"Subtitles downloaded from Podnapisi.NET" "Tony Brooks:" "CAMERAS ARE ROLLING ON EVERY WORD AND MOVEMENT" "OF THE West Memphis MURDER TRIALS" "AS REPORTERS SCURRY TO GET THE STORY." "BUT AS DEIRDRE KOON REPORTS," "THE CREW BEHIND ONE CAMERA IS NOT CHASING A STORY." "THEY'RE CREATING A COMMENT ON SOCIETY." "Deirdre Koon:" "THIS IS THE SCENE AT THE CORNING COURTHOUSE" "THE DEFENSE, THE PROSECUTION, AND THIS FILM CREW" "GETTING READY FOR THE DAY AHEAD." "THESE NEW YORK FILMMAKERS SPENT THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS" "GETTING TO KNOW Intimately THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE CASE." "THE FILMMAKERS ARE considering CALLING THE DOCUMENTARY" ""PARADISE LOST." THEY EXPECT IT TO AIR ON HBO IN ABOUT A YEAR." "Woman:" "IS IT FAIR TO SAY" "THAT FOLLOWING THE HBO DOCUMENTARIES," " THE "PARADISE LOST" DOCUMENTARIES ..." " YES." " ..." "THERE BECAME SORT OF A PUBLIC" " THAT'S" "LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION, I'M SORRY" "THERE BECAME SORT OF A PUBLIC DEBATE" "OR CONTROVERSY ABOUT Whether THE West Memphis Three" " HAD BEEN Wrongfully CONVICTED?" " YES." "AND THAT PUBLIC CONTROVERSY" "AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION" "THAT IT WAS Caused BY THE DOCUMENTARIES," "BUT THAT PUBLIC CONTROVERSY" "REALLY DID EXPAND TO BE A NATIONAL CONTROVERSY?" "RIGHT." "IT'S ALMOST A CAUSE." "Mark Byers:" "LAST TIME WE SAW THEM," "THE THREE BOYS WERE RIDING BIKES TOGETHER," "AND THEY HEADED DOWN TOWARDS A Wooded AREA AT THE END OF THE STREET," "WHICH WAS ABOUT 6:30 YESTERDAY EVENING." "AND THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THE HOUSE BEFORE DARK." "NONE OF THE THREE HAVE EVER BEEN MISSING" "OR TAKEN OFF EVER BEFORE." "Male reporter:" "WHAT'S GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND AS A PARENT?" "I'M SCARED TO DEATH." "THAT'S, YOU KNOW, Plain and simple." "I'M SCARED FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF ALL THREE BOYS" "AND WOULD Appreciate ANY HELP THAT ANYONE WOULD GIVE US" "IN RECOVERING OUR THREE SONS." "* WELCOME TO WHERE TIME STANDS STILL *" "* NO ONE LEAVES AND NO ONE WILL ... *" "GREEN ONE ON THE SIDE THERE LEFT," "RED ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE." "* DREAM THE SAME THING EVERYNIGHT *" "* I SEE OUR FREEDOM IN MY SIGHTS ... *" "Man over radio:" "Do not let nobody Come up here." "Do not let nobody in here." "* MY BRAIN SEEM SCARRED *" "* SLEEP, MY FRIEND, AND YOU WILL SEE *" "* THE DREAM IS MY REALITY *" "* THEY KEEP ME LOCKED UP IN THIS CAGE *" "* CAN NOT THEY SEE IT'S WHY MY BRAIN SAYS *" "* "RAGE"?" "* SANITARIUM" "* LEAVE ME BE" "* SANITARIUM" "* JUST LEAVE ME ALONE ..." "(Wailing)" "* BUILD MY FEAR OF WHAT'S OUT THERE *" "* CAN NOT BREATHE THE OPEN AIR ... *" "Jenna Newton:" "WEST MEMPHIS INVESTIGATORS" "CONTINUE TO TRACK DOWN LEADS IN THE CASE," "BUT THEY STILL HAVE NO SUSPECTS." "WE'VE GOT 28.000 to 30.000 PEOPLE IN WEST MEMPHIS." "AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, Everybody's A SUSPECT." "Diana Davis:" "INSTEAD OF LETTING THEIR KIDS WALK HOME FROM SCHOOL," "PARENTS STARTED PICKING UP THEM." "Jenna Newton:" "AND IN THIS MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD," "PEOPLE WONDER WHY NO ONE HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR THE MURDERS." "Diana Davis:" "THE REWARD FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO THE CONVICTION" "OF THE KILLER OR KILLERS HAS skyrocketed" "AND IS NOW AT $ 25,000." "ALL OF WEST MEMPHIS" "ALL OF WEST MEMPHIS IS JUST TORN UP." "(Child crying)" "GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE VAN." "Male reporter:" "PEOPLE IN WEST MEMPHIS GATHERED IN CHURCH TODAY" "TO COUNT THEIR BLESSINGS" "AFTER AN EMOTIONAL WEEK CAPPED BY THE arrest." "FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, THE SAVAGE MURDERS" "OF STEVE BRANCH, CHRIS BYERS, AND MICHAEL MOORE" "HAD nagged PEOPLE'S CONSCIENCE." "Jenna Newton:" "AT A PRESS CONFERENCE, INSPECTOR SAID GARY GITCHELL" "THE CASE AGAINST THE ACCUSED TEENS IS VERY STRONG." "Man:" "ON THE SCALE FROM ONE TO 10, HOW SOLID DO YOU THINK THE CASE IS?" "11th" "(Laughter, applause)" "JESSIE misskelley, DAMIEN ECHOLS, AND JASON BALDWIN" "ARE NOW CONVICTED KILLERS." "Judge Burnett:" "Do you have any LEGAL REASON" "TO SHOW THE COURT OR GIVE THE COURT AT THIS TIME" "AS TO WHY SENTENCE Should not be imposed?" " BECAUSE I'M INNOCENT." " PARDON?" "BECAUSE I'M INNOCENT." "(Crossing bells ringing)" "MICHAEL WAS KIND OF LIKE" "KIND OF LIKE Bart Simpson." "HE HAD A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR." "HE COULD MAKE YOU LAUGH NO MATTER HOW DEPRESSED YOU WHAT," "NO MATTER HOW BAD THINGS WERE GOING." "HE ALWAYS WANTED EVERYBODY BE IN A MOOD TO GOOD." "AND HE COULD MAKE HE-- ANYBODY LAUGH." "HE'D COME UP WITH THE THINGS silliest." "I DAMN SURE MISS HIM." "Terry Hobbs:" "STEVIE WHAT A FINE BOY." "HE WAS." "WE GAVE HIM A NICE HOME, We felt like." "AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAD" "THAT this" " YOU KNOW, THIS HAS HAPPENED." "WE'RE SAD THAT HE'S GONE." "I ALWAYS SAID THAT CHRISTOPHER WHAT A GIFT," "THAT WAS CHRISTOPHER MY GIFT." "I HAVE ASKED GOD "WHY?" YOU KNOW?" ""IF YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE HIM," "WHY DID NOT YOU TAKE HIM WHEN HE WAS TINY? "" "YOU KNOW?" ""WHY DID IT--?" YOU KNOW," ""WHY DID YOU LET ME LOVE HIM FOR EIGHT YEARS? "" "DAMIEN ECHOLS, JASON BALDWIN," "JESSIE misskelley JR.," "I HOPE YOU ALL BURN IN HELL" "AND ARE TORMENTED FOR ETERNITY AND A DAY." "I COULD NOT EVER PUT INTO WORDS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU." "Damien Echols:" "I KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY OR DO," "THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE PEOPLE" "WHO WILL NOT BELIEVE IT, No Matter What." "BUT I did not" "KILL THOSE CHILDREN OR ANYBODY ELSE." "I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT," "AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT." "Jason Baldwin:" "If I Could TALK TO THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS RIGHT NOW," "WERE LED TO BELIEVE THEY BY THE POLICE THAT WE'D DONE IT," "AND SO I UNDERSTAND IF THEY HATE US," "YOU KNOW, HATE ME." "BUT I DID NOT DO IT, YOU KNOW?" "I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT." "AND I'M SORRY THAT YOUR KIDS ARE DEAD." "I'M SORRY About That." "BUT ALL I ASK IS" "THAT GO BACK Y'ALL AND LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE." "JUST STOP JUST-- AND THINK" "AND DO NOT LET YOUR EMOTIONS ABOUT IT ALL" "GET TO YOUR HEAD" "AND JUST STOP AND THINK AND LOOK BACK AT THE EVIDENCE." "AND LOOK WHERE THE EVIDENCE DOES POINT." "AND ASK YOURSELF," ""NOW WHO do you think REALLY DONE IT? "" "Jessie Misskelley:" "THEY KNOW THEY GOT THAT THREE INNOCENT PEOPLE" "LOCKED UP FOR A CRIME They did not commit." "I DID NOT KILL NOBODY." "BUT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I THINK IT'S WRONG," "BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT ABOUT US." "IT'S ABOUT THE VICTIMS theirselves, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?" "THEY NEED PEACE." "THE VICTIM'S FAMILY NEEDS PEACE." "AND I THINK THE POLICE Owes THAT TO 'EM." "THE FACTS OF THE CRIME SCENE ARE ACTUALLY" "A PRETTY INTERESTING PART OF THE CASE," "BECAUSE THIS CRIME" "TOOK PLACE IN A Wooded Area." "IT WAS NEAR TWO MAJOR FREEWAYS." "IT HAPPENED RIGHT NEAR A TRUCK STOP," "WHICH IS NOW CLOSED." "BUT IT WAS A MAJOR Truckstop." "PEOPLE WOULD BE IN and Out OF THAT TRUCK STOP 24 hours a day." "IT WAS OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY." "AND IT ALSO adjoined" "A 24-HOUR-A-DAY TRUCK WASH PLACE." "SO THERE WAS THERE what-- TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA." "Don Horgan:" "THERE WAS SO MUCH HYSTERIA" "AROUND THE NATURE OF THE CRIMES." "THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR IN THE COMMUNITY." "NATURALLY AND THERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE" "ON THE POLICE TO FIND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE." "BUT AS DAYS GO BY, THERE ISN'T" "THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT Obviously POINT" "TO ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, AGAIN," "BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEFT AT THE SCENE." "AT ABOUT 6:00 On May the 5th," "CHRIS BYERS, STEVIE BRANCH, AND MICHAEL MOORE" "WERE LAST SEEN HEADED TOWARD ROBIN HOOD HILLS." "Mike Allen:" "THE PIPE CROSSES 10-MILE BAYOU." "THIS IS THE TRAIL THAT GOES ACROSS THE AREA" "WHICH IS KNOWN AS TURTLE HILL." "THE TRAIL WILL EITHER SPLIT AND GO THAT WAY," "WHICH LEADS INTO THE AREA OF THE CRIME SCENE," "WHICH LAYS RIGHT IN THISAREA," "OR THE TRAIL CONTINUES Straightforward" "AND GOES INTO THE BACK END OF BLUE BEACON." "I WAS DIRECTED BY AN OFFICER Thatthey HAD" "HAD FOUND A TENNIS SHOE" "FLOATING IN A DITCH." "I HAD TO GO DOWN TO CROSS" "TO GET ON THE OTHER SIDE TO GET CLOSER" "AND FELL INTO THE WATER HERE" "AND CAME UP THE BANK" "And around, OVER TO THE AREA" "WHERE THE TENNIS SHOE WAS." "I WALKED AROUND A TREE" "AND STEPPED OFF INTO THE WATER" "AND WHAT ARE REACHING FOR THE TENNIS SHOE." "AND WITH MY FEET I COULD FEEL" "AN OBJECT." "AND I RAISED UP" "AND I DISCOVERED THIS BODY." "John Fogleman:" "DETECTIVE RIDGE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU'D INDICATED EARLIER" "SOMETHING ABOUT A STICK IN THE WATER STUCK IN THE WATER?" " YES, SIR." " TELL ME ABOUT THAT AGAIN." "Ridge:" "There Was A STICK IN THE WATER" "THAT HAD A SHIRT AROUND THE END OF IT," "AND THAT WHAT SHIRT Jobbed DOWN INTO THE MUD WITH THE STICK." "EXHIBIT NUMBER 22nd" "YOU KNOW, THE LIGATURE-- THE WAY THAT MICHAEL MOORE WHAT ARE TIED" "AND STEVIE BRANCH WAS Tied with ligatures," "RIGHT HAND TO RIGHT FOOT, HAND TO LEFT FOOT LEFT." "AND CHRISTOPHER'S BYERS PENIS HAD BEEN REMOVED." "I FOUND HIM TIED AS THE OTHER VICTIMS HAD BEEN TIED." "Man:" "WHAT ARE THERE ANY VISIBLE BLOOD FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE?" "ANY VISIBLE BLOOD?" "NOT ON THE GROUND." "IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE CRIME SCENE" "AND THE CONDITION OF THE BODIES AND SO FORTH," "IT'S ALMOST A BLANK CRIME SCENE." "THE BODIES ARE CONCEALED, AND THEN THEY'RE BROUGHT UP," "AND THE KIDS ARE hogtied WITH SHOELACES," "AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BLOOD AT THE SCENE." "SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PROJECTION SCREEN" "ON WHICH YOU CAN CREATE ANY KIND OF THEORY" "ABOUT HOW AND WHY THE CRIME WAS DONE." "WELL, RIGHT downhere WOULD BE THE HOUSE, 1400 EAST BARTON." "IT MAKES YOU THINK OF CHILD WHAT LIFE MIGHT HAVE BEEN" "IF THIS CRIME HAD NOT HAVE HAPPENED." "FEARS OF SATANIC CULTS CRITTENDEN COUNTY IN" "REACHED THEIR LAST WEEK PEAK WHEN THE TEENAGERS WERE ARRESTED." "Male reporter:" "NAMES OF SEVERAL SUSPECTS APPEAR ON RAILROAD TRESTLES" "WHAT TO BE APPEAR alongwith SATANIC SYMBOLS." "PEOPLE FROM SCHOOL THAT DO NOT EVEN KNOW HIM" "THAT WHAT HE SAID A DEVIL worshiper." "AND HE DOES NOT WORSHIP THE DEVIL" "AND HE'S NOT IN ANY CULT." "SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS," "ALL FROM A SENSELESS ACT." "Jenna Newton:" "IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RUMORS BEGIN." "WELL, I'VE HEARD THINGS BEFORE ABOUT CULTS" "AND I REALLY DID NOT BELIEVE IT," "BUT SOME OF THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE talked TO" "SAY THERE IS-- THEY HAD FOUND SOME ANIMALS BACK THERE" "WHEN THEY PLAYED BACK THERE." "IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN CUT UP." "BOY, IT SURE LOOKS ROUGH" "WINDOWS boarded up," "MAN, THE YARD boarded up." "DOES NOT LOOK GOOD." "David Steinhart:" "AT SOME TIME, ALL THREE SUSPECTS" "IN THE WEST MEMPHIS MURDER CASE" "HAVE LIVED IN THE LAKESHORE TRAILER PARK." "RESIDENTS HERE CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN" "STRANGE, Ritualistic MEETINGS AT THE PARK PRIOR TO THE MURDERS." "Jenna Newton:" "JONI DWYER LIVES NEXT DOOR TO JASON BALDWIN." "HER THREE BOYS OFTEN PLAYED WITH JASON." "BUT THAT ALL CHANGED AFTER HER HUSBAND" "FOUND SOME DRAWINGS JASON HAD DONE." "MY HUSBAND JUST DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE SAW THEM IN DRAWINGS." "HE SAID-- YOU KNOW, HE TOLD MY SON, "THIS IS DEVIL Worshipping,"" "THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SNAKES, AND THE SAYINGS THEY HAD." "SOME OF THEM WERE IN LATIN AND STUFF." "(Door alarm ringing)" "A LOT OF MEMORIES." "A LOT OF MEMORIES." "CHRISTOPHER'S ROOM RIGHT THERE" "WHERE YOU SEE THE SET OF THREE WINDOWS." "THIS HOUSE AND THE MOORES 'HOUSE-- I WOULD SAY," "THE MAJORITY OF THE PAST 17 YEARS, THEY APPEAR TO havebeen EMPTY." "YOU Could Have PEOPLE" " THEY'RE GONNA GO, "OH, THE HOUSE IS CURSED,"" "OR "THAT'S WHERE THE LITTLE BOY LIVED" "THAT THE DEVIL worshipers KILLED. "" "THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT INTO THE PROPAGANDA" "THAT THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department" "And the Media PUT FORTH" "DEVIL WORSHIPPERS" "BECAUSE OF SOME GRAFFITI AROUND." "THEY GOT ON THAT BAND WAGON" "AND EVERYBODY Jumped ONBOARD." "AND IT WAS HYSTERIA." "PEOPLE WOULD NOT LET THEIR CHILDREN OUT." "Joe Berlinger:" "YOU Jumped On That BAND WAGON, TOO." "OH, I LED THE BAND WAGON." ""YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY" "OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH," "I Shall Fear No Evil. "" "AND I'M NOT SCARED OF THE DEVIL." "I KNOW WHO IS MY COMFORTER." "THESE THREE ANIMALS Worshipping THE DEVIL" "MADE A SACRIFICE" "OF THREE BABIES TO SATAN," "TO THINK THAT IT WOULD EMPOWER THEM TO FLY," "WALK THROUGH WALLS." "YOU KNOW, WHAT INSANITY." "WE DID A LITTLE GRAFFITI," "LIKE SPRAY-PAINT ON underpasses," "BUT THERE WAS NOTHING SATANIC, ANYTHING LIKE THAT." "IT WAS JUST LIKE OUR NAMES," "OUR FAVORITE BANDS, THINGS LIKE THAT." "AND THEY SEEM TO PLACE" "SOME BIG IMPORTANCE ON IT OR SOMETHING." "SOME EXPERTS HAVE SAID THAT THE MAIN THREE DRIVING FORCES" "OF SATAN WORSHIP AMONG TEENAGERS" "IS SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK 'N' ROLL." "AND THAT'S TRUE Probably." "WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROCK 'N' ROLL," "YOU'RE probably talking about THE HEAVY METAL GROUPS." "MOST PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND" "THE SITUATION AS IT WAS THEN." "THE AREA HAD HAD" "A rumored