"[ dramatic music plays ] [ bird cawing ] [ bird cawing ] [ film projector whirring ] [ door latch clicks ] [ beep ] [ door closes ] [ guitar tuning ] okay,youready?" "yep." "we'rerolling." "yep." "we'rerolling." "1,2 ,3 ,4 ." "we'rerolling." "1,2 ,3 ,4 ." "[ guitar plays folk music ]" "We were just kids..." "With nothing to lose and nowhere to call home." "With nothing to lose and nowhere to call home." "But we had these songs..." "To call home." "But we had these songs..." "And we had these dreams." "But we had these songs..." "And we had these dreams." "So we threw it all in the back" "And we had these dreams." "So we threw it all in the back of an old van and just started" "So we threw it all in the back of an old van and just started driving." "Of an old van and just started driving." "[ music intensifies ]" "Driving." "[ music intensifies ] our destination -- sound city." "[ music intensifies ] our destination -- sound city." "[ hard rock 'n' roll plays ]" "Watching the world through a windshield, there's no looking back." "Windshield, there's no looking back." "We lefeverything behind." "When you're young, you're not afraid of what comes next." "You're excited by it." "We were driving a van that could break down at any moment..." "Going on tours that could be" "Break down at any moment..." "Going on tours that could be canceled at any moment..." "Going on tours that could be canceled at any moment..." "And playing music with people" "Canceled at any moment..." "And playing music with people who could disappear at any" "And playing music with people who could disappear at any moment." "We had no idea that the next 16 days were gonna change our world forever." "But I remember pulling into the parking lot and thinking, "really?" "Parking lot and thinking, "really?" "This is sound city?"" ""really?" "This is sound city?" [ door hinges squeak ] youknow,it 'sweird,like, when you walk into sound city, you either love it or you hate" "You either love it or you hate it." "lookskindof dumpy." "it'sa shit-hole." "it'sa shit-hole." "everythingwassecondhand." "itwassomethingofa time  warp, I think, or something." "Warp, I think, or something." "[ laughs ] [ laughs ] brownshagcarpetonthe wall -- that's the kind of thing brownshagcarpetonthe wall -- that's the kind of thing that you would do to your van." "Wall -- that's the kind of thing that you would do to your van." "itwaslike,"well,theplace" "That you would do to your van." "itwaslike,"well,theplace  is already kind of trashed, so" "Is already kind of trashed, so anything goes, you know?"" "itwasdirty.Ouknow?" didn't really feel like I wanted" "Didn't really feel like I wanted to sit on any of the furniture." "youcouldrecordthereand not come back for 15 years and" "Not come back for 15 years and walk in, and it's the exact same" "Walk in, and it's the exact same as the last time you were there." "As the last time you were there." "theparkinglotusedto theparkinglotusedto flood, and it used to make a" "Flood, and it used to make a wave that came up the hallway of" "Wave that came up the hallway of sound city." "soundcitywaslike,you know, you could put your" "Know, you could put your cigarette out on the floor." "abottleof jackdaniel'sgot spilled all over the carpet." ""who cares?" "It's sound city." "Spilled all over the carpet." ""who cares?" "It's sound city." "Who cares?"" "Ialwayssay,you could,you know, piss in the corner and nobody would complain." "Know, piss in the corner and nobody would complain." "[ rapid drumming ]" "Nobody would complain." "[ rapid drumming ] itwasjustalittlemore [ rapid drumming ] itwasjustalittlemore fucked-up than I thought it itwasjustalittlemore fucked-up than I thought it should be." "Fucked-up than I thought it should be." "But walking down the hallway and" "Should be." "But walking down the hallway and seeing all of those platinum" "But walking down the hallway and seeing all of those platinum records on the wall..." "Seeing all of those platinum records on the wall..." "[ tom petty's "refugee" plays ]" "Records on the wall..." "[ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] tompetty." "[ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] tompetty." "fleetwoodmac." "tompetty." "fleetwoodmac." "[ "don't stop" plays ] fleetwoodmac." "[ "don't stop" plays ] rickspringfield." "[ "don't stop" plays ] rickspringfield." "rickspringfield." "rickspringfield." "rickspringfield." "[ "jessie's girl" plays ] rickspringfield." "[ "jessie's girl" plays ] neilyoung,man." "[ "jessie's girl" plays ] neilyoung,man." "cheaptrick." "neilyoung,man." "cheaptrick." "[ "surrender" plays ] cheaptrick." "[ "surrender" plays ] thechilipeppers." "[ "surrender" plays ] thechilipeppers." "robhalford." "thechilipeppers." "robhalford." "patbenatar." "robhalford." "patbenatar." "kansas." "patbenatar." "kansas." "gunsn 'roses." "kansas." "gunsn 'roses." "nineinchnails." "gunsn 'roses." "nineinchnails." "nevermind." "nineinchnails." "nevermind." "[ nirvana plays ] nevermind." "[ nirvana plays ] ♪hot-blooded [ nirvana plays ] ♪hot-blooded foreigner." "♪hot-blooded foreigner." "slayer." "foreigner." "slayer." "ratt." "slayer." "ratt." "johnnycash." "ratt." "johnnycash." "carlperkins." "johnnycash." "carlperkins." "metallica." "carlperkins." "metallica." "r.E.O.Speedwagon." "metallica." "r.E.O.Speedwagon." "♪timeformetofight  r.E.O.Speedwagon." "♪timeformetofight  michaelmcdonald." "♪timeformetofight  michaelmcdonald." "mickfleetwood." "michaelmcdonald." "mickfleetwood." "buckinghamnicks." "mickfleetwood." "buckinghamnicks." "[ bachman-turner overdrive's buckinghamnicks." "[ bachman-turner overdrive's " you ain't seen nothing yet"" "[ bachman-turner overdrive's " you ain't seen nothing yet" plays ]" "" you ain't seen nothing yet" plays ] ♪likearainbowinthe" "Plays ] ♪likearainbowinthe dark ♪" "♪likearainbowinthe dark ♪ stevienix." "Dark ♪ stevienix." "mastersofreality." "stevienix." "mastersofreality." "frankblack." "mastersofreality." "frankblack." "brisbane." "frankblack." "brisbane." "rickrubin." "brisbane." "rickrubin." "kyuss." "rickrubin." "kyuss." "weezer." "dude,howmanyfucking amazing albums have been made there?" "Amazing albums have been made there?" "[ rock 'n' roll plays ]" "There?" "[ rock 'n' roll plays ] vincentprice,tellysavalas." "vincentprice,tellysavalas." "We would record anything." "Anybody would walk in the door that could pay the bill." "That could pay the bill." "[ neil young's "southern man"" "[ neil young's "southern man" plays ]" "Plays ] tomisthisbig ,tall,lanky, tomisthisbig ,tall,lanky, gomer-y kind of guy that just fell off the turnip truck." "Gomer-y kind of guy that just fell off the turnip truck." "He wants you to think that," "Fell off the turnip truck." "He wants you to think that, anyway." "firsttimeIwas everwalked in a recording studio." "First time I'd ever even seen" "In a recording studio." "First time I'd ever even seen one." "First time I'd ever even seen one." "♪southernman" "One." "♪southernman Iwaswithawest virginia" "♪southernman Iwaswithawest virginia holding company that was buying" "Iwaswithawest virginia holding company that was buying little businesses." "Joe gottfried and another guy had started sound city in 1969." "He was actually the vocalist for" "Had started sound city in 1969." "He was actually the vocalist for the u.S. Army." "He was actually the vocalist for the u.S. Army." "When he was in the army, he was" "The u.S. Army." "When he was in the army, he was stationed at a hotel in" "Stationed at a hotel in manhattan." "A friend of his, joe leahy, who was a big-band leader and had" "Was a big-band leader and had done music for cbs, and they" "Done music for cbs, and they were the two main guys in the" "Were the two main guys in the studio when I came in, in 1970." "Studio when I came in, in 1970." "Keith olsen was the" "Keith olsen was the chief engineer." "theonlyreasonwhy the  studio business survived was because the building ownership" "Studio business survived was because the building ownership was tom, and tom would not" "Because the building ownership was tom, and tom would not foreclose on them." "Was tom, and tom would not foreclose on them." "theywereaboutone weekaway" "Foreclose on them." "theywereaboutone weekaway  from being closed by the irs." "theywereaboutone weekaway  from being closed by the irs." "They owed taxes." "From being closed by the irs." "They owed taxes." "It was kind of chaos, to be" "They owed taxes." "It was kind of chaos, to be honest with you." "But there was an opportunity to get into the entertainment" "Get into the entertainment business." "Business." "[ fans screaming ] thisisbeatleland,formerly known as britain, where an epidemic called "beatlemania"" "Known as britain, where an epidemic called "beatlemania" has seized the teenage" "Epidemic called "beatlemania" has seized the teenage population, especially female." "Has seized the teenage population, especially female." "[ fans screaming ]" "Population, especially female." "[ fans screaming ] thebigpotattheendof the  [ fans screaming ] thebigpotattheendof the  rainbow is signing an ex-beatle." "thebigpotattheendof the  rainbow is signing an ex-beatle." "We'd have had a zillion dollars," "We'd have had a zillion dollars, you know?" "You know?" "hi-fiandstereoequipment hi-fiandstereoequipment created an industry with an" "Created an industry with an annual income today of $2.5 billion." "Annual income today of $2.5 billion." "somebodyatsoundcitycame" "$2.5 billion." "somebodyatsoundcitycame  up with this idea -- "we could somebodyatsoundcitycame  up with this idea -- "we could start a record company."" "Up with this idea -- "we could start a record company." sothatwasmygoal ,to" "Start a record company." sothatwasmygoal ,to produce some records and have a sothatwasmygoal ,to produce some records and have a hit record and make a lot of" "Produce some records and have a hit record and make a lot of money." "Hit record and make a lot of money." "That was the whole reason we" "Money." "That was the whole reason we bought it." "soundcity-- it wasfunky." "It was in the valley, but we only used the valley to get to" "It was in the valley, but we only used the valley to get to hollywood." "Only used the valley to get to hollywood." "The valley was just this flat" "Hollywood." "The valley was just this flat expanse of too many houses" "The valley was just this flat expanse of too many houses already." "Expanse of too many houses already." "You know, so it was, like, kind" "Already." "You know, so it was, like, kind of not happening at all." "You know, so it was, like, kind of not happening at all." "neilyoungpulledinfast in" "Of not happening at all." "neilyoungpulledinfast in a very old car, smoke billowing neilyoungpulledinfast in a very old car, smoke billowing out of every window." "A very old car, smoke billowing out of every window." "Behind him was two l.A.P.D." "Out of every window." "Behind him was two l.A.P.D. Officers, guns drawn." "Behind him was two l.A.P.D. Officers, guns drawn." "[ chuckling ] you know?" "Officers, guns drawn." "[ chuckling ] you know?" "okay,moveoverthe the rear [ chuckling ] you know?" "okay,moveoverthe the rear of the car." "okay,moveoverthe the rear of the car." "Place your hands on the trunk." "Of the car." "Place your hands on the trunk." "Iattractedpolicealot" "Place your hands on the trunk." "Iattractedpolicealot because of the cars that I was" "Iattractedpolicealot because of the cars that I was driving." "Because of the cars that I was driving." "And I didn't have a license, you" "Driving." "And I didn't have a license, you know, because I was canadian." "And I didn't have a license, you know, because I was canadian." "I wasn't even supposed to be" "Know, because I was canadian." "I wasn't even supposed to be there." "I wasn't even supposed to be there." "aboutfiveminuteslater," "There." "aboutfiveminuteslater, they just got in their cars and aboutfiveminuteslater, they just got in their cars and drove off." "They just got in their cars and drove off." "Imadetherecordinmy" "Drove off." "Imadetherecordinmy  house." "Imadetherecordinmy  house." "Most of it, I did in my house." "House." "Most of it, I did in my house." "And then we went to sound city" "Most of it, I did in my house." "And then we went to sound city with briggs, my producer, and we" "And then we went to sound city with briggs, my producer, and we put down a piano song called" "With briggs, my producer, and we put down a piano song called "birds" there." "Put down a piano song called "birds" there." "Then, we did the vocals, and" ""birds" there." "Then, we did the vocals, and then they sounded so good that I" "Then, we did the vocals, and then they sounded so good that I said, "well, hell, let's just" "Then they sounded so good that I said, "well, hell, let's just sing everything."" "Said, "well, hell, let's just sing everything." so it's really a hybrid record." "♪ I can love ♪ I can really love ♪ I can really love mydadandjoe werepartners in crime." "They were very close." "In crime." "They were very close." "They were thick as thieves." "They were very close." "They were thick as thieves." "tomwas,like,the business" "They were thick as thieves." "tomwas,like,the business guy and stuff like that, but joe tomwas,like,the business guy and stuff like that, but joe was the heart of it all, really." "Guy and stuff like that, but joe was the heart of it all, really." "sweetestguyin theuniverse." "Was the heart of it all, really." "sweetestguyin theuniverse." "Absolutely one of the nicest, sweetestguyin theuniverse." "Absolutely one of the nicest, truest people I've ever known." "hewasn'taguy ina suit who was counting money and just trying to rip off as many" "Was counting money and just trying to rip off as many musicians as he could." "Trying to rip off as many musicians as he could." "That wasn't his thing." "Musicians as he could." "That wasn't his thing." "He loved the fact that bands" "That wasn't his thing." "He loved the fact that bands were coming in and making great" "He loved the fact that bands were coming in and making great records there." "joewasalways,like, positive, more optimistic." "Always, "the next big thing's" "Positive, more optimistic." "Always, "the next big thing's gonna be out there."" "Always, "the next big thing's gonna be out there." joegaveme timetolearnand" "Gonna be out there." joegaveme timetolearnand to hone what I do." "joegaveme timetolearnand to hone what I do." "He was quite a guy." "To hone what I do." "He was quite a guy." "whenweboughtthe studio,we" "He was quite a guy." "whenweboughtthe studio,we were struggling for a year or whenweboughtthe studio,we were struggling for a year or two, and we could see we" "Were struggling for a year or two, and we could see we couldn't just get the premier" "Two, and we could see we couldn't just get the premier acts." "Couldn't just get the premier acts." "You needed state-of-the-art" "Acts." "You needed state-of-the-art equipment to get the top acts" "You needed state-of-the-art equipment to get the top acts with the top budgets." "Equipment to get the top acts with the top budgets." "So it was my goal to do that." "thisguy,rupertneve, designed these next-generation consoles." "Designed these next-generation consoles." "I had flown to England, and I" "Consoles." "I had flown to England, and I saw one once, and they were like" "I had flown to England, and I saw one once, and they were like this, you know, built like a" "Saw one once, and they were like this, you know, built like a brick shit house." "This, you know, built like a brick shit house." "hewas,youknow,agenius" "Brick shit house." "hewas,youknow,agenius engineer." "hewas,youknow,agenius engineer." "There's only four like this in" "Engineer." "There's only four like this in the world, and this is the only" "There's only four like this in the world, and this is the only one that was custom-ordered from" "The world, and this is the only one that was custom-ordered from the factory by keith." "The neve sound that my ear hast always been attuned to." "Always been attuned to." "they'remathematicallycrisp they'remathematicallycrisp and very, very good." "And very, very good." "They're just very solid." "It's like a tank or something." "thenevethingis- -there just weren't that many made, thenevethingis- -there just weren't that many made, because they're so handmade." "Just weren't that many made, because they're so handmade." "thisneveboardthatyoutalk" "Because they're so handmade." "thisneveboardthatyoutalk about, you know, this is not my thisneveboardthatyoutalk about, you know, this is not my world." "About, you know, this is not my world." "You know, engineers have to" "World." "You know, engineers have to spend, like, hours on the" "You know, engineers have to spend, like, hours on the kick-drum sound." "Spend, like, hours on the kick-drum sound." "Please, I would rather have a" "Kick-drum sound." "Please, I would rather have a blood transfusion." "Please, I would rather have a blood transfusion." "But I do remember that there was" "Blood transfusion." "But I do remember that there was something different about the" "But I do remember that there was something different about the sound of this board." "Something different about the sound of this board." "And then of course, everybody " "Sound of this board." "And then of course, everybody -- "oh, my god, it's a neve board,"" "And then of course, everybody -- "oh, my god, it's a neve board," I'll never forget them saying." ""oh, my god, it's a neve board," I'll never forget them saying." "arecordingconsoleislike" "I'll never forget them saying." "arecordingconsoleislike  the center of the spaceship." "arecordingconsoleislike  the center of the spaceship." "If you're gonna fly to mars, you" "The center of the spaceship." "If you're gonna fly to mars, you got to have something with all" "If you're gonna fly to mars, you got to have something with all the master controls." "Got to have something with all the master controls." "itlookslike,you know,the" "The master controls." "itlookslike,you know,the enterprise on steroids, from a itlookslike,you know,the enterprise on steroids, from a long time ago." "Enterprise on steroids, from a long time ago." "adeskthat'slikeagiant" "Long time ago." "adeskthat'slikeagiant  stereo, except instead of doing adeskthat'slikeagiant  stereo, except instead of doing bass, middle, and treble, it's," "Stereo, except instead of doing bass, middle, and treble, it's, like, you can do that on each" "Bass, middle, and treble, it's, like, you can do that on each drum, you know, each mike, each" "Like, you can do that on each drum, you know, each mike, each thing." "Drum, you know, each mike, each thing." "allthemicrophonesinthe" "Thing." "allthemicrophonesinthe studio are routed into that allthemicrophonesinthe studio are routed into that console." "Studio are routed into that console." "From there, you can change e.Q.," "Console." "From there, you can change e.Q., add effects, change the levels." "From there, you can change e.Q., add effects, change the levels." "And that goes into the tape" "Add effects, change the levels." "And that goes into the tape machine, where it's recorded." "And that goes into the tape machine, where it's recorded." "[ drum tests ] thisboard,if youput a fader up and turn the mike pre" "Fader up and turn the mike pre up, and somebody hits a tom-tom" "Up, and somebody hits a tom-tom or a snare drum, it sounds" "Or a snare drum, it sounds great." "It sounds wide-open." "It sounds huge." "If you turn the mike pre up too" "It sounds huge." "If you turn the mike pre up too loud and it distorts, it still" "If you turn the mike pre up too loud and it distorts, it still sounds great." "Loud and it distorts, it still sounds great." "that'sanalog." "Sounds great." "that'sanalog." "It's how it sounds." "that'sanalog." "It's how it sounds." "[ pat benatar's "hit me with" "It's how it sounds." "[ pat benatar's "hit me with your best shot" plays ] especiallyneve's,youknow, I mean, everything is just better." "I mean, everything is just better." "The human voice sounds better." "Better." "The human voice sounds better." "When you got harmonies going" "The human voice sounds better." "When you got harmonies going together, the kind of meld" "When you got harmonies going together, the kind of meld together." "♪youcomeonwith a come-on ♪ ♪ you don't fight fair" "Come-on ♪ ♪ you don't fight fair theneveconsolereally" "♪ you don't fight fair theneveconsolereally embellishes things in the theneveconsolereally embellishes things in the context of rock 'n' roll." "Embellishes things in the context of rock 'n' roll." "It's good on drums." "Context of rock 'n' roll." "It's good on drums." "It's good on bass." "It's good on drums." "It's good on bass." "It's good on guitars." "It's good on bass." "It's good on guitars." "it'sthefacilitator." "It's good on guitars." "it'sthefacilitator." "it'sa prettybadassconsole." "it'sthefacilitator." "it'sa prettybadassconsole." "♪hitme withyourbest  it'sa prettybadassconsole." "♪hitme withyourbest  shot ♪" "♪hitme withyourbest  shot ♪ it'sunlikeanyotherneve" "Shot ♪ it'sunlikeanyotherneve  console that I have ever worked it'sunlikeanyotherneve  console that I have ever worked on, and I've been lucky enough" "Console that I have ever worked on, and I've been lucky enough to work on a ton of them now." "On, and I've been lucky enough to work on a ton of them now." "itwouldalwaysbethe" "To work on a ton of them now." "itwouldalwaysbethe greatest-sounding desk I've ever itwouldalwaysbethe greatest-sounding desk I've ever tracked on." "Greatest-sounding desk I've ever tracked on." "[ guitar solo plays ] thereisalargenumberof modules about which look the same, but which are marginally" "Modules about which look the same, but which are marginally different." "The circuit was a microphone amplifier circuit." "Amplifier circuit." "Cross-talk between circuits and" "Cross-talk between circuits and between buses was absolutely" "Between buses was absolutely paramount." "The way that transformer behaves with dc flowing in it can vary according to the material of the" "With dc flowing in it can vary according to the material of the core and the gapping of the" "According to the material of the core and the gapping of the core." "Core and the gapping of the core." "If those things are properly" "Core." "If those things are properly controlled, you get a very sweet" "If those things are properly controlled, you get a very sweet sound." "Controlled, you get a very sweet sound." "[ "hit me with your best shot"" "Sound." "[ "hit me with your best shot" fades ]" "[ "hit me with your best shot" fades ] rupertneveis afucking" "Fades ] rupertneveis afucking genius." "atthetime,thatneve  console cost $76,000." "To give you an example, I'd just" "Console cost $76,000." "To give you an example, I'd just bought a house in toluca lake," "To give you an example, I'd just bought a house in toluca lake, and I paid $38,000 for the" "Bought a house in toluca lake, and I paid $38,000 for the house." "And I paid $38,000 for the house." "[ laughs ]" "House." "[ laughs ] my wife would've killed me if [ laughs ] my wife would've killed me if she'd known I was doing that." "My wife would've killed me if she'd known I was doing that." "I thought, "if this place ever" "She'd known I was doing that." "I thought, "if this place ever goes under, that's the thing" "I thought, "if this place ever goes under, that's the thing that will pay all the debts."" "Goes under, that's the thing that will pay all the debts." thefirsttrackwecuton" "That will pay all the debts." thefirsttrackwecuton this was "crying in the night"" "thefirsttrackwecuton this was "crying in the night" with buckingham nicks." "This was "crying in the night" with buckingham nicks." "Very first thing done on that" "With buckingham nicks." "Very first thing done on that was that session." "Very first thing done on that was that session." "That's how it started." "Was that session." "That's how it started." "♪shewasthatkind oflady" "That's how it started." "♪shewasthatkind oflady ♪ times were hard, whoa" "♪shewasthatkind oflady ♪ times were hard, whoa wesignedthemtoa" "♪ times were hard, whoa wesignedthemtoa  production deal." "wesignedthemtoa  production deal." "They write their own songs." "Production deal." "They write