"Now, I first thought the two Kids who did this came from someplace else." "When I Iearned that they had grown up in laramie, I was just floored." "In Laramie, Wyoming a young man is in a deep coma, near death from a savage beating." "When I first found out, I just thought it was horrible." "Nobody deserves that." "I don't care who you are." "A college freshman was beaten tied to a fence, and left for dead in Wyoming this week." "You'd like to think this was somebody from out of town." "Somebody who comes through and beats somebody up." "But if we're talking about somebody who's been beaten repeatedly by somebody from our town, that certainly offends us." "If you asked me before, I would have told you laramie is a beautiful town." "It's secluded, you know, secluded enough so you can have your own identity." "Now, after Matthew we're a town defined by an accident or a crime." "We've become Waco or Jasper." "We're a noun, or a definition, or a sign." "Do you mind if I tape this?" "No, I don't mind." "Great." "Thank you again for taking time out of your rehearsal to talk to me." "I must tell you, when I first heard you were thinking of coming here when you first called me I wanted to say:" ""You just kicked me in the stomach." "Why are you doing this to me?"" "And then I thought, "well, that's stupid." "You're not doing this to me."" "And more importantly my students need to talk." "When this first happened, they started to talk about it." "Then the media descended and all dialogue stopped." "We're not reporters." "I know." "I read your last play." "You did?" "Gave me an idea of what you do." "Moises called, saying he had an idea for his next theatre project but there was a somberness to his voice, so I asked him what it was all about." "He said he wanted to do a piece about what's happening in Wyoming." "leigh told me that the company was thinking of going down to laramie and conducting interviews, and did I want to come?" "I did, I said, yeah, but I was hesitant, because as a gay man...." "I mean a kid had just been killed there because he was gay." "What exactly do you want?" "I'd Iike you to give me names of people who might want to talk to us." "I'd Iike to talk to your students and your friends." "I want to hear from the people of the town." "I have never done anything like this before." "How do you get people to talk to you?" "What do you ask?" "It's still very raw for us here." "I understand, but this is no Ionger about laramie or Wyoming." "This is about the whole country." "To me, it's still about laramie." "The company has agreed to go to laramie and interview the people of the town." "I'm scared, because I don't know what I'm gonna do to ensure their safety." "I made a preliminary contact with the head of the theatre department at the University of Wyoming and hopefully that will lead to more interviews." "You're late." "I know." "We talked for a Iot longer than I planned." "What did Rebecca say?" "She gave me names of people who might talk to us." "TownspeopIe, ranchers, some students." "We should contact these people first." "let's see if anybody's gonna talk." "Great." "You okay?" "What?" "please, don't do that here." "Where are you folks from?" "New York." "And what brings you to town?" "We're just passing through." "Hi." "Is linda home?" "Nope, she's working." "Okay." "Can you tell her that Amanda stopped by and I'II be at the Ranger motel?" "And who are you?" "I'm with a theatre company." "Rebecca HiIIiker told her about me." "I never heard of her." "What do you want?" "We're writing a play about laramie and the Matthew Shepard incident." "Why are you doing that?" "We think it's a story that" "Sticking your nose into something we don't need to talk about." "That's over and done." "I understand your feeIing" "We don't want any more of this." "You're not wanted here." "Where are you going with this story?" "When the play is finished, we'II bring it around to laramie." "And you're gonna use our words?" "That's the idea." "I've been close enough to the case to know many of the people." "I have a daughter, works in the Sheriff's department." "As for the "gay issue" I don't give a damn one way or another as long as they don't bother me." "And even if they did, I'd just say, "No, thank you."" "That's the attitude of most of the laramie population." "They might poke one in a bar situation, you know." "If they had been drinking, they might smack one in the mouth but then they'd just walk away." "laramie is Iive-and-Iet-Iive." "My dear brothers and sisters, I am here today to bring you the Word of the Lord." "In my ministry, I've found a simple truth that I'd Iike to share with you today." "It's this:" "The Word is either sufficient or it is not." "Scientists tell me that human history that the world is five billion or six billion years old." "After all, what's a billion years, give or take?" "But the bible tells me that human history is 6,000 years old." "The Word is either sufficient or it is not." "In laramie, population 26,687 the first thing to greet us was wal Mart." "This could be any main drag in America." "Fast food chains, gas stations." "But as we drove into the downtown area, by the railroad tracks the buildings still retained the shape of a turn-of-the-century western town." "As we passed the University Inn on the sign where amenities such as heated pool, cable TV are usually touted it said, "Hate is not a Laramie value."" "So how did you wind up here?" "well, when it came time to go to college my parents couldn't really afford to send me to college." "I knew that I wanted to study theatre and I knew that if I wanted to go to college, I had to get on a scholarship." "There's this competition that they have every year." "It's like a Wyoming state high school competition thing." "I came to the University, to the theatre department, to look for some good scenes." "I asked the professor, I said, "You know, I need a killer scene."" "And he's like, "Here." "Here you go." "This is it."" "What was it?" "That was Angels in America." "I read that and I'm like, this is okay." "I can win Best Scene if I just do a good enough job." "So I tell my parents, so they can come see me in the competition." "They brought me in the room and they sat me down and they said that they wouldn't come to see me if I did that scene." "They couldn't." "Why is that?" "You know, because they believe it's wrong, because homosexuality's wrong." "AII I remember from the competition is just standing ovation." "really?" "Just...." "We won." "We got first place." "One of the best moments of my Iife." "Did your parents come?" "Parents weren't there." "So why'd you do it?" "actually, if I'm really honest, I think I just wanted to win, really." "It was just the greatest scene." "I just wanted to win." "Today, for the first time, I met someone who actually knew Matthew Shepard." "Trish Steger, owner of a shop in town, referred to him as Matt." "Matt used to come into my shop." "That's how I knew him." "It was the first time I ever heard him referred to as Matt instead of Matthew." "well, what was he like?" "I don't know." "How does any one person ever tell about another?" "Matt was a blunt little shit." "Know what I'm saying?" "He was a little guy, 5'2"." "Soaking wet, I bet you (7 pounds, tops." "They were saying he weighed 110 pounds." "I don't believe it." "I say, "Are you Matthew Shepard?"" "He says, "Yeah, I'm Matthew Shepard, but don't call me Matthew, or Mr. Shepard." ""Don't call me none of that." "My name is Matt." ""And I want you to know that I am gay, and we're gonna be going to a gay bar." ""Do you have a problem with that?"" "I said, "No." "How are you paying?"" "The fact of the matter is, laramie doesn't have any gay bars." "For that matter, neither does Wyoming." "He was hiring me to take him down to Fort collins, colorado which is about an hour away." "He was struggling when