HISTORY" "OF DEVIL Worshipping AND THAT TYPE OF THING." "THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING" "AROUND THE COUNTRY AT THIS TIME." "IN CASE DAMIEN'S, IT WAS THE KIDS" "THAT CAME IN AND SAID THEY SAW HIM THAT" "Eating the hindquarter OF A DOG." "BUT THE RUMORS WERE RAMPANT." "THE Police Department ASKED ME" "TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF PEOPLE" "THAT WE HAD HAD DEALINGS WITH" "IN THE JUVENILE DEPARTMENT" "THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT-- SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS." "DAMIEN'S NAME WHAT Mentioned" "VERY EARLY ON BY LOT OF PEOPLE A." "HE DOES HE" " HE-- ACT STRANGE." "HE WEARS THE BLACK CLOTHING," "WHICH CREATES ATTENTION TO HIM." "WE WERE TOTALLY Unaware" "Thatthere WHAT A SATANIC CULT West Memphis," "THAT THERE WERE SATAN Worshippers In West Memphis." "DID NOT HEAR I ANYTHING ABOUT THIS" "UNTIL MY CHILD WHAT TO SATAN Sacrificed." "THEN I HEARD ABOUT IT." "WHY IS IT THAT I Did not KNOW THIS BEFORE?" "I'M ALL FOR BURNING THEM AT THE STAKE" "JUST LIKE THEY DID IN SALEM." "I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT." "AFTER WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO US," "THAT STILL NOT BE WOULD GOODENOUGH." "GOOD EVENING." "I'M DIANA DAVIS." "AND I'M Tony Brooks." "IN A STATEMENT GIVEN TO THE POLICE, 17-YEAR-OLD JESSIE misskelley" "Allegedly confesses TO WATCHING TWO OTHER SUSPECTS" "CHOKE, RAPE, AND SEXUALLY Mutilate" "THREE WEST MEMPHIS SECOND-GRADERS." "Jenna Newton:" "Misskelley TOLD POLICE HE WATCHED" "18-YEAR-OLD DAMIEN ECHOLS AND 16-YEAR-OLD JASON BALDWIN" "Brutalize THE CHILDREN AS PART OF A CULT RITUAL." "CAN YOU JUST SAY AGAIN HOW STRONG YOU FEEL THIS CASE IS?" "SOMEONE ASKED ME ON A SCALE FROM ONE TO 10th" "AND I TOLD THEM, "11." SO THAT'S HOW IT IS STRONG." "Jenna Newton:" "GRAPHIC DETAILS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRINTED" "IN TODAY'S "Commercial Appeal." JESSIE misskelley JR.," "IS ONE OF THREE OF THE MURDER SUSPECTS." "I DO NOT BELIEVE IT." "HE'S NOT THAT TYPE OF BOY." "Misskelley, SR., DISPUTES A CONFESSION" "BY HIS SON allegedly MADE AND QUOTED IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPER." "THE PAPER DOES NOT MENTION HOW IT OBTAINED YOUNG'S STATEMENT misskelley." "AN UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN CALLED ACTION NEWS 5 LAST FRIDAY" "OFFERING TO SELL US FOR THE TRANSCRIPT SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS." "WE DECLINED BECAUSE WE DO NOT PAY FOR NEWS STORIES." "Man:" "THE CONFESSION misskelley" "GOT LEAKED TO THE PRESS." " YOU DID NOT LEAK IT, DID YOU?" " NO." "AND WHAT THAT AN ITEM OF CONCERN" "TO YOU AT THE TIME?" "Not really." "Jenna Newton:" "ECHOLS, BALDWIN, AND misskelley" "PLEAD GUILTY NOT TO THREE COUNTS EACH OF CAPITAL MURDER." "David Steinhart:" "Misskelley WILL BE THE FIRST OF THREE defendants" "TRIED FOR THE MURDERS OF THREE BOYS WEST MEMPHIS EARLIER THIS YEAR." "Jenna Newton:" "THE JUDGE SETS ONE TRIAL DATE FOR LATE FEBRUARY" "AND RULES AND ECHOLS BALDWIN WILL BE TRIED TOGETHER." "Woman:" "CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR ME" "WHAT THE PRESS COVERAGE WHAT ARE LIKE?" "OH, IT WAS ANYTHING" "YOU WOULD SEE TODAY" "Dealing With" "A MAJOR CELEBRITY." "I MEAN, IT" "LOOK AT THE MICHAEL JACKSON COVERAGE." "THAT'S THE KIND OF COVERAGE WE WERE GETTING." "Woman:" "AND THAT SORT OF COVERAGE WAS AT THE TIME OF THE MURDERS," " BUT ALSO CONTINUING THROUGH THE TRIALS?" " YES." "Male reporter:" "REPORTERS HAVE WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF STORIES" "ABOUT THESE TWO TRIALS." "ON K.A.I.T. ALONE," "OUR VIEWERS HAVE SEEN" "MORE THAN 130 STORIES ABOUT THE THREE defendants." "Female reporter:" "THE ATTORNEYS WILL BE LOOKING FOR Jurors" "WHO CAN PUT ASIDE THE THINGS THEY'VE HEARD IN THE MEDIA" "AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS" "AS THEY ARE PRESENTED IN THE TRIAL." "THIS CASE POSES A DIFFICULT BALANCING ACT:" "ON ONE SIDE-- THE RIGHT'S defendant TO A FAIR TRIAL;" "THE OTHER SIDE-- THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW." "I DO RECALL BEING ASKED" "A SPECIFIC QUESTION BY THE MEDIA ONCE" "OF HOW I FELT THIS CASE WAS" "BETWEEN A ONE AND A 10," "AND I MADE A DUMB REMARK OF "11."" "AND GOT ​​TO YOU'VE Keep in Mind" "THE ATMOSPHERE AT THAT TIME." "WE WERE 30 DAYS INTO THE CASE" "WHEN AN ARREST WHAT MADE." "There Was A LOT OF BURDEN" "TAKEN OFF OF EVERYONE" "THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT CASE." "LIKE WE HAD FELT WE A VERY SOLID CASE." "Woman:" "IF YOU HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN," "WOULD YOU HAVE MADE THE COMMENT" "ABOUT 11 ON A ONE-out-of-10 SCALE?" "Gitchell:" "I probably WOULD NOT HAVE." "IN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WHEN THE TRIAL'S ALL OVER," "I'LL BE WITH MY PARENTS AGAIN AND MY FAMILY." "AND EVERYTHING WILL BE HAPPY, THE WAY IT WAS." "BUT I'M SCARED ABOUT WHAT Could Happen" "IF THEY DID Find Me Guilty." "BUT I KNOW THEY CAN NOT." "But then again, They Might." "I JUST DO NOT LIKE TO THINK about that." "THE DAY HE GOT ARRESTED, NO ONE CALLED ME." "AND I GOT HOME AND THERE WERE POLICE" "GOING THROUGH ALL MY HOUSE." "AND I KEPT ASKING WHERE MY SON WAS." "THEY GAVE ME THAT TESTIMONY OF JESSIE'S" "THAT SAID THAT IT HAPPENED During The Day" "AND THAT JASON HAD SKIPPED SCHOOL." "I HAD PROOF THAT WAS IN JASON SCHOOL AND THAT IT WAS A LIE." "BUT THAT DID NOT MATTER TO GITCHELL." "THEY ALREADY HAD HIM IN THE Courtroom" "BEFORE I COULD GET UP THERE WITH HIS SCHOOL RECORDS." "AND I HAD TO FIGHT MY WAY THROUGH A CROWD." "Ma'am, what do you THINK ABOUT THE REPORT This Morning" "OF YOUR SON'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS THING?" "HE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT." " WHAT HE AT SCHOOL?" " Mr. Grinnell:" "HE WAS AT SCHOOL." " THE WHOLE DAY?" " THE WHOLE DAY." "Gail Grinnell:" "HE WAS NOT THERE." "AND I WAS IN SHOCK" "TOTAL SHOCK." "I FIRST MET JASON" "THE MORNING OF HIS VERY FIRST APPEARANCE" "AT THE WEST MEMPHIS MUNICIPAL COURT." "Paul Ford:" "MY IMPRESSIONS OF JASON ARE" "THAT HE Appeared VERY SHY AND VERY timid." "HE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE AN ANGRY YOUNG MAN." "HE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A VIOLENT young man." "HE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A MAN" "WHO IS CAPABLE OF A Heinous ACT" "FOR WHICH HE'S CHARGED." "Joe Berlinger:" "HOW DID YOU GUYS MEET?" " AT SCHOOL." " YEAH, I THINK SO." "IN A STUDY HALL." "I HAD LIKE A BOOK BAG FULL OF TAPES." "I USED TO TRY TO STEAL THEM." "(Laughs)" "WE DID ABOUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER" "BEFORE WE GOT ARRESTED," "USED ​​TO GO TO PLACES ON THE WEEKENDS." "TO MALLS." "John Philips Born:" "MY CLIENT JASON BALDWIN" "WHAT Essentially Investigated" "MAINLY ON THE BASIS" "THAT HE HUNG OUT DAMIEN ECHOLS AROUND" "AND WHAT ARE KNOWN TO BE A GOOD FRIEND OF HIS." "JASON WHAT'S DAMIEN CONSTANT SHADOW." "WHEREVER DAMIEN WENT, JASON WENT." "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION." "IT'S A SCARY THING" "TO BE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING BECAUSE OF YOUR FRIENDS." "WHY EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS JASON" "WHAT BECAUSE HE HUNG OUT WITH DAMIEN." "AND WHY DID EVERYBODY THINK IT WAS DAMIEN?" "'Cause HE WAS THE" "HE WAS THE GUY WHO HAD THE WEIRD SUIT." "MY SON WORE BLACK." "Theywere NOT Prosecuted BECAUSE THEY" "THEY WORE BLACK T-SHIRTS" "OR LIKED HEAVY METAL MUSIC." "Joe Berlinger:" "CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW," "THAT DAY WHEN THEY BROUGHT YOU IN FOR" "YOU KNOW, FOR Questioning, AND THEN, YOU KNOW," "LATER ON EVERYBODY WAS ARRESTED?" "CAN YOU TALK TO US WHAT WAS IT LIKE?" "THEY JUST ASKED ME WHO DID IT." "AND I DID NOT KNOW WHO DID IT, YOU KNOW." "THEY KEPT-- THE POLICE KEPT ON ASKING ME WHO DID IT" "AND I TOLD THEM I DID NOT KNOW, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW." "YOU KNOW, I TOLD-- I TOLD THE POLICE WHERE I WAS AT THAT DAY." "I WAS IN Dyess, Arkansas, WRESTLING, WHICH I WAS." "I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE TO KEEP ON ASKING ME QUESTIONS" "DONE AND I TOLD THEM ONCE." "YOU KNOW, I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE" "ASKING ME AND ASKING ME AND ASKING ME." "YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TELL YOU ONE TIME." "AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST EGG ON IT," "THEN I'M GONNA JUST SAY SOMETHING JUST TO LEAVE ME ALONE." "YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I DID." "AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST" "THEY JUST EGGED IT ON." "AND FINALLY I JUST TOLD THE COPS," ""LOOK, YOU KNOW, ALL RIGHT, I DID IT, YOU KNOW." "I KILLED THEM AND EVERYTHING. "" " (Phone rings)" " Man:" "Hello." "Woman:" "Operator." "I have a collect call." "Your name, please?" " Jessie:" "Jessie." " Woman:" "Will You Pay?" " YES, ma'am." " Thank you." " HEY, SON." " Hey." "HOW ARE YOU DOING?" "THAT'S GOOD." "OH, HELL, YES." "Snowed IT LIKE HELL UP HERE." "GOT ABOUT 3 INCHES OF SNOW OUT HERE ON THE GROUND NOW." "Yeah?" "IT DID NOT?" "WELL, IT IS HERE, I GUARANTEE YOU." "Woman over radio:" "Go ahead." "Jessie:" "YOU KNOW, I TALK TO MY DAD EVERY FRIDAY." "I CALL HIM EVERY FRIDAY." ""I WANT YOU TO COME HOME, SON. "" "YOU KNOW, HE TELLS ME THAT ALL THE TIME." "HE TELLS ME HE LOVES ME." "OF COURSE I KNOW THAT." "YOU KNOW, I LOVE HIM." "I LOVE HIM TO DEATH, YOU KNOW." "I'M TRYING TO GET HOME BE WITH HIM TO." "Jessie Sr .:" "SO DO YOU EVER THINK ABOUT THAT HAPPENED THAT--," "THE WAY THE POLICE TREATED YOU UP HERE IN THAT Questioning?" "YEAH, I KNOW." "MIKE ALLEN ASKED MY DAD, HE COULD TALK TO ME?" "MY DAD SAID AND, "WELL, SURE, YOU CAN TALK TO HIM. "" "SO I GOT IN THE COP CAR WITH HIM AND WE RODE TO WEST MEMPHIS." "MIKE ALLEN ASKED ME, Would not It Be Nice IF I KNEW WHO DONE IT?" "THAT WAY I COULD BUY MY DAD A TRUCK." "'Cause AT THE TIME, I THINK, THE REWARD WHAT LIKE $ 30,000." "I SAID YES, I COULD USE THAT-- YOU KNOW, THAT MONEY-- THE REWARD MONEY," "BUT YOU KNOW I--," "BUT I DID NOT KNOW WHO DONE IT, though." "Younger Gitchell:" "OUR INTENTIONS FOR WANTING TO TALK TO JESSIE misskelley" "WERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING US SOME NAMES" "OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HE MAY KNOW FIRST HAND OF" "OR EVER HEARD OF WHO WERE INVOLVED" "IN THE CULT ACTIVITY OR SATANISM." "IN THE COURSE OF" "WHAT WAS A VERY LONG DAY OF INTERVIEWING," "JESSIE misskelley GOES FROM BEING" "A SOURCE OF INFORMATION" "TO BEING A SUSPECT WHO HAS," "ACCORDING TO THE TAPE-RECORDED STATEMENTS," "Confessed TO INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CRIME." "(Recorder clicks)" "Ladies and Gentlemen OF THE JURY," "THIS STATEMENT THAT MR. Misskelley GAVE" "TO THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department" "IS A FALSE STORY." "Dan Stidham:" "NO ONE IN 1993 UNDERSTOOD" "THE PHENOMENON OF FALSE CONFESSIONS." "WE NOW KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THE POLICE" "TAKE A KID OFF THE STREET," "INTERROGATE HIM FOR 12 HOURS," "AND YET ONLY HAVE 41 MINUTES OF Audiotape" "TO SUPPORT THIS SO-CALLED CONFESSION." "Jessie:" "WELL, IN A YEAR FROM NOW," "HOPEFULLY I CAN BE OUT AND BE WITH MY FAMILY." "I'LL BE HOPEFULLY MARRIED TO SUSIE." "HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A KID." "YOU KNOW, I LOVE KIDS A LOT." "I THINK I'LL HAVE SOME." "Younger Dan Stidham:" "JESSIE IS RETARDED mildly." "IT'S EASIER MUCH" "TO GET A CONFESSION OUT OF SOMEONE" "WHO IS 17 AND OPERATING" "MAYBE AT A FIVE OR SIX-YEAR-OLD LEVEL" "Of Intellectual Functioning" "THAN IT IS SOMEONE WHO GRADUATED FROM HARVARD." "THE POLICE, YOU KNOW-- THEY Questioned ME" "FOR, LIKE, 11 OR 12 HOURS." "AND FINALLY I just got TIRED, YOU KNOW?" "MY MIND WAS, YOU KNOW," "DRAINING ME OUT." "YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?" "I COULDN'T" " I Could not FOCUS NO MORE." "MY BODY WAS DRAINING." "I WANTED TO GO HOME AND BE WITH MY DAD." "YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE" "BETWEEN A REAL, BONA FIDE," "VALUABLE CONFESSION AND A FALSE CONFESSION" "BY LOOKING AT" "How well do the Things THE SUSPECT TELLS YOU" "STACK UP WITH THE OBJECTIVE FACTS OF THE CRIME?" "AND WHAT JESSIE misskelley Talked ABOUT" "DOES NOT STACK UP TO WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS." "Don Horgan:" "WITH, YOU KNOW, PERSISTENT POLICE FOLLOW-UP Questioning," "HE KEEPS MOVING THE TIME OF THE Offenses LATER AND LATER IN THE DAY" "UNTIL FINALLY, LEADING WITH QUESTIONS," "THE POLICE GET THEM" "GET TO PLACE JESSIE THE TIME OF THE CRIMES" "AFTER THE TIME THE KIDS Disappeared." "Jessie:" "IT WAS MY VOICE THAT YOU HEARD." "I WAS SAYING WHAT THE POLICE WANTED ME TO SAY." "Everything That I Said REALLY CAME FROM THE POLICE" "LIKE, "WELL, YOU TOLD ME EARLIER" "SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND THIS AND THAT. "" "THAT'S WHEN I SAID, "Okay."" "THAT'S WHEN I REPEATED WHAT THEY SAID." "A LOT OF GOOD COPS ARE GONNA PRESS HARD" "TO TRY TO GET AN ANSWER TO" "WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR A TERRIBLE CRIME." "SO, Certainly, YOU KNOW, PUSHING HARD" "There's nothing WRONG WITH PUSHING HARD." "IT'S HAVING YOUR END IN MIND SO FIXED" "AND YOU'RE SO DETERMINED TO ENSURE THAT A PARTICULAR PERSON" "BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR A CRIME," "THAT YOU LOSE SIGHT OF" "OF, YOU KNOW, HOW YOUR coercive TACTICS ARE." "THAT'S WHERE YOU-- YOU STEP OVER THE LINE." "AND I THINK IT'S CLEAR THEY overreached WITH JESSIE misskelley." "THE PRESENCE OF FALSE CONFESSIONS" "AND HOW FREQUENTLY THEY PLAY A KEY ROLE" "IN SECURING CONVICTIONS FOR THE PROSECUTION" "IT'S BEEN VERY WELL-Documented NOW." "AND THAT'S What Happened IN THIS CASE." "AND IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND IT'S GONE ON FOR DECADES." "BUT IT'S ONLY NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING" "TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THAT PROBLEM." "I SAID WHAT THE POLICE WANTED ME TO SAY." "THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SAID THAT." "WHAT IT TRUE?" "NO, IT WAS NOT TRUE." "DID ANYBODY I RUN DOWN?" "NO, I DID NOT." "I DID NOT KILL NOBODY." "I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE." "I