their own songs." "So all we'd provide would be the" "They write their own songs." "So all we'd provide would be the studio, the engineer, and the" "So all we'd provide would be the studio, the engineer, and the tape." "tomskeeterandjoe gottfried were almost like parental figures to us." "Were almost like parental figures to us." "But keith's the one who got us" "Figures to us." "But keith's the one who got us out to sound city." "But keith's the one who got us out to sound city." "♪cryingin thenight" "Out to sound city." "♪cryingin thenight ♪ she's back in town" "♪cryingin thenight ♪ she's back in town when we first moved to l.A., we" "♪ she's back in town when we first moved to l.A., we didn't have a place." "When we first moved to l.A., we didn't have a place." "We stayed at keith's house." "Didn't have a place." "We stayed at keith's house." "they'restarvingandthey're" "We stayed at keith's house." "they'restarvingandthey're broke." "they'restarvingandthey're broke." "Lindsey was painting, and stevie" "Broke." "Lindsey was painting, and stevie was cleaning keith olsen's" "Lindsey was painting, and stevie was cleaning keith olsen's house." "Was cleaning keith olsen's house." "I'dwalkthroughwithmy" "House." "I'dwalkthroughwithmy broom, and, you know, keith" "I'dwalkthroughwithmy broom, and, you know, keith would go, like, "that's the" "Broom, and, you know, keith would go, like, "that's the maid."" "Would go, like, "that's the maid." and I'd be like..." "Maid." and I'd be like..." ""I'm not gonna be the maid for" "And I'd be like..." ""I'm not gonna be the maid for long, just so you know." ""I'm not gonna be the maid for long, just so you know." "Just so y'all know."" "Long, just so you know." "Just so y'all know." ♪ but she'll leave you" "Just so y'all know." ♪ but she'll leave you ♪ cryin' in the night" "♪ but she'll leave you ♪ cryin' in the night ♪shewillleaveyou" "♪ cryin' in the night ♪shewillleaveyou ♪ cryin' in the night, whoa itwasobviousthatlindsey and stevie were really special." "buckinghamnickscameout in" "And stevie were really special." "buckinghamnickscameout in '73 to great critical acclaim buckinghamnickscameout in '73 to great critical acclaim and then got dropped by polydor." "'73 to great critical acclaim and then got dropped by polydor." "therecordlabeldropped" "And then got dropped by polydor." "therecordlabeldropped them, so they didn't have a therecordlabeldropped them, so they didn't have a record deal." "Them, so they didn't have a record deal." "So they were just hanging around" "Record deal." "So they were just hanging around here." "So they were just hanging around here." "♪she'sacome-onlady" "Here." "♪she'sacome-onlady  itwaslikeour home." "♪she'sacome-onlady  itwaslikeour home." "It was like our home away from itwaslikeour home." "It was like our home away from home." "It was like our home away from home." "[ bird chirps ]" "Home." "[ bird chirps ] Iwaslivingin [ bird chirps ] Iwaslivingin laurel canyon, and I went to the" "Iwaslivingin laurel canyon, and I went to the country store, which is exactly" "Laurel canyon, and I went to the country store, which is exactly the same now." "Country store, which is exactly the same now." "And someone I vaguely knew was" "The same now." "And someone I vaguely knew was there." "And someone I vaguely knew was there." "He said, "well, what are you up" "There." "He said, "well, what are you up to?"" "I said, "well, I'm actually in town to find a studio and cost it out and see if we can afford" "Town to find a studio and cost it out and see if we can afford it."" "It out and see if we can afford it." and he goes, "I'm just the guy."" "It." and he goes, "I'm just the guy." [ chuckles ] thisrock'n 'rollguy came to us one day, and he said, "you know, I hang out with all these" "To us one day, and he said, "you know, I hang out with all these rock bands, and I go to the" "Know, I hang out with all these rock bands, and I go to the clubs and all that." "Rock bands, and I go to the clubs and all that." "If I can bring a band in here," "Clubs and all that." "If I can bring a band in here, will you give me 10%?"" "If I can bring a band in here, will you give me 10%?" we said, "all day long." "Will you give me 10%?" we said, "all day long." "Bring them in."" "We said, "all day long." "Bring them in." mickfleetwoodcameintosee" "Bring them in." mickfleetwoodcameintosee the studio." "mickfleetwoodcameintosee the studio." "Iplayedhimacoupleof" "The studio." "Iplayedhimacoupleof tracks from stevie and lindsey." "Iplayedhimacoupleof tracks from stevie and lindsey." "[ guitar solo plays ]" "Tracks from stevie and lindsey." "[ guitar solo plays ] stevieandIwerein [ guitar solo plays ] stevieandIwerein studio "b," in the back." "stevieandIwerein studio "b," in the back." "And I took a break, and I" "Studio "b," in the back." "And I took a break, and I wandered out." "And I took a break, and I wandered out." "And I hear our song," "Wandered out." "And I hear our song, "frozen love," coming out of" "And I hear our song, "frozen love," coming out of studio "a."" "I open the door, and here's this 6'6" guy just -- just grooving on the solo." "And I'm going, "who is that?" [ "frozen love" guitar solo plays ]" "[ "frozen love" guitar solo plays ] Imetlindseyliterallyin" "Plays ] Imetlindseyliterallyin passing." "Imetlindseyliterallyin passing." "And I went off, not even" "Passing." "And I went off, not even thinking anything other than," "And I went off, not even thinking anything other than, "I've heard some good music that" "Thinking anything other than, "I've heard some good music that was made in the studio that I'm" ""I've heard some good music that was made in the studio that I'm gonna use."" "Was made in the studio that I'm gonna use." wemadeadealtodo" "Gonna use." wemadeadealtodo  fleetwood mac's next album at wemadeadealtodo  fleetwood mac's next album at sound city." "Fleetwood mac's next album at sound city." "Joe was thrilled -- "god, we're" "Sound city." "Joe was thrilled -- "god, we're gonna make our payments!"" "Joe was thrilled -- "god, we're gonna make our payments!" everything was good." "Gonna make our payments!" everything was good." "fleetwoodmachadhad afew" "Everything was good." "fleetwoodmachadhad afew albums with peter green in fleetwoodmachadhad afew albums with peter green in England that had been" "Albums with peter green in England that had been successful." "England that had been successful." "Then after peter left," "Successful." "Then after peter left, bob welch, who then joined the" "Then after peter left, bob welch, who then joined the band, was more of a jazz" "Bob welch, who then joined the band, was more of a jazz guitarist." "Band, was more of a jazz guitarist." "mickcalledme ." "Guitarist." "mickcalledme ." ""bob welch just left the band."" "mickcalledme ." ""bob welch just left the band." Iphonedkeitholsen." ""bob welch just left the band." Iphonedkeitholsen." "I said, "you know the tape that" "Iphonedkeitholsen." "I said, "you know the tape that you played?" "I said, "you know the tape that you played?" "Tell me, we're looking for a" "You played?" "Tell me, we're looking for a guitar player."" "Tell me, we're looking for a guitar player." andkeith'slike,"well," "Guitar player." andkeith'slike,"well, there is a problem there, andkeith'slike,"well, there is a problem there, because you will never get him" "There is a problem there, because you will never get him without taking her."" "Because you will never get him without taking her." he'sgonnahavetotake my" "Without taking her." he'sgonnahavetotake my girlfriend, too." "he'sgonnahavetotake my girlfriend, too." "[ laughs ]" "Girlfriend, too." "[ laughs ] and that was the beginning of [ laughs ] and that was the beginning of it." "wejoinedthebandthefirst  day of 1975." "And then we go straight to" "Day of 1975." "And then we go straight to sound city." "And then we go straight to sound city." "thefirstdaysinthestudio" "Sound city." "thefirstdaysinthestudio were just amazing." "thefirstdaysinthestudio were just amazing." "[ "rhiannon" plays ]" "Were just amazing." "[ "rhiannon" plays ] reallyexciting,completely" "[ "rhiannon" plays ] reallyexciting,completely fresh, because christine, reallyexciting,completely fresh, because christine, john mcvie, and myself came from" "Fresh, because christine, john mcvie, and myself came from a whole different sensibility" "John mcvie, and myself came from a whole different sensibility musically, really." "♪rhiannonringslikeabell through the night ♪ ♪ and wouldn't you love to love" "Through the night ♪ ♪ and wouldn't you love to love her ♪ johnmcviesaidtome," you  know, we're a blues band." "This is really far away from the" "Know, we're a blues band." "This is really far away from the blues."" "This is really far away from the blues." and I said, "I know, but it's a" "Blues." and I said, "I know, but it's a lot closer to the bank."" "And I said, "I know, but it's a lot closer to the bank." ♪allyourlifeyou'venever" "Lot closer to the bank." ♪allyourlifeyou'venever  seen a woman taken by the wind ♪" "♪allyourlifeyou'venever  seen a woman taken by the wind ♪ itbecameprettyclearright" "Seen a woman taken by the wind ♪ itbecameprettyclearright away how this all fit together." "itbecameprettyclearright away how this all fit together." "And that isn't just musically." "Away how this all fit together." "And that isn't just musically." "It's just as people." "And that isn't just musically." "It's just as people." "somethingistranslated,and" "It's just as people." "somethingistranslated,and  it is real and it is profound." "somethingistranslated,and  it is real and it is profound." "Just, in truth, out of" "It is real and it is profound." "Just, in truth, out of necessity." "Just, in truth, out of necessity." "It's powerful." "Necessity." "It's powerful." "it'sliketruelove." "It's powerful." "it'sliketruelove." "absolutely." "it'sliketruelove." "absolutely." "But what if that neve board absolutely." "But what if that neve board hadn't have been there?" "But what if that neve board hadn't have been there?" "themainreasonitwas" "Hadn't have been there?" "themainreasonitwas important was so that we got a themainreasonitwas important was so that we got a fantastic drum track." "Important was so that we got a fantastic drum track." "[laughs]" "Fantastic drum track." "[laughs] it's the drum sound." "[laughs] it's the drum sound." "Let's start there, 'cause it's" "It's the drum sound." "Let's start there, 'cause it's something we all love." "thedrumsandthe feelofa song are like the heartbeat of the song." "Song are like the heartbeat of the song." "It can be the backbone of the" "The song." "It can be the backbone of the song." "It can be the backbone of the song." "It can be the foundation of the" "Song." "It can be the foundation of the song." "It can be the foundation of the song." "[ drum solo plays ]" "Song." "[ drum solo plays ] so that's the first thing you [ drum solo plays ] so that's the first thing you do." "So that's the first thing you do." "You set up your kit, and you" "Do." "You set up your kit, and you start putting up your" "You set up your kit, and you start putting up your microphones." "Start putting up your microphones." "A room like this has a really" "Microphones." "A room like this has a really nice decay." "A room like this has a really nice decay." "So, you put mikes around the" "Nice decay." "So, you put mikes around the room to capture that." "So, you put mikes around the room to capture that." "You put close mikes on the" "Room to capture that." "You put close mikes on the drums." "youhaveallofthose individual mikes spread over a number of tracks -- 16 tracks or" "Individual mikes spread over a number of tracks -- 16 tracks or 12 tracks." "sothenyoucan bringthe faders up or down and balance those tracks." "Faders up or down and balance those tracks." "[ drums deaden ]" "Those tracks." "[ drums deaden ] [ cymbals intensify ] [ drums deaden ] [ cymbals intensify ] onceyougetagood drum  [ cymbals intensify ] onceyougetagood drum  take, then it's like, "oh, okay," "onceyougetagood drum  take, then it's like, "oh, okay, great." "Take, then it's like, "oh, okay, great." "Now we got the beginning of a" "Great." "Now we got the beginning of a song." "Now we got the beginning of a song." "Now we can actually start" "Song." "Now we can actually start putting more shit on it."" "Now we can actually start putting more shit on it." ♪withthelightsout, it's" "Putting more shit on it." ♪withthelightsout, it's  less dangerous ♪" "♪withthelightsout, it's  less dangerous ♪ ♪ here we are now, entertain" "Less dangerous ♪ ♪ here we are now, entertain us ♪" "♪ here we are now, entertain us ♪ ♪ I feel stupid" "Us ♪ ♪ I feel stupid thewayto pickstudiosis" "♪ I feel stupid thewayto pickstudiosis through blind-testing drums, thewayto pickstudiosis through blind-testing drums, because you can record the" "Through blind-testing drums, because you can record the guitars pretty much anywhere," "Because you can record the guitars pretty much anywhere, and they could sound pretty much" "Guitars pretty much anywhere, and they could sound pretty much like your guitars." "And they could sound pretty much like your guitars." "But drums really change from" "Like your guitars." "But drums really change from room to room." "But drums really change from room to room." "thatroomshouldn't,on" "Room to room." "thatroomshouldn't,on paper, be a great drum room, thatroomshouldn't,on paper, be a great drum room, because it's like a big old" "Paper, be a great drum room, because it's like a big old square room." "Because it's like a big old square room." "soundcitywasavoxfactory" "Square room." "soundcitywasavoxfactory in the '60s, I guess." "soundcitywasavoxfactory in the '60s, I guess." "theybuiltvoxampsthere," "In the '60s, I guess." "theybuiltvoxampsthere, and then they built the theybuiltvoxampsthere, and then they built the "a" control room in '64." "And then they built the "a" control room in '64." "it'soneof thosespacesthat" ""a" control room in '64." "it'soneof thosespacesthat  just randomly, haphazardly it'soneof thosespacesthat  just randomly, haphazardly turned out to be fantastic to" "Just randomly, haphazardly turned out to be fantastic to record a drum set in." "Turned out to be fantastic to record a drum set in." "thatroomis thespace." "Record a drum set in." "thatroomis thespace." "It's, like, what happens between thatroomis thespace." "It's, like, what happens between the notes, what you're playing." "It's, like, what happens between the notes, what you're playing." "There's a sound that's pretty" "The notes, what you're playing." "There's a sound that's pretty magical." "There's a sound that's pretty magical." "everyroomhastheirsweet" "Magical." "everyroomhastheirsweet spot for that sound, you know?" "everyroomhastheirsweet spot for that sound, you know?" "This, I think, has always been" "Spot for that sound, you know?" "This, I think, has always been sound city's real sweet spot." "This, I think, has always been sound city's real sweet spot." "andthefreakythingis," "Sound city's real sweet spot." "andthefreakythingis, no one designed it." "andthefreakythingis, no one designed it." "A lot of people claim they did." "No one designed it." "A lot of people claim they did." "But no." "A lot of people claim they did." "But no." "it'sjustluck." "But no." "it'sjustluck." "luckandmagic." "it'sjustluck." "luckandmagic." "Not meant to be." "luckandmagic." "Not meant to be." "And you can't control those" "Not meant to be." "And you can't control those things." "And you can't control those things." "selfishly,thedrumsoundwas" "Things." "selfishly,thedrumsoundwas probably why we went there." "selfishly,thedrumsoundwas probably why we went there." "I confess." "Probably why we went there." "I confess." "[laughs]" "I confess." "[laughs] ♪' causewhenthelovin' [laughs] ♪' causewhenthelovin' starts and the lights go down ♪" "♪' causewhenthelovin' starts and the lights go down ♪ ♪ there's not another living" "Starts and the lights go down ♪ ♪ there's not another living soul around ♪" "♪ there's not another living soul around ♪ noneofit is planned." "Soul around ♪ noneofit is planned." "Sound city was welcoming, and we noneofit is planned." "Sound city was welcoming, and we knew that we had a home there." "Sound city was welcoming, and we knew that we had a home there." "It's a church." "Knew that we had a home there." "It's a church." "By the luck of whatever, I have" "It's a church." "By the luck of whatever, I have the ability to open that door." "By the luck of whatever, I have the ability to open that door." "♪saythatyou loveme" "The ability to open that door." "♪saythatyou loveme fromthatfleetwoodmac" "♪saythatyou loveme fromthatfleetwoodmac  album, then we'd get santana and fromthatfleetwoodmac  album, then we'd get santana and grateful dead." "Once you have big hits like that, that was huge." "That, that was huge." "♪dancin'in thestreets" "♪dancin'in thestreets ♪ dancin', dancin', dancin'" "♪ dancin', dancin', dancin' [ foreigner plays ] [ cheap trick plays ] [ r.E.O. Speedwagon plays ] [ tom petty's "don't do me like that" plays ] thefirstrealheartbreakers jam to just feel each other out was at sound city." "Jam to just feel each other out was at sound city." "thestudiowasfine,butwe" "Was at sound city." "thestudiowasfine,butwe just didn't have our shit thestudiowasfine,butwe just didn't have our shit together." "Just didn't have our shit together." "We weren't ready." "Together." "We weren't ready." "We didn't have the songs." "We weren't ready." "We didn't have the songs." "We didn't know how to play" "We didn't have the songs." "We didn't know how to play that well." "We didn't know how to play that well." "thisishowyou makea" "That well." "thisishowyou makea record." "thisishowyou makea record." "itwascruel,'causeit" "Record." "itwascruel,'causeit sounded so real." "itwascruel,'causeit sounded so real." "And you'd go into the control" "Sounded so real." "And you'd go into the control room, and they'd crank up the" "And you'd go into the control room, and they'd crank up the speakers, and you go, "man, I" "Room, and they'd crank up the speakers, and you go, "man, I just " " I suck."" "Speakers, and you go, "man, I just " " I suck." Ithinkthevocalmike is" "Just " " I suck." Ithinkthevocalmike is just a little bit loud." "Ithinkthevocalmike is just a little bit loud." "thatno-frills,no effects," "Just a little bit loud." "thatno-frills,no effects, no place to hide -- everything thatno-frills,no effects, no place to hide -- everything coming out of an amp or" "No place to hide -- everything coming out of an amp or everything coming right out of a" "Coming out of an amp or everything coming right out of a speaker or right off a" "Everything coming right out of a speaker or right off a microphone -- that approach," "Speaker or right off a microphone -- that approach, that was sound city." "Microphone -- that approach, that was sound city." "byourthirdalbum,wewanted" "That was sound city." "byourthirdalbum,wewanted to get, you know, somebody that byourthirdalbum,wewanted to get, you know, somebody that could make a good-sounding" "To get, you know, somebody that could make a good-sounding record." "Could make a good-sounding record." "So we hired jimmy iovine." "Record." "So we hired jimmy iovine." "he'dbeenarecording" "So we hired jimmy iovine." "he'dbeenarecording engineer, and he'd worked with he'dbeenarecording engineer, and he'd worked with lennon and with springsteen." "Engineer, and he'd worked with lennon and with springsteen." "And they were recording live" "Lennon and with springsteen." "And they were recording live tracks." "They weren't overdubbing a ton of stuff." "You had to learn how to play," "Of stuff." "You had to learn how to play, and you'd go in and play it." "Ihiredjimmyasanengineer to do "damn the torpedoes" there, but he showed up with an" "To do "damn the torpedoes" there, but he showed up with an engineer without telling me." "There, but he showed up with an engineer without telling me." "[ laughs ]" "Engineer without telling me." "[ laughs ] he manipulated his way into [ laughs ] he manipulated his way into being the producer of the" "He manipulated his way into being the producer of the record, along with me." "jimmyisbrilliant." "I mean, he now owns the music business." "I mean, he now owns the music business." "whenweshowedupwith jimmy" "Business." "whenweshowedupwith jimmy at sound city, he was just whenweshowedupwith jimmy at sound city, he was just horrified." "At sound city, he was just horrified." "Just horrified, like, "what is" "Horrified." "Just horrified, like, "what is this place?"" "Just horrified, like, "what is this place?" and the first thing he said to" "This place?" and the first thing he said to me is, "I don't know that we can" "And the first thing he said to me is, "I don't know that we can make a record in here."" "Me is, "I don't know that we can make a record in here." somebodyshouldfirebombthis" "Make a record in here." somebodyshouldfirebombthis fucking place." "somebodyshouldfirebombthis fucking place." "Isaid,"yeah,Ithinkyou'll" "Fucking place." "Isaid,"yeah,Ithinkyou'll be surprised."" "Isaid,"yeah,Ithinkyou'll be surprised." [ tom petty's "refugee" plays ]" "Be surprised." [ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] wetrackedlive,and we [ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] wetrackedlive,and we didn't edit from take to take." "wetrackedlive,and we didn't edit from take to take." "So we had to get it right from" "Didn't edit from take to take." "So we had to get it right from top to bottom." "So we had to get it right from top to bottom." "whenyou'retrackinglive," "Top to bottom." "whenyou'retrackinglive, pressure's on the drummer whenyou'retrackinglive, pressure's on the drummer big-time." "Pressure's on the drummer big-time." "Until you get that, you've got" "Big-time." "Until you get that, you've got nothing." "Until you get that, you've got nothing." "IjustthoughtIshouldplay" "Nothing." "IjustthoughtIshouldplay straight." "IjustthoughtIshouldplay straight." "Throw it where the shaker's" "Straight." "Throw it where the shaker's trying to go." "whoa!" "itwasemotional." "But, at the same time, I mean, we all wanted to learn." "[ tom petty's "refugee" plays ]" "We all wanted to learn." "[ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] "refugee,"weplayedlike [ tom petty's "refugee" plays ] "refugee,"weplayedlike 150 damn times or something." ""refugee,"weplayedlike 150 damn times or something." "you'retryingto get 150 damn times or something." "you'retryingto get lightning in a bottle." "you'retryingto get lightning in a bottle." "thatwasgreat." "Lightning in a bottle." "thatwasgreat." "yeah,I 'mstillnot thatwasgreat." "yeah,I 'mstillnot comfortable for some reason." "yeah,I 'mstillnot comfortable for some reason." "I'm not quite on my thing here." "Comfortable for some reason." "I'm not quite on my thing here." "Ithinkwe shoulddoone" "I'm not quite on my thing here." "Ithinkwe shoulddoone more and listen." "Ithinkwe shoulddoone more and listen." "okay." "More and listen." "okay." "then,yougo backand play okay." "then,yougo backand play the damn song again." "then,yougo backand play the damn song again." "♪youdon'thavetolivelike" "The damn song again." "♪youdon'thavetolivelike a refugee ♪" "♪youdon'thavetolivelike a refugee ♪ ♪don'thavetolive like a" "A refugee ♪ ♪don'thavetolive like a refugee ♪" "♪don'thavetolive like a refugee ♪ itmightlookeasy,butif" "Refugee ♪ itmightlookeasy,butif you're trying to go for itmightlookeasy,butif you're trying to go for greatness -- and a lot of times" "You're trying to go for greatness -- and a lot of times you're gonna fall short, and you" "Greatness -- and a lot of times you're gonna fall short, and you got to live with that, that" "You're gonna fall short, and you got to live with that, that night -- it's brutal, you know," "Got to live with that, that night -- it's brutal, you know, on your soul." "Night -- it's brutal, you know, on your soul." "goddamnyou!" "On your soul." "goddamnyou!" "You're driving me crazy!" "goddamnyou!" "You're driving me crazy!" "You are gonna drive me fucking" "You're driving me crazy!" "You are gonna drive me fucking crazy!" "You are gonna drive me fucking crazy!" "♪ohhhh" "Crazy!" "♪ohhhh