"Good evening." "Can you hear me back there?" "." "Okay." "How many of you are familiar with the Venus Project?" "." "Okay, I'll go through it briefly to give you an idea what we're working towards." "We feel that the way the world is going today is completely downhill, that our language was designed hundreds of years ago, and we really talk at each other, than to one another" "And so I'm going to tell you a little bit about the proposals of the Venus Project." "If I fail to answer your questions, you have to let me know that raise your hand and say "you didn't answer my question." Don't be polite." "If there's anything you don't understand, question it." "It's up to you now." "Okay, now these are the assumptions we make:" "that you will have war, poverty, depression continuously until all the nations of the world are brought together and the earth is used as the common heritage of all the world's people." "If you don't understand that, if you think that money is the only thing which you are brought up to believe in, in this culture," "If you're stranded on an island with ten million dollars, and there's no water, no fish, no arable land, you have nothing." "Money is a nothing thing." "It never did represent the physical entities that enable us to live." "Politicians, all of them, can do nothing to make the world a better place." "They do not understand technology, and they do not understand what to do." "All nations are going downhill now." "This is the first time in history that there's been wars all over the world and we've had unemployment." "War has always been big business." "Get that through your head." "It's not to bring democracy to other countries." "It's to exploit them, use them in whatever way we can." "I want to try to get that across to you." "Let's assume that you are drafted into the army." "You put up your life to defend the country." "If that's true, then we should draft all the war industries so no one makes a buck out of war." "Then it's real." "If you draft all industries so they get the same basis of pay as a soldier, that put their lives up to defend this country, it's real." "But if people make millions of dollars selling machine guns, submarines, aircraft, it's not real." "It's big business." "Now, there's a book written called "Arms and the Men." Did anyone ever hear of it?" "." "Amazing." "A friend of mine was a pilot in War World I." "He flew over German a munition dump called l.G. Farben and had orders not to bomb it." "He didn't know why." "He said he flew over eight times with strict orders not to bomb it." "After the war he found out why." "Dupont had holdings in l.G. Farben, an American company." "Now, of course, another aspect of war, we'd been killing Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific islands in World War ll." "The truth is, Alexander P. de Seversky, of Seversky Aircraft Company said that what we needed at that time was long range bombers to knock out the power projects in Germany." "To jam the dams, the electric generators and shut down the factories." "But if you shoot soldiers on every island in trenches, it has nothing with bringing war to an end." "War has always been big business loaded with lies and deceptions." "Now, how many Americans knew that American soldiers used to cut off Japanese ears and make necklaces of them?" "." "One person." "Amazing." "The book is called "A New American History."" "If you really want to know where we're at, we're in the same case as all other nations;" "corrupt as hell." "The Center for the Study of Democractic institutions in Santa Barbara their writers said that this is the most corrupt country in the world." "Now what does that mean, exactly?" "." "That means, that according to Charles A. Lindbergh, his father advocated that the government print money and make it available to people, not private banks." "Private banks are permitted to lend out money, more than they have." "they can lend out more and collect interest on it." "Well, that's utterly corrupt." "If you don't understand that, we've always had war, recession, boom, bust." "and what they do in our school books, our history books in particular, does not describe our country as it was or as it is." "All history books, and all the people backing our history books always did the right thing." "They never made any mistakes, they never made any errors trying to..." "Your history books - everybody says the right thing." "There's no such people." "That's all over the world." "Where do you think we got this land from?" "." "We took it by force and violence from the Indians." "Then we took California and New Mexico." "After we stole all the land we needed, they put up the sign "Thou shalt not steal."" "What is true of America is true of all the other countries." "When they say "the sun never sets on England,"" "well where do you think England got all those countries controlled in the old days?" "." "They took it." "Now, if they lost, they would have been called thieves." "Now they're called 'conquerors,' 'great conquerors.'" "So, if you understand what I'm talking about, the money system is the greatest fraud ever put forth on people." "Think of this now, today America has three hundred submarines." "Each one, not according to me, according to the War Department, has more destructive power than all the wars in history." "One submarine." "Now, where can you go with that?" "." "What can you accomplish?" "." "But there's a place for paritcular senators and government officials, they built a place under a mountain for them to go to in case of nuclear war." "Well, there's a six months' supply of food, water, all the necessities of life." "What do you come out to?" "." "You ever think of that?" "." "A burnt out, radioactive wasted area?" "." "How stupid can you be?" "." "The Pentagon is made of people, army people." "And army people have been notoriously stupid because they're not very well read." "They don't understand this: what you'd have in Washington if we had a sane society, meaning mentally sane, you'd have a Pentagon of sociologists, social scientists who can bridge the difference between nations." "Soldiers are killing machines." "They're trained to kill." "You look at them and say "well at least they're fighting for our country." No they're not." "They're fighting for oil and they're fighting for economic advantage." "I'm sorry to say what I'm saying." "I don't like what I'm saying." "I wish we were decent folks, but we're not." "I don't own any munition companies, I have no political ambitions." "I think that politicians say things people like to hear." "They have nothing to do with the truth." "They don't even know what the truth is." "There are some people that I meet that call themselves "truth seekers."" "In order to be a truth seeker, you'd have to know everything, to know what the truth is." "There's no such thing." "Then there are other people that say" ""Man is something more than the sum of his parts." I'm sure you've heard that." "So is a can of tomato sauce." "So is a flock more than the sum of its parts." "So what?" "." "Man creates the filth in the atmosphere." "Pollution of the oceans, the land; man." "Man operates guided missiles, they don't go by themselves." "Man builds warships." "It's a human being that ultimately drops a bomb on cities and they pin a medal on him." "And they put an X on the fuselage for how many villages you bombed out." "And people think "well that's good." "At least I'm defending my country."" "Then there's another group of Americans that think that we used to have a democracy but the governments in recent times took it away from us." "You've never had a democracy." "Let me tell you why you've never had a democracy." "And let me tell you what I think a true democracy would be." "Our president would get up and criticize another country for an hour or an hour and a half." "When he's through, we would invite the prime minister of that country on the air to give his side of view." "You know, if you're accused of anything today, you have the right to face your accuser in court." "So whenever you criticize another nation invite them on to give their point of view." "Then invite the prime minister of Sweden." "Because they're both full of shit." "This is how I see it." "This is what I'm talking about." "In a democracy, people think "well at least I participate." "It's a participatory democracy l believe in."" "So I always get those people, all the time and I say" ""You believe in a participatory democracy?" "Yes I do."" ""Did you vote for the space program?" ". " "well, I guess not."" ""Did you vote for the Vietnam War?" ". " "l guess not."" ""Did you vote for the design of the Capitol Building or the highways in America?" ". " "l guess not."" "Where the hell do you participate?" "." "What an illusion." "And there it is out there all the time, and you think you participate in the selection of politicians." "You don't." "They're picked for you." "If you had a democracy, you'd have four thousand political parties." "And they would disagree and argue with each other." "And if you had a democracy, you'd have religion on the air, all religions on Sunday." "Then you'd have atheists and agnostics giving their point of view." "That's a democracy." "But when you've got generals on the major broadcasting stations and admirals of the navy and vested interests pitching their pitch for more armament, it's your money that goes into armament." "And when you bomb other cities, no matter where they're at, you're building hatred, human hatred for the future." "And then there's another group of people that think they're smart." "They're against abortion." "You'd imagine they'd be against war." "Because they're you're killing thousands of people." "Bombing children, everybody, unborn children, mothers." "Well, what's the matter with these people?" "." "I'll tell you what's the matter." "They are cerebral insufficients." "They don't have enough stuff up here to put anything together." "They even created gods." "They used to have many gods in the old days." "Then they downsized and finally come down to one god." "Now, the Jewish god says that "lf a man takes your son's eye out, you take his son's eye out."" "The Christian god says "When a man punches you, turn the other cheek." All these gods are different." "So when a guy says "do you believe in God?" ". " "Which one?" ". " Einstein said to me." "When I asked him "Do you believe in God?" ". " He says "Which one?" ". "" "There's so many different concepts of God." "So many different concepts of right and wrong, good and bad." "Now I'll tell you a little bit about right and wrong." "And if you're black, listen to me carefully." "If you're brought up in the deep South as a white man and it's an uneducated region, you will speak with a Southern accent." "And you'd say things like "I'm go get me a nigga, I'm go kick his ass in."" "Where do you think that comes from?" "." "That comes from an environment." "It's not that the person's mentally ill." "There's nothing wrong with a southerner or a member of the ku klux klan." "That's the environment he was brought up in." "And the psychologists today and psychiatrists are so stupid that they deal with the individual." "It's really the environment that makes them that way." "If you don't understand me, if you were brought up as a little baby by the head hunters of the Amazon, let's say you," "If I said to you "doesn't it bother you to have ten shrunken heads?" ". "" "You might say "Yes, my brother has twenty."" "So he would be perfectly well-adjusted where he's coming from." "There are no good or bad people." "There are people brought up in different environments which they believe in." "If you're brought up in Nazi Germany as a baby, all you see is "heil hitler!" and "deitschland o ber alias!" meaning "Germany above all."" "You're a nazi, if you've never seen anything else." "If you still don't understand me, if you take a nice Jewish boy and bring him up in a nazi family, very young, he's a nazi." "You take a nazi baby, bring him up by a Jewish family, he's a nice Jewish boy." "So really, what are people?" "." "People cannot think or reason." "Let me back that up now so you don't get mad at me." "It's very easy to get mad at what I'm saying." "The reason we can't think is because we're brought up in a fixed culture with fixed values." "When you're very young they start pumping crap into your head." ""Who loves you more than anybody in the world?"" "The baby says "l don't know." "Your mommy and daddy."" ""What's the greatest country in the world?" ". " "l don't know."" ""The good old USA." Of course the good old USA." "And if you're brought up in Saudi Arabia, or you're brought up in Dubai, or you're brought up in Germany same pitch." "Okay, the only real answer is to declare the earth as the common heritage of all the world's people." "And all the resources shared by all the world's people." "If you still don't understand that, what we spent in World War ll, what we, the Germans, the French, the British, all the money we spent on equipment could have built hospitals all over the world, schools all over the world, wiped out the slums all over the world." "How stupid can you be?" "." "Now, how many of you have ever heard a book called "Mind in the making" by James Harvey Robinson?" "." "Not even available in your school libraries." "Not one hand." "How many of you have ever heard of the book called "Arms and the Men"?" "." "It appeared in Fortune magazine, explaining the profit system of war." "As there was one time even Fortune magazine ran that." "And there was another book called "Tyranny of Words" by Stuart Chase" "How many of you have ever heard of that?" "." "What happened to these books?" "." "There was another book called "A hundred million guinea pigs."" "Anybody here ever hear of it?" "." "It was a best seller in America." "It attacked the drug industries." "They say "Why don't the drug industries try to find out about carrot juice or celery juice or natural approaches to disease?" ". "" "'Cause there's no money in it." "They get three bucks or five bucks for a pill, so why should they?" "." "So the public, after that book was a best seller, demanded that a new agency be provided in Washington called the Pure Food and Drug Administration." "Now it's infiltrated by the people of the drug companies." "Does anybody know that?" "." "Amazing." "One person, two persons, three persons." "So you see, we are not a free country." "We never have been." "We never had a democracy." "In a democracy, where free people..." "They always tell you that people are born equal." "They're not." "Some are tall, some are short, some are fat, some have not too good eye sight." "We're not born equal." "What they're trying to say is that all people should be given an equal opportunity." "You can't do that if you give a little girl a doll." "You're already programming her." "If you tie a big bow in a little girl's hair, you're programming her for a certain role." "When my little girl was five, she said "l want an electric train, I don't want a doll."" "If you give a little girl a washing machine, you are programming her." "The reason boys are more inventive than women is not because men are different." "It's because men are given a wider range." "Let me tell you what that I mean by that, if you don't know what that means, which you won't get in your schoolbooks." "When we were little boys, we used to piss together in the field and cut across one another's piss streams." "And a little kid said, "You ever see a kid take a shit?" ". " and he said "No."" ""Come on, Billy's gonna take a shit and we're gonna watch him."" "Here's what they got." "The way it came out, this enabled a man to invent an extruding machine." "You know what that is?" "." "A machine that extrudes aluminum." "He got it from another kid taking a shit." "Now, men..." "When I was a kid we used to throw spiders are girls and you know, the girls would go back like that." "Today, they collect spiders, women." "So you see, if given the same range that men are given," "If a man was having an affair with five women at the same time he's called Don Juan." "If a girl screws around with two guys, she's a tramp." "Who wrote the book?" "." "The men." "So think about it, you're second rate." "So God doesn't hang a pecker on a male and say "Don't use it until you get married." It would pop out the day you got married." "So here you've got all this bullshit out there, and there's really no such thing as profanity." "Because if you bake a pie and I don't know you and you drop it, you might say "Fiddly dee!"" "If he baked the pie, he might say "Shit." That means "I'm sorry I dropped the pie."" "So does "fiddly dee." It means "I'm sorry l dropped the pie." There's no bad words." "You're brought up in an environment "Must you use that kind of language?" ". "" "When I spoke at Colombia University they said "Do you have to use that kind of language?"" ""Would you use that kind of language if your mother was here?" ". "" "So I said "Mother, would you stand up?" ". " And she waved." "There's no bad language." "But what is terrible is prejudice and descrimination." "So years ago this pilot that I was telling you about, that flew over German munition plants, he was a member of an organization called Technocracy." "How many of you have ever heard of Technocracy?" "." "Okay, the technocrats believed in using science and technology rather than politics as a means of governing people." "So I attended about two or three of their meetings and I enlisted." "I joined, I found it pretty good." "Then I noticed there were no blacks in the organization." "So I walked over to Howard Scott who was the chief engineer and I said "how come there's no blacks?" ". " He goes "Let them start their own section."" "Then I thought "Well how come there's no orientals?"" "He says "The oriental mind can't grasp technology." That was in the old days." "So, I knew, I told him you're looking at the first generation orientals." "But by the third or fourth generation they'll be just like us." "And there'll be no regional dialect." "He said "No, no, the oriental mind will never grasp technology."" "He died a long time ago and so did his ideas along with him." "There's nothing the matter with Technocracy except those areas which I couldn't agree with so I resigned because I could not defend them." "So then I said to myself "What is needed?" ". "" "How can you design a society where there is no conflict?" "." "Well, there's always been conflict." "There's always been corruption in government." "There's always been wars and the Bible says there will always be wars and rumors of wars." "And we shall always have the poor amongst us." "This is in your Bible." "I can't accept that crap." "I believe that man creates God in his own image." "Some jerk that you pray to and this guy sits on a throne and he looks down and he can see everything you're doing." "Whether you're in this concrete building, or anything else." "They tell us that God made everything." "Every galaxy, every universe, every bug, every plant." "and then Jesus proceeds to insult him." "Just before they crucified him, he looked up and said "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."" "This God created everything, you don't have to tell him they don't know what they're doing." "That's what I mean by an insult." "When a farmer says "Dear God we have a drought, my corn is drying up, how about some rain?" ". " Like God's "Gee, thanks for telling me, I didn't think of that."" "You know, we reduce God to some jackass that gets angry, creates floods, sends injury, pain, and if you don't follow the holy scriptures you burn eternally." "That doesn't sound like God, that sounds like a psychopath." "When I tell you God is made in the image of man, you go to different countries the Indians' concept: a happy hunting ground." "No Indian pictured stainless stell automobiles." "No Eskimo can dream of walking on a palm-fringe beach unless they've seen movies." "So it means that you can't think of anything unless it's within the culture that you're brought up in." "That's why each little group thinks they're okay." "The nazis used to call themselves "the master race." The Jews called it "God's chosen people."" "Well, if you start doing that sort of thing, you're separating people." "And when you have women's studies, Polish studies, Jewish studies, black studies, you're separating people." "All people need clean air, clean water, arable land, and a relevant education." "That means, how we depend on the forest, if we dump stuff into the ocean." "I'd better tell you this." "About 45 years ago, the U.S. Army, the United States Army dumped 65 tons of nerve gas in Miami." "How many of you knew that?" "." "One hand, two hands." "Off the coast of Miami, near the Gulf Stream." "How do you love you country and do things like that?" "." "Don't you see that?" "." "Einstein thought that if he gave them the formula, and Oppenheimer, for the atom bomb, surely man would be wise enough to demonstrate it out at sea and say to Japan "We don't want to drop it over your country." "This is what we can do if you don't drop your arms now."" "No, they dropped it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki." "Because they're brought up with the old crap in the Bible that says revenge is sweet." "You do things like that, you build hatred for centuries." "So I'm trying to tell you things..." "Sure I could give a beautiful lecture on "God Bless America."" "Who the hell are you to tell God who to bless?" "." "If he made everybody, and you say "God Bless America,"" "who are you to do that?" "." "Everybody knows what God wants, except God." "Because man makes God in his own image." "A guy that gets angry, creates floods, that's not God." "And then I went to another church, I was looking for the truth, in the early days when I didn't know any better." "I was looking for the truth." "So I went to satanic churches because I wanted to see what they say." "They believe that satan rules the world, there's more evidence to demonstrate that than God." "Serial killers, bombs, continuous war, dumping stuff in the ocean, poisoning the atmosphere, they seemed to have a chip that sounds right." "Of course I don't buy that crap either." "I'm just telling you what other people believe and they're just as sincere as you are." "The Japanese are brought up with the same values about you as you have devised about them." "And we talk about nazis as being cruel." "If you get a book by H.G. Wells called "Outline of History"" "in that book he says that the U.S. was moving about 1 000 Germans toward the campgrounds." "But the German army was catching up with them so they put them in a big hole and machine gunned them all." "Well, we don't have any real movies on anti-war." "Maybe All Quiet on the Western Front or The Vickers." "Do you know how many movies were made pro-war?" "." "Thousands of them." "And I remember the original All's Quiet on the Western Front." "A British man grabs the barbed wire and he's about to climb over and a bomb goes off, and it shows two hands on the barbed wire." "Well, they never show the horrors of war because enlistment wouldn't go up." "And the boys in the army, a lot of them, think they're defending this country." "The only way to defend this country is to build a bridge between nations." "So I said to myself years ago "Different nations think differently." "They have different values." "Some of them have twenty wives and that's normal to that country." "So how the hell are they going to bridge the difference between nations?" ". "" "So what I did when I was twenty one years old, I attended meetings of the ku klux klan, and I dissolved it in a month and a half." "That is, in Miami." "Then I attended meetings of the White Citizens Council." "They hate foreigners." "and I dissolved it in one month." "Then I asked some people in Brooklyn, "who are the most backward people in the area?" ". "" "And they said "Well, we believe the Arabs are on Atlantic Avenure."" "So I said "what makes you think they're backward?" ". "" ""They still believe the earth is flat."" "So I said "Boy, I've got to get to those guys." If I can't get to those guys, how am I going to change the world?" "." "So I looked up the guy that was in charge, his name was Elbaz." "I called him and I said "can I come and talk to you, Elbaz?"" "He said in this type of dialect "From where your father he born?"" "I said "Lebanon." He said "Very good, very good." "You are Arab?" I said "Eh."" "That means "yes" in Arabic." "I'm not an Arab. "Come and sole me"" "That means "come and see me." So I came to see him." "And he said to me" ""You believe the world he round?" ". " I said "Yes."" "That means in his background "lt can't be."" "So he pointed to his head showing me how smart he was." "He said "lf the world he round, man fall me down here, all the water he fall down from the world." Do you understand that now?" "." "And I think "Boy, I gotta get to this guy if I want to change the world."" "So I put a balloon in his hand, and I rubbed the balloon with fur, fast." "And I put some corn flakes in his hand and told him to hold it away from the balloon." "Okay, and all the corn flakes, when you rub it you create static electricity, and all the corn flakes jumped up to the balloon." "And he said "World he magnet?" ". " I said "Eh." "Ahhh."" "He went into the next room and explained that to the Arabs." "Now look, the average person doesn't like to confront people that think differently than they do." "Now, you can get along with people if you say "Look folks, the earth is a little round and a little flat."" "Then you get along with a lot of people." "But that's not the business of science." "They used to believe that the stars went around the world, that the world was the center of the universe, and so that was smashed." "We still believe in gods and demons." "If you go to Mexico, the rooms are at different heights in a middle class home." "And I asked "Why do you make the rooms at different heights?" ". "" ""Because the devil doesn't like to walk up or down stairs." "He likes to walk on a flat plane."" "And they believe that with a straight face." "Just like a Christian does this before he goes off a diving board, or into a bull fight." "Now, try to picture this." "In ancient Rome, maybe on Saturday, I'm not sure of the day, the whole family would come to see Christians being fed to lions." "And the kids would say "Daddy can we come next week to see Christians being fed to lions?" ". "" ""lf you behave yourself."" "So, are these kids insane?" "." "No." "That was normal for that time." "If you're brought up in the Arab world, a man looks at an object like he's not that interested in it." "He says "How much do you want for that?" ". " and he says "Ten dollars."" ""l