he first came here." "Reaching out, trying to fit in." "I'm sorry I'm late." "My sister Romaine." "She was a close friend of Matthew's." "Matthew really wanted to get into political affairs." "That was all his big interest was, watching CNN and MSNBC." "Those were the only TV stations I ever saw his TV tuned in to." "So why did he move to laramie?" "He told me he was thinking about going back to school." "So I told him, "Go to the University of Wyoming, go to laramie." ""You can really find a home there."" "I was Matthew's academic advisor, so I Knew him in a very specific context." "But I can tell you that Matthew was very shy when he first came in to the point of being somewhat mousy, I'd almost say." "But soon, his shyness began to give way to this person that was excited about this track that he was going to embark on." "Whenever I think of Matthew, I think of his incredible beaming smile." "He'd walk into a room and just be, Iike...." "He'd smile at everyone." "He made you feel great." "He was just starting to say:" ""There are opportunities here." "There are things I can do in this world." ""I can be important."" "I heard from Matt about 48 hours before the attack." "He told me he'd just joined the gay and lesbian group on campus and he was really enjoying it, getting ready for Pride Week." "He was totally stoked about school." "He was really happy being there." "I can only say this in retrospect, of course." "I think that's where he was headed, towards human rights." "let me tell you something." "There's more gay people in Wyoming than meets the eye." "You think?" "I know for a fact." "I mean, they're not particularly...." "What do you call the queens, the gay people, queens?" "You know, the run-around, faggot-type people." "They're more like the ones who'II throw a bale of hay, jump on a horse, brand them and kick ass." "Know what I'm saying?" "As I always say you don't fuck with a Wyoming queer 'cause they'II fucking kick you in your ass." "But that's not the point." "What is the point?" "people of Wyoming do not give a damn one way or the other if you're gay if you're straight, bisexual, trisexuaI, it doesn't matter." "really?" "That's what I just said." "It doesn't matter." "I was the first out lesbian or gay faculty member and that's in 1((2." "That's not that long ago." "They asked me at the interview what my husband did." "So I came out then." "When I first moved out here, I knew it was gonna be hard as a gay man." "There would be times when I would go to Denver and I would go to the gay bars there, and people would ask me where I was from and I would say, "laramie, Wyoming."" "And I met so many men down there from Wyoming." "So many gay men who grew up here and they were like:" ""This is not a place where I can live." "How can you live there?" "I had to get out."" "But every once in awhile, there'd be a guy:" ""Gosh, I miss laramie." ""I mean, I really love it there." "That's where I want to live."" "And they'd get this starry-eyed look, and I think if that is where you wanna live, do it." "So I get into my office one day and I have a message to call this woman back." "So I call her back and she goes, "I hear you are a lesbian." ""I hear you are one." And I'm like, "uh-huh?"" "She goes, "I'm one, too." She wanted to come over and meet me immediately." "She also warned me about the fact that there's other lesbians in this town who would not be seen with me." "That just to be seen with me would taint them irreparably." "That just to be seen with me would be a big problem." "I Iove this land." "I mean I really love this land." "I'm gonna make this brief, quick, just get it over with, but it will be everything." "factual, just the facts. 10:00." "I punch in, my regular time for Tuesdays." "At 10:30 we're having karaoke night so there's maybe 20 or 30 people milling around." "That's when Matthew Shepard comes in alone, he comes in and he sits right where you're sitting right now, orders himself a Heineken." "So what can I tell you about Matt?" "well, manners politeness, intelligence." "Taking care of me, as in tips." "Everything, he just offers conversation." "He comes in, he's always dressed nice, cIean-cut." "Didn't seem to have any worries." "He wasn't waiting on anybody." "He just wanted to enjoy his drink and the company around." "I guess it was maybe 11:30 or 11:45." "That's when russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney came in." "They come in, approach the bar, they sit here and order a pitcher and as you know, they pay for the thing entirely in dimes and quarters which, Iet me tell you, is something you just don't forget." "You don't forget something like that." "$5.50 in dimes and quarters?" "It's a freaking nightmare for a bartender." "Money meant nothing to Matthew because he grew up with a lot of it." "He'd have handed over his wallet in a second because money meant nothing to him." "I mean, his shoes might have meant something, but...." "They can say it was robbery all they want to, but I don't buy it." "Not even for an iota of a second." "look, when they came in, Henderson and McKinney to me, they didn't seem to be intoxicated at all." "They came in, they order a pitcher of beer they take it back there into the pool area, and they just kept to themselves." "It was going on for half an hour and then I noticed russell and Aaron had been talking with Matthew Shepard." "Some people are saying he made a pass at them." "hell, you don't pick up regular people." "Aaron and I have been together for two years." "Aaron said that a guy walked up to him and said he was gay and wanted to get with him and Russ." "Aaron's really bad about that." "He doesn't like to be around gay people at all, and neither does Russ." "They just don't like them at all." "So he got aggravated with it and said he was straight and he didn't wanna have anything to do with it, and he walked off." "He said that's when him and Russ went into the bathroom and decided to pretend that they were gay and get him in the truck and rob him." "They wanted to teach him a lesson not to come on to straight people." "I'm not excusing their actions, but it seems to be partially his fault and partially the guys who did it, so, you know maybe it's 50-50." "They stated that Matt came on to them, that he approached them." "I absolutely, positively disbeIieve and refute that statement 100 percent." "I'II give you two reasons why." "One, character reference." "Why would he approach them?" "He wasn't approaching anyone else in the bar." "Okay, they say he's gay, that he was a flaming gay." "He's gonna come on to people like that." "bullshit!" "He never came on to me." "I mean, hello!" "Come on." "He's gonna approach these two guys?" "please." "And two, territoriaIism." "Matt was sitting there." "Aaron and russell were back there." "Upon their first interaction, they were in Matt's area the area that he had been seen sitting all night long." "So who approached who by that?" "He'd never not talk to someone for any reason." "If someone started talking to him, he'd just be like, "blah, blah, blah."" "He had no problem just striking up a conversation with anybody." "This is what I'm testifying to because basically I'm the key eyewitness in the case." "basically, I'm going to be testifying that I saw Matthew leave." "I saw two individuals leave with Matthew Shepard, and I didn't see their faces." "I saw the back of their heads." "At this time, McKinney and Henderson aren't around." "You do the math." "I'm not super familiar with that area which now makes me think that God wanted me to find him." "I was going for a ride on my bike and I noticed something just laying there by the fence." "I think it's a scarecrow." "halloween's coming up." "I think it's a halloween gag." "I even noticed his chest moving up and down." "I still thought it was a dummy." "I thought it was some kind of mechanism." "But