it'sa toughroom." "♪ohhhh it'sa toughroom." "youknow,musicreallyisn't it'sa toughroom." "youknow,musicreallyisn't supposed to be perfect." "youknow,musicreallyisn't supposed to be perfect." "It's all about people relating" "Supposed to be perfect." "It's all about people relating to each other and doing" "It's all about people relating to each other and doing something that's really from the" "To each other and doing something that's really from the soul." "Something that's really from the soul." "You know, it must come from the" "Soul." "You know, it must come from the soul." "You know, it must come from the soul." "♪oh!" "Oh !" "Oh !" "tomwasgreat." "You know, his whole approach -- low-key." "You know, his whole approach -- low-key." "He'd come in like it was his own" "Low-key." "He'd come in like it was his own garage studio." "paula- -shewaskindoflike the field general." "[ laughing ] you know?" "The field general." "[ laughing ] you know?" "She was in the front lines, you [ laughing ] you know?" "She was in the front lines, you know?" "She was in the front lines, you know?" "paula- -she'sgreat." "Know?" "paula- -she'sgreat." "She was just unflappable." "paula- -she'sgreat." "She was just unflappable." "You know, just nothing bothered" "She was just unflappable." "You know, just nothing bothered her." "You know, just nothing bothered her." "Paula, I think, took over from" "Her." "Paula, I think, took over from jemima when jemima left." "Paula, I think, took over from jemima when jemima left." "jemimaeddy,auntjemima,had" "Jemima when jemima left." "jemimaeddy,auntjemima,had this assistant who was a little jemimaeddy,auntjemima,had this assistant who was a little girl named barbie who ended up" "This assistant who was a little girl named barbie who ended up being rick springfield's wife." "Girl named barbie who ended up being rick springfield's wife." "sheactuallywasanswering" "Being rick springfield's wife." "sheactuallywasanswering phones when she was, you know, sheactuallywasanswering phones when she was, you know, 16, 17, getting hit on by all" "Phones when she was, you know, 16, 17, getting hit on by all the bands, of course." "16, 17, getting hit on by all the bands, of course." "andthen,afterjemima,there" "The bands, of course." "andthen,afterjemima,there was paula." "Itookonelookather,andI was totally in love." "She was smoking-hot and as sweet" "Was totally in love." "She was smoking-hot and as sweet as can be." "She was smoking-hot and as sweet as can be." "♪doyouknowwhereyour" "As can be." "♪doyouknowwhereyour woman is tonight?" "♪" "♪doyouknowwhereyour woman is tonight?" "♪ thinkaboutit ." "Woman is tonight?" "♪ thinkaboutit ." "paulasalvatore,italiano." "thinkaboutit ." "paulasalvatore,italiano." "Yeah, italiana, italiana." "paulasalvatore,italiano." "Yeah, italiana, italiana." "everymusicianthatwentin" "Yeah, italiana, italiana." "everymusicianthatwentin there thought that paula was in everymusicianthatwentin there thought that paula was in love with them." "There thought that paula was in love with them." "I think." "Love with them." "I think." "Or maybe it was just me." "I think." "Or maybe it was just me." "But I don't think so." "Or maybe it was just me." "But I don't think so." "doyourememberpaula?" "But I don't think so." "doyourememberpaula?" "yeah,I do,actually." "doyourememberpaula?" "yeah,I do,actually." "The girl that ran the studio?" "yeah,I do,actually." "The girl that ran the studio?" "Paula -- dark-haired girl?" "Curly?" "Iwas"paulaatsoundcity. " that was my last name for years." "Iwas"paulaatsoundcity. " that was my last name for years." "paulawas,like,aone-woman" "That was my last name for years." "paulawas,like,aone-woman audience, you know?" "paulawas,like,aone-woman audience, you know?" "♪doyouknowwhereyour" "Audience, you know?" "♪doyouknowwhereyour woman is tonight?" "♪" "♪doyouknowwhereyour woman is tonight?" "♪ wheneverwe'dgetamixor" "Woman is tonight?" "♪ wheneverwe'dgetamixor whenever there'd be a wheneverwe'dgetamixor whenever there'd be a performance that I was really" "Whenever there'd be a performance that I was really proud of, I'd always go and say," "Performance that I was really proud of, I'd always go and say, "paula, come on." "Proud of, I'd always go and say, "paula, come on." "Check this out." ""paula, come on." "Check this out." "Check out what we just did."" "Check this out." "Check out what we just did." paulawouldsay,"Ireally" "Check out what we just did." paulawouldsay,"Ireally like this one," you know?" "paulawouldsay,"Ireally like this one," you know?" "That could lift my whole day," "Like this one," you know?" "That could lift my whole day, because I knew she didn't have" "That could lift my whole day, because I knew she didn't have to say that and that she heard" "Because I knew she didn't have to say that and that she heard music all day long." "To say that and that she heard music all day long." "But it made me think, like," "Music all day long." "But it made me think, like, "well, wow." "But it made me think, like, "well, wow." "Maybe this one's good."" "paulasangon thefirst masters record, actually, yeah." "She and a friend did some backup" "Masters record, actually, yeah." "She and a friend did some backup vocals on it." "Vocals on it." "[ guitar riff plays ]" "A lot of girl backup singers ended up, like, working and" "Ended up, like, working and being secretaries in studios." "When you need a backup singer, just, you know, call the front desk, and there's one sitting" "Just, you know, call the front desk, and there's one sitting there." "Desk, and there's one sitting there." "thatwasmy dream,toplay" "There." "thatwasmy dream,toplay  music." "thatwasmy dream,toplay  music." "And I didn't get that." "Music." "And I didn't get that." "You know, and before I knew it," "And I didn't get that." "You know, and before I knew it, I was kind of in the thick of" "You know, and before I knew it, I was kind of in the thick of it." "I was kind of in the thick of it." "It's totally attitude." "It." "It's totally attitude." ""I want to do this." "It's totally attitude." ""I want to do this." "I'll do whatever it takes." ""I want to do this." "I'll do whatever it takes." "And I'm here."" "I'll do whatever it takes." "And I'm here." it'sa trainingground." "And I'm here." it'sa trainingground." "You know, six months driving a it'sa trainingground." "You know, six months driving a car, and then six months being" "You know, six months driving a car, and then six months being the night phone-answering guy." "Car, and then six months being the night phone-answering guy." "And when someone above you quit" "The night phone-answering guy." "And when someone above you quit or got promoted or moved on," "And when someone above you quit or got promoted or moved on, then everybody moved up a step." "Ihirednick'causehecould  make guac." "Very important, you know." "Make guac." "Very important, you know." "Idid." "Very important, you know." "Idid." "I made guacamole all the time." "As a runner, I would go in there, you know, and empty the ashtrays and dust the console" "There, you know, and empty the ashtrays and dust the console and vacuum." "Ashtrays and dust the console and vacuum." "And that's when I started to" "And vacuum." "And that's when I started to learn the board." "And that's when I started to learn the board." "wehadrunnersthatbecame" "Learn the board." "wehadrunnersthatbecame engineers." "wehadrunnersthatbecame engineers." "Then, they became producers." "Engineers." "Then, they became producers." "Lot of people that hung around" "Then, they became producers." "Lot of people that hung around here became really successful in" "Lot of people that hung around here became really successful in the record business." "Here became really successful in the record business." "youknow,recording--it's a" "The record business." "youknow,recording--it's a different art form." "youknow,recording--it's a different art form." "[ laughs ]" "[ "I don't care about you" plays ] ♪downon southstreet," "Plays ] ♪downon southstreet, philadelphia ♪ whenwecametosoundcity,  the producer, gary lublow, would say, "no, man, slow it down so" "The producer, gary lublow, would say, "no, man, slow it down so they can hear the fuckin' song."" "Say, "no, man, slow it down so they can hear the fuckin' song." we'd say, "this is punk rock!" "They can hear the fuckin' song." we'd say, "this is punk rock!" "We don't slow anything down!"" "We'd say, "this is punk rock!" "We don't slow anything down!" [ chuckling ] you know?" "♪ I don't care about you ♪ fuck you you'regetting50 seconds'" "♪ fuck you you'regetting50 seconds' worth of music with the same you'regetting50 seconds' worth of music with the same amount of fucking notes, 'cause" "Worth of music with the same amount of fucking notes, 'cause we play then faster." "Amount of fucking notes, 'cause we play then faster." "[ chuckles ]" "We play then faster." "[ chuckles ] ♪ I saw a man that was sleeping [ chuckles ] ♪ I saw a man that was sleeping in puke ♪" "♪ I saw a man that was sleeping in puke ♪ ♪ and a man with no legs" "In puke ♪ ♪ and a man with no legs falling' down fifth street ♪" "♪ and a man with no legs falling' down fifth street ♪ ♪ tryin' to get something to" "Fallin' down fifth street ♪ ♪ tryin' to get something to eat ♪" "♪ tryin' to get something to eat ♪ ♪ I don't care about you" "Eat ♪ ♪ I don't care about you ♪ oh, no oneofthegreatestpunk-rock albums -- they made the record at sound city." "Albums -- they made the record at sound city." "That sound comes out of his" "At sound city." "That sound comes out of his face, man." "That sound comes out of his face, man." "That's actually his voice." "Face, man." "That's actually his voice." "[wailing]" "That's actually his voice." "[wailing] ♪ I don't care about you [wailing] ♪ I don't care about you garylublowhadbeenthe" "♪ I don't care about you garylublowhadbeenthe producer on the garylublowhadbeenthe producer on the r.E.O. Speedwagon record." "Producer on the r.E.O. Speedwagon record." "But what he wound up being was" "R.E.O. Speedwagon record." "But what he wound up being was the engineer who fought with me" "But what he wound up being was the engineer who fought with me every day." "The engineer who fought with me every day." "[ laughs ]" "Every day." "[ laughs ] [ harmonica plays ]" "Ibecameaproducerby default, because nobody knew what a producer was." "theolddefinitionof "producer" was more watching the budget, scheduling musicians," ""producer" was more watching the budget, scheduling musicians, scheduling studio time." "Budget, scheduling musicians, scheduling studio time." "That's not what they did at" "Scheduling studio time." "That's not what they did at sound city." "That's not what they did at sound city." "aproducerworkswiththe" "Sound city." "aproducerworkswiththe songs." "aproducerworkswiththe songs." "♪youdon'tknowhowitfeels" "Songs." "♪youdon'tknowhowitfeels to be me ♪" "♪youdon'tknowhowitfeels to be me ♪ aproducersays,"hey,I" "To be me ♪ aproducersays,"hey,I think this could be better." "aproducersays,"hey,I think this could be better." "I think that could be better." "Think this could be better." "I think that could be better." "I think that's amazing." "I think that could be better." "I think that's amazing." "Why can't the rest of it be as" "I think that's amazing." "Why can't the rest of it be as great as that?"" "Why can't the rest of it be as great as that?" that'snoteasytodo." "Great as that?" that'snoteasytodo." "everythingI tryto do is  that'snoteasytodo." "everythingI tryto do is  from a fan's perspective." "everythingI tryto do is  from a fan's perspective." "I can listen and go, "hmm, this" "From a fan's perspective." "I can listen and go, "hmm, this part really speaks to me." "I can listen and go, "hmm, this part really speaks to me." "This part doesn't speak to me so" "Part really speaks to me." "This part doesn't speak to me so much."" "This part doesn't speak to me so much." it sounds like you're aiming a" "Much." it sounds like you're aiming a little lower today than you" "It sounds like you're aiming a little lower today than you should be." "Little lower today than you should be." "whatballsto tell,you know," "Should be." "whatballsto tell,you know, rock stars that they got whatballsto tell,you know, rock stars that they got nothing." "Rock stars that they got nothing." "♪butletmegettothe" "Nothing." "♪butletmegettothe  point ♪" "♪butletmegettothe  point ♪ ♪ let's roll another joint" "Point ♪ ♪ let's roll another joint Iliketo pushitduringthe" "♪ let's roll another joint Iliketo pushitduringthe songs, you know?" "Iliketo pushitduringthe songs, you know?" "Like, I'll hit the guitar and," "Like, I'll hit the guitar and, like, mess it up." "Like, mess it up." "I want it to be on fire." "workingwithrosswas intense as shit." "We did 12 songs the first night we were there." "We were there." "And the whole time, he is" "And the whole time, he is throwing potted plants at us." "Throwing potted plants at us." "Igrabbedoneofthecandles," "Igrabbedoneofthecandles, and I threw it against the wall" "And I threw it against the wall as hard as I can." "As hard as I can." "Wax went across his face, and" "Wax went across his face, and he's like, "aaaaah!"" "He's like, "aaaaah!" screaming into the floor." "Screaming into the floor." "It was so good." "It was so good." "♪youdon'tknowhowit" "♪youdon'tknowhowit feels ♪ thewayIlovetheterm" "Feels ♪ thewayIlovetheterm "producer" -- it's someone that thewayIlovetheterm "producer" -- it's someone that puts, you know, a cake dish over" ""producer" -- it's someone that puts, you know, a cake dish over the bat phone, you know?" "They protect you from the outside world, and they help you actualize the sounds in your" "Outside world, and they help you actualize the sounds in your head." "Actualize the sounds in your head." "producer'sjobis really" "Head." "producer'sjobis really easy." "producer'sjobis really easy." "He's the vehicle to get the" "Easy." "He's the vehicle to get the artists' creativity onto tape in" "He's the vehicle to get the artists' creativity onto tape in a way that is accessible to your" "Artists' creativity onto tape in a way that is accessible to your marketplace." "A way that is accessible to your marketplace." "♪tobe me" "Marketplace." "♪tobe me  whatyouhavetodois get" "♪tobe me  whatyouhavetodois get the listener to claim what whatyouhavetodois get the listener to claim what you've done as theirs." "The listener to claim what you've done as theirs." "[ camera shutter clicking ] agirlfriend-- an  ex-girlfriend -- it's always an ex-girlfriend -- hooked me up" "Ex-girlfriend -- it's always an ex-girlfriend -- hooked me up with this guy that knew joe at" "Ex-girlfriend -- hooked me up with this guy that knew joe at sound city." "With this guy that knew joe at sound city." "And he said, "joe's looking for" "Sound city." "And he said, "joe's looking for artists to sign."" "And he said, "joe's looking for artists to sign." Ithinkwe signedhim ,like," "Artists to sign." Ithinkwe signedhim ,like, in the middle '70s." "Ithinkwe signedhim ,like, in the middle '70s." "joe'sofficewasunderthe" "In the middle '70s." "joe'sofficewasunderthe car ramp that took the cars up joe'sofficewasunderthe car ramp that took the cars up to the parking lot on the roof." "Car ramp that took the cars up to the parking lot on the roof." "[ chuckling ] I actually thought" "To the parking lot on the roof." "[ chuckling ] I actually thought about not signing because of [ chuckling ] I actually thought about not signing because of that." "♪loveis allrighttonight hewasturneddownbyrcafor about five years." "Igotintothe studiowhen" "About five years." "Igotintothe studiowhen  the paying clients had bailed." "Igotintothe studiowhen  the paying clients had bailed." "You know, "tom petty just" "The paying clients had bailed." "You know, "tom petty just canceled." "You know, "tom petty just canceled." "We got studio 'a' for four" "Canceled." "We got studio 'a' for four hours."" "We got studio 'a' for four hours." joetookrickspringfield" "Hours." joetookrickspringfield under his wing, and he kind of joetookrickspringfield under his wing, and he kind of developed him." "Under his wing, and he kind of developed him." "gothimactinglessons." "Developed him." "gothimactinglessons." "Got him an apartment." "gothimactinglessons." "Got him an apartment." "Got him some little car." "Got him an apartment." "Got him some little car." "Got him the "general hospital"" "Got him some little car." "Got him the "general hospital" thing that started his career." "here'sbobbie,oneofour best nurses." "Bobbie spencer, this is" "Best nurses." "Bobbie spencer, this is noah drake." "Bobbie spencer, this is noah drake." "howareyou?" "Noah drake." "howareyou?" "I'mveryhappytoseeyou howareyou?" "I'mveryhappytoseeyou again." "The first steady money I'd actually seen in my life was 500 bucks a week." "Actually seen in my life was 500 bucks a week." "That was the first regular money 500 bucks a week." "That was the first regular money I'd ever had." "That was the first regular money I'd ever had." "joecameto me andaskedme" "I'd ever had." "joecameto me andaskedme to do these couple of songs." "joecameto me andaskedme to do these couple of songs." "[ rick springfield's" "To do these couple of songs." "[ rick springfield's "jessie's girl" plays ] [ rick springfield's "jessie's girl" plays ] keitholsenpicked" ""jessie's girl" plays ] keitholsenpicked "jessie's girl" out of the demos keitholsenpicked "jessie's girl" out of the demos they gave him." ""jessie's girl" out of the demos they gave him." "I didn't get why he picked it." "They gave him." "I didn't get why he picked it." "I thought there were stronger" "I didn't get why he picked it." "I thought there were stronger songs." "I thought there were stronger songs." "rickdidn'tthinkIknew what" "Songs." "rickdidn'tthinkIknew what  I was talking about." "rickdidn'tthinkIknew what  I was talking about." "♪well,jessieisa friend" "I was talking about." "♪well,jessieisa friend ♪ and, oh, he's been a good" "♪well,jessieisa friend ♪ and, oh, he's been a good friend of mine ♪" "♪ and, oh, he's been a good friend of mine ♪ keithdidn'tlikemyguitar" "Friend of mine ♪ keithdidn'tlikemyguitar playing, so he had neil geraldo keithdidn'tlikemyguitar playing, so he had neil geraldo play guitar on "jessie's girl"" "Playing, so he had neil geraldo play guitar on "jessie's girl" and bass." "Play guitar on "jessie's girl" and bass." "beinga recordproducer," "And bass." "beinga recordproducer, there's a time when you have to beinga recordproducer, there's a time when you have to say, "it would really be good" "There's a time when you have to say, "it would really be good for your career if you let this" "Say, "it would really be good for your career if you let this go that way."" "For your career if you let this go that way." keithneverlikedmyguitar" "Go that way." keithneverlikedmyguitar playing." "keithneverlikedmyguitar playing." "He's a prick. [ laughs ]" "Playing." "He's a prick. [ laughs ] patriciahadjustfinished" "He's a prick. [ laughs ] patriciahadjustfinished the "crimes of passion" record patriciahadjustfinished the "crimes of passion" record at sound city." "Then I just met him one day, and that was -- we just did it." "I mean, I probably knew him for" "And that was -- we just did it." "I mean, I probably knew him for 15 minutes before we did the" "I mean, I probably knew him for 15 minutes before we did the song." "hehadthispit terrier,so he would bring the dog into the studio, and he goes, watch this." "He would bring the dog into the studio, and he goes, watch this." "And he'll throw it a basketball." "Studio, and he goes, watch this." "And he'll throw it a basketball." "And it would take the basketball" "And he'll throw it a basketball." "And it would take the basketball and go pghh!" "And it would take the basketball and go pghh!" "And, you know, puncture it with" "And go pghh!" "And, you know, puncture it with his teeth." "And, you know, puncture it with his teeth." "withmydog,ron ,the sound" "His teeth." "withmydog,ron ,the sound guys would get this laser light withmydog,ron ,the sound guys would get this laser light and run it up and down the walls" "Guys would get this laser light and run it up and down the walls of studio "b."" "And run it up and down the walls of studio "b." and he'd take chunks out of the" "Of studio "b." and he'd take chunks out of the wall, and put holes in all the" "And he'd take chunks out of the wall, and put holes in all the walls." "Wall, and put holes in all the walls." "so,wegetreadytodo the" "Walls." "so,wegetreadytodo the take." "so,wegetreadytodo the take." "All of a sudden, the dog comes" "Take." "All of a sudden, the dog comes into the studio, sits down, puts" "All of a sudden, the dog comes into the studio, sits down, puts his nose right in my crotch." "Into the studio, sits down, puts his nose right in my crotch." "It's like, if I screw up, he's" "His nose right in my crotch." "It's like, if I screw up, he's gonna bite me." "It's like, if I screw up, he's gonna bite me." "What the hell is going on here?" "Gonna bite me." "What the hell is going on here?" "♪andshe'swatchinghimwith" "What the hell is going on here?" "♪andshe'swatchinghimwith those eyes ♪" "♪andshe'swatchinghimwith those eyes ♪ Imadeit throughthe take." "Those eyes ♪ Imadeit throughthe take." "Might have even been the one we" "Imadeit throughthe take." "Might have even been the one we used." "Might have even been the one we used." "It was pretty funny." "Used." "It was pretty funny." "Never moved." "It was pretty funny." "Never moved." "He sat right there." "Never moved." "He sat right there." "It was fantastic." "He sat right there." "It was fantastic." "♪youknow,Iwish that Ihad" "It was fantastic." "♪youknow,Iwish that Ihad  jessie's girl ♪" "♪youknow,Iwish that Ihad  jessie's girl ♪ ♪ I wish that I had jessie's" "Jessie's girl ♪ ♪ I wish that I had jessie's girl ♪" "♪ I wish that I had jessie's girl ♪ wesignedalot ofacts ." "Girl ♪ wesignedalot ofacts ." "Every one you signed, you wesignedalot ofacts ." "Every one you signed, you thought, "this is gonna be the" "Every one you signed, you thought, "this is gonna be the big one."" "Thought, "this is gonna be the big one." you know, "this is gonna be it."" "Big one." you know, "this is gonna be it." Iwastheonlyonethat" "You know, "this is gonna be it." Iwastheonlyonethat really finally paid off for him," "Iwastheonlyonethat really finally paid off for him, you know?" "nominatedforbestmalerock  vocal performance, singing about jessie's girl, is" "Vocal performance, singing about jessie's girl, is mr." "Rick springfield!" "Jessie's girl, is mr." "Rick springfield!" "[ cheers and applause ] thefirstcheckwegotfrom rca was over a million dollars." "[ laughs ]" "Rca was over a million dollars." "[ laughs ] it'smind-blowing." "[ laughs ] it'smind-blowing." "I think joe had pretty good it'smind-blowing." "I think joe had pretty good karma, and this magic studio" "I think joe had pretty good karma, and this magic studio sprung up out of this ass-ugly" "Karma, and this magic studio sprung up out of this ass-ugly complex in van nuys." "Sprung up out of this ass-ugly complex in van nuys." "And all these people just" "Complex in van nuys." "And all these people just started coming." "And all these people just started coming." "It was amazing." "allduringthe'80s,wewere booked solid." "You listen to one of these" "Booked solid." "You listen to one of these stations where they played" "You listen to one of these stations where they played rock 'n' roll, 7 or 8 out of the" "Stations where they played rock 'n' roll, 7 or 8 out of the 10 songs were recorded at" "Rock 'n' roll, 7 or 8 out of the 10 songs were recorded at sound city." "10 songs were recorded at sound city." "describehollywoodin the" "Sound city." "describehollywoodin the '80s." "hollywoodinthe'80s" "I don't remember." "[ laughs ] itwasall,like,youknow,  the hair bands." "It was all the makeup, all the" "The hair bands." "It was all the makeup, all the pretty boys, you know." "It was all the makeup, all the pretty boys, you know." "♪' causeI 'ma wantedman" "Iwaswonderingwho everused  the board after us if they had a burning sensation the next" "The board after us if they had a burning sensation the next morning." "Burning sensation the next morning." "Then they'd know we were there." "Morning." "Then they'd know we were there." "[ laughs ]" "Then they'd know we were there." "[ laughs ] ♪somekind,somekind  [ laughs ] ♪somekind,somekind  of friend you turned out to be ♪" "♪somekind,somekind  of friend you turned out to be ♪ I only did one record at" "Of friend you turned out to be ♪ I only did one record at sound city." "I only did one record at sound city." "It was more family than any" "Sound city." "It was more family than any studio I've ever been to." "It was more family than any studio I've ever been to." "youknow,"family"mightbea" "Studio I've ever been to." "youknow,"family"mightbea bit heavy, but it was a warm youknow,"family"mightbea bit heavy, but it was a warm feeling between us and the" "Bit heavy, but it was a warm feeling between us and the people that worked there." "Feeling between us and the people that worked there." "dio," holydiver."" "People that worked there." "dio," holydiver." yeah,youknowthatrecord." "dio," holydiver." yeah,youknowthatrecord." "[ dio's "stand up and shout"" "yeah,youknowthatrecord." "[ dio's "stand up and shout" plays ] [ dio's "stand up and shout" plays ] ♪standup andshout" "♪ let it out ♪ stand up and shout paulawasitalian.