give you three dollars." Well that's normal to that country." "When a guy comes to Sears, being Arab, he says "how much do you want for the clock?" ". "" "like he's not that interested." "The clerk doesn't even know." "The clerk picks it up and says "$8.95"" ""l give you two dollar." "Goddamn foreigners."" "You see, it's normal for that person where they're coming from to do that." "Do you see that?" "." "There are no good or bad people." "A serial killer is made that way." "If he's genetically damaged, he's not responsible." "If his brain is warped, he's not responsible." "Now a psychiatrist acts ass-backwards." "They try to change the person." "It's really the culture that fucks people up badly." "Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "The culture." "There's no bad words." "Just different expressions." "So all of your congressmen lie." "The democrats lie about the republicans, the republicans lie about the democrats." "And even guys like Carl Sagan try to raise money to communicate with extra-terrestrials." "They want to build big antennas." "If the democrats can't communicate with the republicans, and husbands and wives have difficulty communicating, how the hell are you going to communicate with extra- terrestrials?" "." "Let's assume there were extra-terrestrials." "Anything that can travel a hundred million lightyears in space is not like us." "They don't want to meet your president." "Your president would be an asshole." "He's an ignorant man, Bush and his whole group." "Very stupid." "The democrats are just a little behind." "But, there's no such thing as intelligent government." "Government is managed to keep things the way they are." "People are elected to political office not to change things, but to keep things as they are." "The same with universities, they depend on funding from big corporations." "So guys like me don't get much of a chance to speak to university students." "I'm considered not a "boat-rocker," but a "boat-sinker."" "So, if you sink the boat, if you speak frankly and the truth, your chances of getting on radio, NBC, CBS are zero." "Because they depend on sponsors." "When I was on Larry King, I was on four times, he said to me "You attack the drug companies, the cigarette companies, the auto companies." I never did attack the auto companies." "This is what I said on Larry King's show." "I said "lf you have an airbag in front of you it's alright." "But if you are hit from the side, your head goes right through the glass." "The whole inside has to be an airbag." Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "Okay." "So he said "Why don't they do that?" ". " I said "Larry I can't answer that." "I can only tell you they don't do it."" "Then I said "lf you don't want war, Larry, you have to bring all the people of the world together."" "And they don't know how to do that." "They want to bring democracy there." "You can't bring democracy to a nation that has a different set of values unless they choose it." "How do they choose it?" "." "Through education." "Can you educate them?" "." "Of course not." "You can't control people unless you make them pretty much uninformed as best you can." "The reason you do that, you can control them." "If you teach people to think and reason, you can't in times of war get anybody enlisted in the army." "You can't move people in mass." "So you make them all alike." "Here's what I mean by that." "If we taught history, real history, the New American History, it would be history of our country, the mistakes we made, the good things we did." "That would be for all nations." "So, people do not always do the right thing." "They can't." "And so you live in a managed world." "And your kids in the future will say to you" ""Wasn't it obvious that you paid off senators, you paid off governors, you paid off different people to get your will?" "." "Isn't that obvious?" ". "" "I guess not." "And so, if you do away with the money system, you can't have the sale of drugs." "You can't pay off senators." "You can't buy people." "You understand what I'm saying?" "." "As long as you've got money, no matter who you elect..." "You say "Well, maybe if we elect decent people in government..." No way." "Even if you had the most decent people in the world, taken from the best churches you like, if you ran out of resources, there'd be lying, cheating, killing, stealing." "It's resources that people need." "Not money." "Access to resources." "Is there anybody that has difficulty with that?" "." "So, I will just take another drink if you don't mind." "Thank you." "So what we advocate then is a resource- based economy." "No money." "Resources, meaning, today "normal" people alone means "screwed up."" ""Normal people" say "How much will it cost to build a new city like you have up there?" ". "" "That isn't the question." "The real question is "Do we have the resources to house everyone on earth, take care of everybody medically and every other..."" "Yes we do." "We have more than enough resources." "If you consider the money spent in World War ll we could have wiped out the slums all over the world, educated people, built the best universities free of charge." "Why do we do it free of charge?" "." "Because the smarter the kids are, the richer all of us are." "Every kid shooting up drugs, hanging out in malls." "Why?" "." "They have no place to go." "There should art centers, music centers, cultural centers, theater groups, where people can go." "They hang out in malls and coats stands because there's no place to go." "And the government, let me say this, the government and industry doesn't give a shit about people." "Proof, now." "They would not outsource." "If I have a big factory, if I pay my help more than the minimum wage," "I can't stay in business, if he outsources to China." "Do you understand?" "." "You're not going to invest in the company that builds playgrounds for the women's children that work in the factory." "You want the money spent on products advertising so the income is greater." "So you invest in it." "So we're all sons of bitches in the monetary system." "It makes us that way." "And I say, if you're not, consult your bank account to see who you are." "So it's very difficult in a monetary system to be decent or fair." "A lawyer is a guy who can take language and do whatever the hell he wants with it." "Especially if he's a good lawyer." "He can make your system sound bad." "So in the future, there will be no lawyers, no bankers, no investment brokers." "No one that makes money by not donating service to the country." "So in the future you'll have structural engineers, chemical engineers they don't run the country, by the way." "They merely deal with problems." "That's hard to understand." "I'm not talking about a technical elite." "I have just as much fear of that as any other system." "I'm talking about the intelligent management of the earth's resources." "That's what I meant." "So what we have to do first is a global survey of what we have." "How much arable land, how many factories we have, how many coal mines, trucks, ships, planes." "And by the amount that we have, we can determine, knowing how many cases of cystic fibrosis, and all the other physical ills, that tells us how many hospitals to be built." "Not some jackass saying "l think I'll build a hospital here." "It's a good area, a good community and has future potential."" "No." "You do a survey to see what is needed, and you provide for those needs." "If you don't do that, you're going to have war and crime continuously." "There's a place in Jamaica called Ochos Rios where eight rivers come together." "And there's so much beautiful drinking water that I've never seen anybody come in during the day or night and steal water." "There's so much of it." "Now, if people have access to the necessities of life, they do not steal." "If people can go to a center like a library and get any book out of the library..." "You know before they had the public library, women marched for a public library." "And they had rotten eggs thrown at them." "And they were beaten up and put in jail." "Eventually, they got the library in." "The reason that people were against the library:" "if you make books available free, they felt it would threaten the sales of books in bookstores." "When people read a little book a little bit, they bought more books than ever because they knew more." "So I want to build a camera center in every city where any human being can go in and check out any kind of camera, just like a library." "Then, any musical instrument." "This is love of your country and love of the American people." "If they can have access to their needs." "But if families, some of them are not educated, they don't know how to feed their children they feed them junk food." "Not because they're bad parents, they just don't know." "A failure of education." "In schools you should learn how to relate to one another." "How to bridge the difference." "How to have a different opinion than your best friend and yet not get angry." "This is what the future's about." "Learning how to share ideas, not ego." "Ego is one of the major problems in the world today." ""Hey, I did this." "l can run faster than you."" ""My daddy can beat your daddy." Or "l can ride a bike faster and further."" "That's the ego." "When you learn to share ideas, you enhance everyone." "When you keep it to yourself, you remain a stupid individual." "Now, somebody says "Well some people are born with better brains than others."" "Meaning, the brain tissue has more neurotransmitters." "If your brain is better than anybody else's you become a nazi faster in a nazi culture." "A good brain has no mechanism of discrimination except experience." "Like, if you smell a rose, some young lady, and you like it, the next time you see something that looks like a rose, if it's got spots on it, black spots, you have a tendency to go ." "And if it burns your nose for three days and your eyes for three days, the next flower your see of a different pattern you're going to hold it over here and go ." "You're not going to do this." "So they say you've learned." "No, no, your behavior was modified by the pain." "Learn is a lousy word designed a long time ago." "And we still use those words today. "I'll see you at sun-up." The sun doesn't come up, the earth rotates in that direction." "Remember, our language was designed hundreds of years ago, and it makes it almost impossible for us to talk to one another." "We talk at each other. "Hey, how are ya?" "." "Nice day, good to see ya."" "If he says "I'm not too well, I need two thousand dollars for an operation can you give it to me?" ". " I say "No." "Then why did you ask me how I am?" ". "" "What kind of a phony are you anyway?" "." "So, all of this stuff" ""Good morning," "How are you?" "Glad to see ya," "How are the children?"" "All bullshit." "Unless you have hospitals, health care for everybody and everybody is well off, so the doctors don't have to work 1 8 hours a day, or ten hours a day." "They should work four hours a day." "And when a new machine comes into a factory, the boss doesn't walk over and say" ""Now you work four hours a day, you get a little more pay, and a month vacation."" "He downsizes." "He doesn't need you anymore because the machine does the job." "That's why people get mad at machines." "They don't serve people." "I never read of a machine that... of a machine that fifty other laptops, they don't say "We'll get you!" "If it isn't this week or next week or three weeks." They don't care." "Machines have no ambition." "And hollywood tells you the machines are going to take over." "No machine ever says "Gee, I'd like to run the lives of people."" "Machines don't have a gut reaction." "They don't get hungry." "They don't feel resentment." "If you put one computer and paint it, the other doesn't say" ""Why don't you paint me?" You know, they don't get mad." "Hollywood makes movies on the future where people use laser beams and they burn each other." "This isn't the future." "These are hollywood hacks." "Now the book 1 984, Brave New World, Atlas Shrugged, that's what you've got now." "Okay?" "." "Now, look, let me open this area here to some questions which I'm sure, you all don't agree, so don't be polite." "The things you don't understand." "if you feel you disagree, please raise your hand." "Yes?" "." "And speak up because I can't hear..." "Gentleman:" "In watching the movie and hearing your lecture your description of the future, it sounds amazing." "The thing that I don't understand is the transition from where we are now to get there." "Because it seems like especially when you speak about World War ll and all the money that we spent on the war could have built hospitals in the slums." "But if you look at the nazis not being taken out in World War ll, then what would Europe look like" "Jacque:" "Is essentially your question "How do we get from here to there?" ". "" "Gentleman:" "Right." "Jacque:" "Is that essentially it?" "." "First of all, we have to have a crash." "That's what makes people think" "If they lose their jobs, lose their homes." "Other than that, they don't give a damn." "As long as you're eating and paying your rent, it's okay." "So, the system is crashing all over the world." "The monetary system is going downhill." "And it takes those conditions, if you don't understand that it was the last depression..." "I have to tell