"Defining Legião Urbana," "What is Legião Urbana today to you?" "Do you have a definition of it?" ""What is Legião Urbana?"" "Legião Urbana is a Brazilian band that sings lyrics in Portuguese, from 4/4 compass and from a urban experience of what is being a young Brazilian living since 1970s," "in the city." "And, despite we don't make a research and try to incorporate" "Brazilian things in the music, generally - if someone sees " "Legião Urbana's work, it will have a part of brazilian things." "So people sometimes don't realize, but there's something very romantic and narrative in our lyrics." "Ne instrumental music there are some Brazilian eleme because the 4/4 compass is so remarkable in Brazil." "It's not a samba thing, but there are something related to fads, 'xaxado', and 'xote', but nobody thinks about it a lot." "We did start taking off some English bands." "I'll change a little bit the subject." "Let's start from the beginning." "You started with a very primitive compass, and so far you didn't change a lot." "Why?" "From "Legião Urbana 1" to "Descobrimento do Brasil"..." "Because it's a kind of music we like to make." "Why should every CD be completely different from each other?" "It's the kind of music we like to make very much... and with that compass, "Bonfá Come on", then everything starts!"" "...and I think the funniest part is just that, because it's like Jimmy Page said:" ""Good rock'n'roll is not taught at school!"" "So if you have 3 accords and 4 or 5 basic rhythms, like A1 of electronic drum," "you go and make music." "I think it's the coolest part of rock'n'roll." "If we had planned to be musicians and try to express ourselves only by music, certainly the music would be more vary and wouldn't have all these characteristics the songs we make have..." "Can we start over?" "Let's start again, from the beginning, 'cause I keep trying to explain myself..." "Two things I'd comment." "After I warm up, I go ahead..." "He knows, generally it's like this..." " Don't look at the camera." " Who do I look at?" " Look at me." " It's okay..." "But I can look once in a while, can't I?" "Man, these questions are so hard..." ""What is Legião Urbana?"" "Legião Urbana is Legião Urbana, well..." "So answer me this." "It's okay, so let's start again." "I'll start again, but I'll even begin in another way..." "It's only a rock band, you know?" "It's a rock band that rises curiosity in people." "Although everybody makes rock'n'roll, you are a different group." "Right, I'd say something stupid here... but I think we rise curiosity because of the lyrics and even our own aptitude talks about us." "Then, suddenly, people who listen to a Legião Urbana's song, if they identify themselves with a song and like it, they'll feel it's something that is being said to them." "Did you understand?" "So it works with a range of things and I've already noticed a very great curiosity, people want to know how we are... only to know if we are equal." "So, suddenly, there is a boy who says:" ""Wow, you wrote 'O Teatro dos Vampiros', it's similar to the history of my life!" "Are you like this?"" "Then people are curious to know if we are sincere, if we are really honest in what we make and if these experiences are real things we have gone through." "At least until "O Descobrimento do Brasil"," "For sure I can say 'yes'." "Although we sometimes change names or some situations, they are things the band has already lived." "Not only me;" "I wrote the lyrics, but they're always things we talk about and what point in life we are at." "This creates a certain curiosity, because, from the moment we are not seen simply like rock stars, everybody wants to know "how these guys are" and suddenly they talked about something and it is exactly how I feel."" "The kind of curiosity I've always had, for example, about Led Zeppelin... or my favorite bands." "I'm so curious to know what Bob Dylan does in his daily life, did you understand?" "Because his lyrics say a lot of things to me and about me." "And, probably, this is:" "He stays at home, goes out, dates, pays the children's bill, reads a book, goes to a concert and to a restaurant, there are days he is well and others he is not." "So with us, it's the same thing, no mystery..." "I think." "But and the lyrics? "O Descobrimento do Brasil" is a little more optimistic than the last album, and therefore more pop." "Maybe, but "V" sold a lot and it had three hit singles." ""Vento no Litoral" is one of our greatest hit." "I think it was "Vento no