[laughs]" "♪ stand up and shout paulawasitalian.[laughs] that's an in." "paulawasitalian.[laughs] that's an in." "Ronnie and I are italian, so we" "That's an in." "Ronnie and I are italian, so we got on with her great, and they" "Ronnie and I are italian, so we got on with her great, and they just let us do whatever we" "Got on with her great, and they just let us do whatever we wanted." "Just let us do whatever we wanted." "It was so cool." "Wanted." "It was so cool." "We were having such a good time" "We were having such a good time at sound city, almost like it" "At sound city, almost like it was a hang, and we just had to" "Was a hang, and we just had to play." "Play." "[ rick springfield's "I get excited" plays ] [ rick springfield's "I get excited" plays ] Ithinkit wasaluckything ," ""I get excited" plays ] Ithinkit wasaluckything , I think, for all of us." "Ithinkit wasaluckything , I think, for all of us." "I met barbara there " " I met her" "I think, for all of us." "I met barbara there " " I met her for the first time in front of" "I met barbara there " " I met her for the first time in front of that board." "For the first time in front of that board." "♪ baby's got the cold feet" "That board." "♪ baby's got the cold feet ♪ oh, baby, stay" "♪ baby's got the cold feet ♪ oh, baby, stay ♪ we got all night" "♪ oh, baby, stay ♪ we got all night I have a lot of stuff that" "♪ we got all night I have a lot of stuff that formed me in that place, in" "I have a lot of stuff that formed me in that place, in sound city." "Formed me in that place, in sound city." "youknow,you'reinyour 20s" "Sound city." "youknow,you'reinyour 20s and you don't realize that this youknow,you'reinyour 20s and you don't realize that this might not last forever." "And you don't realize that this might not last forever." "♪..." "Onmy kneestonight" "Might not last forever." "♪..." "Onmy kneestonight ♪ tonight" "♪..." "Onmy kneestonight ♪ tonight youdon'tknowwhat'scoming" "♪ tonight youdon'tknowwhat'scoming after." "youdon'tknowwhat'scoming after." "consideringitsqualityand" "After." "consideringitsqualityand  size, the compact disc most consideringitsqualityand  size, the compact disc most certainly will become a part of" "Size, the compact disc most certainly will become a part of our lives in the future." "Certainly will become a part of our lives in the future." "it'sallbasedonsomething" "Our lives in the future." "it'sallbasedonsomething called "digital sound," an it'sallbasedonsomething called "digital sound," an innovative technique that uses" "Called "digital sound," an innovative technique that uses lasers." "we'vebeensoldabill of goods about digital being so great." "Goods about digital being so great." ""you can duplicate it forever," "So great." ""you can duplicate it forever, and you never lose anything."" "theindustryis behindit unanimously." "11 companies, from mitsubishi" "Unanimously." "11 companies, from mitsubishi to sony, have all agreed on 11 companies, from mitsubishi to sony, have all agreed on using the same compact disc and" "To sony, have all agreed on using the same compact disc and the same equipment." "Using the same compact disc and the same equipment." "everybodythoughtthatwas" "The same equipment." "everybodythoughtthatwas  great." "everybodythoughtthatwas  great." "But the thing that was wrong was" "Great." "But the thing that was wrong was they'd already lost everything" "But the thing that was wrong was they'd already lost everything when they did that." "They'd already lost everything when they did that." "itplays,theoretically," "When they did that." "itplays,theoretically, pure, perfect sound forever." "itplays,theoretically, pure, perfect sound forever." "inthebeginning,whenthey" "Pure, perfect sound forever." "inthebeginning,whenthey  created the algorithms that inthebeginning,whenthey  created the algorithms that decide how music is recorded" "Created the algorithms that decide how music is recorded into the digital domain, there's" "Decide how music is recorded into the digital domain, there's a mistake in it." "Into the digital domain, there's a mistake in it." "So, of course, you can duplicate" "A mistake in it." "So, of course, you can duplicate this." "So, of course, you can duplicate this." "You know, it was kind of a" "This." "You know, it was kind of a mirage." "You know, it was kind of a mirage." "theofficialcompany" "Mirage." "theofficialcompany spokesman, mr." "Spock, theofficialcompany spokesman, mr." "Spock, leonard nimoy." "Spokesman, mr." "Spock, leonard nimoy." "thesoundis great." "Leonard nimoy." "thesoundis great." "We've been using it on the thesoundis great." "We've been using it on the enterprise for decades." "We've been using it on the enterprise for decades." "It's about time it got to" "Enterprise for decades." "It's about time it got to earth." "It's about time it got to earth." "everythingchanged." "Earth." "everythingchanged." "You had a lot of things coming everythingchanged." "You had a lot of things coming at you at once." "You had a lot of things coming at you at once." "The techno side of it..." "At you at once." "The techno side of it..." "thisguynamedrogerlinn ," "The techno side of it..." "thisguynamedrogerlinn , who is a friend of ours, I thisguynamedrogerlinn , who is a friend of ours, I remember tom and I once went" "Who is a friend of ours, I remember tom and I once went over to his house, and" "Remember tom and I once went over to his house, and jim keltner was there." "Over to his house, and jim keltner was there." "And there were all these wires" "Jim keltner was there." "And there were all these wires and gadgets out on the desk." "And there were all these wires and gadgets out on the desk." "Roger was tinkering." "And gadgets out on the desk." "Roger was tinkering." ""what are you doing?"" "Roger was tinkering." ""what are you doing?" he goes, "I'm building a drum" ""what are you doing?" he goes, "I'm building a drum machine."" "allthedrumsampleswere my own drums." "You had to be a drummer to" "Own drums." "You had to be a drummer to sample drum sounds in those" "You had to be a drummer to sample drum sounds in those days." "♪hey [ tom petty's "don't come around here no more" plays ] [ tom petty's "don't come around here no more" plays ] Igotreally,reallygood at" "Here no more" plays ] Igotreally,reallygood at it, and I really loved it." "Igotreally,reallygood at it, and I really loved it." "And it's just a tool." "It, and I really loved it." "And it's just a tool." "It's just another way to make" "And it's just a tool." "It's just another way to make music." "It's just another way to make music." "♪don'tcomearoundhere no" "Music." "♪don'tcomearoundhere no more ♪" "♪don'tcomearoundhere no more ♪ digitalwasin itsinfancy." "More ♪ digitalwasin itsinfancy." "In the '80s, everybody was digitalwasin itsinfancy." "In the '80s, everybody was trying to be state-of-the-art." "In the '80s, everybody was trying to be state-of-the-art." "People were saying, "you only" "Trying to be state-of-the-art." "People were saying, "you only have 24 faders, and we want 32," "People were saying, "you only have 24 faders, and we want 32, 64." "Have 24 faders, and we want 32, 64." "We want 72."" "64." "We want 72." [ chuckles ] whoop-de-doo." "We want 72." [ chuckles ] whoop-de-doo." "♪gettingstronger [ chuckles ] whoop-de-doo." "♪gettingstronger ♪don'tcomearoundhere no" "♪gettingstronger ♪don'tcomearoundhere no more ♪" "♪don'tcomearoundhere no more ♪ keitholsenleftsoundcity" "More ♪ keitholsenleftsoundcity  and built a studio right next keitholsenleftsoundcity  and built a studio right next door." "And built a studio right next door." "That was the weirdest thing, you" "Door." "That was the weirdest thing, you know?" "That was the weirdest thing, you know?" "You'd go out in the parking lot," "Know?" "You'd go out in the parking lot, there'd be keith olsen." "You'd go out in the parking lot, there'd be keith olsen." "Ididthisthingwith" "There'd be keith olsen." "Ididthisthingwith  rick springfield." "Ididthisthingwith  rick springfield." "I told joe gottfried, "I want" "Rick springfield." "I told joe gottfried, "I want you to build me a studio." "I told joe gottfried, "I want you to build me a studio." "And I will give you the specs," "You to build me a studio." "And I will give you the specs, and I'll put in the gear."" "And I will give you the specs, and I'll put in the gear." hetoldme oneday ,"yougot" "And I'll put in the gear." hetoldme oneday ,"yougot to see this studio I built."" "hetoldme oneday ,"yougot to see this studio I built." you know, and so I go in, and" "To see this studio I built." you know, and so I go in, and he's got a board with one fader." "You know, and so I go in, and he's got a board with one fader." "And I said, "well, what do you" "He's got a board with one fader." "And I said, "well, what do you do with that?"" "And I said, "well, what do you do with that?" he goes, "that's all I need."" "Do with that?" he goes, "that's all I need." you know, "it's all in the" "He goes, "that's all I need." you know, "it's all in the computer."" "You know, "it's all in the computer." he goes, "wait till you hear" "Computer." he goes, "wait till you hear what I'm doing."" "He goes, "wait till you hear what I'm doing." you know, and I thought, "well," "What I'm doing." you know, and I thought, "well, I don't give a fuck."" "You know, and I thought, "well, I don't give a fuck." ♪ hey" "I don't give a fuck." ♪ hey I want some shit to play with." "♪ hey I want some shit to play with." "You know, I want to turn knobs," "I want some shit to play with." "You know, I want to turn knobs, and I can't trust this." "You know, I want to turn knobs, and I can't trust this." "keitholsenclearlyhad alot" "And I can't trust this." "keitholsenclearlyhad alot to do with making sound city keitholsenclearlyhad alot to do with making sound city what it is." "To do with making sound city what it is." "But then, if you went to his" "What it is." "But then, if you went to his studio next door, it was nothing" "But then, if you went to his studio next door, it was nothing like sound city." "Studio next door, it was nothing like sound city." "It was the precursor to the" "Like sound city." "It was the precursor to the digital studio." "It was the precursor to the digital studio." "thatwasan interestingtime" "Digital studio." "thatwasan interestingtime in music, where sequencers were thatwasan interestingtime in music, where sequencers were starting to come out." "Now you can record audio into the computer." "Wow." "We could manipulate it in ways we never could've done on tape before." "We never could've done on tape before." "And then you can think about" "Before." "And then you can think about stuff in different ways." "And then you can think about stuff in different ways." "itwasawholenewworld ." "♪hereIgoagainonmyown ♪ going down the only road I've ever known ♪" "♪ going down the only road I've ever known ♪ ♪ but here I go again inthe'80s,everythingwasa  lot more digital." "Things started to get more processed." "everythingstartedsounding" "Processed." "everythingstartedsounding really overproduced, with a everythingstartedsounding really overproduced, with a cannon-shot snare." "Really overproduced, with a cannon-shot snare." "♪hereIgo-o-o-o-o" "Cannon-shot snare." "♪hereIgo-o-o-o-o soundcitycouldn'tkeepup." "♪hereIgo-o-o-o-o soundcitycouldn'tkeepup." "Joe was way over his head, soundcitycouldn'tkeepup." "Joe was way over his head, and not just with the studio." "Joe was way over his head, and not just with the studio." "atthattime,wemade alot" "And not just with the studio." "atthattime,wemade alot  of mistakes." "atthattime,wemade alot  of mistakes." "We'd spent a lot of money" "Of mistakes." "We'd spent a lot of money chasing other acts." "We'd spent a lot of money chasing other acts." "And then, one day, rick decided" "Chasing other acts." "And then, one day, rick decided he wanted to go with the" "And then, one day, rick decided he wanted to go with the younger, better manager, in his" "He wanted to go with the younger, better manager, in his opinion." "Younger, better manager, in his opinion." "Iwaskindoftalkedinto" "Opinion." "Iwaskindoftalkedinto switching managers." "Iwaskindoftalkedinto switching managers." "And, um, I didn't do it very" "Switching managers." "And, um, I didn't do it very well." "And, um, I didn't do it very well." "itwassupposedtobethat" "Well." "itwassupposedtobethat joe was like colonel parker, and itwassupposedtobethat joe was like colonel parker, and rick was elvis, you know?" "Joe was like colonel parker, and rick was elvis, you know?" "That's the way we all thought" "Rick was elvis, you know?" "That's the way we all thought about it, you know?" "That's the way we all thought about it, you know?" "rickspringfieldmadesome" "About it, you know?" "rickspringfieldmadesome money for joe and stuff, but joe rickspringfieldmadesome money for joe and stuff, but joe became like a second father to" "Money for joe and stuff, but joe became like a second father to him." "Became like a second father to him." "Rick was his baby." "Him." "Rick was his baby." "thisguytalkedmeinto ,you" "Rick was his baby." "thisguytalkedmeinto ,you know, dumping joe." "thisguytalkedmeinto ,you know, dumping joe." "And there was a lot of untruths" "Know, dumping joe." "And there was a lot of untruths told, you know?" "And there was a lot of untruths told, you know?" "joewascompletelyshattered" "Told, you know?" "joewascompletelyshattered when it happened." "joewascompletelyshattered when it happened." "It shattered me, too, but not" "When it happened." "It shattered me, too, but not personal like it did to him." "It shattered me, too, but not personal like it did to him." "itwasreallyabaddayfor" "Personal like it did to him." "itwasreallyabaddayfor him, you know?" "itwasreallyabaddayfor him, you know?" "That happened, then drum" "Him, you know?" "That happened, then drum machines and all that stuff." "That happened, then drum machines and all that stuff." "And, you know, synthesizers and" "Machines and all that stuff." "And, you know, synthesizers and stuff like that started taking" "Stuff like that started taking over." "Over." "It just got a little haywire." "bythelate'80s,soundcity," "It just got a little haywire." "bythelate'80s,soundcity,  it just couldn't compete." "bythelate'80s,soundcity,  it just couldn't compete." "[ hard rock plays ]" "It just couldn't compete." "[ hard rock plays ] Iguesstherewas atime when  [ hard rock plays ] Iguesstherewas atime when  studios got nicer and nicer." "Iguesstherewas atime when  studios got nicer and nicer." "Like, some studios had hot tubs." "Studios got nicer and nicer." "Like, some studios had hot tubs." "But, at sound city, you just" "Like, some studios had hot tubs." "But, at sound city, you just wanted to work and get the hell" "But, at sound city, you just wanted to work and get the hell out of there." "Wanted to work and get the hell out of there." "It was not a place you wanted to" "Out of there." "It was not a place you wanted to spend time." "It was not a place you wanted to spend time." "And it seemed like it would've" "Spend time." "And it seemed like it would've been so easy to clean it up." "And it seemed like it would've been so easy to clean it up." "But just no one took it upon" "Been so easy to clean it up." "But just no one took it upon themselves to do that." "But just no one took it upon themselves to do that." "♪aaaaaaaaaah" "Themselves to do that." "♪aaaaaaaaaah Igotup ,afternineyearsat" "♪aaaaaaaaaah Igotup ,afternineyearsat sound city, $29,000 for the" "Igotup ,afternineyearsat sound city, $29,000 for the year, no health insurance." "Sound city, $29,000 for the year, no health insurance." "Joe took it away." "Year, no health insurance." "Joe took it away." "He couldn't afford it." "Joe took it away." "He couldn't afford it." "And then when joe wouldn't give" "He couldn't afford it." "And then when joe wouldn't give me my second week vacation," "And then when joe wouldn't give me my second week vacation, that's when I said, "I'm" "Me my second week vacation, that's when I said, "I'm leaving."" "That's when I said, "I'm leaving." bythetimeIgotto" "Leaving." bythetimeIgotto sound city, it was really dying." "bythetimeIgotto sound city, it was really dying." "We had a tech who was dealing" "Sound city, it was really dying." "We had a tech who was dealing drugs, receptionist who wanted" "We had a tech who was dealing drugs, receptionist who wanted to hang out with keith olsen" "Drugs, receptionist who wanted to hang out with keith olsen more than be at the studio." "To hang out with keith olsen more than be at the studio." "So I got rid of her." "More than be at the studio." "So I got rid of her." "I remember keith telling me" "So I got rid of her." "I remember keith telling me I was wasting my time and the" "I remember keith telling me I was wasting my time and the studio would be closed in" "I was wasting my time and the studio would be closed in six months." "Studio would be closed in six months." "I told him to go fuck himself" "Six months." "I told him to go fuck himself and get out." "I told him to go fuck himself and get out." "I took the last 200 bucks out of" "And get out." "I took the last 200 bucks out of my checking account and bought" "I took the last 200 bucks out of my checking account and bought paint, and we painted the walls." "My checking account and bought paint, and we painted the walls." "Sound city was dead." "Paint, and we painted the walls." "Sound city was dead." "It was dead." "[ nirvana's "in bloom" plays ] tobehonest,Idon'teven remember how the fuck we picked tobehonest,Idon'teven remember how the fuck we picked sound city." "it'sa grittyplace,but we were used to living on the edge, so it's just like -- it was" "Were used to living on the edge, so it's just like -- it was roomy." "So it's just like -- it was roomy." "It was comfortable." "Ithinkit waslike600bucks  a day." "16 days in the studio, and then" "A day." "16 days in the studio, and then accommodations." "16 days in the studio, and then accommodations." "I think maybe $60k was the" "Accommodations." "I think maybe $60k was the budget for the whole record." "I think maybe $60k was the budget for the whole record." "wehadthesesongs,andwe" "Budget for the whole record." "wehadthesesongs,andwe busted them out." "wehadthesesongs,andwe busted them out." "We had a pretty good idea of" "Busted them out." "We had a pretty good idea of what we wanted to do." "We had a pretty good idea of what we wanted to do." "♪he'stheone who likes" "What we wanted to do." "♪he'stheone who likes all our pretty songs ♪" "♪he'stheone who likes all our pretty songs ♪ asmuchas we lovednoiseand" "All our pretty songs ♪ asmuchas we lovednoiseand we loved crazy-ass punk-rock asmuchas we lovednoiseand we loved crazy-ass punk-rock shit, we wanted to be a good" "We loved crazy-ass punk-rock shit, we wanted to be a good band." "Shit, we wanted to be a good band." "We loved the beatles." "Band." "We loved the beatles." "♪don'tknowwhatitmeans" "We loved the beatles." "♪don'tknowwhatitmeans  ♪ don't know what it means" "♪don'tknowwhatitmeans  ♪ don't know what it means oneofthecraziestsongs" "♪ don't know what it means oneofthecraziestsongs that we recorded was "lithium."" "oneofthecraziestsongs that we recorded was "lithium." for whatever reason, the band" "That we recorded was "lithium." for whatever reason, the band and dave kept speeding up." "For whatever reason, the band and dave kept speeding up." "Not subtly, but a lot." "And dave kept speeding up." "Not subtly, but a lot." "It would start out a certain" "Not subtly, but a lot." "It would start out a certain tempo and then keep going faster" "It would start out a certain tempo and then keep going faster and faster." "Tempo and then keep going faster and faster." "Racing along, basically." "And faster." "Racing along, basically." "I said, "dave, have you ever" "Racing along, basically." "I said, "dave, have you ever played with a click track" "I said, "dave, have you ever played with a click track before?"" "Played with a click track before?" myheartjustwentcrack!" "Before?" myheartjustwentcrack!" "Aaaah!" "myheartjustwentcrack!" "Aaaah!" "I was fucking " " I just felt" "Aaaah!" "I was fucking " " I just felt like someone had stabbed me in" "I was fucking " " I just felt like someone had stabbed me in the fucking brain." "Like someone had stabbed me in the fucking brain." "When you're a drummer, you don't" "The fucking brain." "When you're a drummer, you don't want anyone to ask you to play" "When you're a drummer, you don't want anyone to ask you to play to a click track, you know?" "Want anyone to ask you to play to a click track, you know?" "That human feel is what gives a" "To a click track, you know?" "That human feel is what gives a player their personality." "That human feel is what gives a player their personality." "[ clicking ]" "Player their personality." "[ clicking ] somedrummersdon'treally [ clicking ] somedrummersdon'treally know how to play to something somedrummersdon'treally know how to play to something that's keeping them in line like" "Know how to play to something that's keeping them in line like a click track." "That's keeping them in line like a click track." "[ nirvana's "lithium" plays ]" "A click track." "[ nirvana's "lithium" plays ] ♪I 'msohappy'cause [ nirvana's "lithium" plays ] ♪I 'msohappy'cause today I found my friends ♪" "♪I 'msohappy'cause today I found my friends ♪ loandbehold,the first" "Today I found my friends ♪ loandbehold,the first take, man, he locked in like loandbehold,the first take, man, he locked in like he'd played to a click a" "Take, man, he locked in like he'd played to a click a thousand times." "He'd played to a click a thousand times." "And I think we got the song," "Thousand times." "And I think we got the song, like, the first or second take." "And I think we got the song, like, the first or second take." "♪yea-ea-ea-h-h" "Like, the first or second take." "♪yea-ea-ea-h-h ♪ yea-ea-h yea-ea-ea-h-h" "♪yea-ea-ea-h-h ♪ yea-ea-h yea-ea-ea-h-h andthen,whenIlistenedto" "♪ yea-ea-h yea-ea-ea-h-h andthen,whenIlistenedto it, I'm like, "well, now it andthen,whenIlistenedto it, I'm like, "well, now it sounds like the fucking chorus" "It, I'm like, "well, now it sounds like the fucking chorus is slowing down." "Sounds like the fucking chorus is slowing down." "It's okay to speed up a little" "Is slowing down." "It's okay to speed up a little isn't it?"" "♪yea-ea-h ♪ yea-ea-ea-h-h" "Iremember,everynight,we'd  bring a cassette back from sound city to the oakwood" "Bring a cassette back from sound city to the oakwood apartments, where we were" "Sound city to the oakwood apartments, where we were staying, and listen to what we" "Apartments, where we were staying, and listen to what we had done that day." "Staying, and listen to what we had done that day." "[ rock 'n' roll plays ]" "Had done that day." "[ rock 'n' roll plays ] those imperfections, that's [ rock 'n' roll