you this." "When I was a kid, a lot of people made down payments on automobiles, homes, campers and the banks failed." "I think some of you may know this." "How many of you know that?" "." "When the banks failed, they couldn't pay off their homes" "And the banks said "You've got three weeks and you're out unless you make payment."" "Well, they couldn't." "So they were kicked out." "And fifteen million Americans when I was a kid, were sleeping in every empty lot." "And that looked wrong to me." "Of course, a lot of you guys never saw that." "I'm 93, so you know that what I'm talking about was in my time, maybe not your time." "And I saw all these people sleeping in empty lots." "Then something new happened: about 1 0 or 1 5 to 30 thousand veterans marched on Washington." "Veterans of World War I." "They were promised six hundred dollars when you get out of the army to start life anew." "But the government's not in the position to give them that money, so it gave them l.O. U.s and the veterans said "l can't pay my rent with l.O. U." I can't buy food for my kids" "and they came with crutches and wheelchairs and were sleeping all around the Capitol in Washington." "And that looked very bad." "So they said "Douglas MacArthur," who was the captain "get them out of here." "It doesn't look good." So he asked them to leave and they didn't leave." "They said "We're not leaving until we get our pension you promised us."" "So Douglas MacArthur ordered the troops to throw tear gas at the veterans." "You can look it up in any... particularly the New American History" "It isn't in our school books." "A lot of stuff is taken out of books and that is a lie to do things like that." "The book A Hundred Million Guinea Pigs is a lie" "I mean, if you don't make it available to people." "Books that are taken out of the library because they don't feel you ought to know that, or it would hurt the country." "I don't like that at all." "Yes?" "." "Roxanne:" "More on the transition?" "." "Alright, we get back now to the transition." "The transition is a break down first." "During the breakdown, during the Depression, there were people up on soap boxes all over America." "Every empty lot." "One group was Mankind United." "Another group was called..." "Well this group was the Church of God, and it was 'back to family values.'" "Socialism, communism, nazism, all kinds of ideas during the depression." "That's what generated it." "So I was standing in front of a socialist and I said "When you get into power, how are you going to house the masses?" ". "" "Well he said "We'll work that out at that time."" "And I said "Well, do you have any blueprints now for it?" He said "No."" "Then I went over to another guy talking about communism." "He said "Go away sonny boy."" "There was a lot of older people there." "And I said "No, I want to hear what communism is from a communism."" "He says "Why?" "Because I don't believe what the democrats say about the republicans or what the republicans say about the communists." "I want to hear what a communist has to say."" "So he said "You can stay."" "So when he got through I said "l want to ask you a thousand questions."" "He said to me "You'll have to go to the YCL." I said "What's that?"" ""Young Communists League." I said "What are they?" ". "" ""Well, here's an address." And I went there." "And there were little girls ten years old and boys up to about seventeen and they were reading books like "Crime and Punishment."" "Little kids reading deep books." "And I said "Gee, these kids are very different than ordinary kids."" "So after the meeting I raised my hand." "I said "How are you going to house the masses?"" "And they said "Well when that time comes we'll work on it."" "I said "How are you going to prevent corruption in government?"" "They'd say "Well, we'll work on that when that time comes."" "I said "Well let's start the technical branch of the communist party to find ways of preventing corruption and housing people."" "They said "You're a deviationist." I said "What does that mean?"" ""You're deviating from the teachings of Karl Marx." I said "I'm trying to help."" "I would help anybody, by the way, I don't care what country it is." "And they said "You're deviating from the teachings of Marx." "You'll have to leave."" "So the vice president of the Young Communist League got up and said" ""Let's hear him out." And they kicked us both out." "That was my experience with the Communist party." "I really did want to help any country." "I would help any country." "I don't care what their philosophy is." "It's not working." "So I was interested." "In the transition, there'll be a lot of pain." "A lot of suffering." "Because the old ideas are going to clash with the new ones." "And if enough people understand the Venus Project," "Look it up." "There's all kinds of questions that thousands of people ask." "And we answer all those questions and it's not an elitist it's not technology in charge of people." "It's a method of social operation that brings out the best in all human beings." "Whatever that may be." "Yes, sir?" "." "You have a question back there?" "." "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "It sounds like your plan really is a communist approach in that you want a central form of government, or central form of governance." "by technology, by computers, correct?" "." "Now, I have a fear of central government in that regard without any kind of checks and balances, but there has to be something to maintain the machines that does the governance and then, if that's so then those people that do the maintaining have influence over the machine" "and therefore can affect it according to their personal interests, the machine itself if you do have artificial intelligence that develops to the levels that you're claiming that they can what's to prevent a machine from going to the level of say a cybernet like in the Terminator?" "." "Jacque:" "Take-over?" "." "Machine take-over?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah, before you answer that, I'd like to mention that yes, a machine is not motivated by chemical impulses like a human being, which gives you an idea that it's going to have a straight-forward, empirical approach" "and that's a nice idea, but we do hold as humans values that a machine could not appreciate." "Such as the idea of keeping mentally disabled people alive." "If you think about the terms of eugenics and such, there are scientific approaches to communities that we don't agree with on a personal level because we don't think that everyone should die simply because they're not as useful to the community as" "the greatest contributors." "Jacque:" "Discrimination based on health, discrimination based on mental ability?" "." "Gentleman:" "Correct." "If in the jungle..." "Jacque:" "I'll try to answer that." "Gentleman:" "Okay." "Jacque:" "Where areas exist where we don't have good fertile land, we can grow things hydroponically, without soil." "There are areas in the ocean where we can lower supported units that can grow food that's edible for people in the ocean." "There are many edible plants." "There's really no shortage." "So, only if there were severe shortages would that happen." "Now, they're letting people out from prison because they can't afford to feed them." "So they're letting out a lot of people." "So they consider, you know, smoking pot or something, not too dangerous." "But later on, they will run of more and more money and more and more criminals will be let out." "And there's more and more crime being committed now due to scarcity." "So, in our system, we try to provide for all people because you can go blind and you can develop cystic fibrosis or you can develop heart disease." "So we give every research lab whatever the hell they need." "No more digging up nickels and dimes for research in medicine or this disease or that." "We have the resources to give every research lab whatever they need." "That's why you're always seeing medical people appealing for money for research." "That is not a sane society." "Look at all the money we spend on battleships on war planes." "Costing billions of dollars." "Why don't they spend that money on medical research?" "." "What are you trying to dig up nickels and dimes for?" "." "Now, if you still have difficulty, if you took the north pole and the south pole and you took all the surplus foods that nations grow and put it there, stored it, in case of an earthquake in Japan, Hong Kong, or wherever we'd have lots of food" "to go around instead of going to your school and say" ""Can you bring in a box of oatmeal and you a can of tomato sauce for the poor Japanese?" ". "" "We would have that built in." "They say "Well, what about automobile accidents?" ". "" "Automobile accidents are technical negligence." "We've got gadgets today that I think most of you have seen." "You walk up to your garage and the light goes on." "The same kind of unit in an automobile." "So I couldn't hit your car even if I wanted to." "If I got within forty feet the brakes would come on." "So they say "What about children crossing at school?" ". "" "Well, we have a section of pavement where the kid presses a button to cross and the pavement turns up like that." "So no car can hit a kid." "That's the way we say we care." "Our problems are not political, they are technical." "If you still don't understand that, when I was a kid you're going to have to look this up if you don't believe me, trolly cars used to have a platform and when you got in the seats ran all the way" "through." "And when people were late for work, they would climb on the platform and hang on." "And they were hit by cars." "So they painted a big sign "Please, get in the car but don't hang on the platform." But the people that were late for work still were hanging on the platform." "So the conductor had a rubber hose in the car, all along the platform." "Once the car started moving, he got in." "And the guys come down the platform." "That went on for ten years." "Until the car company went to an engineering firm." "And the engineering firm says "What do you want?" ". "" ""We don't want people hanging on the platform." "Good." They retracted the platform when you got in the car." "Just turns up, that's the end of the problem." "Most problems are technical, not political." "Politicians have no idea how to solve problems." "And it's very easy to bridge the difference between nations, if you don't attack them." "When I went to the first klan meetings and the guy says to me "You're a smart guy, what do you think of the ku klux klan?" ". "" "I said it was a great organization, but it didn't go far enough." "That caused them "What do you mean?" ". " Then you can talk to them." "But if you attack, you lose them." "You understand?" "." "So reason and logic is strictly bullshit, it doesn't work on people." "Now, I brought a Japanese kid home one day." "My mother said "l don't want that kind around,"" "Ioud enough for the kid to hear it." "He says "So long, Jacque."" "And I thought, "boy, if you can't the mind of your mother, how are you going to change the world?"" "So I thought "l just used reason and logic." My mother "No way." "I don't want that kind around." Let me tell you what happened." "Until I told my mother a story that I was swimming in the east river and I couldn't get ashore and Misanto threw a life-raft to me." "This isn't true." "Misanto, the Japanese kid." "My mother said" ""You mean he saved your life?" I said "Yes." She said "Oh my god!" "I hurt his feelings!" "Yes you did."" "She says "But I didn't know he saved your life." "Well now you do."" ""Please Jacque, ask him to come back." "I want to beg forgiveness." "Ask him to come to dinner Friday." "I want to ask him and tell him how sorry I am."" "I said to her "l don't know if he'll come back now." to get her to plead with me more." "And here she was pleading "Please Jacque, ask him to come back."" "So I told Misanto "When you come in the door, my mother is going to hug you and kiss you because this is normal to my mother's background."" "That's why when a person says to me "Do you believe in love?" "." "Do you love your mother?"" "I said "ln what area?" In the area of racism, she was a racist and she was antagonistic to foreigners." "So I did not love her in that area." "That's why I try to tell people that love is another bullshit word." "Now, let me tell you what I mean by that so you don't get mad at me." "Is there anybody here that likes everything they've ever done?" "." "Okay." "So we all do stupid things in the past, we do things we didn't like." "Now, if you live with a replica of yourself, how long would you be together?" "." "So, sometimes you love yourself, sometimes you don't." "So if you fall in love with a guy and a guy falls in love with a girl." "You're married a few years." "Sometimes you love him, sometimes you don't love him as much." "Sometimes you just don't like him." "And sometimes you love him again." "So it's a fluctuating thing, not a fixed thing." "Do you understand that?" "." "You don't love yourself all the time, any more than you" "Iove anyone else all the time." "So, once you understand that, before that people used to get confused." "Some girl told me she sent her boyfriend through medical school." "And when he got out, he ran off with her best friend. "Gee, what a terrible person he is." I said "No, your ability to judge people is