Have Nothing TO BE ASHAMED OF." "ALL RIGHT, YOUR Verdicts ARE IN GOOD SHAPE" "AND READ AS FOLLOWS:" ""WE THE JURY, HAVING FOUND JESSIE LLOYD misskelley JR.," "GUILTY OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER IN THE DEATH OF MICHAEL MOORE," "FIX HIS SENTENCE AT A TERM OF LIFE" "IN THE ARKANSAS Department of Corrections." "COUNT TWO-- WE THE JURY, HAVING FOUND JESSIE LLOYD misskelley" "GUILTY OF SECOND-DEGREE MURDER IN THE DEATH OF STEVEN BRANCH," "FIX HIS SENTENCE AT A TERM OF 20 YEARS" "IN THE ARKANSAS Department of Corrections." "COUNT THREE-- WE THE JURY, HAVING FOUND JESSIE LLOYD misskelley JR.," "GUILTY OF SECOND-DEGREE MURDER IN THE DEATH OF CHRISTOPHER BYERS," "FIX HIS SENTENCE AT A TERM OF 20 YEARS" "IN THE ARKANSAS Department of Corrections. "" "IS thisYour UNANIMOUS VERDICT, Ladies and Gentlemen?" " YES." " ALL RIGHT," "YOU WILL RECEIVE A LIFE SENTENCE PLUS 40 YEARS." "AND WILL BE THAT THE JUDGMENT OF THE COURT." "PRISON'S NOT A SAFE PLACE," "JESSIE, SWEETIE." "I'm gonna MAIL HIM A SKIRT." "ONE DOWN, TWO TO GO." "HOPE THE SAME THING FULLY WILL HAPPEN TO THE NEXT TWO" "AND WE'LL GET VERDICT THE SAME." "ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'D HAVE YOUR CLIENTS STAND, PLEASE." "MR. BALDWIN AND MR. ECHOLS, IF YOU'D STAND." "IN YOUR CASE, MR. BALDWIN," "You'll Be Adjudicated GUILTY" "OF THREE COUNTS OF CAPITAL MURDER." "You'll Be SENTENCED" "TO THE ARKANSAS Department of Corrections" "TO A TERM OF LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE" "ON EACH OF THE THREE COUNTS." "DAMIEN ECHOLS SHALL BE SENTENCED TO DEATH BY Lethal Injection." "You'll Be ADMINISTERED A CONTINUOUS INTRAVENOUS" "INJECTION OF A LETHAL QUANTITY" "OF AN ULTRA SHORT-ACTING BARBITURATES" "IN COMBINATION WITH A CHEMICAL Paralytic AGENT" " INTO YOUR BODY UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD." " (Woman sobbing)" "IT'S MY OBLIGATION TO LET YOU KNOW" "DO YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL," "AND YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THAT WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS." "HE'LL BE IN YOUR CUSTODY, MR. SHERIFF," "FOR IMMEDIATE TRANSPORTATION TO THE DEPARTMENT Of Corrections" "TO CARRY OUT THE ORDERS THIS COURT OF." "Male reporter:" "Questions About Whether JUSTICE SERVED WAS" "HAS IN THIS CASE loomed SINCE THE Verdicts." "THE HBO DOCUMENTARY "PARADISE LOST"" "GAVE THE CASE WORLDWIDE ATTENTION." "SINCE THE FILMS, THOUSANDS ARE Questioning THE CONVICTIONS." "16 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE," "I SAW THE DOCUMENTARY "PARADISE LOST."" "IT WAS ON HBO." "I GOT INVOLVED IN THE CASE THINKING THAT" "THERE WAS MAYBE SOME WAY I COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE." "IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY" "DAMIEN ECHOLS WHAT TREATED AS A TEENAGER" "YOU CAN THAT RELATE TO?" "I CAN REMEMBER BEING KIND OF LOOKED UPON" "AS A FREAK OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT," "BECAUSE I DID NOT DRESS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE." "SO I CAN empathize WITH BEING Judged" "BY HOW YOU LOOK AS OPPOSED TO WHO YOU ARE." " I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, IF YOU DO NOT MIND." " Woman:" "SURE." "I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH somepeople" "THAT I HAVE HEARD MAKE STATEMENTS" "THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC EYE," "AND ACTUALLY TALK TO THEM AND SAY," ""THIS IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED" "THAT WAS NOT SHOWN ON THE DOCUMENTARY. "" "AND I THINK THEY'D HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING." " BUT ALL THAT EVIDENCE HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC." " YES, IT HAS." "IT MAY NOT HAVE SHOWN UP IN THE DOCUMENTARIES" "OR IN A PARTICULAR NEWS REPORT" "OR A SPEECH BY SOMEONE, BUT IT IS PUBLIC RECORD." "MOST ANYONE CAN MAKE THE PROPER CONTACTS" "AND VIEW THAT-- THAT INFORMATION." "MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ANY CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES" "CAN COME DOWN AND SIT IN THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department" "AND lookthroughlimit MOST OF THAT EVIDENCE." "AM I CORRECT?" "Gitchell:" "That's what I understand." "SO THERE'S NOT A SECRET BAG" "OR POCKET OF INFORMATION" "THAT THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department" "OR THE Prosecutors HAVE THAT convinces THEM" "THAT THE West Memphis Three ARE GUILTY," "BUT THAT THE REST OF THE PUBLIC CAN NOT KNOW." "RIGHT, THERE'S NO" "There's no SECRET IN THERE WHATSOEVER." "IT'S JUST-- AS I Mentioned BEFORE," "IT'S THE PERCEPTION PEOPLE RECEIVED" "FROM THE MEDIA AND HBO." "I SAW THE MOVIE." "I GOT AN ADVANCE SCREENER" "BECAUSE I WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING AGENCY." "WE SAW THE MOVIE TOGETHER, KATHY AND I, AND WE SAW IT IMMEDIATELY" "AND SAID, "OH, GOSH, BURK WOULD Probably LIKE THIS. "" "(Laughter)" "ACTUALLY NOT LIKE IT, BUT" "HE CALLED UP AND HE SAYS US, "These guys are INNOCENT."" "WE START CONTACTING THE LAWYERS, 'CAUSE YOU JUST WANT TO KNOW MORE." "AND WE'RE SHOCKED TO FIND OUT THAT NOTHING WAS GETTING DONE," "Theywere JUST Languishing there." "IT WAS HORRIBLE." "AND SO WE WERE LIKE, "WELL, What Can We Do?" "WE WORK IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY." "WE CAN DESIGN THINGS. "" "AND THEN YOU SAY, "WELL, WHAT CAN YOU DO With That? "" "WE'RE LIKE, "WE CAN MAKE A SITE."" "Male reporter:" "ECHOLS HAS HIS BACKERS." "A WEBSITE IS NOW ONLINE TO RAISE MONEY" "FOR THE THREE MEN CONVICTED OF KILLING" "THE WEST MEMPHIS EIGHT-YEAR-OLDS." "WE'RE NOT EXPERTS OURSELVES," "BUT WE'VE HIRED EXPERTS" "TO LOOK INTO THE CASE FOR US" "BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH DOUBT." "Burk Sauls:" "ONE OF THE THINGS Saddest I CAN REMEMBER THAT" "ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING" "AND ABOUT OUR TRIPS OUT HERE" "I REMEMBER BEING IS IN A CAR RENTAL LIKE THIS," "HEADING OUT TO THE PRISON." "AND I REMEMBER SAYING, "CAN YOU BELIEVE" "THAT these guys Havebeen LOCKED UP" "IN PRISON FOR THREE WHOLE YEARS? "" "AND HERE WE ARE, 17 YEARS LATER," "HEADING TO Pine Bluff" "TO VISIT OUR FRIENDS AGAIN IN 2011th" "ALL RIGHT." "Kathy Bakken:" "HERE WE ARE." "I DO NOT LIKE BEING HERE AGAIN," "BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE these guys." "(Gate buzzes)" " Saul:" "WHENEVER YOU'RE READY." " Bakken:" "JUST THANK EVERYBODY." "Saul:" "THIS WILL BE SHORT." "Jason:" "THERE'S NOT LIKE AN "ACTION" OR NOTHING?" " Saul:" "ACTION." " Bakken:" "GO." "HI." "MY NAME IS" "HI." "MY NAME IS JASON BALDWIN." "AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE SUPPORTERS," "ALL OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE WRITTEN ME OVER THE YEARS," "WHO'VE Researched THE CASE," "DID YOU KNOW THEIR--, WHATEVER IT IS IN YOUR MEANS" "THAT DID YOUR BEST, YOU KNOW," "TO LET ME, DAMIEN AND JESSIE AND OUR FAMILIES KNOW" "THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED TO US" "BE FORGOTTEN WILL NOT AND IT'LL BE MADE RIGHT." "Younger Jason:" "AMERICA'S SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON" ""Innocent Until Proven Guilty, "" "BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND" "YOU'RE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT." "I NEVER WOULD HAVE DREAMED" "THAT ANYTHING LIKE THIS Could have happened to ME." "Announcer:" "NOW LIVE FROM THE MID-SOUTH NEWS LEADER ..." "Male reporter:" "CONVICTED WEST MEMPHIS CHILD MURDERER DAMIEN ECHOLS" "GIVES AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW TO ACTION NEWS. 5" "I THINK IF IT what-- IF CAPABLE theywere," "THE PUBLIC WOULD Probably FORM A LYNCH MOB AND COME GET ME." "Male reporter:" "DAMIEN ECHOLS SAYS HE WAS railroaded" "BY THE POLICE, Prosecutors, AND THE JUDGE." "Judge Burnett:" "MR. ECHOLS, YOU ARE Remanded TO THE CUSTODY ..." "Male reporter:" "IT'S BEEN PAINFUL FOR THE MOTHER AND Stepfather" "OF STEVIE BRANCH TO WATCH DAMIEN ECHOLS." "THEY'D PREFER HE GET NO ATTENTION." "I'M GLAD HE'S IN PAINAND MISERABLE AND ALL THAT." "I'M GLAD HE'S JUST SO messed up AND" "AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM KILL PRISON." "I WAS A STEP-PARENT BACK IN 1993" "WHEN THIS HAPPENED." "I WAS A GOOD STEP-PARENT." "AND TO WATCH IT ALL GO AWAY" "ON ACCOUNT OF THIS," "YOU LOSE YOUR LIFE TO A DEGREE." "YOU CAN SAY I SORT OF LIKE MYSELF DIED" "Because I SHUT OUT HUMANITY." "STEVE'S DEATH WHAT ARE SO DIFFICULT FOR PAM TO ACCEPT" "THAT OTHER PROBLEMS RESULTED." "SHE SEPARATED FROM HER HUSBAND AND MOVED HERE" "TO HER PARENTS 'HOME Blytheville." "A CRIME Dieser NATURE" "WILL TAKE A TOLL ON ANYBODY." "AND I HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN TO OUR HOME." "TOMORROW, 19-YEAR-OLD DAMIEN ECHOLS'S ATTORNEYS" "WILL FILE WITH THE COURT" "THE Transcripts FROM ECHOLS'S TRIAL" "MORE THAN 4,000 Page OF TESTIMONY." "SET IN MOTION thatwill THE APPEALS PROCESS" "THAT BELIEVES ECHOLS WILL LEAD" "THE TURNING OF HIS TO OVER CONVICTION AND SENTENCE." "Male reporter:" "CONVICTED MURDERER DAMIEN ECHOLS" "Appeared IN Craighead County Court" "FOR THE LATEST HEARING SINCE HIS CONVICTION 1994." "Female reporter:" "DAN Stidham, WHO Represented" "JESSIE misskelley IN THE ORIGINAL TRIAL," "SAYS MANY QUESTIONS REMAIN UNANSWERED." "I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE" "AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING AND KEEP GOING," "Does not Matter HOW MANY YEARS IT TAKES." "Female reporter:" "IT WAS ALSO AN EMOTIONAL DAY," "Especially for THE VICTIMS 'FAMILIES." "Pam Hobbs:" "DAMIEN'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE." "JUSTICE PREVAILED THE FIRST TIME." "I HAVE ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD" "THAT JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL AGAIN" "AND SOMEDAY I'LL GET TO WATCH DAMIEN ECHOLS THE." "Female reporter:" "BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO WANT JUSTICE TO PREVAIL." "Gail Grinnell:" "ANYBODY WITH A SET OF EYES CAN SEE" "THAT THESE BOYS ARE INNOCENT." "THEY DID NOT DO IT." "AND IF SHE WANTS JUSTICE DONE," "SHE NEEDS TO BE TRYING TO GET THIS CASE REOPENED" "AND FIND THE REAL MURDERERS OF THOSE THREE CHILDREN." "EVERY APPEAL THAT HAS COME UP" "HAS Caused GRIEF" "AND PROBLEM Caused IN THE HOME." "IT BRINGS BACK ANGER STILL TODAY" "TO SEE THEIR PICTURES OR FACES ON THE MEDIA." "Reliving IT IS A NIGHTMARE AT TIMES." "Female reporter:" "DAMIEN ECHOLS STILL WALKS," "Even Though FOUR YEARS AGO HE WAS SENTENCED TO DIE." "Man:" "ARE YOU HOPING THIS WORKS?" "YEAH, BUT I DO NOT THINK IT WILL." " Why do not you THINK IT WILL WORK?" " SAME JUDGE." "HIS APPEALS Havebeen DENIED" "TIME AND TIME And Time Again." "NOW TODAY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS DID MAKE A REQUEST" "THAT JUDGE DAVID BURNETT BE HEARING FROM recused THESE CASES." "BUT THAT MOTION WAS QUICKLY DENIED BY THE JUDGE." "Female reporter:" "THE ARKANSAS SUPREME COURT" "HAS DENIED EVERY APPEAL BY DAMIEN ECHOLS," "AND DEFENSE IS COUNTING ON D.N.A. TESTING" "TO SHED LIGHT NEW ON THE CASE." "Terry Hobbs:" "THIS CASE WAS SOLVED IN 1994th" "AND ONE DAY IN ARKANSAS" "THEY'RE GOING TO INJECT DAMIEN ECHOLS," "AND HE WILL PAY WITH HIS LIFE" "FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE" "TO THREE LITTLE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOYS." "A FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST, A BITE MARK EXPERT," "A CRIMINAL PROFILER," "EVEN A HUMAN BLOOD AND STAIN BODYFLUID SPECIALIST" "BROUGHT THEIR EXPERTISE HERE TO THE LAW SCHOOL" "AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS In Little Rock" "IN HOPES OF PROVING WHY THE DEFENSE TEAM" "FOR CONVICTED KILLER DAMIEN ECHOLS SAYS" "HE IS INNOCENT." "GOOD MORNING, Ladies and Gentlemen." "MY NAME IS DENNIS RIORDAN." "WE REPRESENT Petitioner DAMIEN ECHOLS" "IN THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS" "HERE IN LITTLE ROCK," "Arising OUT OF THE 1994 TRIAL" "TRIALS REALLY" "OF THREE TEENAGERS WHO WERE TRIED AND CONVICTED" "FOR THE MURDERS OF THREE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOYS." "AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE" "THAT Establishes THAT NO REASONABLE JUDGE" "WOULD CONVICT DAMIEN ECHOLS" "Essentially KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW TODAY." "THE HEART THIS PRESENTATION OF" "IS FOUR EXPERTS WHO WE WILL BE CALLING TODAY," "WHO PROVIDED THE CORE" "OF THE NEW EVIDENCE BEFORE THE COURT DISTRICT." "They are:" "WERNER SPITZ," "Probably the country's FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST LEADING," "Certainly THE AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE FORENSIC PATHOLOGY OF;" "RICHARD Souviron, Renowned FORENSIC Odontologist" "WHO WAS THE KEY WITNESS For the Prosecution" "IN CONVICTING Ted Bundy;" "TOM FEDOR, WHO IS A D.N.A. EXPERT" "TO DISCUSS THE NEW D.N.A. EVIDENCE;" "AND JOHN DOUGLAS, WHO HEADED" "The Criminal Analysis Unit OF THE F.B.I. FOR 25 YEARS." "BUT WHAT IS THE NEW EVIDENCE" "THAT PROVES NOT MERELY THAT THIS WAS AN UNFAIR TRIAL," "BUT THAT INNOCENT MEN WERE CONVICTED?" "AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN TO MY PARTNER DON HORGAN." "GOOD MORNING." "I'M GONNA TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO HERE" "JUST TO REVIEW SOME OF THE D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "THAT HAS RECENTLY Surfaced IN THE CASE." "FIRST WITH A LITTLE BACKGROUND" "IN 2001, ARKANSAS, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER STATES," "PASSED A STATUTE THAT ALLOWS" "CONVICTED CRIMINAL Defendants" "TO CHALLENGE THEIR CONVICTIONS WITH NEW D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "THAT SHOWS THEM TO BE ACTUALLY INNOCENT." "UNDER THAT STATE STATUTE," "RELEVANT ITEMS FROM THE CRIME SCENE IN THIS CASE" "WERE TESTED AT THE LABORATORY CHOSEN BY THE PROSECUTION," "AND THAT'S BODE LABORATORIES In Virginia." "IN LATE 2005 BODE ISSUED ITS FIRST REPORT" "SHOWING D.N.A. PROFILES OF GENETIC MATERIAL" "FOUND ON THE VICTIMS AND ON OTHER" "PIECES OF EVIDENCE FROM THE CRIME SCENE." "IN THE END, NONE OF THE BODE REPORTS" "COULD LINK ANY OF THE D.N.A. PROVIDED BY THE defendants" "TO THE VICTIMS OR TO THE CRIME SCENE." "NEW EVIDENCE HAS emerged West Memphis, Arkansas." "Male reporter:" "NEW EVIDENCE RELEASED TODAY CLAIMS" "TESTING UNAVAILABLE