"SCOTT:" "Hello!" "CAITLYN:" "I don'tthinkScott" "CAITLYN:" "I don'tthinkScott and I have ever really "bonded."" "and I have ever really "bonded." SCOTT:" "Comeon ,girls." "SCOTT:" "Comeon ,girls." "JENNY:" "Thepurse,can Ijust" "JENNY:" "Thepurse,can Ijust  say, it's a slippery slope." "say, it's a slippery slope." "Be careful." "Be careful." "SCOTT:" "I know." "SCOTT:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "Comeon ,let'sride!" "CAITLYN:" "Comeon ,let'sride!" "(revs engine)" "(revs engine) CHANDI:" "Backin theday ,I" "CHANDI:" "Backin theday ,I was running around with the was running around with the wrong crowd, and I ended up wrong crowd, and I ended up going to prison." "going to prison." "CANDIS:" "You'recute." "Icould" "CANDIS:" "You'recute." "Icould totally kiss you." "totally kiss you." "It's really nice to be able to," "It's really nice to be able to, like, have something with like, have something with somebody that I like." "somebody that I like." "What are you thinking?" "Being on this trip, it's so so weird, I can't remember what so weird, I can't remember what day it is." "day it is." "CHANDI:" "Isit Monday?" "CHANDI:" "Isit Monday?" "JENNY:" "Todayis "Mundy"" "JENNY:" "Todayis "Mundy" night." "night." "CHANDI:" "Exactly." "CHANDI:" "Exactly." "CANDIS:" "Monday?"Mundy"?" "CANDIS:" "Monday?"Mundy"?" "JENNY:" Mundy"night." "JENNY:" Mundy"night." "CANDIS:" Mundy."" "CANDIS:" Mundy." JENNY:" Mundy."" "JENNY:" Mundy." CHANDI:" Mundy"?" "CHANDI:" Mundy"?" "JENNY:" "DoIsay otherthings" "JENNY:" "DoIsay otherthings with-with an accent?" "with-with an accent?" ""Mundy." "Mundy" night." ""Mundy." "Mundy" night." "CHANDI:" Mundy."" Mundy."" "CHANDI:" Mundy."" Mundy." JENNY:" "Mon-Mon-day." "Whatdo" "JENNY:" "Mon-Mon-day." "Whatdo you say?" "you say?" "CANDIS:" "Monday." "CANDIS:" "Monday." "JENNY:" Mundy."" "JENNY:" Mundy." CHANDI:" Mundy."( laughing)" "CHANDI:" Mundy."( laughing) JENNY:" "What?" "JENNY:" "What?" "Wait, you say it." "Wait, you say it." "CHANDI:" "Monday." "CHANDI:" "Monday." "JENNY:" Mundy."" "JENNY:" Mundy." CHANDI:" Mundy."( laughs)" "CHANDI:" Mundy."( laughs) CANDIS:" "Like"Bundy."" "CANDIS:" "Like"Bundy." She's like, "What?"" "She's like, "What?" ELLA:" Toosdy."" "ELLA:" Toosdy." JENNY:" "Mon-Monday?" "JENNY:" "Mon-Monday?" "CHANDI:" "Monday." "CHANDI:" "Monday." "JENNY:" "Mon-Monday." "JENNY:" "Mon-Monday." "CHANDI:" Mundy."" "CHANDI:" Mundy." JENNY:" "Isthathow you say" "JENNY:" "Isthathow you say  it, "Mon-day"?" "it, "Mon-day"?" "CHANDI:" Mundy"?" "CHANDI:" Mundy"?" "(laughs)" "(laughs) We got our lives on "Mundy."" "We got our lives on "Mundy." (laughter)" "(laughter) JENNY:" "You'rekillingme." "JENNY:" "You'rekillingme." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CHANDI:" "J.B.!" "CHANDI:" "J.B.!" "(Candis laughing)" "(Candis laughing) Whew!" "Whew!" "ELLA:" "It's"Mundy."" "ELLA:" "It's"Mundy." CHANDI:" "Well,actually,it's" "CHANDI:" "Well,actually,it's Tuesday." "Tuesday." "It's Tuesday now." "It's Tuesday now." "(laughter)" "(laughter) ķ ķ" "(phone ringing)" "CAITLYN:" "Thereyouare !" "KOURTNEY:" "How'sit going?" "KOURTNEY:" "How'sit going?" "CAITLYN:" "It'sgoing," "CAITLYN:" "It'sgoing, actually, very well." "actually, very well." "I'm on Highway 70 to St. Louis," "I'm on Highway 70 to St. Louis, Missouri." "Missouri." "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,nice!" "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,nice!" "CAITLYN:" "Andguesswho called" "CAITLYN:" "Andguesswho called me." "me." "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah." "Who?" "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah." "Who?" "CAITLYN:" "Guess..." "Scott." "CAITLYN:" "Guess..." "Scott." "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,really?" "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,really?" "CAITLYN:" "Hekindofreached" "CAITLYN:" "Hekindofreached out." "out." "Kind of wanted to talk, hang" "Kind of wanted to talk, hang out, so he's on his... out, so he's on his..." ""supposably" on his way to St." ""supposably" on his way to St. Louis." "Louis." "So, he's gonna meet us there" "So, he's gonna meet us there tomorrow." "tomorrow." "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,no way!" "KOURTNEY:" "Oh,no way!" "CAITLYN:" "So,yeah." "So, Ijust" "CAITLYN:" "So,yeah." "So, Ijust  kind of wanted to check with you kind of wanted to check with you on th... on th..." "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,that'sfine" "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,that'sfine with me." "with me." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "Ihear" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "Ihear  he's sober." "he's sober." "Is that what you hear?" "Is that what you hear?" "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,he 'sbeen" "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,he 'sbeen sober." "sober." "He's been seeing the kids every" "He's been seeing the kids every day." "day." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,good." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,good." "I-I'm glad he's, you know, doing" "I-I'm glad he's, you know, doing well." "well." "I have not seen Scott since he" "I have not seen Scott since he got back from rehab." "got back from rehab." "You know, he's been through a" "You know, he's been through a lot, so I would love for him to lot, so I would love for him to be around the girls, who have be around the girls, who have been through so much in their" "been through so much in their life and have come out so well." "life and have come out so well." "So I think he's gonna spend a" "So I think he's gonna spend a day with-with me and the girls." "day with-with me and the girls." "KOURTNEY:" "Okay,fun!" "KOURTNEY:" "Okay,fun!" "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Good,good." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Good,good." "All right, then it should be" "All right, then it should be good." "good." "Love you!" "Bye!" "Love you!" "Bye!" "KOURTNEY:" "Loveyou!" "Bye !" "KOURTNEY:" "Loveyou!" "Bye !" "KATE:" "Whois Scott?" "KATE:" "Whois Scott?" "CAITLYN:" "Scottis my" "CAITLYN:" "Scottis my  stepdaughter Kourtney's baby stepdaughter Kourtney's baby daddy." "daddy." "KATE:" "Oh..." "KATE:" "Oh..." "CAITLYN:" "Theynevergot" "CAITLYN:" "Theynevergot  married, but they just had three married, but they just had three kids together." "kids together." "Wonderful little kids." "Wonderful little kids." "Scott is not a bad guy, but he's" "Scott is not a bad guy, but he's got... he's had a huge drinking got... he's had a huge drinking problem." "problem." "And it's really had a major" "And it's really had a major impact on his life." "impact on his life." "So he's trying to get his life" "So he's trying to get his life back together." "back together." "You know, he's been through a" "You know, he's been through a lot." "lot." "So, uh, anyway, he's gonna meet" "So, uh, anyway, he's gonna meet us in St. Louis." "Chandi, to get back on a serious note... note..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Asyouknowbetter" "CAITLYN:" "Asyouknowbetter than anybody, we had a bad year." "than anybody, we had a bad year." "21 hate crimes towards trans 21 hate crimes towards trans women." "women." "So many of these women," "So many of these women, especially in the homicide side especially in the homicide side of it... of it..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:...uh,aretrans" "CAITLYN:...uh,aretrans women of color." "women of color." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Why?" "CAITLYN:" "Why?" "CHANDI:" "Well,alot ofthem" "CHANDI:" "Well,alot ofthem  don't get the love that they don't get the love that they need at home." "need at home." "It's a lot easier for-for" "It's a lot easier for-for parents to accept their children parents to accept their children being gay." "being gay." "Being trans is taking things to" "Being trans is taking things to a whole nother level." "a whole nother level." "That's... a little bit harder" "That's... a little bit harder for them to accept." "for them to accept." "They choose to, in most cases," "They choose to, in most cases, put their children out." "put their children out." "That's why they have to turn to," "That's why they have to turn to, um, survival sex and survival um, survival sex and survival situations in order for them situations in order for them to be able to navigate to be able to navigate themselves through life." "themselves through life." "CAITLYN:" "Dotheyunderstand" "CAITLYN:" "Dotheyunderstand the dangers of doing it, what the dangers of doing it, what they're doing?" "they're doing?" "CHANDI:" "Theydon'tcareabout" "CHANDI:" "Theydon'tcareabout the danger." "the danger." "CANDIS:" "Theyknowthe" "CANDIS:" "Theyknowthe  dangers, but they don't care." "dangers, but they don't care." "CAITLYN:" "Theydon'tcare?" "CAITLYN:" "Theydon'tcare?" "CANDIS:" "Theydon'tcare." "CANDIS:" "Theydon'tcare." "CHANDI:...onthestreet." "CHANDI:...onthestreet." "CANDIS:" "Theyneedtosurvive" "CANDIS:" "Theyneedtosurvive day to day." "day to day." "CHANDI:" "Theyneeda-a roof" "CHANDI:" "Theyneeda-a roof over their head at night." "over their head at night." "They need to know where their" "They need to know where their next meal is coming from." "next meal is coming from." "It's all about making money to" "It's all about making money to survive on the streets." "survive on the streets." "CAITLYN:" "Whyis it so" "CAITLYN:" "Whyis it so  difficult for trans women of difficult for trans women of color to get a job?" "color to get a job?" "CHANDI:" "A lotof times,race" "CHANDI:" "A lotof times,race plays a big part of it." "plays a big part of it." "CANDIS:" "Itreallydoes." "CANDIS:" "Itreallydoes." "CHANDI:" "Itdoes." "CHANDI:" "Itdoes." "CAITLYN:" "That'sshockingto" "CAITLYN:" "That'sshockingto me." "me." "CHANDI:" "That'showit'sbeen ." "CHANDI:" "That'showit'sbeen ." "CAITLYN:" "I-I..." "No ." "CAITLYN:" "I-I..." "No ." "O-Obviously." "I-I've never seen" "O-Obviously." "I-I've never seen it, so... but I... obviously, it, so... but I... obviously, you lived through this." "you lived through this." "But I-I..." "But I-I..." "CHANDI:" "I dofeellikeCait" "CHANDI:" "I dofeellikeCait  needs to embrace the issues that needs to embrace the issues that African-American trans women go" "African-American trans women go through a little more, but it's through a little more, but it's still a journey that she'll still a journey that she'll never relate to in any way." "CANDIS:" "Oh,theArch!" "The St. Louis Arch." "The St. Louis Arch." "CAITLYN:" "TheArchofSt." "CAITLYN:" "TheArchofSt. Louis!" "Louis!" "ELLA:" "Oh,my golly!" "ELLA:" "Oh,my golly!" "CAITLYN:" "Thereit is ,right" "CAITLYN:" "Thereit is ,right over there." "See it?" "over there." "See it?" "KIP:" "Oh,wow,lookatit !" "KIP:" "Oh,wow,lookatit !" "ELLA:" "Oh,yeah!" "ELLA:" "Oh,yeah!" "ķ ķ ķ ķ KATE:" "Oh,golly,we'rehere ." "ELLA:" "Wemadeit!" "KATE:" "Goodeveningtoyou." "(birds chirping)" "(treadmill whirring) ANDREW:" "I toldyouIwas" "ANDREW:" "I toldyouIwas gonna push you, didn't I?" "gonna push you, didn't I?