when I...." "When I saw hair his hair I knew it was a human being." "So what'd you do?" "I ran to the nearest house as fast as I couId and called the police." "The Sheriff's Department held a news conference today." "They're investigating the attempted murder of 22-year-old Matthew Shepard." "The Sheriff says they found the man badly beaten and unconscious, tied to a fence last night." "The brutal attack left Matthew Shepard in a coma." "The bicyclist who found him said he first thought it was a scarecrow." "In jail now, charged with the crime 21-year-old Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney, of Kidnapping...." "The victim, Matthew Shepard is in very critical condition at this hour in Poudre Valley Hospital." "The arraignment took place on Friday around lunchtime." "More details about the case had come out like the fact that the perpetrators themselves were kids." "Kids, local Kids, that everyone who's from around here has some relationship to." "So then a judge comes in and does a reading of the facts." "The Defendants, Aaron James McKinney and russell Arthur Henderson met Matthew Shepard at the Fireside Bar." "After Mr. Shepard confided he was gay the subjects deceived Mr. Shepard into leaving with them in their vehicle to a remote area." "En route to said location, Mr. Shepard was struck in the head with a pistol and upon arrival at said area both subjects tied their victim to a buck fence robbed him, tortured him, and continued to beat and terrorize him." "When I got to the fence, I seen what appeared to be a young man 13 or 14 years of age, because he was so tiny, laying there and he was bound to the bottom of the pole." "What did you do?" "I did the best I couId." "He was covered in dried blood all over his head." "The only place that there wasn't any blood was what appeared to be where he had been crying down his face." "You know he did not look normal." "I couId tell that he had a very harsh head wound." "You expect these Kinds of injuries from somebody crashing down a hill in a car at 80 miles an hour." "You expect to see gross injuries from something like that this horrendous, terrible thing." "But you don't expect to see someone doing this to another person." "Both defendants were later contacted by officers from the laramie police Department, who observed inside their pickup a credit card and a pair of black patent-Ieather shoes belonging to the victim, Matthew Shepard." "The thing that shocked me is, it was a pristine crime scene." "How do you mean?" "The tire tracks, the impressions that the tire made they were perfect because of the sandy soil." "And we found a carpet fragment from inside the truck." "That will always shock me until this day." "In Wyoming, the wind's so strong you usually never find something like that at an exterior crime scene." "His hands were thumbs out, what we call the cuffing position." "It's how we handcuff people." "He was tied with a real thin white rope and it was wound around the bottom of the pole about four inches off the ground." "His shoes were missing." "He was tied extremely tight, so I used my boot knife." "I tried to slip it in there, between the rope and his wrist." "I had to be extremely careful so as not to harm Matthew any further." "I was yelling at him at the top of my lungs, "Hey, wake up!"" "Something, just trying to get anything out of him." "He didn't move, he didn't flinch, he didn't anything." "We rolled him over onto his left side." "When we did that, he stopped breathing." "I immediately got him back on his back." "And that was just enough of an adjustment." "It gave me just enough room for me to slip my knife in there and to cut him free." "And then Rob drove the ambulance to Ivinson Hospital's emergency room." "Once we saw Matthew, it was obvious that his care was beyond our capabilities." "Phoned the neurosurgeon over at Poudre valley and Matthew was on his way in an hour and 15 minutes, I think." "A couple of days later, they showed me a picture of Matthew." "I would have never recognized him." "Said defendants left the victim tied to the fence, begging for his life." "You'd like to think it was somebody from out of town that's come through and beaten up somebody." "But when you're seeing someone who's been beaten repeatedly by someone in our own town now that certainly offends us." "And that's a good word." "It offends us." "The defendants will remain in the custody of the County Sheriff's Department until dates can be set for their trials." "It was huge." "It was herds, and we are talking hundreds of reporters which makes a huge dent in this town's population." "laramie, Wyoming, often called "the gem city of the plains" is now at the eye of the storm." "people would Iike to think what happened is the exception...." "There were reporters everywhere, news trucks in town, on campus and we are not used to that type of attention." "Aaron McKinney and russell Henderson came from the poor side of town." "This small city that bills itself as "Wyoming's hometown" is wrestling with its attitudes towards gay men." "It's tough business, as Matt Shepard Knew and as all his friends Know, to be gay in cowboy country." "And to get that kind of exposure under such tragic circumstances under circumstances that we hadn't even wrapped our heads and hearts around...." "The majority of people here are good people." "You get bad apples once in a while." "Our citizens are not Iike that at all." "You people are making my son guilty before he's even had a trial." "How can this happen?" "I can't understand how someone can even do something like that." "You have your own lifestyle, you should have it." "It's pretty much Iive-and-Iet-Iive." "It's Iive-and-Iet-Iive." "I am outraged and sickened by the heinous crime committed on Matthew Shepard." "A young gay man is in a deep coma." "It's a crime that goes beyond despicable." "let it be known in the nation this is not the University of Wyoming." "This is not what we're about." "Had this been a heterosexual, this wouldn't have made the news." "I don't think there's any problem gay people deal with here." "We had these guys in jail in less than a day." "I think that's pretty damn good." "Hundreds of people are urging Congress to pass a federal law banning hate crimes." "I would Iike to urge the people of Wyoming against overreacting in a way that gives one group special rights over others." "We will wait and see if the vicious beating and torture of Matthew Shepard was motivated by hate." "Oh, my God." "Anybody else wanna do this?" "Matthew Shepard was admitted in critical condition at approximately (:15 on October 7." "When he arrived, he was unresponsive and breathing support was being provided." "Matthew's major injuries upon arrival consisted of hypothermia and of a fracture from behind his head to just in front of the right ear." "This has caused bleeding in the brain, as well as pressure on the brain." "Friday night the parents arrived and I went and introduced myself to Dennis and Judy." "It was awful." "Those poor people." "Matthew's temperature has fluctuated over the Iast 24 hours between (8 and 106 degrees." "We arranged a police escort to bring them up." "We set them up in one of our conference rooms gave them food around the clock, gave them a place to stay." "The following is a statement from them." ""First of all, we want to thank the American public..." ""...for their kind thoughts about Matthew..." ""...and their fond wishes for his speedy recovery." ""We appreciate your prayers and good will..." ""...and we know that..." ""...they are something that Matthew would appreciate, too."" "I went up and said:" ""You all tell me what you want me to do or what you want me to say..." ""...or anything you need, and we'II provide it for you."" ""We also have a special request for members of the media." ""We ask that you respect our privacy, as