Litoral" and "Teatro dos Vampiros"," "I mean, it had a fewer hit singles than the other albums... but the three albums that were released, and sold a lot." ""Vento no Litoral", "Teatro dos Vampiros", "O Mundo Anda Tão Complicado"." ""Teatro dos Vampiros" was chosen the best song of the year by 2 or 3 press organizations." ""Vento no Litoral", a year and half or 2 after the album has been released." "It was still been remembered, wasn't it?" "Our "V" tour, in which we have only performed about 15 shows," "It was the "best show tour of the year" I don't know how to explain it." "Now, what I can say it's "V" is our "Pornography"" " of The Cure, understand?" "It's always like this, we release a an album and, for some reason, then everybody had reactions:" ""Ah 'Quatro Estações', é preciso amar!"" ""Let's stop it, let's do something completely different!"" "And we are going to try something different, but it's never completely different." "But it's always like this, after" ""Que País é Este" - was heavy album and had "Conexão Amazônica"" "and everything - "Quatro Estações" came, it was poetic and beautiful." ""É preciso amar!" I keep joking, but it's a very beautiful song," "I like it very much." "After I thought:" ""Wow, what will I say?"" "People keep wondering about "Quatro estações", but it's not like this." "I was going through a phase, but I wrote the lyrics were completely clean, but I was seeing things weren't well... because it was in that time of Collor's presidency, wasn't it?" "I meant, all those things influenced and everybody was very negative, they don't know what would be the result." "It was a moment I think it's happening yet, but nowadays I think we are so remarkable in this thing in Brazil..." "Much more with everything that happened in the beginning of May and all..." "I think it's not a surprise, but in that moment to me it was a surprised time." "And I decided to do this:" ""Everybody was waiting" "'Quatro Estações 2', but we wouldn't do it!" "Let's do something else, including - the way we work in long term - to we have a bigger freedom in the future." "And I was feeling that movement of 1970's, right after the album has been launched this 1970's revival came" "I don't know where it came from." "It seems we created, but for sure it's not true." "But everything of 1970's came, and even magazines have written special articles about Progressive rock." "I said: "wow!"" "You know, the album had a way to we express ourselves adding what we wanted to say in that specific moment, without being stuck in a formula." "Because Legião Urbana had a closed conception, and it's too easy being stuck in a formula... because we always talk like this, we always have a style at the same time introspectively we are always trying to reach" "a great number of people." "I speak about me, but it's a person speaking about the world." "I'm not saying only to you, Legião's songs are not like that." "Suddenly, I speak into the microphone "Let's listen, people!"" "It's a teen thing, you want everyone to know what you are feeling..." "or I want everybody to know what I'm thinking about." "So Legião has this thing, it's a kind of dichotomy... a paradoxical thing... and, because of our choice of musical rhythms, as you did remind us, we chose that similar compass and we only use bass, guitar, drum and keyboard, they are always strings." "Another day Dado was saying to me:" ""Renato, you are too conservative."" "I told him: "Why am I conservative, Dado?"" ""Ah, because you always choose the same instrument!"" "Because every one chooses their instrument, don't they?" "And, when I choose the keyboard... we are sometimes with drum keyboard, because our producer Mayrton Bahia brings a bunch of modulation and a zillion of things with songs all over the world..." "I keep pressing every button and "let's try this one!"" "But "we are going to use that strings, aren't we?"" "I mean, it's what I like to do and I think it's what we feel comfortable in doing." "We sometimes change things a little, but whenever it's possible we try..." "It's the same person, but sometimes it's already afternoon, the sunset..." "How was the scenery in Brasília?" "We were a bunch of friends and we were interested in rock - like, English rock and punk bands, when they showed up." "It was about having the first compact punk album released and it was "New Rose", by Damned." "A friend of ours had it, I think it was André Muller." "After the fist punk album came, it must have been The Clash." "And we had