"(GARY RUSSELL) Here we are for the final episode of "The Dalek Invasion of Earth"." "Richard, Carole and William have been rejoined by Verity." "When we left you, Bill, you were in a bomb about to be dropped down a mine shaft." "How exciting!" "That's a nice model, Richard." "Was that something Spencer did?" "It was actually made by the model workshop." "(VERITY) It's a good model, actually." "(GARY) We see you as a scientist, wrenching wires out of the wall, like all good scientists do!" "(WILLIAM) And again!" "(RICHARD) No wonder the headphones never worked!" "(GARY) You're tugging on whatever they're doing!" "(WILLIAM) They're pulling me back." "I don't want to go back there." "(VERITY) Definitely not (WILLIAM) Come on!" "(CAROLE) Those teeth things hanging down there look horrible." "(GARY) We're trying to avoid the exit." "(VERITY) Don't do that!" "(CAROLE) How lithe you were there!" "(VERITY) I suppose you couldn't look down, could you, through the hole?" "(VERITY) That's clever." "(CAROLE) Is that just you against ten Robomen?" "You split your jacket!" "(VERITY) How did you split your jacket?" "(CAROLE) Not immaculate at last!" "(WILLIAM) It's the effort, I think." "(GARY) Verity, a number of directors have said over the years that they find directing a few Daleks talking together quite boring." "Do you think Daleks are boring in a group like that?" "(VERITY) They're at their most effective when they're being brutal, and talking about destroying people." "I don't think an intimate conversation between three Daleks would go very far." "I don't think anybody's ever tried to personalise Daleks." "(RICHARD) Breeding Daleks!" "What's the noise of Daleks making love?" "(CAROLE) They don't have any facial expressions." "All you hear is that sound." "They're more menacing in the singular." "They sound a bit hysterical when there's a group of them." "(VERITY) I don't mind them when they're issuing orders and talking about getting the core out of the centre of the Earth, but it might be quite difficult to get anything special out of them on a one-to-one conversational level." "(WILLIAM) It depends on the situation as well." "Here, I don't find it boring at all." "I think it's quite interesting because we're wondering what Jenny is going to do and what Barbara is going to do." "(VERITY) I think they work OK in this situation because it's about something, but there's a limit to how much you can do with them." "(RICHARD) They weren't personalised." "David Graham's voice is different from Peter's, less hysterical, so you get their differentiation, but if you had a flirty Dalek, that would be something else." "(CAROLE) Are there female Daleks?" "(RICHARD) No." "They're bisexual." "(VERITY) I always had this theory that the way they procreated was that they were put on a conveyor belt, and the tops were taken off, because they were hermetically sealed, and what was inside was put on to this moving conveyor belt," "and whatever it was took place, and at the other end they were put back in and the new bits were sealed into other bits." "(RICHARD) A Dalek egg-insemination plant!" "(GARY) They actually do that later on." "(VERITY) You mean they stole my idea?" "(GARY) The very first Patrick Troughton story had a conveyor belt of Daleks with no tops, and they dropped blobs in them one by one." "They stole your idea." "Sue them!" "(LAUGHTER)" "(GARY) The Doctor Who companions in those days were never stupid." "We've seen Ian doing his science bit with his wires to escape, and Barbara's using her history knowledge to confuse the Daleks." "(VERITY) She was a history teacher." "I thought this was all rather clever." "(CAROLE) Blinding them with science." "He sounds a bit creaky and croaky, that one!" "(RICHARD) That's David Graham." "(GARY) It looks like they're happy to hold those things round their throat." "(CAROLE) Were they?" "(RICHARD) It looks highly likely!" "(CAROLE) Very suspicious!" "(VERITY) This is the moment where I long for something to be there and there isn't." "And now this is the field glasses slot." "(RICHARD) It is very irritating, not to be able to see what they see." "(VERITY) I think this is where we probably ran out of money." "(RICHARD) You could be right!" "(WILLIAM) Whoops!" "Shaky rock!" "(VERITY) Oh, dear." "(GARY) Now you're looking a little bit ruffled, William." "(VERITY) The jacket's a bit..." "(WILLIAM) Look at this!" "(VERITY) That'll teach you to wear a shantung suit!" "(WILLIAM) Is that a good idea?" "(VERITY) No, I don't think so." "It looks like a Tudor house." "(GARY) Who was responsible for adding sound effects in post-production?" "(VERITY) I don't think we did much of that." "(RICHARD) That was put down live." "(VERITY) Although we did edit." "(RICHARD) We never went into a sound dub situation." "(VERITY) You couldn't dub sound on tape in those