"What are you doing?" "I'm viewing" "What are you viewing?" "A film made on August 1st 1973" "Is that your working table?" "Yes" "After viewing, what will you do?" "I'll make an editing" "An editing, what's that?" "I have to view 3 reels about this theme" "And I'll remove defective parts" "What are you calling a... ?" "Every blurred picture" "That doesn't deserve to be projected on the screen" "Does it bother you that we're looking at you working?" "Definitely not" "Do you think that you're working or that you're having fun?" "No, it's a liberation of daily work" "What's your work?" "I'm a watchmaker" "I chose this wonderful hobby: amateur filmmaking in Super 8" "Amateur, what does it mean?" "why do you say amateur after cinema?" "Cameras that you can find on the everyday market" "Why do you feel a liberation of labour?" "What do your hands during your work?" "I found a liberation in this hobby" "And my hands don't work like at the factory" "Can you explain the difference?" "I'd say that in the factory I am absorbed by an intense work" "With the eye constantly stuck onto the microscope" "Whereas here work is much more easy and generous" "First through the image front of me" "And I find it wonderful" "What are you doing now?" "I made a cut" "Between what and what?" "I found a defective picture" "I'll remove it from the film" "And I'll stick it again" "It's not very kind for the image that you'll remove" "How do you judge?" "It's not clear" "And everything that is not clear must disappear" "Is that you who take these pictures?" "Yes" "And how do you decide to take a picture rather than another?" "Do you eliminate some in your head before?" "Generally yes, I remove every bad thing" "In my hobby of cinema, I prefer nature to the characters" "That's a big point" "Do you think that characters are boring?" "does it risk to be bad?" "Yes, sometimes I take sequences with characters that don't satisfy me" "Have you got friends?" "I've got many friends and no enemy" "That's a big point" "But if you took pictures of your friends, why wouldn't it satisfy you?" "Yes, I've already made a film about my friends" "It was very good" "It's my personal opinion" "How many films have you done?" "I made 3,200 meters of film" "Only about what you call nature?" "Nature, yes" "What do you find fascinating in nature that you can't find with characters?" "First its beauty" "Colors, faun, flora" "Do you think that beauty of a flower is more beautiful than beauty of a woman?" "Yes, but I don't want to remove the quality of a feminin beauty, on the contrary" "And you can compare it with a magnificent flower in the nature that you don't pick" "What are you looking at so closely" "I'm looking at the emulsion of the film" "Dull part will be above and shiny part below" "And if it doesn't bother you, I'd like to think about the difference you feel between making movies and your work at the factory" "Because I saw you working at the factory, and I saw some others like you" "And by watching it, I think it's a little bit similar" "I looked at you very closely, putting your eye very closely, your hands making precise moves" "Have you been a watchmaker for a long time?" "Yes, for 25 years" "My wife was a watchmaker too" "It's a very nice job, very varied" "But when you lean forward to get close to the film isn't it like when you lean forward to get close at the factory?" "Yes, it reminds me of my work" "But as eyesight declines with years, I have to get close with this horrible microscope" "So if you weren't paid for your job, would you conceive it as a hobby?" "If things were the other way round and you were paid to make films about nature, would you give up your work?" "No" "So there's something that you find kind in it, isn't there?" "Yes, it's hard to explain" "I don't want to do it for money" "You don't want to make these films for money?" "No, definitely not" "Moreover it's my job that get me money to pursue this wonderful hobby" "Do you make a difference between photo and cinema?" "Yes, I have been a slide amateur for 10 years" "I made just about 2000 slides" "And I stayed true to slides" "And maybe a day I'll come back to my first love" "Unfortunately my wonderful camera had a failure" "And that's why I turned on Super 8" "But slide is a wonderful starting point for cinema" "And I think that a slide gives as much pleasure as a film" "Did you take this picture of the lake?" "Yes" "What's the difference between taking this picture in film and in photo?" "Water is living" "When you see a lake raged by a gust of wind, matter is alive" "What do you call "alive"?" "Well, you can see the wave" "You can see the reeds undulating under gusts of wind" "Or the swann moving from one side to the other" "Whereas a slide, it's quiet" "But there's the man into the slide" "But if you showed a quiet slide of a