poor."" "There's nothing wrong with the world you live in." "When you think it shoud be a certain way and it isn't, you get mad." "It's your own values that are loused up, not the world." "If you invite a guy or a person into your home that has no place to live, no place to sleep, and you're a good Christian and they steal a lot of stuff and leave, you'd say "That lousy son of a bitch." It's you" "that have poor judgment." "So we have to learn how to look at the world honestly." "And in that way, we can arrive at better conclusions." "You had a question." "Gentleman:" "Yeah, I just wanted to address what this gentleman was saying earlier." "As long as people are trying to figure out a society to live in, someone's always going to have to make some sort of consensus that people should follow by and stuff." "But the thing is that if you're living in a free society" "All education, all knowledge, as many information that you can put into your brain is going to be available." "So if you don't want to learn something-- or let's say someone does build a machine and this machine turns out to be detrimental to the society and stuff, you have the opportunity to say "Wait, I can prove that this machine" "is detrimental and stuff." And that way you can go and show them." "If you can prove it everyone else is going to say "Wow, you're right we need to do away with this"" "and change it, or make whatever changes that are necessary." "But if you offer everyone the same education and the same chance to get it everyone's going to be empowered, not just one particular" " One particular person might come up with a really good idea and it might work, and that would be great but if someone found a flaw in it, they can always adjust that, show them." "Roxanne:" "What is your question?" "." "Gentleman:" "Oh, I just wanted to address what he had to say earlier." "Roxanne:" "But you asked like six or seven questions." "Other Gentleman:" "I know, I apologize." "But, I guess if we went to a simple question, how do we try to prevent corruption?" "." "Roxanne:" "Can you override the machines?" "." "Is that what you want to know?" "." "Jacque:" "The machines do not control people." "Just production, the machines, of materials and deliver that to the supermarkets." "It does not control people." "Gentleman:" "Absolutely, that's the thing about machines and stuff like that." "I'm a computer programmer so I understand how machines get their data" "Again, you can always-- as long as you" "Like there's no computer program that can ever come past me that I can say" ""Oh, well this is busted." and stuff like that." "I can show you where it's busted and how you can fix it." "It's proven." "So like, in a society like that, everybody becomes a 'critic' in a sense where they can always look and say "Okay, well this is messed up and I can fix this and show it to people."" "That's why I think this is such a great idea." "Roxanne:" "Machines as decision-makers." "Can they override people" "Jacque:" "Machines as decision-makers?" "." "Roxanne:" "How do they make decisions?" "." "Jacque:" "Yes, how." "Gentleman:" "Well, machines can be overridden and stuff but it's through people but like " "Jacque:" "I will answer that." "I think know what you want to know." "Today the United States army..." "I want to tell you about the old days before." "A pilot used to look out of the airplane and say "I'm about a mile high."" "Today they have doppler radar." "Tells exactly how high you are, how many feet inches off the ground." "No human can do that." "About nine months ago, computers were able to handle one thousand trillion bits of information per second." "No group of humans can do that." "So humans are on their way out in terms of the ability for sensing, just because they can't." "They can't." "You can't see an electron, but with an electron microsope, it extends the human attributes." "So there's nothing the matter with machines." "Somebody had a question for you back there." "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "What if your programmer is corrupt?" "." "What if the guy who makes the who makes the doppler radar" "Jacque:" "If the programmer is corrupt and he programs the machines it jams the other machines." "First of all, you've got to understand that there's nothing to gain in a non-monetary system." "If I pay you fifty thousand to cause a jam in computers, he does it." "But in a system that doesn't use money, nobody gets paid off." "You can't sell drugs, you can't open a house of prostitution, you can't have gambling, you can't import stuff to the country, 'cause you can't pay off senators." "Only if you do away with money." "As long as you've got money, I don't care who you elect, it'll go corrupt." "Yes, sir?" "." "Gentleman:" "Well, I'm hearing a few gentlemen say, basically, how can you trust a machine when it's the human that's actually created that machine" "Jacque:" "Very good." "How can you trust a machine?" "." "It really doesn't care about people, it doesn't have any feelings." "Roxanne:" "No, Jacque." "If humans are programming the machines, how do you trust the machines?" "." "Jacque:" "I will do that." "When humans used to operate elevators, I don't know if anybody remembers that, they never quite got to the floor, they were always moving around like that." "Now you press 1 8 and it takes you there almost all the time." "So, you rarely have machine failure today." "They have production lines where automobiles are assembled by machine, the doors, the wheels are put on." "Sure, it breaks down but not nearly as much as humans do." "So, machines are programmed to turn out automobiles, right?" "." "And they do a better job, faster and they check it out, everything." "So, if you have supermarkets, where you remove goods from a supermarket, the supermarket's computer will order stuff instead of somebody with a pencil and paper taking inventory." "You don't need that." "So what we do is shorten the workday for everybody." "Instead of 2 week vacation, you get a month vacation." "We produce a lot of sailboats for your use." "Here's a negative aspect:" "nobody owns anything in the future." "You have to do away with ownership." "You don't own your wife, no guy owns his wife and orders her around" "She's an independent person, makes her own decisions." "No more, anyone, over controlling you." "There's no subservience, no debt, no money loaned at interest." "You understand what I'm saying?" "." "Only in that way, anything" "less than that will not work." "Yes?" "." "Let me give that guy right here a chance." "Gentleman:" "Ever since the beginning of time and man, there has been an exchange for something." "If you're propsing a non-monetary system, then how do you... how do people then get an incentive to do something else?" "." "What incentive if there is no money?" "." "Jacque:" "There is an incentive group called "Doctors Without Borders."" "How many of you have ever heard of it?" "." "They work for nothing." "Their sense of well-being is helping people." "And Martin Luther King wasn't promised five thousand bucks if he marched into the South." "He did it because he believed in it." "Jesus, Mohatma Ghandi worked for nothing." "Nobody ever promised them anything." ""lf you did this I'll give you a house in the country." Nothing like that." "So everything great came about without money." "Now, if they tell you that money generates incentive, it also generates incentive for embezzlement, corruption, paying off your brother-in-law, you know what I mean?" "." "It generates all kinds of incentives." "And you had a question sir?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yes, everybody's kind of interested in the situation with the computers and what it keeps coming back to me..." "Voting machines are a good example of this." "Even if the society is then..." "Let's say we'd been using paper ballots to a certain point and society was sort of sort of free in a sense that we were all having a say in what was going on around us." "Now we have computers and we know from the 2000 election, at least a lot of us know, those computers were tampered with." "And the people that were helping, that we were electing to help make decisions within our society." "They wanted their opportunity to take everything and make their decisions over all of us." "How do we keep that kind of corruption from creeping back in, when a rogue computer program" "Jacque:" "The Venus Project doesn't advocate people in government." "Machines, we have a machine government." "Now, don't let that scare you." "Let me tell you what it means." "The agricultural department machines go into the soil." "If the watertable drops, that pumps water out there." "If the nutrients change, the machine pumps nutrients out there." "You don't need a guy there anymore." "You don't need a guy to tell the president "We're having a terrible flood in this area"" "And the president says "How bad is it?" ". " he says "Well there's 5,000 homeless in the next few days and maybe 1 5,000." So the president gets in an airplane and he flies over and he says "Yes we do have a flood." So what?" "." "We want to build flood control systems to take the flood waters and divert them to storage units." "Not have a president fly over and say "You have the drought." or" ""We have this or that." That isn't the answer." "Politics is nothing." "In fact, the kids of the future will say to you "Dad, couldn't you see that politics was corrupt basically?" "." "The whole money system, the banking system?" ". "" "Roxanne:" "There wouldn't be people in positions of differential advantage." "They do that type of behavior today because there's something to gain from it." "But if you have a society where everybody has access to things, there's no basis of corruption." "In the terms that you're thinking about it." "You're trying to think about it in today's society." "You're thinking about it in terms of the movies that people give you and extrapolating a free enterprise system into the machine society." "Gentleman:" "No, I'm not." "You're superimposing what I'm thinking." "Roxanne:" "Okay, let's try it again." "Gentleman:" "In the light of something..." "I saw some quotes from Krishnamurti in the Addendum." "Krishnamurti, his whole point was you have to be a light unto yourself and not depend on other people." "And when he taught this to everyone, the first thing they wanted to do was make him the next messiah." "It's human nature." "How do we get away from that?" "." "Jacque:" "Okay." "First of all, I want to tell you that every book today in modern psychology says that there's no such thing as human nature." "There's human behavior." "Now, when I went to the South Seas, I'm going to tell you what happened." "All the natives on Tuamoto, when I was 21, walked around completely nude." "And I never saw a native stare at a female body, that was brought up there." "They were swimming nude ever since they were this high." "And they always looked at the eyes of a girl, never the body." "But here, in America, the camera moves in on the cleavage line when the girl leans forward." "Then is covers her legs." "Then it covers her butt when she's walking." "That's where the guys get that from. "Hey get a load of that chick."" "And women say "Well, you know how men are." That isn't how men are." "That's how they're made in this culture." "But in the South Pacific where all the girls walked around nude you couldn't... no one collected pictures of nude women." "They were brought up that way." "Now, if you took your grandmother to Miami beach and she saw the girls walking around with their butts hanging out "They gone too fur!"" "Where she's coming from, she's right, but not right for this period in time." "Do you understand what I mean?" "." "Your grandmother brings with her her conventional views of her time." "So you can't take people that are obsolete and take them right out and put them in a new world." "You have to orient them then." "So we talk of environment only as the major factor." "The geneticists today are looking for the gay gene." "Some of them are looking for the democratic gene." "Can you beat that?" "." "How stupid can you be?" "." "When it's obvious that if a black man or a white man or the son of a klansman is brought up by a black family he's going to walk and talk like a black man." "If you take a black man and bring him up in England, in Oxford, he'll speak with an" "Oxford accent." "If you take a black man and bring him up in Germany he says" ""Deustchland o ber alles" just like a German." "There's no such thing as innate black behavior, or men are basically greedy." "All that's bullshit you get that in your culture." "Because you're given the blame in this culture." "And the reason marriage was set up; if you went around screwing fifty women they wouldn't know who the babies belong to." "So when you get married in the community, they all know you're responsible for the babies of that young lady you're with." "So marriage was an institution to save the kings and the noblemen from supporting your kids." "It's a bullshit profession." "And then if you don't get along, by the way, the lawyer says "lt costs you two thousand bucks to split up." Who the hell is he?" "." "How does he come up with that?" "." "If you don't like the guy, why can't you walk out?" "." "The lawyer says you've got to go through this procedure." "Then this guy with a white collar who that pronounces you man in wife." "Who the hell is he?" "." "How can he pronounce you man and wife?" "." "And in the Bible it says "Two people that really love each other no one can put asunder."" "If you really like a person." "Your parent says "l don't want you going with that guy."" "You don't give a damn." "Okay, you have another question?