IN 1993" "SHOWS NO D.N.A. FROM THE THREE IMPRISONED defendants" "WHAT ARE FOUND ON THE BODIES OF THE MURDERED BOYS." "FOR 14 YEARS, JOHN MARK BYERS" "WHAT HE KNEW Convinced WHO TIED UP AND KILLED" "HIS EIGHT-YEAR-OLD SON AND TWO OTHER SCOUTS CUB" "IN A BRUTAL MUTILATION MURDER." "NOW AND BYERS THE STATE OF ARKANSAS" "HAVE BEEN SHOWN NEW EVIDENCE" "THAT THE FATHER TELLS A.B.C. NEWS" "Has Changed His Mind ABOUT THE GUILT" "OF THE THREE BOYS KNOWN AS THE West Memphis Three." "I HATED YOU." "I Believed WITH ALL MY HEART YOU KILLED MY SON." "AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT." "THE QUESTION IS" "WHY AM I SO DIFFERENT NOW" "THAN YEARS BACK?" "UH ..." "COMING TO DEAL WITH THINGS," "COMING TO DEAL WITH" "That I Know I DID ALL I COULD" "TO KEEP SAFE CHRISTOPHER, THAT IT WAS NOT MY FAULT." "NO, I WAS NOT A PERFECT DAD," "BUT I DID I-- THE BEST I COULD." "I'M JUST A Country Boy FROM Marked Tree." "THAT YOU KILL MY SON," "You Made Me MADDER THAN HELL" "AND I WANTED TO KICK ASS Somebody's." "Male reporter:" "DAMIEN ECHOLS QUIT TALKING TO REPORTERS" "AFTER GETTING WARNINGS FROM HIS ATTORNEYS." "LAST WEEK, ECHOLS SAID Mark Byers COMMITTED THE MURDERS." "DOES IT COME AS A SURPRISE, MARK?" "Mark Byers:" "WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT." "HE'S GOT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE AREA." "HE KNOWS WHEN THE SEARCH IS OVER WITH." "HE'S BIG ENOUGH THAT HE CAN" "CARRY THE BOYS THERE AND THROW THEM IN." "HIS SON WAS The only one mutilated." "THE OTHER TWO WERE NOT Mutilated." "ALL OF THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER" "WITH A PERSON LIKE BYERS." "Male reporter:" "AFTER THE Sentencing," "THE MOTHER AND Stepfather OF CHRISTOPHER BYERS" "MOVED OUT OF WEST MEMPHIS." "ECHOLS CLAIMS BYERS IS THE REAL KILLER." "I THINK BASICALLY IN A FIT OF ANGER HE KILLED THEM." "HE'S GOT TO BE THE BIGGEST Pathological LIAR." "I HOPE HE ROTS AND BURNS IN HELL FOR ETERNITY." "I HATE HIS GUTS" "MORE THAN ANYTHING ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH." "MARK AND MELISSA BYERS MOVED TO Cherokee Village" "TO GET AWAY FROM THE MEMORIES" "OF THEIR SON'S MURDER In West Memphis." "BUT THE TROUBLE FOLLOWED THEM." "Jenna Newton:" "ACCUSED OF TAKING THEY'RE" "$ 20,000 WORTH OF PROPERTY FROM A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE." "BUT THAT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THEIR LEGAL PROBLEMS." "ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS," "Mark Byers WHAT WITH A JUVENILE" "WHO allegedly assaulted ANOTHER YOUNG MAN." "BYERS SAYS HE LET THE BOYS FIGHT IN HIS PRESENCE" "BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A FAIR FIGHT." "ALL I COULD Thinkabout IS" "Thinking about MY SON GETTING BEAT TO DEATH." "BYERS STOOD BY WATCHING THE FIGHT holding a gun." "NOW A FEW OF THE BYERS ' NEIGHBORS SAY" "They Now Have Questions ABOUT MARK BYERS" "AND THE WEST MEMPHIS MURDERS." "THESE ARE FOR YOU, MELISSA." "Male reporter:" "BYERS'S WIFE DID THE RECENTLY." "AN AUTOPSY Showed SMALL AMOUNTS OF DRUGS IN HER BODY," "BUT NOTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE HER DEATH Caused." "SO THAT DEATH REMAINS A MYSTERY." "I MADE A GOOD SCAPEGOAT." "I MADE A GOOD TARGET." "BUT I DID NOT CARE." "YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT BUT ME." " BURN, YOU Son of a bitch, BURN." " AND I REALLY DID NOT CARE." " BURN." "GO TO HELL." "BURN." " I MEAN, DEEP DOWN INSIDE" " I KNEW I DID NOT KILL ANYBODY." " I'LL STOMP ON YOUR GRAVE." " I FELT LIKE THE STATE HAD ..." " I'LL STOMP ON YOUR GRAVE." "WHO THEY'RE SUPPOSED ..." "TO HAVE." "BURN AND GO TO HELL!" "BUT WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG" "ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS." "AND THE RIGHT THING IS" "THAT THESE THREE MEN ARE INNOCENT." "THAT'S the Right Thing." "AND, YES, IT WAS HARD FOR ME" "TO STAND UP AND ADMIT That I was wrong," "BUT WRONG IS WRONG." "THIS IS A LETTER" "FROM DAMIEN ECHOLS," "Varner Unit, P.O. BOX 400," "GRADY, Arkansas." ""Dear John, FIRST TO START OFF I WANT" "BY Apologizing TO YOU." "I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE ACCUSED" "OF SOMETHING YOU DID NOT DO." "NOW, ALL THESE YEARS LATER," "I JUST SEE HOW WRONG I WAS" "AND I'M SORRY." "DID THE SAME THING I TO YOU" "THAT EVERYONE ELSE DID TO ME." "THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY" "IS THANK YOU." "I KNOW IT CAN NOT Havebeen EASY" "TO PUT ASIDE ALL OF YOUR EMOTIONS" "AND LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE" "WITH COLD, HARD LOGIC," "BUT YOU DID." "I CAN NOT HELP BUT BELIEVE" "THERE'S A REASON FOR ALL dieser" "FOR BOTH OF US." "TAKE CARE" "AND THAT KNOW MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU." "DAMIEN ECHOLS. "" "HI." "Bruce Sinofsky:" "HOW ARE YOU DOING?" "I'M DOING GOOD." "GLAD YOU CAME BACK." "HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE THE LAST TIME WHERE YOU HERE?" "WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE CAR." " 10 YEARS." " 10 YEARS." "IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME." "Damien Echols:" "TIME IS VERY, VERY STRANGE IN HERE." "IN THE" "I'M SURPRISED BY THINGS SOMETIMES, I GUESS." "LIKE BEING TOLD THAT I HAVE ARTHRITIS" "OR LOOKING IN THE MIRROR" "Realizing AND MY HAIR LINE IS receding," "THAT MY HAIR IS GETTING THIN." "AND IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT THAT" "BECAUSE IN A WAY" "MY LIFE" "JUST SORT OF STOPPED abruptly" "WHENEVER I CAME HERE." "DECEMBER THE 11th" "IT WILL BE MY 35th Birthday." "IT WILL BE THE 17th BIRTHDAY" "THAT I'VE SPENT IN THIS PRISON." "I HAVE A SON WHO IS NOW ALMOST THE SAME AGE I WAS" "WHENEVER I WAS LOCKED UP." "WE WERE ABSOLUTELY" "Poverty-stricken WHITE TRASH." "I REALLY DO BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE" "Would have gotten AWAY WITH Murdering ME" "IF IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DID," "FOR BEING THERE IN THE VERY BEGINNING" "AND GETTING THIS WHOLE THING ON TAPE" "SO THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES WHAT WAS HAPPENING." "IF NOT FOR THAT, THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MURDERED ME," "SWEPT THIS UNDER THE RUG," "AND I would not BE ANYTHING BUT A MEMORY RIGHT NOW." "Male reporter:" "A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE" "ARE NOW STANDING BEHIND THE West Memphis Three" "SAYING THE MEN CONVICTED OF MURDER ARE INNOCENT:" "FROM Johnny Depp TO THE DIXIE CHICKS," "EVEN A NEW YORK ARCHITECT" "WHO QUIT HER JOB, MOVED TO LITTLE ROCK," "MARRIED AND DEATH ROW INMATE DAMIEN ECHOLS." "I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE" "ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN INVOLVED" "KNOWN AND DAMIEN FOR NINE YEARS." "BUT I'VE BEEN REALLY Actively WORKING" "ON THE CASE FOR ABOUT SEVEN." "I AM IN LOVE" "AND VERY LOVED BY A WOMAN" " LORRI," "WHO LIVED IN BROOKLYN, NEW YORK," "AT THE TIME THAT "PARADISE LOST" CAME OUT." "AND IT HAD A VERY POWERFUL IMPACT ON HER." "I HAD TO SORT OF THINK ABOUT THINGS OVERNIGHT." "AND I WOKE UP THE NEXT MORNING JUST KNOWING" "THOSE KIDS-- THEY DID NOT DO IT." "AND THEN TRYING TO-- IT JUST ME Plagued." "SHE COULD NOT STOP THINKING ABOUT IT," "SO SHE STARTED TO WRITE TO ME" "AND I Responded TO THE LETTERS." "IN THE COURSE OF WRITING TO DAMIEN, I THINK WE" "THAT'S WHEN WE Fell In Love Witheachother." "IT what" "BECAUSE INITIALLY, I THINK, WE" " WE" "WE Fell In Love Witheachother'S MINDS." "BECAUSE HE DID NOT EVEN WHAT LOOKED LIKE I KNOW" "OR, YOU KNOW-- IT WAS JUST REALLY" "IT WAS JUST WHAT WE WERE THINKING," "AND LATER ON, OF COURSE, WHEN WE talked TO EACHOTHER." "SO THAT what-- IT WAS ALREADY A DONE DEAL" "BY THE TIME I GOT TO ARKANSAS" "OR WENT TO VISIT HIM In Arkansas." "AND THEN I STAYED IN NEW YORK" "FOR ANOTHER, I THINK, YEAR AND A HALF AFTER I MET HIM" "BEFORE I MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE." "SHE LIVES HERE NOW In Little Rock, 45 MINUTES AWAY FROM THE PRISON," "JUST SO THAT SHE CAN Come Here More Often." "AND NOW WE ARE SET TO BE MARRIED" "November the 1st." "AND That'll Be A BUDDHIST Wedding Ceremony ON THE 1st November." "OH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET HIM OUT." "I THINK IT'S GOING TO" "I THINK THINGS ARE HAPPENING MUCH QUICKER," "BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET HIM OUT." "Inasmuch AS THE STATE HAS THE BURDEN ... (Clears throat) OF PROOF IN THIS CASE" "AND inasmuch AS" "FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE CASE IS circumstantial," "IT IS NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE" "THAT THE STATE PROVE IF IT CAN MOTIVE." "CALL YOUR NEXT WITNESS." "Fogleman:" "I CALL DALE Griffis." "IN LOOKING AT YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE OCCULT," "DO YOU SEE ANY PARTICULAR TYPE OF DRESS?" "I HAVE Personally OBSERVED" "PEOPLE WEARING BLACK FINGER NAILS," "HAVING THEIR HAIR Painted Black," "WEARING BLACK T-SHIRTS." "DOES THE NUMBER THREE-- THREE VICTIMS" "Have any significance?" "ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL NUMBERS" "In" " IN THE PRACTICE" "OF SATANIC BELIEF WHAT 666th" "AND SOME BELIEVE THE BASE OF SIX ROOT IS THREE." "Don Horgan:" "THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS BEING A SATANIC RITUAL" "WHAT A KEY ELEMENT OF THE STATE'S CASE AT THE TRIAL," "BECAUSE THEY CALLED DALE Griffis," "WHO HAD ALMOST NO QUALIFICATIONS WHATSOEVER." "BUT nonetheless HE MAINTAINED THAT" "ALL THOSE BLANK SPACES, YOU KNOW," "THAT ATTACHED TO THE CRIME SCENE" "WERE THEMSELVES EVIDENCE OF A SATANIC CONNECTION." "EVERY ONE OF THESE FILES" "IS jam-packed FULL OF CASES OR DATA" "ON PARTICULAR GROUPS AND SO FORTH" "THE THINGS THAT I COULD USE" "TO EDUCATE OTHER PEOP-- YOU KNOW, Therapists" "AND Educators AND POLICEMEN." "IT WAS IN THE START OF MY CAREER" "INTO OCCULTISM" "ABOUT 1985 I BELIEVE." "And There Was AN EXPLOSION OF CASES." "Male reporter:" "Tonight, the startling, sobering results of a "20/20" Investigation:" "Satanism, devil worship is being practiced all across the country." "We have all types Of Perversion going on, and it's Affecting America." "Male Reporter:" "Perverse, hideous acts That Defy totaled." "All of them were Investigated by Police," "Usually but without much result." "Paul Ford:" "BETWEEN 1982 AND 1984," "WHEN YOU BECAME A Ph.D., WHAT DID YOU TAKE CLASSES?" " NONE." " NONE." "Val Price:" "JUDGE, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT" "AT thispoint On Behalf Of MY CLIENT." "IT'S OUR POSITION THAT, BASED ON A MAIL-ORDER Ph.D." "IN WHICH A PERSON DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE CLASSES," "DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE ANY RESIDENT COURSES" "FROM A NON-ACCREDITED SCHOOL," "DOES NOT QUALIFY HIM AS AN EXPERT IN ARKANSAS." "AND WE OBJECT TO THE COURT" "QUALIFYING DR. Griffis AS AN EXPERT." "I'M NOT SURE IN ARKANSAS OR ANY OTHER STATE" "THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF DEGREE" "TO BE AN EXPERT IN A PARTICULAR FIELD." " THAT'S TRUE" " IF YOU CAN Demonstrate" "KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE," "AND TRAINING IN THE FIELD," "YOU Could Have A THIRD-GRADE EDUCATION," "IF YOU HAVE OTHER EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, AND TRAINING" "THAT YOU qualifiés AS AN EXPERT." "SO I'M NOT Persuaded AT ALL" "AboutYour ARGUMENT ABOUT A MAIL ORDER Ph.D." "SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?" "IN THE EARLY 1970s AND '80s," "WE BEGAN TO SEE AT THE F.B.I. ACADEMY" "Police Officers COMING IN FROM AROUND THE WORLD," "AND THE COPS WERE KIND OF THROWING AROUND WORDS LIKE "RITUAL"" "AND USING IT Interchangeably WITH SATANIC CRIMES." "WE DID A CLOSE EVALUATION AND WE DID NOT SEE ONE." "WE DIDN'T-- WE DID NOT SEE ONE CASE." "Horgan:" "IF YOU CAN PAINT THESE GUYS" "AS INVOLVED IN satanism, Anything is possible." "AND THE APPARENT Castration OF CHRISTOPHER BYERS" "FIT INTO THE SATANIC THEORY FOR AS WELL Griffis." "Griffis:" "THEY USED TO CUT KNIVES UP" "THE THREE BOYS THAT WERE KILLED," "THE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOYS." "DO THE TYPES OF INJURIES HAVE significance?" "THE REMOVAL OF SEX-- SEX ORGANS" "IN SOME BOOKS ON OCCULTISM," "Theywill TALKABOUT" "REMOVING OF THE TESTICLES FOR THE SEMEN." "A LOT OF THE EARLY Understandings THIS CASE OF" "WERE REALLY premised ON A Misunderstanding OF WHAT WAS THERE." "AND THE INFORMATION, BY AND LARGE," "WHAT ARE THERE TO BE SEEN AND INTERPRETED." "IT JUST WAS NOT LOOKED AT BY THE RIGHT PEOPLE" "AND IT WAS NOT INTERPRETED correctly." "STATE'S EXHIBIT 68A" "IS A PHOTOGRAPHER OF AN ABRASION" "THAT'S PATTERNED" "AND HAS, LIKE, A SMOOTH APPEARANCE TO IT." "AND THAT'S 68A." "Brent Davis:" "HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO THAT AT KNIFE LOOK" "AND EXAMINE KNIFE THAT, SIR?" "YES." "YOU REFERRED IN YOUR TESTIMONY" "TO WOUND PATTERNS ON THE THREE VICTIMS" "THAT WERE SMOOTH IN NATURE." "THAT'S CORRECT." "OKAY." "DID YOU FIND WOUND PATTERNS ON THE THREE VICTIMS" "That would be CONSISTENT" "WITH HAVING BEEN Caused BY A KNIFE" "WITH THAT KIND OF SMOOTH PATTERN?" "THERE ARE INJURIES CONSISTENT WITH THIS TYPE OF SMOOTH PATTERN." "AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, A CRITICAL PROSECUTION THEORY" "AT THE 1994 TRIALS" "WHAT THAT THE defendants USED ​​A SURVIVAL KNIFE" "To inflict MOST OF THE INJURIES ON THESE VICTIMS" "AND thatthey USED ​​THE KNIFE" "BEFORE THE CHILDREN DIED." "IS IT A COINCIDENCE" "THIS KNIFE IS FOUND BEHIND" "IN THE LAKE, HIDDEN," "BEHIND JASON BALDWIN'S HOUSE?" "Horgan:" "THE KNIFE WAS CRITICAL" "BECAUSE IF IT LOOKED LIKE ONE THAT DAMIEN ECHOLS HAD ONCE OWNED" "AND IF THE INJURIES TO THESE KIDS WERE Caused by a knife," "IT TIED DAMIEN ECHOLS TO-- TO THE CRIME ITSELF." "SO IT WAS A KEY LINK IF IT WAS TO BE Believed" "THAT IT HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE KIDS mutilating" "AND HAD BEEN USED IN, YOU KNOW," "Probably castrating CHRISTOPHER BYERS." "BUT NOW WE KNOW THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE." "GOOD MORNING." "I ANALYZED A LOT OF PICTURES." "I ANALYZED A LOT OF WRITTEN MATERIALS." "IT IS MY OPINION" "OR THE FOLLOWING ARE MY OPINIONS:" "INJURIES ON THE BODY SURFACE" "OF ALL THE THREE VICTIMS, THREE BOYS," "INCLUDING THE emasculation OF CHRIS BYERS," "WERE PRODUCED BY ANIMALS AFTER