quiet lake" "And then another one that showed something more rough" "The transition from one to the other makes movement, doesn't it?" "Yes" "And you would hear people to tell that would it be wonderful in cinema, because you could see the wave" "Obviously, these are very personal opinions" "All in all, what you like into cinema is that you can see quite like you have seen with the eye" "Cinema reproduces all the moves that you took" "And I think it's wonderful" "When you choose a subject or an angle or a place, how does it happen?" "Do you want to express something?" "Do you stay in a precise place rather than in an other one?" "Do you decide in early morning to go somewhere or do you thing about it a long time in advance?" "A film is like a book to write" "It needs a preface, it must be prepared" "I never go with my camera to film a 10-meter sequence along the lake and finish in my chalet of the Mont Tendre" "It wouldn't be right" "I always choose a theme" "Do you think to a future film now?" "Yes, I prepare a film about the 4 seasons of the Mont Tendre for the next two years" "In which I'll probably use Vivaldi's 4 Seasons" "Why do you use music?" "According to the books I read, the soundtrack of the film is the signature of its creator" "And I think it's true" "I hesitated to make the first move..." "I think I will be able to make this move easily" "And do you want to use human voices or just music?" "Music" "Don't you want to speak over it?" "I've such a terrible voice that I prefere a speaker with a very clear voice" "And I'll try to find a clearer voice than mine" "But when you'll shot the 4 seasons of the Mont Tendre, don't you want to tell what is happening into yourself?" "Or why will you do it?" "Yes, I'll make it feel by shooting these films at the Mont Tendre" "Because there are very rough sequences" "There are a snowstorm and a thunderstorm" "And there I'll express my feeling front of nature" "I'll probably do it" "Do you already know what you'll seek?" "in which directions?" "Do you have precise pictures that you'll try to catch?" "Yes, I prepared a script" "What's a script?" "It's the beginning, these are common points where the camera will work" "What I have to do" "Sequences I must prepare" "I wrote all that on a little notebook" "For example, at sunrise, I plan to put the tripod of the camera in a precise place" "We'll let you work a short while" "What's this picture on the wall?" "This is a young plant which grows on Mont Tendre in the early spring" "I thought it was a bird" "It strangely looks like a bird" "It's very pretty, very small" "And for someone who loves nature it's only one of the subjects one can capture with slides" "Why did you want to film this plant?" "To keep it for you or to show it to other people?" "It's first for myself and then to show it" "To children especially" "I planed a series of spring subjects, when buds burst open" "To show the awakening of nature in spring" "It was designed for use in schools" "I made a series on mushrooms" "That I showed to the Mycological Society" "Which has been very appreciated" "What's this little house here?" "This is my chalet at the Mont Tendre, called Sunrise" "There you see it against a a winter landscape" "It is situated at 1,562 meters in altitude" "It is very pretty, calm, quiet" "I'll start from there for my 4 Seasons" "I shall have a wonderful starting point and I think I'll do a great work" "I think to something which is probably a little bit contradictory" "You said that you didn't like to talk" "If you use sound, you prefer music than talking" "And then, this kind of bird-flower, you said that you wanted to show it to children to explain the awakening of nature" "So, there was somebody talking or was it projected silently?" "Obviously, if I found somebody with a beautiful voice, I'd prefer to use sound" "And I think that afterward I want to add sound to my films" "Do you think to put sound on your 4 seasons?" "Yes, it's planed" "So, what did you write on your script?" "First, Vivaldi's music" "And then the speaker who will describe beauties of the Jura" "You'll say it and somebody will repeat it?" "No, I'll say it to him" "You'll write a commentary?" "Yes, and I'll choose a much clearer voice than mine" "And what are the beauties of the Jura?" "French and Swiss Juras are magnificent regions" "There are extraordinary things to discover" "For one who loves nature" "I find it absolutely wonderful" "Is it hard to make movies?" "Is it necessary to be very technician?" "No I think that with modern cameras on the market" "Puting down, aiming, it's easy" "But it's quite delicate to start" "Now I only work with a tripod" "In the begining, I was quite like on a machine gun" "To film a picture" "What do you mean when you say "like a machine gun"?" "A panoramic shot made on the shoulder