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah, in the examples you gave about how people used to work in elevators and then machines assembling automobiles on assembly lines with more technology that's going to become more prominen and there's going be-- if machines are better at doing things than humans," "then they are going to do them and not humans." "So what are humans supposed to do?" "." "Jacque:" "First of all, I know a guy, a little guy that designed a-- and they say to me "Can the machine be better than the guy that designed it?" ". "" "This little guy designed a machine to pick up a freight train and empty it." "He can't do that." "The guys that design machines that move coke bottles along, he can't move them that fast" "Machines are always faster than the designer." "So, your question," "Roxanne:" "What will people do?" "." "Jacque:" "What will people do?" "." "There will be art centers, music centers, produce plays, write concerts, travel, sail, scuba dive, explore the reefs, invent things." "Every soldier will be sent back to school to become a social innovator." "A person that works on problem-solving." "What a wonderful world we would have if we had soldiers that worked on problem- solving." "Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "The professional of soldiers are nothing." "A police officer is generally" " I hope there are some police officers here, is a nothing profession." "We can design cars today, when you get to a sixty mile an hour zone, the power output is sixty miles an hour." "You could step on the gas til you're blue in the face, and it won't go any faster." "We can design things today so you don't need laws." "All, 90 percent of man-made laws are strictly bullshit." "The only laws that count are the ways of natural law." "If you don't get enough sleep, nutritious food, you get sick." "No matter what your philosophy is." "But religion is one of the major conflict generators because it tells you such a thing as right and wrong, good and bad." "That depends on the culture." "I think judges will be considered criminals in the future." "I think that lawyers in the future would be considered criminals." "So all the things you call right today." "A young man flying in an airplane presses a button and drops napalm over a village, you call him a war hero." "We call him criminals." "But they don't" " You know what the old definition of a criminal was?" "." "One who removes an object from your possession without your permission." "They've changed that definition." "Today, it's one who is caught." "That's better." "So Washington is loaded with them as you see on your news reel." "Any other questions?" "." "Yes, you back there?" "." "Gentleman:" "You talked about how in new history books and stuff like that, how we tend to keep things hidden that maybe we don't want to hear." "Maybe war crimes, that people, Americans in general, in the past committed" "So, it's sort of like censorship I guess." "How would you present information that was previously censored to people who don't really want to see it?" "." "I believe in the whole thing that ignorance is bliss." "How would you get rid of censorship and bring everything to the forefront?" "." "And still if people don't want see that, how would you force that upon them?" "." "Roxanne:" "If censorship is done away with how would you get people to look at that information that they're not" "First of all, I don't know what you mean by censorship." "In the future, you can read anything you want to read, but you can't hurt anybody." "If you hurt them, your helped." "You're not put in prison." "Okay?" "." "We don't have any need for censorship." "Say one guy wants to build an airplane with a swept-forward wing." "Another guy wants to build it swept-back." "Who decides?" "." "We build it swept-forward, swept-back." "We can't-- we don't have to worry about how much will it cost." "We have the resources." "So, you're permitted to try anything." "If you want to try to make a pill that increases the oxygen in your blood, so you can swim underwater for an hour and a half." "You're not allowed to give it to your son, but you can try it on yourself." "Is that alright?" "." "Gentleman:" "I think he's asking, if you don't have censorship, how can you keep, let's say information a person doesn't want away from them?" "." "Jacque:" "I wouldn't know what information a person" "Gentleman:" "Let's say just for example, you don't want to see pornography." "Jacque:" "I don't want what?" "." "Gentleman:" "Let's just say for example a person does not want to see what we now call pornography." "And you have no censorship, so the assumption is that that pornography" "Jacque:" "I didn't say we don't have no censors." "Somebody else said that." "We do have" "Gentleman:" "I was trying to explain his question" "Jacque:" "We educate children to be able to relate to one another." "To speak, communicate with a referential language." "That means, today I believe most of you have been brought up to believe that everyone should have a right to their own opinion." "Isn't that true?" "." "Most of you?" "." "Let's say you live across the street from me." "And I see ten guys coming out of your apartment." "I could have all kinds of opinions, right?" "." "She could be a language instructor, a ballet instructor." "But if you give everybody the right to their own opinion, you're generating a lot of new problems." "I would make things available." "Anything they wanted to know, we'd tell them where to look it up." "Like the lnternet." "You can find out a great many things." "So, let people have access to information." "What they call transparency." "Then there's no need for hurting people." "There'd be no prisons in our society." "No police, no armies, no navies, no authority that you have to answer to." "We'd build sailboats for your use." "You don't have to come up to Fresco and say" ""Can I use a sailboat this Sunday?" ". " I say "There's fifty people before you."" "We build more than required so you can take it out yourself." "The only difference is your sailboat is monitored by satellite." "In case there's fire at sea, we know where to go to get you." "Not Big Brother watching you." "I'm talking about safety for your own good." "Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "There's no need to hurt anyone." "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "Aren't you going to need population control to make sure that the resources are never exceeded?" "." "Jacque:" "I couldn't get that." "Roxanne:" "Do you have to have population control so it doesn't exceed the resources?" "." "Jacque:" "Well, when you use the term "population control," that scares people." "We do a survey of what the carrying capacity of the Earth is and that tells us how many people the Earth can support." "If you exceed that, you're going to have malnutrition, disease, and territorial disputes." "Do you understand that?" "." "So many acres can support so many people." "If you put more than what the ground can support you're going to have disease, malnutrition and problems." "Gentleman:" "So how do you make sure that you don't exceed the limits of the resources?" "." "Jacque:" "Well, the survey committee tells us what, how many hospitals" "Roxanne:" "We have to educate people." "Jacque:" "They have to be educated." "Gentleman:" "Does this need to be done by birth control or euthanasia?" "." "Roxanne:" "You have to educate people." "Gentleman:" "Well educating people doesn't stop people from producing." "Jacque:" "We show them a film called "Dynamic Equilibrium in Nature."" "If you produce more people than the land can support, these are the problems you are going to have." "Now, if they don't seem to understand that, that's another problem." "Jacque:" "That's what you're talking about?" "." "Roxanne:" "There's lots of forms of birth control." "Gentleman:" "Right." "Jacque:" "You're talking about people that don't understand dynamic equilibrium?" "." "You can't plant millions of flowers in a given area, the soil will be exhausted." "So, you have to have a department of agriculture that says" ""Here's how you can grow more flowers." "We put soil additive."" "It takes a thousand years to make one inch of topsoil." "And the jackasses today build new cities right over it." "We would shave the topsoil, put it in soil banks, because we know differently than the old people that used to build right over things." "Today, they build a dam to generate power." "But fish can't get back to the sporting grounds when you build a dam." "So all of our dams have stepped areas where the fish can get back up to the sporting grounds." "You know what I mean?" "." "I mean total planning." "Today we design a dam to produce electricity." "In the future, it's an overview." "Do you understand the difference?" "." "There's no profit in it for anyone but everyone." "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "My question is, the population today is increasing exponentially." "Jacque:" "Yes." "Gentleman:" "And I expect it's going to continue that way." "Jacque:" "Until." "Gentleman:" "Until" "Jacque:" "The system collapses." "Gentleman:" "Til the system collapses or, I mean, as long as there's access to" "Jacque:" "We hope to get this film out before the system hits total collapse." "If we don't it will revert back." "I have no control." "Gentleman:" "But didn't you say you need the collapse to have the transition?" "." "Jacque:" "More than now." "If enough people look into the Venus Project, find out what it's about, you'll find that no one gets hurt." "We don't want to kill capitalists, communists, anybody." "They're all victims of culture." "There's no prisons, no police." "If you understand what I'm talking about, talk to your friends about it." "Look, the Venus Project is not perfect, it's just a hell of a lot better than the system today." "And it will get better." "And there are no final frontiers." "No utopia, no best buildings, no best laptops." "Every year they'll change and get better." "It's called an emergent society." "Today we have an established society." "It's fixed and it operates according to certain laws." "In the future, all societies will be "Come on and tell us how to improve."" "Chairs and everything else." "Roxanne:" "Use the mic." "I don't know if they can hear you in the back." "Jacque:" "Okay, can you hear me back there?" "." "We need an emergent society." "Not an established society." "Roxanne:" "Jacque." "Did you have a question?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah." "My question is:" "Do you advocate the abolition of forms of punishment in raising children?" "." "Roxanne:" "You're saying" "Roxanne:" "Advocate punishment in educating children is that your question?" "." "Gentleman:" "Would you advocate, yeah, the abolition of punishment?" "." "Roxanne:" "Would you advocate punishment in educating children?" "." "Jacque:" "Well, let me tell you how we educate children." "We do not order them to do excercise." "We have a big lake in the city." "And we have an island in the middle of the lake, two hundred feet up with a craft shop where you can make anything, free." "To get there you've got to row the boat." "You've gotta climb the hill." "So let's design it in our environment." "So you go to the library, you have to climb the hill and walk through the forest and reach different directions." "That's where you do it." "You don't order kids to stand out there." "If you hate excercise, you're poisoning yourself." "Do you know that?" "." "So, kids would have the motivation to go to the crafts shop." "You build it in." "That's the way nature works." "When a fox sees a porcupine, it doesn't know what it is." "It gets closer and closer until it gets stuck." "And later on it stays away from porcupines." "It's the greatest teacher in the world." "Roxanne:" "Jacque, there's a question there." "Jacque:" "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah, I wanted to know what type of procedures or protocols would this project go through if people were to rebel." "Because it seems as if this is sort of a cultural or some sort of land for the good of the good." "It seems like if someone wanted to become a dictatorship, I mean, become a dictator they could if they just somehow get the machines." "Jacque:" "Okay, what if a corrupt person wanted to become a dictator and take over the system?" "." "Let me say this: first of all, everybody lives well." "There are no poor, no hungry people." "So any-- if you wanted to take over what are you taking over?" "." "You live in a nice house." "You don't own anything in the future." "You have access to anything, like a public library, television cameras, anything you want." "It's there for your use." "The concept of ownership was good fifty or a hundred years ago." "Free enterprise was terrific, a hundred and fifty years ago." "But today, we have the capability to produce an abundance." "Go look at your shopping centers." "We can produce everything you need." "You don't have to charge people anymore." "I want to tell you where I got the ideas." "This