well as Matthew's..." ""...so we can concentrate all of our efforts, thoughts..." ""...and love on our son." ""Thank you very much."" "Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney have pled not guilty to the charges of Kidnapping, aggravated robbery and attempted murder in the first degree." "Russell was just so sweet." "He's the one that was the Eagle Scout." "His whole presence was just quiet and sweet." "He was raised a Mormon." "He was active in that when he was younger, as an elder in the Church." "Of course it doesn't make sense to me." "I know people snap and whatever and like I said, it wasn't a real intimate relationship." "I was just his landlord." "I remember at the Christmas party he was totally drunk out of his mind, you Know, like we all were." "He wasn't belligerent." "He didn't change." "His personality didn't change." "He was still the same little meek russell." "Aaron was a good kid." "That's why I was shocked when I heard this." "He had been living out with his girl." "They just started dating last summer." "They must have gotten pregnant as soon as they started dating." "They had a kid." "21 years old, but he's running around with a kid." "When I first heard, I thought it was really awful." "I don't know whether Aaron was fucked up or coming down or what but Matthew had money." "Shit, he had better clothes than I did." "Matthew was a little rich bitch." "You shouldn't call him that." "It's not right." "I'm not saying he's a bad guy, I'm just saying he's in the wrong place at the wrong time, he said the wrong thing." "Aaron was always dressing up big, you know, big clothes Tommy hilfiger, you know." "polo, Gucci, I don't know." "It probably pissed him off that Matthew was gay, because he didn't like...." "The gay people I've seen him interact with or that I've heard him talk about he was fine with as long as they didn't hit on him or as long as, you Know, it didn't come up." "When I knew Aaron, he was just a young kid." "He was trying to fit in, acting tough, acting cool." "But you know what?" "You could get in his face about it and he would back down like he was some kind of scared kid." "If I saw Aaron right now, I'd just be like, "Why did you fuck up like that?"" "I wanna shake him, you know?" ""What were you thinking?" "What in the hell were you thinking?"" "hello?" "This is her." "Hi, Doctor." "How is he?" "Yes." "I see." "Can you hang on for a moment?" "Mom, can you hang this up?" "I'm gonna take it in there." "I'm here." "Yes." "The part I wasn't telling you about before is that Reggie FIuty is my daughter." "When she told me she wanted to be a police officer I thought there was not a better choice for her." "She could handle whatever came her way." "And then this happens." "That was the hospital." "Matthew Shepard is HIV positive, and they said I've been exposed." "What?" "They said I've been exposed to the AIDS virus." "Because I've been building the Iean-tos for the llamas and I have a bunch of open cuts on my hands, and I got his blood on my hands." "How did you get it on your hands?" "We have shit gloves, you know, and I kept putting them on and you keep putting them on, and they keep breaking, so finally, I ran out." "You touched him without gloves?" "You cannot let a human being just sit there." "Reggie!" "Don't hesitate, that's what goes through your mind." "Don't hesitate, all the time." "So you just keep on moving, and you take care of Matthew and you try to find an open airway, and that's what you do." "Quite frankly, I wanted to lash out at somebody." "Not Matthew, please understand that." "Not one of us was mad at Matthew." "We maybe wanted to squeeze McKinney's head off." "And I think about Henderson...." "You know, two absolutely human beings caused so much grief for so many people." "They wanna start me on these AZT drugs immediately." "If you if you start them within 36 hours maybe that can stop you from getting the disease." "This has been just terrible for my whole family but mostly for her and her kids." "Those drugs, the AZT drugs." "She throws up every day." "She cries so much, she's afraid to touch her Kids." "I just hope she doesn't go before me." "No matter how you dice it, I did have the opportunity." "If I had had amazing 20-20 hindsight I had the opportunity to stop what occurred that night." "I couId have." "I should have Known these guys shouldn't be talking to him." "I shouldn't have had my head down while I was washing dishes for those 20 seconds." "AII those little things I couId've done, and I couId've stopped this." "So what the hell was I thinking?" "And I Keep seeing that picture in my head of when I found him." "And it is not pleasant whatsoever." "I wanna get it out." "I don't want it in there." "That's a big part of it for me, having to see that picture in my head." "I just don't want it in there." "Matthew Shepard's the first gay person I ever saw." "It's Kind of unbelievable to me that I was the person that found him because the big question with my religion is:" "Why did God want me to find him?" ""Let your light shine" ""In the darkness" ""Before the dawn" ""No more sorrow" ""In the nighttime" ""let it shine" ""Oh, lord, Iet it shine"" "Candlelight vigils were held around the country last night." "Denver, Fort Collins, Detroit, Chicago Washington DC, Atlanta...." "All expressing hopes for Matthew's full recovery." "I can't stop crying." "This is what I was trying to stop." "This is what I was trying to stop." "We must do more to deal with violent bigotry, hate crimes...." "I hope that in the grief of this moment and in the shared outrage across America Americans will once again search their hearts and do what they can to reduce their own fear and anxiety and anger at people who are different." "And I hope that Congress will pass the hate crimes legislation." "I thinK the gay community is taking this as an advantage:" ""This is a good time for us to exploit this."" "They made it sound like it was ten murders instead of one." "They're accusing the ranchers of being unreasonable and unsympathetic because of how he was" "And what his persuasions were." "well, he would certainly be welcome in our home." "We'd visit, sit down, have a cup of coffee." "What did you think when you heard two boys from your town did this?" "I certainly don't approve of homosexuals but I don't think anybody has a right to do what those two boys did." "Where do you think that comes from, their hatred towards homosexuals?" "I think what most people fear in the gay community is that sexuality is their number one concern." "Not many people condone it" "When you wear it on your sleeve like a banner...." "There's this whole idea, "You leave me alone, I leave you alone."" "It's even in some of the western literature." ""live and let live."" "That is such crap." "basically, what it boils down to if I don't tell you I'm a fag, you won't beat the crap out of me." "What's so great about that?" "That's a great philosophy?" "I'll sit in church and the reverend will tell you flat out he does not agree with homosexuality, right?" "I don't feel like I know enough about certain things just to be able to say that homosexuality is right when I've been raised my whole life that homosexuality is wrong." "My parents brought me up catholic." "I was brought up to love the sinner, hate the sin." "love the person for who they are, but condemn them for what they do." "Condemn the lifestyle." "I would have to say now I don't agree with it." "I don't agree, and maybe that's just because I couldn't do it but I don't hate them, I won't persecute them." "I'm not gonna let this get in between me and the other person at all or in between you and I." "Not at all." "It's preached in schools that being gay is okay." "If my kids asked me, I'd set them down and I'd tell them:" ""This is what gay people do."" ""This is what animals do, okay?"" "I'd tell