things like this in the beginning," "The brazilian record companies were in doubt if they would have invested in disco or in punk." "And, suddenly, Ezequiel Neves organized this collection "Pop Magazine presents Punk Rock", it had a lot of cool things." "There were Ramones, Sex Pistols and many bands, it was a track of every band." "They released Television (the first album) And had a smaller record company, it was Copacabana Discos, which had released two albums of" "Stranglers and Dr. Feelgood, what was being a kind of advertising to these new bands they were showing off." "I has already been launched "Horses", by Pattie Smith, it was a very important album, and it had something hot" " besides the first (Sex) Pistols', of course." "We got these albums and said "wow, it's amazing!"" "We read about the bands talked about them, because there in Brasília we could get better newspaper" " "Melody Maker", theses things..." "And Brasília, that is a city with a UNICEF, embassies and everything, there are always people traveling..." "and it's a small city." "I mean, we knew how to find everything." "For example, I worked at a language school and I managed to convince its library officials to subscribe "Melody Maker" magazine." "Then every week "Melody Maker" arrived, with Johnny Rotten in the cover, we knew all those things." "And in that time André Muller, who is in Plebe Rude band and is a very good friend of ours, was living there and sent us tapes he recorded from John Peel - it was a radio program." "So we listened to all these things, I remember." "But what did you do?" "Brasília didn't have a lot to do, so we kept saying:" ""Let's make a band!"" "And it was that thing, we already had a band" " we had a name, knew who would do what in the band, although we didn't have instruments and a place to practice." "We had nothing." "Now, it's a crazy thing, because in that time it was very difficult to get instruments." "Having a Fender guitar is easier today, but in that time it was incredible." "I had two jobs" " I worked at Cultura Inglesa and I was a reporter at "Jornal da Feira", of Coordination of" "Consumer Defense and Orientation, in the Agriculture Ministry." "So my dream was to buy a guitar, then I got a bass." "My father gave me a bass as a gift." "And I bought an amplifier." "And I spent the whole week waiting... because on the weekend we could essay." "And It was very cool, I had a Duovox Giannini bass I think its size is like this wardrobe... my happiness in the world was to climb three floors until Fê's apartment, it was on third floor," "carrying that thing to we essay an to make noise." "We spent the whole time playing "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", by Ramones. "Now I wanna sniff some glue!" "One, two, three, four, five!" "No, you made a mistake, let's do it again!"" "Then we spent months, until we realized how it worked." "We learned how to play "Problems" and everything, then someone had a bright idea: "Guys, let's play all these songs but let's play our own songs too!"" "To talk about UnB, from Brasília, in Brasil, because it was like this:" ""Make your own band and say what you have to say!"" "And Dado went to watch Aborto Elétrico, do you understand?" "We played there in the band, but the little boys who watched were Dado," "Bonfá and everybody... but after everybody became friends, for sure." "But were you and Bonfá in 'Aborto Elétrico'?" "Nope, 'Aborto Elétrico' was a band that André Pretorius would've made with" "André Muller, who is from Plebe Rude, and with Felipe from Capital Inicial." "André Pretorius was the South Africa Ambassador's son." "He was blond, blond Sid Vicious, he was 6'56 ft high, and I met him in this place called 'A Taberna'" " it was near where I lived, in 103 South." "It was a place where you drank and had some appetizers." "I have never had money, so I've been there all night long" " talking, checking if there would be some party or something to do." "In a good day I saw blond Sid Vicious going down and it was like this," ""one of the greatest moment of rock'n'roll"." "I looked and I listened he was speaking English with a pretty little 1970's witch girl." "We already traveled by bus together, then I came and soon I listened: "Hi Renato"." "I immediately turned to this character and said:" ""Hey man, do you like Sex Pistols?"" ""Sex Pistols?" "Great!"" "Spontaneous friendship, because it was a crazy thing." "If you were wearing a badge from a punk band, you became a friend for the rest of your