"to men?" "Raise your hand." "Raise your hand." "JENNY:" "Isthatahand ?" "JENNY:" "Isthatahand ?" "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "I-Idon'tknow." "You would feel so much more" "You would feel so much more feminine if you were with a guy, feminine if you were with a guy, you know?" "you know?" "WOMAN2 :" "Wait,what?" "WOMAN2 :" "Wait,what?" "CAITLYN:" "I canappreciatethe" "CAITLYN:" "I canappreciatethe  male form." "male form." "You gonna date women?" "You gonna date women?" "You gonna date men?" "You gonna date men?" "I don't know." "I don't know." "Candis and I are leaving" "Candis and I are leaving together." "together." "(laughter)" "(laughter) But we'll see you back in L.A." "But we'll see you back in L.A. CANDIS:" "Loveyou,girls." "CANDIS:" "Loveyou,girls." "ZACKARY:" "Bye." "ZACKARY:" "Bye." "CHANDI:" "Bye,baby." "CHANDI:" "Bye,baby." "Candis and Caitlyn in the tree," "Candis and Caitlyn in the tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G." "(footsteps approaching) COURTNEY:" "Allright,Johnie's" "COURTNEY:" "Allright,Johnie's coming to pick me up." "coming to pick me up." "Go easy on him." "Go easy on him." "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) If you know how to do that." "If you know how to do that." "Have you ever gone easy on" "Have you ever gone easy on anyone?" "anyone?" "CAITLYN:" "I ,uh..." "No ," "CAITLYN:" "I ,uh..." "No , actually, I haven't." "actually, I haven't." "COURTNEY:" "Oh." "COURTNEY:" "Oh." "Well, it's... you know, you're" "Well, it's... you know, you're doing new things now, so that doing new things now, so that might be one of them." "might be one of them." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "(door opens, closes)" "(door opens, closes) (footsteps approaching)" "(footsteps approaching) Uh-oh." "Uh-oh." "JOHNIE:" "Hello." "JOHNIE:" "Hello." "COURTNEY:" "Babes." "COURTNEY:" "Babes." "CAITLYN:" "He'shere." "CAITLYN:" "He'shere." "JOHNIE:" "I madeit ." "JOHNIE:" "I madeit ." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "JOHNIE:" "Good,howare you" "JOHNIE:" "Good,howare you  doing again?" "doing again?" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgood." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgood." "I'm doing good." "How are you?" "I'm doing good." "How are you?" "JOHNIE:" "I 'mfantastic." "JOHNIE:" "I 'mfantastic." "CAITLYN:" "Well,good." "CAITLYN:" "Well,good." "COURTNEY:" "Uh,hi ." "COURTNEY:" "Uh,hi ." "JOHNIE:" "What'sbeenhappening" "JOHNIE:" "What'sbeenhappening lately?" "lately?" "CAITLYN:" "Youcametopick her" "CAITLYN:" "Youcametopick her up?" "up?" "Oh, hi, yeah." "Oh, hi, yeah." "Remember her?" "Remember her?" "COURTNEY:" "Yeah,do you" "COURTNEY:" "Yeah,do you remember?" "remember?" "I think he's forgotten about me" "I think he's forgotten about me since I haven't been around so since I haven't been around so much." "much." "CAITLYN:" "Really,youhaven't" "CAITLYN:" "Really,youhaven't been around much lately?" "been around much lately?" "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,sheusedtobe" "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,sheusedtobe  home a few days a week, and now home a few days a week, and now she's never home." "she's never home." "CAITLYN:" "Neverhome?" "CAITLYN:" "Neverhome?" "Well, you've got a working" "Well, you've got a working woman." "woman." "Now, how did you two meet?" "Now, how did you two meet?" "COURTNEY:" "Oneof my goodguy" "COURTNEY:" "Oneof my goodguy  friends that I've known since friends that I've known since third grade knows him, and he third grade knows him, and he set us up." "set us up." "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,in the" "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,in the heterosexual dating world, it is heterosexual dating world, it is nothing compared to what it is nothing compared to what it is for people in the trans for people in the trans community." "community." "COURTNEY:" "Babe,whatifyou" "COURTNEY:" "Babe,whatifyou met someone, and you, like, were met someone, and you, like, were super into them, and you found super into them, and you found out they were trans?" "out they were trans?" "JOHNIE:" "Like,how...how soon" "JOHNIE:" "Like,how...how soon into the, you know, like, into the, you know, like, relationship courting does that relationship courting does that come up?" "come up?" "Because I believe that should be" "Because I believe that should be something that's kind of more something that's kind of more up-front, otherwise it's sort up-front, otherwise it's sort of deceptive." "of deceptive." "COURTNEY:" "Why?" "COURTNEY:" "Why?" "Would it change?" "Would it change?" "CAITLYN:" "Youwouldhavetobe" "CAITLYN:" "Youwouldhavetobe  honest right from the beginning." "honest right from the beginning." "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,rightfromthe" "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,rightfromthe start, you know?" "start, you know?" "'Cause not telling someone..." "'Cause not telling someone..." "COURTNEY:" "Like,if Itoldyou" "COURTNEY:" "Like,if Itoldyou right now that I was trans, then right now that I was trans, then you'd be like... you'd be like..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whatwouldyou" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whatwouldyou do?" "COURTNEY:" "Wouldit changeus?" "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,butthen,you" "JOHNIE:" "Yeah,butthen,you know, we can choose to continue know, we can choose to continue to be friends." "to be friends." "COURTNEY:" "Andwouldyou" "COURTNEY:" "Andwouldyou  continue?" "continue?" "Oh, and be friends." "Oh, and be friends." "You would continue and be" "You would continue and be friends." "friends." "CAITLYN:" "Hewoulddumpyou" "CAITLYN:" "Hewoulddumpyou like a hot potato, girl." "like a hot potato, girl." "JOHNIE:" "No." "Well..." "JOHNIE:" "No." "Well..." "COURTNEY:" "Basically." "COURTNEY:" "Basically." "Basically." "Basically." "CAITLYN:" "Whoareyou worried" "CAITLYN:" "Whoareyou worried about?" "about?" "Is it other people, what" "Is it other people, what their... they would think about their... they would think about you?" "you?" "JOHNIE:" "No,it 'showyou ..." "JOHNIE:" "No,it 'showyou ..." "how I perceive y-you." "CAITLYN:" "I reallyappreciate Johnie's honesty, but this is a" "Johnie's honesty, but this is a problem in the trans community." "problem in the trans community." "A lot of people are supportive," "A lot of people are supportive, but when it starts to get a but when it starts to get a little too close, they have a little too close, they have a hard time dealing with that." "hard time dealing with that." "It's a big issue, if you..." "It's a big issue, if you..." "COURTNEY:" "Whatis thebest" "COURTNEY:" "Whatis thebest way to go about it then if... way to go about it then if..." "CAITLYN:" "Ifyoulookat" "CAITLYN:" "Ifyoulookat all of the girls, you know... all of the girls, you know..." "COURTNEY:" "Right." "COURTNEY:" "Right." "CAITLYN:...everyone,hard" "CAITLYN:...everyone,hard time finding a date." "time finding a date." "I really can't even imagine" "I really can't even imagine dating or doing something like dating or doing something like that." "that." "Uh, to me, it's absolutely" "Uh, to me, it's absolutely overwhelming." "overwhelming." "It might be too much." "It might be too much." "JOHNIE:" "Well,as timegoes" "JOHNIE:" "Well,as timegoes on, more and more people will be on, more and more people will be open to that and understand that open to that and understand that this is normal, this isn't some," "this is normal, this isn't some, you know, freaky thing, and a you know, freaky thing, and a lot of people are like this, so, lot of people are like this, so, you know... but right now, it's" "you know... but right now, it's still, it's an awkward still, it's an awkward situation." "CAITLYN:" "Ta-da." "Let's go get something to eat." "CANDIS:" "Why,thankyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Yougotit." "CAITLYN:" "Yougotit." "With us, whose job is that?" "With us, whose job is that?" "CANDIS:" "I-Ithinkwehave to" "CANDIS:" "I-Ithinkwehave to trade off and on." "trade off and on." "CAITLYN:" "Uh,we tradeoff ?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,we tradeoff ?" "Okay." "Okay." "CANDIS:" "We'reout,and we're" "CANDIS:" "We'reout,and we're hungry." "hungry." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "How exciting is this?" "How exciting is this?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mstarving." "CANDIS:" "I 'mstarving." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Actually, I am starving too." "Actually, I am starving too." "WAITER:" "Hereyougo, ladies." "WAITER:" "Hereyougo, ladies." "CANDIS:" "That'sperfect." "CANDIS:" "That'sperfect." "CAITLYN:" "Toagirls'lunch" "CAITLYN:" "Toagirls'lunch and, yeah." "and, yeah." "CANDIS:" "Toagirls'lunch,my" "CANDIS:" "Toagirls'lunch,my darling." "darling." "(laughs)" "(laughs) Thank you for picking me up." "Thank you for picking me up." "My car is on the fritz." "My car is on the fritz." "Like, the computer and the dash" "Like, the computer and the dash completely went dead on me, and completely went dead on me, and so, like, there's no blinker." "so, like, there's no blinker." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "CANDIS:" "SoIhaveto,like," "CANDIS:" "SoIhaveto,like,  do hand signals." "Yeah." "do hand signals." "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I thinkthat's" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkthat's funny." "funny." "CANDIS:" "It's,like,a" "CANDIS:" "It's,like,a ten-year-old car." "ten-year-old car." "I-I'm trying to decide if I want" "I-I'm trying to decide if I want to fix this car... to fix this car..." "WAITER:" "Hereyougo." "WAITER:" "Hereyougo." "CAITLYN:" "Youneed,like,a" "CAITLYN:" "Youneed,like,a Porsche or something." "Porsche or something." "Maybe something hot." "Maybe something hot." "CANDIS:" "Can'treallydothat" "CANDIS:" "Can'treallydothat  on my budget right now." "on my budget right now." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "Ooh, what do we got?" "Ooh, what do we got?" "CANDIS:" "SoIhaveanaudition" "CANDIS:" "SoIhaveanaudition coming up for a movie." "coming up for a movie." "Like, that's what I've been" "Like, that's what I've been studying." "studying." "CAITLYN:" "Youdo ?" "CAITLYN:" "Youdo ?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KatieHolmes." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "KatieHolmes." "Do you know Katie Holmes?" "Do you know Katie Holmes?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Putin agoodword ." "CANDIS:" "Putin agoodword ." "CAITLYN:" "TomCruise." "CAITLYN:" "TomCruise." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) In my minimal experience with" "In my minimal experience with acting... acting..." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:..." "Iactually" "CAITLYN:..." "Iactually enjoyed the process." "enjoyed the process." "What I didn't enjoy is the" "What I didn't enjoy is the process of getting the work." "process of getting the work." "That sucked." "That sucked." "CANDIS:" "Itdoessuck." "CANDIS:" "Itdoessuck." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "It'snerve-racking," "CANDIS:" "It'snerve-racking, having people judging you, and having people judging you, and being trans and judging you... being trans and judging you..." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:...there'salways" "CANDIS:...there'salways that little extra... that little extra..." "you know... you know..." "insecurity there, you know?" "insecurity there, you know?" "CAITLYN:" "Youwerethe only" "CAITLYN:" "Youwerethe only reason I watched  Dirty Sexy reason I watched  Dirty Sexy Money." "Money." "CANDIS:" "Thanks." "CANDIS:" "Thanks." "CAITLYN:" "I said,"Whoisthis" "CAITLYN:" "I said,"Whoisthis  little trans girl?"" "little trans girl?" (Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) It was a big deal that..." "Billy" "It was a big deal that..." "Billy Baldwin, right?" "Baldwin, right?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God,he" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God,he kissed the trans woman." "kissed the trans woman." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I ..." "CAITLYN:" "I ..." "You were hot as hell." "You were hot as hell." "Why wouldn't he?" "Why wouldn't he?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "I 'venevernotbeena" "CANDIS:" "I 'venevernotbeena performer; it's part my soul, performer; it's part my soul, you know, and it's something you know, and it's something that I have to do." "that I have to do." "However, it's been a struggle to" "However, it's been a struggle to get the respect, um, from... get the respect, um, from..." "producers, directors, casting producers, directors, casting agents." "agents." "And I put up this front" "And I put up this front all the time because I have to all the time because I have to be the one on top who people be the one on top who people look up to for my community, and" "look up to for my community, and it's been hard, it's been hard." "CAITLYN:" "Goingovertothe health center?" "health center?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Afterthis?" "CAITLYN:" "Afterthis?" "That should be good." "That should be good." "That'll be very interesting." "That'll be very interesting." "CANDIS:" "I gotan" "CANDIS:" "I gotan  appointment; it was, like, a appointment; it was, like, a three-month wait, and so I was three-month wait, and so I was like... like..." "CAITLYN:" "Getoutofhere ." "CAITLYN:" "Getoutofhere ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "And so, um, I mean, I have a" "And so, um, I mean, I have a family doctor, but, uh, I find family doctor, but, uh, I find it really hard to get the right it really hard to get the right medication, so I just want to go" "medication, so I just want to go to somebody that knows what to somebody that knows what they're doing, you know... they're doing, you know..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,right." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,right." "CANDIS:...whenit comesto" "CANDIS:...whenit comesto our issues." "our issues." "CAITLYN:" "I 'dliketo seeit." "CAITLYN:" "I 'dliketo seeit." "CANDIS:" "I wouldlovefor you" "CANDIS:" "I wouldlovefor you  to come with me." "to come with me." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "So who gets the check?" "So who gets the check?" "CAITLYN:" "Here'sthedeal." "CAITLYN:" "Here'sthedeal." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "(Caitlyn chuckles)" "(Caitlyn chuckles) CAITLYN:" "I openedthedoor" "CAITLYN:" "I openedthedoor for you coming in... for you coming in..." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Damn!" "CANDIS:" "Damn!" "Okay, I'll get the check, then" "Okay, I'll get the check, then you get the car." "you get the car." "CAITLYN:" "Well,no ." "CAITLYN:" "Well,no ." "No." "No." "So, actually, if I got the door," "So, actually, if I got the door, I opened the door for you." "I opened the door for you." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "ThatmeansthatI" "CAITLYN:" "ThatmeansthatI should also pick the check up." "should also pick the check up." "CANDIS:" "No." "CANDIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "CANDIS:" "Becauseyou'reused" "CANDIS:" "Becauseyou'reused to picking up the check." "to picking up the check." "Just once you should have the" "Just once you should have the check picked up for you." "check picked up for you." "CAITLYN:" "Thiswholedating" "CAITLYN:" "Thiswholedating thing is getting so complicated." "thing is getting so complicated." "CANDIS:" "It'sso confusing" "CANDIS:" "It'sso confusing with two girls." "with two girls." "CAITLYN:" "It'sso confusing." "CAITLYN:" "It'sso confusing." "I just don't know how to do it" "I just don't know how to do it all." "RECEPTIONIST:" "Welcometo the L.A. LGBT Center." "L.A. LGBT Center." "How can I help you?" "How can I help you?" "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "I just need to register." "I just need to register." "RECEPTIONIST:" "Justgo ahead" "RECEPTIONIST:" "Justgo ahead and start filling out this piece and start filling out this piece of paperwork." "of paperwork." "Have a seat, and the doctor will" "Have a seat, and the doctor will be with you soon, okay?" "be with you soon, okay?" "CANDIS:" "Okay." "Thankyou ." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "Thankyou ." "CAITLYN:" "There'salways" "CAITLYN:" "There'salways paperwork, isn't there?" "paperwork, isn't there?" "CANDIS:" "Alwayspaperwork." "CANDIS:" "Alwayspaperwork." ""Emergency contact."" ""Emergency contact." Ouch." "Ouch." "CAITLYN:" "Putme down." "CAITLYN:" "Putme down." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "The lover." "The lover." "(both laugh)" "(both laugh) CAITLYN:" Iconsidermyself" "CAITLYN:" Iconsidermyself gay, bisexual, heterosexual, gay, bisexual, heterosexual, lesbian, questioning."" "lesbian, questioning." Questioning." "Questioning." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Questioning." "CANDIS:" "Questioning." "NURSE:" "Candis?" "NURSE:" "Candis?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "NURSE:" "Comeon back." "NURSE:" "Comeon back." "CANDIS:" "Okay,great." "CANDIS:" "Okay,great." "NURSE:" "Comeon in ." "NURSE:" "Comeon in ." "First stop is gonna be, uh, on" "First stop is gonna be, uh, on the scale." "the scale." "CANDIS:" "Oh,God,no, not the" "CANDIS:" "Oh,God,no, not the  scale." "scale." "NURSE:" "Thescale." "NURSE:" "Thescale." "CANDIS:" "Don'tyoudarefilm" "CANDIS:" "Don'tyoudarefilm  this goddamn scale." "this goddamn scale." "Don't say it out loud." "Don't say it out loud." "NURSE:" "Okay,perfect." "NURSE:" "Okay,perfect." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CAITLYN:" "I won'ttell." "CAITLYN:" "I won'ttell." "CANDIS:" "I caughtyou." "CANDIS:" "I caughtyou." "NURSE:" "Socomeonin." "NURSE:" "Socomeonin." "CANDIS:" "I 'ma good15 pounds" "CANDIS:" "I 'ma good15 pounds heavier than I want to be." "heavier than I want to be." "NURSE:" "I 'llhavethedoctor" "NURSE:" "I 'llhavethedoctor come right in." "come right in." "CANDIS:" "Okay,thankyou so" "CANDIS:" "Okay,thankyou so much." "much." "CAITLYN:" "Thedoctor'scoming" "CAITLYN:" "Thedoctor'scoming in; shouldn't you, like, put a in; shouldn't you, like, put a gown on?" "gown on?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Yeah, that green thing." "Yeah, that green thing." "CANDIS:" "I rememberwhenI" "CANDIS:" "I rememberwhenI first started transition, it was first started transition, it was like, you'd go to these doctors, like, you'd go to these doctors, and nobody..." "You'd have to, and nobody..." "You'd have to, like, sit in a room and say, like, sit in a room and say, "I'm trans," and half of them" ""I'm trans," and half of them would be like, "Oh, I'm sorry,"" "would be like, "Oh, I'm sorry," and the other half would be and the other half would be like, "Well, I need to do a like, "Well, I need to do a physical on you right now."" "physical on you right now." CAITLYN:" "Oh,wow." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,wow." "CANDIS:" "AndIwas like," "CANDIS:" "AndIwas like, "Okay," you know?" ""Okay," you know?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whatdoyou" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whatdoyou know?" "know?" "CANDIS:" "AndIgot totally" "CANDIS:" "AndIgot totally fondled by some doctor." "fondled by some doctor." "CAITLYN:" "It'sshockingtome." "CAITLYN:" "It'sshockingtome." "I can't believe some people" "I can't believe some people would act that way." "would act that way." "Especially a person in the" "Especially a person in the medical field." "medical field." "CANDIS:" "Thegoodold days." "CANDIS:" "Thegoodold days." "CAITLYN:" "Nasty." "CAITLYN:" "Nasty." "(knocking)" "(knocking) CARPENTER:" "Hello." "CARPENTER:" "Hello." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CARPENTER:" "Howareyou ?" "CARPENTER:" "Howareyou ?" "I'm Dr. Carpenter." "I'm Dr. Carpenter." "CANDIS:" "Good." "Candis." "CANDIS:" "Good." "Candis." "Nice to meet you." "Nice to meet you." "CARPENTER:" "Hi." "Howare you ?" "CARPENTER:" "Hi." "Howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Caitlyn." "Dr. Carpenter, how are you?" "Dr. Carpenter, how are you?" "CARPENTER:" "Sonicetomeet" "CARPENTER:" "Sonicetomeet  you." "you." "So, in terms of your treatment," "So, in terms of your treatment, do you feel like things are... do you feel like things are..." "have been going well for you?" "have been going well for you?" "CANDIS:" "I haveadoctorthat" "CANDIS:" "I haveadoctorthat  I've been like, "Oh, I'm a trans" "I've been like, "Oh, I'm a trans woman," and, you know, tests my woman," and, you know, tests my hormones and makes sure I'm, you hormones and makes sure I'm, you know, on the right dosage and" "know, on the right dosage and stuff, but he doesn't really stuff, but he doesn't really come from a place of knowledge come from a place of knowledge in that, so... in that, so..." "CARPENTER:" "Right." "CARPENTER:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Dosingmyselffor so" "CANDIS:" "Dosingmyselffor so many years, I've come to an idea many years, I've come to an idea of what I'm supposed to take, of what I'm supposed to take, you know?" "you know?" "CARPENTER:" "Andyoushouldn't" "CARPENTER:" "Andyoushouldn't have to." "have to." "CANDIS:" "AndIshouldn't" "CANDIS:" "AndIshouldn't have to." "have to." "CARPENTER:" "Becauseyoushould" "CARPENTER:" "Becauseyoushould have doctors who are able to have doctors who are able to take care of you and know how to take care of you and know how to help you and know where you are." "help you and know where you are." "And, you know, it's a big" "And, you know, it's a big problem between surgeons and problem between surgeons and hormone doctors, there aren't a hormone doctors, there aren't a lot of people who do it." "lot of people who do it." "Here we have people coming from" "Here we have people coming from sometimes Las Vegas, sometimes sometimes Las Vegas, sometimes Phoenix, driving in because Los" "Phoenix, driving in because Los Angeles is the closest place" "Angeles is the closest place they can come." "they can come." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "And for somebody in Oklahoma," "And for somebody in Oklahoma, they probably don't have... they probably don't have..." "CARPENTER:" "There'snobody." "CARPENTER:" "There'snobody." "CANDIS:" "There'snobody." "CANDIS:" "There'snobody." "CARPENTER:" "There'snobody." "CARPENTER:" "There'snobody." "There is literally nobody." "(ringtone playing) CAITLYN:" "Well..." "CAITLYN:" "Well..." "MAN:" "Who'sthat?" "MAN:" "Who'sthat?" "COURTNEY:" "Yourgirlfriend." "COURTNEY:" "Yourgirlfriend." "CAITLYN:( laughs)Yeah." "CAITLYN:( laughs)Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Hello,gorgeous." "CANDIS:" "Hello,gorgeous." "COURTNEY:" "Hi,Candis." "COURTNEY:" "Hi,Candis." "MAN:" "Candis!" "MAN:" "Candis!" "CAITLYN:" "Hey,howare you" "CAITLYN:" "Hey,howare you  doing?" "doing?" "CANDIS:" "Hey,I'mdoinggood ." "CANDIS:" "Hey,I'mdoinggood ." "I was about to go do some" "I was about to go do some errands and stuff like that and errands and stuff like that and I was just thinking, like, what" "I was just thinking, like, what you were doing this weekend." "you were doing this weekend." "We could have, like, a girls'" "We could have, like, a girls' night, but not, like, at the night, but not, like, at the house, but, like, get you out house, but, like, get you out maybe." "maybe." "COURTNEY:" "Yes!" "COURTNEY:" "Yes!" "MAN:" "I liketheway this" "MAN:" "I liketheway this sounds, Candis!" "sounds, Candis!" "CAITLYN:" "Whatarewe" "CAITLYN:" "Whatarewe talking-- "out"?" "talking-- "out"?" "CANDIS:" "Let'sgo to TheAbbey" "CANDIS:" "Let'sgo to TheAbbey in the middle of... in the middle of..." "MAN:" "Oh,my God,yes !" "MAN:" "Oh,my God,yes !" "CANDIS:" "I thinkit willbe" "CANDIS:" "I thinkit willbe fun, because it's kind of like fun, because it's kind of like it's a mixed night where it's a mixed night where there's, like, gay and lesbian" "there's, like, gay and lesbian and straight people there." "and straight people there." "MAN:" "Thatsoundsperfect." "MAN:" "Thatsoundsperfect." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow." "That's awfully public." "That's awfully public." "MAN:" "Butthat's,like,the" "MAN:" "Butthat's,like,the perfect place to go." "perfect place to go." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "COURTNEY:" "Youmightfinda" "COURTNEY:" "Youmightfinda girlfriend, a boyfriend." "girlfriend, a boyfriend." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no ,thatisnot" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no ,thatisnot where I'm going here." "where I'm going here." "They have to realize that it's" "They have to realize that it's been, like, a month or two now been, like, a month or two now that I've been out, so I that I've been out, so I honestly haven't even thought or" "honestly haven't even thought or been approached or been tempted been approached or been tempted in any direction." "in any direction." "Scares me to death." "Scares me to death." "It's kind of like getting fed to" "It's kind of like getting fed to the wolves." "the wolves." "COURTNEY:" "Whenhaveyou ever" "COURTNEY:" "Whenhaveyou ever not just gone for it?" "not just gone for it?" "Candis, she'll be there." "Candis, she'll be there." "CANDIS:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Thisplacereally scares me." "scares me." "Hey!" "Hey!" "JEN:" "Whew!" "JEN:" "Whew!" "Look at that dress!" "Look at that dress!" "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "JEN:" "I lovethatdress." "JEN:" "I lovethatdress." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mtryingto keep" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mtryingto keep up with you." "up with you." "How are you, baby?" "How are you, baby?" "WOMAN:" "Oh,goodtoseeyou." "WOMAN:" "Oh,goodtoseeyou." "COURTNEY:" "Waitaminute!" "COURTNEY:" "Waitaminute!" "CAITLYN:" "What?" "What?" "What?" "CAITLYN:" "What?" "What?" "What?" "COURTNEY:" "We'removingtothe" "COURTNEY:" "We'removingtothe dance floor." "dance floor." "CANDIS:" "We'remakingamove ," "CANDIS:" "We'remakingamove , Cait." "Cait." "COURTNEY:" "Candishasyou ." "COURTNEY:" "Candishasyou ." "She's a professional." "She's a professional." "CAITLYN:" "You'vegotmyback ?" "CAITLYN:" "You'vegotmyback ?" "It's hard for me to go to a" "It's hard for me to go to a place like The Abbey and have place like The Abbey and have "fun," you know?" ""fun," you know?" "I-I always feel like I'm on" "I-I always feel like I'm on display." "display." "And I know what they're gonna" "And I know what they're gonna try to do." "try to do." "They'll try to get me to dance." "They'll try to get me to dance." "You know, it's just not" "You know, it's just not comfortable." "comfortable." "Oh, no!" "Oh, no!" "This is horrible." "This is horrible." "CANDIS:" "No,it 'sfabulous." "CANDIS:" "No,it 'sfabulous." "Just go with it." "Just go with it." "CAITLYN:" "Thoseguysaren't" "CAITLYN:" "Thoseguysaren't dressed." "dressed." "CANDIS:" "Gowithit." "CANDIS:" "Gowithit." "(Caitlyn sighs)" "(Caitlyn sighs) CAITLYN:" "It'snotreallymy" "CAITLYN:" "It'snotreallymy style." "style." "The girls, they say, "Come on," "The girls, they say, "Come on, you got to do it," but it just you got to do it," but it just like, oh, God." "like, oh, God." "I don't think I need this in my" "I don't think I need this in my life." "life." "¶ ¶" "¶ ¶ CAITLYN:" "I thinkallthe guys" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkallthe guys are stuffing." "are stuffing." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CANDIS:" "Oh,we gotone girl." "CANDIS:" "Oh,we gotone girl." "MAN:" "Therearealotof" "MAN:" "Therearealotof penises and boobs." "penises and boobs." "COURTNEY:" "Oh,my God!" "COURTNEY:" "Oh,my God!" "Look at her!" "Look at her!" "CAITLYN:" "Whoa!" "CAITLYN:" "Whoa!" "MAN:" "She'sgoingfor it." "CANDIS:" "I thinkthatCaitis probably... my gut says that she probably... my gut says that she is attracted to women." "is attracted to women." "COURTNEY:" "Theregoesyour" "COURTNEY:" "Theregoesyour girlfriend!" "CANDIS:" "I thinkshe's attracted to women, because attracted to women, because she's been married to a woman she's been married to a woman three times and she's lived her three times and she's lived her whole life with women." "whole life with women." "I can't imagine Cait deciding to" "I can't imagine Cait deciding to transition and then go with transition and then go with guys." "guys." "Your sexuality and your gender" "Your sexuality and your gender are two totally different are two totally different things." "things." "Although, if she decides to" "Although, if she decides to venture off, it's nobody's venture off, it's nobody's (bleep) business but hers." "(bleep) business but hers." "CAITLYN:" "I loveyou." "CAITLYN:" "I loveyou." "CANDIS:" "I loveyou." "CANDIS:" "I loveyou." "CAITLYN:" "Ah,goodjob" "CAITLYN:" "Ah,goodjob  tonight." "Little Miss Jenny." "JENNY:" "Hello." "JENNY:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Hey,babe." "CAITLYN:" "Hey,babe." "JENNY:" "I lovethedress." "JENNY:" "I lovethedress." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "JENNY:" "I 'mreallygood." "JENNY:" "I 'mreallygood." "CAITLYN:" "Areyouenjoying" "CAITLYN:" "Areyouenjoying your time out here?" "your time out here?" "JENNY:" "Oh,Iloveit." "JENNY:" "Oh,Iloveit." "I love coming out here." "I love coming out here." "CAITLYN:" "Whatareyou" "CAITLYN:" "Whatareyou  reading?" "reading?" "JENNY:" "Uh,thisisa" "JENNY:" "Uh,thisisa  collection of short stories." "collection of short stories." "My mother collected books, and," "My mother collected books, and, uh, it's a book that I actually uh, it's a book that I actually found in her library and I'm found in her library and I'm like, "Huh."" "like, "Huh." CAITLYN:" "Well,here'stoour" "CAITLYN:" "Well,here'stoour friendship." "friendship." "JENNY:" "Here'sto our" "JENNY:" "Here'sto our friendship." "friendship." "CAITLYN:" "We'vecomealong" "CAITLYN:" "We'vecomealong  way, haven't we?" "way, haven't we?" "JENNY:" "Youknow,Ihave to" "JENNY:" "Youknow,Ihave to say, you seem different to me say, you seem different to me than when I first started than when I first started getting to know you." "getting to know you." "CAITLYN:" "Absolutely." "CAITLYN:" "Absolutely." "JENNY:" "Youseemsomuch more" "JENNY:" "Youseemsomuch more  confident, comfortable." "confident, comfortable." "CAITLYN:" "Rightnow,Istill" "CAITLYN:" "Rightnow,Istill have a lot of firsts, yes." "have a lot of firsts, yes." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,butI'm" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,butI'm  getting there." "getting there." "That first trip to San Francisco" "That first trip to San Francisco was the first time in my life I was the first time in my life I ever packed a bag with just ever packed a bag with just Caitlyn clothes." "Caitlyn clothes." "JENNY:" "I know." "Prettycool." "JENNY:" "I know." "Prettycool." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Speakingof the,um," "JENNY:" "Speakingof the,um,  uh, the road trip crew, I uh, the road trip crew, I understand that you all were out understand that you all were out at The Abbey?" "at The Abbey?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes,well..." "CAITLYN:" "Yes,well..." "JENNY:" "Tellme aboutit." "JENNY:" "Tellme aboutit." "Was it good?" "Was it good?" "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "JENNY:" "Didyoufeel" "JENNY:" "Didyoufeel uncomfortable?" "uncomfortable?" "CAITLYN:" "A littlebit" "CAITLYN:" "A littlebit uncomfortable, yes." "uncomfortable, yes." "They had guys dancing all over" "They had guys dancing all over the place, yeah." "the place, yeah." "Could I, like, stare at the" "Could I, like, stare at the guy?" "No." "guy?" "No." "Plus, they were all packing." "Plus, they were all packing." "(Jenny laughs)" "(Jenny laughs) You know, The Abbey, they're" "You know, The Abbey, they're all packing." "all packing." "You know, you go, "Oh, my God."" "You know, you go, "Oh, my God." Yeah." "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Well,youknow,some" "JENNY:" "Well,youknow,some  people would think guys... people would think guys..." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,honestly?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,honestly?" "JENNY:...seeingguyspacking" "JENNY:...seeingguyspacking would be an exciting thing." "would be an exciting thing." "CAITLYN:" "Thatmaybe..." "CAITLYN:" "Thatmaybe..." "That's very true." "That's very true." "JENNY:" "Itcanbehard for" "JENNY:" "Itcanbehard for some people to understand that some people to understand that who you love is different from who you love is different from who you are." "who you are." "This is a thing she's-she's got" "This is a thing she's-she's got to make... to get over." "to make... to get over." "It's a funny place for her to be" "It's a funny place for her to be conservative, considering how conservative, considering how much progress she's made." "much progress she's made." "Um, when I went through what" "Um, when I went through what you're going through right now, you're going through right now, I wasn't sure that I was gonna" "I wasn't sure that I was gonna remain attracted to women." "remain attracted to women." "I thought I can prove to" "I thought I can prove to everyone I'm really a woman by everyone I'm really a woman by now I'll be with guys, which is now I'll be with guys, which is a messed-up thing to think." "a messed-up thing to think." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "JENNY:" "Butat acertain" "JENNY:" "Butat acertain point, I realized the needle of point, I realized the needle of my compass kept pointing back my compass kept pointing back not only to women, but also not only to women, but also to-to my wife." "to-to my wife." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,youluckedout" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,youluckedout on that one." "on that one." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "So ..." "JENNY:" "Yeah." "So ..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,'causeit's" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,'causeit's more fun to go through life with more fun to go through life with somebody else." "somebody else." "JENNY:" "Andthat'sthe thing" "JENNY:" "Andthat'sthe thing that I... that I want for you." "that I... that I want for you." "And I know that you've said" "And I know that you've said many, many times that thinking many, many times that thinking about who you want to be in love about who you want to be in love with is the last thing on your" "with is the last thing on your list." "list." "But humor me." "But humor me." "Think about it." "Think about it." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iwill." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Iwill." "Oh, I definitely am." "Oh, I definitely am." "I always have my..." "I am." "I always have my..." "I am." "I've got the biggest open mind" "I've got the biggest open mind in the world." "in the world." "JENNY:" "So,who'sthatopen" "JENNY:" "So,who'sthatopen  eye looking at?" "eye looking at?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "right now, I'm just kind of so right now, I'm just kind of so obsessed with educating people." "obsessed with educating people." "JENNY:" "Yeah,butyou 'renot" "JENNY:" "Yeah,butyou 'renot  answering my question." "answering my question." "CAITLYN:" "Butwait,wait," "CAITLYN:" "Butwait,wait, wait, wait." "You're, uh... wait, wait." "You're, uh..." "I'm getting to it." "I'm getting to it." "I'm getting to the answer." "I'm getting to the answer." "JENNY:" "Okay,allright." "JENNY:" "Okay,allright." "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I'msoexcited" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I'msoexcited about this, I'm really not about this, I'm really not thinking about stuff on the thinking about stuff on the outside." "outside." "JENNY:" "CaitlynJenner,you 're" "JENNY:" "CaitlynJenner,you 're pulling back on me." "pulling back on me." "To... to run away from the" "To... to run away from the issues of gender... issues of gender..." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:...youbecamean" "JENNY:...youbecamean Olympic champion and then you" "Olympic champion and then you became a great parent." "became a great parent." "You're throwing yourself into" "You're throwing yourself into your work again, and it's the your work again, and it's the best work in the world, but best work in the world, but you're running away from it." "yourself into your work again, and it's the best work in the and it's the best work in the world, but you're running away world, but you're running away from it." "CAITLYN:" "Well,uh ,probably, yeah." "I would say so, yeah." "yeah." "I would say so, yeah." "JENNY::" "So,so let'stake..." "JENNY::" "So,so let'stake..." "CAITLYN:" "But,honestly,I've" "CAITLYN:" "But,honestly,I've only been divorced two... two only been divorced two... two years, you know." "years, you know." "It's not like I wasn't in a" "It's not like I wasn't in a relationship foror a long time." "relationship foror a long time." "JENNYNY:" "So,youcan see" "JENNYNY:" "So,youcan see  yourself w with a woman?" "yourself w with a woman?" "CAITLYNYN:" "Uh,well,I've" "CAITLYNYN:" "Uh,well,I've always beeeen with women." "always beeeen with women." "Yeah, yeah, , yeah." "Yeah, yeah, , yeah." "I-I don't have a a problem with" "I-I don't have a a problem with that." "that." "I can have my choiceces now." "I can have my choiceces now." "Yeah." "Yeah." "It would... it would be e very" "It would... it would be e very attractive to me to have a guy attractive to me to have a guy treat me like e a woman." "JENNY:" "Whatdoesthatmean ?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,thatyou would" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,thatyou would be treated like a normal woman, be treated like a normal woman, okay?" "okay?" "JENNY:" "Whatdo youmean,"a" "JENNY:" "Whatdo youmean,"a normal woman"?" "normal woman"?" "CAITLYN:" "Likeanyotherwoman" "CAITLYN:" "Likeanyotherwoman on the street and not make it on the street and not make it this big trans thing or this or this big trans thing or this or that, just a normal that, just a normal relationship." "relationship." "JENNY:" "So,youknowwhat ," "JENNY:" "So,youknowwhat , Caitlyn Jenner, you are a normal" "Caitlyn Jenner, you are a normal woman right now, today." "woman right now, today." "A man is not..." "A man is not..." "You don't need a man to make you" "You don't need a man to make you a woman." "a woman." "Um..." "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,nowthat'strue ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,nowthat'strue ." "JENNY:" "A womancanmakeyoua" "JENNY:" "A womancanmakeyoua  woman." "woman." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,yeah." "JENNY:" "I mean,Ithinkit's a" "JENNY:" "I mean,Ithinkit's a thing, I mean, it's a thing that thing, I mean, it's a thing that women do." "women do." "We look, we look to men to give" "We look, we look to men to give us self-worth, and it's a thing us self-worth, and it's a thing that we need." "that we need." "I think, now that you're in the" "I think, now that you're in the sisterhood, um, you know, you sisterhood, um, you know, you have gone to such trouble have gone to such trouble to become a woman, don't be" "to become a woman, don't be a stupid one." "a stupid one." "Be a smart one." "Be a smart one." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,I'mtryingto" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,I'mtryingto be." "be." "Haven't I proved myself yet?" "Haven't I proved myself yet?" "JENNY:" "Youdon'tneedto" "JENNY:" "Youdon'tneedto prove yourself to me." "prove yourself to me." "You need to prove yourself to" "You need to prove yourself to you." "you." "It's a process that people go" "It's a process that people go through, accepting who they are through, accepting who they are sexually in this new world." "sexually in this new world." "Cait is not gonna find someone" "Cait is not gonna find someone until she looks, and she can't until she looks, and she can't look until she accepts herself." "look until she accepts herself." "We all deserve love, and I-I" "We all deserve love, and I-I worry for you, Caitlyn, that, worry for you, Caitlyn, that, um, you're-you're not letting um, you're-you're not letting yourself be loved." "yourself be loved." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llplaythatcard" "CAITLYN:" "I 'llplaythatcard someday." "Hey, baby!" "How's everybody doing?" "How's everybody doing?" "All my traveling buddies are" "All my traveling buddies are here." "here." "ZACKARY:" "Letme takeyour" "ZACKARY:" "Letme takeyour purse." "purse." "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou ?" "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou ?" "VAN:" "Hi,I'mVan ." "VAN:" "Hi,I'mVan ." "I'm Zackary's rotten sister." "I'm Zackary's rotten sister." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "VAN:" "Yes,it 'strue." "VAN:" "Yes,it 'strue." "CAITLYN:" "Thedirtyone ?" "CAITLYN:" "Thedirtyone ?" "VAN:" "Tothecore." "VAN:" "Tothecore." "CAITLYN:" "Ofcourse." "CAITLYN:" "Ofcourse." "ANNABELLE:" "I 'mAnnabelle," "ANNABELLE:" "I 'mAnnabelle, Chandi's coworker." "Chandi's coworker." "CAITLYN:" "Hi." "Nicetoseeyou." "CAITLYN:" "Hi." "Nicetoseeyou." "ANNABELLE:" "Niceto meetyou ." "ANNABELLE:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Doesn'teverybody" "CAITLYN:" "Doesn'teverybody look so nice?" "look so nice?" "ZACKARY:" "Whydon'twe, uh," "ZACKARY:" "Whydon'twe, uh,  head on over." "head on over." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sdo it ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sdo it ." "Ever since the road trip, I" "Ever since the road trip, I really haven't had a chance to really haven't had a chance to spend any time with the girls." "spend any time with the girls." "I am so looking forward to" "I am so looking forward to having a great dinner and honest having a great dinner and honest conversation." "conversation." "VAN:" "Thankyousomuch ." "VAN:" "Thankyousomuch ." "CAITLYN:" "Wheredo youlive?" "CAITLYN:" "Wheredo youlive?" "VAN:" "I livein thefoothills" "VAN:" "I livein thefoothills of the Ozarks outside of St." "of the Ozarks outside of St. Louis, Missouri, about an hour." "Louis, Missouri, about an hour." "ZACKARY:" "Shealsoworksin" "ZACKARY:" "Shealsoworksin Hollywood." "Hollywood." "VAN:" "Well,Icommute." "VAN:" "Well,Icommute." "ZACKARY:" "Halftime." "ZACKARY:" "Halftime." "Half of the year." "Half of the year." "CAITLYN:" "That'salong" "CAITLYN:" "That'salong commute." "commute." "ZACKARY:" "Shesurvivedall my" "ZACKARY:" "Shesurvivedall my boyfriends." "boyfriends." "VAN:" "Andshesurvivedallmy" "VAN:" "Andshesurvivedallmy plane wrecks." "plane wrecks." "(Zackary laughs)" "(Zackary laughs) CANDIS:" "It'sso hardtomeet" "CANDIS:" "It'sso hardtomeet  somebody who is normal." "somebody who is normal." "It's a lot of work." "It's a lot of work." "CAITLYN:" "It'salot ofwork ." "CAITLYN:" "It'salot ofwork ." "CANDIS:" "Havingarelationship" "CANDIS:" "Havingarelationship is a lot of work." "is a lot of work." "TRACE:" "I gaveup ." "TRACE:" "I gaveup ." "VAN:" "Howmanyguyshave ever" "VAN:" "Howmanyguyshave ever  stood you up before?" "stood you up before?" "(Trace scoffs)" "(Trace scoffs) You lost count?" "You lost count?" "TRACE:" "Lostcount." "TRACE:" "Lostcount." "VAN:" "Me,too." "VAN:" "Me,too." "TRACE:" "I metaguy ,and we" "TRACE:" "I metaguy ,and we were texting and I was like, were texting and I was like, "Oh, by the way, uh, I'm TS."" ""Oh, by the way, uh, I'm TS." He was like, "Well, I've never" "He was like, "Well, I've never dealt with that before, but dealt with that before, but okay."" "okay." So then we were getting ready to" "So then we were getting ready to meet up for a date, and I was meet up for a date, and I was like, "You know, are you sure like, "You know, are you sure you're good with my gender" "you're good with my gender history and everything?"" "history and everything?" And he was like, "Wait, your" "And he was like, "Wait, your gender history?"" "gender history?" And I'm like, "Transsexual or" "And I'm like, "Transsexual or transgender."" "transgender." "Oh, I thought you had Turner" ""Oh, I thought you had Turner syndrome."" "syndrome." (laughter)" "(laughter) VAN:" "What'sthat?" "VAN:" "What'sthat?" "TRACE:" "Andhe waslike,"Oh," "TRACE:" "Andhe waslike,"Oh,  I'm sorry." "I'm sorry." "I can't deal with transsexual."" "I can't deal with transsexual." And I was like, "Okay, so..."" "And I was like, "Okay, so..." VAN:" "Well,he justpassedup" "VAN:" "Well,he justpassedup the best ice cream in the world, the best ice cream in the world, honey." "honey." "TRACE:" "Yeah,he calledme," "TRACE:" "Yeah,he calledme,  like, two months later for a like, two months later for a hookup, which they always do." "hookup, which they always do." "CANDIS:" "Ofcourse." "CANDIS:" "Ofcourse." "TRACE:" "But,uh ..." "TRACE:" "But,uh ..." "CHANDI:" "It'scrazythatonce" "CHANDI:" "It'scrazythatonce  we share that information we share that information with-with them, how quickly that with-with them, how quickly that conversation goes from being a conversation goes from being a nice "I want to take you out and" "nice "I want to take you out and get to know you" to strictly get to know you" to strictly sex, just instantly." "sex, just instantly." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CHANDI:" "Yes,Cait." "CHANDI:" "Yes,Cait." "WOMAN:" "Oh,definitely." "WOMAN:" "Oh,definitely." "ZACKARY:" "Basically,we 're" "ZACKARY:" "Basically,we 're living in a world that has no living in a world that has no place for us." "place for us." "CHANDI:" "Right." "ZACKARY:" "Stickwithwomen, Caitlyn-- much easier." "Caitlyn-- much easier." "VAN:" "Transmenthough," "VAN:" "Transmenthough, they're good." "they're good." "Why don't you tell us about" "Why don't you tell us about that, Zackary." "that, Zackary." "ZACKARY:" "Theyalreadyknow" "ZACKARY:" "Theyalreadyknow about it." "about it." "I love trans men." "I love trans men." "WOMAN:" "I do,too." "WOMAN:" "I do,too." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "VAN:" "There'salot oftrans" "VAN:" "There'salot oftrans on trans relationships though." "on trans relationships though." "ZACKARY:" "Therereallyare ." "ZACKARY:" "Therereallyare ." "VAN:" "It'sbecomingalot" "VAN:" "It'sbecomingalot more popular." "more popular." "CAITLYN:" "Doyouthinkit's" "CAITLYN:" "Doyouthinkit's  good?" "good?" "VAN:" "Yes." "Theyunderstand" "VAN:" "Yes." "Theyunderstand each other." "each other." "ZACKARY:" "Whenwe 'redating" "ZACKARY:" "Whenwe 'redating cis people, we're really aware cis people, we're really aware of the fact that we're trans, of the fact that we're trans, and when you're with another and when you're with another trans person, it's a completely" "trans person, it's a completely free space." "free space." "VAN:" "Thetransman doesn't" "VAN:" "Thetransman doesn't come with the shame that a cis come with the shame that a cis male comes with, because it's male comes with, because it's been projected upon them if they been projected upon them if they love trans women that it's" "love trans women that it's gonna, like, really box them gonna, like, really box them into this "homosexual" style." "into this "homosexual" style." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "VAN:" "SoIthinkweshouldall" "VAN:" "SoIthinkweshouldall just date trans men and get over just date trans men and get over it." "it." "TRACE:" "I thinkyou'reright." "TRACE:" "I thinkyou'reright." "CAITLYN:" "Tothetransmen." "CAITLYN:" "Tothetransmen." "VAN:" "Mayyouall experience" "VAN:" "Mayyouall experience one in your lifetime." "one in your lifetime." "(laughter)" "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,it'slike  climbing Mount Everest!" "climbing Mount Everest!" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,wait,wait," "CAITLYN:" "Oh,wait,wait, wait, color coordinated!" "wait, color coordinated!" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) That's so scary." "That's so scary." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "Are you kidding?" "Are you kidding?" "CAITLYN:" "Where'samirror?" "CAITLYN:" "Where'samirror?" "Where's a mirror?" "Where's a mirror?" "Of course there's a mirror in" "Of course there's a mirror in your house." "your house." "CANDIS:" "We'rewearingthe" "CANDIS:" "We'rewearingthe  same color." "same color." "CAITLYN:" "Weare." "CAITLYN:" "Weare." "That's funny." "That's funny." "CANDIS:" "Well,thankyou for" "CANDIS:" "Well,thankyou for  coming over." "coming over." "CAITLYN:" "Mypleasure." "CAITLYN:" "Mypleasure." "What's the deal with your car?" "What's the deal with your car?" "CANDIS:" "Myairconditioning" "CANDIS:" "Myairconditioning doesn't work." "doesn't work." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "CAITLYN:" "Noway." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Whatyearisthe" "CAITLYN:" "Whatyearisthe car?" "car?" "Let's go down and see the car." "Let's go down and see the car." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "Okay." "Be careful, because these have" "Be careful, because these have no traction, so walk sideways." "no traction, so walk sideways." "CAITLYN:" "I gotflatson." "CAITLYN:" "I gotflatson." "You got a bigger problem than" "You got a bigger problem than me." "me." "CANDIS:" "Ifyouweretokill" "CANDIS:" "Ifyouweretokill yourself on these stairs, I yourself on these stairs, I would... would..." "CAITLYN:" "Whenareyou gonna" "CAITLYN:" "Whenareyou gonna put an elevator in this place?" "put an elevator in this place?" "Volvo?" "Volvo?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Youdon'tsee meina" "CANDIS:" "Youdon'tsee meina Volvo?" "Volvo?" "CAITLYN:" "No,Idon 'tsee you" "CAITLYN:" "No,Idon 'tsee you  in a Volvo." "in a Volvo." "What do you got for miles?" "What do you got for miles?" "CANDIS:200,000." "CANDIS:200,000." "CAITLYN:" "Youput200,000" "CAITLYN:" "Youput200,000 miles on... miles on..." "CANDIS:" "Oris it 100,000?" "CANDIS:" "Oris it 100,000?" "CAITLYN:" "Wherethehellare" "CAITLYN:" "Wherethehellare you going?" "you going?" "CANDIS:" "Maybeit 's100,000" "CANDIS:" "Maybeit 's100,000 miles. (laughs) miles. (laughs) CAITLYN:" "It's100,000." "CAITLYN:" "It's100,000." "You're only off by 100,000." "(bumper scrapes) Does it always do that?" "Does it always do that?" "CANDIS:" "Whenthere'smore" "CANDIS:" "Whenthere'smore than one of us... than one of us..." "CAITLYN:" "Inthecar ?" "CAITLYN:" "Inthecar ?" "CANDIS:" "Inthecar ." "CANDIS:" "Inthecar ." "CAITLYN:" "Where'syour" "CAITLYN:" "Where'syour backup video?" "backup video?" "CANDIS:" "See?" "CANDIS:" "See?" "Like, it just goes on." "Like, it just goes on." "What is going with this car?" "What is going with this car?" "CAITLYN:" "Whydidyour" "CAITLYN:" "Whydidyour blinkers go on for no reason?" "blinkers go on for no reason?" "That's strange." "That's strange." "CANDIS:" "I lovethatIhave" "CANDIS:" "I lovethatIhave  Caitlyn pumping gas." "Caitlyn pumping gas." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "It's what I do, girl." "It's what I do, girl." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Yeah, I don't want you to break" "Yeah, I don't want you to break a nail." "a nail." "I've been doing that kind of" "I've been doing that kind of stuff all my life, so I can help stuff all my life, so I can help Candis out, you know, find a" "Candis out, you know, find a garage, get her car fixed, garage, get her car fixed, 'cause it's got to be in working 'cause it's got to be in working order." "order." "The electrical keeps, like," "The electrical keeps, like, going crazy." "going crazy." "MECHANIC:" "Allright." "MECHANIC:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "There'sa" "CAITLYN:" "There'sa thud-thud-thud-thud-thud." "thud-thud-thud-thud-thud." "MECHANIC:" "Okay." "MECHANIC:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Maybeabad tire." "CAITLYN:" "Maybeabad tire." "MECHANIC:" "Checktiresand a" "MECHANIC:" "Checktiresand a thumping noise." "thumping noise." "CAITLYN:" "Andtheair" "CAITLYN:" "Andtheair  conditioning's not working now." "conditioning's not working now." "MECHANIC:" "I 'llgiveit a" "MECHANIC:" "I 'llgiveit a once-over, give it a safety once-over, give it a safety check." "check." "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,that's" "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,that's exactly what it needs." "exactly what it needs." "MECHANIC:" "Okay,earlynext" "MECHANIC:" "Okay,earlynext week, we'll get it all done." "week, we'll get it all done." "CANDIS:" "Thankyousomuch ." "CANDIS:" "Thankyousomuch ." "MECHANIC:" "Noproblem." "MECHANIC:" "Noproblem." "Done deal." "Okay." "Done deal." "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Youkindof, like," "CAITLYN:" "Youkindof, like, need somebody in your life to need somebody in your life to take care of you, and most take care of you, and most people take that for granted." "people take that for granted." "And-and I-I never have." "And-and I-I never have." "CANDIS:" "Youknow,the car" "CANDIS:" "Youknow,the car  thing has really bummed me out, thing has really bummed me out, because I don't feel in control, because I don't feel in control, and I've always been somebody" "and I've always been somebody who's always been in control of who's always been in control of my life and my career." "my life and my career." "And after moving out to" "And after moving out to Hollywood and having the market" "Hollywood and having the market crash and everything kind of crash and everything kind of melted away and not working as melted away and not working as much, it was a tough few years, much, it was a tough few years, you know?" "you know?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah." "I think one of the worst things" "I think one of the worst things you can do is not feel excited you can do is not feel excited about the future, you know?" "about the future, you know?" "CANDIS:" "It'sbeenalong" "CANDIS:" "It'sbeenalong  time." "time." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I-I moved out here with a guy, and... and..." "CAITLYN:" "Isthisthe sameone" "CAITLYN:" "Isthisthe sameone you had had for years?" "you had had for years?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,sevenyears." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,sevenyears." "CAITLYN:" "Sevenyears" "CAITLYN:" "Sevenyears together." "together." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "A little over seven years." "A little over seven years." "Then when things got rough, he" "Then when things got rough, he was abusing, kind of abusing." "was abusing, kind of abusing." "I am a person who sees red" "I am a person who sees red flags but keeps going." "CANDIS:" "Thenwhenthingsgot rough, he was abusing, kind of rough, he was abusing, kind of abusing." "abusing." "I am a person who sees red" "I am a person who sees red flags but keeps going." "Like, my... one of my boyfriends ripped a sink out of the wall, ripped a sink out of the wall, in a rage." "in a rage." "I allowed the men I choose to" "I allowed the men I choose to date in the past to treat me the date in the past to treat me the way no woman should be treated." "way no woman should be treated." "I played it off like, "Oh, it's" "I played it off like, "Oh, it's okay; he was just having a bad okay; he was just having a bad night."" "night." Like, red flag." "Like, red flag." "You know what I mean?" "You know what I mean?" "CAITLYN:" "Majorredflag." "CAITLYN:" "Majorredflag." "CANDIS:" "Allof my" "CANDIS:" "Allof my  relationships, every single one, relationships, every single one, I look back and I think, I" "I look back and I think, I should have gotten out or-or had should have gotten out or-or had a more finite, uh, line that you a more finite, uh, line that you can't cross." "can't cross." "It took me two years to break" "It took me two years to break up, even though I knew that it up, even though I knew that it wasn't right." "wasn't right." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "How long ago was this?" "How long ago was this?" "CANDIS:" "Thiswas,like,I" "CANDIS:" "Thiswas,like,I don't know, three years ago." "don't know, three years ago." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CANDIS:" "AndI'vedatedoff" "CANDIS:" "AndI'vedatedoff and on, but... you know." "and on, but... you know." "CAITLYN:" "Anybodyspecial?" "CAITLYN:" "Anybodyspecial?" "CANDIS:" "No." "CANDIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No?" "CAITLYN:" "No?" "CANDIS:" "No." "Idon 'tthink" "CANDIS:" "No." "Idon 'tthink I..." "I don't think I could go" "I..." "I don't think I could go there anymore." "there anymore." "I just, honestly, I don't trust" "I just, honestly, I don't trust the process." "You know?" "the process." "You know?" "Like, I-I... my whole life, I've" "Like, I-I... my whole life, I've wanted that, you know." "wanted that, you know." "Like, you've been so fortunate." "Like, you've been so fortunate." "You've had wives..." "You've had wives..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,I'vehad" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,I'vehad  those, yes." "those, yes." "CANDIS:...andyouhavekids ." "CANDIS:...andyouhavekids ." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "So fortunate." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "So fortunate." "CANDIS:" "Like,I've..." "I've" "CANDIS:" "Like,I've..." "I've had failed relationship after had failed relationship after failed relationship, and I can't failed relationship, and I can't figure out why." "figure out why." "You know?" "You know?" "It makes no sense, because I-I" "It makes no sense, because I-I think of myself as, like, a-a think of myself as, like, a-a good person." "good person." "I'm really nice to the people" "I'm really nice to the people that I'm with." "that I'm with." "But, um, it just..." "I have this," "But, um, it just..." "I have this, like, this relationship idea on like, this relationship idea on a pedestal, because my parents a pedestal, because my parents have been married for 50 years, have been married for 50 years, and-and I just let things go." "and-and I just let things go." "I-I think it also..." "like, just" "I-I think it also..." "like, just being trans and trying to date being trans and trying to date is-is... is-is..." "CAITLYN:" "Tough." "CAITLYN:" "Tough." "CANDIS:" "Tough,becauseyou" "CANDIS:" "Tough,becauseyou  don't find a guy that's... don't find a guy that's..." "CAITLYN:" "You'relimited." "CAITLYN:" "You'relimited." "CANDIS:" "You'relimited." "CANDIS:" "You'relimited." "I want, with all my heart, what" "I want, with all my heart, what my parents have." "my parents have." "But your pool of men, it gets" "But your pool of men, it gets thinner as you... once you, you thinner as you... once you, you know, tell them that you're... know, tell them that you're..." "you're trans." "you're trans." "CAITLYN:" "It'sgonnabeokay ." "CAITLYN:" "It'sgonnabeokay ." "It's gonna be okay." "It's gonna be okay." "(Candis sniffles)" "(Candis sniffles) CANDIS:" "ButI, youknow..." "CANDIS:" "ButI, youknow..." "CAITLYN:" "Thelasttwo years," "CAITLYN:" "Thelasttwo years, you didn't have me, hanging out, you didn't have me, hanging out, to hang out with, right?" "to hang out with, right?" "CANDIS:" "I know." "CANDIS:" "I know." "I just don't think it's ever" "I just don't think it's ever gonna happen in the love gonna happen in the love department." "department." "CAITLYN:" "Youcan'tthink" "CAITLYN:" "Youcan'tthink that way." "that way." "(dog barks)" "(dog barks) You just can't think that way." "You just can't think that way." "(barking)" "(barking) Your dogs love you." "Your dogs love you." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,it 'sgonna" "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,it 'sgonna be okay." "be okay." "Got to be excited about the" "Got to be excited about the future." "future." "(Candis sniffles)" "(Candis sniffles) CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Hey,sister." "Look at you." "Look at you." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "You look so pretty." "You look so pretty." "CHANDI:" "Mm,don'tyou look" "CHANDI:" "Mm,don'tyou look gorg." "gorg." "CANDIS:" "We'rebothkindof" "CANDIS:" "We'rebothkindof flowy, salon mamas." "flowy, salon mamas." "CHANDI:" "A littleflowyand" "CHANDI:" "A littleflowyand  fun and... fun and..." "CANDIS:" "I lovethehair." "CANDIS:" "I lovethehair." "CHANDI:" "Thankyou." "CHANDI:" "Thankyou." "You know, another one of my" "You know, another one of my hats." "hats." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "So..." "CANDIS:" "So..." "CHANDI:" "Sowhat'sgoingon," "CHANDI:" "Sowhat'sgoingon, mama?" "mama?" "CANDIS:" "Just,youknow..." "CANDIS:" "Just,youknow..." "I've been trying to date online," "I've been trying to date online, and that's just not really and that's just not really working, you know?" "working, you know?" "CHANDI:" "Mmm..." "For us, it's just... the hardest thing." "thing." "But the killer part is that some" "But the killer part is that some guys just think that we'll go guys just think that we'll go for anything." "for anything." "CANDIS:" "Mm." "CANDIS:" "Mm." "CHANDI:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "CHANDI:" "YouknowwhatImean?" "As if we don't have standards or" "As if we don't have standards or morals... morals..." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:...oratypeorany" "CHANDI:...oratypeorany of those things." "of those things." "They just think we want anything" "They just think we want anything that's moving, and that's not that's moving, and that's not the case." "the case." "CANDIS:" "A lotof us girls..." "CANDIS:" "A lotof us girls..." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm?" "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm?" "CANDIS:...tolerateawhole" "CANDIS:...tolerateawhole bunch of (bleep)." "bunch of (bleep)." "Because they feel like they..." "Because they feel like they..." "you know, have to deal with the you know, have to deal with the crap that men, you know, dish crap that men, you know, dish out." "out." "CHANDI:" "Becauseof whothey" "CHANDI:" "Becauseof whothey are." "are." "CANDIS:" "Becauseof whoand" "CANDIS:" "Becauseof whoand  what they are." "what they are." "CHANDI:" "I sayno to that." "CHANDI:" "I sayno to that." "CANDIS:" "No." "CANDIS:" "No." "CHANDI:" "Andfindingmen who" "CHANDI:" "Andfindingmen who  are willing to commit, you know, are willing to commit, you know, that's the challenge." "that's the challenge." "CANDIS:" "I don'tthinkit's" "CANDIS:" "I don'tthinkit's gonna happen." "gonna happen." "Because of that fact, you know?" "Because of that fact, you know?" "No, I don't." "No, I don't." "Like, I-I put in, I put in all" "Like, I-I put in, I put in all my hopes and my dreams in a my hopes and my dreams in a bunch of relationships that went bunch of relationships that went nowhere." "nowhere." "CHANDI:" "I don'twanttohear" "CHANDI:" "I don'twanttohear  you say that." "you say that." "(Candis chuckles)" "(Candis chuckles) We just have to maintain that" "We just have to maintain that hope." "hope." "We have all the goods." "We have all the goods." "Why they can't see that yet" "Why they can't see that yet-- that's not our problem." "that's not our problem." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Somebodywillget it." "CHANDI:" "Somebodywillget it." "CANDIS:" "MaybeIshouldjust" "CANDIS:" "MaybeIshouldjust  date Cait." "date Cait." "(laughs)" "(laughs) CHANDI:" "Well,whynot ?" "CHANDI:" "Well,whynot ?" "Why not?" "Why not?" "It's all over the papers anyway." "It's all over the papers anyway." "CANDIS:" "Itis ." "CANDIS:" "Itis ." "I mean, everybody thinks we are" "I mean, everybody thinks we are anyway." "anyway." "CHANDI:" "Andwhowouldbemore" "CHANDI:" "Andwhowouldbemore perfect for Cait than someone perfect for Cait than someone who understands her?" "who understands her?" "Oh, complete journey." "Oh, complete journey." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Yes." "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Mygosh." "CANDIS:" "Mygosh." "CHANDI:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Well,youknow,my little Candis, she's been kindnd little Candis, she's been kindnd of down." "of down." "Down on her love life, dowown on" "Down on her love life, dowown on work, down on this, down on work, down on this, down on that." "that." "I want to cheer her up, , and so" "I want to cheer her up, , and so I'm gonna invite her to camp" "I'm gonna invite her to camp day." "day." "Yes, we're going to a a camp tht" "Yes, we're going to a a camp tht is all transgender kids." "is all transgender kids." "What a great idea!" "What a great idea!" "One of the big problems with" "One of the big problems with being trans, especially as a being trans, especially as a youth, is s you really feel youth, is s you really feel isolated." "isolated." "You feel like you are the only" "You feel like you are the only person in the world that is person in the world that is trans." "trans." "To, uh, find people that they" "To, uh, find people that they can identify with, that they can can identify with, that they can be friends with, it's so very be friends with, it's so very important." "important." "I hope that this camp will" "I hope that this camp will re-inspire little Candis and get re-inspire little Candis and get her going again, because life's her going again, because life's good and it's short." "Hello, everybody." "KIDS:" "Hi." "KIDS:" "Hi." "CAITLYN:" "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Caitlyn." "How are you?" "How are you?" "COUNSELOR:" "Everyone,thisis" "COUNSELOR:" "Everyone,thisis Caitlyn and Candis." "Caitlyn and Candis." "CANDIS:" "Hi,youguys." "CANDIS:" "Hi,youguys." "CAITLYN:" "Good,we 'llstart" "CAITLYN:" "Good,we 'llstart down here." "Slide over." "down here." "Slide over." "(laughter)" "(laughter) Where do we start?" "Where do we start?" "NICK:" "Well,we wantto" "NICK:" "Well,we wantto welcome everyone to camp, and, welcome everyone to camp, and, um, welcome many of you back to um, welcome many of you back to camp." "camp." "This is our sixth year running." "This is our sixth year running." "We started with 40 kids, and" "We started with 40 kids, and we're serving over 400 campers we're serving over 400 campers this year in different this year in different locations." "locations." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "CANDIS:" "Wow." "NICK:" "Sowe 'rereally" "NICK:" "Sowe 'rereally excited." "excited." "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "NICK:" "Yeah." "NICK:" "Yeah." "I'm transgender, and I felt like" "I'm transgender, and I felt like a lot of camps don't know what a lot of camps don't know what to do with trans kids; they to do with trans kids; they don't know where to house them" "don't know where to house them or what to do, and I said, "All or what to do, and I said, "All right." "right." "We got to start something."" "We got to start something." Have kids, you know, go" "Have kids, you know, go somewhere and be understood." "somewhere and be understood." "CAITLYN:" "What'sthebestpart" "CAITLYN:" "What'sthebestpart  about coming to camp?" "about coming to camp?" "ANYA:" "Campisn'treallyabout" "ANYA:" "Campisn'treallyabout being trans." "being trans." "It's just about having a good" "It's just about having a good time with people who understand time with people who understand you and get what you've gone you and get what you've gone through." "through." "JORDAN:" "Theword"judging"" "JORDAN:" "Theword"judging" and "judgment" doesn't even and "judgment" doesn't even exist." "exist." "I was a super shy and really" "I was a super shy and really self-conscious person before I self-conscious person before I went to camp, and it was a went to camp, and it was a definite confidence-booster to definite confidence-booster to be able to have that reassuring" "be able to have that reassuring feeling that people are in this feeling that people are in this world just like me." "world just like me." "JUSTIN:" "WhenIwenttoother" "JUSTIN:" "WhenIwenttoother  camps, I was judged by what I camps, I was judged by what I liked and what I did." "liked and what I did." "And at Aranu'tiq, being around" "And at Aranu'tiq, being around friends is really nice when you friends is really nice when you haven't been around friends for haven't been around friends for most of your life." "most of your life." "CAITLYN:" "Well,yougot" "CAITLYN:" "Well,yougot  friends here." "friends here." "JUSTIN:" "Yeah." "JUSTIN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Wow,IwishIhad a" "CANDIS:" "Wow,IwishIhad a  camp like this when I was 14." "camp like this when I was 14." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Ididn'thave" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Ididn'thave  anything like this." "anything like this." "Yes, yes." "Yes, yes." "CANDIS:" "That'swhat'sso" "CANDIS:" "That'swhat'sso magical about this, is being magical about this, is being able to share stories with each able to share stories with each other, which is so great at your other, which is so great at your age to do that." "age to do that." "It's amazing." "It's amazing." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "If I would've had somebody to" "If I would've had somebody to open up to at a much younger open up to at a much younger age, it would've made me feel a age, it would've made me feel a lot better about myself." "lot better about myself." "CANDIS:" "I wouldlovetohear" "CANDIS:" "I wouldlovetohear  more stories." "more stories." "LILY:" "Yeah,my parents,uh," "LILY:" "Yeah,my parents,uh,  it was quite a shocker, because it was quite a shocker, because I was always the son who played" "I was always the son who played football, you know?" "football, you know?" "I was, like, the starting" "I was, like, the starting quarterback." "quarterback." "If I had to say one thing, it's" "If I had to say one thing, it's that I've heard throughout, you that I've heard throughout, you know, my transition and being know, my transition and being trans that, um, you know, "Oh," "trans that, um, you know, "Oh, maybe you're just confused about maybe you're just confused about your gender."" "your gender." And I think that, because we" "And I think that, because we have to go through this whole have to go through this whole experience and have so many experience and have so many people doubting our gender, that people doubting our gender, that it really... it makes us," "it really... it makes us, ourselves, know it better than ourselves, know it better than most people do." "most people do." "I just learned so much from the" "I just learned so much from the campers and the counselors, just campers and the counselors, just about what it means to be trans about what it means to be trans and also what it means to be a" "and also what it means to be a person." "person." "I know a couple people who" "I know a couple people who haven't had that support and haven't had that support and things are definitely harder." "things are definitely harder." "I just have to say, like, stick" "I just have to say, like, stick through it, because while you through it, because while you seem stuck in the moment, and seem stuck in the moment, and you kind of are, there's going" "you kind of are, there's going to be people who are going to to be people who are going to help you and there's gonna be, help you and there's gonna be, you know, a community that" "you know, a community that will support you." "will support you." "JORDAN:" "Ifyou'requestioning" "JORDAN:" "Ifyou'requestioning your identity, I think people your identity, I think people should come out." "should come out." "Even if it's just to, like, a" "Even if it's just to, like, a close friend or to your pet, close friend or to your pet, at least just saying that, at least just saying that, like, "I'm a boy" or "I'm a" "like, "I'm a boy" or "I'm a girl," saying that is really girl," saying that is really helpful and brightens your soul." "helpful and brightens your soul." "CAITLYN:" "I lovethat." "CAITLYN:" "I lovethat." "CANDIS:" "Beingaroundthose" "CANDIS:" "Beingaroundthose kids, who were so vivacious, kids, who were so vivacious, they just feel so good about they just feel so good about themselves and they're so themselves and they're so comfortable in their skin," "comfortable in their skin, really kind of inspires me." "really kind of inspires me." "I know I was in a rut for a" "I know I was in a rut for a while with my career and my while with my career and my love life, and I realized that love life, and I realized that that stuff will come." "that stuff will come." "It's about me feeling good about" "It's about me feeling good about myself and being a good role myself and being a good role model for people like these model for people like these kids." "kids." "It's the adults versus kids." "It's the adults versus kids." "BOY:" "Weneedhelp." "BOY:" "Weneedhelp." "CAITLYN:" "We'llkicktheir" "CAITLYN:" "We'llkicktheir butt." "butt." "COUNSELOR:" "Allright,may the" "COUNSELOR:" "Allright,may the  best team win!" "best team win!" "(cheering)" "(cheering) CAITLYN:" "No!" "Don'tlet itgo!" "CAITLYN:" "No!" "Don'tlet itgo!" "This camp gives you hope." "This camp gives you hope." "You see, at such a young age," "You see, at such a young age, these kids who are dealing with these kids who are dealing with a very tough issue and dealing a very tough issue and dealing with it with grace and dignity." "with it with grace and dignity." "(cheering)" "CANDIS:" "Olympian,my ass." "CAITLYN:" "I obviouslydidn't" "CAITLYN:" "I obviouslydidn't pick this team." "pick this team." "(laughter)" "(laughter) They're gonna come out the other" "They're gonna come out the other side, just, you know, a great side, just, you know, a great part of society." "part of society." "Thank you to the camp." "Hey!" "Thank you to the camp." "Hey!" "We're all beautiful!" "We're all beautiful!" "Hey!" "CANDIS:" "Okay." "I kind of had given up a little" "I kind of had given up a little bit on love, but I have this bit on love, but I have this friend who knows a matchmaker, friend who knows a matchmaker, so I decided just to do it." "so I decided just to do it." "I'm really excited, um, to see" "I'm really excited, um, to see if it's even possible for a if it's even possible for a matchmaker to match a trans matchmaker to match a trans woman." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CANDIS:" "You-youlookhot !" "CANDIS:" "You-youlookhot !" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Idon 'tknow" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Idon 'tknow how you girls walk in these how you girls walk in these shoes." "shoes." "So, of course, I brought my" "So, of course, I brought my sandals." "sandals." "CANDIS:" "Justin case." "CANDIS:" "Justin case." "CAITLYN:" "Justin case." "CAITLYN:" "Justin case." "CANDIS:" "That'sforthe ride" "CANDIS:" "That'sforthe ride home." "home." "CAITLYN:" "Ordownthe stairs." "CAITLYN:" "Ordownthe stairs." "CANDIS:" "Thosegoddamnstairs." "CANDIS:" "Thosegoddamnstairs." "CAITLYN:" "Arewe doingthis?" "CAITLYN:" "Arewe doingthis?" "CANDIS:" "We'redoingthis." "CANDIS:" "We'redoingthis." "I asked Cait to come over here" "I asked Cait to come over here and support me, but we both and support me, but we both should utilize the matchmaker's should utilize the matchmaker's services, so I'm gonna try to services, so I'm gonna try to convince her to go along with" "convince her to go along with it." "it." "You know, I'm actually excited" "You know, I'm actually excited about getting you to try to get about getting you to try to get matched up also." "matched up also." "CAITLYN:" "Not..." "CAITLYN:" "Not..." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:...inamillion" "CAITLYN:...inamillion years." "years." "CANDIS:" "Cait." "CANDIS:" "Cait." "CAITLYN:" "No,I-I..." "CAITLYN:" "No,I-I..." "I don't need a matchmaking" "I don't need a matchmaking service." "service." "CANDIS:" "Well,youdon 'thave" "CANDIS:" "Well,youdon 'thave to, like, go out on a to, like, go out on a full-fledged date or anything." "full-fledged date or anything." "They're not gonna put your face" "They're not gonna put your face on a... on a..." "(Samson howling, barking)" "(Samson howling, barking) CAITLYN:" "Please." "CAITLYN:" "Please." "Please." "Please." "CANDIS:" "He'shere." "CANDIS:" "He'shere." "It's okay, Samson." "It's okay, Samson." "Samson, really." "Samson, really." "Hi." "How are you?" "Hi." "How are you?" "LOUIE:" "Good." "LOUIE:" "Good." "How are you?" "How are you?" "CANDIS:" "Good." "I'mCandis." "CANDIS:" "Good." "I'mCandis." "LOUIE:" "I 'mLouie." "LOUIE:" "I 'mLouie." "CANDIS:" "Comeon in ." "CANDIS:" "Comeon in ." "CAITLYN:" "Niceto meetyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Niceto meetyou ." "LOUIE:" "Hi,nicetomeet you," "LOUIE:" "Hi,nicetomeet you,  too." "too." "Gorgeous." "Gorgeous." "You ladies are gorgeous." "You ladies are gorgeous." "CANDIS:" "Whydon'twegoout" "CANDIS:" "Whydon'twegoout into the backyard?" "It's nice... into the backyard?" "It's nice..." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo hitthe" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo hitthe  backyard." "backyard." "LOUIE:" "Please,afteryou ." "LOUIE:" "Please,afteryou ." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Would you like a glass of wine?" "Would you like a glass of wine?" "LOUIE:" "Uh,sure." "CANDIS:" "Thereyougo." "LOUIE:" "Awesome." "LOUIE:" "Awesome." "CAITLYN:" "Tellme alittle" "CAITLYN:" "Tellme alittle bit about what you guys do." "bit about what you guys do." "LOUIE:" "Uh,so I'vebeendoing" "LOUIE:" "Uh,so I'vebeendoing this for almost 13 years." "this for almost 13 years." "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoureally?" "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoureally?" "LOUIE:" "I have." "LOUIE:" "I have." "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,how many" "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,how many successful ones?" "successful ones?" "LOUIE:" "Thousands." "LOUIE:" "Thousands." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "I'm excited now." "I'm excited now." "CANDIS:" "I know." "CANDIS:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mexcitedforyou ." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mexcitedforyou ." "LOUIE:" "Wetypicallycaterto" "LOUIE:" "Wetypicallycaterto high-quality, high-caliber, high-quality, high-caliber, well-educated and/or self-made well-educated and/or self-made men and women looking for men and women looking for long-term relationships." "long-term relationships." "CANDIS:" "That'sperfect." "CANDIS:" "That'sperfect." "Sounds like us." "Sounds like us." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgetitgoing" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgetitgoing for her." "What?" "for her." "What?" "Well, for you, yeah, you, yeah." "Well, for you, yeah, you, yeah." "This is all about you tonight." "This is all about you tonight." "CANDIS:" "Okay,well,we'll" "CANDIS:" "Okay,well,we'll see." "see." "(laughter)" "(laughter) LOUIE:" "SoI'venever,um," "LOUIE:" "SoI'venever,um, actually matched or worked with, actually matched or worked with, um, trans women, um, or any um, trans women, um, or any trans men." "trans men." "Um, but I'm excited." "Um, but I'm excited." "I mean, I see you as a" "I mean, I see you as a beautiful, successful, beautiful, successful, accomplished woman." "accomplished woman." "I really feel that I can, I can" "I really feel that I can, I can match you." "match you." "You know, the four elements of" "You know, the four elements of chemistry that most people talk chemistry that most people talk about, the first one would be about, the first one would be the obvious one, the physical the obvious one, the physical chemistry." "chemistry." "Next is intellectual," "Next is intellectual, spiritual and emotional." "spiritual and emotional." "So when you think about who you" "So when you think about who you see yourself for a long-term see yourself for a long-term relationship, what's the driving relationship, what's the driving force behind who you see force behind who you see yourself with long-term?" "yourself with long-term?" "I'm gonna give you 100% to work" "I'm gonna give you 100% to work with, but you cannot use the with, but you cannot use the same percentage twice." "same percentage twice." "Let's have Caitlyn do it, too." "Let's have Caitlyn do it, too." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Caitlyn." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Whyam Idoingit?" "CAITLYN:" "Whyam Idoingit?" "CANDIS:" "You'redoingitjust" "CANDIS:" "You'redoingitjust  for fun." "for fun." "We're not, we're not naming," "We're not, we're not naming, we're not naming any names." "we're not naming any names." "CAITLYN:" "We'renotputting" "CAITLYN:" "We'renotputting names down." "names down." "Physically, I don't know where" "Physically, I don't know where I'm at." "I'm at." "LOUIE:" "Sodo youtaketime to" "LOUIE:" "Sodo youtaketime to get to know somebody before you get to know somebody before you just determine if you're just determine if you're attracted to them, or do you attracted to them, or do you know immediately when you see" "know immediately when you see them?" "them?" "CAITLYN:" "Godblessit, this" "CAITLYN:" "Godblessit, this is making me think for a minute." "is making me think for a minute." "CANDIS:" "Okay,that'sgood." "CANDIS:" "Okay,that'sgood." "LOUIE:" "Mostmenthattake" "LOUIE:" "Mostmenthattake  this chemistry analysis, they this chemistry analysis, they think more masculine." "think more masculine." "They start with the lowest" "They start with the lowest percentage." "percentage." "CAITLYN:" "Damnit !" "CAITLYN:" "Damnit !" "That's what I did." "That's what I did." "LOUIE:" "Isit ?" "LOUIE:" "Isit ?" "CAITLYN:" "Damn!" "CAITLYN:" "Damn!" "I thought I had this transition" "I thought I had this transition down." "down." "(laughter)" "(laughter) LOUIE:" "Okay,letme, let me" "LOUIE:" "Okay,letme, let me correct myself." "correct myself." "Most people who have more of" "Most people who have more of a... a..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'ttrytoback" "CAITLYN:" "Don'ttrytoback  out of this." "out of this." "LOUIE:" "No,moreofa" "LOUIE:" "No,moreofa  masculine thought process." "masculine thought process." "You know, you just process" "You know, you just process information almost like an information almost like an engineer, if that makes sense." "engineer, if that makes sense." "You overprocess, overanalyze" "You overprocess, overanalyze information." "information." "You take a little bit more time" "You take a little bit more time to get to know someone, so to get to know someone, so you're the type of person that's you're the type of person that's gonna date their best friend." "gonna date their best friend." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Well, that's true." "Well, that's true." "Going through life with a" "Going through life with a partner, um, is always more fun." "partner, um, is always more fun." "It's probably a lot more" "It's probably a lot more complicated now that I've been complicated now that I've been out, but it's possible." "out, but it's possible." "I never want to give up on love" "I never want to give up on love and partnership." "and partnership." "That would be sad to give up" "That would be sad to give up on that." "on that." "CANDIS:" "Comeon ,girl." "CANDIS:" "Comeon ,girl." "Let's send him home." "Let's send him home." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe are,back" "CAITLYN:" "Herewe are,back where we started." "where we started." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Candisis coming over." "over." "I have a surprise for her." "CANDIS:" "Hi!" "CAITLYN:" "Didyoubringmy" "CAITLYN:" "Didyoubringmy paper?" "paper?" "CANDIS:" "I did." "CANDIS:" "I did." "Did you see them?" "Did you see them?" "This is, like, the  Los Angeles" "This is, like, the  Los Angeles Times  review on  I Am Cait." "Times  review on  I Am Cait." "CAITLYN:" "No,Ididn'tseeit." "CAITLYN:" "No,Ididn'tseeit." "CANDIS:" "Andagorgeous," "CANDIS:" "Andagorgeous, gorgeous picture of you." "gorgeous picture of you." "CAITLYN:" "Isit agoodshot ?" "CAITLYN:" "Isit agoodshot ?" "That's all I care about." "That's all I care about." "CANDIS:" "Greatshot." "CANDIS:" "Greatshot." "CAITLYN:" "Ooh!" "CAITLYN:" "Ooh!" "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" TranscendentTV."" "CAITLYN:" TranscendentTV." CANDIS:" Transformsreality" "CANDIS:" Transformsreality genre."" "genre." CAITLYN:" "Youknowwhat?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknowwhat?" "CANDIS:" "Sogood." "CANDIS:" "Sogood." "CAITLYN:" "I so,so ,so" "CAITLYN:" "I so,so ,so  worried." "worried." "Positive press." "Positive press." "CANDIS:" "MyGod,positive" "CANDIS:" "MyGod,positive press." "press." "CAITLYN:" "Positivepress!" "CAITLYN:" "Positivepress!" "CANDIS:" "MyGod." "CANDIS:" "MyGod." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "All right, so this is actually" "All right, so this is actually why I wanted you to come over." "why I wanted you to come over." "Um, I know we took your car the" "Um, I know we took your car the other day, so I got something other day, so I got something for you to drive, so let's go." "for you to drive, so let's go." "CANDIS:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Really?" "(laughs)" "Are you kidding me?" "CAITLYN:" "Candis,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Candis,yeah." "CANDIS:" "I ...( laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "I justthoughtyou 'd look good in it." "look good in it." "CANDIS:" "I 'veneverseen..." "CANDIS:" "I 'veneverseen..." "I've never seen such a gorgeous" "I've never seen such a gorgeous car." "car." "Are you kidding?" "Are you kidding?" "(laughs)" "(laughs) CAITLYN:" "I havefriendsin" "CAITLYN:" "I havefriendsin the automotive world and to be the automotive world and to be able to get, in this case, a able to get, in this case, a Lamborghini for a couple of" "Lamborghini for a couple of days is very simple." "days is very simple." "And it puts a smile on my face" "And it puts a smile on my face when my dear friend looks so when my dear friend looks so happy." "happy." "I don't want Candis to give up" "I don't want Candis to give up on herself or her dreams." "on herself or her dreams." "She deserves all the happiness" "She deserves all the happiness in the world." "in the world." "(engine revving)" "(engine revving) Let's do it!" "Let's do it!" "Candis in the Lambo!" "Candis in the Lambo!" "CANDIS:" "I reallycouldget" "CANDIS:" "I reallycouldget  used to this." "used to this." "(laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "Surf'sup ." "CANDIS:" "Gorgeous." "CANDIS:" "Gorgeous." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Can't you see the two of us" "Can't you see the two of us walking down the beach, the sun, walking down the beach, the sun, the whole thing?" "the whole thing?" "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) I have no idea" "I have no idea what the future holds what the future holds when it comes to dating and when it comes to dating and relationships and all that kind relationships and all that kind of stuff." "of stuff." "But I certainly wouldn't say no" "But I certainly wouldn't say no to anything." "to anything." "We don't know what the future" "We don't know what the future holds, and that's kind of the holds, and that's kind of the exciting part, isn't it?" "exciting part, isn't it?" "CANDIS:" "Itreallyis." "CANDIS:" "Itreallyis." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yay!" "ESTHER:" "Can'tbelieveIgot" "ESTHER:" "Can'tbelieveIgot here!" "here!" "CAITLYN:" "Youmadeit, Mom !" "CAITLYN:" "Youmadeit, Mom !" "The ESPY Awards are coming up." "The ESPY Awards are coming up." "Biggest pressure thing I've ever" "Biggest pressure thing I've ever done on a subject I have never done on a subject I have never talked about in public." "talked about in public." "Kris and I haven't talked" "Kris and I haven't talked in months." "in months." "She hasn't called me in a year." "She hasn't called me in a year." "I would like to see you, okay?" "I would like to see you, okay?" "Kris is coming over." "Kris is coming over." "I don't think I've been ready," "I don't think I've been ready, but I think it's time." "but I think it's time." "(knocking)" "Well, look who's here." "KRIS:" "Hello." "Oh ,my goodness." "KRIS:" "Hello." "Oh ,my goodness." "Captioningsponsoredby" "Captioningsponsoredby  BUNIM-MURRAYPRODUCTIONS"