them, "This is the life." "This is the lifestyle." "This is what they do."" "And I'd say, "This is why I believe it's wrong."" "Shame!" "Shame!" "Shame!" "Shame!" "In New YorK, the protests for Matthew Shepard turned into a near riot." "police on horses were pushing into the crowds." "The whole world is watching!" "As of (:00 a.m. today, Matthew Shepard remains in critical condition with severe head injuries in the surgical neuro intensive care unit." "As I told you before, it's not a lifestyle with which I agree." "You still feel that way?" "Yes." "The family continues to emphasize that the media respect their privacy." "The family also wants to thank the American public for their concern and kind thoughts for Matthew." "We went to the candle vigil and it was so good to be with people who felt like shit." "I Kept feeling like I don't deserve to feel this bad." "Somebody got up and said, "Come on..." ""..." "let's show the world that laramie is not this kind of a town."" "But it is this kind of a town." "If it wasn't, then why did this happen here?" "I mean, that's a lie, because it happened here." "So how could it not be a town where this Kind of thing happens?" "How can you even say that?" "We have to mourn this, and we have to be sad, but we live in a town a state, a country where shit like this happens." "people are trying to distance themselves from this crime and we need to own this crime, I feel." "Everyone needs to own it." "We are like this." "We are like this." "We are like this." "Not having to deal that much with the gay community here in laramie once we started working into the case and actually talking to people that were gay, realizing what their underlying fears were that's when it sort of hit home." "This is America." "You don't have the right to feel that fear." "Do you think a Iot of people in laramie feel the same way?" "We're always gonna have people that hold up the old ideals and I was probably one of them 14 months ago." "But I'm not gonna put up with it anymore or listen to it." "And if they don't like my views on it, fine." "The door goes both ways." "I've already lost a couple of buddies, but I don't care." "I feel more comfortable and I can sleep at night now." "I really wanna thank you for having us." "Sure, it's our pleasure." "These gatherings, this is a recent thing for us." "This really only happened since Matthew." "And there's a relief in that we finally connected." "It's nice to see there are a Iot of us in laramie." "Is everybody in the company gay?" "No, just the three of us." "Are you out?" "Yes." "I wasn't out before, actually." "But I thought, "probably they all know, but I'm not gonna tell anyone."" "In the Iong run, your seIf-esteem just becomes shit and I just couldn't live like that anymore." "A Iot of people decided that they didn't wanna hide anymore." "I still don't feel that free to be out here." "No one's asking, I'm not telling." "I've always been out and I know how to take care of myself, but since the episode, I've been irrationally terrified and what that means is, we don't let our son walk around at night alone." "Every time I see a pickup truck do a U-turn, I think it's coming after me and I'm shaking so badly, I have to stop what I'm doing." "I think it's because somewhere inside, we all know it could happen to us anytime." "Since our last medical update Matthew Shepard has remained in critical condition with severe head injuries." "As of today, the hospital will no Ionger offer medical updates on a scheduled basis." "If Matthew's medical condition changes we will issue a new medical update and we will immediately contact as many members of the media as is possible." "Thank you." "AII eyes are on laramie, Wyoming, today, where many are turning their focus to their homecoming parade and the fortunes of the University of Wyoming football team." "This apartment has windows on two opposite streets." "One goes north and the other goes south." "That is exactly the homecoming parade route." "On the day of the parade, I had a cast on my leg because of a fall and I was very disappointed because I had heard that some students were gonna be walking for Matthew Shepard and I wanted to join them, but I couldn't, so I watched from that window." "It was just...." "I'm 52 years old and I'm...." "I'm gay." "I've lived here for many years and I've seen a Iot." "And I was very moved when I saw the tag at the end of the homecoming parade." "It was just a group of people walking behind a banner for Matthew Shepard." "But the parade, it went down to the end of the block made a U-turn around the block and I came to the other side of my apartment to watch for it to come south down this street." "Maybe 10 minutes went by." "And then I saw the most incredible thing." "As the parade came down the street the number of people marching for Matthew Shepard had grown, like, five times." "Can you imagine?" "The tag at the end was bigger than the entire parade." "I thought to myself:" ""Thank God I got to see this in my lifetime."" "And my second thought was:" ""Thank you, Matthew."" "I really haven't been all that involved, per se." "My husband's a highway patrolman." "That's the only way I've known about it." "But when I first found out I just thought it was horrible." "I just...." "I can't...." "Nobody deserves that." "I don't care who you are." "But I have to tell you, the media's portraying him as a saint." "They're making him out as a martyr, and I don't think he was." "Did you know him?" "No, I didn't know him but there's so many things I found about him, it's just scary." "About his character, and spreading AIDS, and a few other things." "You know, being...." "About the kind of person he was." "Meaning?" "well...." "He was...." "He was just a barfly." "So, I think he pushed himself on, around or, I don't know." "But I think he flaunted it." "Another thing that wasn't brought out." "Same time that happened, that patroIman was killed and there was nothing." "They didn't say anything about that old man that killed him." "He was driving down the road." "He shouldn't have been driving and he killed him." "And there was just a little piece." "And we lost one of our guys." "You know, my husband worked with him." "This man was brand new on the force." "But, I mean, here's one of ours and it was just a little piece in the paper." "But this was such a deliberate crime." "Everybody's got problems." "But why they're exempIifying Matthew Shepard, I don't know." "A hate crime is a hate crime." "You murder somebody, you hate them." "It has nothing to do if you're a gay or a prostitute or...." "I don't know." "I don't understand." "I don't understand." "November 29, 1998." "We're about to interview Father Roger Schmit." "Here we go." "Two queers and a Catholic priest." "Matthew Shepard has served us well." "You realize that?" "He has served us well." "I cannot mention anyone who has done more for this community than Matthew Shepard." "And I'm not gonna sit here and say, "I was just this bold guy, no fear."" "I was scared." "I was very vocal in this community when this happened so I thought, "should we call the Bishop..." ""...and ask him permission to do the vigil?"" "And I was like:" ""hell, no, I'm not going to do that." ""His permission doesn't make it correct."" "And I'm not knocking bishops but what is correct is correct." "You think violence is what they did to Matthew?" "They did do violence to Matthew." "But, you know...." "Can I make this personal?" "Yeah." "Sure." "Every time you are called a fag or you are called a Iez or...." "Or a dyke." "Dyke, yeah, dyke." "Do you realize that is violence?" "That is the seed of violence." "I would resent it immensely if you use anything I said to somehow cultivate that kind of violence." "well, thank you, Father, for saying that." "Just deal with what is true." "You know what is true." "You need to do your