life." "Because nobody knew even Pink Floyd in that time, did you understand?" "Only crazy old people from Brasília." "I was very hard, rock'n'roll didn't exist." "It's hard to try to image, it's almost image the world without computer and television." "We didn't have VCR..." "Look, it was less than two decades..." "but we didn't have VCR, nor computer." "You know?" "The only thing we had was the TV, and radio stereo... and it broadcasted..." ""the sweetness of life"...those things we didn't like very much." "I liked rock'n'roll much more." "And it's a passion, isn't it?" "And, the destine wants me to do so, I said: "Man, I play the bass!"" "Then he said: "Man, I play the guitar!"" "And both were the Felipe Lemos' friends, from Capital Inicial, he was the drummer... because, without drum, it's not possible to make a rock band!" ""Great, let's make a rock band!"" "And it was a thing like this, because they were waiting André Muller came from England... he would have been the bass player." "It's as I said, because of this you already had a band, album cover, name of the songs and everything." "We only didn't have "the thing", did you understand?" "I remember we listened to Stooges, MC-5 and also all punk bands." "We had things like this, because more progressive bands didn't come up yet." "For example, New Order and those things, it didn't exist yet." "In the beginning the Cure was very fast." "It was in 1978/1979, and then Aborto Elétrico lasted until 82." "There were many different members, but always with André Pretorius." "Then he went to South Africa, because he had to join the Army, and it was very sad in the group." "Many cried a lot and everything." "He had a girlfriend, Jeanie..." "and he left running, broke a bottle and screamed:" ""I love Jeanie"." "He kept taking off Sid Vicious, writing his girlfriend's name in his arm and crying." "We kept thinking: "Wow, the world is unfair and cruel!" "He goes to the war, to kill people who are innocent and everything!"" "His bedroom had many photos with several covers from "Time" and Newsweek magazine, everything with soldiers..." "and people who were rebels and punks." "Although we were really from middle class, I worked and I did my things, and we were punks and believed what we did." "We wore in a different way and we were arrested, the police always chased us and told us off." "That thing of "Baader" is the history of the group." "Those things to mix marijuana and rock, we went through everything." "But we were middle class." "Then we found out there were a huge group, like Coquetel Molotov and its friend bands, in São Paulo there were many bands too." "Ratos de Porão and Cólera already existed and we there in Brasília" "I thought we were the only punks in Brazil." "I mean, we called ourselves punks..." "but it was a very funny group, because every one had a own style." "André Pretorius wore those army clothes, and stopped to look like Sid Vicious and looked like Paul Simonon from The Clash." "Those army clothes were from Paul Simonon." "I looked like a "a well fed Johnny Rotten", then I wore those rotten clothes and the style of Johnny Rotten." "White, slim and so on." "The rest of us wore fashion clothes..." "Chico, for example, was fan of The Jam... so he wore clothes related to Johnny Marr." "The girls wore NY style, like Kim from Sonic Youth:" "Jeans and that sweater." "All girls had this style of clothes they changed when it was party" " because I wore collar, dyed hair, etc." "Once I wanted to dye my hair with those green things, I used gouache and it was terrible." "Everybody said: "Renato, you look like the 'Angel' from 'Mônica's comic book!"" "And never more, because I dyed in green this side, blue here and it seemed so stupid!" "In that time, I was already playing the guitar in Aborto band and Flávio Lemos came - who today is in Capital Inicial." "I helped him to learn how to play the bass and then we became a trio, and it was with this trio that started to make the most older songs." "Everything was in the Aborto list:" ""Geração Coca-Cola"," ""Que País é Este" and things like this." "I wrote the lyrics and we make the music." "Nowadays some of them really doesn't work very well, but "Química" and "Tédio" were from that time." "And Legião?" "Legião didn't exist yet, after" "Aborto Elétrico changed." "We had a rhythm that suddenly was very slow; it was heavy... but it was very slow." "Because in that time hardcore didn't exist, you know?" "The new wave bands were very fast, and the first