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "ANDREW:" "Yeah." "ANDREW:" "Yeah." "See, now you started out liking" "See, now you started out liking me, loving me, and now you just me, loving me, and now you just kind of like, uh, uh... now it's kind of like, uh, uh... now it's got a love/hate relationship." "got a love/hate relationship." "CANDIS:" "SoI'vebeenfeeling" "CANDIS:" "SoI'vebeenfeeling a little blah lately because I a little blah lately because I haven't been working out." "haven't been working out." "So I found a trainer, and he's" "So I found a trainer, and he's super cute so I'm excited about super cute so I'm excited about our workout." "our workout." "ANDREW:" "Goodjob." "Takea" "ANDREW:" "Goodjob." "Takea break, minute break." "break, minute break." "Here you go." "Here you go." "So what do you have planned for" "So what do you have planned for the rest of the day?" "the rest of the day?" "CANDIS:" "Maybewalkdownhere" "CANDIS:" "Maybewalkdownhere  and see the sights or something?" "and see the sights or something?" "ANDREW:" "Perfect." "ANDREW:" "Perfect." "CANDIS:" "Ifyou'rebored,you" "CANDIS:" "Ifyou'rebored,you could join me." "could join me." "ANDREW:" "Okay,yeah." "ANDREW:" "Okay,yeah." "Take a little walk." "Take a little walk." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I'm not somebody who usually" "I'm not somebody who usually asks somebody out, so I kind of asks somebody out, so I kind of was like, "Let's just kind of was like, "Let's just kind of take a chance and... see what" "take a chance and... see what happens."" "happens." ANDREW:" "I 'llseeyouatthe" "ANDREW:" "I 'llseeyouatthe lobby." "lobby." "All right." "Bye." "I'll have a cappuccino." "CANDIS:" "You'regonnamakeme" "CANDIS:" "You'regonnamakeme eat alone?" "eat alone?" "ANDREW:" "Okay." "I'lleat ." "ANDREW:" "Okay." "I'lleat ." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "(Andrew chuckles)" "(Andrew chuckles) ANDREW:" "Um..." "ANDREW:" "Um..." "CANDIS:" "See?" "Iget myway." "CANDIS:" "See?" "Iget myway." "ANDREW:" "Youdo ,youdo, you" "ANDREW:" "Youdo ,youdo, you  do." "do." "CANDIS:" "It'sjustsocute ," "CANDIS:" "It'sjustsocute , this little alley there, with, this little alley there, with, like, the restaurants and... like, the restaurants and..." "ANDREW:" "So,question." "ANDREW:" "So,question." "'Cause I'm curious." "'Cause I'm curious." "And, of course, you can stop me" "And, of course, you can stop me if you want." "if you want." "Um, you've dated other guys," "Um, you've dated other guys, right, in the past?" "right, in the past?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "ANDREW:" "Like,'causeyou 've" "ANDREW:" "Like,'causeyou 've totally been open with them." "totally been open with them." "Like, "This is who I am and..."" "Like, "This is who I am and..." CANDIS:" "Thisis whoIam ." "CANDIS:" "Thisis whoIam ." "ANDREW:" "Right." "ANDREW:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Forme ,personally," "CANDIS:" "Forme ,personally, I'm always open about my" "I'm always open about my transition when I'm dating transition when I'm dating somebody." "somebody." "ANDREW:" "How-howhavethey" "ANDREW:" "How-howhavethey taken that?" "taken that?" "CANDIS:" "Well,theguysthat" "CANDIS:" "Well,theguysthat  I've dated, obviously, are fine" "I've dated, obviously, are fine with it, you know?" "with it, you know?" "I guess it depends on the guy" "I guess it depends on the guy and how comfortable they are and how comfortable they are with their own masculinity." "with their own masculinity." "And this is the longest I've" "And this is the longest I've been without a relationship, and been without a relationship, and it's been nice to finally date it's been nice to finally date myself for a while." "myself for a while." "You know what I mean?" "You know what I mean?" "And I think I've discovered what" "And I think I've discovered what I like and..." "I like and..." "ANDREW:" "Whatdo youlike?" "ANDREW:" "Whatdo youlike?" "CANDIS:" "Tall,dark,and" "CANDIS:" "Tall,dark,and  handsome." "handsome." "ANDREW:" "Tall,dar..." "Oh," "ANDREW:" "Tall,dar..." "Oh,  really?" "really?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "ANDREW:" "Interesting." "ANDREW:" "Interesting." "I think it might be just around" "I think it might be just around the corner." "the corner." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Andrew is kind of surprising me," "Andrew is kind of surprising me, because we're actually really because we're actually really connecting and I'm attracted to connecting and I'm attracted to him and he seems like he's him and he seems like he's flirting back." "flirting back." "So that's kind of cool." "So that's kind of cool." "ANDREW:" "Thereanythingyou" "ANDREW:" "Thereanythingyou  would want to know about me?" "would want to know about me?" "CANDIS:" "Howdidyou get that" "CANDIS:" "Howdidyou get that perfect skin and that gorgeous perfect skin and that gorgeous body?" "body?" "ANDREW:" "Well,Iwas bornthis" "ANDREW:" "Well,Iwas bornthis  way, and so thank my parents." "way, and so thank my parents." "(both laugh)" "(birds chirping) (doorbell rings)" "(doorbell rings) (door opens)" "(door opens) CAITLYN:" "Hey,babe." "CAITLYN:" "Hey,babe." "CHANDI:" "Lookat you!" "CHANDI:" "Lookat you!" "CAITLYN:" "Lookat you." "Lookat" "CAITLYN:" "Lookat you." "Lookat you!" "you!" "My God, girl." "My God, girl." "CHANDI:" "Well,youknow?" "CHANDI:" "Well,youknow?" "CAITLYN:" "Thistimeinthe" "CAITLYN:" "Thistimeinthe morning, and you're just all morning, and you're just all dressed up, ready to go." "dressed up, ready to go." "Let's take this day on." "Let's take this day on." "CHANDI:" "I thinkIfelta" "CHANDI:" "I thinkIfelta little... unresolved, like there little... unresolved, like there was something that I needed to was something that I needed to say to Cait so that she can say to Cait so that she can identify better with where" "identify better with where African-American trans women" "African-American trans women come from." "come from." "CAITLYN:" "I hearMama'scoming" "CAITLYN:" "I hearMama'scoming to St. Louis." "to St. Louis." "CHANDI:" "Sheadoresyou ." "CHANDI:" "Sheadoresyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Mmm,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "Mmm,Iknow." "(both laugh)" "(both laugh) Anyway, you said you wanted to" "Anyway, you said you wanted to talk." "talk." "CHANDI:" "Yeah,Iwantedto" "CHANDI:" "Yeah,Iwantedto talk to you because I wanted to talk to you because I wanted to tell you a little bit about my tell you a little bit about my past." "past." "Back in the day, before I got" "Back in the day, before I got into doing all of this work that into doing all of this work that I've been doing, I was running" "I've been doing, I was running around with the wrong crowd." "around with the wrong crowd." "Because I was going through" "Because I was going through trying to figure out who I am trying to figure out who I am and I didn't necessarily want to and I didn't necessarily want to deal with explaining it to my deal with explaining it to my family, so I wanted to try to" "family, so I wanted to try to see if I could figure it out on see if I could figure it out on my own." "my own." "I got into some heavy stuff, you" "I got into some heavy stuff, you know, doing some white-collar know, doing some white-collar crimes and writing checks and crimes and writing checks and doing credit cards and stuff doing credit cards and stuff like that, and I ended up going" "like that, and I ended up going to prison." "CAITLYN:" "Disickis in the house." "house." "SCOTT:" "Hello!" "Lookatthis !" "SCOTT:" "Hello!" "Lookatthis !" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis  unbelievable." "unbelievable." "I don't think Scott and I have" "I don't think Scott and I have ever really "bonded."" "ever really "bonded." (motorcycles rumbling)" "(motorcycles rumbling) Come on, let's ride!" "CHANDI:" "I endedup goingto prison." "prison." "I was scared to death." "I was scared to death." "I was scared to death." "I was scared to death." "And, um, at that time, like," "And, um, at that time, like, maybe ten of us who were openly maybe ten of us who were openly homosexual-- as that's... 'cause homosexual-- as that's... 'cause that's what they called us-- um," "that's what they called us-- um, up against maybe 1,500 men." "up against maybe 1,500 men." "CAITLYN:" "Forme ,I-Ican 't" "CAITLYN:" "Forme ,I-Ican 't see little Chandi, you know, in see little Chandi, you know, in jail." "jail." "I can't even visualize that," "I can't even visualize that, 'cause she's such a good person." "'cause she's such a good person." "What were you using that money" "What were you using that money for, just... for, just..." "CHANDI:" "Survival." "Um ,food," "CHANDI:" "Survival." "Um ,food, hormones, a place to stay." "hormones, a place to stay." "'Cause none of us had jobs." "'Cause none of us had jobs." "We were all living from day to" "We were all living from day to day." "day." "You know, it wasn't a easy road" "You know, it wasn't a easy road getting here." "getting here." "I wish someone would've told me" "I wish someone would've told me back then that if I became a back then that if I became a felon that I wouldn't be able felon that I wouldn't be able to work at a bank or how it" "to work at a bank or how it would be a problem for me to get would be a problem for me to get a passport." "a passport." "That was me back in that day" "That was me back in that day before I became who I am." "before I became who I am." "CAITLYN:" "Yourparentswere" "CAITLYN:" "Yourparentswere not there for you." "not there for you." "CHANDI:" "Theyweren'tthere" "CHANDI:" "Theyweren'tthere only because I didn't want to only because I didn't want to tell them." "tell them." "CAITLYN:" "Aboutbeingtrans?" "CAITLYN:" "Aboutbeingtrans?" "CHANDI:" "Aboutbeingtrans." "CHANDI:" "Aboutbeingtrans." "I just didn't know how they" "I just didn't know how they would accept that." "would accept that." "Me and my mom struggled through" "Me and my mom struggled through my transition because we... just my transition because we... just didn't know how we would come didn't know how we would come together on the fact that I was together on the fact that I was changing from who she bore as a" "changing from who she bore as a child." "child." "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhaveanybody" "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhaveanybody to confide in, at that point?" "to confide in, at that point?" "CHANDI:" "Well,my friendsthat" "CHANDI:" "Well,my friendsthat I was running around with at" "I was running around with at that time, um, we all, you know, that time, um, we all, you know, talked about it, because there talked about it, because there was a couple of us who were" "was a couple of us who were going through the same thing." "going through the same thing." "We were just living it from day" "We were just living it from