"on the defensive, or self-conscious with her at all?" "self-conscious with her at all?" "CAITLYN:" "I alwaysfeltonthe" "CAITLYN:" "I alwaysfeltonthe defensive with her." "defensive with her." "JENNY:" "Didshetell" "JENNY:" "Didshetell you early on?" "you early on?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too !" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too !" "KRIS:" "Therewasno" Iam" "KRIS:" "Therewasno" Iam transgender."" "transgender." CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher" "CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher  what was going on." "what was going on." "We are doing it in New Orleans." "We are doing it in New Orleans." "Yes we are." "Yes we are." "(indistinct chatter)" "(indistinct chatter) KRIS:" "Kimwastellingmethat" "KRIS:" "Kimwastellingmethat you, she had asked you a you, she had asked you a question about like do you want question about like do you want to date a guy or a girl." "to date a guy or a girl." "She told me that you said a guy." "ķ ķ" "(birds chirping)" "CANDIS:" "Hi,goodmorning!" "CHANDI:" "Goodmorning!" "CHANDI:" "Goodmorning!" "JENNY:" "Madeit back." "JENNY:" "Madeit back." "CHANDI:" "Yes,we did." "CHANDI:" "Yes,we did." "ELLA:" "Areyouguysready?" "ELLA:" "Areyouguysready?" "CANDIS:" "Weareready!" "CANDIS:" "Weareready!" "ELLA:' Causeweareoff ." "ELLA:' Causeweareoff ." "KATE:" "We'reready.(laughs)" "KATE:" "We'reready.(laughs) (all clamoring)" "(all clamoring) CAITLYN:" "Thisis ourlastbus" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis ourlastbus trip." "trip." "(all cheering)" "(all cheering) CANDIS:" "I thinkwe haveto" "CANDIS:" "I thinkwe haveto have some fun in New Orleans." "have some fun in New Orleans." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Itotallyagree." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Itotallyagree." "My sister will be there, just" "My sister will be there, just about the time we get there." "about the time we get there." "CANDIS:" "She'llwanttoparty" "CANDIS:" "She'llwanttoparty all night." "all night." "CAITLYN:" "I amso gladthatmy" "CAITLYN:" "I amso gladthatmy sister Pam, yes, is coming to sister Pam, yes, is coming to New Orleans!" "New Orleans!" "I love my sister Pam." "I love my sister Pam." "She's been great, she's known" "She's been great, she's known about me, Caitlyn, for ever and about me, Caitlyn, for ever and ever." "ever." "And, all those issues are in the" "And, all those issues are in the past, and to be honest with past, and to be honest with you, it's just to have a good you, it's just to have a good time with your sister." "time with your sister." "She's-she's looking" "She's-she's looking for a good time." "for a good time." "CHANDI:" "She'sgotthe right" "CHANDI:" "She'sgotthe right batch of girls." "batch of girls." "(laughs)" "(laughs) ķ ķ" "KATE:" "Somethingabout trans men, I love." "trans men, I love." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "They'reso handsome." "KATE:" "They'reso handsome." "And in the same way we embody" "And in the same way we embody "lady," they embody "gentleman."" ""lady," they embody "gentleman." Most people think that it's" "Most people think that it's genitals that make you a man or genitals that make you a man or a woman." "a woman." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "KATE:" "Right?" "KATE:" "Right?" "And that's why one of the very" "And that's why one of the very first things when people think first things when people think of well, trans women, what does of well, trans women, what does she have down there?" "she have down there?" "Trans man, what does he have" "Trans man, what does he have down there?" "down there?" "That comes up for people." "That comes up for people." "CHANDI:" "It'sanaturalthing." "CHANDI:" "It'sanaturalthing." "KATE:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Although,everybody" "CHANDI:" "Although,everybody shouldn't ask that question." "shouldn't ask that question." "KATE:" "I don'tknowwhy not ." "KATE:" "I don'tknowwhy not ." "You know?" "You know?" "CHANDI:" "It'snotaproblemto" "CHANDI:" "It'snotaproblemto discuss genitals if it's discuss genitals if it's appropriate, you know?" "appropriate, you know?" "I just don't feel like someone" "I just don't feel like someone who I meet on the street and-and who I meet on the street and-and we discuss the fact of me we discuss the fact of me being trans, that should be being trans, that should be their first question." "their first question." "KATE:" "So,it 'samatterof" "KATE:" "So,it 'samatterof manners, and... manners, and..." "CHANDI:" "Right!" "CHANDI:" "Right!" "For me, it's better..." "For me, it's better..." "KATE:" "Forgood,goodmanners." "KATE:" "Forgood,goodmanners." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "I don'tthinkthere's" "CANDIS:" "I don'tthinkthere's any time at all." "any time at all." "I think your privates are your" "I think your privates are your privates, personally." "privates, personally." "ELLA:" "Yeah,youknowwhat ," "ELLA:" "Yeah,youknowwhat , that's true, at the same time." "that's true, at the same time." "CHANDI:" "That's,that's" "CHANDI:" "That's,that's true, too." "true, too." "CANDIS:" "AndIdon 'twantto" "CANDIS:" "AndIdon 'twantto discuss my genitals with discuss my genitals with anybody and I don't want anybody and I don't want anybody asking me about mine." "anybody asking me about mine." "There's so much more to talk" "There's so much more to talk about." "about." "ELLA:" "ButIthinkalso part" "ELLA:" "ButIthinkalso part  of that education is important of that education is important to let them know that that's to let them know that that's not the important part at all." "not the important part at all." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right,yeah," "CANDIS:" "Right,yeah, yeah, yeah." "yeah, yeah." "ELLA:" "That'snotvalidating" "ELLA:" "That'snotvalidating my gender at all." "my gender at all." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "KATE:" "Inthe'80s,when I" "KATE:" "Inthe'80s,when I got my surgery, it was just got my surgery, it was just assumed that that's what you assumed that that's what you would do." "would do." "There was no-nobody saying," "There was no-nobody saying, "Well, you know, you want to" ""Well, you know, you want to think about it for a while?"" "think about it for a while?" CAITLYN:" "Genderconfirmation" "CAITLYN:" "Genderconfirmation surgery is something I think surgery is something I think anybody in my position, or the anybody in my position, or the girls' position, of course, you girls' position, of course, you look into." "look into." "For me, I have no idea what the" "For me, I have no idea what the future holds." "future holds." "But it is really interesting to" "But it is really interesting to listen to all the girls, because listen to all the girls, because when it comes to this, every when it comes to this, every person has a different way to be" "person has a different way to be authentic to themselves." "authentic to themselves." "ELLA:" "I think,fordifferent" "ELLA:" "I think,fordifferent people, it might be different." "people, it might be different." "But personally me, I always" "But personally me, I always say, "Well, really, if I'm gonna say, "Well, really, if I'm gonna get it, it's for the reason I get it, it's for the reason I want to wear a bathing suit, and" "want to wear a bathing suit, and not have to worry about certain not have to worry about certain things."" "things." CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "ELLA:" "Forsimple," "ELLA:" "Forsimple, simple things." "simple things." "CHANDI:" "Butyoucan put ona" "CHANDI:" "Butyoucan put ona  bathing suit now, mama." "bathing suit now, mama." "ELLA:" "Yeah,Iknow." "ELLA:" "Yeah,Iknow." "CHANDI:" "Androckit, right." "CHANDI:" "Androckit, right." "JENNY:" "Youknow,for me, it" "JENNY:" "Youknow,for me, it was, like, that was the thing I was, like, that was the thing I wanted." "wanted." "I didn't want anything else." "I didn't want anything else." "What I wanted was-was in fact a" "What I wanted was-was in fact a body that was the home that body that was the home that I-I'd never been to, that I was" "I-I'd never been to, that I was always homesick for." "always homesick for." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "JENNY:" "Youknow,for me," "JENNY:" "Youknow,for me,  it's-it's-it makes me really it's-it's-it makes me really happy, um, and, uh, in all happy, um, and, uh, in all kinds of ways, um, but it took" "kinds of ways, um, but it took me a while to figure out how to me a while to figure out how to work it, actually." "work it, actually." "(laughter, clamoring)" "(birds chirping)" "ķ ķ" "(bell rings) KATE:" "Giveit here,girls." "KATE:" "Giveit here,girls." "Oh, you are so cute!" "Oh, you are so cute!" "ELLA:" "Gorg." "ELLA:" "Gorg." "CAITLYN:" "Interesting" "CAITLYN:" "Interesting development in the last few development in the last few hours." "hours." "CHANDI:" "Oh." "CHANDI:" "Oh." "KATE:" "Yeah?" "KATE:" "Yeah?" "CAITLYN:" "That,it lookslike" "CAITLYN:" "That,it lookslike we'll have another guest." "we'll have another guest." "CANDIS:" "Who?" "CANDIS:" "Who?" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,someoneI" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,someoneI know intimately." "know intimately." "CANDIS:" "Oh." "CANDIS:" "Oh." "CHANDI:" "Ooh,ooh." "CHANDI:" "Ooh,ooh." "CAITLYN:" "Reallyintimately." "CAITLYN:" "Reallyintimately." "CANDIS:" "Kris." "CANDIS:" "Kris." "Really?" "Really?" "KATE:" "Really?" "KATE:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Really?" "CHANDI:" "Really?" "CHANDI:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Krisis coming?" "CANDIS:" "Krisis coming?" "CAITLYN:" "Now,wait,wait," "CAITLYN:" "Now,wait,wait, wait, wait, wait, wait." "wait, wait, wait, wait." "The way you said that." "The way you said that." "Okay, you went, like, "Huh?"" "Okay, you went, like, "Huh?" CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Why?" "CAITLYN:" "Why?" "Why would you, why was your" "Why would you, why was your reaction like that?" "reaction like that?" "CHANDI:" "Well,I'mjust" "CHANDI:" "Well,I'mjust surprised that Kris would be surprised that Kris would be willing to come hang out with willing to come hang out with all of us." "all of us." "She's still learning about you," "She's still learning about you, and that's... and that's..." "CAITLYN:" "AndIthink" "CAITLYN:" "AndIthink-- I-I get that." "I-I get that." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Um,Ithinkitwould" "CAITLYN:" "Um,Ithinkitwould  be very good for her." "be very good for her." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "KATE:" "Butokay,atthis" "KATE:" "Butokay,atthis  point, in your relationship, point, in your relationship, is she being good to you?" "CAITLYN:" "She'sbeenfine." "But she has not over the last" "But she has not over the last year really called or, you know, year really called or, you know, I've reached out to her on a few" "I've reached out to her on a few occasions." "occasions." "We spent some time together." "We spent some time together." "But Kris is..." "But Kris is..." "Kris is Kris, you know?" "Kris is Kris, you know?" "CANDIS:" "Butwhenyou came" "CANDIS:" "Butwhenyou came out, she had, that's a lot for out, she had, that's a lot for someone to go through." "someone to go through." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Itotallyagree." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Itotallyagree." "CANDIS:" "Andthefactthat" "CANDIS:" "Andthefactthat  she's coming to meet all your she's coming to meet all your girls, and to hang out girls, and to hang out is pretty cool." "is pretty cool." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,it 'sgood." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,it 'sgood." "No, I-I think it's very cool." "No, I-I think it's very cool." "ELLA:" "I mean,Idon 'tthink" "ELLA:" "I mean,Idon 'tthink she's had a chance to really be she's had a chance to really be around trans women, like, has around trans women, like, has she had that experience, yet?" "she had that experience, yet?" "CAITLYN:" "No,no ." "CAITLYN:" "No,no ." "ELLA:" "No?" "ELLA:" "No?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,shehasn'tbeen" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,shehasn'tbeen  around me that much." "around me that much." "ELLA:" "No,thenthis'llbe" "ELLA:" "No,thenthis'llbe a, this'll be great." "a, this'll be great." "CAITLYN:" "KrisJenneris" "CAITLYN:" "KrisJenneris coming to town!" "coming to town!" "I am excited about her coming to" "I am excited about her coming to town." "town." "Uh, I think it'll be fun." "Uh, I think it'll be fun." "Because I think it's really good" "Because I think it's really good that she has an opportunity to that she has an opportunity to hang around and actually spend hang around and actually spend some time with all the girls." "some time with all the girls." "'Cause, honestly, I think she's" "'Cause, honestly, I think she's gonna love them." "gonna love them." "The last..." "The last..." "CANDIS:" "Yoursituation." "CANDIS:" "Yoursituation." "CAITLYN:...timeIactually" "CAITLYN:...timeIactually had a conversation with her, she had a conversation with her, she looked at me and goes, "Are you looked at me and goes, "Are you dating that girl?"" "dating that girl?" CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Thatwasyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Thatwasyou ." "CANDIS:" "Butnow,wegetto" "CANDIS:" "Butnow,wegetto meet face to face." "meet face to face." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "Should we go in our own hotel" "Should we go in our own hotel room together, like, make sure room together, like, make sure she sees us go in the room she sees us go in the room together?" "together?" "CANDIS:" "Right,yeah." "CANDIS:" "Right,yeah." "Just take..." "Just take..." "CAITLYN:" "Really,really" "CAITLYN:" "Really,really screw with her, yeah." "screw with her, yeah." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CHANDI:" "Cait?" "CHANDI:" "Cait?" "CAITLYN:" "Thatwouldbeneat ," "CAITLYN:" "Thatwouldbeneat , yeah." "yeah." "CHANDI:" "Youarepickingup" "CHANDI:" "Youarepickingup shade so well." "shade so well." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "I know,Iknow." "CHANDI:" "Youarepickingup" "CHANDI:" "Youarepickingup shade so well!" "shade so well!" "(laughs)" "ELLA:" "Oh!" "Candis, are you thinking what" "Candis, are you thinking what I'm thinking?" "I'm thinking?" "CANDIS:" "Whatareyou" "CANDIS:" "Whatareyou  thinking?" "thinking?" "ELLA:" "BridalBoutique." "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi,howare you ?" "CANDIS:" "Hi,howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God,lookat" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God,lookat it." "it." "CANDIS:" "I know,it 'samazing." "CANDIS:" "I know,it 'samazing." "ELLA:" "I needto findthe" "ELLA:" "I needto findthe  right one for you, Candis." "right one for you, Candis." "CAITLYN:" "You'reactually" "CAITLYN:" "You'reactually trying something on?" "trying something on?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnado it ,why" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgonnado it ,why not?" "not?" "CAITLYN:" "God..." "CAITLYN:" "God..." "CANDIS:" "I 'venevertriedon" "CANDIS:" "I 'venevertriedon wedding dresses." "wedding dresses." "CAITLYN:" "EitherhaveI!" "CAITLYN:" "EitherhaveI!" "CANDIS:( laughs)" "CANDIS:( laughs) ELLA:" "Whatdo yousee" "ELLA:" "Whatdo yousee  yourself, like, rocking?" "yourself, like, rocking?" "CAITLYN:" "A weddingdress?" "CAITLYN:" "A weddingdress?" "CHANDI:" "Whattypeofbride" "CHANDI:" "Whattypeofbride do you think you'd be?" "do you think you'd be?" "CAITLYN:" "I-Ihave,Ihaven't" "CAITLYN:" "I-Ihave,Ihaven't gone that far." "gone that far." "ELLA:" "Well,we 're" "ELLA:" "Well,we 're gonna go there." "gonna go there." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "We'regoing" "ELLA:" "We'regoing there today." "there today." "CAITLYN:" "I 'venevergone" "CAITLYN:" "I 'venevergone that far." "that far." "ELLA:" "I thinkepicwouldbe" "ELLA:" "I thinkepicwouldbe an understatement of a bunch of an understatement of a bunch of trans women in wedding gowns." "trans women in wedding gowns." "Which one would look great in" "Which one would look great in Hawaii?" "(chuckles)" "Hawaii?" "(chuckles) 'Cause I think that's" "'Cause I think that's where the wedding is." "where the wedding is." "Let go of the fact that we're" "Let go of the fact that we're trans and just kind of realize trans and just kind of realize that we're all just having fun." "that we're all just having fun." "CANDIS:" "Allright,herewe" "CANDIS:" "Allright,herewe go." "go." "CAITLYN:" "Challengeis on ." "CAITLYN:" "Challengeis on ." "Who wore it best?" "Who wore it best?" "KATE:" "I wouldweara" "KATE:" "I wouldweara rhinestone tuxedo." "rhinestone tuxedo." "CHANDI:" "Ooh!" "CHANDI:" "Ooh!" "KATE:" "Withatop hat ." "KATE:" "Withatop hat ." "CHANDI:" "I wouldprobably" "CHANDI:" "I wouldprobably never go inside a wedding dress never go inside a wedding dress store and ever try on a wedding store and ever try on a wedding dress, so this is like, a great dress, so this is like, a great moment." "moment." "ELLA:" "ShouldIcomeandhelp?" "ELLA:" "ShouldIcomeandhelp?" "Oh, my gosh!" "Oh, my gosh!" "CANDIS:" "I 'mready." "CANDIS:" "I 'mready." "CHANDI:" "Oh..." "CHANDI:" "Oh..." "KATE:" "Oh..." "KATE:" "Oh..." "CHANDI:" "I loveit ." "CHANDI:" "I loveit ." "Yes!" "Yes!" "KATE:" "Oh!" "KATE:" "Oh!" "What a glimpse of an angel!" "What a glimpse of an angel!" "CANDIS:" "Thisis crazy!" "CANDIS:" "Thisis crazy!" "For me, trying on this wedding" "For me, trying on this wedding dress, I kind of am seeing it as dress, I kind of am seeing it as a little bit of an affirmation a little bit of an affirmation of what I could possibly want" "of what I could possibly want have happen to me." "have happen to me." "For almost all of existence," "For almost all of existence, that wasn't even uh, uh, an that wasn't even uh, uh, an option for trans women." "option for trans women." "ELLA:" "Honey,comeout !" "ELLA:" "Honey,comeout !" "ALL:" "Oh!" "ALL:" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Howdo theydothe" "CAITLYN:" "Howdo theydothe walk?" "walk?" "CANDIS:( chuckles)No." "CANDIS:( chuckles)No." "Just natural." "Just natural." "CAITLYN:" "Wantto know" "CAITLYN:" "Wantto know something... something..." "Oh!" "Jesus Christ!" "Oh!" "Jesus Christ!" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Oh, my God!" "Oh, my God!" "What do you think?" "What do you think?" "ELLA:" "Thatis flippin'" "ELLA:" "Thatis flippin' stunning, yeah." "stunning, yeah." "KATE:" "Girl,Ineedtopush" "KATE:" "Girl,Ineedtopush things." "things." "CAITLYN:" "I thinkwe needto" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkwe needto pose." "pose." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,herewego." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,herewego." "Oh, thank you, Chandi." "Oh, thank you, Chandi." "You can be my bridesmaid any" "You can be my bridesmaid any day." "day." "CHANDI:" "Okay,babe." "CHANDI:" "Okay,babe." "CAITLYN:" "DidIeverthink" "CAITLYN:" "DidIeverthink this day would come?" "this day would come?" "No." "No." "I've been at three weddings," "I've been at three weddings, okay, with the most boring okay, with the most boring clothes on in life, okay?" "clothes on in life, okay?" "Uh, finally I get to wear" "Uh, finally I get to wear something... comfortable." "something... comfortable." "KATE:" "Candis..." "Caitlyn..." "KATE:" "Candis..." "Caitlyn..." "I now pronounce you trans-bride" "I now pronounce you trans-bride and trans-bride." "and trans-bride." "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "ELLA:" "Kissher!" "ELLA:" "Kissher!" "(Caitlyn laughs)" "ELLA:" "Oh,herewego." "CAITLYN:" "T-shirts." "CAITLYN:" "T-shirts." "CANDIS:" "Oh,T-shirts?" "CANDIS:" "Oh,T-shirts?" "CHANDI:" "T-shirts." "CHANDI:" "T-shirts." "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God!" "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God!" "It's Caitlyn!" "It's Caitlyn!" "CAITLYN:" "Howaboutan" "CAITLYN:" "Howaboutan alligator head?" "alligator head?" "Like, we could put this on the" "Like, we could put this on the hood... hood..." "(Ella laughs)" "(Ella laughs) ...of a car or something." "...of a car or something." "ELLA:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "Cait,do we needMardi" "ELLA:" "Cait,do we needMardi Gras masks?" "Gras masks?" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,that'snot" "CAITLYN:" "Actually,that'snot  a bad idea." "a bad idea." "CANDIS:" "Ooh,Iliketheteal" "CANDIS:" "Ooh,Iliketheteal one." "one." "WOMAN:" "Caitlyn,canyou say" "WOMAN:" "Caitlyn,canyou say  "hey" to my snap, please?" ""hey" to my snap, please?" "CANDIS:" "Wow,there'sawhole" "CANDIS:" "Wow,there'sawhole crowd of people." "crowd of people." "(laughs)" "(laughs) We're completely circled." "We're completely circled." "ELLA:" "Yeah,Iknow,this" "ELLA:" "Yeah,Iknow,this  isn't... isn't..." "WOMAN:" "Youaregorgeous." "WOMAN:" "Youaregorgeous." "Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous!" "Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous!" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo ." "WOMAN:" "Congratulations," "WOMAN:" "Congratulations, Caitlyn." "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Hello,howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Hello,howare you ?" "Thank you." "Thank you." "MAN:" "Caitlyn,youlook" "MAN:" "Caitlyn,youlook beautiful." "beautiful." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "ELLA:" "Thatwasinsane." "ELLA:" "Thatwasinsane." "Being on the bus with Caitlyn, I" "Being on the bus with Caitlyn, I forgot what it's like to see her forgot what it's like to see her from the outside." "from the outside." "And every single time we were in" "And every single time we were in public, just the reaction that public, just the reaction that she got from anyone who came in she got from anyone who came in her path... that reaction her path... that reaction shocked me, every time." "shocked me, every time." "Because it kind of brought me" "Because it kind of brought me back to what she really has back to what she really has done, you know, for us." "done, you know, for us." "CHANDI:" "Good." "CHANDI:" "Good." "What's your name?" "What's your name?" "KAITLYN:" "Kaitlyn." "KAITLYN:" "Kaitlyn." "I know!" "I know!" "CHANDI:" "Kaitlyn?" "CHANDI:" "Kaitlyn?" "(laughs)" "(laughs) How are you, Kaitlyn?" "How are you, Kaitlyn?" "KAITLYN:" "I 'mgood,Ijust" "KAITLYN:" "I 'mgood,Ijust want to meet... want to meet..." "CHANDI:" "Greatto meetyou ." "CHANDI:" "Greatto meetyou ." "KAITLYN:" "I seeCandis." "KAITLYN:" "I seeCandis." "I've been trying to wave." "I've been trying to wave." "CHANDI:" "You'vebeentryingto" "CHANDI:" "You'vebeentryingto wave at... wave at..." "Candis?" "Candis?" "Kaitlyn wants to say hi." "Kaitlyn wants to say hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi,girl." "CANDIS:" "Hi,girl." "KAITLYN:" "Thisis my sister." "KAITLYN:" "Thisis my sister." "CANDIS:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CANDIS:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CHANDI:" "Hi,sweetie." "Mwah!" "CHANDI:" "Hi,sweetie." "Mwah!" "PAM:" "Partytime!" "PAM:" "Partytime!" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God!" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no !" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no !" "Sister Pam is here!" "Sister Pam is here!" "Oh, God..." "Oh, God..." "PAM:" "Lookat allthese." "PAM:" "Lookat allthese." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yougot the" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yougot the  beads going... beads going..." "What is this?" "What is this?" "Is this the Welcome Wagon?" "Is this the Welcome Wagon?" "You don't even say hi?" "You don't even say hi?" "PAM:" "Hi." "PAM:" "Hi." "CAITLYN:" "MysisterPam is" "CAITLYN:" "MysisterPam is here and I'm excited about her here and I'm excited about her spending some quality time with spending some quality time with all the girls, so, uh, it'll be all the girls, so, uh, it'll be fun." "fun." "Ready?" "Ready?" "CHANDI:" "Yes,let'sgo." "CHANDI:" "Yes,let'sgo." "PAM:" "Cait,whatcar doyou" "PAM:" "Cait,whatcar doyou want?" "want?" "CAITLYN:" "We'regoingbackin" "CAITLYN:" "We'regoingbackin the van." "the van." "CANDIS:" "Noteto self,leave" "CANDIS:" "Noteto self,leave Caitlyn at home." "Caitlyn at home." "(laughter)" "(laughter) And we can go shopping." "And we can go shopping." "(bells jingling)" "PAM:" "CafeDu Monde." "This is a classic." "This is a classic." "(Candis gasps)" "(Candis gasps) CANDIS:" "Lookat thesizeof" "CANDIS:" "Lookat thesizeof those!" "those!" "I might need a doggy bag." "I might need a doggy bag." "PAM:" "I know." "PAM:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tinhalewhen" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tinhalewhen you take a bite of that." "you take a bite of that." "PAM:" "Oh,yeah,Iknow ." "PAM:" "Oh,yeah,Iknow ." "The powdered sugar." "The powdered sugar." "CANDIS:" "Youhavea,like ,a" "CANDIS:" "Youhavea,like ,a full sugar high." "full sugar high." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:" "Literally." "CANDIS:" "Literally." "My parents have been married for" "My parents have been married for 54 years." "54 years." "And I always thought of that as" "And I always thought of that as the goal, but then I realized, the goal, but then I realized, later, now... that can't be the later, now... that can't be the goal." "goal." "It has to be meeting the right" "It has to be meeting the right person in order to ever have person in order to ever have that goal fulfilled." "that goal fulfilled." "Are there any negatives about" "Are there any negatives about being married?" "being married?" "PAM:" "I think,manytimes," "PAM:" "I think,manytimes, when you have had a failed when you have had a failed marriage, you learn so much and marriage, you learn so much and you're a lot more tolerant the you're a lot more tolerant the next time." "next time." "You learn from those mistakes." "You learn from those mistakes." "You give each other a little" "You give each other a little wider berth... wider berth..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "PAM:...tobe yourown" "PAM:...tobe yourown  person." "person." "CAITLYN:" "A veryimportant" "CAITLYN:" "A veryimportant aspect of a long-term aspect of a long-term relationship is you have to let relationship is you have to let the other person live their the other person live their life." "life." "Now, you can enjoy everything" "Now, you can enjoy everything together, a lot of things... together, a lot of things..." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CAITLYN:...butlikePam just" "CAITLYN:...butlikePam just said, we both have things we said, we both have things we like to do and we go do them." "like to do and we go do them." "CANDIS:" "I thoughtit was" "CANDIS:" "I thoughtit was really interesting, hearing Cait really interesting, hearing Cait talk about the relationships." "talk about the relationships." "But I haven't stayed friends" "But I haven't stayed friends with any of my exes, so I don't with any of my exes, so I don't know how it's going to be with know how it's going to be with Kris." "Kris." "It's just an awkward situation." "It's just an awkward situation." "CANDIS:" "Thesewerereally" "CANDIS:" "Thesewerereally good." "good." "CAITLYN:" "Youneedasugar" "CAITLYN:" "Youneedasugar daddy." "daddy." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Are you gonna eat this or not?" "Are you gonna eat this or not?" "PAM:" "Youcanbethat ." "PAM:" "Youcanbethat ." "CANDIS:" "I 'mnot." "CANDIS:" "I 'mnot." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God." "PAM:" "Sugarmomma." "PAM:" "Sugarmomma." "CANDIS:" "Theywerereally" "CANDIS:" "Theywerereally good." "good." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "My ex-lover is coming into town." "My ex-lover is coming into town." "JENNY:" "Whathastohappento" "JENNY:" "Whathastohappento improve your relationship?" "improve your relationship?" "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "(knock at door)" "(knock at door) (cheering)" "(cheering) KRIS:" "Kimwastellingmethat" "KRIS:" "Kimwastellingmethat she had asked you a question she had asked you a question about, like, do you want to date about, like, do you want to date a guy or a girl?" "a guy or a girl?" "She told me that you said, "A" "She told me that you said, "A guy."" "People" "(bell rings) JENNY:" "God,you'vetrashed" "JENNY:" "God,you'vetrashed the place." "the place." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mtryingto figure" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mtryingto figure out what the hell do I wear?" "out what the hell do I wear?" "Put it this way, Jenny: my" "Put it this way, Jenny: my ex-lover is coming into town." "ex-lover is coming into town." "JENNY:" "Wait,is this,isthis" "JENNY:" "Wait,is this,isthis  the, uh, this is your the, uh, this is your confessional cam?" "confessional cam?" "How-how do you turn this on?" "How-how do you turn this on?" "You know how to, turn it on?" "You know how to, turn it on?" "CAITLYN:" "Wantme to showyou" "CAITLYN:" "Wantme to showyou  how to do this?" "how to do this?" "JENNY:" "Yeah,okay,'cause" "JENNY:" "Yeah,okay,'cause we're gonna do, we're gonna do we're gonna do, we're gonna do a thing." "a thing." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we 'regonnadoa" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we 'regonnadoa  thing, together?" "Oh, my God." "thing, together?" "Oh, my God." "JENNY:" "We'regonnadoa" "JENNY:" "We'regonnadoa  confessional, a confessional." "confessional, a confessional." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "There's a lot of work." "There's a lot of work." "Sit down, right here." "Sit down, right here." "JENNY:" "Allright,all right." "JENNY:" "Allright,all right." "CAITLYN:" "Yougottogetit..." "CAITLYN:" "Yougottogetit..." "'cause you got to get the 'cause you got to get the lighting good, 'cause there's no lighting good, 'cause there's no lighting." "lighting." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "Yes, I know." "Yes, I know." "I know how important it is for" "I know how important it is for you." "you." "CAITLYN:" "AsKimsays,it's" "CAITLYN:" "AsKimsays,it's  all about the lighting." "all about the lighting." "Ah, the red dot's on." "Ah, the red dot's on." "JENNY:" "Okay." "JENNY:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "It'sworking." "CAITLYN:" "It'sworking." "JENNY:" "Allright,so..." "JENNY:" "Allright,so..." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis thefirst" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis thefirst time I've ever done it with time I've ever done it with anybody." "anybody." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Holdon ." "Holdon." "CAITLYN:" "Holdon ." "Holdon." "JENNY:" "We'reherewith" "JENNY:" "We'reherewith Caitlyn Jenner." "Caitlyn Jenner." "So, Caitlyn: how are you feeling" "So, Caitlyn: how are you feeling about your ex-wife meeting your about your ex-wife meeting your new lover, Candis Cayne?" "new lover, Candis Cayne?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,what...?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,what...?" "Candis is not... she's my" "Candis is not... she's my friend." "Yeah." "friend." "Yeah." "JENNY( reportervoice):" "So I" "JENNY( reportervoice):" "So I just want to know how it feels just want to know how it feels to have your ex-wife meet you to have your ex-wife meet you new lover?" "new lover?" "(Caitlyn laughing)" "(Caitlyn laughing) CAITLYN:" "Thisis going" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis going downhill right from the downhill right from the beginning." "beginning." "JENNY:" "I 'mtryingmy best." "JENNY:" "I 'mtryingmy best." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "Idon 'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "Idon 'tknow." "I'll find out." "I'll find out." "Um... no, uh... actually, I'm" "Um... no, uh... actually, I'm looking forward to, uh, Kris looking forward to, uh, Kris coming." "coming." "JENNY:" "Andwhenwas the last" "JENNY:" "Andwhenwas the last time you-you, like, really time you-you, like, really talked?" "talked?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we really" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,we really talked?" "talked?" "JENNY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I don't..." "CAITLYN:" "I don't..." "How did that go?" "How did that go?" "KRIS:" "I wasstrugglingand" "KRIS:" "I wasstrugglingand  having a really hard time... having a really hard time..." "CAITLYN:" "Withwhat?" "CAITLYN:" "Withwhat?" "KRIS:" "Yourtransition." "KRIS:" "Yourtransition." "And this, like, leaving us in" "And this, like, leaving us in the dust." "the dust." "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'sleavingyou" "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'sleavingyou  guys in the dust." "guys in the dust." "KRIS:" "Youleftus...youleft" "KRIS:" "Youleftus...youleft us in the dust." "us in the dust." "CAITLYN:" "What...who...?" "CAITLYN:" "What...who...?" "KRIS:" "Basically,I'mjust" "KRIS:" "Basically,I'mjust saying I went through a hard saying I went through a hard time." "time." "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'sleaving" "CAITLYN:" "Nobody'sleaving anybody" " I'm not going anybody" " I'm not going anywhere." "anywhere." "KRIS:" "Youknow,itwaslike," "KRIS:" "Youknow,itwaslike,  what happened to... just... the what happened to... just... the life we had together?" "life we had together?" "It's like you don't, you just" "It's like you don't, you just threw that away." "threw that away." "CAITLYN:" "I thoughtit went" "CAITLYN:" "I thoughtit went pretty good." "pretty good." "But then, after it was over" "But then, after it was over with, I kind of... uh, I-I kind with, I kind of... uh, I-I kind of struggled with it a lot." "of struggled with it a lot." "'Cause, you know, there's a lot" "'Cause, you know, there's a lot of emotions there." "of emotions there." "JENNY:" "Well,yeah." "JENNY:" "Well,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "There's23 yearsof" "CAITLYN:" "There's23 yearsof life together." "life together." "Mmm... that's tough stuff." "Yeah." "Mmm... that's tough stuff." "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Doyou...doyoufeel" "JENNY:" "Doyou...doyoufeel a little on the, on the a little on the, on the defensive or self-conscious with defensive or self-conscious with her at all?" "her at all?" "CAITLYN:" "I alwaysfeltonthe" "CAITLYN:" "I alwaysfeltonthe defensive with her." "defensive with her." "JENNY:" "Okay,then,different" "JENNY:" "Okay,then,different question." "question." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "There's just another element" "There's just another element here that I don't quite here that I don't quite understand what she... understand what she..." "Hopefully, have some time to" "Hopefully, have some time to talk to her about it." "talk to her about it." "I-I feel sometimes, now, she" "I-I feel sometimes, now, she gets more upset than she was gets more upset than she was when we were together." "when we were together." "You know?" "You know?" "Um... uh..." "Um... uh..." "And I don't understand why." "And I don't understand why." "Because she was..." "I was very" "Because she was..." "I was very honest with her and open with honest with her and open with her." "her." "Now, sure..." "Now, sure..." "JENNY:" "Upsetabouttrans" "JENNY:" "Upsetabouttrans stuff?" "stuff?" "CAITLYN:" "About...yeah,about" "CAITLYN:" "About...yeah,about gender issues." "gender issues." "JENNY:" "IfIwas yourex-wife" "JENNY:" "IfIwas yourex-wife and I loved you, it would hurt and I loved you, it would hurt my feelings." "my feelings." "What has to happen in order to" "What has to happen in order to improve your relationship?" "improve your relationship?" "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "JENNY:" "Youknow,mostcouples" "JENNY:" "Youknow,mostcouples who get divorced, they're... who get divorced, they're..." "they're kind of done with each they're kind of done with each other." "other." "So I'm more than a little" "So I'm more than a little worried about what's going to worried about what's going to happen." "happen." "(Caitlyn sighs)" "(Caitlyn sighs) ķ ķ" "KRIS:" "Okay." "(exhales)" "(exhales) I'm here in New Orleans because" "I'm here in New Orleans because Cait has been a little MIA and" "Cait has been a little MIA and I've heard all about these" "I've heard all about these shenanigans going on, so I shenanigans going on, so I decided to come out." "decided to come out." "I'm looking forward to seeing" "I'm looking forward to seeing what the excitement is all what the excitement is all about." "about." "COURTNEY:" "Areyouexcitedfor" "COURTNEY:" "Areyouexcitedfor Kris to arrive?" "Kris to arrive?" "CAITLYN:" "Um,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Um,yeah." "As a matter of fact, she just" "As a matter of fact, she just texted me." "texted me." "She is..." "She is..." "one floor below." "one floor below." "(giggles)" "(giggles) I think I should probably go" "I think I should probably go down and just say hi." "down and just say hi." "COURTNEY:" "Ofcourseyou" "COURTNEY:" "Ofcourseyou  should." "should." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,breakthe ice ." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,breakthe ice ." "KRIS:" "I forgothowprettyNew" "KRIS:" "I forgothowprettyNew Orleans was." "Orleans was." "PRODUCER:" "Haveyouand" "PRODUCER:" "Haveyouand  Caitlyn been on good terms" "Caitlyn been on good terms recently or...?" "recently or...?" "(both laughing)" "(both laughing) KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "CAITLYN:" "A littlenervous," "CAITLYN:" "A littlenervous, a little nervous." "JENNY:" "Hangon ,so ,hi ." "Welcome once again to another" "Welcome once again to another episode of..." "I Am Jenny, episode of..." "I Am Jenny, the new spin-off show." "the new spin-off show." "KRIS:" "Whenyoutalkto" "KRIS:" "Whenyoutalkto somebody about your view, you somebody about your view, you could get a little cranky." "could get a little cranky." "No one wants to sit around and" "No one wants to sit around and listen to this (bleep)." "listen to this (bleep)." "So shut the (bleep) up and" "So shut the (bleep) up and relax." "CAITLYN:" "A littlenervous, a little nervous." "KRIS:" "Uh..." "Coming." "Coming." "Hello!" "Hello!" "Welcome to the view of the" "Welcome to the view of the whatever this is." "whatever this is." "CAITLYN:" "Yougotcandles?" "CAITLYN:" "Yougotcandles?" "Wait a second." "Wait a second." "KRIS:" "Yeah,it 's" "KRIS:" "Yeah,it 's-- CAITLYN:" "Well,hi there." "CAITLYN:" "Well,hi there." "Say hi." "Say hi." "KRIS:" "Hi,howare you ?" "KRIS:" "Hi,howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Youwentbasic" "CAITLYN:" "Youwentbasic brown" " I like that." "brown" " I like that." "KRIS:" "Areyougettingtaller?" "KRIS:" "Areyougettingtaller?" "Oh, it must be the heels." "Oh, it must be the heels." "CAITLYN:" "Well,they'renot" "CAITLYN:" "Well,they'renot  big heels, yeah." "big heels, yeah." "KRIS:" "Whereareall your" "KRIS:" "Whereareall your girlfriends?" "girlfriends?" "CAITLYN:" "We'regonnameet" "CAITLYN:" "We'regonnameet everybody tonight." "everybody tonight." "KRIS:" "Oh,okay,for dinneror" "KRIS:" "Oh,okay,for dinneror something?" "something?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,yeah,we're" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,yeah,we're gonna go to dinner and then, gonna go to dinner and then, uh... uh..." "KRIS:" "Whatdoesthatmean ?" "KRIS:" "Whatdoesthatmean ?" "What are you--?" "What are you--?" "What is this?" "What is this?" "CAITLYN:" "Partytime!" "CAITLYN:" "Partytime!" "KRIS:" "Oh,my God,doI need a" "KRIS:" "Oh,my God,doI need a nap?" "nap?" "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "KRIS:" "Forapersonwhonever" "KRIS:" "Forapersonwhonever  stayed up past 9:00?" "stayed up past 9:00?" "CAITLYN:" "I know,no ." "CAITLYN:" "I know,no ." "I, I've been doing" "I, I've been doing-- I know, I know, I know." "I know, I know, I know." "KRIS:" "Andnowyou 're,now" "KRIS:" "Andnowyou 're,now  it's party time?" "it's party time?" "CAITLYN:" "Wehavebeenonthe" "CAITLYN:" "Wehavebeenonthe road for like about a month road for like about a month right now, I-- right now, I-- KRIS:" "Wow." "KRIS:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,it 'sbeena" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,it 'sbeena long trip." "long trip." "But I'm very glad you're here." "But I'm very glad you're here." "KRIS:" "Wewereall wondering" "KRIS:" "Wewereall wondering why you were MIA, and we hadn't why you were MIA, and we hadn't heard from you in a bit, so... heard from you in a bit, so..." "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'vebeenon" "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'vebeenon the road." "the road." "KRIS:" "Somebody'sgottocome" "KRIS:" "Somebody'sgottocome  figure this out." "figure this out." "CAITLYN:" "Pleasedo ." "CAITLYN:" "Pleasedo ." "KRIS:" "I 'mgonna,um ,put" "KRIS:" "I 'mgonna,um ,put some things away." "some things away." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "KRIS:" "Andmaybetakea" "KRIS:" "Andmaybetakea catnap." "catnap." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,we 'lljust" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,we 'lljust have a quick little glass of have a quick little glass of wine, and then, uh, we'll go to wine, and then, uh, we'll go to dinner and you'll meet all the" "dinner and you'll meet all the girls-- it'll be fun." "girls-- it'll be fun." "KRIS:" "Okay,oh ,Ican 'twait!" "KRIS:" "Okay,oh ,Ican 'twait!" "What are you gonna wear, Jenner?" "What are you gonna wear, Jenner?" "I've got something for you." "I've got something for you." "KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "I can't wait." "I can't wait." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "I'll see you in a bit." "I'll see you in a bit." "KRIS:" "Allright." "KRIS:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Bye." "CAITLYN:" "Bye." "KRIS:" "Bye." "KRIS:" "Bye." "(chuckles, groans)" "(chuckles, groans) (knocking)" "(knocking) JENNY:" "Hello?" "JENNY:" "Hello?" "ELLA:" "Jenny?" "ELLA:" "Jenny?" "JENNY:" "It'stimefor Jenny" "JENNY:" "It'stimefor Jenny Boylan cam-- in you go." "Boylan cam-- in you go." "ELLA:" "Oh,oh ." "ELLA:" "Oh,oh ." "JENNY:" "Comealittlecloser," "JENNY:" "Comealittlecloser, you ready?" "you ready?" "Hang on, so, hi." "Hang on, so, hi." "Welcome to once again to another" "Welcome to once again to another episode of..." "I Am Jenny,  episode of..." "I Am Jenny, the new spin-off show." "the new spin-off show." "We're here with our, with" "We're here with our, with today's next guest." "today's next guest." "ELLA:" "Hello." "ELLA:" "Hello." "JENNY:" "Uh,Ms.EllaGiselle." "JENNY:" "Uh,Ms.EllaGiselle." "ELLA:" "Hi." "ELLA:" "Hi." "JENNY:" "So,Ella,uh, what" "JENNY:" "So,Ella,uh, what would you like to say to your, would you like to say to your, to your new, to your people?" "to your new, to your people?" "ELLA:" "Thankyoufor" "ELLA:" "Thankyoufor  supporting me." "supporting me." "(Jenny snores)" "(Jenny snores) JENNY:" "Oh,I'msorry." "JENNY:" "Oh,I'msorry." "I just dozed off there" "I just dozed off there for a second." "for a second." "What do we not know about you?" "What do we not know about you?" "ELLA:" "I surviveoffofone" "ELLA:" "I surviveoffofone drink." "drink." "Chocolate milk." "Chocolate milk." "JENNY:" "Chocolatemilk." "JENNY:" "Chocolatemilk." "What do you, how do you feel if" "What do you, how do you feel if you can't get chocolate milk?" "you can't get chocolate milk?" "What happens?" "What happens?" "ELLA:" "Um,angry." "ELLA:" "Um,angry." "JENNY:" "What'sthemostamount" "JENNY:" "What'sthemostamount of chocolate milk you've had in of chocolate milk you've had in a single day?" "a single day?" "ELLA:" "Six...probablymore." "ELLA:" "Six...probablymore." "JENNY:" "Sixglassesand ..." "JENNY:" "Sixglassesand ..." "what were you like then?" "what were you like then?" "ELLA:" "Uh..." "ELLA:" "Uh..." "Not feeling very well." "Not feeling very well." "JENNY:" "Well,youknowwhat ?" "JENNY:" "Well,youknowwhat ?" "The first step in solving the" "The first step in solving the problem is admitting that it is problem is admitting that it is a problem." "a problem." "ELLA:" "Isit aproblemthough?" "ELLA:" "Isit aproblemthough?" "JENNY:" "Well..." "JENNY:" "Well..." "That's about all the time we" "That's about all the time we have for today on I Am Ella." "have for today on I Am Ella." "ELLA:" "I amElla." "ELLA:" "I amElla." "I like this." "I like this." "Do I get, like, a deal?" "Do I get, like, a deal?" "(Jenny laughs)" "(Jenny laughs) (knocking)" "(knocking) KRIS:" "Youlooknice." "KRIS:" "Youlooknice." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thankyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,thankyou ." "I went brown." "I went brown." "KRIS:" "Yeah,well,you" "KRIS:" "Yeah,well,you  certainly did." "certainly did." "It looks good with your hair." "It looks good with your hair." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Whatis that?" "CAITLYN:" "Whatis that?" "KRIS:" "It'sacape." "KRIS:" "It'sacape." "CAITLYN:" "Cool." "CAITLYN:" "Cool." "PRODUCER:" "Arethereany plans" "PRODUCER:" "Arethereany plans to throw beads and pull our tops to throw beads and pull our tops up tonight?" "up tonight?" "Isn't that what everyone does in" "Isn't that what everyone does in New Orleans?" "New Orleans?" "KRIS:" "Pullourtopsup?" "KRIS:" "Pullourtopsup?" "Well, you can pull your top up." "Well, you can pull your top up." "Mine's staying right" "Mine's staying right where it is." "where it is." "CAITLYN:" "No,that'sokay." "CAITLYN:" "No,that'sokay." "Well, no, yours is staying" "Well, no, yours is staying where your--?" "where your--?" "KRIS:" "Yourboobsare alittle" "KRIS:" "Yourboobsare alittle fresher than mine." "fresher than mine." "CAITLYN:" "Minearestayingin" "CAITLYN:" "Minearestayingin the exactly same place, too." "the exactly same place, too." "KRIS:" "Youjustgot" "KRIS:" "Youjustgot  a boob job." "a boob job." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,maybethrow" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,maybethrow some, maybe throw some beads, some, maybe throw some beads, beads out or something, but beads out or something, but that's as far as we go." "that's as far as we go." "KRIS:" "No,yourboobsare" "KRIS:" "No,yourboobsare perky and mine aren't, yeah." "perky and mine aren't, yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Well,theyare ," "CAITLYN:" "Well,theyare , yeah, okay." "yeah, okay." "KRIS:" "Solet'sstartthere." "KRIS:" "Solet'sstartthere." "CAITLYN:" "I gothisnumber." "CAITLYN:" "I gothisnumber." "KRIS:" "Allright,yeah,well ," "KRIS:" "Allright,yeah,well , anyway." "anyway." "(indistinct chatter)" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,girls?" "KRIS:" "Hi,I'mKris." "KRIS:" "Hi,I'mKris." "How are you?" "How are you?" "CAITLYN:" "Candis." "CAITLYN:" "Candis." "BOTH:" "Niceto seeyou ." "BOTH:" "Niceto seeyou ." "KRIS:" "Boy,allthisglam" "KRIS:" "Boy,allthisglam-- I love it!" "I love it!" "I never thought an evening in" "I never thought an evening in New Orleans would turn out to be" "New Orleans would turn out to be me and a group of transgender me and a group of transgender women, but you know what, why women, but you know what, why not?" "not?" "This is so exciting." "This is so exciting." "CAITLYN:" "Theseareeverybody" "CAITLYN:" "Theseareeverybody that's been on the bus." "that's been on the bus." "Jenny?" "Jenny?" "JENNY:" "Jenny,Ilivewith my" "JENNY:" "Jenny,Ilivewith my wife Deirdre." "wife Deirdre." "We have been married for 27" "We have been married for 27 years-- 12 as husband and wife, years-- 12 as husband and wife, and 15 as wife and wife." "and 15 as wife and wife." "KRIS:" "Oh,wow,she 'sareally" "KRIS:" "Oh,wow,she 'sareally good sport." "good sport." "I like that. (laughs)" "I like that. (laughs) That's amazing." "That's amazing." "CAITLYN:" "She'sasaint..." "CAITLYN:" "She'sasaint..." "KRIS:" "She'salot betterthan" "KRIS:" "She'salot betterthan  I am." "I am." "No, I'm kidding." "No, I'm kidding." "KATE:" "I thoughtIsaw itall" "KATE:" "I thoughtIsaw itall until I met Caitlyn." "until I met Caitlyn." "(laughter)" "(laughter) My eyes have been opened." "My eyes have been opened." "CAITLYN:" "Whenyouhavean," "CAITLYN:" "Whenyouhavean, like an eight-hour bus ride, the like an eight-hour bus ride, the conversation gets very conversation gets very interesting, doesn't it?" "interesting, doesn't it?" "KRIS:" "So,if youspendthat" "KRIS:" "So,if youspendthat  much time with Caitlyn, and you much time with Caitlyn, and you guys are in a closed quarters-- guys are in a closed quarters-- what is the most annoying thing what is the most annoying thing about Caitlyn that you could" "about Caitlyn that you could possibly--?" "possibly--?" "CAITLYN:" "ThatI'ma" "CAITLYN:" "ThatI'ma Republican-- okay, let's get" "Republican-- okay, let's get over it." "over it." "KRIS:" "Yeah,politics,right?" "KRIS:" "Yeah,politics,right?" "Oh, I could relate to that." "Oh, I could relate to that." "KATE:" "Forme ,it 'snotthat" "KATE:" "Forme ,it 'snotthat you are a Republican." "you are a Republican." "It's how I experience you" "It's how I experience you expressing your Republican expressing your Republican views." "views." "JENNY:" "Exactly." "JENNY:" "Exactly." "KRIS:" "Oh,hallelujah." "KRIS:" "Oh,hallelujah." "JENNY:" "Wewenttothe" "JENNY:" "Wewenttothe Democratic debates in Iowa." "Democratic debates in Iowa." "KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "KRIS:" "Oh,boy." "CAITLYN:" "I wentandIgota" "CAITLYN:" "I wentandIgota  picture with Hillary Clinton." "picture with Hillary Clinton." "KRIS:" "That'sawesome." "KRIS:" "That'sawesome." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "KRIS:" "Howdidthatfeel ?" "KRIS:" "Howdidthatfeel ?" "CAITLYN:" "Um,howdid itfeel ?" "CAITLYN:" "Um,howdid itfeel ?" "Uh, it was good." "Uh, it was good." "She was very nice." "She was very nice." "She's a politician." "She's a politician." "KRIS:" "Yeah,Iknow,but" "KRIS:" "Yeah,Iknow,but you're not a politician, but you you're not a politician, but you think you're a politician think you're a politician sometimes, I think." "sometimes, I think." "CAITLYN:" "That,I-I-I-Ienjoy" "CAITLYN:" "That,I-I-I-Ienjoy politics." "politics." "JENNY:" "I amjustgonnasit" "JENNY:" "I amjustgonnasit back." "back." "CAITLYN:" "I-Ienjoypolitics." "CAITLYN:" "I-Ienjoypolitics." "KRIS:" "Yeah,youdo, but" "KRIS:" "Yeah,youdo, but  sometimes, sometimes when you sometimes, sometimes when you talk to somebody about your talk to somebody about your view, not everybody's gonna view, not everybody's gonna always agree." "always agree." "And sometimes, you could get a" "And sometimes, you could get a little cranky." "little cranky." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iagree,I" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iagree,I agree." "agree." "KRIS:" "Butbecauseyou 'reso," "KRIS:" "Butbecauseyou 'reso,  um... um..." "CAITLYN:" "I ,I getit ." "CAITLYN:" "I ,I getit ." "KRIS:...crazyaboutthisone" "KRIS:...crazyaboutthisone thing-- you are really crazy thing-- you are really crazy about this one thing, and no one about this one thing, and no one wants to sit around and listen" "wants to sit around and listen to this (bleep) so shut the to this (bleep) so shut the (bleep) up and relax!" "(bleep) up and relax!" "(laughter)" "(laughter) I can't wait to see you guys" "I can't wait to see you guys again." "again." "Not you, Jenner, just your" "Not you, Jenner, just your friends." "friends." "Don't get excited!" "Don't get excited!" "(all cheering)" "(all cheering) JENNY:" "Didshetellyouearly" "JENNY:" "Didshetellyouearly  on?" "on?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "KRIS:" "Therewasno" Iam" "KRIS:" "Therewasno" Iam transgender."" "transgender." CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher" "CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher  what was going on." "Jo" "KRIS:" "I justhavetoshare one story that when it got one story that when it got really crazy-- when I met Bruce, really crazy-- when I met Bruce, there was no politics ever." "there was no politics ever." "And then it just got a little" "And then it just got a little bit more... bit more..." "CAITLYN:" "They'relearningway" "CAITLYN:" "They'relearningway  too much about me." "too much about me." "KRIS:...andalittlebit" "KRIS:...andalittlebit more and a little bit more, and more and a little bit more, and over the years, someone got very over the years, someone got very upset some certain person was" "upset some certain person was president of the United States." "president of the United States." "CHANDI:" "Uh-huh?" "CHANDI:" "Uh-huh?" "KRIS:" "Andwouldwakemeup" "KRIS:" "Andwouldwakemeup  at like 5:00 in the morning so at like 5:00 in the morning so upset and realizing that I was upset and realizing that I was maybe on somebody else's side." "maybe on somebody else's side." "And, but I really, I'm kind of" "And, but I really, I'm kind of neutral." "neutral." "I just go with what I-I" "I just go with what I-I-- CAITLYN:" "You'regivingaway" "CAITLYN:" "You'regivingaway all of my secrets." "all of my secrets." "KRIS:" "I 'msorry." "KRIS:" "I 'msorry." "CANDIS:" "I loveit !" "CANDIS:" "I loveit !" "CHANDI:" "A lotof peopleare" "CHANDI:" "A lotof peopleare  having a hard time trying to having a hard time trying to figure out how Caitlyn can be a figure out how Caitlyn can be a Republican when, in most cases," "Republican when, in most cases, Republicans really don't support" "Republicans really don't support our community." "our community." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Butwe 'vehadto" "CHANDI:" "Butwe 'vehadto listen to the things that Cait listen to the things that Cait has had to say." "has had to say." "There's work in both areas that" "There's work in both areas that need to be, that need to be need to be, that need to be done." "done." "CAITLYN:" "It'san" "CAITLYN:" "It'san  educational experience." "educational experience." "KRIS:" "Butyou'reunwilling," "KRIS:" "Butyou'reunwilling, I think at times..." "I think at times..." "CHANDI:" "Yes!" "(laughs)" "CHANDI:" "Yes!" "(laughs) KRIS:...tolistento" "KRIS:...tolistento somebody else's view and meet in somebody else's view and meet in the middle." "the middle." "CAITLYN:" "No,I- -don't,don 't" "CAITLYN:" "No,I- -don't,don 't don't everybody start agreeing don't everybody start agreeing with her!" "with her!" "KATE:" "Well,partoftheissue" "KATE:" "Well,partoftheissue  has been that we outnumber has been that we outnumber Caitlyn on the bus, and we just" "Caitlyn on the bus, and we just don't want to end up bullying don't want to end up bullying her or putting her on the her or putting her on the defensive." "defensive." "KRIS:" "Takeit fromme, who" "KRIS:" "Takeit fromme, who  was one person with one person." "was one person with one person." "CAITLYN:23years." "CAITLYN:23years." "KRIS:" "Youneedthatmany" "KRIS:" "Youneedthatmany  people against that with this people against that with this subject matter." "subject matter." "Trust me, you guys are gonna be" "Trust me, you guys are gonna be just fine, but you need-- just fine, but you need-- CAITLYN:" "I thinkwe need," "CAITLYN:" "I thinkwe need, need to go to dinner." "need to go to dinner." "Is it time to go to dinner?" "Is it time to go to dinner?" "KATE:" "GodblessAmerica," "KATE:" "GodblessAmerica, let's go to dinner!" "let's go to dinner!" "CAITLYN:" "I haveto admitit" "CAITLYN:" "I haveto admitit is kind of hard to listen to all is kind of hard to listen to all these people in the room come up these people in the room come up with their notes on me-- their" "with their notes on me-- their likes and dislikes, okay?" "likes and dislikes, okay?" "I got my ex-wife and my friends" "I got my ex-wife and my friends all comparing notes." "all comparing notes." "Not easy." "Not easy." "I don't think I'm gonna come out" "I don't think I'm gonna come out of this, you know, very good." "CANDIS:" "That'sreallyniceof you to come and, like, meet all you to come and, like, meet all of us." "of us." "KRIS:" "I wantedto seewhat" "KRIS:" "I wantedto seewhat was going on out here." "was going on out here." "He was a little... she was a" "He was a little... she was a little MIA." "little MIA." "CAITLYN:" "Who?" "CAITLYN:" "Who?" "KRIS:" "You." "KRIS:" "You." "CAITLYN:" "Wheredidyou get" "CAITLYN:" "Wheredidyou get  those earrings?" "those earrings?" "I don't remember them in the old" "I don't remember them in the old days, when I used to steal your days, when I used to steal your earrings." "earrings." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) KRIS:" "TheseareCartier,and" "KRIS:" "TheseareCartier,and you would have been in big you would have been in big trouble." "trouble." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,okay." "(laughter)" "(laughter) What else is new?" "What else is new?" "I was in big trouble all the" "I was in big trouble all the time anyway." "time anyway." "KRIS:" "Youknowwhatwefound ?" "KRIS:" "Youknowwhatwefound ?" "You stole the key to my closet" "You stole the key to my closet and you hid it." "and you hid it." "CAITLYN:" "I thoughtIhid it" "CAITLYN:" "I thoughtIhid it so well." "so well." "KRIS:" "Yeah,we ..." "Ifoundit." "KRIS:" "Yeah,we ..." "Ifoundit." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "KRIS:" "Yeah,thatwas very" "KRIS:" "Yeah,thatwas very tricky, Jenner." "tricky, Jenner." "CAITLYN:" "I know,it wasgood." "CAITLYN:" "I know,it wasgood." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CAITLYN:" "Itwasgood." "CAITLYN:" "Itwasgood." "I had to steal yours, go get it" "I had to steal yours, go get it made and then... made and then..." "KRIS( laughing):" "Youhadone" "KRIS( laughing):" "Youhadone  made?" "made?" "CAITLYN:" "Hadonemade,yeah ." "CAITLYN:" "Hadonemade,yeah ." "CANDIS:" "Oh!" "CANDIS:" "Oh!" "It's nice that you guys are" "It's nice that you guys are laughing and are together as laughing and are together as friends." "friends." "It's a really good thing." "It's a really good thing." "KRIS:" "I 'mgoingto killhim" "KRIS:" "I 'mgoingto killhim  after dinner." "after dinner." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "You'll kill her." "You'll kill her." "KRIS:" "Killherafterdinner," "KRIS:" "Killherafterdinner, sorry." "sorry." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "KRIS:" "Gotto keepcorrecting" "KRIS:" "Gotto keepcorrecting me." "me." "CAITLYN:" "I certainlysaidI" "CAITLYN:" "I certainlysaidI had gender issues." "had gender issues." "KRIS:" "I didn'tknow." "KRIS:" "I didn'tknow." "Until all of this, I couldn't" "Until all of this, I couldn't have given you the definition of have given you the definition of "transgender."" ""transgender." CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing" "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing stubborn; that's fine." "(indistinct conversations) KRIS:" "I 'mgonnahavethat." "KRIS:" "I 'mgonnahavethat." "CANDIS:" "Youhaveablack" "CANDIS:" "Youhaveablack napkin?" "napkin?" "(laughs)" "(laughs) JENNY:" "Whatnapkingoesbest" "JENNY:" "Whatnapkingoesbest  with your clothes?" "with your clothes?" "CANDIS:" "Yes,of course." "CANDIS:" "Yes,of course." "JENNY:" "CandisCayne..." "JENNY:" "CandisCayne..." "(Kris laughs)" "(Kris laughs) Although I've got this unsightly" "Although I've got this unsightly white napkin." "white napkin." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) May I have a black napkin also," "May I have a black napkin also, please?" "please?" "WAITER:" "Howmanymoreblack" "WAITER:" "Howmanymoreblack napkins?" "napkins?" "JENNY:" "I thinkit 'sjustthe" "JENNY:" "I thinkit 'sjustthe  two of us." "two of us." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "That'samazing,that" "CAITLYN:" "That'samazing,that you've gotten to the point where you've gotten to the point where you want a matching napkin to you want a matching napkin to your outfit." "your outfit." "JENNY:" "Oh,yeah." "JENNY:" "Oh,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Wehavesogotten" "CAITLYN:" "Wehavesogotten you out of the woods of Maine." "you out of the woods of Maine." "JENNY:" "SoCaitlyn'sbeenout" "JENNY:" "SoCaitlyn'sbeenout for six months now... six for six months now... six months?" "months?" "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Whereareyou now as" "JENNY:" "Whereareyou now as opposed to where you were six opposed to where you were six months ago?" "months ago?" "KRIS:" "Probablymoretolerant" "KRIS:" "Probablymoretolerant and I have more acceptance and and I have more acceptance and probably understand it a little probably understand it a little bit more." "bit more." "JENNY:" "Butdidit...didyou" "JENNY:" "Butdidit...didyou take it per... take it per..." "I mean, I know, speaking from" "I mean, I know, speaking from personal experience, my wife... personal experience, my wife..." "my wife, I think, in some ways my wife, I think, in some ways took it personally when I first took it personally when I first came out." "came out." "KRIS:" "I definitelytookit" "KRIS:" "I definitelytookit personally." "personally." "JENNY:" "I thinkshefeltlike ," "JENNY:" "I thinkshefeltlike , "Wait, I wasn't enough?"" ""Wait, I wasn't enough?" KRIS:" "No,Ifeellike shewas" "KRIS:" "No,Ifeellike shewas very unhappy." "very unhappy." "Very, very unhappy for a very" "Very, very unhappy for a very long time." "long time." "CAITLYN:" "I wassurviving,but" "CAITLYN:" "I wassurviving,but  I was..." "I was..." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:...dealingwitha" "CAITLYN:...dealingwitha lot of things." "lot of things." "KRIS:" "Forever." "KRIS:" "Forever." "JENNY:" "Sowhenyou lookat" "JENNY:" "Sowhenyou lookat her, do you see Caitlyn?" "her, do you see Caitlyn?" "Or do you see the person that" "Or do you see the person that she was?" "she was?" "KRIS:" "I seegreateyebrows..." "KRIS:" "I seegreateyebrows..." "(laughter)" "(laughter) ...and high cheekbones." "...and high cheekbones." "No, I see the present." "No, I see the present." "I can't see Bruce in this, right" "I can't see Bruce in this, right now." "now." "But I have memories of that." "But I have memories of that." "CAITLYN:" "It'samillionmiles" "CAITLYN:" "It'samillionmiles away." "away." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "So I don't see that anymore." "So I don't see that anymore." "You just get used to it, it's" "You just get used to it, it's weird, you just see... weird, you just see..." "JENNY:" "Thenewnormal." "JENNY:" "Thenewnormal." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Yeah." "How old were you when you" "How old were you when you realized that you were realized that you were transgender?" "transgender?" "JENNY:" "I knewIwas trans" "JENNY:" "I knewIwas trans from a very early age." "from a very early age." "Four, five, six." "Four, five, six." "It's one of my earliest" "It's one of my earliest memories." "memories." "And I tried everything I could" "And I tried everything I could to make the boy thing work." "to make the boy thing work." "You come out when you're ready" "You come out when you're ready to come out." "to come out." "KRIS:" "So,wait,soI have a" "KRIS:" "So,wait,soI have a question, but with no question, but with no disrespect." "disrespect." "So I just really want to know" "So I just really want to know this." "this." "CHANDI:" "Howelsewillyou" "CHANDI:" "Howelsewillyou know if you don't ask?" "know if you don't ask?" "KRIS:" "No,but...soifyou're" "KRIS:" "No,but...soifyou're trans... a transgender woman... trans... a transgender woman..." "what do you do with the bits and what do you do with the bits and pieces that are below the belt?" "pieces that are below the belt?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "KRIS:" "Peoplewonder,when" "KRIS:" "Peoplewonder,when they look at somebody." "they look at somebody." "I seriously want to know." "I seriously want to know." "I mean, you know, Caitlyn..." "I mean, you know, Caitlyn..." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "KRIS:...buttheyare asking" "KRIS:...buttheyare asking the question like that." "the question like that." "Am I getting way too crazy?" "JENNY:" "Ifyouknewtenyears  ago what you know now... do you ago what you know now... do you think you would still be think you would still be married?" "married?" "CAITLYN:" "There'sonemore" "CAITLYN:" "There'sonemore thing I really need to do before thing I really need to do before she leaves: have a one-on-one she leaves: have a one-on-one conversation with her." "conversation with her." "Because I-I feel like I have a" "Because I-I feel like I have a lot to say to her." "lot to say to her." "(knocking gently)" "(knocking gently) KRIS:" "Coming." "KRIS:" "Peoplewonder,when they look at somebody and they they look at somebody and they say, okay, well, what happens say, okay, well, what happens to, like... to, like..." "I seriously want to know." "I seriously want to know." "I mean, you know, Caitlyn..." "I mean, you know, Caitlyn..." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "KRIS:...buttheyare asking" "KRIS:...buttheyare asking the question like that." "the question like that." "Am I getting way too crazy?" "Am I getting way too crazy?" "(talking over each other)" "(talking over each other) KRIS:" "I mean,I'msorry." "KRIS:" "I mean,I'msorry." "I just wondered, like, what..." "I just wondered, like, what..." "Does everybody do the same" "Does everybody do the same thing?" "thing?" "CHANDI:" "I 'llhelpyouout ." "CHANDI:" "I 'llhelpyouout ." "KATE:" "Okay." "KATE:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "You'resittingnext" "CAITLYN:" "You'resittingnext to Kate." "There you go." "to Kate." "There you go." "Listen to Kate." "Listen to Kate." "KRIS:" "Okay." "Allright." "KRIS:" "Okay." "Allright." "KATE:" "Itusedtobe" "KATE:" "Itusedtobe understood that if you have a understood that if you have a penis, you're a man." "penis, you're a man." "If you have a vulva and vagina," "If you have a vulva and vagina, you're a woman." "you're a woman." "Genitals really have very little" "Genitals really have very little to do with who you think you to do with who you think you are." "are." "KRIS:" "Inside." "KRIS:" "Inside." "KATE:" "Yeah." "KATE:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Okay." "KRIS:" "Okay." "KATE:" "So..." "KATE:" "So..." "KRIS:" "Thatmakessense." "KRIS:" "Thatmakessense." "KATE:...itreallydoesn't" "KATE:...itreallydoesn't matter what a person has down matter what a person has down there." "there." "You're still interested." "You're still interested." "KRIS:" "Itdoestome." "KRIS:" "Itdoestome." "No, I'm kidding." "No, I'm kidding." "KATE:" "Itdoestoyou, and" "KATE:" "Itdoestoyou, and because you're so close... because you're so close..." "KRIS:" "No,no ,Imean,no,but" "KRIS:" "No,no ,Imean,no,but it's the, it's the..." "I think it's the, it's the..." "I think the knee-jerk curiosity of... the knee-jerk curiosity of..." "CHANDI:" "Well,canItell you" "CHANDI:" "Well,canItell you something first?" "something first?" "KRIS:" "Yes." "KRIS:" "Yes." "CHANDI:" "Alltranspeople" "CHANDI:" "Alltranspeople don't choose to do that." "don't choose to do that." "KATE:" "Exactly." "KATE:" "Exactly." "CHANDI:" "Andthat'sthe" "CHANDI:" "Andthat'sthe  important thing for... for us to important thing for... for us to be able to share with someone be able to share with someone who is an ally." "who is an ally." "KRIS:" "Soeverypersondecides" "KRIS:" "Soeverypersondecides what's best for them." "what's best for them." "KATE:" "That'sright." "KATE:" "That'sright." "KRIS:...for..." "likea" "KRIS:...for..." "likea case-by-case." "case-by-case." "Okay, got it." "Okay, got it." "JENNY:" "Havingbeenmarried" "JENNY:" "Havingbeenmarried those 23 years... those 23 years..." "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "KRIS:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:...nowthatshe has" "JENNY:...nowthatshe has  done the presto-change-o, does done the presto-change-o, does it in any way make you question it in any way make you question yourself and who you were during yourself and who you were during that time?" "that time?