days." "No one had quite discovered how you did it!" "(CAROLE) It does sound primitive!" "(VERITY) It was!" "We had machines in the basement." "(RICHARD) We hadn't got the ganged tapes, so you couldn't... (VERITY) We had big machines in the basement." "(RICHARD) They were editors." "They weren't the dubbing suites." "(CAROLE) So these sounds were being done and recorded at the time with us?" "(VERITY) Yes, the sound guy would be in his thing and he'd put on... (RICHARD) This, for example." "(VERITY) We must have put the music on afterwards, Richard, so we might have put some sounds..." "And we had to put the cabbage on, so we did put some things..." "I think the "creak" was put on afterwards." "(RICHARD) It looked very good, whereas some of the Dalek firing is naff in the extreme, and would have been better put on afterwards." "(VERITY) What are you doing here?" "(CAROLE) Sabotaging the bomb?" "(RICHARD) Explain yourself, Bill!" "(CAROLE) Do you remember?" "(WILLIAM) I can't." "(VERITY) Is that the bomb shaft?" "(GARY) Yes." "(CAROLE) So you ARE sabotaging the bomb." "I was very pleased with myself!" "(VERITY) You were." "Straightened your tie!" "Now it's really going." "I think that's quite an effective model." "(GARY) There you are." "He's stopped it with his twigs!" "(CAROLE) Will it come through this hole?" "(VERITY) No, it's coming down." "(GARY) So he's blocked the shaft by pushing the logs across." "(VERITY) They only look ahead, don't they?" "That one was dangerously close!" "(LAUGHTER)" "(RICHARD) They ARE holding them up!" "They were meant to be magnetic and weren't!" "(GARY) No one's gone to help poor Ann Davies." "She's still trapped!" " Oh, there she is." " (CAROLE) She released herself!" "(VERITY) When the one came off Barbara, the other one fell off." "Oh, look!" "(GARY) Was that a filmed insert you dropped in, that you'd done earlier and played back or...?" "(RICHARD) It looks as though that's fed through from the studio." "(CAROLE) So that's a monitor behind that little opening." "(VERITY) Oh, dear!" "(WILLIAM) He's boiling over!" "(VERITY) What did he do, actually?" "(CAROLE) I didn't get that." "I'm glad YOU said that!" "(GARY) It was something that Susan and David were doing at that mast." "They did something to a radio mast." "I think that somehow fried the Dalek in a certain part of the spaceship." "(GARY) Doctor Who, the great rebellion leader!" "(CAROLE) I hope Mr Jewell wasn't inside that!" "(RICHARD) He'd have been complaining like heck if he was!" "(GARY) Aw!" "Everyone's back together." "(VERITY) Not quite." "It's wonderful, this shot, as well." "(CAROLE) Ha, ha, ha, hee, hee, hee!" "I like it, I like it!" "(VERITY) This music is good." "(RICHARD) This is Chagrin." "(VERITY) See?" "(CAROLE) Whoosh!" "(VERITY) Hermetically sealed." " The vacuum was..." " (WILLIAM) Broken." "(RICHARD) These are the shots where Peter stood right on the edge." "(VERITY) They're fantastic shots." "Really, really good." " Off we go!" " (GARY) I love that stuff, that presumably Spencer designed, with all the Dalek symbols." "(VERITY) It's great." "Dalek language." "(GARY) It would have been so easy to have familiar numbers and things." "(RICHARD) To a gifted designer, this is a gift." "However limited the budget, it frees them up and gives them enormous creative liberty." "(VERITY) This is stock footage (!" ")" "(GARY) You mean you didn't go out and blow up some quarries?" "(CAROLE) That looks like something in the war!" "(RICHARD) It probably was." "(RICHARD) Also, we can't see it!" "(CAROLE) Cut the dry ice!" "(GARY) Now it's farewell to Carole." "(CAROLE) Ooh, I shall cry!" "(GARY) Do you remember how you felt filming this, Carole?" "(CAROLE) Very sad." "Genuinely sad." "(GARY) What were your reasons for wanting to leave?" "Was it just you'd done the year and that was enough?" "We've mentioned the fact that we arrived, we split, we got into trouble, et cetera, and it did get to be rather the same thing." "I got to envy the characters coming in, because they seemed to have more interesting things to do than I was." "I was growing up but I wasn't going anywhere." "(GARY) Verity, how did you feel about Carole's departure?" "Had you expected it?" "In a sense, yes, and in a sense, no, because we started off Doctor Who and were going to do it for a year." "That was revolutionary in those days." "The idea that we would run something for 52 weeks was just astonishing." "I always felt that maybe at a certain point the actors would say," ""This is just..." ""We are going to be in similar situations," ""and much as we've enjoyed it, we are going to want to move on to pastures new."" "Having said that, you've got a team of people who work terribly well together;" "all the characters worked well and they all bounced off each other and had their own place, and it was sad to see one