may help you." "Roxanne:" "Wait, can l, Jacque, hold on, let me just answer that, during, they think that Hitler swayed, you know they say that Hitler swayed Germany, well he couldn't have done that." "A dictator couldn't have taken over unless the people in Germany had that value system to begin with." "When you have an educated populace, and not just in certain areas, but in a broad range, being a multi- disciplinarian, knowing a lot about a lot of subjects, you can't have somebody come up an dictate what they're going to do." "They would be helped rather than have that ability to sway people." "Gentleman:" "I don't understand because I just see that in some sort of way, there's going to have to be human labor in some sort of way, because if someone was to get a hold of the machines, then they'd have a hold of the resources." "They have that machine that makes your food, so if I have control of the machine that makes your food, you don't eat." "That means you build me a castle." "I want my house to be bigger than yours." "Jacque:" "If you have access to everything you need, all the food, health care, why do want to do that?" "." "Is there something wrong with the guy's head you mean?" "." "Gentleman:" "Could be, I don't know." "Jacque:" "If there is, he's then helped, he's not put in prison." "Gentleman:" "Human behavior over the centuries-- Jacque:" "They develop automobiles and airplanes" "Gentleman:" "Human behavior over the centuries-- Jacque:" "If your airplane has a tendency" "Roxanne:" "Because humans have always lived in scarcity." "There's no such thing as human nature." "There's human behavior," "Roxanne: and that's always been changed." "Gentleman:" "That's what I'm saying, human behavior." "Roxanne:" "That's always been changed because they've lived in the same deprivation and differential advantage." "If you change the environment, you'll get a different behavior." "Gentleman:" "But who's to change the environment?" "." "Who is the one to set that standard?" "." "To change the environment?" "." "Jacque:" "You." "If you understand what I'm talking about, if you agree that behavior is shaped by culture." "If you were brought up in the south you'd speak with a southern accent, do you buy that?" "." "If you never saw anything else?" "." "Gentleman:" "I believe that these..." "Jacque:" "What do you mean by human nature?" "." "Our views-- Gentleman:" "I'm not saying human nature," "Gentleman:" "I'm saying human behavior, and I said that from the beginning." "It's human behavior that always wants to go better and be on top." "Who is going to set the standard?" "." "Jacque:" "Okay." "I see what you mean now." "Gentleman:" "Whoever sets the standard" "Gentleman:" "Whoever sets the standard is the one who's in control then." "Jacque:" "Okay, let's assume-- Other Gentleman:" "You do that with your life though, you see..." "Jacque:" "Don't you see, why does anyone want to be at the top?" "." "Is that an ego problem, you think?" "." "Or why does anyone want to be over another person?" "." "I'd rather work with people, than over them." "If I meet a person that knows less about aircraft, say I work on aircraft safety devices, and they said in the old days that you can't take an airplane out of a flat spin." "So I designed wingtips that turned into the spin and took it down." "So, you learn how to say "l don't know how to take a plane out of a flat spin."" "They say "You'll never be able to take a plane--" That language in itself is ego." "Just to say, look they asked scientists "Can you put a man on the moon?" ". "" "and do you know what they said?" ". "l don't know."" ""What do you mean you don't know?" ". " "Well, we don't know what man can stand."" "They say "What do you mean by that?" ". " "We have to put him in a centerfuge and see where he conks out." At nine G's, nine gravities, or six gravities." "That means you can't shoot a rocket ship off too fast cause the people will die." "That's what I mean by "l don't know." So they put a guy in a rotor." "And they said "We don't know how to give a guy water in outerspace."" ""What do you mean you don't know?" "." "Give him a glass of water."" "If you pull the glass away the water would remain there and go off in bubbles." "So you can't give a guy a glass of water." "So you have to put water in like a toothpaste tube." "And squeeze it and drink it." "So that's why man says "l don't know."" "That's the most difficult for people to learn "l don't know."" "There are guys today that say "We'll never get to Mars, not in a thousand years."" "You'd think they didn't read studies of it." "Nah, just their stinkin' opinion." "Just say "l don't know." "It's not my field." "I don't even know how rockets work."" "That's honesty." "If somebody says "Listen, there's always been automobile accidents and you'll always have automobile accidents." Well this is a pinhead, that's not an innovator." "But if you're an innovator, there's nothing you don't feel that can be conquered." "Yes?" "." "I'll try that area?" "." "Lady:" "Can I say something?" "." "Can I say something to you, sir?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah." "Lady:" "You're saying that, you're wondering why, that how it's not going to be that somebody is going to want to be bigger and want to be better and want to dominate, but in the world we live in, and the way the world has always been" "we have classes of society." "We have the upper class, the middle class, the lower class." "In a real society, just living on earth with the earth, what do you need to be better than?" "." "You're not trying to prove anything to anyone, you're just living your life on earth in an equal society." "There is no need to be better than something." "Because there's no levels of goodness, you know what I mean?" "." "There's no middle, upper, higher, there's just life and living." "You don't need to be better than anybody." "Why would you want to?" "." "Gentleman:" "But that's the behavior of the human body." "You just can't take" "Gentleman: a pure-- Lady:" "Because this is environment we're in." "Gentleman:" "Even if that was true, you cannot take that physically out of a human body." "You can't take that behavior out of" "Lady:" "I've never experienced that behavior." "Roxanne:" "He's talking about you can't change that behavior." "Jacque:" "Human competition." "If you're brought up in a competitive environment" "like, "l can run faster than you." "Oh yeah?" ". " "Oh yeah," and we run." "So if I do run faster than you, does that make me better than you?" "." "Now, people do that because they get little recognition." "Now, you're going to have to take my word for this, because I haven't seen this today." "But when I was a kid, people used to sit on a telephone pole for a week." "Break the record." "Did you ever hear of that, anybody?" "." "Why do they do that?" "." "Because they're trying to say "Look at me, goddamnit I exist!"" "Very few people get recognition today." "So you say "That was a nice thing you did."" "But most people don't get recognition so they stand on their hands for four hours to get recognition." "This is the illness of our society." "Every kid should be rewarded." "Every kid should be encouraged to take steps forward." "Roxanne:" "You have a question over there." "Gentleman:" "So what I'm hearing is that ultimately for this thing to work" "Gentleman:" "Ultimately what I'm hearing for this thing to work is that the human condition has to be completely removed." "Jacque:" "To get this thing to work, the human condition-- Gentleman:" "Has to be removed." "Gentleman:" "Like whether you're in a specific culture, whether you're in a different society," "Gentleman: the problem is that there is always a need to thrive or to-- Jacque:" "To excel?" "." "Gentleman:" "To excel, and whether everybody is given the same opportunities, the same goals" "Jacque:" "Kids are given credit in school." "If you do something the way the teacher likes it, you get an 'A.'" "The person on the side of you, they get a 'C.' That creates jealousy and envy right away." "So in the schools of the future, we encourage every kid to work." "In other words, I wish I had a drawing board to show you, but when kids make a terrible drawing, the teacher hangs it up." "I never did that." "I saved the drawing where they draw people like stick figures and I said" ""Does this guy eat anything?" ". " He said "l made him too skinny."" "Right away the kid adds mass." "Don't let a kid do a childish drawing, and don't hang it up." "In other words, inform them as to how to improve that." "I take four-year-olds and teach them how to draw like twenty-year-olds." "Because the artist himself has learned to draw over a long period of time, and doesn't always know how he does it." "He says "l guess it's nature." "I've been drawing for a long time." But he's a bad communicator." "If you still understand me, we don't know-- a lot of people think that somebody invented language." "And they say the real aim in life is to communicate." "That's not true." "What happened, a guy banged his elbow and he went "ahh."" "Then he banged his knee and went "uhh."" "Then he ate something from the tree and said "mmm."" "Language is an extrapolation of all those sounds over many years." "Nobody's ever sat down and invented language." "Anymore than anybody sat down and invented the wheel." "Which they tell you in all schools today." ""Somebody invented the wheel." "That was the beginning of the machine age." That's not true." "When a log fell over another log and the guy pulled it, it rolled." "And "ahh, that's good." Well, if there's a stone in the way, that stopped the whole thing from turning." "So they shaved the bark off." "And eventually you had two wheels on hand." "But nobody ever sat down and invented anything." "That's all bullshit." "A person takes an idea so far, another person adds to it, and gradually you get an automobile." "But nobody ever sat down and went like-- and made an airplane." "Well when you climb a hill, I don't know you, but you look for the slight flats." "If you don't step on the flats you slip." "So after you live there ten years it looks like steps." "Roxanne:" "They can't hear you back there." "Jacque:" "It looks like steps." "But no- when he moves he cuts out steps." "But he doesn't come to a hill and say "l need steps to get up it." That's not possible." "Nobody invented the propellor." "There are many things that grow on trees that spin down to the ground." "I'm sure you've seen them." "There's nothing that man ever thought of that was original." "Including the wireless." "Including Tesla." "I can tell you where he got it if you really want to know." "And I can tell you where ideas come from." "They don't come from nothing." "They don't come from a guy thinking about it." "All that's bullshit." "They don't know- artists themselves don't know how they do things." "So I used to take children and give them a stick and they'd make a zigzag in the sand." "And accidentally that zigzag looked like Abraham Lincoln." "You know what I mean?" "." "So the kid says "This is Abraham." I said "Don't lie to me, you just went like that and that happened to..." "That's right."" "You know, anything-- kids pick up a pencil, and they make all kinds of lines." "If it happens to look like a bird, they put an eye in it." "Do you understand?" "." "They're little liars." "Roxanne:" "There's a question way back there." "Jacque:" "Yes, sir?" "." "Gentleman:" "You talked about how it'd be a really good thing if we had soldiers eventually working and learning and building things that would help our society." "How can you get to that point when at this point in time and in the foreseeable future there's a necessary to protect our way of life?" "." "How could you keep and maintain that way of life without having to defend that with force." "When other people, for whatever reason, want to destroy that way of life." "That you live or that they live." "You know, it doesn't necessarily-- Other Gentleman:" "Have you watched Zeitgeist?" "." "Gentleman:" "What's up?" "." "Other Gentleman:" "Did you watch the Zeitgeist movies?" "." "Jacque:" "Okay, how do you protect this way of life that I'm talking about without soldiers?" "." "Roxanne:" "No, no, this way of life." "You're talking about today?" "." "How do you protect today's way of life without soldiers?" "." "Gentleman:" "Yeah." "Roxanne:" "How do you protect today's way of life without soldiers?" "." "Jacque:" "Can't." "Soldiers represent the establishment, not the majority of people." "Police represent the establishment, not the majority of people." "If the majority of people did something that against the establishment the police would put them down." "The police are the tools and instruments of the establishment." "If policemen in the future, if there are any during the transition, if you're driving your car and oscillating a lot, a police officer would say" ""Can I help you in any way?" "." "Where are you trying to get to?" ". "" "Said "l have a terrible headache and I don't know..." They'll help you." "Not "Where did you learn to drive?" "." "Let me see your license."" "These are bullies, not human beings." "Like I said, most soldiers are killing machines." "They're not even human anymore." "And I'm sorry about what I'm saying, but we want to raise human beings on the planet that care for the environment and one another." "Anything less than that is not