day to day, performing in the clubs, to day, performing in the clubs, trying to make tips, and, um, trying to make tips, and, um, trying to support ourselves in" "trying to support ourselves in those ways." "those ways." "And so that was fast money." "And so that was fast money." "For us." "Back then." "For us." "Back then." "But fast money doesn't last" "But fast money doesn't last long." "long." "CAITLYN:" "No,it doesn't." "CAITLYN:" "No,it doesn't." "It's so interesting to me to see" "It's so interesting to me to see what she's been through in her what she's been through in her life and so many trans women go life and so many trans women go through and that is survival" "through and that is survival crimes." "crimes." "She was trying to survive and" "She was trying to survive and didn't know any other way to do didn't know any other way to do it." "it." "And to hear that from somebody" "And to hear that from somebody that you love and adore, I that you love and adore, I think, for me, it helps think, for me, it helps understand the issues better." "(horn blowing)" "Scott Disick." "I don't think Scott and I have" "I don't think Scott and I have ever really "bonded," in the ever really "bonded," in the sense that..." "I think we're just sense that..." "I think we're just different people." "different people." "(doorbell rings)" "(doorbell rings) Disick is in the house." "Disick is in the house." "SCOTT:" "Hello!" "SCOTT:" "Hello!" "CAITLYN:" "Howthehellareyou" "CAITLYN:" "Howthehellareyou doing?" "doing?" "SCOTT:" "Howyoudoin'?" "SCOTT:" "Howyoudoin'?" "CAITLYN:" "Can'tbelievethe" "CAITLYN:" "Can'tbelievethe  family member here." "family member here." "This is unbelievable." "Yeah!" "This is unbelievable." "Yeah!" "SCOTT:" "Goodlivin'." "SCOTT:" "Goodlivin'." "CAITLYN:" "Haveaseat." "CAITLYN:" "Haveaseat." "SCOTT:" "Niceboots!" "SCOTT:" "Niceboots!" "CAITLYN:" "Well,thankyou ," "CAITLYN:" "Well,thankyou , thank you." "thank you." "SCOTT:" "What'sgoingon?" "SCOTT:" "What'sgoingon?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,justhanging" "CAITLYN:" "Well,justhanging out with the girls." "out with the girls." "SCOTT:" "How'sit beingina" "SCOTT:" "How'sit beingina  bus?" "bus?" "CAITLYN:" "A lotof very" "CAITLYN:" "A lotof very interesting conversations." "interesting conversations." "SCOTT:" "I 'msure." "SCOTT:" "I 'msure." "CAITLYN:" "Transitioning," "CAITLYN:" "Transitioning, dealing with gender-- all of dealing with gender-- all of that." "that." "And, um, I-I think, for you," "And, um, I-I think, for you, being around all these girls being around all these girls with their stories and their with their stories and their stuff, I think can only be very stuff, I think can only be very positive for you." "positive for you." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,well,that's" "SCOTT:" "Yeah,well,that's what I was thinking." "what I was thinking." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "These girls have overcome so" "These girls have overcome so many obstacles in their life many obstacles in their life that hopefully it'll be that hopefully it'll be inspiring for him to be around inspiring for him to be around this really great group of" "this really great group of people." "people." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "SCOTT:" "Hi." "Scott." "SCOTT:" "Hi." "Scott." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,youhaven'tmet!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,youhaven'tmet!" "SCOTT:" "Hi." "Howare you ?" "SCOTT:" "Hi." "Howare you ?" "CANDIS:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CANDIS:" "Niceto meetyou ." "SCOTT:" "Niceto meetyou ." "SCOTT:" "Niceto meetyou ." "How you doin'?" "How you doin'?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgood." "CANDIS:" "I 'mgood." "ELLA:" "Hello,ladies!" "ELLA:" "Hello,ladies!" "CHANDI:" "How'sit going?" "CHANDI:" "How'sit going?" "Hey, Lord Disick, I do hugs." "Hey, Lord Disick, I do hugs." "I do hugs." "I do hugs." "SCOTT:" "Thereyougo." "SCOTT:" "Thereyougo." "CHANDI:" "Howyoudoin'?" "CHANDI:" "Howyoudoin'?" "SCOTT:" "Notbad." "SCOTT:" "Notbad." "CHANDI:" "Great." "CHANDI:" "Great." "JENNY:" "Scott,Jenny." "JENNY:" "Scott,Jenny." "How are you?" "How are you?" "CAITLYN:" "JennyBoylan." "CAITLYN:" "JennyBoylan." "JENNY:" "Pleasure." "JENNY:" "Pleasure." "I feel like I know you, but..." "I feel like I know you, but..." "SCOTT:" "Well,you'regonnaget" "SCOTT:" "Well,you'regonnaget to." "to." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "SCOTT:" "Arewe ridingthere?" "SCOTT:" "Arewe ridingthere?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,we gottobus" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,we gottobus out there." "out there." "SCOTT:" "Comeon ,girls." "SCOTT:" "Comeon ,girls." "JENNY:" "Disick,it 'sa" "JENNY:" "Disick,it 'sa slippery slope." "slippery slope." "CAITLYN:" "I usedto givehim a" "CAITLYN:" "I usedto givehim a hard time about his purse... hard time about his purse..." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Thepurse,can Ijust" "JENNY:" "Thepurse,can Ijust  say, it's a slippery slope." "say, it's a slippery slope." "Be careful." "Be careful." "SCOTT:" "I know." "SCOTT:" "I know." "A few more days here, God knows." "A few more days here, God knows." "(Kate chuckles)" "(Kate chuckles) (birds chirping)" "(birds chirping) ELLA:" "Okay,let'sgo." "ELLA:" "Okay,let'sgo." "CAITLYN:" "Let'scheckitout." "CAITLYN:" "Let'scheckitout." "CHANDI:" "Now,Scott,don 'tget" "CHANDI:" "Now,Scott,don 'tget  quiet on us, 'cause we know quiet on us, 'cause we know you're not shy." "you're not shy." "SCOTT:" "Okay." "SCOTT:" "Okay." "(Van shouts)" "(Van shouts) CAITLYN:" "God!" "CAITLYN:" "God!" "VAN:" "Caitlyn!" "VAN:" "Caitlyn!" "CAITLYN:" "Wecametoyou!" "CAITLYN:" "Wecametoyou!" "We came to you!" "We came to you!" "Aren't you so happy?" "We're here." "Aren't you so happy?" "We're here." "VAN:" "Oh,my God,Iso wasn 't" "VAN:" "Oh,my God,Iso wasn 't ready for that." "ready for that." "CAITLYN:" "Youweren'tready" "CAITLYN:" "Youweren'tready for that." "for that." "VAN:" "Oh,my God." "Everyone," "VAN:" "Oh,my God." "Everyone, this is my husband Rick." "this is my husband Rick." "CAITLYN:" "Hello,Rick." "CAITLYN:" "Hello,Rick." "RICK:" "Hi." "Nicetomeet you." "RICK:" "Hi." "Nicetomeet you." "VAN:" "Welcometo St.Louis." "VAN:" "Welcometo St.Louis." "CAITLYN:" "It'sbeenquitea" "CAITLYN:" "It'sbeenquitea long journey to get here, but long journey to get here, but we're here." "we're here." "So excited to see Van Barnes." "So excited to see Van Barnes." "She's a friend of all of us." "She's a friend of all of us." "Uh, uh, very close to Zackary." "Uh, uh, very close to Zackary." "She works on Transparent with" "She works on Transparent with her." "her." "And she's happily married to a" "And she's happily married to a cisgender-- which means not cisgender-- which means not transgender-- male, big daddy." "transgender-- male, big daddy." "SCOTT:" "Thispooltableis," "SCOTT:" "Thispooltableis, like, for a child." "like, for a child." "COURTNEY:" "Justfocus." "COURTNEY:" "Justfocus." "SCOTT:" "Thereyougo." "SCOTT:" "Thereyougo." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,Ihadthe" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,Ihadthe best time with the trainer best time with the trainer that's, like... that's, like..." "VAN:" "Yougotatrainerin" "VAN:" "Yougotatrainerin St. Louis?" "St. Louis?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,well,he's..." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,well,he's..." "VAN:" "You'resuchaliar ." "VAN:" "You'resuchaliar ." "Okay, start the story over." "Okay, start the story over." "CANDIS:" "No,so we have..." "CANDIS:" "No,so we have..." "CHANDI:" "Uh,oh !" "CHANDI:" "Uh,oh !" "You want to see him?" "You want to see him?" "VAN:" "I thoughttherewere..." "VAN:" "I thoughttherewere..." "Is he one of the bodyguards?" "Is he one of the bodyguards?" "CHANDI:" "That'shernew" "CHANDI:" "That'shernew  husband." "husband." "VAN:" "Oh,right,honey." "VAN:" "Oh,right,honey." "CHANDI:" "Uh-huh." "CHANDI:" "Uh-huh." "VAN:" "AnddoesCaitknow" "VAN:" "AnddoesCaitknow  you're cheating on her?" "you're cheating on her?" "CANDIS:" "Shh..." "CANDIS:" "Shh..." "CHANDI:" "No." "CHANDI:" "No." "WOMAN:" "Saycheese!" "WOMAN:" "Saycheese!" "CANDIS:" "Scott." "CANDIS:" "Scott." "SCOTT:" "Yes." "SCOTT:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Comejoinus!" "CANDIS:" "Comejoinus!" "SCOTT:" "Allright,whatdidI" "SCOTT:" "Allright,whatdidI  miss?" "miss?" "VAN:" "Weneedyou to, um, kind" "VAN:" "Weneedyou to, um, kind of mediate this whole piece on of mediate this whole piece on the side issue that Candis has the side issue that Candis has right now." "right now." "CANDIS:" "No,uh ,we werejust" "CANDIS:" "No,uh ,we werejust talking about wanting you to be talking about wanting you to be in our group." "in our group." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "You'rean honorary" "CANDIS:" "You'rean honorary trans woman." "trans woman." "SCOTT:" "I beenhereten" "SCOTT:" "I beenhereten  minutes." "minutes." "VAN:" "Ifyoudid ,wemight" "VAN:" "Ifyoudid ,wemight even let you join our club." "even let you join our club." "SCOTT:" "Stop!" "Well,now ,when" "SCOTT:" "Stop!" "Well,now ,when you say that, I'd be open to you say that, I'd be open to changing around town." "changing around town." "VAN:" "Youwouldbeintraining" "VAN:" "Youwouldbeintraining though for, like, a little though for, like, a little while." "while." "SCOTT:" "Well,of course." "SCOTT:" "Well,of course." "It's gonna be a long journey." "It's gonna be a long journey." "CANDIS:( laughs)Itis ." "CANDIS:( laughs)Itis ." "CHANDI:" "He'stryingtowrap" "CHANDI:" "He'stryingtowrap  his head around being around all his head around being around all these girls." "these girls." "SCOTT:" "I 'musedto being" "SCOTT:" "I 'musedto being around a lot of women." "around a lot of women." "I'm just not used to being asked" "I'm just not used to being asked to become one." "to become one." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "Allright." "Comeon," "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "Comeon, let's ride!" "let's ride!" "(motorcycle rumbling)" "(motorcycle rumbling) This is not my first rodeo." "This is not my first rodeo." "VAN:" "I betit isn't." "VAN:" "I betit isn't." "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) CANDIS:" "I 'mridingbehind" "CANDIS:" "I 'mridingbehind your man." "your man." "VAN:" "Goeasyonhim." "VAN:" "Goeasyonhim." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) (whoops)" "(whoops) (motorcycles rumbling)" "ķ ķ CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnago graba" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnago graba drink with Andrew." "drink with Andrew." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdo anythingI" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdo anythingI wouldn't do." "wouldn't do." "CANDIS:" "Youhaveten" "CANDIS:" "Youhaveten  children." "children." "(both laugh)" "(both laugh) SCOTT:" "I haven'ttalkedto" "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttalkedto you all night." "you all night." "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring" "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring him?" "him?" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring him." "him." "He's over there!" "He's over there!" "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy" "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy ears... ears..." "SCOTT:" "Isit reallyyour" "SCOTT:" "Isit reallyyour ears, or you just don't want to ears, or you just don't want to listen?" "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "Let 's ride!" "ride!" "(motorcycles rumbling)" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "RICK:" "Youleanedovertoo" "RICK:" "Youleanedovertoo much on me." "much on me." "CANDIS:" "I did?" "CANDIS:" "I did?" "RICK:" "Yeah." "Youokay?" "RICK:" "Yeah." "Youokay?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I don't know what happened." "I don't know what happened." "VAN:" "Yougotroadrash ,girl ?" "VAN:" "Yougotroadrash ,girl ?" "CANDIS:" "I gotroadrash." "CANDIS:" "I gotroadrash." "I did not lean on that" "I did not lean on that motorcycle." "motorcycle." "It was not my fault." "It was not my fault." "VAN:" "Lookat MissCait." "VAN:" "Lookat MissCait." "COURTNEY:" "Doyouwanttoget" "COURTNEY:" "Doyouwanttoget back on, or no?" "back on, or no?" "You don't have to, you don't" "You don't have to, you don't have to." "have to." "VAN:" "Here,I'lltakeyour" "VAN:" "Here,I'lltakeyour  spot." "spot." "CANDIS:" "I thinkyoushould" "CANDIS:" "I thinkyoushould go, yeah you're used to it." "go, yeah you're used to it." "COURTNEY:" "What'shappening?" "COURTNEY:" "What'shappening?" "CANDIS:" "I knewIshouldn't" "CANDIS:" "I knewIshouldn't have gotten onto his (bleep) have gotten onto his (bleep) motorcycle, no!" "motorcycle, no!" "ELLA:" "Candis,areyou okay?" "ELLA:" "Candis,areyou okay?" "JENNY:" "Sweetie,what" "JENNY:" "Sweetie,what happened?" "happened?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mokay." "CANDIS:" "I 'mokay." "ELLA:" "I justheardthe news." "ELLA:" "I justheardthe news." "JENNY:" "DoyouneedaBand-Aid" "JENNY:" "DoyouneedaBand-Aid or something?" "or something?" "CANDIS:" "No,I'mokay." "CANDIS:" "No,I'mokay." "I need a drink." "I need a drink." "JENNY:" "Okay." "JENNY:" "Okay." "We need a drink for this injured" "We need a drink for this injured motorcycle rider." "motorcycle rider." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) ķ ķ ķ ķ VAN:" "Leadtheway ,girl." "(whoops) CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "SCOTT:" "Whatis tomorrow, exactly?" "exactly?" "ZACKARY:" "It'stheTransday" "ZACKARY:" "It'stheTransday Remembrance, so, you know," "Remembrance, so, you know, trans people are murdered, at-at trans people are murdered, at-at an alarming rate in some way... an alarming rate in some way..." "SCOTT:" "Really?" "SCOTT:" "Really?" "ZACKARY:" "So,theTransday" "ZACKARY:" "So,theTransday Remembrance sort of celebrates" "Remembrance sort of celebrates the lives that have been lost the lives that have been lost over the past year." "over the past year." "It's been happening for 16" "It's been happening for 16 years." "years." "Even the numbers that we have" "Even the numbers that we have are not necessarily accurate are not necessarily accurate because so much of it is not because so much of it is not reported, or people are reported, or people are misgendered in the news." "misgendered in the news." "It's tough." "It's tough." "Here they come." "Here they come." "SCOTT:" "Oh,yeah." "SCOTT:" "Oh,yeah." "Hell's Angels." "Hell's Angels." "CAITLYN:" "Hey,there." "VAN:" "You'rean oldpro ,girl." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thankyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thankyou ." "That was fun." "That was fun." "RICK:" "Itwasfun ." "RICK:" "Itwasfun ." "VAN:" "Allright." "VAN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "RICK:" "Mostof it was." "RICK:" "Mostof it was." "CAITLYN:" "Whatagewereyou" "CAITLYN:" "Whatagewereyou when you transitioned?" "when you transitioned?" "VAN:" "I transitionedtwice," "VAN:" "I transitionedtwice, actually." "actually." "The first time around, I just" "The first time around, I just found it so hard to find gainful found it so hard to find gainful employment that I, uh, employment that I, uh, regressed, and went back to, uh," "regressed, and went back to, uh, presenting male in order to make presenting male in order to make a, uh... a, uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Paythebills." "CAITLYN:" "Paythebills." "VAN:" "Yeah,basically." "VAN:" "Yeah,basically." "Pay the bills honestly." "Pay the bills honestly." "But it's hard to have to do" "But it's hard to have to do that twice." "that twice." "After the first time, I actually" "After the first time, I actually had, uh, liposuction on my had, uh, liposuction on my torso, on my breasts, because torso, on my breasts, because I'd grown them naturally." "I'd grown them naturally." "CAITLYN:" "I hadtheexactsame" "CAITLYN:" "I hadtheexactsame  thing." "thing." "VAN:" "Oh,really,whenyou" "VAN:" "Oh,really,whenyou were in hiding?" "were in hiding?" "CAITLYN:' 80s,uh,Iwas on" "CAITLYN:' 80s,uh,Iwas on hormones for four and a half hormones for four and a half years." "years." "SCOTT:" "Oh,by theway ,you" "SCOTT:" "Oh,by theway ,you  know... know..." "CAITLYN:" "BecauseIjustdon't" "CAITLYN:" "BecauseIjustdon't even have any more secrets." "even have any more secrets." "I'm a lot happier." "I'm a lot happier." "VAN:" "No,honey." "VAN:" "No,honey." "ELLA:" "None?" "ELLA:" "None?" "CAITLYN:" "Whatelsecan I" "CAITLYN:" "Whatelsecan I tell?" "tell?" "ELLA:" "None?" "ELLA:" "None?" "CAITLYN:" "So,whenitwas" "CAITLYN:" "So,whenitwas Kim's birthday, and Kendall and" "Kim's birthday, and Kendall and Kylie..." "Kylie..." "SCOTT:" "Cait..." "Caitlyn,you" "SCOTT:" "Cait..." "Caitlyn,you  know what?" "know what?" "CAITLYN:...reallynice" "CAITLYN:...reallynice gifts." "gifts." "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn?" "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn?" "CAITLYN:" "I figuredthey'd" "CAITLYN:" "I figuredthey'd feel guilty, they wouldn't mind feel guilty, they wouldn't mind spending it, you know, on me." "spending it, you know, on me." "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn." "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Thisyear,for my" "CAITLYN:" "Thisyear,for my birthday, I told these girls, birthday, I told these girls, "If I get one more goddamn golf" ""If I get one more goddamn golf shirt, you're dead."" "shirt, you're dead." SCOTT:" "Shegetstotalk and" "SCOTT:" "Shegetstotalk and she gets to talk." "she gets to talk." "JENNY:" "Yeah,right,also..." "JENNY:" "Yeah,right,also..." "SCOTT:" "Thathasn'tchanged." "SCOTT:" "Thathasn'tchanged." "JENNY:" "I thinkshecan 't,she" "JENNY:" "I thinkshecan 't,she  can't always hear." "can't always hear." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,it 'strue." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,it 'strue." "JENNY:" "Justalittle." "JENNY:" "Justalittle." "SCOTT:" "Especiallywiththe" "SCOTT:" "Especiallywiththe  hair." "hair." "Just saying." "Just saying." "JENNY:" "Yousaidyou had some" "JENNY:" "Yousaidyou had some questions about family stuff." "questions about family stuff." "SCOTT:" "Well,yeah,Ijust" "SCOTT:" "Well,yeah,Ijust  kind of... kind of..." "I mean, I feel like Caitlyn has" "I mean, I feel like Caitlyn has been so busy running around and been so busy running around and traveling and, you know, traveling and, you know, bringing awareness... bringing awareness..." "JENNY:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Mm-hmm." "SCOTT:...that,youknow,my" "SCOTT:...that,youknow,my kids don't really know exactly kids don't really know exactly what's gone on, I don't know if what's gone on, I don't know if they're old enough." "they're old enough." "You know, my daughter has met" "You know, my daughter has met her and was totally okay, didn't her and was totally okay, didn't really, I don't think, grasp really, I don't think, grasp exactly that... that was" "exactly that... that was grandpa, now it's grandma." "grandpa, now it's grandma." "My son was a little nervous." "My son was a little nervous." "JENNY:" "Theygetthe message" "JENNY:" "Theygetthe message you send them." "you send them." "So, if you talk about it with" "So, if you talk about it with them like you're on tenterhooks them like you're on tenterhooks and you're all jumpy, they'll and you're all jumpy, they'll get that." "get that." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "I satdownwithmy" "JENNY:" "I satdownwithmy children and said, "You've children and said, "You've probably noticed that I've been probably noticed that I've been looking more and more like a looking more and more like a girl recently, and I have this" "girl recently, and I have this condition where my insides don't condition where my insides don't match my outsides."" "match my outsides." "Um, I know that might be weird" ""Um, I know that might be weird for you, but you know I'm always for you, but you know I'm always gonna love you."" "gonna love you." And I think my son said" "And I think my son said something like, "Well, if you're something like, "Well, if you're always gonna love me, it won't always gonna love me, it won't be weird."" "be weird." In my experience, it seems like" "In my experience, it seems like a bigger deal, I think, to a bigger deal, I think, to grown-ups than it is to kids." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,is that adorable?" "adorable?" "We've spent so much time in that" "We've spent so much time in that bus in very close quarters that bus in very close quarters that it did get a little heated, it did get a little heated, that it's time to kind of, like," "that it's time to kind of, like, just take a break, uh, get on a just take a break, uh, get on a riverboat cruise where we can riverboat cruise where we can see the city, the Arch," "see the city, the Arch, everything." "everything." "It should be fun." "It should be fun." "COURTNEY:" "Ooh,it 'schilly." "COURTNEY:" "Ooh,it 'schilly." "Ugh." "Ugh." "VAN:" "Ifwe hadtolike ,jump" "VAN:" "Ifwe hadtolike ,jump  out right now and swim, could out right now and swim, could you do it?" "you do it?" "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "VAN:" "Yeah,me too." "VAN:" "Yeah,me too." "(horn blows)" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "I think they... they did that on" "I think they... they did that on purpose." "purpose." "ZACKARY:" "I thinkIgot to" "ZACKARY:" "I thinkIgot to change my panties." "change my panties." "CANDIS:" "JesusChrist." "CANDIS:" "JesusChrist." "CAITLYN:" "It'stoocoldhere ," "CAITLYN:" "It'stoocoldhere , let's go inside." "let's go inside." "I'm freezing." "I'm freezing." "JENNY:" "Allright,let 'sget" "JENNY:" "Allright,let 'sget  in." "in." "CHANDI:" "Youknow,there'sa" "CHANDI:" "Youknow,there'sa new term now, maybe you've heard new term now, maybe you've heard it: pansexual." "it: pansexual." "ELLA:" "Pansexual." "ELLA:" "Pansexual." "SCOTT:" "Whatthehellisthat?" "SCOTT:" "Whatthehellisthat?" "CHANDI:" "Okay,pansexualmeans" "CHANDI:" "Okay,pansexualmeans that you're open to all genders." "that you're open to all genders." "That you're just..." "That you're just..." "SCOTT:" "Oh,justtesting" "SCOTT:" "Oh,justtesting waters." "waters." "CHANDI:" "Justtestingwaters," "CHANDI:" "Justtestingwaters, trying whatever." "trying whatever." "SCOTT:" "Now,oneother" "SCOTT:" "Now,oneother question, is that a talked-about question, is that a talked-about thing-- who's gone full circle thing-- who's gone full circle and who hasn't?" "and who hasn't?" "CHANDI:" "Notalltranswomen" "CHANDI:" "Notalltranswomen choose to have the surgery to choose to have the surgery to have a vagina." "have a vagina." "SCOTT:" "It'sunbelievablethat" "SCOTT:" "It'sunbelievablethat the body can do this." "the body can do this." "ELLA:" "Isn'tit ?" "ELLA:" "Isn'tit ?" "SCOTT:" "It'salmostlike,you" "SCOTT:" "It'salmostlike,you know, when you build a car, you know, when you build a car, you can change the wheels up." "can change the wheels up." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "SCOTT:" "It'slikeGod madethe" "SCOTT:" "It'slikeGod madethe body, and able to do it." "body, and able to do it." "JENNY:" "It'slikeacar," "JENNY:" "It'slikeacar,  that's right." "that's right." "It's like a car." "It's like a car." "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustsaying..." "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustsaying..." "JENNY:" "I appreciate..." "JENNY:" "I appreciate..." "SCOTT:" "It'slikeapitstop." "SCOTT:" "It'slikeapitstop." "(imitates electric drills)" "(imitates electric drills) JENNY:" "That'sexactlyright." "JENNY:" "That'sexactlyright." "That's exactly it." "That's exactly it." "SCOTT:" "Boom." "SCOTT:" "Boom." "JENNY:" "That'swhatitwas" "JENNY:" "That'swhatitwas like for me." "like for me." "We have to find a way of talking" "We have to find a way of talking about surgery." "about surgery." "And joking about it isn't the" "And joking about it isn't the solution, but I get that this is solution, but I get that this is Scott's way of trying to find a" "Scott's way of trying to find a way to relate to something way to relate to something that's so new to him." "that's so new to him." "SCOTT:" "Isthereany" "SCOTT:" "Isthereany  maintenance?" "maintenance?" "JENNY:" "Notparticularly." "JENNY:" "Notparticularly." "There's some." "There's some." "SCOTT:" "Youdon'thavetogo" "SCOTT:" "Youdon'thavetogo  in for tune-ups?" "in for tune-ups?" "JENNY:" "So,here-here's" "JENNY:" "So,here-here's the thing... the thing..." "SCOTT:" "I needit to relateto" "SCOTT:" "I needit to relateto cars." "cars." "COURTNEY:" "Oilchange?" "COURTNEY:" "Oilchange?" "SCOTT:" "Anoilchange." "SCOTT:" "Anoilchange." "JENNY:" "There'san oilchange," "JENNY:" "There'san oilchange, definitely, yeah." "definitely, yeah." "The..." "I guess the important" "The..." "I guess the important thing, though, is we're not thing, though, is we're not about an operation." "about an operation." "We're about soul." "We're about soul." "SCOTT:" "Obviously,thesoul" "SCOTT:" "Obviously,thesoul part is the first, and the most part is the first, and the most important... important..." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "SCOTT:" "Buttheotherstuff" "SCOTT:" "Buttheotherstuff comes along with the territory." "comes along with the territory." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "SCOTT:" "I justkindofwant to" "SCOTT:" "I justkindofwant to have knowledge." "have knowledge." "Just because, don't forget," "Just because, don't forget, people ask me these type of people ask me these type of questions, and I would love to questions, and I would love to be able to have the right be able to have the right answers, especially for the" "answers, especially for the straight person that's not straight person that's not understanding, to... anything." "understanding, to... anything." "JENNY:" "I don'tgenerallytalk" "JENNY:" "I don'tgenerallytalk about down below, because, you about down below, because, you know, that's private." "know, that's private." "SCOTT:" "I mean,listen,Ilike" "SCOTT:" "I mean,listen,Ilike  to know the interior color on a to know the interior color on a car, like, I mean... car, like, I mean..." "COURTNEY:" "Pickoutthe" "COURTNEY:" "Pickoutthe  accessories." "accessories." "JENNY:" "It'spink." "JENNY:" "It'spink." "SCOTT:" "Oh!" "SCOTT:" "Oh!" "I-I'm being inappropriate." "I-I'm being inappropriate." "CHANDI:" "Yeah,right." "CHANDI:" "Yeah,right." "SCOTT:" "Anythingelse?" "SCOTT:" "Anythingelse?" "(horn blows)" "(horn blows) (Candis whoops)" "CAITLYN:" "Chandi'smomisin town, baby." "town, baby." "Hello, baby, how're you doing?" "Hello, baby, how're you doing?" "TINA:" "Youlooksobeautiful!" "TINA:" "Youlooksobeautiful!" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou,baby,so" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou,baby,so do you." "do you." "TINA:" "Baby,youlook" "TINA:" "Baby,youlook beautiful." "beautiful." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat you,you are" "CAITLYN:" "Lookat you,you are  just... just..." "TINA:" "Comegetmyhug." "TINA:" "Comegetmyhug." "CANDIS:" "Hi!" "CANDIS:" "Hi!" "TINA:" "Hi,honey." "TINA:" "Hi,honey." "KATE:" "Hello." "KATE:" "Hello." "TINA:" "Hi." "TINA:" "Hi." "Give me my other..." "Give me my other..." "KATE:" "Absolutely." "KATE:" "Absolutely." "TINA:" "Howareyou ?" "TINA:" "Howareyou ?" "KATE:" "I 'mgood,Isee now" "KATE:" "I 'mgood,Isee now  where Chandi gets her good where Chandi gets her good looks." "looks." "TINA:" "Oh!" "TINA:" "Oh!" "KATE:" "Right?" "KATE:" "Right?" "CHANDI:" "Youdidn'tmeet" "CHANDI:" "Youdidn'tmeet Scott." "Scott." "TINA:" "Hi,Scott." "TINA:" "Hi,Scott." "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttransitioned" "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttransitioned yet." "yet." "(Chandi laughs)" "(Chandi laughs) TINA:" "Comegivemea hug." "TINA:" "Comegivemea hug." "(kisses)" "(kisses) Good to see you." "Good to see you." "SCOTT:" "Nextmonth,it'sgonna" "SCOTT:" "Nextmonth,it'sgonna be a new me." "be a new me." "CHANDI:" "Scottis not" "CHANDI:" "Scottis not transitioning, he's just playing transitioning, he's just playing games." "games." "TINA:" "Okay." "TINA:" "Okay." "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustplaying." "SCOTT:" "I 'mjustplaying." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "Get something to eat." "Get something to eat." "ķ ķ ķ ķ (indistinct chatter)" "(indistinct chatter) SERVER:" "Whatyouinthemood" "SERVER:" "Whatyouinthemood for-- you want to do beer, for-- you want to do beer, liquor?" "liquor?" "Coc... specialty cocktails." "Coc... specialty cocktails." "CAITLYN:" "Inamixeddrink" "CAITLYN:" "Inamixeddrink that you would say, "Oh, wow, that you would say, "Oh, wow, this is a mixed drink for here."" "this is a mixed drink for here." SERVER:" "I haveahurricane..." "SERVER:" "I haveahurricane..." "CANDIS:" "Hey." "CANDIS:" "Hey." "ANDREW:" "Hi." "ANDREW:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Haveaseat." "CANDIS:" "Haveaseat." "ANDREW:" "Thankyou,thankyou." "ANDREW:" "Thankyou,thankyou." "SERVER:" "Um,Ialsohave a" "SERVER:" "Um,Ialsohave a sazerac." "sazerac." "CANDIS:" "Doyouwantadrink ?" "CANDIS:" "Doyouwantadrink ?" "ANDREW:" "Sure." "ANDREW:" "Sure." "CHANDI:" "I gotthepictures" "CHANDI:" "I gotthepictures with Bill Clinton." "with Bill Clinton." "TINA:" "Yeah,lookatyouwith" "TINA:" "Yeah,lookatyouwith Clinton-- okay." "Clinton-- okay." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "TINA:" "Pleasesavethat." "TINA:" "Pleasesavethat." "CHANDI:" "I ..." "Ofcourse." "CHANDI:" "I ..." "Ofcourse." "ELLA:" "That'sagorgeous" "ELLA:" "That'sagorgeous dress, too." "dress, too." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat that." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat that." "He's the designer." "He's the designer." "JENNY:" "Scott,whereare you" "JENNY:" "Scott,whereare you  from, originally?" "from, originally?" "SCOTT:" "Uh,NewYorkstate." "SCOTT:" "Uh,NewYorkstate." "JENNY:" "Nearacity?" "JENNY:" "Nearacity?" "I lived in Maine for ten years." "I lived in Maine for ten years." "SCOTT:" "I livedin Vermontfor" "SCOTT:" "I livedin Vermontfor  a while." "a while." "JENNY:" "Yeah?" "JENNY:" "Yeah?" "Are you the guy, who, when" "Are you the guy, who, when talking about your own, like, talking about your own, like, pain and trouble and pain and trouble and suffering... suffering..." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "JENNY:...you'rethe,"Oh ," "JENNY:...you'rethe,"Oh , no, it's not a big deal" guy, no, it's not a big deal" guy, are you that guy?" "are you that guy?" "SCOTT:" "No,I'mprettyopen" "SCOTT:" "No,I'mprettyopen  with... that I've gone through with... that I've gone through things that have hurt me a ton." "things that have hurt me a ton." "JENNY:" "Tellme if youdon 't" "JENNY:" "Tellme if youdon 't want to go-go down this rabbit want to go-go down this rabbit hole of, like, getting divorced." "hole of, like, getting divorced." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,no ,Iwas never" "SCOTT:" "Yeah,no ,Iwas never married." "married." "JENNY:" "Yeah,butyou were..." "JENNY:" "Yeah,butyou were..." "but you were a couple." "but you were a couple." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Andnowyou 'renot a" "JENNY:" "Andnowyou 'renot a couple and that's-that's got couple and that's-that's got to... that's got to hurt." "to... that's got to hurt." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "Well, yeah, no, it's very tough." "Well, yeah, no, it's very tough." "You know, I made a lot of" "You know, I made a lot of decisions that weren't great, decisions that weren't great, you know?" "you know?" "JENNY:" "So,do youthinkyou" "JENNY:" "So,do youthinkyou can..." "I don't want to say "win can..." "I don't want to say "win her back", but do you think you her back", but do you think you can... can..." "SCOTT:" "Oh,Idon 'tknow." "SCOTT:" "Oh,Idon 'tknow." "I have absolutely no control" "I have absolutely no control over an... everybody and anybody over an... everybody and anybody else, other than myself." "else, other than myself." "And all I can do is just stay on" "And all I can do is just stay on the right path, and if things the right path, and if things fall into place and they're fall into place and they're meant to be, I believe that they" "meant to be, I believe that they will be." "will be." "JENNY:" "Right." "JENNY:" "Right." "Scott made a real effort to come" "Scott made a real effort to come all the way, to-to be with us, all the way, to-to be with us, and I'm glad I got to bond with and I'm glad I got to bond with him a little." "him a little." "But it's just kind of ironic." "But it's just kind of ironic." "I'm not the person he came there" "I'm not the person he came there to bond with." "to bond with." "KIP:" "Oh,my God!" "Wow !" "KIP:" "Oh,my God!" "Wow !" "JENNY:" "Haveyoueverhadan" "JENNY:" "Haveyoueverhadan oyster?" "oyster?" "CANDIS:" "Chandilikesoysters." "CANDIS:" "Chandilikesoysters." "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn,Ihaven't" "SCOTT:" "Caitlyn,Ihaven't talked to you all night." "talked to you all night." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "JENNY:" "Shecansit overhere ." "JENNY:" "Shecansit overhere ." "SCOTT:" "No,no ." "SCOTT:" "No,no ." "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring" "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring him?" "him?" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring him." "him." "He's over there." "He's over there." "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy" "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy ears, you are that far, yeah." "ears, you are that far, yeah." "SCOTT:" "I ..." "Isit reallyyour" "SCOTT:" "I ..." "Isit reallyyour ears, or you just don't want to ears, or you just don't want to listen?" "CANDIS:" "You'recute." "Icould totally kiss you." "totally kiss you." "What are you... thinking?" "What are you... thinking?" "SCOTT:" "I 'mhereforyou ." "I'm" "SCOTT:" "I 'mhereforyou ." "I'm  not here for just your people." "not here for just your people." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Haveaseat ." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Haveaseat ." "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime" "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime with them than I have with you." "SCOTT:" "I haven'ttalkedto you all night." "you all night." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "JENNY:" "Shecansit overhere ." "JENNY:" "Shecansit overhere ." "SCOTT:" "No,no ." "SCOTT:" "No,no ." "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring" "COURTNEY:" "Areyouignoring him?" "him?" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot ignoring him." "him." "He's over there." "He's over there." "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "SCOTT:" "I 'mnotthatfar ." "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy" "CAITLYN:" "But,forme, withmy ears, you are that far, yeah." "ears, you are that far, yeah." "SCOTT:" "Isit reallyyour" "SCOTT:" "Isit reallyyour ears, or you just don't want to ears, or you just don't want to listen?" "listen?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,maybetwo ..." "CAITLYN:" "Well,maybetwo ..." "Yeah, one of two things, yeah." "Yeah, one of two things, yeah." "SCOTT:" "I alwayswondered." "SCOTT:" "I alwayswondered." "CAITLYN:" "Combination." "CAITLYN:" "Combination." "SCOTT:" "Okay." "I'llsettlewith" "SCOTT:" "Okay." "I'llsettlewith  both." "both." "CAITLYN:" "Boom,yougot it." "CAITLYN:" "Boom,yougot it." "SCOTT:" "Goodnight,ladies" "SCOTT:" "Goodnight,ladies and... gentlemen." "and... gentlemen." "CAITLYN:" Ladies"isenough." "CAITLYN:" Ladies"isenough." "KATE:" "I thinkhe 'supsetor" "KATE:" "I thinkhe 'supsetor embarrassed or something." "embarrassed or something." "He went bam." "He went bam." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah,I" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah,I have..." "I've known Scott for a have..." "I've known Scott for a long time, yeah." "long time, yeah." "And I would much rather deal" "And I would much rather deal with something like that, which with something like that, which is a little strange, than having is a little strange, than having to deal with him being, you to deal with him being, you know, hammered, you know, all" "know, hammered, you know, all the things that go along with the things that go along with that." "(crickets chirping)" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnago graba drink with Andrew." "drink with Andrew." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdo anythingI" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tdo anythingI wouldn't do." "wouldn't do." "CANDIS:" "Youhaveten" "CANDIS:" "Youhaveten  children." "children." "(both laugh)" "(both laugh) CAITLYN:" "I 'llseeyouguys" "CAITLYN:" "I 'llseeyouguys later." "later." "CANDIS:" "Gonnago havea" "CANDIS:" "Gonnago havea drink." "drink." "Have a good night, you guys!" "Have a good night, you guys!" "ELLA:" "Loveyou." "ELLA:" "Loveyou." "ANDREW:" "Let'shaveadrink." "ANDREW:" "Let'shaveadrink." "CANDIS:" "Let'shaveadrink." "CANDIS:" "Let'shaveadrink." "ANDREW:" "Haveyoueverhada" "ANDREW:" "Haveyoueverhada  Moscow Mule?" "Moscow Mule?" "CANDIS:" "I didrecently." "CANDIS:" "I didrecently." "ANDREW:" "Youwanttotrysome?" "ANDREW:" "Youwanttotrysome?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,I'lltry it." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,I'lltry it." "ANDREW:" "Therewe go ." "ANDREW:" "Therewe go ." "CANDIS:" "Mmm,Ilikeit." "CANDIS:" "Mmm,Ilikeit." "ANDREW:" "It'sgood." "ANDREW:" "It'sgood." "CANDIS:" "Thegingerisa nice" "CANDIS:" "Thegingerisa nice  flavor." "flavor." "ANDREW:" "I know." "So you" "ANDREW:" "I know." "So you haven't seen the Arch yet." "haven't seen the Arch yet." "This is... this is the closest" "This is... this is the closest you've been so far." "you've been so far." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Thisis, like," "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Thisis, like, the best view." "the best view." "Let's go out and look." "Let's go out and look." "ANDREW:" "Let'sgo ." "ANDREW:" "Let'sgo ." "Man, it's windy." "Man, it's windy." "CANDIS:" "Itis kindofwindy." "CANDIS:" "Itis kindofwindy." "I'll be fine." "I'll be fine." "ANDREW:" "Areyousure?" "ANDREW:" "Areyousure?" "You want my jacket?" "You want my jacket?" "CANDIS:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "ANDREW:" "Allright." "ANDREW:" "Allright." "There you go." "Okay." "There you go." "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Areyoucoldnow?" "CANDIS:" "Areyoucoldnow?" "ANDREW:" "I 'mgood." "ANDREW:" "I 'mgood." "As long as you're warm." "As long as you're warm." "CANDIS:" "Here." "CANDIS:" "Here." "ANDREW:" "Oh." "ANDREW:" "Oh." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "ANDREW:" "I 'llgetunderthe" "ANDREW:" "I 'llgetunderthe  jacket?" "jacket?" "CANDIS:" "Youhavetoshareit" "CANDIS:" "Youhavetoshareit with me." "with me." "You're gonna get cold." "You're gonna get cold." "There's no denying there is a" "There's no denying there is a little bit of chemistry there, little bit of chemistry there, and so it's really nice to be and so it's really nice to be able to, like, actually have" "able to, like, actually have something with somebody that I something with somebody that I like." "like." "I have to say, you're a very" "I have to say, you're a very sweet guy." "sweet guy." "ANDREW:" "Well,thankyou ." "ANDREW:" "Well,thankyou ." "You're amazing." "You're amazing." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "ANDREW:" "Youareamazing." "ANDREW:" "Youareamazing." "You're sweet." "You're sweet." "CANDIS:" "Areyounervous?" "CANDIS:" "Areyounervous?" "Am I making you nervous?" "Am I making you nervous?" "ANDREW:" "No,you'renot making" "ANDREW:" "No,you'renot making me nervous." "me nervous." "You're not making me nervous." "You're not making me nervous." "CANDIS:" "Okay,good." "CANDIS:" "Okay,good." "Um... well, I'm just kind of," "Um... well, I'm just kind of, like, one of those people that like, one of those people that kind of goes with the flow." "kind of goes with the flow." "You know what I mean?" "You know what I mean?" "Just like..." "What-what are" "Just like..." "What-what are you... thinking?" "you... thinking?" "ANDREW:" "Areyoumeaninglike" "ANDREW:" "Areyoumeaninglike  more than... what's going on more than... what's going on right here?" "right here?" "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean,of" "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean,of course." "course." "I'm, like..." "You're cute." "I'm, like..." "You're cute." "I could totally kiss you." "I could totally kiss you." "You know, that kind of thing." "You know, that kind of thing." "ANDREW:" "Mm-hmm." "ANDREW:" "Mm-hmm." "I don't think I really could go" "I don't think I really could go there just yet." "there just yet." "You know?" "You know?" "CANDIS:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "Okay, well, I've... (laughs)" "Okay, well, I've... (laughs) On that note, I'm gonna go to" "On that note, I'm gonna go to bed." "bed." "ANDREW:" "Okay." "Youokay?" "ANDREW:" "Okay." "Youokay?" "CANDIS:" "No,I'mgood." "CANDIS:" "No,I'mgood." "I'll see you..." "I'll see you..." "ANDREW:" "So,tomorrowmorning?" "ANDREW:" "So,tomorrowmorning?" "CANDIS:" "I 'll-I'llcallyou." "CANDIS:" "I 'll-I'llcallyou." "ANDREW:" "Candis." "CANDIS:" "I justfeltlike maybe we had a connection, and maybe we had a connection, and then I just assumed it was then I just assumed it was 'cause of the trans thing." "'cause of the trans thing." "ANDREW:" "It's,um ..." "Ijust..." "CAITLYN:" "Whatwereyourbig concerns?" "concerns?" "TINA:" "I 'ma personthat's," "TINA:" "I 'ma personthat's, uh, very religious." "uh, very religious." "I was very hurt." "CAITLYN:" "Allright,we're recording." "recording." "You know, tough day coming up." "You know, tough day coming up." "This is my first day to" "This is my first day to participate in the Transgender participate in the Transgender Day of Remembrance." "Day of Remembrance." "Uh, we've lost a lot of very" "Uh, we've lost a lot of very good people that should be with good people that should be with us here today." "us here today." "Um, it's a very emotional time" "Um, it's a very emotional time for my community and for people for my community and for people all around the world." "all around the world." "So, tough day for everybody," "So, tough day for everybody, but, uh, we need to do it." "but, uh, we need to do it." "(doorbell rings)" "(doorbell rings) CANDIS:" "Hello?" "CANDIS:" "Hello?" "ANDREW:" "Hey." "ANDREW:" "Hey." "CANDIS:" "Hey." "Comeonin." "CANDIS:" "Hey." "Comeonin." "ANDREW:" "How'sit going?" "ANDREW:" "How'sit going?" "CANDIS:" "It'sgoinggood." "CANDIS:" "It'sgoinggood." "ANDREW:" "Good." "Do youhave" "ANDREW:" "Good." "Do youhave time to talk?" "time to talk?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,sure." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,sure." "How are you?" "What's up?" "How are you?" "What's up?" "What's going on?" "What's going on?" "ANDREW:" "Good." "Uh ,nothing," "ANDREW:" "Good." "Uh ,nothing, just getting ready." "just getting ready." "Got to head out later on today." "Got to head out later on today." "Some things came up, so I have" "Some things came up, so I have to fly out." "to fly out." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "ANDREW:" "Yeah." "But,um..." "So," "ANDREW:" "Yeah." "But,um..." "So, last night, what happened?" "last night, what happened?" "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "Ijust" "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "Ijust  was kind of over it, to be was kind of over it, to be honest with you." "honest with you." "ANDREW:" "Butoverwhat?" "ANDREW:" "Butoverwhat?" "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "Wewere" "CANDIS:" "I don'tknow." "Wewere  talking and I was like, "What's talking and I was like, "What's going on with you?"" "going on with you?" And you were like, "I can't do" "And you were like, "I can't do this."" "this." ANDREW:" "Right,right." "ANDREW:" "Right,right." "CANDIS:" "I justfeltlikewe" "CANDIS:" "I justfeltlikewe had, you know... had, you know..." "ANDREW:" "Like,something." "ANDREW:" "Like,something." "CANDIS:...something." "CANDIS:...something." "ANDREW:" "Likeaspark?" "ANDREW:" "Likeaspark?" "CANDIS:" "So,I-Idon 'tknow." "CANDIS:" "So,I-Idon 'tknow." "I mean..." "I..." "And then I just" "I mean..." "I..." "And then I just assumed it was 'cause of the assumed it was 'cause of the trans thing and... trans thing and..." "ANDREW:" "It's,um ..." "Ijust..." "You could say yes." "That could be..." "Uh, uh, but, honestly, be..." "Uh, uh, but, honestly, that's a big issue, yes." "that's a big issue, yes." "Um, but at the same time, like," "Um, but at the same time, like, there's noth... there's no there's noth... there's no judgment, there's no anything judgment, there's no anything like that, um, by all means." "like that, um, by all means." "It's just something that... it's" "It's just something that... it's just not me." "just not me." "CANDIS:" "Allright." "CANDIS:" "Allright." "Um..." "I kind of knew it was the" "Um..." "I kind of knew it was the trans thing." "trans thing." "It's like the-the tables are" "It's like the-the tables are stacked against you, you know, stacked against you, you know, your whole life." "your whole life." "It's tough, because you never" "It's tough, because you never have a break, you know?" "Sometimes you get glimmers of that moment that could be, and that moment that could be, and then most of the time it doesn't then most of the time it doesn't happen." "happen." "It really hits home." "(indistinct chatter) CAITLYN:" "Goodmorning." "CAITLYN:" "Goodmorning." "There you are." "There you are." "TINA:" "How'smy babydoing" "TINA:" "How'smy babydoing today?" "today?" "CAITLYN:" "Mama,I'mdoing" "CAITLYN:" "Mama,I'mdoing good." "good." "Let's get some breakfast going." "Let's get some breakfast going." "TINA:" "Okay." "TINA:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Theothernight," "CAITLYN:" "Theothernight, when I was, uh, in Chicago, we when I was, uh, in Chicago, we went to the Baton... went to the Baton..." "TINA:" "Uh-huh." "TINA:" "Uh-huh." "CAITLYN:...andChandiwas" "CAITLYN:...andChandiwas  bringing the house down." "bringing the house down." "TINA:" "Uh-huh,yeah,looking" "TINA:" "Uh-huh,yeah,looking like Patti LaBelle, huh?" "like Patti LaBelle, huh?" "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoubeentoher" "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoubeentoher shows?" "shows?" "TINA:" "Oh,yeah." "Mm-hmm." "TINA:" "Oh,yeah." "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Sincetodayis" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Sincetodayis Transgender Day of" "Transgender Day of Remembrance..." "Remembrance..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "I kindof heard" "CAITLYN:" "I kindof heard that, at the beginning, it was that, at the beginning, it was tough on you." "tough on you." "What were your big concerns?" "What were your big concerns?" "TINA:" "Atfirst,Iwasvery" "TINA:" "Atfirst,Iwasvery hurt." "hurt." "I questioned myself as a mom." "KATE:" "Wearethe first generations who are actively generations who are actively bringing about the end of bringing about the end of transphobia." "transphobia." "(cheering)" "(cheering) CAITLYN:" "I havebeenisolated" "CAITLYN:" "I havebeenisolated my entire life." "my entire life." "I-I never felt like I fit in" "I-I never felt like I fit in anywhere." "anywhere." "And I know that's probably the" "And I know that's probably the feeling that you get sometimes." "feeling that you get sometimes." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,that'sfor sure." "TINA:" "Atfirst,Iwasvery hurt." "hurt." "I questioned myself as a mom." "I questioned myself as a mom." "Took me a while to get my grips" "Took me a while to get my grips on this here." "on this here." "'Cause first of all, I'd" "'Cause first of all, I'd never... never..." "CAITLYN:" "I wasgonnasay ,you" "CAITLYN:" "I wasgonnasay ,you  had no idea what even the word had no idea what even the word "transgender" was, did you?" ""transgender" was, did you?" "A-And..." "Which is most cases," "A-And..." "Which is most cases, yeah." "yeah." "TINA:" "WhenIstartedlooking" "TINA:" "WhenIstartedlooking at the fact and I'm seeing the at the fact and I'm seeing the things around my child-- young things around my child-- young ladies getting murdered, young ladies getting murdered, young ladies are being abused-- would" "ladies are being abused-- would I want my child like that?" "I want my child like that?" "No." "No." "No." "No." "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhavefear" "CAITLYN:" "Didyouhavefear  for her safety at the beginning?" "for her safety at the beginning?" "TINA:" "Yes,Idid ." "TINA:" "Yes,Idid ." "And yeah, I still fear." "And yeah, I still fear." "CAITLYN:" "Youstillfeelthat" "CAITLYN:" "Youstillfeelthat  way?" "way?" "TINA:" "Yes." "Yes." "TINA:" "Yes." "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "It'shardfor meto" "CAITLYN:" "It'shardfor meto accept that Chandi could accept that Chandi could actually be at risk just being actually be at risk just being out in the public." "out in the public." "Unfortunately, this is the" "Unfortunately, this is the reality of living in a reality of living in a transphobic world that doesn't transphobic world that doesn't accept trans people." "accept trans people." "TINA:" "Youknow,Iam a person" "TINA:" "Youknow,Iam a person that's, uh, very religious, and that's, uh, very religious, and I think what really keeps me on" "I think what really keeps me on the positive side is that just the positive side is that just because my child might not be because my child might not be like me... but they're still my like me... but they're still my child." "child." "So that's what God said in his" "So that's what God said in his word." "word." "He said, your, uh, situations" "He said, your, uh, situations may be a little different, but may be a little different, but guess what?" "guess what?" "He made us all." "He made us all." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "TINA:" "Wehavetolearnhowto" "TINA:" "Wehavetolearnhowto  love and accept them for what love and accept them for what they are." "they are." "You can't be pulling against" "You can't be pulling against them, you got to pull for 'em." "them, you got to pull for 'em." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "TINA:" "Especiallywhen...when" "TINA:" "Especiallywhen...when you have a child that's about you have a child that's about doing something positive." "doing something positive." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "You just have to be so proud of" "You just have to be so proud of what she's doing." "what she's doing." "TINA:" "I 'mveryproud." "TINA:" "I 'mveryproud." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow?" "TINA:" "I 'mveryproud." "TINA:" "I 'mveryproud." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "TINA:" "I reallyam ." "(elevator beeping) (elevator bell dings)" "(elevator bell dings) CAITLYN:" "Chandi'smomis" "CAITLYN:" "Chandi'smomis such an inspiration, 'cause she such an inspiration, 'cause she never gave up on her child." "never gave up on her child." "And look how Chandi has" "And look how Chandi has turned out-- she's doing so turned out-- she's doing so much good." "much good." "Kind of the same way I feel with" "Kind of the same way I feel with Scott." "Scott." "I always wanna be there for him." "I always wanna be there for him." "I don't wanna give up on Scott," "I don't wanna give up on Scott, and hopefully, he can turn his and hopefully, he can turn his life around." "life around." "SCOTT:" "Coming!" "Com..." "SCOTT:" "Coming!" "Com..." "CAITLYN:" "It'slocked!" "CAITLYN:" "It'slocked!" "Scotty." "Scotty." "SCOTT:" "Ifyou'reawomannow," "SCOTT:" "Ifyou'reawomannow, I think you need to tone down" "I think you need to tone down your knock." "your knock." "CAITLYN:" "Youthinkso?" "CAITLYN:" "Youthinkso?" "It should be more gentle?" "It should be more gentle?" "(Scott pounding on door)" "(Scott pounding on door) Not like that?" "Not like that?" "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoin'?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoin'?" "SCOTT:" "What'shappening?" "SCOTT:" "What'shappening?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Iheardyou" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Iheardyou were thinking about leaving, were thinking about leaving, number one." "number one." "And I don't think you should." "And I don't think you should." "We have this ceremony tonight, I" "We have this ceremony tonight, I think it would be good for you." "think it would be good for you." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,butagain,I'm" "SCOTT:" "Yeah,butagain,I'm here for you." "here for you." "I'm not here for just... your" "I'm not here for just... your people." "people." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Haveaseat ." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Haveaseat ." "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow," "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow, SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime" "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime with them than I have with you." "SCOTT:" "I 'mhereforyou ." "I'm not here for just... your" "I'm not here for just... your people." "people." "CAITLYN:" "Haveas ...havea" "CAITLYN:" "Haveas ...havea seat." "seat." "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "SCOTT:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow," "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow, SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime" "SCOTT:" "I 'vespentmoretime with them than I have with you." "with them than I have with you." "CAITLYN:" "But..." "Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "But..." "Iknow." "But... all of these people have" "But... all of these people have a lot in common with you." "a lot in common with you." "(Scott sighs)" "(Scott sighs) I have been isolated my entire" "I have been isolated my entire life." "life." "I-I never felt like I fit in" "I-I never felt like I fit in anywhere." "anywhere." "When I finally decided to be" "When I finally decided to be true with myself and come out, I true with myself and come out, I surrounded myself with some surrounded myself with some really great people-- all these really great people-- all these girls that have so much in" "girls that have so much in common with me." "common with me." "My life changed around" "My life changed around immediately." "immediately." "And I feel like you're kind