best to say it correct." "These people trust us, you know." "They want...." "They want everyone to know that they are not this crime." "And it's more than clearing laramie's name, it's clearing their own, and I don't know that we can do that." "Reverend?" "Reverend, hi." "Yes?" "I'm Amanda." "I'm with the theatre company that's been speaking with people here in laramie." "I see." "well, Iet me tell you I don't know that I really want to talk with anybody at all about this incident." "I'm somewhat involved, and I really don't feel like it's appropriate." "I completely understand." "I just wanted to tell you, I went to your service." "You went to the services?" "Yes, I did." "On Sunday?" "Yes." "Did I meet you?" "briefly." "You welcomed us in the beginning." "I see." "I will tell you that I am involved." "half the people in the case...." "The girlfriend of the accused is a member of our congregation and one of the accused has visited." "Right." "I think they deserve the death penalty but I will try to deal with them spiritually." "As far as the victim I know that that lifestyle is legal, but I will tell you one thing." "I hope Matthew Shepard as he was tied to that fence that he had time to reflect on a moment when somebody had spoken the Word of the lord to him and that before he slipped into a coma he had a chance to reflect on his lifestyle." "Thank you, Reverend, I appreciate your speaking with me." "AII right." "We better go." "I let him say that to me." "I let him say that to me, and I didn't say anything back." "At midnight, on Monday, October 12 Matthew Shepard's blood pressure began to drop." "We immediately notified the family, who were already at the hospital." "At 12:53 a.m Matthew Shepard died." "His family was at his bedside." "The family did release the following statement." "They again asked me to express their sincerest gratitude to the entire world for the overwhelming response to their son." "The family was grateful that they did not have to make a decision regarding whether or not to continue life support for their son." ""like a good son, he was caring to the end..." ""...and removed guilt or stress from the family." ""He came into the world premature..." ""...and left the world premature." ""Matthew's mother said:" ""'Go...."'" "We'd been up for 72 hours straight and had gone home and gone to sleep for half an hour and get up and come, maybe I was just way...." "I don't Know." "while I was reading that statement, I thought about my own four daughters." "She doesn't have her Kid anymore." ""'Go home..." ""' ...give your kids a hug..." ""'...and don't let a day go by without telling them that you love them."'" "And then we started getting people sending us all these E-mails and letters." ""Do you cry like a baby on TV for all your patients, or just the faggots?"" "Jesus." "After being thrown into this I guess I didn't understand the magnitude with which some people hate." "And of all the letters we got, there were two or three like that." "Most were:" ""Thanks for your caring and compassion."" "And Matthew...." "Matthew got caring and compassion from the moment he got here." "The charges against Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney were upgraded to first-degree murder after Matthew Shepard died on Monday." "If convicted, the two men could face the death penalty." "I'II tell you what." "If they put those two boys to death it wouId defeat everything that Matt would be thinking about them." "Because he would not want those two to die." "He'd wanna leave them with hope." "H-O-P-E." "Just like the whole world hoped that Matt would survive, right?" "This whole thing, you see what I'm saying, this whole thing ropes around hope." "This whole thing, you see what I'm saying, this whole thing ropes around hope." "H-O-P-E." "On the day of the funeral, it was snowing and raining so bad." "By the time I got there, there were already thousands of people." "Dressed in black." "Umbrellas everywhere." "They had two churches set up and still there were hundreds of people outside who couldn't fit inside." "They had this park set up, and the park was full." ""Thou shalt not lie down with mankind as with womankind." ""It is abomination." Matthew Shepard lived his life breaking that commandment!" "If he repented in his dying hours, we hope he did, if not he is in hell along with those killers." "Do you believe in the bible?" "You believe you're supposed to separate the precious from the vile?" "You don't believe that part of the bible." "You stand there, ignorant of the fact...." "After seeing Phelps protesting at Matthew's funeral and then hearing that he's coming back to laramie for russell Henderson's trial I decided that someone needs to stand toe-to-toe and show the difference." "Some people are gonna be sent to hell!" "And I think you know who you are!" "Nobody wouldn't be here if this was just a murder that the state was gonna handle." "The state handles hundreds of murders." "This murder is different because the gays...." "He's not even from Laramie." "He just travels around the country doing these demonstrations." "So we're planning an event." "We're calling it "angel Action."" "This 21-year-oId little lesbian is gonna walk the line with him." "Fear not!" "You lift up your voice like a trumpet and you show my people their transgressions!" "We are sending the message of God!" "God's anger is pure." "And God is gonna send someone to hell!" "That's God's anger!" "Now, we wouldn't be here...." "Do you want your sons and daughters to be taught by faggots in your schools?" "We're not gonna let that happen!" "As soon as they started jury selection everyone was coming into my shop with:" ""I don't wanna be on this trial." "I hope they don't call me," or:" ""Oh, my God, I got called." "How do I get off?"" "Just wanting to get as far away from it as they could." "Very fearful that they were gonna have to be part of that jury." "Then I heard Henderson had to sit in the courtroom while they questioned prospective jurors." "And one of the questions they asked was:" ""Would you be willing..." ""...to put this person to death?"" "And I understand a lot of the comments were:" ""Yes, I would."" ""Absolutely."" ""Yep, no problem."" "Can you imagine hearing that?" "Juror after juror after juror." "These are people that he Knows." "No wonder he changed his plea." "You entered a not guilty plea earlier, Mr. Henderson." "But I understand you wish to change your plea today?" "Yes, sir." "Do you understand that the recommended sentence here is two life sentences?" "Yes, sir." "And do you understand that those may run concurrently or consecutively?" "Yes, sir." "Before the court makes that decision I understand that there are statements to be made by at Ieast one individual." "let's proceed with that." "As the grandmother and the person who raised Russell along with my family we have written the following statement." ""Our hearts ache for the pain and suffering that the Shepards have went through." ""We have prayed for your family since the very beginning." ""Many times throughout the day, I have thought about Matt." ""You will continue to be in our thoughts and prayers..." ""...as we know that your pain will never go away." ""You have showed such mercy and we are so grateful..." ""...that you are giving us all the opportunity to live." ""Your Honor..." ""...we, as a family..." ""...hope that as you sentence russell..." ""...that you will do it concurrently..." ""...for two life terms." ""For the russell we know and love..." ""...we humbly plead, Your Honor..." ""...to not take russell completely out of our lives..." ""...forever."" "Mr. and Mrs. Shepard there is not a moment that goes by that I don't see what happened that night." "I know what I did was very wrong and I regret greatly what I did." "You have my greatest sympathies for what happened." "I hope that one