is very too fast" "I chose a tripod because it gives a good stability and a better quality for projection" "What you shot, does it last a long time?" "I mean, when you watch a sunset or a storm over the lake" "It depends, reels measure 15 meters" "In average they last 3 minutes and a half, it's very short" "Whereas a slide doesn't move" "That's the difference between slide and amateur cinema" "Do you prefer to shot pictures of places that pictures will help you to know?" "Or of places and things that you already know?" "No, both are fine" "I think that picture first pass through the brain, the soul, the camera" "And you can fell deep inside yourself what deserves to be impressed on the film" "I love landscapes" "And everywhere I go abroad, everytime I find something wonderful, I take my camera and I record pictures" "Do you work alone in the cinema or do you do it with some friends?" "I had many contacts with friends who make movies" "And we do commentaries about our films" "But generally I work alone" "That's in the loneliness that I do great things" "Especially with fauna" "You can't do it like in a school trip and disturb animals" "You do great things in the loneliness?" "Yes" "Do you feel more alone when you are in the nature or when you work at the factory?" "That's such a question!" "In the nature, I like this loneliness" "Does it bother you less than at the factory?" "Absolutely yes" "Do you feel alone at the factory?" "No, because we are registered" "We wear our working clothes" "Factory is very different than an alpine landscape" "Or in the forest, or at a lakeside..." "And does it interest you to work at the factory?" "Sorry, I didn't hear..." "And does it interest you to work at the factory?" "Yes, I must work to earn my livelihood" "It's an obligation" "Viva retirement!" "And when you'll be retired, do you think you will make more movies?" "Yes, if health permits, I'll do a little bit more cinema than now" "What are you looking for?" "I'm watching the clearness of the first images" "It's not bad" "And when these photos or these films are done, what do they become?" "They become subjects that I show in public" "?" "There is no parts only about the lakeside or the mountain, there's always a succession" "When this succession is assembled, I can present the complete film" "With faun and flora inside, everything you want" "It's a succession of the ideas that passed through my brain" "When you made slides, did you less think about a succession than with cinema?" "Exactly" "Cinema makes you more think to a succession?" "Exactly, but with slides, I could use everything I wanted" "I could pass from the heart of a tulip to a feminin face" "What you can't do with cinema" "Don't you think you are less free with cinema?" "Yes, I'm less free with cinema, because I have to choose a way" "It's like a writer who writes a book, he makes a preface, a signature, he writes his book" "It needs a succession" "So it's a little bit like a line" "Yes, a wonderful line" "Like the line of happiness" "The line of what?" "The line of happiness" "But it's harder to follow a line" "Yes, because you got to pass by all the links" "And don't you feel imprisoned?" "Yes, a little bit imprisoned" "The line is an imprisonement" "At the factory, there's a line of watchmaking" "Well, it's not the line of happiness!" "Every factory has lines" "But do you think that there's a link between this line and the succession of pictures in a movie?" "Perhaps it's the first time you think about it like that" "I'd say it's maybe not the same line" "The line is more open and more deep" "It's a line that you can find in the nature" "But in an industrial and material point of view, I think there's a huge difference" "Do you feel a liberation by passing from a line in a factory to a line of pictures in the nature?" "Absolutely sensational" "What are you reading?" "I'm reading the note of a new film that I'll use to shot sequences in October" "I haven't tried it yet, it will come" "The new Kodak films" "When you make a line of pictures like these one after having done a script" "because you shot in color do you think you rather make novels or paintings?" "I'd rather say paintings" "You feel more like a painter?" "Despite you make movies now, you feel as a painter like when you were making slides?" "Yes, I think" "And when you write a script, you feel like a painter?" "A little bit" "Don't you feel like a writer, because you write?" "Absolutely not" "And do you feel like a musician?" "Absolutely not, but I love music" "When you're alone front of landscapes, do you want to sing?" "Yes, I was a member of a choir and I love singing" "Do you sing for yourself?" "Yes" "Do you sing famous songs?" "Folk songs from the country" "Why don't you put your singing voice on pictures?" "My voice is so bad, I wouldn't