heavy band I remember was Dead Kennedy." "It's already in 80's, but when Sex Pistols was over," "Sid Vicious died and John Lydon made Public Image, then I changed completely:" ""That is what I always wanted!"" "So My favorite bands were Gang of Four, Public Image," "The Cure..." "I listened them a lot, until "Pornography" or "Lovecats", because suddenly it became something more pop;" "it was nice to listen at parties, but I didn't care a lot." "I listened to Siouxsie  The Banshees very much, the two first albums;" "then Joy Division, we kept taking a ride in Fê's car and listening to..." ""He's lost control again!"" "We thought we suffered:" ""How the world was unfair!" "This city is tedious!" "We can't do it!" "Nobody knows rock'n'roll!" "We want to make a band, take girls, etc!"" "And it was going, going, going, until one day I was fed up with Fê doesn't recognize my value." "He was the little king, wasn't he?" "It's shit and, suddenly, I didn't carry the band on my back but it had my contribution." "After all, I wrote my lyrics." "And sometimes I left home to the North side to practice... because we booked to practice." "But it was hard and a new era came and suddenly" "I remember why we started arguing." "The beginning was when I made "Química"...then they said:" ""Renato, this song is stupid!"" "I said: "This isn't stupid, this music is cool!"" "And, suddenly, it wasn't to be a serious thing, it was to be a joke before the examination for college entrance." ""You are losing your style for lyrics, Renato!"" "Because we wanted to do the fanciest things, didn't we?" "In that time we were already listening to Rough Trade and those stuffs of independent albums, you know?" "So far I don't know how to say the name of that band." "It was very complicated, but we wanted to do this and it would be a thing like this... how would I call it?" "With "conception"." ""It must have had conception!" "Undertones were over, forget this rock songs!"" "From that time "Baader Meinhof' came, in the first version, and I made "Soldados" and "Ainda é Cedo", that is another thing." "It wasn't that thing "quando nascemos fomos programados", and suddenly I was trying hard, to write my lyrics," "I had taught a guy to play the bass, and he always drove me crazy." "Then we had a show right after John Lennon died." "We were playing at a satellite city in Brasília, called Cruzeiro, about four days after." "Yoko Ono sent a message to the whole world, at 4 pm (in Brasil), during 10 minutes, everybody meditate to John." "I love those things." "I drank a lot, I think I've drunk a whole bottle of cheap vine." ""But I will meditate to John!"" "And it was very important, because a festival was being held and we were playing under a building." "A group of guys came and it wasn't a concert..." "We took the drum, put it in order, there was a Irmãos Vitale amplifier this big and my Duovox." "We turned everything on and, suddenly, we were there playing." "We were getting, I was drunk and "now it's time to meditate for John!"" "I laid down there, I started thinking about John Lennon." "The day was dark, it was gray, cloudy and everything." "Right:" "Gave us 4 hours and the weather started to get better." "It was a mystic thing, it's something I will remember to the rest of my life." "The sky was clear and wonderful, the sun rising behind the clouds." "I thought: "Wow, cool, this meditation is working indeed!" "Everybody is doing it!"" "In Brasília a group got together in the Congress and it was being done in the whole world." "I was very happy." "Of course I was devastated, but that was rock'n'roll." "And after, when we went to make the concert," "Fê insisted I wasn't playing well." "And it doesn't matter, there were if they were watching." "Then, in a moment, he said:" ""Renato, you made everything wrong!"" "He took his sticks and acted as if he were a king, behind the drum... and then he threw me a stick and I looked at him..." "Ah, no way..." "I left the band and then he went with his girlfriend," "Inês to my house, in that time we were friends." ""Renato, come back!"..."come back!"