plays ] those imperfections, that's cool." "Those imperfections, that's cool." "And it makes it sound like" "Cool." "And it makes it sound like people." "And it makes it sound like people." "And kurt was entirely about" "People." "And kurt was entirely about performance." "And kurt was entirely about performance." "To us, it was most important" "Performance." "To us, it was most important that there was an honesty and" "To us, it was most important that there was an honesty and truth to what we were doing." "That there was an honesty and truth to what we were doing." "♪I don'tcare" "Truth to what we were doing." "♪I don'tcare ♪ I don't care" "♪I don'tcare ♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care" "♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care" "♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care" "♪ I don't care ♪ I don't care themusiccamethroughthe" "♪ I don't care themusiccamethroughthe speakers in a way that was themusiccamethroughthe speakers in a way that was primal." "Speakers in a way that was primal." "You could hear the sweat in the" "Primal." "You could hear the sweat in the tracks." "You could hear the sweat in the tracks." "You could hear kurt's vocal" "Tracks." "You could hear kurt's vocal cords." "You could hear kurt's vocal cords." "♪ifyouhave,ifyouneed" "Cords." "♪ifyouhave,ifyouneed lookingbackat soundcity,I" "♪ifyouhave,ifyouneed lookingbackat soundcity,I realize so much of that record lookingbackat soundcity,I realize so much of that record is about performance." "Realize so much of that record is about performance." "[ guitar plays nirvana's" "Is about performance." "[ guitar plays nirvana's "something in the way" ]" "[ guitar plays nirvana's "something in the way" ] whenwetriedtorecord" ""something in the way" ] whenwetriedtorecord "something in the way," the band whenwetriedtorecord "something in the way," the band tried to record it live in the" ""something in the way," the band tried to record it live in the big tracking room, and it was" "Tried to record it live in the big tracking room, and it was just too, kind of, big and" "Big tracking room, and it was just too, kind of, big and bombastic-sounding." "Just too, kind of, big and bombastic-sounding." "thatsonghadtoberight" "Bombastic-sounding." "thatsonghadtoberight  because it was such a delicate, thatsonghadtoberight  because it was such a delicate, fragile composition." "Because it was such a delicate, fragile composition." "♪underneaththebridge" "Fragile composition." "♪underneaththebridge ♪ the tarp has sprung a leak" "♪underneaththebridge ♪ the tarp has sprung a leak kurtcameintothe control" "♪ the tarp has sprung a leak kurtcameintothe control room, and he started playing kurtcameintothe control room, and he started playing the song." "Room, and he started playing the song." "He laid in front of the neve on" "The song." "He laid in front of the neve on this couch, and I turned off the" "He laid in front of the neve on this couch, and I turned off the fans and the phones and" "This couch, and I turned off the fans and the phones and everything, and he played the" "Fans and the phones and everything, and he played the song just barely mumbling," "Everything, and he played the song just barely mumbling, barely singing, and barely" "Song just barely mumbling, barely singing, and barely playing that 5-string guitar." "Barely singing, and barely playing that 5-string guitar." "♪andthedrippingsfrom the" "Playing that 5-string guitar." "♪andthedrippingsfrom the ceiling ♪" "♪andthedrippingsfrom the ceiling ♪ youhadto focusonmakingit" "Ceiling ♪ youhadto focusonmakingit correct and the way it should youhadto focusonmakingit correct and the way it should be, which isn't necessarily" "Correct and the way it should be, which isn't necessarily perfect." "Be, which isn't necessarily perfect." "It just feels right." "Perfect." "It just feels right." "♪somethingin theway" "It just feels right." "♪somethingin theway  ♪ mmm-mmm" "♪somethingin theway  ♪ mmm-mmm thatwaswhenIfirstsawa" "♪ mmm-mmm thatwaswhenIfirstsawa computer used with music, thatwaswhenIfirstsawa computer used with music, because it was so hard to play" "Computer used with music, because it was so hard to play to that guitar." "Because it was so hard to play to that guitar." "Icouldn'treallyfigureout" "To that guitar." "Icouldn'treallyfigureout how to get the performances" "Icouldn'treallyfigureout how to get the performances locked together without trying" "How to get the performances locked together without trying to do crazy edits with him." "Locked together without trying to do crazy edits with him." "Somebody had told me about this" "To do crazy edits with him." "Somebody had told me about this new digital machine." "Somebody had told me about this new digital machine." "so,thistechnicianbrought" "New digital machine." "so,thistechnicianbrought in a computer and a screen, and so,thistechnicianbrought in a computer and a screen, and it was like the -- it was" "In a computer and a screen, and it was like the -- it was basically like pro tools or" "It was like the -- it was basically like pro tools or something." "Basically like pro tools or something." "♪mmm-mmm" "Something." "♪mmm-mmm itwasarchaic." "♪mmm-mmm itwasarchaic." "It was incredibly slow." "itwasarchaic." "It was incredibly slow." "You can't do what you can these" "It was incredibly slow." "You can't do what you can these days in pro tools." "You can't do what you can these days in pro tools." "You had this "render" button," "Days in pro tools." "You had this "render" button, and it would take like two" "You had this "render" button, and it would take like two hours." "And it would take like two hours." "weusedto callit" "Hours." "weusedto callit "slow tools," 'cause it just weusedto callit "slow tools," 'cause it just used to just slow everything" ""slow tools," 'cause it just used to just slow everything down." "Used to just slow everything down." "andthen,whenyou finally" "Down." "andthen,whenyou finally listened to it, if you didn't andthen,whenyou finally listened to it, if you didn't like it, you had to hit "undo"" "Listened to it, if you didn't like it, you had to hit "undo" and try another one and hit" "Like it, you had to hit "undo" and try another one and hit "render" again." "And try another one and hit "render" again." "It would take, like, another" ""render" again." "It would take, like, another two hours." "It would take, like, another two hours." "thecomputerwassuchapain" "Two hours." "thecomputerwassuchapain in the butt." "thecomputerwassuchapain in the butt." "It's just like, this will" "In the butt." "It's just like, this will just -- this is a gimmicky" "It's just like, this will just -- this is a gimmicky thing." "Just -- this is a gimmicky thing." "Good thing we have tape." "Thing." "Good thing we have tape." "This will never take off."" "Good thing we have tape." "This will never take off." [ nirvana's "smells like" "This will never take off." [ nirvana's "smells like teen spirit" plays ] [ nirvana's "smells like teen spirit" plays ] whenI hear" "Teen spirit" plays ] whenI hear "smells like teen spirit" on the whenI hear "smells like teen spirit" on the radio, I remember those really" ""smells like teen spirit" on the radio, I remember those really simple moments of being in the" "Radio, I remember those really simple moments of being in the studio." "Simple moments of being in the studio." "And those 15 days or 16 days," "Studio." "And those 15 days or 16 days, whatever it was, that board " "And those 15 days or 16 days, whatever it was, that board -- totally changed my life." "Whatever it was, that board -- totally changed my life." "nirvana!" "Totally changed my life." "nirvana!" "[ cheers and applause ] nirvana!" "[ cheers and applause ] nirvana!" "[ cheers and applause ] nirvana!" "nirvana!" "nirvana!" "nirvana!" "♪herewe arenow  nirvana!" "♪herewe arenow  ♪ entertain us" "♪herewe arenow  ♪ entertain us soundcitywouldnot have" "♪ entertain us soundcitywouldnot have survived if it was not for that soundcitywouldnot have survived if it was not for that record." "Survived if it was not for that record." "You know?" "Record." "You know?" "nobodyhadeverheardof" "You know?" "nobodyhadeverheardof nirvana, but it went right up to nobodyhadeverheardof nirvana, but it went right up to number one." "Nirvana, but it went right up to number one." "We knew right after that we'd" "Number one." "We knew right after that we'd get a lot of business." "We knew right after that we'd get a lot of business." "♪a denial" "Get a lot of business." "♪a denial itwaslikefleetwoodmacall" "♪a denial itwaslikefleetwoodmacall over again." "itwaslikefleetwoodmacall over again." "joewasalwaysreallygood" "Over again." "joewasalwaysreallygood  to me." "joewasalwaysreallygood  to me." "There was a plaque that he had" "To me." "There was a plaque that he had brought over to me when" "There was a plaque that he had brought over to me when "nevermind" hit number one." "Brought over to me when "nevermind" hit number one." "And we hung it on the wall, and" ""nevermind" hit number one." "And we hung it on the wall, and it was just a couple weeks later" "And we hung it on the wall, and it was just a couple weeks later that joe actually passed away." "hewasabsolutelyabeautiful person, so absolutely a doll of a guy." "Person, so absolutely a doll of a guy." "And I didn't " " I didn't treat" "A guy." "And I didn't " " I didn't treat him very well." "And I didn't " " I didn't treat him very well." "You know, with the separation." "Him very well." "You know, with the separation." "And, um..." "You know, with the separation." "And, um..." "So I'm really glad we made up," "And, um..." "So I'm really glad we made up, you know, before he died." "itwasasad day ." "He helped a lot of people do a lot of things in their career." "Iremembercomingbackto sound city." "I hadn't been there in a while." "Sound city." "I hadn't been there in a while." "And the record had gotten big." "I hadn't been there in a while." "And the record had gotten big." "And they sent them a platinum" "And the record had gotten big." "And they sent them a platinum record." "And they sent them a platinum record." "[ hinges squeak ]" "Record." "[ hinges squeak ] I remember opening the door and [ hinges squeak ] I remember opening the door and seeing that." "I remember opening the door and seeing that." "And it was such a huge moment" "Seeing that." "And it was such a huge moment for me." "And it was such a huge moment for me." "I was just like..." "For me." "I was just like..." "Because I remembered walking in" "I was just like..." "Because I remembered walking in there for the first time and" "Because I remembered walking in there for the first time and seeing all of those other" "There for the first time and seeing all of those other records." "Seeing all of those other records." "To me, sound city represents" "Records." "To me, sound city represents some sort of integrity like a" "To me, sound city represents some sort of integrity like a truth, which is very human." "Some sort of integrity like a truth, which is very human." "Actual people doing this thing" "Truth, which is very human." "Actual people doing this thing that inspired millions and" "Actual people doing this thing that inspired millions and millions of fans all over the" "That inspired millions and millions of fans all over the place to do the same thing." "Millions of fans all over the place to do the same thing." "thatSeptember,thephones" "Place to do the same thing." "thatSeptember,thephones just blew up." "thatSeptember,thephones just blew up." "I mean, you come in the morning," "Just blew up." "I mean, you come in the morning, there'd be, like, 50 messages." "I mean, you come in the morning, there'd be, like, 50 messages." "it'slikethistidalwave of" "There'd be, like, 50 messages." "it'slikethistidalwave of interest, and it was a it'slikethistidalwave of interest, and it was a no-brainer -- sound city." "wechosesoundcitybecause "nevermind" was recorded there." "[ laughs ]" ""nevermind" was recorded there." "[ laughs ] Ihadneverbeeninastudio  [ laughs ] Ihadneverbeeninastudio  before." "Ihadneverbeeninastudio  before." "There was a lot of time spent," "Before." "There was a lot of time spent, like, cutting a tape at an angle" "There was a lot of time spent, like, cutting a tape at an angle and taping it together." "It just, to me, seemed crazy." "Like, that didn't make any sense to me." "Like, that didn't make any sense to me." "♪killingin thenameof" "Sense to me." "♪killingin thenameof wedidourrecordat" "♪killingin thenameof wedidourrecordat sound city like a live show." "wedidourrecordat sound city like a live show." "webroughtmonitorsin, and" "Sound city like a live show." "webroughtmonitorsin, and  we invited a bunch of our webroughtmonitorsin, and  we invited a bunch of our friends down." "We invited a bunch of our friends down." "I think we got half the record" "Friends down." "I think we got half the record in that one night." "I think we got half the record in that one night." "[ "killing in the name" plays ]" "In that one night." "[ "killing in the name" plays ] ♪killingin thenameof" "[ "killing in the name" plays ] ♪killingin thenameof thingsgotalot morerawand" "♪killingin thenameof thingsgotalot morerawand down-to-earth again." "thingsgotalot morerawand down-to-earth again." "[ frank black and the catholics'" "Down-to-earth again." "[ frank black and the catholics' "all my ghosts" plays ] [ frank black and the catholics' "all my ghosts" plays ] Ihadstartedtogetinto" ""all my ghosts" plays ] Ihadstartedtogetinto simplification and analog tape" "Ihadstartedtogetinto simplification and analog tape and vintage equipment and that" "Simplification and analog tape and vintage equipment and that kind of thing." "And vintage equipment and that kind of thing." "And so, obviously, all roads led" "Kind of thing." "And so, obviously, all roads led to a place like sound city." "It became the center of my life." "♪ I had a date for the 11th hour ♪" "♪ ohhhhhhhh all the catholics stuff, that was all live to two-track, no" "All the catholics stuff, that was all live to two-track, no overdubs." "Was all live to two-track, no overdubs." "After making records in the '80s" "Overdubs." "After making records in the '80s and working towards perfection" "After making records in the '80s and working towards perfection and click tracks, and all this" "And working towards perfection and click tracks, and all this kind of stuff, suddenly to just" "And click tracks, and all this kind of stuff, suddenly to just do, like, rocking out and have" "Kind of stuff, suddenly to just do, like, rocking out and have it recorded, and it's all done," "Do, like, rocking out and have it recorded, and it's all done, it just felt really right." "It recorded, and it's all done, it just felt really right." "♪ well, who needs that now?" "It just felt really right." "♪ well, who needs that now?" "♪ ah, who needs that now?" "♪ well, who needs that now?" "♪ ah, who needs that now?" "Ikeptworkingtherepretty" "♪ ah, who needs that now?" "Ikeptworkingtherepretty much into the '90s with rick." "Ikeptworkingtherepretty much into the '90s with rick." "alltheykeptonsayingabout" "Much into the '90s with rick." "alltheykeptonsayingabout  was, "ah, there's no paula." "alltheykeptonsayingabout  was, "ah, there's no paula." "This is really weird."" "Was, "ah, there's no paula." "This is really weird." and I was just, like, "you know," "This is really weird." and I was just, like, "you know, seriously?"" "And I was just, like, "you know, seriously?" shivaunwasgreat." "Seriously?" shivaunwasgreat." "She didn't take no shit off shivaunwasgreat." "She didn't take no shit off nobody." "She didn't take no shit off nobody." "♪ yeah" "Nobody." "♪ yeah ♪ you wreck me, baby" "♪ yeah ♪ you wreck me, baby ♪ yeah, you break me in two" "♪ you wreck me, baby ♪ yeah, you break me in two then, right after that, rick did" "♪ yeah, you break me in two then, right after that, rick did a record with johnny cash." "Then, right after that, rick did a record with johnny cash." "[ johnny cash's "rusty cage"" "A record with johnny cash." "[ johnny cash's "rusty cage" plays ] [ johnny cash's "rusty cage" plays ] hewasthecoolestguyinthe" "Plays ] hewasthecoolestguyinthe  world, and he was really humble." "hewasthecoolestguyinthe  world, and he was really humble." "He was sick during the making of" "He was sick during the making of that record, and there were" "That record, and there were times where we would have to take breaks, but he loved" "Times where we would have to take breaks, but he loved recording." "Take breaks, but he loved recording." "He loved being an artist." "♪toocoldtostartafire  ♪ I'm burnin' diesel, burnin' dinosaur bones ♪ wekepton callinghim  "mr." "Cash," and he would get upset." ""mr." "Cash," and he would get upset." "He said, "no, call me johnny."" "Upset." "He said, "no, call me johnny." so we all started calling him" "He said, "no, call me johnny." so we all started calling him "mr." "Cash" behind his back." "So we all started calling him "mr." "Cash" behind his back." "johnnywantedto playwith" ""mr." "Cash" behind his back." "johnnywantedto playwith a band, and he picked us, which johnnywantedto playwith a band, and he picked us, which was totally off the map for me." "A band, and he picked us, which was totally off the map for me." "itwasneverlike" "Was totally off the map for me." "itwasneverlike the heartbreakers playing their itwasneverlike the heartbreakers playing their normal stuff, because, for each" "The heartbreakers playing their normal stuff, because, for each song, everybody would pick up" "Normal stuff, because, for each song, everybody would pick up different instruments." "Song, everybody would pick up different instruments." "♪gonnabreakmyrustycage" "Different instruments." "♪gonnabreakmyrustycage ♪ and run" "♪gonnabreakmyrustycage ♪ and run oneofmy greatestnightswas" "♪ and run oneofmy greatestnightswas when carl perkins came down." "Iwastherunner,andI 'll  never forget sitting at the front desk at sound city and" "Never forget sitting at the front desk at sound city and tom petty and carl perkins and" "Front desk at sound city and tom petty and carl perkins and john fogerty walked in, and it" "Tom petty and carl perkins and john fogerty walked in, and it was just like..." "John fogerty walked in, and it was just like..." ""wow."" "Was just like..." ""wow." ♪comeon ,go withme, babe" ""wow." ♪comeon ,go withme, babe ♪ come on, go with me, girl" "♪comeon ,go withme, babe ♪ come on, go with me, girl tompettyneverloseshis" "♪ come on, go with me, girl tompettyneverloseshis cool, and he walked out of the tompettyneverloseshis cool, and he walked out of the control room totally calm, and" "Cool, and he walked out of the control room totally calm, and he just, like, slammed his hands" "Control room totally calm, and he just, like, slammed his hands down on the table and goes," "He just, like, slammed his hands down on the table and goes, "it's carl fucking perkins." "Down on the table and goes, "it's carl fucking perkins." "Can you believe it?"" ""it's carl fucking perkins." "Can you believe it?" goodol'soundcitycame" "Can you believe it?" goodol'soundcitycame  through for us again." "goodol'soundcitycame  through for us again." "[ tom petty's" "Through for us again." "[ tom petty's "cabin down below" plays ]" ""cabin down below" plays ] otherroomsin otherstudios otherroomsin otherstudios all around town started to shift" "All around town started to shift because more and more people started to use pro tools." "Because more and more people started to use pro tools." "everybodyjustjumpedonthis" "Started to use pro tools." "everybodyjustjumpedonthis  bandwagon of, you know, everybodyjustjumpedonthis  bandwagon of, you know, "everything's got to be" "Bandwagon of, you know, "everything's got to be digital" -- digital consoles," ""everything's got to be digital" -- digital consoles, digital tape machines." "Digital" -- digital consoles, digital tape machines." "Imean,theyhadn'tdecorated" "Digital tape machines." "Imean,theyhadn'tdecorated since 1974." "Imean,theyhadn'tdecorated since 1974." "They sure as shit weren't gonna" "Since 1974." "They sure as shit weren't gonna spend 20 grand on a fucking" "They sure as shit weren't gonna spend 20 grand on a fucking pro tools rig, you know?" "Spend 20 grand on a fucking pro tools rig, you know?" "whenyoucametowork at" "Pro tools rig, you know?" "whenyoucametowork at sound city, you knew what you whenyoucametowork at sound city, you knew what you were getting." "Sound city, you knew what you were getting." "It was a tape-based studio." "Were getting." "It was a tape-based studio." "atsomepoint,itbecame" "It was a tape-based studio." "atsomepoint,itbecame cultural -- "we're against atsomepoint,itbecame cultural -- "we're against that."" "Cultural -- "we're against that." starts from the runner all the" "That." starts from the runner all the way up to all the engineers and" "Starts from the runner all the way up to all the engineers and the studio manager." "Way up to all the engineers and the studio manager." "They were just against it." "The studio manager." "They were just against it." "Like, digital sucks." "They were just against it." "Like, digital sucks." "youknow,bringtheminthe" "Like, digital sucks." "youknow,bringtheminthe room and mike them up and just youknow,bringtheminthe room and mike them up and just let tape roll." "Room and mike them up and just let tape roll." "♪well,I'vegot asecretI" "Let tape roll." "♪well,I'vegot asecretI cannot say ♪" "♪well,I'vegot asecretI cannot say ♪ ♪ blame all the movement to give" "Cannot say ♪ ♪ blame all the movement to give it away ♪ that'swhatqueenswas all  about." "We were not only analog." "About." "We were not only analog." "It needed to be live." "We were not only analog." "It needed to be live." "It needed to be something you" "It needed to be live." "It needed to be something you could be proud of that you had" "It needed to be something you could be proud of that you had done, you know?" "It was just what you had to do if you were a real musician." "♪whateveryoudo" "If you were a real musician." "♪whateveryoudo ♪ don't tell anyone" "♪whateveryoudo ♪ don't tell anyone soundcitywasaplacewhere" "♪ don't tell anyone soundcitywasaplacewhere  real men went to make records." "soundcitywasaplacewhere  real men went to make records." "It wasn't gonna be easy." "Real men went to make records." "It wasn't gonna be easy." "But, you know, all good things" "It wasn't gonna be easy." "But, you know, all good things take an effort." "But, you know, all good things take an effort." "[ whooshing ]" "Take an effort." "[ whooshing ] andmakeamarkonthetape." "[ whooshing ] andmakeamarkonthetape." "And that is gonna be where I'm andmakeamarkonthetape." "And that is gonna be where I'm gonna cut." "And that is gonna be where I'm gonna cut." "whenyouhavetorecordon" "Gonna cut." "whenyouhavetorecordon tape, it's pretty difficult to whenyouhavetorecordon tape, it's pretty difficult to manipulate the sound." "Tape, it's pretty difficult to manipulate the sound." "[ whooshing ]" "Manipulate the sound." "[ whooshing ] wedothesamethingthere ." "[ whooshing ] wedothesamethingthere ." "youhaveto reallyfocus, wedothesamethingthere ." "youhaveto reallyfocus, one, on how it sounds going in, youhaveto reallyfocus, one, on how it sounds going in, and then, two, the performance" "One, on how it sounds going in, and then, two, the performance has to be amazing." "And then, two, the performance has to be amazing." "okay." "Has to be amazing." "okay." "partofmakingitinthe okay." "partofmakingitinthe record business back in the old partofmakingitinthe record business back in the old days was that there was" "Record business back in the old days was that there was something you could do and" "Days was that there was something you could do and nobody else could do that." "Something you could do and nobody else could do that." "Pro tools has enabled people " "Nobody else could do that." "Pro tools has enabled people -- any average, ordinary person " "Pro tools has enabled people -- any average, ordinary person -- to achieve those sorts of" "Any average, ordinary person -- to achieve those sorts of results now." "To achieve