dare to present it" "But if we feel that you're happy, it could be enough" "Yes, maybe I'll do it some day" "I'd sing La Solennelle as you saw tuesday" "Pretty little flowers and this magnificent song" "O solemn o sweet flower Why do you give me up in the hills?" "But not with my horrible voice" "We will project a serial of photographs" "Could you say if you'd like to put a sound on them and what" "Or if some are better silent" "Just say "here it's better silent" or "here it'd be better with some sound"" "That's a girl of the Orbe, bellow Vallorbes" "This one would be better with some noise of water" "These are flowers" "Maybe I'd be better with a little music" "There's nothing to say, it's better like that" "Yes, calm, quiet" "On a picture like this one, don't you want to put a voice saying "calm and quiet"" "I completely agree" "Here you filmed your friends" "Yes, these are my friends" "All four make photographs" "Taking photographs of their daily life, would it interest you?" "Yes, I'd like to day it some day" "Filming every friend in secret, in his leisure time, his work, on his cycle or on his motorbike" "Taking pictures of them secretly and show them" "Did you do it?" "Not yet, but it passed through my spirit" "But what do wyou want to show them?" "had you an aim?" "Telling them some day: "Gentlemen, I invite you to a film show"" "And showing them the film I'd make about them secretly in their daily life" "When he washes his car, when he goes on his bike, when he goes shopping" "And I think the idea is not so bad" "Do you film many animals?" "Yes, I'm a wildlife amateur" "I love the aquatic life of the lake" "I directed a film about the birth of swans" "During 4 Sundays" "Sitting down on a chair" "It deserves much patience" "And I succeeded to film the egg hatch on a Monday morning" "They are very small and they get out of the water, they're wonderful!" "You love births" "It's the beginning of life" "Both on the animal level and on the human level" "Continue your work" "But it should be tiring, if you stayed there 4 Sundays" "It's a tiring hobby" "But then, comforting" "You'd rather say it's a pleasant work compared with some others" "Yes, it's a very pleasant work" "And when the picture is restored, the past comes back and that's a great comfort" "And for friends who go away" "There's something I don't really understand" "If someone wanted to pay you to take these pictures" "Someone who would find them beautiful, who woudln't know how to do it himself" "Like a worker who knows how to make beautiful pictures" "Or a picture engineer" "Why would it bother you?" "It wouldn't bother me" "But I don't want to make profit with the product of my soul" "I gave some photos to the Swiss Chamber of Watchmaking" "To set up a book in English" "They automatically paid me, without me asking" "It was their usual conditions" "I don't do it for financial purposes" "Do you work on other people's films sometimes?" "Yes, this winter, I shot more than 450 meters of film for 2 friends" "And I did the titles, viewed it, cut it, edited it and delivered almost for free to my friends" "This one is good?" "Very nice reel, yes" "Not much "to cut"" "You cut only when it's blurred?" "Bad sequences" "You don't ever cut when you find it too long or too short?" "Sometimes, if it's too long, I cut" "How do you decide?" "what happens inside you to decide that it's too long?" "I shorten sequences when they are too long" "Could you give an example of a moment you cut because it was too long?" "In Zermatt, I made a sequence of the Alps and it was too long" "I shorten it" "What did it show?" "Too many of the Alps" "Too many mountains?" "Too many mountains" "It becames boring for the one who received it" "I had to cut about 8 meters of film" "It's quite a lot" "They are preserved here" "And one day I might decide to put them back again" "Have you been interesting by what we said for an hour or did you find it a little bit boring?" "It was very nice" "What did you think?" "Wonderful!" "Were you afraid?" "Not at all" "But earlier you..." "But it was the morning!" "Yes, but for us too" "No, no, relaxed" "Relaxed?" "Yes" "Do you think we forgot to speak about something?" "No, I don't think so" "Perhaps I could explain it in the nature" "We should work in the nature" "I don't know" "Monday, in the factory, will you ask me questions?" "No, no" "Just a couple of shots" "Monday I'll make gold fountain pens" "Gold fountain pens, that's what you are working on currently?" "Yes, Christian Dior's pens" "That's you who make Christian Dior's pens?" "Monday I'll prepare them for you" "I will put the ring inside" "You'll see the silver and the gold" "So, as a painter, you work for the novelists, because they use pens to write" "Yes" "And what's your name?" "Eh, I'm little Marcel" "Marcel Raymond" "Directed by"