worth saving." "Yes?" "." "Gentleman:" "Your website says you have, I think 21 acres down there in Florida?" "." "Roxanne:" "Mm-hm." "Gentleman:" "Are you-- you have land down in Florida, correct?" "." "Jacque:" "Yes." "Gentleman:" "Are you trying to go forward with a model of this civilization by making or starting-- Roxanne:" "It's a research center." "We've done books and videos, we're going to have a tv station there, an internet station." "We're training-- we're going to be affiliated shortly with universities there, training architects and engineers in this new way of thinking." "Roxanne:" "We've got a whole lot up there." "Gentleman:" "But are you actually trying to build a community?" "." "Roxanne:" "Not-- well, we are taking on more people but for specific things." "Roxanne:" "But we do want to expand to another location for a first city." "That's what we're aiming for." "But before that, we'd like to do a movie." "We think you really can't take the people of today and move them in a new city and have it much different." "We want to do a major motion picture that will go around to the whole world showing life in the future." "But every single movie today on the future is detrimental." "It's like the free enterprise system extrapolated into the future." "And all these restrictions and all these machines killing people." "We want to show a positive future to pose a direction for people to work towards." "And then we want to do flashbacks of how we get from here to there to help answer questions for people." "Gentleman:" "It's just that it's all an ideal." "It's a beautiful vision, and I love to see the pictures and I love the concept." "But it's so hard to see how we're going to be able to get there from here without killing people, without" "Jacque:" "Were you here when I talked about the ku klux klan?" "." "Gentleman:" "Right." "Jacque:" "When we want to turn them around, if we are smarter than they are, you don't say "That's a terrible organization you belong to."" "When a guy says to me "What do you think of the klan?" ". " I say "It's a great organization, but it doesn't go far enough." Then he says "What do you mean?" ". "" "See, so you have to be wise enough not to antagonize people that think differently than you do." "I believe that the people here are very sincere when they say" ""You can't change human nature." They mean they're saying that as far as they have ever observed, humans have always been greedy, always committed crimes, no matter what flag they were under." "And that's true because conditions have always been scarce." "I don't say they haven't." "They always have been scarce." "So if you're brought up in a family with seven brothers, and they hand down the clothing to you, from your older brother." "You say "Daddy, why did I get used clothing and Billy gets new ones?" ". " He says "Because I can't afford to buy every kid new clothing." So when he gets a job, he never wears used clothing." "Did you know that?" "." "So, where he get it from?" "." "Being handed down second hand clothing." "Now, that's true in many instances." "And there are even people today that have been" " Well, let me put it with animals, something you probably didn't know." "When an animal cannot get to mother's breast for milk, say she has three the little animal that's pushed back by all the other dogs, there, they always get pushed back." "That dog or wolf or fox always becomes the leader." "Did you know that?" "." "How many of you knew that?" "." "Not one hand." "Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "The kid that's pushed back a lot always becomes the leader." "Those are the conditions that they find in animal behavior that makes one animal a leader, and the others not." "Now that's research that they find." "They also found out" " They felt intuitively that if you took a Chinese baby, he would learn Chinese faster than an English baby exposed to Chinese." "So they tried it out, and they both ran at the same time." "You'd imagine, speaking Chinese for generations, maybe the baby learned a little fast-- no, they did not." "So, when you put things to test," "I worked for the aircraft industry for a long time and when I was first introduced to it, they used to finish an airplane, and they say that it holds up twenty five pounds per square foot." "Did you know that they pile sand bags on the wing until it breaks off?" "." "And it breaks off and twenty seven pounds per square" "They say "It's true, our calculations are right." I love that system." "Another thing they used to do, when they finished a brand new commercial airliner they'd pull it up in the air, twenty five feet off the ground and cut the cable." "BOOM!" "It would fall on the ground, see if the landing gear holds up." "I love that system." "Better than calculations, or anything else." "So if I designed a bridge  the only difference is that he would have webbed feet." "Okay?" "." "Now, the reason they invented these duplicates cause sometimes the son of an important person commits rape." "So he says "lt was the duplicate people that came up from under the ground."" "See, they saved a hell of a lot of people in high places that way." "I want to tell you about the Salem witch hunts." "How many of you know about them?" "." "How many of you knew that for every witch you found, you inherited their bank account and their property." "Did you know that?" "." "How many of you knew that?" "." "Only four people or five." "So, there was a good reason for finding witches." "I'm sorry, I'm not your enemy, I'm really your friend." "I'm trying to tell you about a new way of thinking." "You've been exposed to the old way most of your life." "You're not about to step into this." "We don't know each other that well, but if you look into the Venus Project, you can get answers in lots of detail." "I've been working all my life to try to find out if there's anything extra-physical." "Because a lot of ministers used to come to my seminars and they said" ""Jacque, the trouble with you is you don't believe in human nature, and you don't believe in anything extra- physical."" "I said "Sir, I have never seen extra- physical." "Have you?" ". " and they say "Yes."" ""Take me there." So they took me to a woman that had the power of telekinesis." "You know what that is?" "." "Moving objects without touching them." "And she had a bell buzzer under the table with four rubber shock mounts." "The table was highly polished, slightly tilted, and a vibratory rate that moved that object down the table." "But, I've been to thousands of seances." "I've been to, we brought people over from India, because this guy said he never used a telephone, he telepathized." "All the time, telepathy." "So I said "All you have to do is read my mind once." Not based on coincidence." "If it was an eldery person, say seventy, he says "There's been a death in the family." "Either three weeks or..." There's always a death in the family when you're seventy years old." "So I think he was working on probability." "So I said "What if I think of something in the technical field, and you can't use technical language, can you describe the event?" He says "Yes."" "I says "Great." So I pictured a little white mouse this size that goes into the zoo and it eats an elephant and doesn't get any larger and walks on." "If he got that, there's telepathy." "That's not probability, you have a sister, you thought maybe you were." "You know what I mean?" "." "Everybody has a sister they're thinking of, that is most people." "So then, he didn't get that. "Well, maybe he really has that power but it didn't work in that instance." So I pictured a woodsaw, you know what a carpenter uses?" "." "A woodsaw with legs." "And the woodsaw walks into the forest, and a tree looks at the saw, and the tree cuts the saw in half." "Now, that's outside of the box." "If there's telepathy, he'd have gotten it." "Do you understand?" "." "But if you're thinking "l was thinking of my Uncle Harry,"" ""Some relative you were thinking of, is that right?" ". "" ""Yeah, my Uncle Harry." So, they're all within probability." "Another time I had a couple over my home." "They claimed they had the power of telepathy." "So I said "Great." "One demonstration's all I need." So the guy put his wife in my bedroom." "I've never seen him before." "And I whispered in his ear" ""Abraham Lincoln." And his wife came right out and said "You whispered in my husband's ear 'Abraham Lincoln."' Here's how that works: they work on a posture position." "If he's sitting with his arms folded, it's Lincoln." "If he's sitting like this it's Jefferson." "If he's sitting like this it's Cary Grant, the movie actor." "You understand?" "." "They work out a system that you know nothing about." "It's an esoteric language, although they seem to be talking in normal language their language has a different communication." "Another time a guy came to my lab and he says "Jacque I can demonstrate telepathy, so that you'll be convinced." I says "Shoot." "I have no reason not believe in it." "I just would like to see a demonstration."" "So he said "l want you to call this guy in England, and you whisper, from your own pictures of movie actors, take any movie actor." I think I picked Clark Gable, years ago." "And I said "Clark Gable." And he said "Now call this guy in England." "His name is Frachmorn."" "I called Frachmorn and he said "l see a guy with curly hair, very tall, black hair and his name is Clark Gable." When I called this guy in England." "You wonder how that works." "Well, that would convince most people." "Here's how it works:" "He's got a friend in England, named Benson." "If you asked for Mr. Worthington, it means Abraham Lincoln." "So he's got a list of names." "Do you understand that?" "." "But if you don't know that "l heard it with my own ears." people tell me." "There is no magic, nothing." "No wheels that turn without a connection, or a magnetic unit in the wall that turns." "There is no magic." "Now, I read that a mother got up at night." "I don't know what it was, she said she had the strange feeling that 'Something happened to my son in the war." "I know that.'" "And the next day she got a letter from the war department." "I'm sure you've heard this." "How many people heard this?" "." "So I called the war department and I said "ls it true?" ". "" "And they said "We get fifteen thousand letters a day that 'something happened to my Jimmy,' and nothing happened."" "So you hear about the ones that happened." "Do you understand what I'm saying?" "." "There's no magic." "People like to believe in magic because it makes them feel good." "They like to believe in the life here-after." "You know, where you kick the bucket and you meet all your relatives." "In 20, or 40 or 50 or a thousand years before, chimps, that's your relatives." "What do you do in heaven all day long, sing?" "." "And Lord said he put you here to praise him." "This is not God, this is a psychopath." "And I'm trying tell you man can't conceive of God." "And that's where technology is moving." "They're trying to make a god." "They're trying to make automobiles smart enough to tell you, 'check your tires." "you're low on air.' After that the tire will be jacked automatically and air would be pumped into it." "Do you understand that?" "." "Your computer will tell you to shut it off at a certain time." "Your automobile when you get through with it, you get out and it'll go and plug itself in to charge the battery." "You won't have to do any of that." "The future is a fantastic place." "Yes?" "." "Lady:" "So what do you think does happen to us when we die?" "." "We just die and that's..." "Jacque:" "Well, it isn't what I think." "If I die, say you bury me a foot underground, the plants get very tall." "Which is, I'm disappearing, and the plants are getting taller." "And the worms are getting fatter." "The stuff you're made of was always around." "Cause you're made of plants you ate, chicken you've eaten." "They've always been around." "Now, here's what people don't understand, where did all this come from?" "." "That's the big question they ask." "Wel, if you study science, you'll find out you can take a steel ball and you can heat it to twenty million degrees and it looks like it's gone." "But it's been converted to radiant energy." "You can't destroy matter or make matter." "You can change it." "You can eat carrots and become a little taller." "Some of the carrots make up your hair, your eyes, everything else." "But matter is never created." "There's no evidence of matter being created." "Or destroyed." "Change, yes." "You can take anything and smash it into powder." "Or when I die there'll be gases coming off and the plants will get taller and the vultures will get a little fatter, if I die on the outside." "But you can't-- you destroy the organization called Fresco, but the stuff he's made of will go back into bugs and the insects and other things." "It's a terrible thing." "I'd rather believe I go on and meet all my loved ones." "That's why people are so easily persuaded by "You're a good man and your kindness will be rewarded." Now, that's a good thing to say in church." "Now, the church people all the Bible is subject to interpretation." "Everything written in it." "That's why you have the seventh day adventists, the catholics, because it's subject to interpretation." "Science is not." "Thank you for your time, I hope we're still friends."