of" "And I feel like you're kind of in the same place here." "in the same place here." "The-the whole, you know," "The-the whole, you know, drinking thing and all that drinking thing and all that kind of stuff-- it just... kind of stuff-- it just..." "it's not good." "it's not good." "And you certainly don't find" "And you certainly don't find happiness there." "happiness there." "SCOTT:" "Mm-mm." "SCOTT:" "Mm-mm." "I used to always think that when" "I used to always think that when I was drunk the real me came" "I was drunk the real me came out." "out." "And I always thought the real me" "And I always thought the real me was a bad person." "was a bad person." "And I've realized that, you" "And I've realized that, you know, substances make people know, substances make people something else." "something else." "It's not really who they are." "It's not really who they are." "So I've been able to kind of" "So I've been able to kind of forgive myself for all the forgive myself for all the things, and now I'm just things, and now I'm just focusing on actually being me." "focusing on actually being me." "I've just been happy for the" "I've just been happy for the first time in a long time." "first time in a long time." "CAITLYN:" "Yougottomake some" "CAITLYN:" "Yougottomake some  major changes, but it's all for major changes, but it's all for the good." "the good." "Now, I mean, I look at my life" "Now, I mean, I look at my life now, I've never been in a better now, I've never been in a better place in life than I am right place in life than I am right now." "now." "Better than the Games, standing" "Better than the Games, standing on top of a platform." "on top of a platform." "SCOTT:" "Youknow,whateveryou" "SCOTT:" "Youknow,whateveryou want to do, want to do, and I'm there to do with you." "and I'm there to do with you." "CAITLYN:" "I wantyoutoknow" "CAITLYN:" "I wantyoutoknow  that I'm there for you, too." "that I'm there for you, too." "It seems like Scott is getting" "It seems like Scott is getting his act together." "his act together." "He seems more self-aware." "He seems more self-aware." "To me, that's progress." "To me, that's progress." "I've been through a lot." "I've been through a lot." "He's been through a lot." "He's been through a lot." "And it's not going through these" "And it's not going through these issues, it's how you come out issues, it's how you come out the other side." "the other side." "It's all good." "It's all good." "Life's very short, as we all" "Life's very short, as we all know." "know." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,that'sfor sure." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,that'sfor sure." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Don't throw it away." "Don't throw it away." "Yeah." "Yeah." "SCOTT:" "Listen,nowthatwe've" "SCOTT:" "Listen,nowthatwe've had this talk, I mean, I feel had this talk, I mean, I feel more comfortable." "more comfortable." "I just felt like..." "I felt a" "I just felt like..." "I felt a little bit of an outsider, even little bit of an outsider, even here, so it kind of got me down." "here, so it kind of got me down." "But I can..." "I can push the" "But I can..." "I can push the flight a little and go with you flight a little and go with you to this... remembrance thing." "to this... remembrance thing." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,no Ithink..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,no Ithink..." "I think it'd be good, yeah," "I think it'd be good, yeah, I think it would be good to go." "I think it would be good to go." "SCOTT:" "Allright." "SCOTT:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Giveme ahug ." "CAITLYN:" "Giveme ahug ." "Good." "Good." "All right, we'll see you." "All right, we'll see you." "Get ready." "Get ready." "SCOTT:" "Youmayneedtotone" "SCOTT:" "Youmayneedtotone down your hugs, too, with the... down your hugs, too, with the..." "CAITLYN:" "It'sgood." "CAITLYN:" "It'sgood." "SCOTT:" "It'slikethe door" "SCOTT:" "It'slikethe door knock." "knock." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "Hi ." "Howare you ?" "LEON:" "Hi!" "LEON:" "Hi!" "CANDIS:" "Candis." "CANDIS:" "Candis." "MISSLEON:" "Hi ." "I'mMissLeon ." "MISSLEON:" "Hi ." "I'mMissLeon ." "Nice to meet you." "Nice to meet you." "Here you go." "Here you go." "CAITLYN:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Hello." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "Nice to see you." "Nice to see you." "CHANDI:" "Havingmy momhere" "CHANDI:" "Havingmy momhere for Transgender Day of for Transgender Day of Remembrance is so amazing." "Remembrance is so amazing." "And it will be great for her to" "And it will be great for her to be amongst all these trans be amongst all these trans people who are paying homage to people who are paying homage to those who have been lost this those who have been lost this year." "year." "SPEAKER:" "So,nowwewill hear" "SPEAKER:" "So,nowwewill hear  the names and the stories of the names and the stories of some of those lives." "some of those lives." "WOMAN:" "TyUnderwood,age 29." "WOMAN:" "TyUnderwood,age 29." "Kristina Gomes Reinwald, age 46." "Kristina Gomes Reinwald, age 46." "CANDIS:" "We'vehadareally" "CANDIS:" "We'vehadareally tough year." "tough year." "(crying):" "But when you read the" "(crying):" "But when you read the names, it really hits home." "names, it really hits home." "CAITLYN:" "AmberMonroe." "CAITLYN:" "AmberMonroe." "VARIOUSVOICES:" "London" "VARIOUSVOICES:" "London Chanel..." "Ashton O'Hara..." "Chanel..." "Ashton O'Hara..." "Keyshia Blige..." "K.C. Haggard..." "Keyshia Blige..." "K.C. Haggard..." "Shade Schuler..." "Kandis Capri..." "Shade Schuler..." "Kandis Capri..." "Zella Ziona..." "Mercedes" "Zella Ziona..." "Mercedes Williamson..." "India Clarke..." "Williamson..." "India Clarke..." "Taja DeJesus..." "Tamara" "Taja DeJesus..." "Tamara Dominguez..." "Kiesha Jenkins..." "Dominguez..." "Kiesha Jenkins..." "Papi Edwards..." "Lamia Beard..." "Papi Edwards..." "Lamia Beard..." "Yazmin Vash Payne..." "Penny" "Yazmin Vash Payne..." "Penny Proud..." "Mya Hall..." "Proud..." "Mya Hall..." "Jasmine Collins..." "Elisha" "Jasmine Collins..." "Elisha Walker." "Walker." "CANDIS:" "Anyoneofuscould" "CANDIS:" "Anyoneofuscould  be in a situation where we could be in a situation where we could be just like our brothers and be just like our brothers and sisters who are murdered because sisters who are murdered because you are trans." "you are trans." "MISSLEON:" "We mustremember" "MISSLEON:" "We mustremember that out of tragedy comes hope, that out of tragedy comes hope, resilience and triumph." "resilience and triumph." "I'm here to support, maintain" "I'm here to support, maintain and nurture this trans memorial and nurture this trans memorial garden, which, again, is the garden, which, again, is the very first of its kind in the very first of its kind in the nation." "nation." "We are making history right" "We are making history right here, in The Grove, in St." "here, in The Grove, in St. Louis, in the Midwest." "Louis, in the Midwest." "(cheering)" "(cheering) Hey, yes!" "Hey, yes!" "History is being made." "History is being made." "KATE:" "Well,thankyou ,St." "KATE:" "Well,thankyou ,St.  Louis, for putting this here." "Louis, for putting this here." "I want to acknowledge that we" "I want to acknowledge that we are the first generations who are the first generations who are actively bringing about the are actively bringing about the end of transphobia." "end of transphobia." "(cheering, whooping)" "(cheering, whooping) KATE:" "Thankyousomuch !" "KATE:" "Thankyousomuch !" "MATTBEILIS:ķ' Cause" "MATTBEILIS:ķ' Cause whatever we are, we are... ķ whatever we are, we are... ķ CAITLYN:" "TransDayof" "CAITLYN:" "TransDayof Remembrance was actually a very" "Remembrance was actually a very beautiful experience." "beautiful experience." "Having an opportunity to pay" "Having an opportunity to pay respect to these people for who respect to these people for who they were, for me, is very they were, for me, is very important." "important." "And it's nice to kind of be" "And it's nice to kind of be reminded of what the issues are reminded of what the issues are out there." "out there." "SPEAKER:" "Andwe claimthis" "SPEAKER:" "Andwe claimthis space as living and sacred." "space as living and sacred." "BEILIS:ķ Whateverwe are" "BEILIS:ķ Whateverwe are We are... ķ" "KRIS:" "Hi!" "CANDIS:" "Stillto comethis" "CANDIS:" "Stillto comethis season on I Am Cait..." "CAITLYN:" "Candis!" "CANDIS:" "That'sabig stick." "CANDIS:" "That'sabig stick." "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'stoldme" "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'stoldme that in a long time." "that in a long time." "(laughter, cheering)" "(laughter, cheering) JENNY:" "That'swhatI'm" "JENNY:" "That'swhatI'm  talking about!" "talking about!" "ELLA:" "Kiss." "ELLA:" "Kiss." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "Handhug!" "CAITLYN:" "Handhug!" "SCOTT:" "Howmuchare trees?" "SCOTT:" "Howmuchare trees?" "$100?" "Aye, aye, aye." "$100?" "Aye, aye, aye." "CANDIS:" "Wehavetotalk about" "CANDIS:" "Wehavetotalk about something." "something." ""Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz" ""Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz opposes equality for transgender opposes equality for transgender people because he thinks trans people because he thinks trans kids will molest his daughters."" "kids will molest his daughters." CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "MARA:" "Thereis apartisan" "MARA:" "Thereis apartisan slant to this." "slant to this." "Watch your candidates this year." "Watch your candidates this year." "When they do messed up stuff," "When they do messed up stuff, you call them out." "you call them out." "JENNY:" "Republicans,your" "JENNY:" "Republicans,your people, they don't like us." "people, they don't like us." "CAITLYN:" "They'renotmy" "CAITLYN:" "They'renotmy people if they're against this people if they're against this issue." "issue." "I think he's just totally" "I think he's just totally misinformed." "misinformed." "CANDIS:" "Thatwasahuge step ." "CANDIS:" "Thatwasahuge step ." "CAITLYN:" "You'reabsolutely" "CAITLYN:" "You'reabsolutely right." "right." "I just want to apologize" "I just want to apologize for the way I acted." "for the way I acted." "It didn't he be that way." "It didn't he be that way." "A little disobediance, girls?" "A little disobediance, girls?" "What do you say?" "What do you say?" "KATE:" "Seriously,thatcould" "KATE:" "Seriously,thatcould mean arrest." "mean arrest." "You're becoming a leftist" "You're becoming a leftist activist." "activist." "(cheering)" "(cheering) You found out how to express" "You found out how to express yourself as a woman and listen, yourself as a woman and listen, and for that, you've earned my and for that, you've earned my respect and complete support." "respect and complete support." "CAITLYN:" "I loveyouall ." "CAITLYN:" "I loveyouall ." "Captioningsponsoredby"