day, you will be able to find it in your hearts to forgive me." "Mr. Henderson this court does not believe that you really feel any true remorse for your part in this matter." "And I wonder whether you fully realize the gravity of what you have done." "You drove the vehicle that took Matthew Shepard to his death." "You bound him to that fence in order that he might be more savagely beaten and in order that he might not escape to tell his tale." "You left him out there for 18 hours perhaps having an opportunity to save his life perhaps having an opportunity to save his life and you did nothing." "As to count three, that being felony murder with robbery you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life." "For count one kidnapping you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life." "Sentencing for count one to run consecutive to sentencing for count three." "After the sentencing, the Mormon Church decided to excommunicate Russell." "He's got a Mormon home teacher that visits him in prison every week." "Nobody from the church is gonna go visit him?" "Not supposed to." "They're not supposed to pray for him." "He'II just sort of disappear." "What happened that night?" "We need to know." "This town needs to Know." "I need some more light on them." "I never get tired of this play." "Try directing it 50 times." "You can relax, just keep the umbrellas up." "I hear you're doing Angels in America next year." "We have an obligation to reach our students and the question is, how do you move...." "How do you reach a whole state where there is such deep-seated hostility toward gays?" "How do you reach them?" "Angels in America is just the beginning." "And guess who's auditioning for the lead?" "My parents, right, they're like:" ""So what plays are they doing in school this year?"" ""let's see, Angels in America."" ""Wait." ""Angels in America?" "Isn't that that play?" ""It's that scene?" ""So you're gonna audition for this?"" "And I said:" ""Yeah, I am."" "Huge argument, right?" "It was this huge argument, and my mom says:" ""You know, homosexuality is a sin." "homosexuality is a sin."" "But the best thing that I knew I had on them was that they had just seen me right before this, onstage in Macbeth." "I murdered this little kid and lady macduff and these two other guys, right?" "I'm like, "Mom...." ""I just played a murderer tonight, and you..." ""...didn't seem to have any problem with that."" "So when's the audition?" "Tuesday." "I have never prepared myself for an audition like this in my Iife." "Not even close." "Everybody second-guesses what you're doing." "You get a Iot of heavy criticism." "You did everything wrong." "You're not supposed to touch anybody without gloves and protective gear." "Then they make you out to be some kind of big hero." "Some Joe blow down the block, he could have done a better job than I did." "people do extraordinary things every day." "I think this has really brought home to my girls what their mom does for a living." "Just a minute." "It's the decision of the County's Attorney's Office that this will be tried as a death penalty case." "That's all I have for you now." "Thank you." "How can I protest if the Shepards want McKinney dead?" "I just can't interfere in that." "But on a personal level, I knew Aaron in grade school." "He wasn't called Aaron." "We called him A.J." "How can we put A.J. McKinney to death?" "I think right now our most important teachers must be russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney." "They have to be our teachers." "How did you learn?" "What did we do as a society to teach you that?" "I don't know if many people will let them be their teacher." "I think it wouId be wonderful if the judge said:" ""In addition to the sentence..." ""...you must tell your story." ""You must tell your story."" "This is a tape recording of the confession given by Aaron James McKinney to me as detective in charge of the investigation." "This confession was recorded two days after the attack." "So, you guys go to the Fireside, right?" "Yeah." "Where do you go after you leave the Fireside?" "Some Kid wanted a ride home." "What's he look like?" "like a queer." "He looks like a queer?" "Yeah, Iike a fag, you know?" "Okay, so, how'd you meet him?" "The fag?" "The queer guy?" "We were meeting at the bar." "He asked us what we were drinking and doing." "So what happened after you met him?" "He wanted a ride home, and I just thought, "The dude's drunk, let's just take him home."" "When did you and Russ talk about jacking him up?" "We Kinda talked about it at the bar." "Tell me what happened next." "Drove him out past Wal Mart." "We got over there and he starts grabbing my leg and grabbing my genitals and I was like, "I'm not a fucking faggot." "If you touch me again, you're gonna get it."" "I don't know what the hell he was trying to do but I beat him up pretty bad." "I think I killed him." "What did you hit him with?" "I blacked out." "My fist, my pistol, the butt of the gun." "I wonder what happened to me." "I had a few beers and I don't know." "It's like I couId see what was going on." "It was like somebody else was doing it." "What was the first thing he said or did that made you want to hit him?" "He put his hand on my leg and sIid his hand like he was gonna grab my balls." "When that defense team argued that McKinney did what he did because Matthew made a pass at him I just wanted to vomit because that's like saying it's okay." "It was disgusting and we were all just disgusted." "It was disgusting and we were all just disgusted." "It was just rude, and that was less than integrous behavior." "We were all just disgusted by that quality of defense." "It's like the Twinkie defense, when the guy killed Harvey milk and Moscone." "It's the same thing." "As much as a part of me didn't want the defense saying that it was a gay bashing or gay panic a part of me was really grateful." "Because I was really afraid that in this trial they were gonna try and say that it was a robbery, or it was about drugs." "So when they used gay panic as the defense I thought, "This is good..." ""...because if nothing else, the truth is gonna come out." ""The truth is gonna be told."" "About how many times did you hit him in the truck before you guys stopped where you left him?" "I'd say I hit him two or three times." "probably three times with my fists and six times with the pistol." "Did he ask you to stop?" "Yeah, he was getting the shit kicked out of him." "What did he say?" "After he asked me to stop, most all he was doing was screaming." "Was Matthew conscious while russell was tying him to the fence?" "Yeah." "I told him, "Turn around and don't look at my license plate number" because I was scared he would tell the police." "And then I asked him what my license plate said." "He read it and that's why I hit him a few more times." "Just to be sure?" "My secret hope was that they were from somewhere else that then you can create this distance." "We don't grow children like that here." "It's pretty clear we do grow children like that here." "So obviously you don't like gay people?" "No, I don't." "would you say you hate them?" "No, I really don't hate them, but when they start..." "So you've been approached by gay people before?" "No, not really." "Did he threaten you?" "This gay dude?" "Yeah." "No." "Can you answer me one thing?" "Why did you guys take his shoes?" "I don't know." "I'm never gonna get to see my son again?" "I don't know." "He's gonna die for sure?" "There is no doubt that Mr. Shepard is going to die." "So what are they gonna give me, 25 to life?" "Or the death penalty and just get it over with?" "That's not our job." "That's the job of the judge and the jury." "The strange thing is, 20 minutes before Matthew was brought in Aaron McKinney, one of the perpetrators, was brought in by his girlfriend." "Wait." "McKinney was