those sorts of results now." "todothatsamethingwith" "Results now." "todothatsamethingwith pro tools -- there we go, todothatsamethingwith pro tools -- there we go, done -- it's really that simple." "Pro tools -- there we go, done -- it's really that simple." "whenprotoolscamein,it" "Done -- it's really that simple." "whenprotoolscamein,it freaked me out when I realized whenprotoolscamein,it freaked me out when I realized that you could drag music onto" "Freaked me out when I realized that you could drag music onto the grid and make it sound" "That you could drag music onto the grid and make it sound perfect." "The grid and make it sound perfect." "thegoodthingaboutthe" "Perfect." "thegoodthingaboutthe digital technology is if thegoodthingaboutthe digital technology is if somebody makes a mistake, like" "Digital technology is if somebody makes a mistake, like the bass player hits a wrong" "Somebody makes a mistake, like the bass player hits a wrong note or something, you might be" "The bass player hits a wrong note or something, you might be able to fix it much easier than" "Note or something, you might be able to fix it much easier than we used to." "Able to fix it much easier than we used to." "thenot-so-greatis ,it 's" "We used to." "thenot-so-greatis ,it 's kind of enabled people that have thenot-so-greatis ,it 's kind of enabled people that have no business being in a band or" "Kind of enabled people that have no business being in a band or the music industry to become" "No business being in a band or the music industry to become stars." "The music industry to become stars." "Iheardsomeyoungguyina" "Stars." "Iheardsomeyoungguyina band say, "well, you don't have" "Iheardsomeyoungguyina band say, "well, you don't have to practice anymore." "You know, you just slice it up in the machine," meaning the computer, "and it comes out" "In the machine," meaning the computer, "and it comes out perfectly."" "Computer, "and it comes out perfectly." [ guitar plays classical music ]" "Perfectly." [ guitar plays classical music ] somebody like andrés segovia, [ guitar plays classical music ] somebody like andrés segovia, you know, who played the guitar" "Somebody like andrés segovia, you know, who played the guitar beautifully." "You know, who played the guitar beautifully." "There's no machine is gonna do" "Beautifully." "There's no machine is gonna do that." "Iamnotaprotools fan." "But trent and atticus, they really use it as a tool, and a" "But trent and atticus, they really use it as a tool, and a real creative tool." "Really use it as a tool, and a real creative tool." "[ nine inch nails plays ]" "Ineverwentintothekindof fear of, "it's cheating." I never use samplers as a way to" "Fear of, "it's cheating." I never use samplers as a way to sound like the real thing." "I never use samplers as a way to sound like the real thing." "It was really amazing, 'cause" "Sound like the real thing." "It was really amazing, 'cause here's a thing that can record" "It was really amazing, 'cause here's a thing that can record sound like tape, but you can" "Here's a thing that can record sound like tape, but you can fuck with it in million" "Sound like tape, but you can fuck with it in million different ways." "It's just a wildly inspiring tool, really." "♪ I believe I can see the" "Tool, really." "♪ I believe I can see the future ♪" "♪ I believe I can see the future ♪ Iliketo recorditinanalog" "Future ♪ Iliketo recorditinanalog at the highest level and listen" "Iliketo recorditinanalog at the highest level and listen to it that way." "At the highest level and listen to it that way." "But that's not what's happening" "To it that way." "But that's not what's happening on the street." "But that's not what's happening on the street." "That's not where our audience" "On the street." "That's not where our audience is." "That's not where our audience is." "You want them to live their" "Is." "You want them to live their lives the way they want to live" "You want them to live their lives the way they want to live it." "Lives the way they want to live it." "Ithinkit makesalotof" "It." "Ithinkit makesalotof independent music right now" "Ithinkit makesalotof independent music right now possible." "Independent music right now possible." "It's one of the reasons why" "Possible." "It's one of the reasons why we're able to make records for a" "It's one of the reasons why we're able to make records for a couple hundred bucks." "We're able to make records for a couple hundred bucks." "Ithinkoneofthebigtape" "Couple hundred bucks." "Ithinkoneofthebigtape manufacturers went out of" "Ithinkoneofthebigtape manufacturers went out of business, so that really pushed" "Manufacturers went out of business, so that really pushed everybody into the digital world" "Business, so that really pushed everybody into the digital world and the pro tools world." "Everybody into the digital world and the pro tools world." "The days of moving into the" "And the pro tools world." "The days of moving into the studio and writing your record" "The days of moving into the studio and writing your record and recording your record and" "Studio and writing your record and recording your record and mixing your record, those days" "And recording your record and mixing your record, those days are gone now." "Mixing your record, those days are gone now." "theyusedto have$200,000," "Are gone now." "theyusedto have$200,000, $300,000 $400,000 budgets to do theyusedto have$200,000, $300,000 $400,000 budgets to do an album." "$300,000 $400,000 budgets to do an album." "Now the money is just not there" "An album." "Now the money is just not there the way it used to be." "Now the money is just not there the way it used to be." "budgetswereso small,we'd" "The way it used to be." "budgetswereso small,we'd be tracking late five days, budgetswereso small,we'd be tracking late five days, 10 days." "Be tracking late five days, 10 days." "itwasalwayslast-minute, 10 days." "itwasalwayslast-minute, "can you work this afternoon?"" "itwasalwayslast-minute, "can you work this afternoon?" or whatever." ""can you work this afternoon?" or whatever." "So..." "Or whatever." "So..." "[ neil young's "birds" plays ]" "So..." "[ neil young's "birds" plays ] intheend,itwasa little [ neil young's "birds" plays ] intheend,itwasa little hard to swallow." "intheend,itwasa little hard to swallow." "You know, we started selling off" "Hard to swallow." "You know, we started selling off the gear in studio "b," 'cause" "You know, we started selling off the gear in studio "b," 'cause the studio was way behind on" "The gear in studio "b," 'cause the studio was way behind on bills." "The studio was way behind on bills." "♪lover,therewillbe" "Bills." "♪lover,therewillbe another one ♪" "♪lover,therewillbe another one ♪ ♪ who'll hover over you" "Another one ♪ ♪ who'll hover over you beneath the sun ♪" "♪ who'll hover over you beneath the sun ♪ mostofthegreatstudios" "Beneath the sun ♪ mostofthegreatstudios have gone out of business, and a mostofthegreatstudios have gone out of business, and a lot of what you hear on the" "Have gone out of business, and a lot of what you hear on the radio was made on people's" "Lot of what you hear on the radio was made on people's laptops." "Radio was made on people's laptops." "Ithinkprotoolsjust really" "Laptops." "Ithinkprotoolsjust really was, to a lot of people, was the" "Ithinkprotoolsjust really was, to a lot of people, was the death knell." "Was, to a lot of people, was the death knell." "italwayswasaninsider" "Death knell." "italwayswasaninsider place -- always." "italwayswasaninsider place -- always." "But it could not survive against" "Place -- always." "But it could not survive against pro tools." "But it could not survive against pro tools." "You know, the internet's cool" "Pro tools." "You know, the internet's cool for some stuff, but, like many" "You know, the internet's cool for some stuff, but, like many things, there's no bookstore," "For some stuff, but, like many things, there's no bookstore, there's no music store, and" "Things, there's no bookstore, there's no music store, and there's no sound city." "There's no music store, and there's no sound city." "♪andshowyou the way to" "There's no sound city." "♪andshowyou the way to go ♪" "♪andshowyou the way to go ♪ ♪ it's over" "Go ♪ ♪ it's over ♪ it's over" "♪ it's over ♪ it's over Ihadheardthatsoundcity" "♪ it's over Ihadheardthatsoundcity was about to close." "Ihadheardthatsoundcity was about to close." "Someone said, "you should call" "Was about to close." "Someone said, "you should call shivaun."" "Someone said, "you should call shivaun." and I talked to shivaun, and she" "Shivaun." and I talked to shivaun, and she was in tears, man." "And I talked to shivaun, and she was in tears, man." "It was -- it was heavy." "Was in tears, man." "It was -- it was heavy." "soundcitywasmyhome ." "It was -- it was heavy." "soundcitywasmyhome ." "And, basically, after all those soundcitywasmyhome ." "And, basically, after all those years -- after 19 years, laid" "And, basically, after all those years -- after 19 years, laid off, no severance pay, no" "Years -- after 19 years, laid off, no severance pay, no medical, nothing." "Off, no severance pay, no medical, nothing." "shivaunwaslike--shewas" "Medical, nothing." "shivaunwaslike--shewas like a mom to me, you know?" "shivaunwaslike--shewas like a mom to me, you know?" "I " " I left my mom." "Like a mom to me, you know?" "I " " I left my mom." "My mom was in tennessee and then" "I " " I left my mom." "My mom was in tennessee and then I was out here, and shivaun was" "My mom was in tennessee and then I was out here, and shivaun was so cool, man." "I was out here, and shivaun was so cool, man." "I love her so much." "So cool, man." "I love her so much." "♪shadowon thethingsyou" "I love her so much." "♪shadowon thethingsyou know ♪" "♪shadowon thethingsyou know ♪ [sniffles]sorry." "Know ♪ [sniffles]sorry." "♪feathersfallaroundyou [sniffles]sorry." "♪feathersfallaroundyou yes,it'sbeenhard." "♪feathersfallaroundyou yes,it'sbeenhard." "It still " " I try to move on, yes,it'sbeenhard." "It still " " I try to move on, but it's -- it's hard." "It still " " I try to move on, but it's -- it's hard." "♪it'sover" "But it's -- it's hard." "♪it'sover ♪ it's over" "♪it'sover ♪ it's over ♪ ooh, ooh" "♪ it's over ♪ ooh, ooh [ music fades ] lookingback,Iwas justa kid when I walked into sound city, and that board is" "Kid when I walked into sound city, and that board is the reason I'm here right now." "Sound city, and that board is the reason I'm here right now." "I'd do anything for it." "The reason I'm here right now." "I'd do anything for it." "thisbigroomand thatneve" "I'd do anything for it." "thisbigroomand thatneve  console is what got us all the thisbigroomand thatneve  console is what got us all the big rock 'n' roll bands." "Console is what got us all the big rock 'n' roll bands." "We're digging out all this" "Big rock 'n' roll bands." "We're digging out all this stuff, and I never dreamed, in a" "We're digging out all this stuff, and I never dreamed, in a million years, I could find" "Stuff, and I never dreamed, in a million years, I could find this." "Million years, I could find this." "Here's the original order for" "This." "Here's the original order for the neve console." "Here's the original order for the neve console." "oh,mygod." "The neve console." "oh,mygod." "Really?" "oh,mygod." "Really?" "Wow!" "Really?" "Wow!" "And whose signature -- is that" "Wow!" "And whose signature -- is that rupert neve's signature?" "And whose signature -- is that rupert neve's signature?" "Who's that?" "Rupert neve's signature?" "Who's that?" "I'mgonnagivethattoyouif" "Who's that?" "I'mgonnagivethattoyouif  you'd like it." "I'mgonnagivethattoyouif  you'd like it." "tom,thankyousomuch ,man." "You'd like it." "tom,thankyousomuch ,man." "you'rewelcome." "tom,thankyousomuch ,man." "you'rewelcome." "Historic document, there." "you'rewelcome." "Historic document, there." "itreallyis ." "Historic document, there." "itreallyis ." "Thank you very much, my friend." "itreallyis ." "Thank you very much, my friend." "thankyou." "Thank you very much, my friend." "thankyou." "tom,that'sgreat,man ." "thankyou." "tom,that'sgreat,man ." "Wow!" "tom,that'sgreat,man ." "Wow!" "thatneveconsole,wesold to" "Wow!" "thatneveconsole,wesold to dave, and that's how all this thatneveconsole,wesold to dave, and that's how all this all started." "allright." "Let'sdothis ." "tome,it 's,like--it's a living, breathing piece of the music that we've made." "Living, breathing piece of the music that we've made." "It's just as instrumental as any" "Music that we've made." "It's just as instrumental as any instrument that's run through" "It's just as instrumental as any instrument that's run through it." "Instrument that's run through it." "It's the sound of the records" "It." "It's the sound of the records that were made at sound city." "It's the sound of the records that were made at sound city." "This thing is a piece of" "That were made at sound city." "This thing is a piece of rock 'n' roll history." "This thing is a piece of rock 'n' roll history." "I thought that board would" "Rock 'n' roll history." "I thought that board would just go straight to the" "I thought that board would just go straight to the rock 'n' roll hall of fame." "Just go straight to the rock 'n' roll hall of fame." "I thought no one was gonna get" "Rock 'n' roll hall of fame." "I thought no one was gonna get that board." "I think they knew, like, I wasn't just gonna bubble-wrap it and stick it in a warehouse." "I was gonna fucking use it..." "A lot." "Trying to pull it through a" "A lot." "Trying to pull it through a window." "Trying to pull it through a window." "[ laughs ]" "Window." "[ laughs ] Ispentso muchtimesitting [ laughs ] Ispentso muchtimesitting over here, playing with these" "Ispentso muchtimesitting over here, playing with these things." "Over here, playing with these things." "[ laughter ]" "Things." "[ laughter ] well,wasit stillsitting [ laughter ] well,wasit stillsitting there, dave?" "well,wasit stillsitting there, dave?" "yeah,youknow,ithadbeen" "There, dave?" "yeah,youknow,ithadbeen working." "yeah,youknow,ithadbeen working." "So, the first thing I really" "Working." "So, the first thing I really wanted to do was invite everyone" "So, the first thing I really wanted to do was invite everyone back to make this new record." "Wanted to do was invite everyone back to make this new record." "Giving that old board this new" "Back to make this new record." "Giving that old board this new life with new music." "Giving that old board this new life with new music." "[ stevie nicks'" "Life with new music." "[ stevie nicks' "you can't fix this" plays ] [ stevie nicks' "you can't fix this" plays ] telling the story of sound city" ""you can't fix this" plays ] telling the story of sound city is one thing." "Telling the story of sound city is one thing." "Plugging in and actually putting" "Is one thing." "Plugging in and actually putting it through the board and putting" "Plugging in and actually putting it through the board and putting it on a 2-inch reel?" "It through the board and putting it on a 2-inch reel?" "That's what I'm talking about." "♪theydon'ttalkmuch about it ♪ ♪ it goes back so many years" "It ♪ ♪ it goes back so many years ♪ all the times we almost didn't" "♪ it goes back so many years ♪ all the times we almost didn't make it ♪" "♪ we stayed clear ♪ we walked through the darkness ♪" "♪ we walked through the darkness ♪ ♪ and made a pact not to dance" "Darkness ♪ ♪ and made a pact not to dance with the devil ♪" "♪ and made a pact not to dance with the devil ♪ ♪ even when the devil seemed to" "With the devil ♪ ♪ even when the devil seemed to have a heart ♪" "♪ even when the devil seemed to have a heart ♪ ♪ he said we'd never be sorry" "Have a heart ♪ ♪ he said we'd never be sorry ♪ for what we've done" "♪ he said we'd never be sorry ♪ for what we've done ♪ and we never allowed the devil" "♪ for what we've done ♪ and we never allowed the devil to come to the party ♪" "♪ and we never allowed the devil to come to the party ♪ I messed up." "To come to the party ♪ I messed up." "it'samazing." "I messed up." "it'samazing." "Want to do another?" "it'samazing." "Want to do another?" "sure." "Want to do another?" "sure." "youwantto takeitup sure." "youwantto takeitup through verse one and verse two, youwantto takeitup through verse one and verse two, up to that first chorus?" "Through verse one and verse two, up to that first chorus?" "yeah." "Up to that first chorus?" "yeah." "whatwe'rehopingtodoon  yeah." "whatwe'rehopingtodoon  this album is to catch a little whatwe'rehopingtodoon  this album is to catch a little bit of that vibe that was" "This album is to catch a little bit of that vibe that was captured when all those classic" "Bit of that vibe that was captured when all those classic records were made at sound city." "Captured when all those classic records were made at sound city." "We'll try to put some of that" "Records were made at sound city." "We'll try to put some of that into this album." "We'll try to put some of that into this album." "♪..." "Sorry" "Into this album." "♪..." "Sorry ♪ for what we've done" "♪..." "Sorry ♪ for what we've done ♪ and we never allowed the devil" "♪ for what we've done ♪ and we never allowed the devil to come to the party ♪" "♪ and we never allowed the devil to come to the party ♪ ♪ you can't fix this" "To come to the party ♪ ♪ you can't fix this ♪ you lost a friend" "♪ you can't fix this ♪ you lost a friend ♪ hearts breaking" "♪ you lost a friend ♪ hearts breaking ♪ right and left" "♪ hearts breaking ♪ right and left fuckin'" a."" "♪ right and left fuckin'" a." that girl can sing." "fuckin'" a." that girl can sing." "anyinputfromthe foos?" "That girl can sing." "anyinputfromthe foos?" "justgo." "anyinputfromthe foos?" "justgo." "I'm not -- just do what you do." "justgo." "I'm not -- just do what you do." "Iamkindofradical,you" "I'm not -- just do what you do." "Iamkindofradical,you know." "Iamkindofradical,you know." "♪ never dance with the devil" "Know." "♪ never dance with the devil ♪ keep running, yeah" "♪ never dance with the devil ♪ keep running, yeah there'sa reasonwhythese" "♪ keep running, yeah there'sa reasonwhythese people have achieved these there'sa reasonwhythese people have achieved these things that they've achieved." "People have achieved these things that they've achieved." "You can hear it." "You can see it." "Things that they've achieved." "You can hear it." "You can see it." "♪don'teverdancewith the" "You can hear it." "You can see it." "♪don'teverdancewith the devil ♪" "♪don'teverdancewith the devil ♪ ♪ he will burn you dow-ow-n" "Devil ♪ ♪ he will burn you dow-ow-n ♪ you can't fix this" "♪ he will burn you dow-ow-n ♪ you can't fix this [ music fades ]" "♪ you can't fix this [ music fades ] that'srad." "Soundsrad ." "[ music fades ] that'srad." "Soundsrad ." "andI getto do my snake that'srad." "Soundsrad ." "andI getto do my snake dance." "andI getto do my snake dance." "[ laughter ]" "Dance." "[ laughter ] I'm just feeling very wonderful [ laughter ] I'm just feeling very wonderful to be in your studio with this" "I'm just feeling very wonderful to be in your studio with this board and know that this board" "To be in your studio with this board and know that this board was the first place that we did" "Board and know that this board was the first place that we did "buckingham nicks."" "Was the first place that we did "buckingham nicks." "15458 cabrito road, van nuys," ""buckingham nicks." "15458 cabrito road, van nuys, california."" ""15458 cabrito road, van nuys, california." this is a letter that I wrote to" "California." this is a letter that I wrote to my mom and dad and my brother in" "This is a letter that I wrote to my mom and dad and my brother in the middle of the making of" "My mom and dad and my brother in the middle of the making of "buckingham nicks."" "The middle of the making of "buckingham nicks." "dear mom and dad and chris," ""buckingham nicks." "dear mom and dad and chris, well, here I am once again at" ""dear mom and dad and chris, well, here I am once again at the famous sound city recording" "Well, here I am once again at the famous sound city recording studio."" "The famous sound city recording studio." "sound city, inc."" "Studio." "sound city, inc." ta-da!" ""sound city, inc." ta-da!" ""I'm getting very tired of" "Ta-da!" ""I'm getting very tired of sitting around listening to" ""I'm getting very tired of sitting around listening to 12 hours of music per day." "Sitting around listening to 12 hours of music per day." "Oh, well." "12 hours of music per day." "Oh, well." "I know it will pay off in the" "Oh, well." "I know it will pay off in the end." "I know it will pay off in the end." "It will all be worth it." "End." "It will all be worth it." "I hope that all of my little" "It will all be worth it." "I hope that all of my little family is doing fine and not" "I hope that all of my little family is doing fine and not working too hard." "Family is doing fine and not working too hard." "Moving right along, I just want" "Working too hard." "Moving right along, I just want to say that I certainly do miss" "Moving right along, I just want to say that I certainly do miss you all and wish you could be" "To say that I certainly do miss you all and wish you could be here to hear some of this stuff." "You all and wish you could be here to hear some of this stuff." "Lindsey may go down in history" "Here to hear some of this stuff." "Lindsey may go down in history as one of the greats in guitar" "Lindsey may go down in history as one of the greats in guitar playing." "As one of the greats in guitar playing." "It really is quite amazing." "Playing." "It really is quite amazing." "Well, no more news as of yet." "It really is quite amazing." "Well, no more news as of yet." "So much love to you all, and" "Well, no more news as of yet." "So much love to you all, and hold good thoughts about this" "So much love to you all, and hold good thoughts about this thing." "Hold good thoughts about this thing." "I love you." "Stevie."" "Ithinkit reallyisa  testament to how many people actually did love sound city and" "Testament to how many people actually did love sound city and do love that neve console and" "Actually did love sound city and do love that neve console and want to be part of history." "Iwasbraggingtoeverybody." ""guess who I'm calling tonight?" "Rick fucking springfield."" ""guess who I'm calling tonight?" "Rick fucking springfield." [ guitar solo plays ]" "I'vealwaysjustbeenabig  believer in the power of the song." "Believer in the power of the song." "To me, the highest I ever feel" "Song." "To me, the highest I ever feel is in the middle of writing a" "To me, the highest I ever feel is in the middle of writing a song that I think I've hooked" "Is in the middle of writing a song that I think I've hooked into something, you know?" "Song that I think I've hooked into something, you know?" "I had an idea." "Into something, you know?" "I had an idea." "I don't know if it would work." "I had an idea." "I don't know if it would work." "But would you want to try" "I don't know if it would work." "But would you want to try something?" "But would you want to try something?" "So, if we played over the riff," "Something?" "So, if we played over the riff, it goes..." "So, if we played over the riff, it goes..." "[ vocalizing guitar riff ] that'dbereallycool." "Let's try it from the top and see how that sounds." "Let's try it from the top and see how that sounds." "[ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] yeah." "I think it's a great part." "it'sgot"rickspringfield"" "I think it's a great part." "it'sgot"rickspringfield" written all over it." "it'sgot"rickspringfield" written all over it." "it'sawesome." "Written all over it." "it'sawesome." "Iloveit ." "it'sawesome." "Iloveit ." "It's got that stress rock." "Iloveit ." "It's got that stress rock." "I like that." "It's got that stress rock." "I like that." "Ijustwanttogohangoutin" "I like that." "Ijustwanttogohangoutin the studio." "Ijustwanttogohangoutin the studio." "I just like the process." "The studio." "I just like the process." "I love doing things on the fly" "I just like the process." "I