of them go - to see Carole go, obviously." "There was the added problem for me, which was the practical problem, because she was the Doctor's granddaughter." "It wasn't the original idea that she should be, that is what had happened." "How were we going to replace her?" "We couldn't find another granddaughter, so we had to have a completely different kind of relationship, so there was that to contend with." "It was sad because it was the beginning of..." "You knew that if Doctor Who went on, it would have to change, and different people would come in, because you couldn't run it for 24 years with the same people." "They would have all been on their knees!" "(GARY) Was it a wrench for you, William, when Carole left?" "Yes, I think it was." "I thought Carole always brought to the part a wonderful, unearthly quality, as if she didn't..." "Although she belonged to the group, the four of us, she didn't really seem to be as human as either the Doctor or Barbara or myself." "There was something strange about her which was a great asset to the story, and, as Verity has said, we all got on very well together." "It was the end of something." "It was rather sad." "(GARY) Was there ever an idea, Verity, to not replace Carole, and just carry on with the Doctor and the two older companions, or did you think there had to be a youngster aboard the Tardis?" "(VERITY) I always felt there had to be another young person." "You have to remember that this was aimed at eight- to fourteen-year-olds, and there had to be some character there they could identify with." "The Doctor, in a way..." "They did identify with the Doctor because he was so anti-establishment and so childlike - or childish sometimes - that they felt that he was one of theirs, I think." "But, of course, the Doctor changed inevitably as new Doctors came in." "I always felt we would need a young person there, or a younger person." "(GARY) I understand there were some thoughts about having a character from this story stow away aboard the Tardis, or, as eventually happened, having Maureen O'Brien's character appear in the next story." "What did you have to do to find a new companion?" "Do you know what you were looking for?" "(VERITY) Well, we didn't." "We didn't know what we were looking for." "We were looking for a young person who had some kind of charisma and appeal, and so we auditioned and auditioned until..." "I'd heard about Maureen." "I think she was at the Liverpool Playhouse at that time." "She came in, and she had a rather waif-like quality which appealed to me and to the other people at the BBC, and that's what we looked..." "You have to make a decision." "(RICHARD) The difficulty in replacing this one here was that she is both human and inhuman." " She has a gamin other-worldliness." " (CAROLE) My secret is out!" "(RICHARD) She's sexy enough and desirable enough, and yet she is not quite of this planet, and I think Maureen replaced her in her own way, and it's a very difficult thing to find in anybody." "(VERITY) She had to be completely different, Maureen." "Carole was Carole." "(GARY) It was probably the most important change the series had had." "It was the first major cast change." "She took on a quite big mantle to fill your shoes." "(CAROLE) It was strange for me, because I wanted to see who was coming in and to watch the performance, but I went straight into theatre..." "At that time, one didn't have video recorders, so I couldn't record it." "I've never seen the first one that Maureen did." "I'd like to see it." "(GARY) This is a very, very powerful sequence, Richard." "(VERITY) I think it is." "I love this last sequence." "It's very touching." "Very moving." "And the music's lovely." "(RICHARD) Yes, this is Chagrin's." "He said he had this tune in his head for a long time and was dying to use it, and when I heard it, I said... (VERITY) It's very, very nice." "(GARY) That's a lovely moment." "(VERITY) It's very, very moving." "(RICHARD) It's a long human denouement to a mechanicalistic six episodes." "(VERITY) And Bill was wonderful when he made that speech to her." "It was very..." "We did you proud!" "(CAROLE) You did!" "(WILLIAM) It's a wonderful send-off." "(GARY) And, Carole, you did it proud as well." "It's a lovely final scene." "(CAROLE) I'm getting all weepy here!" "(GARY) Would it have been known by the general public that this was coming?" "Today, everyone knows everything that's going on on TV." "(CAROLE) I think there was advanced publicity that I was going to leave." "(VERITY) Possibly there was." "We might not have told them WHEN you were going to leave." "(GARY) So there we have it." ""The Dalek Invasion of Earth"." " Everyone happy with it?" "(ALL) Yeah!" "(RICHARD) I want to do it again with a bigger budget, please, Verity!" "(VERITY) It's one of my favourite serials." "(WILLIAM) Very good."