DEATH." "WHEN A DOG OR OTHER CARNIVOROUS ANIMAL" "ATTACKS A BODY AFTER DEATH," "OR BEFORE DEATH SOMETIMES," "THEY SCRAPE THE BODY." "THEY MOVE THEIR CLAWS ON THE BODY" "AND TRY TO BRING THE BODY CLOSER TO THEM." "THEY DO THIS SEVERAL TIMES." "AND YOU HAVE HERE TWO OF THE VICTIMS" "Thathave THE SAME IDENTICAL INJURY." "Theywere OBVIOUS CLAW MARKS." "THE SPACING AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THOSE INJURIES" "IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH A KNIFE SERRATED SEARCH AS THIS" "OR, FOR THAT MATTER, ANY KNIFE." "OVER A PERIOD OF TIME," "OUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED OF" "HAS CHANGED." "WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THE LAWYERS ON THE CASE" "HAD NOT GONE TO THE CRIME LABORATORY" "AND LOOKED Meticulously" "THROUGH ALL OF THE LABORATORY'S NOTEBOOK" "OF WHAT WAS DONE OUT AT THE CRIME SCENE." "THE CRIME SCENE TECHS RECOVERED" "A BUNCH OF ANIMAL HAIR." "Dr. Richard Souviron:" "NO POSSIBLE WAY'S THERE This Could Have Been DONE" "WITH THIS KNIFE." "ANIMALS DO THIS." "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO A BODY THAT'S DUMPED" "IN A Wooded AREA, IN THE WOODS," "IN A CREEK, IN A SWAMP." "THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET." "DOG, COYOTE, FOX, POSSUM" "I've Seen ALL OF THOSE." "IT'S A CARNIVORE." "Could It Be TURTLES THAT HAD DONE THIS," "AQUATIC CRABS, FOR INSTANCE?" "SURE." "ANYTHING THAT WOULD EAT FLESH" "IS WHAT DID THIS." "Joe Berlinger:" "CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CASE," "I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL TERMS?" "I MEAN Do You Think IT WAS A SOLID CASE?" "Do You Think IT WAS A CASE" " I MEAN," "DO YOU THINK DAMIEN GOT A FAIR TRIAL?" "OH, I DON'T-- IN MY MIND," "There's no QUESTION THAT ALL THREE RECEIVED A FAIR TRIAL." "THE JURY HEARD THE EVIDENCE" "AND WERE Convinced OF GUILT." "SO THAT speaks for itself, I THINK." "A JURY TAKES AN OATH TO BASE THEIR Verdicts" "ONLY ON THE EVIDENCE THAT COMES BEFORE 'EM." "AND THEY'RE NOT TO CONSIDER ANYTHING" "OTHER THAN THE EVIDENCE THAT COMES FROM THE WITNESS STAND," "THE EXHIBITS THAT ARE INTRODUCED IN THE EVIDENCE." "AND IF THEY VIOLATE OATH THAT," "IT'S A VERY, VERY SERIOUS MATTER." "Female reporter:" "LORRI DAVIS, WIFE OF DAMIEN ECHOLS," "SPOKE FOR THE FIRST TIME ABOUT A NEW" "DEFENSE Allegation JURY OF MISCONDUCT" "IN THE TRIAL OF THE West Memphis Three." "DAVIS SAYS THE JURY FOREMAN AN ATTORNEY contacted" "DURING THE TRIAL 15 YEARS AGO." "Philips Born:" "WE KNOW FROM A LAWYER" "WHO HAS NOW SUBMITTED SOME PAPERWORK TO THE COURT" "WHO Talked To That JURY FOREMAN" "AND WHO BECAME AWARE THAT THE JURY FOREMAN" "WHAT considering SOME INFORMATION" "THAT THE JURY FOREMAN" "SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN Considering." "Lloyd Warford:" "ANYTIME YOU'RE CAUGHT IN A SITUATION" "WHERE YOU KNOW SOMETHING" "THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION" "A JUDGMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE BY A COURT," "WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT HOME IN YOUR EasyChair" "AND YOU READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT BODY'S FACING SOME THE DEATH PENALTY" "AND YOU FEEL LIKE There's Something YOU MIGHT, COULD HAVE DONE," "IT'S" " IT'S Troubling." "YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING Dangerously Close" "TO THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT What Happened IN THE JURY ROOM." "AS AN OFFICER OF THE COURT, I'M NOT PERMITTED" "TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS WITH REGARD TO THIS CASE." "Gina Reynolds:" "I HAD STARTED WORKING FOR LLOYD Warford" "AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS A LAW CLERK." "I MET THE JURY FOREMAN KENT ARNOLD." "THE FIRST TIME" "I ENCOUNTERED KENT AT LLOYD'S OFFICE" "WHAT WHEN HE HIRED LLOYD TO REPRESENT HIS BROTHER" "ON A DIFFERENT CASE." "BUT AT THAT TIME, KENT ALREADY KNEW" "HE WAS BEING CALLED FOR Jury Duty" "FOR BALDWIN AND ECHOLS TRIAL." "DURING misskelley'S TRIAL, HE Talked ABOUT" "ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER." "KENT ARNOLD WHAT passionate about WHAT HE THOUGHT HE KNEW." "HE" " HE Believed" "THAT WERE GUILTY THEY AND THEY HAD BEEN CAUGHT" "AND THEY SHOULD BE CONVICTED." "I WAS SITTING IN LLOYD'S OFFICE" "AND HE WAS TALKING TO KENT ON SPEAKERPHONE." "AND HE WAS SAYING, "WELL, I'VE Gotten MY JURY Summons." "HOW DO I MAKE SURE I GET ON THIS JURY? "" "LLOYD AND WAS GOING, "YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY STRONG IDEAS" "ABOUT Whether these guys ARE GUILTY OR NOT." "YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NEVER GET ON THE JURY." "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT. "" "AFTER KENT WAS ON THE JURY, LLOYD SPECIFICALLY SAID," ""HOW DID YOU GET ON THIS JURY? "" "AND HE BASICALLY SAID, "DUMB AND JUDGES DUMB LAWYERS" "THEY DO NOT ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. "" "DURING THE TRIAL, KENT WAS STILL CALLING LLOYD" "On a regular basis ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON." "HE REALLY WANTED LLOYD TO TELL HIM ABOUT THINGS" "HOW TO GET THIS JURY TO CONVICT THESE BOYS." "LLOYD AND WOULD JUST KIND OF BRUSH OFF HIM AND SAY," ""OH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT. "" "HE ALSO ASKED LLOYD" "SPECIFICALLY ON THAT PHONECALL," "WHEN THEY WERE GONNA PLAY THE CONFESSION?" "MR. ARNOLD WOULD BE SAYING STUFF LIKE" "ONE PARTICULAR PHONE CALL-- "THE STATE HAS NOT PROVEN THEIR CASE." "THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REST TOMORROW." "IF ANYBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THESE BOYS CONVICTED," "IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ME IN THAT Jury Room. "" "THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, HE'S THE JURY FOREMAN OF." "HE'S FOREMAN OF THE JURY," "WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE HE WANTED TO BE," "BECAUSE HE WANTED THESE BOYS CONVICTED." "KENT ARNOLD Believed" "THAT WHAT HE KNEW WHAT ARE THE TRUTH" "AND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE UP TO HIM" "TO MAKE SURE HIS IDEA OF JUSTICE HAPPENED." "HE HAD TO INTRODUCE THE CONFESSION TO THE JURY ROOM." "HE HAD ALREADY BASICALLY TOLD US HE WAS GOING TO." "IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, QUITE FORTUITOUSLY" "AND THIS IS THE SORT OF FORTUNE THAT CAN SAVE A MAN'S LIFE" "WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE JURY PUT UP BIG SHEETS" "OF FACTORS THAT THEY CONSIDERED IN CONVICTING ECHOLS AND BALDWIN." "AND THEY'VE BEEN KEPT IN EVIDENCE." "AND HERE THE ECHOLS 'ONE IS." "NO ONE HAS REALLY ASKED WHAT THAT MIGHT BE." "WHY WAS IT CROSSED OUT?" "WHO CROSSED IT OUT?" "ONE OF THE Jurors HAD COPIED" "A FACSIMILE OF THAT LIST INTO HER LAPTOP." "THE CROSSED OUT ITEM IS" "THE JESSIE misskelley TESTIMONY." "WHAT WE KNOW NOW THAT IS IN FACT" "JESSIE'S misskelley STATEMENTS" "PLAYED A PRETTY MAJOR PART" "IN THE WAY THAT THE JURY" "IN THE ECHOLS AND BALDWIN CASE" "CAME TO UNDERSTAND THE CASE" "AND CAME TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE NOTION" "THEY SHOULD THAT Convict," "WHICH IS WRONG." "Griffis:" "I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING." "APPROXIMATELY A YEAR" "BEFORE THE CASE ECHOLS," "I lectured in Little Rock, ARKANSAS." "ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THAT COURSE" "I BELIEVE His Name Was JERRY DRIVER" "HAD contacted ME ABOUT KIDS" "That Were ACTIVE IN THE WEST MEMPHIS AREA." "SO THE YEAR PRIOR," "I STARTED SEEING SOME OF THE MATERIALS." "THESE WERE DRAWINGS FROM THE AREA." "That's How IT CAME TO ME." "AND ..." "YOU COULD SEE ..." "HERE" "DEATH SYMBOLS AND USE OF A" "WHAT WAS CALLED A CEREMONIAL SWORD OR AN athame." "AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU START TO SEE" "SYMBOLS, THIS SYMBOLOGY" "OFTEN USED AS A SATANIC SYMBOL." "A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME, THEY KNEW THEY HAD A PROBLEM IN THE AREA." "THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS GETTING WORSE." "YOU HAD SOME GOOD POLICE OFFICERS DOWN THERE" "CONCERNED What The Heck NEXT IS GOING TO HAPPEN." "John Fogleman:" "ANYTHING WRONG WITH WEARING BLACK" "IN AND OF ITSELF?" "NO." "ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE HEAVY METAL STUFF" "IN AND OF ITSELF?" "NO." "BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT TOGETHER" "AND YOU BEGIN TO SEE DAMIEN ECHOLS INSIDE," "YOU SEE INSIDE THAT PERSON," "AND THERE'S NOT A SOUL IN THERE." "Echols:" "WHEN I WAS THAT AGE-- I WAS A KID BASICALLY" "IN COURT, HEARING THE PEOPLE THAT THINGS WERE SAYING," "I DO NOT THINK I REGISTERED" "THE FULL IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON THEN," "BECAUSE I ALWAYS FELT-- I KNEW I DID NOT DO IT." "SO THEREFORE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM" "TO PROVE YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOT DONE" "WITH NO EVIDENCE," "NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF RUMORS" "AND Ghost Stories AND smokescreens." "I DID NOT THINK THERE WAS ANY WAY IN HELL" "They Were Gonna Be ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT." "Lorri Davis:" "WE'RE HEADING TO GRADY, ARKANSAS," "WHERE THE UNIT IS Varner." "IT'S DAMIEN'S BIRTHDAY TODAY, YEAH." "TIME HAS BEEN AN ODD THING IN THIS SITUATION," "BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST DRAGS ON FOREVER" "AND THEN, WHEN YOU THINK BACK ON IT, IT'S BEEN FLEETING." "IN THE PAST 17 YEARS," "I'VE MADE FRIENDS" "Thathave Stuck With Me THROUGH THICK AND THIN," "Thathave been here" "BEYOND WHAT EVEN MY BLOOD FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE BEEN WITH ME BEYOND." "I MET LORRI." "WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS NOW." "WE JUST HAD OUR 10th Wedding Anniversary LAST WEEK." "I'M SURE IT'S DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSE'S MARRIAGE." "BUT THEN I DO NOT KNOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE'S MARRIAGE IS." "I JUST KNOW THAT IS OURS A GOOD ONE." "IN THE VERY BEGINNING, I WOULD WAKE UP" "In The Middle OF THE NIGHT SOMETIMES," "Cursing HER, LITERALLY Cursing HER OUT LOUD" "FOR MAKING ME FEEL THE WAY SHE MADE ME FEEL," "ESPECIALLY IN HERE, YOU KNOW." "IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WHENEVER YOU REALLY," "REALLY LOVE SOMEBODY," "IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, FLOWERS AND POETRY," "LIKE THE SONGS TRY TO MAKE YOU THINK." "IT HURTS." "IT GETS ITS CLAWS INTO YOU" "AND IT JUST RIPS." "AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE LAST THING" "I NEEDED TO BE Dealing With" "ON TOP OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THIS." "BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE" "THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING" "THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO ME IN MY LIFE." "Terry Hobbs:" "WHAT KIND OF PERSON" "WOULD COME FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY" "TO A DEATH ROW INMATE" "AND MARRY THIS MAN?" "THIS IS A KNOWN CONVICTED CHILD KILLER" "RIGHT HERE." "HE KILLED THREE LITTLE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOYS" "West Memphis, Arkansas, IN 1993rd" "WHAT KIND OF MIND" "DoesThis YOUNG LADYSHAVE" "WHO WOULD COME downhere AND MARRY SOMEBODY LIKE THAT?" "THIS WHOLE THING HAS GONE FROM" "WHAT HAPPENED TO THREE LITTLE BOYS" "TO MORE LIKE A CIRCUS OF SOME KIND." "OUR INVESTIGATORS WERE Obtaining" "D.N.A. SAMPLES IN THE FORM OF HAIRS, cigarette butts," "ORAL SWABS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD" "SOME CONNECTION TO THE EVENTS." "THESE INCLUDED SAMPLES FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE," "INCLUDING STEVEN'S BRANCH Stepfather TERRY HOBBS." "WE GAVE ALL THESE SAMPLES TO THOMAS FEDOR, WHO'S HERE TODAY." "HE'S AN INDEPENDENT FORENSIC Serologist." "THE RESULT OF THAT ANALYSIS IN MAY 2007" "Showed THAT A HAIR FROM A LIGATURE" "USED ​​TO TIE UP MICHAEL MOORE" "COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH TERRY HOBBS." "THE BIGGEST BOMB SHELL OF THE NEW DEFENSE INVESTIGATION" "IS THAT AN Unexplained HAIR THAT COULD BE FROM ANOTHER VICTIM'S Stepfather" "Was found on SHOELACES AT THE CRIME SCENE." "Lorri Davis:" "OVER THE LAST" "THREE WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS," "A GROUP OF PEOPLE" "FROM HERE IN ARKANSAS" "HAVE FORMED A CAMPAIGN" "CALLED "ARKANSAS TAKE ACTION. "" "Capi Peck:" "WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO THE STATE CAPITOL FOR A RALLY." "THERE'S BEEN SEARCH AN Outpouring of Support" "FOR A DECADE" "SUPPORTING THE West Memphis Three." "BUT ARKANSAS HAS BEEN Relatively Quiet." "WE HOPE THAT WITH OUR GRASSROOTS MOVEMENT" ""ARKANSAS TAKE ACTION"" "THAT Arkansans FROM ACROSS THE STATE WILL SPEAK OUT," "ASKING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS" "TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS NEW EVIDENCE" "AND TO GET THESE GUYS OUT OF PRISON." "NONE OF THE D.N.A. FROM ANY OF THE CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE" "COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH MR. ECHOLS" "OR MR. BALDWIN OR MR. Misskelley." "TERRY HOBBS Could Be THE SOURCE" "OF THAT HAIR ON THE LIGATURE." "APPROXIMATELY 1 1/2% OF THE POPULATION AT LARGE" "COULD BE THE SOURCE OF THAT HAIR." "NONE OF THE defendants Could Be" "THE SOURCE OF THAT HAIR ON THE LIGATURE." "Female reporter:" "TAKE A LOOK AT JUST HOW MUCH SUPPORT THEY HAVE" "THOUSANDS OF POSTCARDS," "SOME AS FAR AWAY AS LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA," "AND EUROPE, ALL SUPPORTING THE West Memphis Three." "Woman:" "DID YOU MURDER THE LITTLE BOYS?" "WELL, I'D HAVE TO LAUGH AT THAT AND SAY" "There's Something Wrong WITH SOMEONE WHO WOULD THINK THAT." "Male reporter:" "THAT DENIES Stepfather HAVING ANYTHING TO DO" "WITH THE MURDERS." "AND THE ARKANSAS ATTORNEY General's Office" "SAID IN THE STATEMENT IT WILL REVIEW AND RESPOND," "BUT WARNS "THE LEGAL PROCESS COULD TAKE MONTHS" "Possibly AND YEARS. "" "Female reporter:" "DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE AS CLOSE AS EVER" "TO ACTUALLY GETTING A NEW TRIAL?" "Lorri Davis:" "WE GET CLOSER EVERY DAY." "YEAH, SO WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING" "AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE FINALLY Uncovering," "I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER ALL THE TIME." "IT'S SAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT HERE" "TRYING TO GET SOME KILLERS OUT OF PRISON" "THAT DESERVE, EVERY ONE, TO BE HUNG BY A ROPE." "Natalie Maines:" "I WANTED TO SAY THANKS JUST FOR BEING HERE TODAY," "AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR ALL" "TO KNOW THAT WE ARE WATCHING THEM." "IT'S NOT ABOUT OPINION ANYMORE." "IT'S NOT ABOUT DEBATE." "IT'S ABOUT SCIENCE." "AND I URGE YOU ALL TO GO TO wm3.org" "AND DONATE TO THE DEFENSE FUND." "THE DONATIONS IS WHAT HAS PAID" "FOR THE FORENSIC TESTS" "AND THE D.N.A. TESTING" "THAT'S GOING TO SET THESE MEN FREE." "I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M honored to be here." "LORRI'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PERSON." "AND SHE'S WHAT HAS KEPT THIS GOING FOR 14 YEARS" "AND MADE PEOPLE NOT FORGET ABOUT THE West Memphis Three." "SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH." "(Cheering, applause)" "WELL, KELLY'S COURT IS BACK IN SESSION." "ON THE Docket TODAY-- MEET TERRY HOBBS." "THIS MAN SUED THE DIXIE CHICKS FOR DEFAMATION." "WHY?" "Natalie Maines HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT THIS CASE," "SAYING THAT NEW D.N.A. TESTING WOULD PROVE" "HOBBS WAS INVOLVED IN HIS OWN DEATH'S STEPSON." "Woman:" "Raise your right hand." "DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, The Whole Truth," " AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?" " I DO." "Man:" "MR. HOBBS, COULD YOU TELL" "THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY WHY YOU SUED MY CLIENT?" "FOR HER STATEMENTS AGAINST ME" "THAT SHE MADE ON THE INTERNET." "WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO GET OUT OF THE LAWSUIT?" "JUSTICE." " HOW DO YOU DEFINE JUSTICE?" " IN A COURT OF LAW." " YOU WANT MONEY, DO NOT YOU?" " I DO NOT WANT" "I WANT JUSTICE AS THE COURTS DEEM." "AN APOLOGY?" "IS THAT ENOUGH?" "WHATEVER THE COURTS DECIDE." "NO, I'M NOT ASKING WHAT-- I'M ASKING WHAT YOU WANT" "TO GET OUT OF THIS LAWSUIT, MR. HOBBS." "IF I WOULD SIT HERE,TO BE HONEST" "THAT'S WHAT I WANT." "I WANT YOU TO BE TOTALLY HONEST." "I WOULD SIT HERE AND SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE" "THE DIXIE CHICKS Humiliated" "LIKE theyhave Caused ME." "I THINK THAT'S A Little Bit FAIR." "Woman:" "MR. HOBBS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO" "GO INTO SOME MATERIAL NOW" "THAT MAY BE SENSITIVE." "AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT TRYING" "TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE OR YOU Embarrass." "IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'VE PLACED YOUR REPUTATION IN ISSUE" "BY BRINGING THIS LAWSUIT." "IT IS YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE NOT A VIOLENT MAN." "CORRECT." " AND YOU DO NOT FLY INTO Rages." " CORRECT." "Female reporter:" "PAM HOBBS SAYS LAST WEEKEND" "HER HUSBAND TERRY BEAT HER UP" "AT THEIR HOME IN MEMPHIS." "WHEN PAM'S FATHER AND BROTHER HEARD SHE'D BEEN BEATEN," "THEY WENT TO CHECK ON HER." "HE STARTED TELLING ME IT WAS NONE OF MY BUSINESS," "AND THEN NATURALLY JUST GOT MORE UPSET I" "AND STARTED HITTING HIM." "AND I TOOK HIM TO THE GROUND." "AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW, HE SHOT ME." "Female reporter:" "TERRY HOBBS FACES ASSAULT CHARGES" "AND HE IS NOW IN A JAIL MEMPHIS." "Woman:" "YOU DID BACKHAND PAM HOBBS" "THE NIGHT THAT YOU ENDED UP SHOOTING HER BROTHER, CORRECT?" " OK." " Is that correct?" "(Laughs) YEAH, ALL RIGHT." " THAT IS FUNNY?" " WELL, IT'S" "YOU GET TIRED OF TALKING AFTER A WHILE ABOUT IT." "WELL, SHE HAD BEEN Provoking ME" "FOR THREE DAYS OVER ONE SIMPLE WOMAN." " SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT?" " YOU MIGHT ASK HER." "DID YOU EVER VOW TO GET REVENGE ON PAM FOR KISSING ANOTHER MAN?" "NEVER." "DID PAM KISS ANOTHER MAN A FEW WEEKS BEFORE STEVIE DIED?" "I'm not sure WHEN, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED." "TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT." "SHE WAS KISSING THAT MEXICAN IN OUR HOUSE." "AND THAT HAPPENED A FEW WEEKS BEFORE STEVIE DIED?" "I'm not sure WHEN." "HOW WOULD WE BEST DETERMINE WHEN THAT OCCURRED?" "ASK THE MEXICAN." "LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PARAGRAPH 14" "PAM'S OF HOBBS DECLARATION." ""TWO WEEKS AFTER STEVIE DIED, TERRY LEFT TOWN." "HE SAID I WAS TOO MUCH TO HANDLE" "AND THAT HE COULD NOT STAY AROUND ME ANYMORE. "" " DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY?" " YOU DID." "AND IS THAT A TRUE PARAGRAPH?" "I'm not sure ABOUT THE TIME FRAME," "BUT, YEAH, I HAD TO GET AWAY." "ARE YOU GONNA BE ALL ABLE TO GET BACK TOGETHER" "OR IS THE MARRIAGE OVER?" "IT'S" " IT'S OVER." "DO YOU THINK YOU'D BE STILL TOGETHER" "IF STEVIE HAD NOT BEEN MURDERED?" "WELL ..." "WE HAD TROUBLE ANYWAY," "YOU KNOW, BE HONEST WITH YOU TO, BEFORE THIS HAPPENED." "AND HE ALWAYS TOLD ME" "THAT HE DO NOT GET MAD;" "HE GETS EVEN." "YOU KNOW, That's What HE HAD ALWAYS SAID TO ME." "Man:" "PAM SURE AS HECK THINKS THAT YOU DID IT, DOES NOT SHE?" "WHO THINKS DID WHAT?" "SHE THINKS YOU KILLED STEVIE." "SHE THINKS WHO KILLED STEVIE?" " YOU." " NO." " SHE DOES NOT THINK THAT?" " NO." " SHE DOES NOT THINK YOU WERE INVOLVED?" " NO." "A SICKENING FEELING, YEAH" "I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, HE" " HE COULD HAVE BEEN CAPABLE." "Woman:" "YOU'VE TOLD MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS" "OF WHAT YOU DID AFTER DROPPING PAM HOBBS OFF AT WORK" "AROUND 5:00 P.M. On May 5th OF 1993rd" "BUT IN ALL THOSE VERSIONS" "YOU WERE ALWAYS SEARCHING FOR STEVIE" "THE WHOLE TIME." "CORRECT?" "CORRECT." "NOW DAVID JACOBY IS SAYING" "THAT YOU CAME OVER TO HIS HOUSE" "AT 5: 00-SOMETHING AND PLAYED GUITAR" "FOR ABOUT AN HOUR." "I DO NOT RECALL THAT." "YOU'VE SAID Repeatedly THAT YOU WERE" "WITH MARK BYERS DANA AND MOORE" "AT 6:00 P.M.," "BUT DANA MOORE AND MARK BYERS SAY YOU WERE NOT." "YOU SAY YOU WERE NOT EVER ALONE" "ON THE NIGHT OF MAY 5th AND THE MORNING OF MAY 6th," "AND YET DAVID SAYS JACOBY YOU LEFT HIS HOUSE" "TWICE ALONE." "THAT'S CORRECT, IS NOT IT, SIR?" "I DO NOT KNOW." "NO ONE CAN corroborate BEING WITH YOU" "OR YOUR Whereabouts" "FOR THE PERIOD TIME FROM 6:00 P.M." "8:00 TO 8:30 P.M. OR Is not that true, sir?" "SO?" "SO MY POINT IS THERE'S NOT ANY WITNESS" "NOT ANY OF YOUR ALIBI WITNESSES" "CAN CONFIRM YOUR Whereabouts" "FROM 6:00 P.M. TO 8:30 P.M." " Is not that true, sir?" " AND YOU'RE SAYING WHAT?" "I'M SAYING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE AN ALIBI WITNESS" "FOR TWO TO 2 1/2 HOURS ON THE EVENING OF THE MURDERS." "I DO NOT KNOW." " DOES THAT CONCERN YOU?" " NO." "Man:" "DID YOU SEE AT ALL STEVIE THAT DAY, MAY THE 5th?" "NO, I DID NOT." "YOU DID NOT SEE STEVIE OR MICHAEL MOORE" "OR CHRISTOPHER BYERS AT ALL" " On May 5th OF 1993?" " I did not." "Man:" "IF SOMEBODY Testifies" "THEY SAW YOU WITH THAT THE BOYS THAT NIGHT--?" "DO WHAT?" "IF SOMEBODY testified Thatthey Saw You AND THE BOYS," "THEY WOULD BE LYING?" "MM-HMM, THEY WOULD BE LYING." " 'Cause you never FOUND THE BOYS?" " NO, I NEVER FOUND THEM." " NEVER FOUND THEM ALIVE?" " NEVER FOUND THEM AT ALL." "OKAY." "Man # 2:" "SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO TESTIFY" "THEY SAW THAT THE THREE LITTLE BOYS" "STANDING BEHIND YOU" "ON THE EVENING OF MAY THE 5th ..." "Man # 1:" "PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT YOU WENT TO PICK UP PAM," "THEY'D BE MISTAKEN?" "MOST DEFINITELY." "I CAN NOT WAIT TO HEAR THAT ONE." "(Chuckles)" "STEVEN BRANCH LIVED THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM OUR HOUSE." "AND THEY CAME THROUGH RIGHT HERE." "THEY ZOOMED THROUGH." "THERE USED TO BE A BUNCH OF BUSHES RIGHT HERE," "AND THEY ALL ZOOMED THROUGH AND WENT DOWN THE SIDEWALK." "WE CAME OUTSIDE TO GO TO CHURCH AT 6:30." "AND I yelled AT CHRISTOPHER TO GO HOME," "AND HE SAID, "I DO NOT HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO. "" "I SAID, "OK, WHATEVER" YOU KNOW." "AND WE GOT THE CAR IN TO GO TO CHURCH." "BUT I SAW TERRY COMING DOWN THE SIDEWALK HERE," "COMING THIS DIRECTION." "AND HE WAS CALLING FOR STEVEN" "TO COME BACK DOWN TO THEIR HOUSE." "AND WE GOT THE CAR IN AND LEFT," "BUT THEY WERE-- Theywere TOGETHER" "WHEN WE WENT PAST THEM." "AS WE WERE Driving by," "STEVEN WHAT ON HIS BIKE RIDING" "AND CHRISTOPHER AND MICHAEL WERE RUNNING BEHIND HIM." "Theywere LAUGHING." "They Were Having Fun" "LIKE EVERYTIME I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE THEM." "They Were Just having fun LIKE ANY OTHER REGULAR DAY." "AND WE Drove BY." "THEY WERE" "Theywere RIGHT HERE NEAR TERRY'S HOUSE." "HE WAS SITTING OUTSIDE, CALLING FOR STEVEN." "AND theywere STILL LAUGHING." "Theywere LAUGHING RIGHT HERE." "AND I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT." "AS WE Drove BY, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE SAW THEM." "THE POLICE OR NO ONE EVER CAME BY OUR HOUSE." "WE KIND OF THOUGHT They Might," "BECAUSE WE LIVE Three Doors Down, BUT NO ONE EVER CAME BY." "THIS PAST YEAR," "Theywere MAKING A BIG DEAL" "ABOUT THE TIP LINE ON OUR NEWS." "AND I THINK I HEARD A Long Time Ago" "Thatthey WENT MISSING AT, LIKE, 6:00." "I SAID TO MYSELF, "I THINK Thatthey NEED TO KNOW" "THAT theywere AROUND OUR HOUSE PLAYING AT 6:30." "Theywere OVER HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD." "I THOUGHT THAT TERRY WOULD TELL THEM" "THAT HE WAS WITH THE BOYS THAT DAY." "I Never Knew UNTIL THIS YEAR" "THAT HE WAS SAYING THAT HE DID NOT SEE THEM AT ALL." "HE'S NOT TELLING THE TRUTH." "HE WAS OUT THERE WITH THEM." "Terry Hobbs:" "I DID NOT KNOW I WAS BEING Investigated." "NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS TRUE." "AND IT'S JUST" "The only thing REALLY THAT'S EVER bothered ME" "IS KNOWING THAT They've TAKEN MY NAME" "AND SAID WHAT THEY'VE SAID ABOUT ME." "I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT DEPOSITIONS." "YOU KNOW, STAY OUT OF THAT." "(Laughs)" "Woman:" "ThisNext QUESTION I'M ASKING" "With all due respect TO YOU" "AND TO THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department," "AND I'M NOT BEING Facetious AT ALL," "BUT IT Appears THAT THE WEST MEMPHIS Police Department" "AND THE Prosecutors" "HAVE never looked AT TERRY HOBBS" "ONE OF THE Stepfathers OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS-- SERIOUSLY" "AS BEING A PERSON OF INTEREST" "OR EVEN A POSSIBLE SUSPECT IN THIS CASE." "AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN GONE FOR A LONG TIME." "Do you have" "ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IS THAT" "OR ANY EXPLANATION OF WHY That would be?" "UH, I REALLY CAN NOT COMMENT ON IT." "YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE Talking About" "WHAT ACTUALLY transpired IN THAT INVESTIGATION." "WHY IS THAT?" "AND THE REASON I AM IS UNCOMFORTABLE ..." "THERE IS A WEALTH OF MONEY" "SUPPORTING THE West Memphis Three" "IN GETTING THEM OUT OF JAIL." "NOW I BELIEVE-- Personally I BELIEVE" "THEY'RE GUILTY OF THE CRIME." "TWO juries SAID They Were Guilty of IT." "I'M AFRAID I COULD SAY SOMETHING inappropriately." "I COULD BE WRONG." "I Could Be forgetful." "AND I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING" "WOULD CAUSE THEM THAT TO GET A NEW TRIAL" "JUST BASED ON A COMMENT I MAKE." "DO NOT PUT THAT MONKEY ON MY BACK" "THAT I'VE SAID SOMETHING Incorrectly" "OVER 16 YEARS THAT I MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER," "THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENTITLED TO A NEW TRIAL" "FOR SOMETHING I SAID?" "NO." "THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS THE CASE." " Fair enough." " IF THEY HAVE NEW EVIDENCE," "HEY, I'M ALL FOR IT." "GO FOR IT." "John Douglas:" "I LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES." "I LOOKED AND REVIEWED THE INFORMATION" "RELATIVE TO THE CASE" "AND PRETTY-- PRETTY CLEARLY," "AND IT'S PRETTY EASY TO ME" "TO DEFINE THIS CASE AS A PERSONAL CAUSE HOMICIDE." "THIS IS NOT A HOMICIDE EITHER perpetrated By A Stranger." "THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRIME KNEW THESE VICTIMS" "AND KNEW THESE VICTIMS Relatively WELL." "The Question I'D ASK MYSELF IS, IF THE MOTIVATION IS MURDER," "IF THE INITIAL INTENT IS MURDER, GO AHEAD AND KILL." "WHY DID THE SUBJECT DECIDE TO TIE UP THE VICTIMS" "AFTER STRIPPING THEM DOWN NAKED?" "I BELIEVE THE INITIAL INTENT, IN MY ANALYSIS," "WHAT NOT TO KILL, BUT WHAT TO TAUNT" "AND TO PUNISH-- PUNISH THESE INDIVIDUALS." "I SAW CRIMINAL SOPHISTICATION AT THE CRIME SCENE." "THE TYING OF THE Wrists TO THE ANKLES" "I SEARCHED CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD." "I COULD NOT COME UP WITH SIMILAR TYPES OF CASES." "WHEN I SAW THE OFFENDER DECIDE TO GET INTO THE WATER" "AND TO THE CLOTHING SECRETE BY PUSHING DOWN THE STICKS" "THE STICKS IN THE CLOTHING, HIDING THE CLOTHING" "Alongwith THE THREE VICTIMS," "USING THAT KIND OF Concerted EFFORT" "WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TEENAGERS COMMITTING CRIMES LIKE THIS." "WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO'S Relatively Criminally SOPHISTICATED." "WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN VIOLENT IN THE PAST," "WHO'S VIOLENT NOW AND AT THE TIME THIS CRIME WHAT perpetrated," "AND WOULD ALSO BE VIOLENT IN THE FUTURE." "THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRIME" "CAN Look At You RIGHT IN THE EYE-- CAN LOOK AT A CAMERA" "AND SAY THAT "I DID NOT DO IT."" "BECAUSE IT'S THE Psychopathic PERSONALITY." "THERE IS No Remorse." "ANYONE WHO PERPETRATES A CRIME LIKE THIS" "AND LEAVES THE VICTIMS LIKE THIS IN THIS CONDITION" "IS ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIMSELF." "YOU COULD PUT HIM ON THE POLYGRAPH-- HE'LL PASS THE POLYGRAPH," "PARTICULARLY IF IT'S 14 YEARS LATER." "WHEN JOHN DOUGLAS TOLD ME" "THAT TERRY HOBBS ' RECORD AND BACKGROUND" "MADE ME LOOK LIKE A Boy Scout," "I ALMOST FELL OUT." "AND HE WAS DEAD SERIOUS." "HERE'S A WORLD-renowned, 30-YEAR," "Probably the FINEST PROFILER IN F.B.I. HISTORY." "I WAS NERVOUS JUST BEING AROUND HIM," "THINKING HE'S PROFILING ME." "HE TOLD ME HE HAD DONE THAT A Long Time Ago." "HE KNEW I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT." "I'VE BEEN ASKED, "Do You Think" "You're doing TO TERRY HOBBS WHAT WAS DONE TO YOU? "" "NO, NO, NO." "I'M TALKING