanted revenge you killed Steven and then you had to justify you and... look, you just don't understand." "It's what they wanted." "Nobody wants this, Mr. Cooper." "I only did what they wanted." "This interview is concluded." "13:05" "Prepared by teSir  Bazza"