here?" "Yeah." "I guess he went back into town later that same night and got in a fight." "And so there's Aaron on one bed in my ER and just a few beds down is Matthew." "Then two days later, I found out the connection." "Has the jury reached a verdict?" "We have, Your Honor." "I was very struck." "They were two kids." "They were both my patients, but they were two kids." "I took care of both of them, took care of both their bodies and I felt a great deal of compassion for both of them." "We, the jury impaneIed and sworn to try the above-entitIed cause after having well and truly tried the matter unanimousIy find as follows:" "As to the charge of kidnapping we find the defendant, Aaron James McKinney guilty." "As to the charge of felony murder we find the defendant, Aaron James McKinney guilty." "The jury returns to the courthouse today to start considering the punishment a phase of the trial that will probably last until next week." "I am working with McKinney, counseling him." "I don't think he can conceptualize the gravity of something like capital punishment but I'm going to be praying like the dickens tonight that we don't have to go through this next phase." "I don't know if you believe in prayer, but would you do this for me?" "would you just say, from time to time:" ""lord, I lift him up to you."" "Just do that for me." "Of course, Father." "The sentencing phase of McKinney's trial was to begin momentarily." "However, now we're hearing that Judy and Dennis Shepard have been approached by the defense team, who have pled for their client's life." "We understand Mr. Shepard may approach the court this morning." ""My son Matthew..." ""...did not look like a winner." ""He was rather uncoordinated..." ""...and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died." ""However, in his aII-too-brief life, he proved that he was a winner." ""On October 6, 1((8..." ""...my son tried to show the world that he could win again." ""On October 12, 1((8..." ""...my first-born son and my hero lost." ""On October 12, 1((8..." ""...my first-born son and my hero died..." ""...50 days before his 22nd birthday." ""I keep wondering the same thing that I did when I first saw him in the hospital." ""What would he have become?" ""How could he have changed his piece of the world to make it better?" ""Matt officially died in a hospital in Fort collins, colorado." ""He actually died on the outskirts of laramie..." ""...tied to a fence." ""You, Mr. McKinney, with your friend Mr. Henderson..." ""..." "left him there by himself..." ""...but he was not alone." ""There were his lifelong friends with him..." ""...friends that he had grown up with." ""You're probably wondering who these friends were." ""First, he had the beautiful night sky and the same stars and moon..." ""...we used to see through a telescope." ""Then he had the daylight and the sun to shine on him." ""And through it all..." ""...he was breathing in the scent of the pine trees from the Snowy Range." ""He heard the wind..." ""...the ever-present Wyoming wind, for the Iast time." ""He had one more friend with him." ""He had God." ""And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone." ""Matt's beating, hospitalization, and funeral put worldwide attention on hate." ""Good is coming out of evil." ""people have said, 'Enough is enough.'" ""I miss my son..." ""...but I am proud to be able to say that he was my son." ""Judy has been quoted as being against the death penalty." ""It has been stated that Matt was against the death penalty." ""Both of these statements are wrong." ""I, too, believe in the death penalty." ""I would Iike nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney." ""However, this is the time to begin the healing process..." ""...to show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy." ""Mr. McKinney..." ""..." "I am going to grant you life..." ""...as hard as it is to do so, because of Matthew." ""Every time you celebrate Christmas..." ""...a birthday, the Fourth of july, remember that Matt isn't." ""Every time you wake up in your prison cell..." ""...remember you had the opportunity..." ""...and the ability to stop your actions that night." ""You robbed me of something very precious..." ""...and I will never forgive you for that." ""Mr. McKinney..." ""..." "I give you life..." ""...in the memory of someone who no Ionger lives." ""May you have a Iong life..." ""...and may you thank Matthew every day for it."" "Thank you very much." "Mr. McKinney, you will be remanded to the custody of the albany County Sheriff's Department pending transportation to the state penitentiary." "ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this matter." "I hope, when you think of this town, you can see something besides a crime and understand why we love it so much." "I'm just really glad that it's over." "You know, I really am." "Testifying in this trial has been one of the hardest things I've had to do in my Iife." "I mean, don't get me wrong." "I Iove the stage, I'm a natural for it but the actual testifying is really, really difficult." "The lawyers are asking you questions so you have questions that are coming at you in this avenue but then you have to funnel them over to the jury." "So you funnel them over there, and what you end up with is...." "well, basically, you have a funneling system." "Right?" "After taking the ATZ for six months, I was able to get a DNA test." "And it was about a week later, I found out that I was negative for good." "Wow." "Thank God." "That's great." "I tell you, we were all on our knees saying hall Marys." "Yeah, you're just so elated." "We were really happy." "So what's the first thing she does?" "I stuck my tongue right in my husband's mouth." "What about your daughters?" "The girls, they just bawled." "They were just so happy." "And the force...." "Boy." "Yeah, we went out and got shit-faced." "I just kissed everybody who came through that door." "They don't need to know that." "You know what?" "If it was a male or a female, I kissed them on the lips." "What part of what I just said did you not understand?" "Mom, I have already kissed them." "It's not clear to me, having Known Matthew what story he would want told about this." "We won't fully understand what happened here until time has had a chance to filter that out for us." "What happened here, the culture that caused this the complex set of events leading up to it it wouId have been like us trying to stop a tank." "Change is not an easy thing, and I don't think people were up to it." "They got what they wanted." "Those two boys got what they deserve, and we look good now." "It's been over a year since Matthew Shepard died and they haven't passed shit in Wyoming." "They haven't passed it at a state level any town, anybody, anywhere has passed any kind of laws." "Anti-discrimination laws or hate crime legislation nobody has passed anything anywhere." "What's come out of it?" "What's come out of it that's concrete and lasting?" ""The dead will be commemorated and will struggle on with the living..." ""...and we are not going away." ""We won't die secret deaths anymore." ""The world only spins forward." ""We will be citizens." ""The time has come." ""'Bye, now."" "Have you ever gone out to the fence?" "I drove up to the site in my limousine and I remembered something to myself the night he and I drove around together." "He said, "laramie sparkles, doesn't it?"" "And where he was in that spot up there if you sit exactly in that spot up there, laramie sparkles from there." "With the Iow-Iying clouds it's the blue lights bouncing off the clouds from the airport and it goes over the whole city." "I mean it blows you away." "Matt was right there in that spot, and I can just picture in his eyes...." "I can picture what he was seeing." "The last thing that he saw on this earth was the sparkling lights of Laramie, Wyoming."