ABOUT FACTS." "I'M TALKING ABOUT D.N.A. I'M TALKING ABOUT NO ALIBI." "I'M TALKING ABOUT LIES AFTER LIES LIES AFTER." "(Tuning)" "HOLD THIS Why do not you AND LET ME HOLD THAT?" "AND I'LL TUNE IT REAL QUICK." "Do not Make Me REACH OVER AND SLAP SOMEBODY." "(Muttering)" "BROTHERS." "Tina Hobbs:" "GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS AND WHY THEY HAPPEN." "WE DO NOT, BUT HE DOES." "AND WE HAVE TO TRUST IN HIM." "SO I CAN TELL YOU, There's Always Gonna Be TALK." "YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR US, WE DO NOT LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF" "THAT IS ON THE TV AND THIS AND THAT" "THAT HAS BEEN SAID, BECAUSE WE KNOW, YOU KNOW," "THAT, NO, YOU KNOW, TERRY Could not have BEEN" "THAT, YOU KNOW, HE DID NOT DO THIS THING." "THIS IS NOT TERRY." "TERRY'S" "I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW." "Michael Hobbs:" "HAVE NEVER CHANGED I MY MIND" "FROM THE CONVICTION." "I do not care WHAT ALL THEM OTHER PEOPLE PUT ON THAT INTERNET," "I have never CHANGED MY MIND." "I'M JUST LIKE THE STATE OF ARKANSAS" "AND I'M JUST LIKE THE LEGAL SYSTEM." "I BELIEVE IN JUSTICE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS SERVED." "THEY, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH TRIAL AND EVERYTHING." "THEY DID WHAT THEY DID." "THEY ARRESTED THREE BOYS." "UNTIL WE GET TOLD OTHERWISE, WE Still Believe" "THAT'S THE ONES THAT Should Have BEEN THERE" "UNTIL WE GET TOLD OTHERWISE." "I HAD SOMETHING MADE" "JUST THE Pros and Cons OF TERRY HOBBS." "THIS PRETTY WELL Speaks for itself." "TWO ITEMS That would be ON THE INNOCENT SIDE" "THAT HE NEEDED TO TRY TO RAIN THREE VICTIMS REST." "SOME SAY THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT." "Not really." "ONCE HE HIT ONE CHILD, THE OTHER TWO" "Probably froze LIKE A DEER IN HEADLIGHTS." "ACCORDING TO THE MEDICAL REPORTS," "ALL THREE CHILDREN BASICALLY" "FROM BLOWS TO THE HEAD WOULD HAVE DIED." "AND THEN POSSIBLE SECONDARY TRANSFER" "THAT'S Referring TO HIS HAIR" "THAT WAS FOUND IN A LIGATURE" "TIED TO ONE OF THE CHILDREN." "THAT'S ALL ABOUT ON THE SIDE PRO YOU COULD FIND." "LET'S LOOK AT THE GUILTY." "MOTIVE, MEANS, AND OPPORTUNITY." "HE HAD A VIOLENT PAST." "HE WORKED IN A SLAUGHTERHOUSE." "AND HE ADMITS BEING IN THE WOODS AT 6:30." "TERRY HOBBS ADMITS IT." "NO ONE ELSE PUTS HIM THERE." "HE PUTS HIMSELF THERE." "NO ALIBI." "CAN NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE CRUCIAL TIMES" "FROM 6:30 TO 8:00, 8:30 TO 9:00, 10:00 to 11:15 AND FROM 2:30 TO 5:00 A.M." "THAT'S A LOT OF CAP IN TIME OF," "WHAT WERE YOU DOING, MR. HOBBS?" "Where Were You?" "CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN WITH JACOBY" "AT TIMES, JACOBY DENIES." "NOW HERE'S YOUR OWN WITNESS Denying WHAT YOU SAID." "TO ME, THAT DOES NOT LOOK TOO GOOD." "NOT CLEARED OR Interviewed BY THE POLICE." "NOW THERE, THE WEST MEMPHIS P. D., 101," "TOTALLY FELL ON THEIR FACE." "THEY DID NOT GO TALK TO TERRY HOBBS" "QUESTION ABOUT HIM AND WHAT HE DID THAT NIGHT." "DID NOT TREAT HIM THEY THE WAY THEY TREATED ME." "INCONSISTENT STATEMENT" "HE NEVER SAW ANY OF THE BOYS THAT DAY." "WE KNOW That's wrong." "HE WAS SEEN BY THREE WITNESSES THAT WERE NEIGHBORS." "THAT Could Have COME OUT" "BACK ON MAY 5th 6th OR IF THE WEST MEMPHIS P. D." "WOULD HAVE CANVASSED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD." "THEY JUST CANVASSED This neighborhood," "NEVER WENT AROUND AND ASKED ANY OF HOBBS ' NEIGHBORS A WORD." "THEY'D HAVE TOLD THEM THAT BACK THEN." "HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN HIS LIE THEN." "HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LAST PERSON TO Haveseen THEM." "THE POLICE HAVE WOULD IN ON HIM ZEROED INSTEAD OF DAMIEN" "AND THEY WOULD HAVE GOT THE REAL KILLER" "AND WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TALKING TODAY." "I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS WAS PRESENTED TO A JURY," "THEY WOULD FIND TERRY HOBBS GUILTY." "THIS IS MORE EVIDENCE AND FACTS" "THAN AGAINST THE West Memphis Three" "OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE." "Man:" "I'M GONNA DIRECT THIS, I GUESS, TO THE D.N.A. EXPERTS." "OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, IT SEEMS THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN" "IT'S BEEN DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE POPPED UP" "AS KIND OF BEING SUSPECTS IN THIS CASE." "AND I HAVE TO ASK, IS THERE REALLY SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH" "D.N.A. EVIDENCE That Could POINT TO TERRY HOBBS?" "MY PERSONAL OPINION IS NOT THINK THAT I DO HAIR THAT EVIDENCE" "WOULD BE ENOUGH TO CONVICT MR. HOBBS" "OR ANYBODY IN A SIMILAR SITUATION," "BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY NOT STRONG ENOUGH." "THE Percentages THAT I GAVE OF PEOPLE" "WHO COULD BE THE SOURCE OF THOSE HAIRS" "ARE 1 1/2% OF THE POPULATION." "THAT'S Not particularly STRONG EVIDENCE," "AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF" "WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE accustomed TO WITH D.N.A. TESTING." "Woman:" "SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "THE POINT OF BRINGING IT UP IS NOT TO SAY THAT HOBBS DID IT," "BUT IT'S JUST TO SAY, ONE COULD THINK IT MIGHT BE More likely" "THAT HOBBS WOULD HAVE DONE IT VERSUS DAMIEN," "BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THERE AT ALL?" "THE LAST THING AS DEFENSE LAWYERS" "WE WOULD INTEND TO DO" "IS indict AND SOMEONE CONVICT" "BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT Dieser CASE." "THE EVIDENCE AS TO HOBBS" "I DO NOT THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE VIEWED THAT WAY." "BUT IT IS EVIDENCE That would LEAD ANY REASONABLE JUDGE" "TO acquit DAMIEN ECHOLS?" "YES, IT WOULD." "Male reporter:" "DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ANNOUNCED" "THEY HAD NEW D.N.A. EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS NO TRACE OF ECHOLS" "OR THE OTHER defendants AT THE CRIME SCENE." "EVEN SOME OF THE VICTIMS 'RELATIVES" "WHO INITIALLY AGREED WITH THE Verdicts ..." "That's what ALL THREE OF 'EM ARE-- PUNKS." "PUNKS." "... NOW THINK THE MEN IN JAIL ARE INNOCENT." "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER TRIAL." "Give 'em A FAIR TRIAL." "PRESENT THE EVIDENCE" "THAT REALLY WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THE OTHER TRIALS." "AND IF THEY'RE GUILTY, SO BE IT." "THAT'S WHERE THEY STAY." "BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, GOD, DO NOT PUT SOMEBODY TO DEATH," "BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OOPS." "AS DAMIEN'S LAWYERS, WE ARE NOT TAKING ON" "THE BURDEN OF PROVING WHO ACTUALLY COMMITTED THESE CRIMES." "THE QUESTION FOR THE COURT SHOULD BE AND WILL BE," "WOULD A REASONABLE juror, AT THE ENTIRE LOOKING PICTURE NOW" "ALL THE EVIDENCE OF GUILT, ALL THE EVIDENCE Of Innocence," "EVERYTHING THAT WAS Admitted AT TRIAL, Everything That Surfaced THEREAFTER" "LOOKING AT THAT" "AND THROWING INTO THE MIX THE D.N.A. RESULTS," "WOULD A REASONABLE JUDGE CONVICT These People TODAY?" "AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO." "Female reporter:" "JUDGE DAVID BURNETT Tentatively SET UP HEARINGS" "FOR NEXT MONTH IF THERE IS TO DETERMINE ENOUGH EVIDENCE" "TURN OVER THE CONVICTIONS TO OF THE West Memphis Three." "DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WANT TO PRESENT NEW D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "THEY HOPE WILL LEAD TO A NEW TRIAL." "JUDGE BURNETT MADE IT CLEAR" "HE COULD FOLLOW Prosecutors' SUGGESTIONS" "THAT THE D.N.A. EVIDENCE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A NEW TRIAL" "OR to overturn THE CONVICTIONS." "IF JUDGE BURNETT RULES IN FAVOR OF THE STATE'S OPINION" "ON ECHOLS'S D.N.A. PLEADING, THIS WELL COULD BE VERY" "THE END OF THE ROAD FOR HIS DEFENSE." "IN THE NEWSROOM, Will Carter, REGION 8 NEWS." "IN SEPTEMBER JUDGE DAVID BURNETT," "WHO presided OVER BOTH TRIALS," "RULED HE WOULD NOT HEAR ANY NEW EVIDENCE IN THE CASE." "DAMIEN ECHOLS SO IS NOW Appealing HIS CASE" "TO THE ARKANSAS SUPREME COURT," "WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY upheld THE CONVICTION." "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE ARKANSAS SUPREME COURT" "IS GOING TO ARTIST THE D.N.A. STATUTE." "SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE ENORMOUS implications" "FOR EVERYBODY WHO COMES IN THEIR WAKE." "I'M Thinking About WHEN WE ARGUE THIS" "IN THE ARKANSAS SUPREME COURT," "THE APPROACH WE WANT TO TAKE IS," ""Justices, you may be aware THIS SPECIFIC CASE THAT" "HAS garnered A LOT OF INTEREST," "BUT THE INTERESTS AT STAKE HERE ARE A LOT BROADER" "THAN THE THREE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THE COURT," "Even Though One Of Those LITERALLY HAS HIS LIFE ON THE LINE. "" "Riordan:" "GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONORS." "IF IT PLEASE THE COURT," "Obviously, SINCE MY CLIENT IS SENTENCED TO DEATH," "THE RESOLUTION THIS CASE OF" "IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO HIM." "BUT THE INTERESTS AT STAKE HERE ARE FAR BROADER." "THAT IS BECAUSE AND WE ARE DEALING WITH" "PURE QUESTIONS OF LAW ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION" "OF WHAT I'LL CALL "THE STATUTES D.N.A.."" "WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS ARKANSAS STATUTE?" "THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THAT STATUTE" "THAT SAYS THAT IF THE D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "EXCLUDES THE Defendant" "AS THE SOURCE OF THE D.N.A.," "WHICH IT DID IN OUR CASE," "THEN THE TRIAL COURT HAS TO CONSIDER ALL THE EVIDENCE," "Whether IT WAS Admitted AT TRIAL OR NOT," "TO SEE WHAT A REASONABLE JUDGE WOULD DO TODAY." "THIS STATUTE WAS PASSED TO THE INNOCENT exonerate." "THE STATE HAS REALLY PROPOSED" "AN INTERPRETATION Orwellian OF THE TERM "ALL."" ""ALL" SIMPLY MEANS ALL." "Horgan:" "THE STATE TOOK THE POSITION" "THAT IN WEIGHING ALL THE EVIDENCE," "WHAT THE STATUTE Meant to say What" "THAT THE COURT CONSIDER ONLY ALL THE EVIDENCE OF GUILT," "BUT NOT THE EVIDENCE Of Innocence," "WHICH IS nonsensical," "BECAUSE, OF COURSE," "IF A COURT TRIAL WERE TO LOOK AT THE D.N.A. EVIDENCE," "BUT THEN ONLY CONSIDER ALL THE EVIDENCE OF GUILT," "THE COURT WOULD NOT BE Considering EVERYTHING" "THAT MAKES A compelling CASE FOR INNOCENCE." "Judge:" "LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, MR. RIORDAN." "Let's focus ON THE EVIDENCE SITUATION" "AND LET'S SAY THAT I AGREE WITH YOU" "MAYBE THAT THE TRIAL JUDGE WHAT IN ERROR" "WITH RESPECT TO JUST LIMITING THE EVIDENCE TO EVIDENCE OF GUILT." "WHAT EVIDENCE THEN WOULD BE CONSIDERED?" "WOULD IT BE THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE TRIAL" "OR EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER OCCURRED THE LAST 17 YEARS?" "DO NOT THINK THAT IT I CAN BE READ Rationally" "OTHER THAN TO SAY THE COURT MUST CONSIDER" "THAT IS, PLACE IN THE SCALE" "NOT ONLY THE EVIDENCE OF GUILT" "BUT ALSO ALL OTHER EVIDENCE," "Whether or not Admitted AT THE FIRST TRIAL." "THE COURT WILL Recognize The Counselor." "GOOD MORNING." "MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT," "MR. ECHOLS HAS BEEN TO THIS COURT" "SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST DECADE" "CHALLENGING HIS CONVICTION" "DIRECTLY AND COLLATERALLY," "AND THIS STATUTE DOES NOT CALL FOR A retrial." "IT'S NOT ABOUT TRYING AGAIN SOMEBODY" "FOR THE STATE TO PROVE GUILT TWICE." "COUNSELOR, WHAT HARM IS THERE IN Allowing HIM" "TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE FROM THE LAST 17 YEARS?" "I'M SORRY?" "WHAT HARM IS THERE IN Allowing HIM" "TO PRESENT ALL EVIDENCE?" "WELL, THE HARM IS IN THE Finality OF A CRIMINAL JUDGMENT" "THAT IS NOT Demonstrated TO HAVE" "ANY CONSTITUTIONAL OR PROCEDURAL DEFECT" "AND JUST TO TRY IT AGAIN." "I MEAN, YOU'RE Suggesting, IT SOUNDS TO ME, JUSTICE," "AS THOUGH EVERY 15 OR 17 YEARS OR SO," "We really ought TRY AGAIN TO CASES TO RE ESTABLISH GUILT." "I THINK IT'S-- I THINK IT'S CLEAR" "THAT THE Animating PURPOSE HERE IS NOT To retry." "SO THE HARM IS" "IS TO THE Criminal Justice SYSTEM'S INTEREST IN Finality" "AND THE WORK THAT GETS DONE" "IN EVALUATING" "Whether or not JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED" "IN EACH OF THE FORUM THAT MR. ECHOLS HAS BEEN ALREADY THROUGH." "IT SOUNDS AS IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS" "THAT ALL EVIDENCE OF GUILT WILL BE CONSIDERED," "BUT IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT" "TO ADMIT ALL OTHER EVIDENCE" "THAT MAY HAVE BEEN Exculpatory." "I THINK THAT'S-- THAT IS THE CASE." "IT'S THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE REASON" "THE COURT Concluded CIRCUIT THAT RELIEF SHOULD BE DENIED." "AND TO ME, THAT'S-- THAT'S A REASONABLE STATUTE." "BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY, "ALL OTHER EVIDENCE OF GUILT "?" "I Understand THAT IT DOES NOT Expressly SAY THAT." "BUT YOU HAVE TO ARTIST THE STATUTE" "IN LIGHT OF ITS Animating PURPOSE." "AND YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET IT IN LIGHT OF Rules of Grammar." "I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR CONSTRUCTION." "I'M HAVING TROUBLE FOLLOWING." "IF THE TESTING HAS TO PROVE YOU'RE INNOCENT, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN NEED A HEARING?" "WELL, AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BACK CONTEXT TO, YOUR HONOR." "WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CLEAR MEANING OF THE STATUTE." "I Understand Your CONTEXT ARGUMENT," "BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CLEAR LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE." "Riordan:" "IT COMES OUT OF A MIND SET THAT SAYS," ""OUR JOB AS Prosecutors IS JUST TO MAKE SURE" "THAT EVERYBODY WE Prosecute IS CONVICTED," "EVERYBODY WHO'S SENTENCED TO DEATH IS KILLED." "THIS IS A wrestling match TO THE DEATH," "AND We've Got TO MAKE SURE" "THAT WE COME OUT ON TOP IN EACH INSTANCE. "" "THE Legislature, IN ITS WISDOM, RECOGNIZED" "THAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM," "LIKE ALL HUMAN Endeavors, SOMETIMES IS flawed." "BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TAKEN THE POSITION" "THAT THE Criminal Justice SYSTEM IS FREE OF ERROR" "AND THEREFORE IS Effectively DIVINE." "I QUOTE FROM THEIR LETTERS IN THE CIRCUIT