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "I don't know why, but it" "I don't know why, but it doesn't." "doesn't." "JENNY:" "Shetellyou earlyon?" "JENNY:" "Shetellyou earlyon?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "KRIS:" "Shekeepssayingshe" "KRIS:" "Shekeepssayingshe told me, but she didn't." "told me, but she didn't." "(Chandi laughs)" "(Chandi laughs) I think what happened was..." "I think what happened was..." "JENNY:" "Thisis whatIwant to" "JENNY:" "Thisis whatIwant to know about." "know about." "KRIS:...aconversationina" "KRIS:...aconversationina  driveway." "driveway." "He says to me, "Do you ever want" "He says to me, "Do you ever want to have more kids?"" "to have more kids?" And I said, "Oh, God, no."" "And I said, "Oh, God, no." So he says, "Oh, neither do I." "So he says, "Oh, neither do I. That's, like, that's great." "That's, like, that's great." "And I couldn't have any more" "And I couldn't have any more kids if I wanted to."" "kids if I wanted to." And I went, "Wait." "What?"" "And I went, "Wait." "What?" And he goes, "Oh, geez, you" "And he goes, "Oh, geez, you know, back in the '80s, I messed know, back in the '80s, I messed around with this or that and it around with this or that and it kind of screwed up my sperm" "kind of screwed up my sperm count and, you know, but count and, you know, but whatever..."" "whatever..." It could've been, like, steroids" "It could've been, like, steroids for all I knew, 'cause he was an for all I knew, 'cause he was an athlete." "athlete." "Never said estrogen, never" "Never said estrogen, never said... said..." "He just said, "I took some" "He just said, "I took some (bleep) in the '80s..."" "(bleep) in the '80s..." JENNY:" Some( bleep)"?" "JENNY:" Some( bleep)"?" "KRIS:" "I mean,whateverword." "KRIS:" "I mean,whateverword." "There was no "I am transgender."" "There was no "I am transgender." It was "I took some stuff in the" "It was "I took some stuff in the '80s and my sperm isn't good."" "'80s and my sperm isn't good." CAITLYN:" "I saidIhad a" "CAITLYN:" "I saidIhad a condition that I had been condition that I had been dealing with forever." "dealing with forever." "I said that I was on hormones" "I said that I was on hormones and that's the reason it might and that's the reason it might be tough to get pregnant." "be tough to get pregnant." "KRIS:" "Andmy friendssaid," "KRIS:" "Andmy friendssaid, "Have a bottle of wine and go" ""Have a bottle of wine and go have great sex."" "have great sex." And we did, and we had Kendall." "And we did, and we had Kendall." "And then a minute later, we had" "And then a minute later, we had Kylie." "Kylie." "But none of that was "I want to" "But none of that was "I want to be a woman."" "be a woman." CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher" "CAITLYN:" "I certainlytoldher  what was going on." "what was going on." "My version of what happened at" "My version of what happened at the beginning is obviously very the beginning is obviously very different than her version." "different than her version." "I certainly said I had gender" "I certainly said I had gender issues and that I was on issues and that I was on hormones and, you know, I had hormones and, you know, I had boobs and, you know, the whole" "boobs and, you know, the whole thing." "thing." "KRIS:" "Youdidn'thaveboobs." "KRIS:" "Youdidn'thaveboobs." "I didn't know until all of this." "I didn't know until all of this." "I couldn't have given you the" "I couldn't have given you the definition of "transgender"... definition of "transgender"..." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "KRIS:...untilsixmonths" "KRIS:...untilsixmonths ago." "ago." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "CAITLYN:" "Letme finish." "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing" "KRIS:" "Okay,you'rebeing stubborn." "That's fine." "stubborn." "That's fine." "JENNY:" "I don'tknowthatKris" "JENNY:" "I don'tknowthatKris  and Caitlyn have ever really had and Caitlyn have ever really had this conversation." "this conversation." "It may be that Caitlyn really" "It may be that Caitlyn really did tell Kris and Kris just did tell Kris and Kris just didn't want to hear it." "didn't want to hear it." "It might also be that Caitlyn" "It might also be that Caitlyn didn't say anything." "didn't say anything." "I-I've seen Caitlyn do this." "I-I've seen Caitlyn do this." "She says, like, one little" "She says, like, one little thing, and then it's like, "Oh, thing, and then it's like, "Oh, we're all done!" "we're all done!" "There." "Thank goodness that's all" "There." "Thank goodness that's all over and now we can go do over and now we can go do something else."" "something else." I think I spilled the beans with" "I think I spilled the beans with my wife a half a dozen times." "my wife a half a dozen times." "We had the big talk." "We had the big talk." "And the very next time we talked" "And the very next time we talked about it, she was like, "What?"" "about it, she was like, "What?" And then, you know, a little" "And then, you know, a little while would go by and I would... while would go by and I would..." "the next time would come around the next time would come around and I'd say, "Remember when I and I'd say, "Remember when I was talking about the whole was talking about the whole transgender thing?"" "transgender thing?" And she was like, "The what?"" "And she was like, "The what?" Maybe we're not being clear." "Maybe we're not being clear." "Maybe we're just kind of" "Maybe we're just kind of mumbling in a kind of a... mumbling in a kind of a..." "(mumbles)" "(mumbles) KRIS:" "Maybeyou'redoingit" "KRIS:" "Maybeyou'redoingit in your sleep or something." "in your sleep or something." "JENNY:" "Butourlovedones" "JENNY:" "Butourlovedones  also, to be fair, don't want to also, to be fair, don't want to hear it." "hear it." "KRIS:" "Well,Ithinkwith" "KRIS:" "Well,Ithinkwith  Caitlyn, I kept saying, "Why are" "Caitlyn, I kept saying, "Why are you so... unhappy?" "you so... unhappy?" "Like, what's going on?"" "Like, what's going on?" I would sit you down on the" "I would sit you down on the couch in the bedroom and go, couch in the bedroom and go, "Tell me what's wrong." ""Tell me what's wrong." "There's something really wrong." "There's something really wrong." "I can handle it." "I can handle it." "Just tell me." "Just please tell" "Just tell me." "Just please tell me."" "me." And she would say, "You wouldn't" "And she would say, "You wouldn't understand." "understand." "You just won't... you just" "You just won't... you just wouldn't under..."" "wouldn't under..." "Well, try me."" ""Well, try me." "No, you're just not that kind" ""No, you're just not that kind of a person."" "of a person." You know." "So it was this back" "You know." "So it was this back and forth for a long time." "and forth for a long time." "JENNY:" "Youhavetwo people" "JENNY:" "Youhavetwo people who are not communicating on, who are not communicating on, oddly... (stammers) and oddly... (stammers) and tragically, what's actually the tragically, what's actually the most important thing in their" "most important thing in their lives." "lives." "The reason I didn't tell my wife" "The reason I didn't tell my wife before we got married was before we got married was because I wanted to protect the because I wanted to protect the people that I loved." "people that I loved." "I didn't want to cause harm to" "I didn't want to cause harm to the people that I loved." "the people that I loved." "I didn't want to be a source of" "I didn't want to be a source of trouble." "trouble." "I wanted to protect them." "I wanted to protect them." "I wanted to stand between them" "I wanted to stand between them and the trouble of the world." "and the trouble of the world." "CAITLYN:" "Andthat'sexactly" "CAITLYN:" "Andthat'sexactly where I was." "where I was." "KRIS:" "Protectingeverybody," "KRIS:" "Protectingeverybody, yeah." "yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I neverwantedto" "CAITLYN:" "I neverwantedto hurt anybody." "hurt anybody." "JENNY:" "Ifyouknewtenyears" "JENNY:" "Ifyouknewtenyears  ago what you know now, do you ago what you know now, do you think you would still be think you would still be married?" "married?" "KRIS:" "I don'tknow." "KRIS:" "I don'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "Ooh,goodquestion." "CAITLYN:" "Ooh,goodquestion." "KRIS:" "That'sareallygood" "KRIS:" "That'sareallygood  question." "question." "MAN:" "Ma'am,yourentre." "MAN:" "Ma'am,yourentre." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "KRIS:" "I probablywouldhave" "KRIS:" "I probablywouldhave turned into the world's greatest turned into the world's greatest best friend." "best friend." "JENNY:" "Isit toolateforyou" "JENNY:" "Isit toolateforyou to be the world's best friend?" "to be the world's best friend?" "KRIS:" "No." "Never." "KRIS:" "No." "Never." "JENNY:" "Good." "JENNY:" "Good." "The bottom line for Kris and" "The bottom line for Kris and Caitlyn to be able to move" "Caitlyn to be able to move forward is forgiveness, and forward is forgiveness, and forgiveness is no small thing." "forgiveness is no small thing." "It's clear to me, even now, they" "It's clear to me, even now, they have a relationship that goes have a relationship that goes very deep." "very deep." "It sure feels to me like they" "It sure feels to me like they are going to be part of each are going to be part of each other's lives for the long term, other's lives for the long term, but they each have work to do if" "but they each have work to do if that's gonna be true." "that's gonna be true." "CANDIS:" "You'vedecidedto" "CANDIS:" "You'vedecidedto change your life to-to truly change your life to-to truly honor who you are as a human honor who you are as a human being, and have your kids stand being, and have your kids stand by your side, and have your" "by your side, and have your ex-wife-- which is super rare-- ex-wife-- which is super rare-- to be here... to be here..." "JENNY:" "It'samazing." "JENNY:" "It'samazing." "CANDIS:...butwithall us," "CANDIS:...butwithall us,  your girlfriends, so I think we your girlfriends, so I think we all have to do a toast." "all have to do a toast." "CHANDI:" "Weshould." "CHANDI:" "Weshould." "KRIS:" "Oh!" "KRIS:" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,great." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,great." "JENNY:" "Let'sdo it to Kris" "JENNY:" "Let'sdo it to Kris Jenner." "Jenner." "CANDIS:" "ToCaitlyn." "CANDIS:" "ToCaitlyn." "KRIS:" "Caitlyn." "KRIS:" "Caitlyn." "CANDIS:" "Andto Kris." "CANDIS:" "Andto Kris." "KRIS:" "Oh,no ,no ,no ." "KRIS:" "Oh,no ,no ,no ." "KATE:" "Andto Kris." "KATE:" "Andto Kris." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Thanks,guys." "KRIS:" "Thanks,guys." "CHANDI:" "Tothenew normal." "CHANDI:" "Tothenew normal." "CANDIS:" "Tothemodernfamily." "CANDIS:" "Tothemodernfamily." "PAM:" "Cheers." "PAM:" "Cheers." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "Ilovethat ." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "Ilovethat ." "(crowd chatter)" "(crowd chatter) MAN:" "Goodevening,ladies." "MAN:" "Goodevening,ladies." "CANDIS:" "Goodevening." "CANDIS:" "Goodevening." "CAITLYN:" "Wearedoingitin" "CAITLYN:" "Wearedoingitin  New Orleans." "New Orleans." "This is Bourbon Street, baby." "This is Bourbon Street, baby." "ķ ķ ķ ķ COURTNEY:" "Thisis Bourbon?" "COURTNEY:" "Thisis Bourbon?" "KIP:" "Yeah." "KIP:" "Yeah." "COURTNEY:" "I 'veneverbeen" "COURTNEY:" "I 'veneverbeen here." "I love it!" "here." "I love it!" "CAITLYN:" "Doesn'thelp,ifyou" "CAITLYN:" "Doesn'thelp,ifyou try to stay inconspicuous, with try to stay inconspicuous, with a camera." "a camera." "They're everywhere." "They're everywhere." "CANDIS:" "Oh,buttheycan't" "CANDIS:" "Oh,buttheycan't see your face so that's good." "see your face so that's good." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "ķ ķ ķ ķ (crowd chatter)" "(crowd chatter) ķ ķ" "KIP:" "Theywouldmakeareally hot lesbian couple." "hot lesbian couple." "CANDIS:" "Theywould." "(song ends) (applause and cheering)" "(applause and cheering) CANDIS:" "Chandi!" "CANDIS:" "Chandi!" "COURTNEY:" "Jennyis up there," "COURTNEY:" "Jennyis up there, too." "too." "ķ ķ" "CHANDI:" "Neverin amillion years would I think going out on years would I think going out on the dance floor to dance with the dance floor to dance with Jenny Boylan." "Jenny Boylan." "That's being checked off my" "That's being checked off my bucket list." "bucket list." "Jenny Boylan was feeling" "Jenny Boylan was feeling herself." "herself." "Oh, she was feeling herself." "Oh, she was feeling herself." "(crowd chatter)" "(crowd chatter) ķ ķ" "KRIS:" "I 'msohappythatyou guys are a great group of guys are a great group of girls." "girls." "Really cool." "Really cool." "I'm glad I came and I got to see" "I'm glad I came and I got to see and meet you guys." "and meet you guys." "It's so awesome." "It's so awesome." "CANDIS:" "I 'mgladyoucame." "CANDIS:" "I 'mgladyoucame." "It means a lot to us and to" "It means a lot to us and to Caitlyn." "Caitlyn." "KRIS:" "Oh." "KRIS:" "Oh." "CANDIS:" "I knowshedoesn't" "CANDIS:" "I knowshedoesn't say it sometimes, but, um, I say it sometimes, but, um, I know you mean the world to her." "know you mean the world to her." "KRIS:" "I 'mgladshehas all" "KRIS:" "I 'mgladshehas all  you guys as her friends." "you guys as her friends." "Honest to God, it means so much." "Honest to God, it means so much." "ķ ķ ķ ķ KRIS:" "WhatI'vewitnessed" "KRIS:" "WhatI'vewitnessed here tonight firsthand, I never here tonight firsthand, I never would have imagined that she would have imagined that she could experience this kind of could experience this kind of friendship and happiness." "friendship and happiness." "And I think that that's what" "And I think that that's what it..." "life is all about." "it..." "life is all about." "Life is really short, and I" "Life is really short, and I think that you have to go out think that you have to go out and grab your true purpose, and and grab your true purpose, and I think that she's well on her" "I think that she's well on her way." "way." "Cheers!" "Cheers!" "CANDIS:" "Cheers!" "CANDIS:" "Cheers!" "Great to meet you!" "Great to meet you!" "KRIS:" "Greatnight." "You ,too ." "CANDIS:" "Wehavebeadsto throw." "throw." "COURTNEY:" "Justkeepyour" "COURTNEY:" "Justkeepyour shirt on." "shirt on." "CAITLYN:" "Mypeople!" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Mypeople!" "Oh!" "(whooping)" "(whooping) KRIS:" "Oh,yougot it, baby." "KRIS:" "Oh,yougot it, baby." "(whooping)" "(whooping) KIP:" "Yes!" "KIP:" "Yes!" "(whooping and hooting)" "(whooping and hooting) KRIS:" "Yeah!" "KRIS:" "Yeah!" "Kim was telling me that she had" "Kim was telling me that she had asked you a question about, asked you a question about, like, do you want to date a guy like, do you want to date a guy or a girl." "or a girl." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow." "That's..." "That's..." "Right now, I'm just trying to" "Right now, I'm just trying to figure myself out." "figure myself out." "KRIS:" "Shetoldmethat you" "KRIS:" "Shetoldmethat you said, "a guy."" "said, "a guy." MAN:" "KrisJenner!" "MAN:" "KrisJenner!" "CAITLYN:" "IfI...ifI went" "CAITLYN:" "IfI...ifI went  through with my final surgery through with my final surgery and all of that." "and all of that." "KRIS:" "What?" "KRIS:" "What?" "MAN:" "Yo,Kris!" "MAN:" "Yo,Kris!" "KRIS:" "Aah!" "KRIS:" "Aah!" "CAITLYN:" "Hit'em." "CAITLYN:" "Hit'em." "I wouldn't date a guy with..." "I wouldn't date a guy with..." "MAN:" "Yo,Kris!" "MAN:" "Yo,Kris!" "KRIS:" "Really?" "KRIS:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "KRIS:" "Youcangooutfora" "KRIS:" "Youcangooutfora drink." "drink." "You don't have to have sex." "You don't have to have sex." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "All the way to there." "All the way to there." "Here we go." "Here we go." "(whooping)" "(whooping) I'm not even worrying about" "I'm not even worrying about that." "that." "(whooping)" "(whooping) Hey!" "Hey!" "KRIS:" "Letme justsay ,life" "KRIS:" "Letme justsay ,life is very short, and you better is very short, and you better figure it out really fast." "figure it out really fast." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,well,you know," "CAITLYN:" "Oh,well,you know, I agree with that." "I agree with that." "Here we go way back there." "Here we go way back there." "MAN:" "Oh." "(crowd chatter)" "(whooping) (indistinct chatter)" "MAN:" "Bruce,go straight." "Bruce, go straight." "Bruce, go straight." "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) CAITLYN:" "Whatdidhesay?" "CAITLYN:" "Whatdidhesay?" "JENNY:" "Hesaid,"Bruce,go" "JENNY:" "Hesaid,"Bruce,go straight."" "straight." CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "JENNY:" "I thinkthatship" "JENNY:" "I thinkthatship sailed." "sailed." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CANDIS:" "Thatwassomuch fun." "CANDIS:" "Thatwassomuch fun." "KRIS:" "Youlookreally" "KRIS:" "Youlookreally beautiful." "beautiful." "CAITLYN:" "Itis absolutely" "CAITLYN:" "Itis absolutely amazing what a blow-dry will do." "amazing what a blow-dry will do." "JENNY:" "A blowwhat?" "JENNY:" "A blowwhat?" "CAITLYN:" "A blowdry,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "A blowdry,yeah." "JENNY:" "Dry." "Blowdry ." "JENNY:" "Dry." "Blowdry ." "CAITLYN:" "A blowout." "CAITLYN:" "A blowout." "KIP:" "Uh-oh." "KIP:" "Uh-oh." "CAITLYN:" "A blowoutwilldo." "CAITLYN:" "A blowoutwilldo." "COURTNEY:" "Blowjob." "COURTNEY:" "Blowjob." "CAITLYN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No." "CANDIS:" "Thisis averyDoctor" "CANDIS:" "Thisis averyDoctor Zhivago jacket." "Zhivago jacket." "JENNY:" "That'sthecoolest" "JENNY:" "That'sthecoolest jacket." "jacket." "CHANDI:" "Tens,tens,tens." "CHANDI:" "Tens,tens,tens." "You've gotten tens across the" "You've gotten tens across the board, Kris Jenner." "Ten." "board, Kris Jenner." "Ten." "KRIS:" "Tens,tens,tens." "KRIS:" "Tens,tens,tens." "Good tens." "Good tens." "You guys have all gotten a" "You guys have all gotten a major ten from me." "major ten from me." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness." "KRIS:" "You'reallso" "KRIS:" "You'reallso delicious." "delicious." "CANDIS:" "Oh,thankyou ." "CANDIS:" "Oh,thankyou ." "CHANDI:" "Oh." "We loveitfrom" "CHANDI:" "Oh." "We loveitfrom  you." "you." "KRIS:" "Prettyfab." "KRIS:" "Prettyfab." "JENNY:" "Delicious." "JENNY:" "Delicious." "KRIS:" "Reallyprettyfab ," "KRIS:" "Reallyprettyfab , honest to God." "honest to God." "I can't wait to see you guys" "I can't wait to see you guys again." "again." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "KRIS:" "I meanthat." "KRIS:" "I meanthat." "Not you, Jenner." "Not you, Jenner." "Just your friends." "Just your friends." "(laughter)" "(laughter) JENNY:" "We'regoingrightnow." "JENNY:" "We'regoingrightnow." "CAITLYN:" "Mmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mmm." "(cheering)" "CAITLYN:" "Littleredlight's on." "on." "(sighs)" "(sighs) That... was a crazy night." "That... was a crazy night." "Honestly, I feel good about it." "Honestly, I feel good about it." "I'm glad Kris had such a good" "I'm glad Kris had such a good time with all the girls." "time with all the girls." "Um, there certainly was a little" "Um, there certainly was a little tension." "tension." "But I really feel like there's" "But I really feel like there's one more thing I really need to one more thing I really need to do, and that is... before she do, and that is... before she leaves, have a one-on-one" "leaves, have a one-on-one conversation with her, uh, conversation with her, uh, because I feel like I have a lot because I feel like I have a lot to say to her." "to say to her." "(insects trilling)" "CAITLYN:" "There'sreallyalot I want to get off my chest with" "I want to get off my chest with Kris." "Kris." "The girls have taught me a lot" "The girls have taught me a lot on this trip about being more on this trip about being more kinder, gentler, softer kinder, gentler, softer approach." "approach." "I just hope I don't... kind of" "I just hope I don't... kind of resort to the old habits, uh, of resort to the old habits, uh, of being defensive and loud." "being defensive and loud." "I've got a lot to say, and I'm" "I've got a lot to say, and I'm afraid if I don't have it now, afraid if I don't have it now, um, I'll probably never have the um, I'll probably never have the conversation." "conversation." "KRIS:" "Coming." "KRIS:" "Youchangedyourbirth certificate?" "certificate?" "Does this mean that you didn't" "Does this mean that you didn't exist?" "exist?" "JENNY:" "I 'veneverregretted" "JENNY:" "I 'veneverregretted having surgery for one day, not having surgery for one day, not one hour, never." "one hour, never." "CAITLYN:" "Rightnow,I'm-I'm" "CAITLYN:" "Rightnow,I'm-I'm not interested in doing not interested in doing something like that." "something like that." "JENNY:" "I don'tbelieveit." "JENNY:" "I don'tbelieveit." "I know she's thinking about it." "I know she's thinking about it." "WOMAN:" "Inan independent" "WOMAN:" "Inan independent adoption, you're gonna have to adoption, you're gonna have to disclose that you're disclose that you're transgender." "transgender." "You've got to be matched with a" "You've got to be matched with a birth mother that says I want my birth mother that says I want my child raised by you." "child raised by you." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "Captioningsponsoredby" "Captioningsponsoredby  BUNIM-MURRAY PRODUCTIONS"