love doing things on the fly and in the studio..." "I love doing things on the fly and in the studio..." "I'mjusttryingtothinkwhat" "And in the studio..." "I'mjusttryingtothinkwhat would be nice to -- if we -- to" "I'mjusttryingtothinkwhat would be nice to -- if we -- to get back into that section." "Would be nice to -- if we -- to get back into that section." "...Andjustkindofplay" "Get back into that section." "...Andjustkindofplay  arrangements in a repetitive ...Andjustkindofplay  arrangements in a repetitive fashion over and over and over" "Arrangements in a repetitive fashion over and over and over until some little change" "Fashion over and over and over until some little change happened." "Until some little change happened." "whatdidyoujustdo?" "Happened." "whatdidyoujustdo?" "You did something kind of cool." "whatdidyoujustdo?" "You did something kind of cool." ""d,"" a."" "You did something kind of cool." ""d,"" a." alittlehappyaccidentor" ""d,"" a." alittlehappyaccidentor whatever, and it's like, alittlehappyaccidentor whatever, and it's like, everyone, "oh, what was that" "Whatever, and it's like, everyone, "oh, what was that that just happened?"" "Everyone, "oh, what was that that just happened?" that's part of the arrangement" "That just happened?" that's part of the arrangement now." "That's part of the arrangement now." "oh,that'dbe so great,and" "Now." "oh,that'dbe so great,and  then right out of there, you oh,that'dbe so great,and  then right out of there, you just fucking go, "aah!"" "Then right out of there, you just fucking go, "aah!" it'stheperfectpairof" "Just fucking go, "aah!" it'stheperfectpairof pants." "it'stheperfectpairof pants." "It really is." "Pants." "It really is." "[ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ]" "It really is." "[ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] butthegoodthingabout [ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] butthegoodthingabout learning while you're recording, butthegoodthingabout learning while you're recording, what you sometimes accidentally" "Learning while you're recording, what you sometimes accidentally get is something good if you" "What you sometimes accidentally get is something good if you don't have any idea what you're" "Get is something good if you don't have any idea what you're doing." "Don't have any idea what you're doing." "andthesenseofdiscovery," "Doing." "andthesenseofdiscovery, like, is a big part of it." "andthesenseofdiscovery, like, is a big part of it." "everybodygetsit allat" "Like, is a big part of it." "everybodygetsit allat once, and that's the first time everybodygetsit allat once, and that's the first time you ever played it, and it's got" "Once, and that's the first time you ever played it, and it's got everything new for the first" "You ever played it, and it's got everything new for the first time." "Everything new for the first time." "It's like your first anything." "Time." "It's like your first anything." "And that's the cherry of all" "It's like your first anything." "And that's the cherry of all time." "And that's the cherry of all time." "whatifwe trieddoingthe" "Time." "whatifwe trieddoingthe rick part as a pre-chorus?" "whatifwe trieddoingthe rick part as a pre-chorus?" "yes!" "Ha!" "Rick part as a pre-chorus?" "yes!" "Ha!" "That's so good!" "yes!" "Ha!" "That's so good!" "[laughs]" "That's so good!" "[laughs] 'causethenit goesintothe [laughs] 'causethenit goesintothe chorus." "'causethenit goesintothe chorus." "That's awesome!" "Chorus." "That's awesome!" "betterbegoodnow ,pat ." "That's awesome!" "betterbegoodnow ,pat ." "Iknow." "betterbegoodnow ,pat ." "Iknow." "[ laughter ] 2." "[ guitar plays ]" "♪I can'tsaythatIlikeher manner ♪ ♪ I can't say that I like her" "Manner ♪ ♪ I can't say that I like her face ♪" "♪ I can't say that I like her face ♪ ♪ I'm carved up on a silver" "Face ♪ ♪ I'm carved up on a silver platter ♪" "♪ I'm carved up on a silver platter ♪ ♪ serve warm" "Platter ♪ ♪ serve warm ♪ she's a real head case" "♪ serve warm ♪ she's a real head case ♪ I won't wait for an" "♪ she's a real head case ♪ I won't wait for an invitation ♪" "♪ I won't wait for an invitation ♪ ♪ I can't stand for the" "Invitation ♪ ♪ I can't stand for the sacrifice ♪" "♪ I can't stand for the sacrifice ♪ ♪ I won't die as an unknown" "Sacrifice ♪ ♪ I won't die as an unknown soldier ♪" "♪ I won't die as an unknown soldier ♪ ♪ I won't even try" "Soldier ♪ ♪ I won't even try wecamein ,we practicedthe" "♪ I won't even try wecamein ,we practicedthe  song, played it a few times -- wecamein ,we practicedthe  song, played it a few times -- kind of a bunch of times -- and" "Song, played it a few times -- kind of a bunch of times -- and we did it live." "Kind of a bunch of times -- and we did it live." "How special was that?" "We did it live." "How special was that?" "♪justlikethe man that" "How special was that?" "♪justlikethe man that never was ♪" "♪justlikethe man that never was ♪ ♪ just like" "Never was ♪ ♪ just like ♪ just like" "♪ just like ♪ just like ♪ just like the man that never" "♪ just like ♪ just like the man that never was ♪" "♪ just like the man that never was ♪ ♪ just like the man that never" "Was ♪ ♪ just like the man that never was ♪" "All the elements of it -- the playing, the writing -- it's something that will pull you out" "Playing, the writing -- it's something that will pull you out of bed every morning and make" "Something that will pull you out of bed every morning and make you resist going to bed at" "Of bed every morning and make you resist going to bed at night, 'cause you want to keep" "You resist going to bed at night, 'cause you want to keep working on it." "Night, 'cause you want to keep working on it." "Music's been that for me." "Working on it." "Music's been that for me." "♪ I am the man that never was [ music stops ] great." "Thankyou." "there'sdarknessin you,boy ." "great." "Thankyou." "there'sdarknessin you,boy ." "oh,yeah,alot ofdarkness there'sdarknessin you,boy ." "oh,yeah,alot ofdarkness in me." "oh,yeah,alot ofdarkness in me." "it'sdarkandsocool ,man." "In me." "it'sdarkandsocool ,man." "I'vespentalot oftime in it'sdarkandsocool ,man." "I'vespentalot oftime in front of that board." "I'vespentalot oftime in front of that board." "Thanks, dave." "Front of that board." "Thanks, dave." "It's a great enabler." "Thanks, dave." "It's a great enabler." "great,man." "It's a great enabler." "great,man." "Anybody that's been to great,man." "Anybody that's been to sound city knows exactly why I'm" "Anybody that's been to sound city knows exactly why I'm making this record." "Sound city knows exactly why I'm making this record." "They get it." "Making this record." "They get it." "I have an idea." "They get it." "I have an idea." "Why don't we just start it" "I have an idea." "Why don't we just start it lee ving style where you go..." "Why don't we just start it lee ving style where you go..." "1, 2, 3, 4!" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "Lee ving style where you go..." "1, 2, 3, 4!" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "oh,I 'monit !" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "oh,I 'monit !" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "oh,I 'monit !" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "1, 2, 3, 4!" "[ "your wife is calling" plays ]" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪tellherI'm not here ♪yourwifeiscalling" "♪tellherI'm not here ♪yourwifeiscalling ♪justhavingone beer" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪justhavingone beer ♪ your wife is calling" "♪dauberfrau♪ ♪yourwifeiscalling ♪behomeinhalf anhour" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪behomeinhalf anhour ♪yourwifeiscalling" "♪behomeinhalf anhour ♪yourwifeiscalling ♪yousaysomething,dear ?" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪yousaysomething,dear ?" "♪yourwifeiscalling" "♪yousaysomething,dear ?" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪justhavingmorebeer" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪justhavingmorebeer  ♪yourwifeiscalling" "♪justhavingmorebeer  ♪yourwifeiscalling ♪you'venottofear" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪you'venottofear  ♪yourwifeiscalling" "♪you'venottofear  ♪yourwifeiscalling ♪liftyourvoice,sing for" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪liftyourvoice,sing for beer ♪" "♪liftyourvoice,sing for beer ♪ [ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] inthestudio,you 'retrying to boost your own performance from the energy that you're" "To boost your own performance from the energy that you're feeding from in your partners." "From the energy that you're feeding from in your partners." "♪yourwifeiscalling" "Feeding from in your partners." "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪ your wife is calling" "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪ your wife is calling youcan'tdo thatifyou're" "♪ your wife is calling youcan'tdo thatifyou're standing there alone." "♪yourwifeiscalling ♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling" "♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling" "♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling" "♪ your wife is calling ♪ your wife is calling [ music stops ]" "♪ your wife is calling [ music stops ] [ laughter ] [ music stops ] [ laughter ] fuck,yeah." "[ laughter ] fuck,yeah." "It's a conversation, and that's fuck,yeah." "It's a conversation, and that's a musical relationship that I" "It's a conversation, and that's a musical relationship that I think everybody searches for." "A musical relationship that I think everybody searches for." "[ soft music plays ]" "Ithinkthedownsidethese days is thinking that, "I can do this all on my own."" "Days is thinking that, "I can do this all on my own." yes, you can do this all on your" "This all on my own." yes, you can do this all on your own, but you'll be a much" "Yes, you can do this all on your own, but you'll be a much happier human being to do it" "Own, but you'll be a much happier human being to do it with other human beings, and I" "Happier human being to do it with other human beings, and I can guarantee you that." "howwouldyoudefine"feel"?" "feelis-- is justapart of who you are." "feelis-- is justapart of who you are." "It just comes from where you " "Who you are." "It just comes from where you -- where you're coming from" "It just comes from where you -- where you're coming from it'sjusttheway yourheart" "Where you're coming from it'sjusttheway yourheart beats, you know?" "Everybody's heart beats a little different." "Everybody's got a little" "Different." "Everybody's got a little different feel." "Everybody's got a little different feel." ""feel"doesn'tmeanyou 'rein" "Different feel." ""feel"doesn'tmeanyou 'rein time." ""feel"doesn'tmeanyou 'rein time." "You know, 'cause something might" "Time." "You know, 'cause something might have a really out-of-time kind" "You know, 'cause something might have a really out-of-time kind of feel." "Have a really out-of-time kind of feel." "It might be gloriously out of" "Of feel." "It might be gloriously out of tune and just be awesome." "it'sa chemistry-- something that happens between people." "Feel is not something that you learn in a book." "Feel is something that you find" "Learn in a book." "Feel is something that you find as a musician." "Feel is something that you find as a musician." "it'slikewhenyou takeina" "As a musician." "it'slikewhenyou takeina breath, your body swells up." "it'slikewhenyou takeina breath, your body swells up." "When you exhale, it collapses a" "Breath, your body swells up." "When you exhale, it collapses a bit, and sometimes music does" "When you exhale, it collapses a bit, and sometimes music does that so subtle." "Bit, and sometimes music does that so subtle." "But feel is being human." "That so subtle." "But feel is being human." "[ "if I were me" continues ] notwomusiciansare the  same, even if we're playing the same song." "Same, even if we're playing the same song." "No two musicians do it the same" "Same song." "No two musicians do it the same way." "No two musicians do it the same way." "it'ssohardtobeunderstood" "Way." "it'ssohardtobeunderstood in life, and that's why, when it'ssohardtobeunderstood in life, and that's why, when you meet someone where you" "In life, and that's why, when you meet someone where you understand each other at that" "You meet someone where you understand each other at that moment, you sort of want to hold" "Understand each other at that moment, you sort of want to hold on to it, you know?" "Moment, you sort of want to hold on to it, you know?" "When someone has great feel," "On to it, you know?" "When someone has great feel, whether it's a drummer or a" "When someone has great feel, whether it's a drummer or a guitar player, it kind of makes" "Whether it's a drummer or a guitar player, it kind of makes you fall in love with their" "Guitar player, it kind of makes you fall in love with their personality." "You fall in love with their personality." "You realize what a beautiful" "Personality." "You realize what a beautiful person they are, you know?" "You realize what a beautiful person they are, you know?" "[ music fades ]" "Person they are, you know?" "[ music fades ] [ guitar plays up-tempo music ] [ music fades ] [ guitar plays up-tempo music ] [ music stops ] [ guitar plays up-tempo music ] [ music stops ] [ guitar plays up-tempo music ] there'sa lotof people growing up now that won't do studio time and have never" "Growing up now that won't do studio time and have never touched a compressor that's the" "Studio time and have never touched a compressor that's the one that's being emulated as the" "Touched a compressor that's the one that's being emulated as the picture on their plug-in on" "One that's being emulated as the picture on their plug-in on their laptop." "Picture on their plug-in on their laptop." "They're missing out on" "Their laptop." "They're missing out on something." "They're missing out on something." "You know?" "Something." "You know?" "[ hi-hat cymbals play ] [ drum plays ] [ guitar plays mid-tempo music ] trentisusingtechnologyas an instrument, not as a crutch." "He doesn't need it." "An instrument, not as a crutch." "He doesn't need it." "He's one of the most brilliant" "He doesn't need it." "He's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in my" "He's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in my entire life." "People I've ever met in my entire life." "He's the person that could" "Entire life." "He's the person that could inspire the digital end of this" "He's the person that could inspire the digital end of this conversation." "Inspire the digital end of this conversation." "[ music stops ]" "Conversation." "[ music stops ] hey,youguys,nofuckingway [ music stops ] hey,youguys,nofuckingway with the smoke machine." "hey,youguys,nofuckingway with the smoke machine." "[ laughing ] there's no fucking" "With the smoke machine." "[ laughing ] there's no fucking way that's gonna go down." "[ laughing ] there's no fucking way that's gonna go down." "I'lltakethesmokemachine" "Way that's gonna go down." "I'lltakethesmokemachine in here." "I'lltakethesmokemachine in here." "[ "mantra" plays ]" "In here." "[ "mantra" plays ] mygrandmapushedmeinto" "[ "mantra" plays ] mygrandmapushedmeinto  piano." "mygrandmapushedmeinto  piano." "I remember, when I was 5, I" "Piano." "I remember, when I was 5, I started taking classical" "I remember, when I was 5, I started taking classical lessons." "Started taking classical lessons." "I liked it, and I felt I was" "Lessons." "I liked it, and I felt I was good at it." "I liked it, and I felt I was good at it." "I knew, in life, I was supposed" "Good at it." "I knew, in life, I was supposed to make music." "I knew, in life, I was supposed to make music." "Feels like a need a" "To make music." "Feels like a need a differentiator there -- a cool" "Feels like a need a differentiator there -- a cool bass part." "Differentiator there -- a cool bass part." "[ music continues ]" "The sound I have is not right." "That's not helping things at the moment." "That's not helping things at the moment." "Icoulddo betterthanthat ." "Moment." "Icoulddo betterthanthat ." "[ drum plays ]" "Icoulddo betterthanthat ." "[ drum plays ] areyouhearingsomethingyou [ drum plays ] areyouhearingsomethingyou want to try with the bass here?" "areyouhearingsomethingyou want to try with the bass here?" "You're not stepping on my toes." "Want to try with the bass here?" "You're not stepping on my toes." "[ music takes on syncopated" "You're not stepping on my toes." "[ music takes on syncopated rhythm ]" "I practiced long and hard and studied and learned how to play an instrument that provided me a" "Studied and learned how to play an instrument that provided me a foundation where I can base" "An instrument that provided me a foundation where I can base everything I think of in terms" "Foundation where I can base everything I think of in terms of where it sits on the piano." "Everything I think of in terms of where it sits on the piano." "Isortof likedthat,atone" "Of where it sits on the piano." "Isortof likedthat,atone point, it kind of got there, and" "Isortof likedthat,atone point, it kind of got there, and then it backed off." "Point, it kind of got there, and then it backed off." "itcankindofbroodandbe" "Then it backed off." "itcankindofbroodandbe  really simple and empty and sort itcankindofbroodandbe  really simple and empty and sort of kind of like lift the curtain" "Really simple and empty and sort of kind of like lift the curtain on it, and it can expand." "Of kind of like lift the curtain on it, and it can expand." "[ music stops ]" "On it, and it can expand." "[ music stops ] allright,canIjust say [ music stops ] allright,canIjust say that that is fucking awesome?" "allright,canIjust say that that is fucking awesome?" "That, right there, sounds so" "That that is fucking awesome?" "That, right there, sounds so fucking beautiful." "That, right there, sounds so fucking beautiful." "I really like the sound of these" "Fucking beautiful." "I really like the sound of these three things together." "I really like the sound of these three things together." "I think it sounds really cool." "Three things together." "I think it sounds really cool." "okay,thenlet'skeepdoing" "I think it sounds really cool." "okay,thenlet'skeepdoing it that way." "okay,thenlet'skeepdoing it that way." "[ music resumes ]" "It that way." "[ music resumes ] thiswholethingshouldjust  [ music resumes ] thiswholethingshouldjust  sunrise." "thiswholethingshouldjust  sunrise." "It would make it beautiful," "Sunrise." "It would make it beautiful, you know?" "It would make it beautiful, you know?" "It sort of, like, evolves until" "You know?" "It sort of, like, evolves until it hits this point and maybe" "It sort of, like, evolves until it hits this point and maybe goes zoom!" "It hits this point and maybe goes zoom!" "[ bass guitar solo ]" "Goes zoom!" "[ bass guitar solo ] when I'm writing music today, [ bass guitar solo ] when I'm writing music today, rarely do I sit down and think," "When I'm writing music today, rarely do I sit down and think, "oh, this should resolve to that" "Rarely do I sit down and think, "oh, this should resolve to that suspended..."" ""oh, this should resolve to that suspended..." you know, I don't think of that" "Suspended..." you know, I don't think of that shit." "You know, I don't think of that shit." "But, subconsciously, I know I" "Shit." "But, subconsciously, I know I do." "But, subconsciously, I know I do." "And just when you've sold that" "Do." "And just when you've sold that enough, that's the time to" "And just when you've sold that enough, that's the time to change to an ending and sort of" "Enough, that's the time to change to an ending and sort of like let it rip a little bit." "Change to an ending and sort of like let it rip a little bit." "You know what I mean?" "Like let it rip a little bit." "You know what I mean?" "[ music intensifies ]" "You know what I mean?" "[ music intensifies ] I like having that foundation in [ music intensifies ] I like having that foundation in there, and that's a very" "I like having that foundation in there, and that's a very un-punk-rock thing to say." "There, and that's a very un-punk-rock thing to say." "[ music intensifies ]" "But understanding an instrument and thinking about it and learning that skill has been" "And thinking about it and learning that skill has been invaluable to me." "Learning that skill has been invaluable to me." "[ music softens ]" "Invaluable to me." "[ music softens ] [ music stops ] [ music softens ] [ music stops ] [sighing]ah." "[ music stops ] [sighing]ah." "That was pretty good." "[sighing]ah." "That was pretty good." "soundedprettygoodtome," "That was pretty good." "soundedprettygoodtome, too." "soundedprettygoodtome, too." "I've found now, as processors" "Too." "I've found now, as processors have gotten faster and" "I've found now, as processors have gotten faster and programmers have gotten" "Have gotten faster and programmers have gotten smarter..." "Programmers have gotten smarter..." "[ chord plays ]" "Smarter..." "[ chord plays ] ...There's some pretty music [ chord plays ] ...There's some pretty music tools that are showing up in the ...There's some pretty music tools that are showing up in the digital world." "Tools that are showing up in the digital world." "yeah,takeme to thetop of" "Digital world." "yeah,takeme to thetop of the drop." "yeah,takeme to thetop of the drop." "[ music resumes ]" "The tools are better." "You know, tools are much better today than they were five years" "You know, tools are much better today than they were five years ago -- certainly, 30 years ago." "Today than they were five years ago -- certainly, 30 years ago." "[ music continues ]" "Ago -- certainly, 30 years ago." "[ music continues ] now that everyone is empowered [ music continues ] now that everyone is empowered with these tools to create" "Now that everyone is empowered with these tools to create stuff, has there been a lot more" "With these tools to create stuff, has there been a lot more great shit coming out?" "Stuff, has there been a lot more great shit coming out?" "Not really." "Great shit coming out?" "Not really." "You still have to have something" "Not really." "You still have to have something to do with those tools." "You still have to have something to do with those tools." "[ music fades ]" "To do with those tools." "[ music fades ] rad." "[ music fades ] rad." "Yeah, just, you know... rad." "Yeah, just, you know..." "youshouldreallytry tohave" "Yeah, just, you know..." "youshouldreallytry tohave  something to say." "youshouldreallytry tohave  something to say." "[ canned air whooshing ]" "Something to say." "[ canned air whooshing ] itallstartedwiththis idea  [ canned air whooshing ] itallstartedwiththis idea  that I wanted to tell the story itallstartedwiththis idea  that I wanted to tell the story of the board." "That I wanted to tell the story of the board." "The conversation became" "Of the board." "The conversation became something much bigger." "The conversation became something much bigger." "Like, in this age of technology," "Something much bigger." "Like, in this age of technology, where you can simulate or" "Like, in this age of technology, where you can simulate or manipulate anything, how do we" "Where you can simulate or manipulate anything, how do we retain that human element?" "Manipulate anything, how do we retain that human element?" "How do we keep music to sound" "Retain that human element?" "How do we keep music to sound like people -- that feeling that" "How do we keep music to sound like people -- that feeling that I got when I was young -- "oh," "Like people -- that feeling that I got when I was young -- "oh, I can do that, too"?" "I got when I was young -- "oh, I can do that, too"?" "let'sgodo it ." "I can do that, too"?" "let'sgodo it ." "mymusicalfoundationwas  let'sgodo it ." "mymusicalfoundationwas  the beatles." "mymusicalfoundationwas  the beatles." "Everything I know about playing" "The beatles." "Everything I know about playing guitar and song structure," "Everything I know about playing guitar and song structure, composition, all of it, it all" "Guitar and song