COURT:" ""THE STATE DOES NOT SHRINK FROM ECHOLS 'CHARGE" "THAT RELIEF MAY NEVER BE GRANTED" "UNDER THIS VIEW OF THE STATUTE "" " ITS VIEW" ""BUT IT EMBRACES OUT OF CONFIDENCE" "THAT THE ARKANSAS CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM" "DOES NOT CONVICT THE INNOCENT. "" "THE STATE HAS TAKEN A POSITION" "THAT'S NOT DIRECTED ONLY ABOUT Denying RELIEF" "TO MR. ECHOLS, MR. BALDWIN, MR. Misskelley," "Ensuring BUT THAT NO ONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO GET RELIEF" "UNDER THE ARKANSAS D.N.A. STATUTES." "Riordan YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED." "THANK YOU VERY MUCH." "Riordan:" "I THANK THE COURT FOR ITS ATTENTION" "AND Recognize THE COURT MAY FEEL THAT THE APPROPRIATE REMEDY" "IS A remand THE TRIAL COURT TO FOR AN evidentiary hearing." " Thank you, Your Honor." " THANK YOU VERY MUCH." "THE CLOCK ON MY HEAD-- IT Is not Got No HANDS ON IT For a reason." "TO ME, IT MEANS TIME IS STANDING STILL." "MY TIME IS STANDING STILL." "EVERYBODY ELSE'S TIME IS MOVING FORWARD." "BUT IT IS HERE, WHAT, ALMOST 18 YEARS LATER?" "WHATEVER TIME IT IS" "WHEN, YOU KNOW, FINALLY THE POLICE LET ME OUT," "That's what TIME I'm gonna PUT UP THERE." "I'VE SPENT NEARLY 60% OF MY LIFE Incarcerated NOW." "AND I'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY" "THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT," "YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT, ENJOY IT." "NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU MAY Perceive IT TO BE" "OR HOW GOOD YOU MAY Perceive IT TO BE," "YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT," "BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW." "YOU KNOW, I JUST TRY TO DO MY BEST EVERY DAY," "YOU KNOW, Regardless OF THE SITUATION." "WE TAKE THE HANDS WE'RE DEALT." "WE MAKE THE MOST OF IT." "THAT'S THE WAY WE MAKE IT THROUGH LIFE." "Damien:" "YOU NEVER, EVER GET SUNLIGHT." "HAVE NOT BEEN I EXPOSED TO SUNLIGHT" "IN ALMOST SEVEN YEARS NOW." "YOU'RE IN A CELL" "Pretty much," "FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, 24 hours a day, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK." "IF I FOCUSED ON THE THINGS I CAN NOT CHANGE," "THE THINGS HAVE HURT ME THAT, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ME," "THEN THEY would've ALREADY BROKEN ME." "THEY HAVE would've KILLED ME inside and out." "I GET UP IN THE MORNING" "AND I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR MYSELF." "I DO NOT HATE MY LIFE." "YOU HAVE A LOT PEOPLE IN HERE THAT OF" "ALL THEY CAN THINK ABOUT IS WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE" "AND HOW MUCH THEY WANT OUT" "AND HOW MUCH THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE." "BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS SITUATION HAS helped me" "TO SEE MORE OF WHAT I DO HAVE" "AND TO BE THANKFUL FOR THAT." "YOU KNOW, I HAVE-- IN A LOT OF WAYS" "I HAVE A TRULY INCREDIBLE LIFE." "Darrell Greene:" "IN LESS THAN 17 HOURS, THE FATES OF DAMIEN ECHOLS" "JASON BALDWIN, AND JESSIE misskelley COULD BE DECIDED." "A SPECIAL HEARING Jonesboro" "WILL BRING TOGETHER FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS" "AND THE THREE CONVICTED MURDERERS" "KNOWN AS THE West Memphis Three" "FOR WHAT COULD BE AN EXPLOSIVE RESOLUTION IN THIS CASE INFAMOUS." "(Police Siren whooping)" "(Police radio chatter)" "Male reporter:" "NOW JUDGE DAVID BURNETT-- HE WAS THE JUDGE" "WHO REJECTED THAT THE NEW D.N.A. TESTING SHOULD GET THEM A NEW TRIAL" "HE WAS ELECTED TO THE STATE SENATE LAST YEAR," "SO A NEW JUDGE, JUDGE DAVID LASER, WHAT appointed." "THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE CASE." "ALSO THE SUPREME COURT Disagreed WITH FORMER JUDGE BURNETT" "AND SAID THE D.N.A. TESTING DID WARRANT AT LEAST A HEARING" "TO CONSIDER The Possibility OF A NEW TRIAL." "NOW THAT HEARING WHAT ARE SET FOR DECEMBER," "BUT YESTERDAY JUDGE LASER AND THE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED" "SURPRISED BY EVERYBODY CALLING THIS HEARING TODAY." "Male Reporter # 2:" "IT COULD ALL COME TO AN END" "OR JUST MARK THE BEGINNING FOR EVEN more of the same." "Male reporter:" "SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN?" "ARE THEY JUST LITERAL" "I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN CONVICTED OF KILLING THESE KIDS." "ARE THEY JUST GOING TO WALK OUT OF JAIL?" "Female reporter:" "WELL, WHAT WE HAVE HEARD, WHAT HAPPEN TODAY COULD" "IS THAT THEY COULD ENTER SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL CALLED "ALFORD PLEAS."" "AND THE THREE MEN WILL SAY, "LOOK, WE ARE INNOCENT," "BUT IN ORDER TO GET OUT OF JAIL, WE WILL PLEAD GUILTY. "" "I AM DAVID LASER," "CIRCUIT JUDGE, DIVISION NINE," "THE SECOND Judicial District" "STATE OF THE OF ARKANSAS." "SUBJECT TO THE COURT'S APPROVAL," "CERTAIN dispositive AGREEMENTS Havebeen REACHED" "BY AND BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE defendants IN THIS CASE." "The Alford PLEA" "IT'S A GUILTY PLEA WITH A PROFESSION OF INNOCENCE." "IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, MR. ECHOLS," "MR. BALDWIN, MR. Misskelley," "IF YOU WOULD STAND, PLEASE ..." "MR. ECHOLS, how do you WISH TO PLEAD IN THIS CASE?" "MR. BALDWIN, HOW DO YOU CHOOSE TO PLEAD IN THIS CASE?" "THE SAME AS Relates TO YOU, MR. Misskelley," "HOW DO YOU WISH TO PLEAD?" "ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU." "THE COURT FINDS EACH OF THE defendants" "Guilty of first degree murder AND THE MODIFIED CHARGES ... (Voice fades)" "AT THIS MOMENT THE West Memphis Three ARE FREE." "Female anchor:" "OKAY, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THEN, DAVID," "IT'S NOT THAT THESE CONVICTIONS WERE overturned." "THEY ARE STILL GUILTY, BUT WERE FREED THEY." "NOW AT THE ROOT this-- Dieser CHANGE" "IS D.N.A. EVIDENCE" "OR LACK THEREOF." "IS THAT CORRECT?" "Male reporter:" "THAT WAS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS" "THAT CAME TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION THIS YEAR." "NOW, IF NOT THEY DID GO THROUGH WITH THIS DEAL TODAY," "THOSE THREE WOULD HAVE BEEN Probably GRANTED" "A NEW TRIAL LATER THIS YEAR." "BUT THAT TRIAL HAVE TAKEN YEARS COULD TO COMPLETE." "SO THE JUDGE-- AGAIN, RIDE RATING," ""This was IN THE BEST INTERESTS " HE SAID, 'FOR EVERYONE. "" "THIS IS NOT RIGHT." "AND THE PEOPLE OF ARKANSAS NEED TO STAND UP AND RAISE HELL," "BECAUSE THREE INNOCENT MEN" "ARE GONNA HAVE TO CLAIM TODAY" "THAT THEY'RE GUILTY FOR A CRIME THEY DID NOT KNOW," "AND THAT'S BULLSHIT." " Woman:" "AMEN." " (Crowd cheering)" "THEY'RE INNOCENT." "They did not KILL MY SON." "AND THIS IS WRONG" "WHAT THE STATE OF ARKANSAS IS DOING" "TO COVER THEIR ASS." "AND I'M SICK OF IT." "BECAUSE THE REAL KILLER IS WALKING AROUND FREE." "SOME ARE HAPPY, SOME ARE ANGRY, AND SOME ARE Perplexed." "AND THAT'S THE CASE AT THE END OF EVERY TRIAL." "AND THIS ONE IS NO DIFFERENT." "GUILT OR INNOCENCE WHAT NEVER ON THE TABLE." "TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS ALLOWS THE defendants" "TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GUILTY," "BUT IN FACT THEY JUST PLED GUILTY." "THE LEGAL TANGLE THAT HAS BECOME KNOWN" "AS THE West Memphis Three CASE IS NOW FINISHED." "Woman:" "DAMIEN, WITH THE PLEA ALFORD," "YOU HAD TO SAY, FOR THE COURT'S PURPOSE," "THAT YOU'RE GUILTY OF A CRIME" "THAT YOU professed TO THE JUDGE THAT DID NOT COMMIT YOU." " RIGHT." " IS THIS JUSTICE?" "IS THIS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR?" "IT IS BITTERSWEET?" "IT'S NOT PERFECT." "IT'S NOT PERFECT By Any Means." "BUT AT LEAST IT BRINGS CLOSURE" "TO SOME AREAS AND SOME ASPECTS." "YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL BRING UP NEW EVIDENCE." "WE CAN STILL CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATIONS WE'VE BEEN DOING." "WE CAN STILL TRY TO CLEAR OUR NAMES." "THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS NOW CAN WE DO IT From the Outside" "INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SIT IN PRISON AND DO IT." "YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 18 YEARS," "AND IT'S" "IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE LIVING HELL." "Joe Berlinger:" "WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE THAT THE DEFENSE" "WHAT ARE GOING TO PRESENT AT THE UPCOMING Evidentiary HEARING," "INCLUDING JUDGE MISCONDUCT-- Allegations OF JUDGE MISCONDUCT?" "Scott Ellington:" "WHEN THE SUPREME COURT HANDED DOWN THIS DECISION" "ON THE 4th November OF LAST YEAR," "Reopening ISSUES JUDGE OF MISCONDUCT" "AND EVERYTHING-- AND ALL THESE OTHER MATTERS" "ON THE BASIS OF NEW D.N.A.," "THEN THAT Caused SOME-- SOME TROUBLES." "AND THIS JUDGE WHAT Most likely GOING TO GRANT A NEW TRIAL." "AND IF THIS JUDGE GRANTED A NEW TRIAL," "THE defendants MOST LIKELY" "I MEAN, WE WOULD DO THE BEST WE COULD TO PREVAIL ON THE EVIDENCE," "BUT most likely THESIS defendants," "THE STATE BELIEVES," "COULD VERY EASILY Havebeen acquitted." " YES, ma'am." " Woman:" "WILL THE STATE CONTINUE" "TO INVESTIGATE THIS CASE IF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION'S BROUGHT FORTH" "OR IS THE CASE CLOSED?" "I have no Reason to Believe THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE THAT" "INVOLVED IN THE HOMICIDE OF THESE THREE CHILDREN" "BUT THE THREE defendants WHO PLED GUILTY TODAY." "LET ME JUST POINT OUT ONE ASPECT OF WHAT HAPPENED TODAY:" "THESE MEN NOT ONLY WALKED OUT," "THEY CREATED TODAY, BY THIS PLEA, TO ME," "PROOF POSITIVE OF THEIR INNOCENCE" "AND THE STATE'S RECOGNITION OF IT." "BECAUSE Does anyone BELIEVE" "THAT IF THE STATE HAD EVEN the slightest" "CONTINUING CONVICTION THAT WERE GUILTY THEY," "THEY WOULD LET THAT THESE MEN FREE TODAY?" "IT WOULD'VE NEVER HAPPENED." "BUT TO ME, THE STATE'S ACCEPTANCE OF AN ALFORD PLEA," "IN WHICH THEY MAINTAIN THEIR INNOCENCE," "AND RELEASING THEM, IS EVIDENCE" "OF THE STATE'S RECOGNITION OF THEIR INNOCENCE." "Woman:" "What does this mean FOR THE STATE OF ARKANSAS TODAY?" "THE significance THIS CASE OF" "AND THAT THIS IS OVER TODAY-- What does this mean?" "WELL, I THINK FOR THE BENEFIT" "STATE OF THE OF ARKANSAS" "AND THE OFFICE THAT I REPRESENT," "IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TERMINATED" "Prolonged LITIGATION;" "WE HAVE TERMINATEDADDITIONAL APPEALS AND APPEAL HEARINGS." "WE'VE ALSO, AS PART OF THE" "I MEAN, WITH THEIR ENTRY OF A PLEA OF GUILTY," "WE HAVE REMOVED The Question" "FILING OF THEM A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE STATE" "COULD RESULT THAT IN MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS." "I CAN NOT SAY THAT THAT WAS NOT PART OF MYTHINKING" "IN THIS Resolving CASE FOR THE BEST THIS STATE OF" "AND FOR TRYING TO MOVE THIS CASE FORWARD AND END IT." "THIS WAS NOT JUSTICE, YOU KNOW." "IN THE BEGINNING WE TOLD NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH-- THAT WE WERE INNOCENT" "AND THEY SENT TO PRISON US FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES FOR IT." "AND THEN WE HAD TO Come Here," "AND THE THING ONLY THAT THE STATE WOULD DO FOR US WHAT TO SAY," ""HEY, WE'LL LET YOU GO IF YOU ADMIT GUILT ONLY. "" "AND THAT'S NOT JUSTICE, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT." "THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE Trying to find" "WHO REALLY MURDERED THOSE BOYS." "AND I DID NOT WANT TO TAKE THE DEAL FROM THE GET GO." "HOWEVER," "THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL DAMIEN." "AND SOMETIMES YOU just gotta BITE THE GUN TO SAVE SOMEBODY." "I WANT TO Publicly THANK JASON, TOO," "JUST TO LET HIM KNOW THAT I DO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT HE DID," "THAT HE DID WANT TO KEEP FIGHTING." "HE DID NOT WANT TO DEAL TAKETHIS IN THE BEGINNING." "AND I Recognize AND ACKNOWLEDGE" "THAT HE DID DO IT ALMOST Entirely FOR ME." "THANK YOU." "(Cheering)" "Jason:" "There's Something VERY WRONG" "WITH OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM TODAY." "PEOPLE HAVE prejudices." "PEOPLE HAVE FEARS." "PEOPLE HAVE HATES." "These Things CLOUD OUR ABILITY TO REASON." "We also have" "COMPASSION," "LOVE, MERCY." "BUT WHAT MAKES IT SO DIFFICULT" "IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM" "IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE" "THEY GET SO Desensitized" "AND THEY LOSE THE ABILITY TO REASON." "THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO THE COMPASSION reawaken" "IN THE PEOPLE WHO RUN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM." "UNDER THE STATE SEAL Of Arkansas," "ON THE BANNER, IT SAYS" ""JUSTICE" ON ONE HAND" "AND "MERCY" ON THE OTHER." "JUSTICE IS LOST." "IT'S BROKEN." "MY Case in point:" "I TOLD THE TRUTH THAT I'M INNOCENT" "THEY REFUSED TO LET ME GO DURING MY TRIAL." "I TAKE AN ALFORD PLEA TODAY," "SAY I'M GUILTY WHEN I'M REALLY INNOCENT," "BUT JUST SAY I'M GUILTY AND TAKETHIS TIME" "AND WHAT DO THEY DO?" "THEY LET ME GO." "THAT'S NOT JUSTICE." "IT'S UP TO US AS A PEOPLE TO CHANGE IT." "IT STARTS WITH ALL OF US." "We've Got To Make THE DECISION" "TO TAKE EACH PERSON ON THEIR MERIT" "AND NOT JUST LUMP EVERYBODY Into Something" "THAT WE HATE, Mistrust, DO NOT KNOW ABOUT." "THESE ARE THE VERY PRINCIPLES OUR COUNTRY IS BUILT UPON," "BUT IT'S SO HARD TO PRACTICE." "HANG ONTO THAT." "GRAB IT." "IT'S OURS." "WE NEED IT." "IT'S WHAT KEEPS US GOING, KEEPS US ALIVE." "IT'S WHAT Prevents THINGS LIKE" "What's Going On With Me DAMIEN, AND JESSIE FROM HAPPENING." "* JUST KEEP THEM CLOSED, KEEP PRAYING *" "* JUST KEEP WAITING" "* WAITING FOR THE ONE" "* THE DAY THAT Never Comes *" "* WHEN YOU STAND UP AND FEEL THE WARMTH *" "* BUT THE SUNSHINE NEVER COMES, NO *" "* NO, THE SUNSHINE Never Comes *" "* PUSH YOU ACROSS THAT LINE" "* JUST STAY DOWN This Time" "* HIDE IN YOURSELF" "* CRAWL IN YOURSELF" "* YOU'LL HAVE YOUR TIME" "* GOD, MAKE THEM PAY I'LL" "* TAKE IT BACK ONE DAY" "* I'LL END THIS DAY" "* I'LL SPLATTER COLOR" "* ON THIS GRAY" "* WAITING FOR THE ONE" "* THE DAY THAT NEVER COMES" "* WHEN YOU STAND UP AND FEEL THE WARMTH *" "* BUT THE SUNSHINE Never Comes *" "* LOVE IS A four-letter word *" "* AND NEVER Spoken Here" "* LOVE IS A four-letter word *" "* HERE IN THIS PRISON" "* I SUFFER THIS NO LONGER" "* PUT AN END TO I" "* THIS I SWEAR, THIS I SWEAR *" "* THE SUN WILL SHINE, THIS I SWEAR, I SWEAR THIS *" "* THIS I SWEAR." 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