structure, composition, all of it, it all started with the beatles." "Composition, all of it, it all started with the beatles." "I like the chandelier, too, man." "Started with the beatles." "I like the chandelier, too, man." "It's a nice touch." "I like the chandelier, too, man." "It's a nice touch." "um,so,we don'tknowwhat" "It's a nice touch." "um,so,we don'tknowwhat  we're doing... um,so,we don'tknowwhat  we're doing..." "[chuckles]" "We're doing..." "[chuckles] ...Sowecanjustdo [chuckles] ...Sowecanjustdo anything." "...Sowecanjustdo anything." "Just -- yeah." "Anything." "Just -- yeah." "[ "cut me some slack" plays ]" "Ithinkhe knowshow you feel when you play with him." "I don't know." "When you play with him." "I don't know." "I can't really describe it." "I don't know." "I can't really describe it." "I drop from the most nervous" "I can't really describe it." "I drop from the most nervous I've ever been down to like," "I drop from the most nervous I've ever been down to like, "oh, this is -- okay."" "I've ever been down to like, "oh, this is -- okay." [ laughs ]" ""oh, this is -- okay." [ laughs ] yeah!" "[ laughs ] yeah!" "Yeah." "yeah!" "Yeah." "♪ mama" "Yeah." "♪ mama ♪ won't you set me free?" "♪ mama ♪ let me be abouthalfwaythroughthe  session, I kind of looked over at krist when we were playing," "Session, I kind of looked over at krist when we were playing, and we were going for it." "At krist when we were playing, and we were going for it." "And you know, krist was moving" "And we were going for it." "And you know, krist was moving the way he used to move, and you" "And you know, krist was moving the way he used to move, and you were getting into it..." "The way he used to move, and you were getting into it..." "[chuckles]" "Were getting into it..." "[chuckles] ...AndI wasplaying." "[chuckles] ...AndI wasplaying." "And I thought, "oh, my god!" "...AndI wasplaying." "And I thought, "oh, my god!" "This is like nirvana!"" "And I thought, "oh, my god!" "This is like nirvana!" and then, "wait." "This is like nirvana!" and then, "wait." "Paul mccartney is here?"" "And then, "wait." "Paul mccartney is here?" [laughing]" "Paul mccartney is here?" [laughing] [ music continues ] thisisthebestwaytomake records, when you get people in a room together and you don't" "Records, when you get people in a room together and you don't know what's gonna happen." "A room together and you don't know what's gonna happen." "You just hit "record" and keep" "Know what's gonna happen." "You just hit "record" and keep your fingers crossed that it's" "You just hit "record" and keep your fingers crossed that it's gonna explode." "Your fingers crossed that it's gonna explode." "[ "cut me some slack" plays]" "Gonna explode." "[ "cut me some slack" plays] ♪mama!" "thelimitationsof this--it forces you to make decisions based on what's most important" "Forces you to make decisions based on what's most important to translating that song." "ifwestart..." "♪ gah gah gah gah ♪ gah gah gah" "♪ gah gah gah gah ♪ gah gah gah oneofthethings,Ithink ," "♪ gah gah gah oneofthethings,Ithink , that makes good music is some oneofthethings,Ithink , that makes good music is some sort of restriction." "That makes good music is some sort of restriction." "And then you want to go to" "Sort of restriction." "And then you want to go to the -- should we -- and then go" "And then you want to go to the -- should we -- and then go into the..." "The -- should we -- and then go into the..." "[ guitar plays ]" "Into the..." "[ guitar plays ] andthat'swhere24-track [ guitar plays ] andthat'swhere24-track mentality comes in." "andthat'swhere24-track mentality comes in." "You commit to what it is." "Mentality comes in." "You commit to what it is." "With pro tools, you can always" "You commit to what it is." "With pro tools, you can always come back to it, or you can" "With pro tools, you can always come back to it, or you can change it or you can add to it," "Come back to it, or you can change it or you can add to it, to try and make it work." "Change it or you can add to it, to try and make it work." "You know?" "To try and make it work." "You know?" "'cause you're not being forced" "You know?" "'cause you're not being forced to make choices -- creative 'cause you're not being forced to make choices -- creative ones." "To make choices -- creative ones." "maybethengo to the..." "Ones." "maybethengo to the..." "♪ "a"" "maybethengo to the..." "♪ "a" [ vocalizing ]" "♪ "a" [ vocalizing ] ♪ we don't know what's gonna [ vocalizing ] ♪ we don't know what's gonna come on top of this ♪" "♪ we don't know what's gonna come on top of this ♪ ♪ but something is" "Come on top of this ♪ ♪ but something is [ vocalizing ]" "♪ but something is [ vocalizing ] ♪ that, we'll find out later [ vocalizing ] ♪ that, we'll find out later ♪ and then go to the riff" "♪ that, we'll find out later ♪ and then go to the riff ♪ breakdown" "♪ and then go to the riff ♪ breakdown [ vocalizing ]" "♪ breakdown [ vocalizing ] like the intro." "[ vocalizing ] like the intro." "Ithinkyoushouldgoto that" "Like the intro." "Ithinkyoushouldgoto that "a" maybe one more time." "Ithinkyoushouldgoto that "a" maybe one more time." "It's such a lift." ""a" maybe one more time." "It's such a lift." "yeah." "It's such a lift." "yeah." "afterstayingin that"d" for  yeah." "afterstayingin that"d" for  so long, it just has such a afterstayingin that"d" for  so long, it just has such a great impact when it goes up" "So long, it just has such a great impact when it goes up there, and it's so quick." "Great impact when it goes up there, and it's so quick." "It's just four times through." "There, and it's so quick." "It's just four times through." "ifthismikewas inthe" "It's just four times through." "ifthismikewas inthe room [speaking indistinctly] ifthismikewas inthe room [speaking indistinctly] so it's live." "Room [speaking indistinctly] so it's live." "that'sallright." "So it's live." "that'sallright." "doit." "Makeitsimple." "that'sallright." "doit." "Makeitsimple." "Make it fast." "doit." "Makeitsimple." "Make it fast." "Don't overthink it." "Make it fast." "Don't overthink it." "Let it, like, come straight out" "Don't overthink it." "Let it, like, come straight out of you, and do it." "[ mid-tempo music plays ] [ music intensifies ]" "♪dearmama ♪ set me free ♪ oh, mama" "♪ set me free ♪ oh, mama ♪ let me be" "♪ oh, mama ♪ let me be ♪ oh, mama" "♪ let me be ♪ oh, mama ♪ watch me run" "♪ oh, mama ♪ watch me run ♪ mama" "♪ watch me run ♪ mama ♪ I wanna have some fun" "♪ mama ♪ I wanna have some fun ♪ whoo ooh-ooh-ooh ooh ooh" "♪ whoo ooh-ooh-ooh ooh ooh [ instrumental music plays ]" "♪ well, mama ♪ don't let me down ♪ mama" "♪ don't let me down ♪ mama ♪ wanna go to town" "♪ mama ♪ wanna go to town ♪ yeah" "♪ wanna go to town ♪ yeah [ instrumental music plays ] [ music fades ] magical." "youdidn'tevenknowwhat the" "Magical." "youdidn'tevenknowwhat the hell you were doing, but it's youdidn'tevenknowwhat the hell you were doing, but it's genius." "Hell you were doing, but it's genius." "exactly." "Genius." "exactly." "that'smyautobiography." "exactly." "that'smyautobiography." ""Ididn'tknowwhatthehell that'smyautobiography." ""Ididn'tknowwhatthehell I was doing."" ""Ididn'tknowwhatthehell I was doing." "Iwasn'tthinking:" "The" "I was doing." "Iwasn'tthinking:" "The  krist novoselic story."" ""Iwasn'tthinking:" "The  krist novoselic story." "whatwasIthinking?"" "Krist novoselic story." "whatwasIthinking?" "Iwasn'tthinking."" ""whatwasIthinking?" "Iwasn'tthinking." there'sa lift." ""Iwasn'tthinking." there'sa lift." "yeah." "there'sa lift." "yeah." "itwouldbe niceifthis  yeah." "itwouldbe niceifthis  would sort of... itwouldbe niceifthis  would sort of..." "yeah." "Would sort of..." "yeah." ""ah."" "yeah." ""ah." maybe even if it came after the" ""ah." maybe even if it came after the lift." "Maybe even if it came after the lift." "[ vocalizing ]" "Lift." "[ vocalizing ] ♪ ah [ vocalizing ] ♪ ah you let the lift happen." "♪ ah you let the lift happen." "And then take it further with a" "You let the lift happen." "And then take it further with a chord -- vocal chord." "And then take it further with a chord -- vocal chord." "yeah." "Chord -- vocal chord." "yeah." "♪ah yeah." "♪ah whatever it is." "♪ah whatever it is." "♪ah" "Whatever it is." "♪ah whosings?" "Youdo?" "♪ah whosings?" "Youdo?" "meandyou." "whosings?" "Youdo?" "meandyou." "krist?" "meandyou." "krist?" "no." "krist?" "no." "no." "I 'mjustchecking." "no." "no." "I 'mjustchecking." "howlongdo youwantto no." "I 'mjustchecking." "howlongdo youwantto be here?" "howlongdo youwantto be here?" "Are you double-parked?" "Be here?" "Are you double-parked?" "justchecking." "Are you double-parked?" "justchecking." "So, let's just try it, and then justchecking." "So, let's just try it, and then you tell us what's wrong with" "So, let's just try it, and then you tell us what's wrong with it." "You tell us what's wrong with it." "yeah,let'stell" "It." "yeah,let'stell paul mccartney what to do." "yeah,let'stell paul mccartney what to do." "[ laughter ]" "Paul mccartney what to do." "[ laughter ] [ "cut me some slack" plays ] [ laughter ] [ "cut me some slack" plays ] ♪ahhhh" "[ "cut me some slack" plays ] ♪ahhhh ♪ ahhhh" "♪ahhhh ♪ ahhhh [ music stops ]" "♪ ahhhh [ music stops ] soundsprettycool." "[ music stops ] soundsprettycool." "shouldwedo it in theother soundsprettycool." "shouldwedo it in theother section, too?" "shouldwedo it in theother section, too?" "okay." "Section, too?" "okay." "whycan'tit alwaysbethis  okay." "whycan'tit alwaysbethis  easy?" "whycan'tit alwaysbethis  easy?" "itis." "Easy?" "itis." "♪ yeah-eah itis." "♪ yeah-eah ♪ whoo-ooh-ooh" "♪ yeah-eah ♪ whoo-ooh-ooh ♪ ahhh" "♪ whoo-ooh-ooh ♪ ahhh ♪ if you want to take a ride," "♪ ahhh ♪ if you want to take a ride, you got to cut me some slack ♪" "♪ if you want to take a ride, you got to cut me some slack ♪ ♪ don't get me wrong" "You got to cut me some slack ♪ ♪ don't get me wrong ♪ I might not come back" "♪ don't get me wrong ♪ I might not come back gettinga chanceto play" "♪ I might not come back gettinga chanceto play music with the person that is gettinga chanceto play music with the person that is the reason why I'm a musician," "Music with the person that is the reason why I'm a musician, and recording through the board" "The reason why I'm a musician, and recording through the board that's the reason why I'm here" "And recording through the board that's the reason why I'm here today, it was a huge full-circle" "That's the reason why I'm here today, it was a huge full-circle moment for me." "Today, it was a huge full-circle moment for me." "[ music intensifies ]" "Ithinkit 'sreally important -- and it's a lesson I didn't learn until in my late" "Important -- and it's a lesson I didn't learn until in my late teens - is that whatever bands" "Didn't learn until in my late teens - is that whatever bands that you love, go find out what" "Teens - is that whatever bands that you love, go find out what bands they love and what bands" "That you love, go find out what bands they love and what bands turn them on." "Bands they love and what bands turn them on." "And then you really start" "Turn them on." "And then you really start getting into the human aspect of" "And then you really start getting into the human aspect of it, because the further back you" "Getting into the human aspect of it, because the further back you go in time, the less technology" "It, because the further back you go in time, the less technology you had and, consequently, the" "Go in time, the less technology you had and, consequently, the better records that you had." "There's this incredible library of music, thank god, that is still there." "Of music, thank god, that is still there." "[ music continues ]" "♪ahhh ♪ if you want to take a ride, you got to cut me some slack ♪" "♪ if you want to take a ride, you got to cut me some slack ♪ ♪ don't get me wrong" "You got to cut me some slack ♪ ♪ don't get me wrong ♪ I might not come back" "♪ don't get me wrong ♪ I might not come back ♪ whoo ooh-ooh-ooh ooh ooh" "♪ I might not come back ♪ whoo ooh-ooh-ooh ooh ooh ♪ whoo ooh-ooh-ooh ooh ooh betrueto yourselfand make the music that you love." "Go out and play." "The music that you love." "Go out and play." "Turn people on to your music." "Go out and play." "Turn people on to your music." "Spread it yourself." "Turn people on to your music." "Spread it yourself." "Don't think it happens any other" "Spread it yourself." "Don't think it happens any other way." "Don't think it happens any other way." "♪letme be" "Way." "♪letme be  let'srock,let'splay,let's" "♪letme be  let'srock,let'splay,let's record, let's play it back." ""wait till you hear this." I can't wait to get in my car to hear it." "I can't wait to get in my car to hear it." "I'm gonna play it for my friend." "Hear it." "I'm gonna play it for my friend." "I'm making a copy." "I'm gonna play it for my friend." "I'm making a copy." "I'm gonna blast for fucking" "I'm making a copy." "I'm gonna blast for fucking 10 hours, and I'm gonna listen" "I'm gonna blast for fucking 10 hours, and I'm gonna listen to it." "10 hours, and I'm gonna listen to it." "♪mama,ma-ma-mamawatchme" "To it." "♪mama,ma-ma-mamawatchme go ♪" "♪mama,ma-ma-mamawatchme go ♪ ♪ mama, watch me rock" "Go ♪ ♪ mama, watch me rock ♪ wanna have some fun" "♪ mama, watch me rock ♪ wanna have some fun ♪ just wanna have some fun" "♪ wanna have some fun ♪ just wanna have some fun ♪ yeah, set me free" "♪ just wanna have some fun ♪ yeah, set me free ♪ set me free" "♪ yeah, set me free ♪ set me free ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah" "♪ set me free ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ohhhhhh, yeah" "♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ohhhhhh, yeah ♪ whoo" "♪ ohhhhhh, yeah ♪ whoo [ extended guitar chord ] [ music stops ] [ up-tempo rock 'n' roll plays ] [singingindistinctly] whatwasthenameofyour first band?" "theicyblues." "First band?" "theicyblues." "itwascalledbloodfest." "theicyblues." "itwascalledbloodfest." "Yeah!" "Good name." "itwascalledbloodfest." "Yeah!" "Good name." "myfirstbandwas called" "Yeah!" "Good name." "myfirstbandwas called fury, and we were a kiss cover myfirstbandwas called fury, and we were a kiss cover band." "Fury, and we were a kiss cover band." "whichwasyourfavorite?" "Band." "whichwasyourfavorite?" "myfavoritekissrecord?" "whichwasyourfavorite?" "myfavoritekissrecord?" "yeah." "myfavoritekissrecord?" "yeah." "oh,I " "I couldnever yeah." "oh,I " "I couldnever choose." "oh,I " "I couldnever choose." "whatwasyourfirstband ?" "Choose." "whatwasyourfirstband ?" "myfirstbandwas autocracy." "whatwasyourfirstband ?" "myfirstbandwas autocracy." "Huh?" "myfirstbandwas autocracy." "Huh?" "abandcalledthe senders." "Huh?" "abandcalledthe senders." "thepixies?" "abandcalledthe senders." "thepixies?" "thepixieswasyourfirst thepixies?" "thepixieswasyourfirst band?" "thepixieswasyourfirst band?" "absolutely." "Band?" "absolutely." "nobandbeforethat?" "absolutely." "nobandbeforethat?" "no.[ chuckles] nobandbeforethat?" "no.[ chuckles] really?" "no.[ chuckles] really?" "yeah." "really?" "yeah." "wow." "yeah." "wow." "I'dbeenin practicallyevery wow." "I'dbeenin practicallyevery other kind of band -- blues" "I'dbeenin practicallyevery other kind of band -- blues bands, punk-rock bands, standard" "Other kind of band -- blues bands, punk-rock bands, standard rock 'n' roll bands, top-40" "Bands, punk-rock bands, standard rock 'n' roll bands, top-40 bands, jazz-rock fusion bands." "Rock 'n' roll bands, top-40 bands, jazz-rock fusion bands." "In new york, I had a band called" "Bands, jazz-rock fusion bands." "In new york, I had a band called daybreak." "In new york, I had a band called daybreak." "didyouhaveaband ?" "Daybreak." "didyouhaveaband ?" "hada band." "didyouhaveaband ?" "hada band." "whatwastheband?" "hada band." "whatwastheband?" "thepricks." "whatwastheband?" "thepricks." "[singingindistinctly] [ music intensifies ] [ singing indistinctly ] [ music de-intensifies ] [ music fades ] [ music stops ] madesenseto me ,too." "[ music stops ] madesenseto me ,too." "Okay, so, coming up on the madesenseto me ,too." "Okay, so, coming up on the right, you know, we have the" "Okay, so, coming up on the right, you know, we have the budweiser brewery, which..." "Right, you know, we have the budweiser brewery, which..." "On a good night..." "Budweiser brewery, which..." "On a good night..." "Smells like someone burping" "On a good night..." "Smells like someone burping right in your face." "Smells like someone burping right in your face." "[ laughter ]" "Right in your face." "[ laughter ] thethingthatwas coolabout [ laughter ] thethingthatwas coolabout the brewery is, like, every band thethingthatwas coolabout the brewery is, like, every band that came there always wanted to" "The brewery is, like, every band that came there always wanted to go take the tour." "That came there always wanted to go take the tour." "So they would always go over" "Go take the tour." "So they would always go over there and come back with cases" "So they would always go over there and come back with cases of budweiser and then sit around" "There and come back with cases of budweiser and then sit around and get hammered all the rest of" "Of budweiser and then sit around and get hammered all the rest of the night." "And get hammered all the rest of the night." "But that smell " " I'll never" "The night." "But that smell " " I'll never forget that smell when the front" "But that smell " " I'll never forget that smell when the front doors of sound city were open on" "Forget that smell when the front doors of sound city were open on a good, windy day." "Doors of sound city were open on a good, windy day." "The smell of hops would just" "A good, windy day." "The smell of hops would just fill the whole building." "The smell of hops would just fill the whole building." "It was just, "ew, what is that?"" "Fill the whole building." "It was just, "ew, what is that?" beersmellslikepoop." "It was just, "ew, what is that?" beersmellslikepoop." "You know, apparently, budweiser beersmellslikepoop." "You know, apparently, budweiser smells like poops." "You know, apparently, budweiser smells like poops." "andthefunnythingI" "Smells like poops." "andthefunnythingI remember, when gladys knight and andthefunnythingI remember, when gladys knight and the pips were there, and they" "Remember, when gladys knight and the pips were there, and they walked out and they went," "The pips were there, and they walked out and they went, "whoo-whee!" "Is that you?"" "Walked out and they went, "whoo-whee!" "Is that you?" you know, they were, like," ""whoo-whee!" "Is that you?" you know, they were, like, kidding each other about it." "You know, they were, like, kidding each other about it." "But it was pretty strong " "Kidding each other about it." "But it was pretty strong -- pretty..." "But it was pretty strong -- pretty..." "see?" "Smellit ." "Pretty..." "see?" "Smellit ." "hmm." "see?" "Smellit ." "hmm." "thereyougo ." "Yougot it." "hmm." "thereyougo ." "Yougot it." "Gonna be a good night." "thereyougo ." "Yougot it." "Gonna be a good night." "[chuckles]" "Gonna be a good night." "[chuckles] [ up-tempo music plays ] [chuckles] [ up-tempo music plays ] ♪heardasongontheradio [ up-tempo music plays ] ♪heardasongontheradio just after school ♪" "♪heardasongontheradio just after school ♪ ♪ back from the '80s," "Just after school ♪ ♪ back from the '80s, before reagan was cool ♪" "♪ back from the '80s, before reagan was cool ♪ ♪ the band wore leather, and the" "Before reagan was cool ♪ ♪ the band wore leather, and the boys were lookin' so pretty ♪" "♪ the band wore leather, and the boys were lookin' so pretty ♪ ♪ they rocked all the clubs" "Boys were lookin' so pretty ♪ ♪ they rocked all the clubs down on sunset ♪" "♪ they rocked all the clubs down on sunset ♪ ♪ doin' all the things" "Down on sunset ♪ ♪ doin' all the things that we try to forget ♪" "♪ doin' all the things that we try to forget ♪ ♪ when they screamed out there," "That we try to forget ♪ ♪ when they screamed out there, the guitars sounded so pretty ♪" "♪ when they screamed out there, the guitars sounded so pretty ♪ ♪ if it sounds as good in your" "The guitars sounded so pretty ♪ ♪ if it sounds as good in your room as it does in your car ♪" "♪ if it sounds as good in your room as it does in your car ♪ ♪ you're on your way" "Room as it does in your car ♪ ♪ you're on your way to be a rock 'n' roll star ♪" "♪ you're on your way to be a rock 'n' roll star ♪ ♪ it's a good thing to say," "To be a rock 'n' roll star ♪ ♪ it's a good thing to say, "hey, boys, you're gonna go" "♪ it's a good thing to say, "hey, boys, you're gonna go far ♪" ""hey, boys, you're gonna go far ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song," "Far ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪" "♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage" "Everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪" "♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends" "With the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪" "♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night" "With all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪" "♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪ ♪ with all our dreams" "Like it'll never end ♪ ♪ with all our dreams hangin' on one little ditty ♪" "♪ with all our dreams hangin' on one little ditty ♪ ♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape" "Hangin' on one little ditty ♪ ♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪" "♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song," "Down at sound city ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪" "♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage" "Everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪" "♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends" "With the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪" "♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night" "With all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪" "♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song," "Like it'll never end ♪ ♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪" "♪ I wanna play a song, everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage" "Everyone sing along ♪ ♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪" "♪ standing' on the stage with the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends" "With the lights turned on ♪ ♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪" "♪ wearing' those trends with all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night" "With all my friends ♪ ♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪" "♪ rockin' all night like it'll never end ♪ ♪ all those epic songs" "Like it'll never end ♪ ♪ all those epic songs with a phrase so witty ♪" "♪ all those epic songs with a phrase so witty ♪ ♪ there's always room for two to" "With a phrase so witty ♪ ♪ there's always room for two to a car that offers no pity ♪" "♪ there's always room for two to a car that offers no pity ♪ ♪ all our dreams" "A car that offers no pity ♪ ♪ all our dreams hangin' on one little ditty ♪" "♪ all our dreams hangin' on one little ditty ♪ ♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape" "Hangin' on one little ditty ♪ ♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪" "♪ yeah, we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪ ♪ oh, yeah" "Down at sound city ♪ ♪ oh, yeah ♪ got it on 2-inch tape" "♪ oh, yeah ♪ got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪" "♪ got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪ ♪ whoo-hoo-hoo" "Down at sound city ♪ ♪ whoo-hoo-hoo ♪ got it on 2-inch tape" "♪ whoo-hoo-hoo ♪ got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪" "♪ got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪ ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah" "Down at sound city ♪ ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ we got it on 2-inch tape" "♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪" "♪ we got it on 2-inch tape down at sound city ♪ [ music fades ]" "Down at sound city ♪ [ music fades ] [ music stops ] [ music fades ] [ music stops ] [ no audio ]"