..." ""I don't want anymore, ok?"" "Then I became the "Lonely Poet-Singer":" ""Do you want to know something?" "I don't need!" "I take my guitar!" Because I had John Cooper Clarke in that time, and in that time Billy Bragg was already being known." ""So I could take my guitar!"" "Paul Weller already made unplugged songs." ""I don't need a punk band, I take it and I will sing my songs..." "nobody wants to listen!"" "Then, when there were shows, there were other bands" " Plebe Rude, XXX, Angra 2 I think in that time they already existed even Dado  O Reino Animal." "Everybody started a band." "I remember the first punk band in Brasília, Blitx, in the beginning was Blitz 64, with "Z"...and 64 because of Military Act, we called it Revolution." "After they changed to Blitx because a Blitz band already existed in Rio de Janeiro in 82/83, with "Você Não Soube Me Amar"." "And we made fund of them, because they were our friends." "It was Loro, today he is in Capital Inicial;" "Geraldo, and Gutje went to play in Plebe Rude;" "and Bonfá, who played in all those bands." "He was the drummer in every band." "A drummer was rare, right?" "So basically the drummers were in three:" "Gutje, Bonfá and Fê." "But they were known as the first punk band in Brasília because they were interviewed by newspaper." "A reporter wrote:" ""It's the first punk band in Brasília"." "But they heard many complaints!" "Because in that time I was like this." "There is something I remembered, but I forgot if it was in that time I left the band and even it was because of this reason that left the band." "Because I started playing the bass in Aborto Elétrico, then I played the guitar and it took me a time to have courage to sing." "And then, when André Pretorius went back to South Africa," "We had a time that only I was the singer." "And then Ico Ouro Preto came to play the guitar, it was the best moment of Aborto Elétrico." "Because the band was really mature." "It was cool, we made more professional concerts." "There was a show at Funarte in Brasília, it was great." "It was from the time I wrote "Ficção Científica"" "and "Helicópteros no Céu", they are almost unknown because the lyrics were old." "But the music was closer to the first LP album of Capital Inicial, to the first of Plebe Rude and the first LP album of Legião." "But it was over, over;" "did you understand?" "I didn't have patience, because I was thinking:" ""Boy, The bass is mine, the guitar is mine, I write the lyrics," "I help a lot in the music and all, and people are treating me like I were their employee?"" "Then I left... and after this, in a great day we were in another bar where those punks used to go." "It was me who found out where those places were." "I came to Bonfá, he wasn't in any band too, because I thing we had argued with André Muller or something like this, and I said: "Bonfá, let's make a band?" "We could do like this:" "A bass and drum!"" "This is a project like Matt Johnson did with The The." ""In a song called Phillipe Seabra, that Plebe plays;" "and we can call girls to sing;" "in the other we use instrumental music!"" "So Legião Urbana would be just Bonfá and I, naturally this idea didn't work" " because calling people to choose songs, with problems to practice etc." "In that time we even had a place to practice in Brasília Radio Center," "And all autonomous professionals complained a lot." "We said:" ""But it's Brasília Radio Center!" "It is an area in the city to be music studio, TV studio!"" "But of course it didn't happen, because Brasília is a divided city." "All hospitals are located in the same place, all schools are located in the same place... so there was Brasília Radio Center, but we argued with the guys and one of them was a lawyer." "There was a girl who practiced "color therapy", that is a thing you need to be in silence..." "and we disturbed it." "Well, anyway Legião Urbana was made." "In the beginning, we called Eduardo Paraná" " who was a Marcelo's friend - to play the guitar." "But he had another musical background." "A very friendly guy, he is very cool." "He is very handsome, Eduardo Paraná." "He only played... and we listened to Public Image, it was..." "I studied classical music and it didn't work." "And there was another friend of ours, Paulo Paulista, who said we should put a keyboard." "He had a keyboard and he seemed to be Ray Manzarek." "He was very young, but he was tall and he was like this." "But it was a very primitive keyboard and it took him the whole song to find the right program, and when we finished it he had fixed it." "And in that time there weren't reverbs, there was nothing and nobody knew what was going on." "But it was the first Legião Urbana members." "For some reason Bonfá argued with Eduardo Paraná" " they didn't get along anymore." "In that time, we were making bigger shows." "We opened to Blitz in Brasília, Paulo Paulista had already left." "It wasn't working, because the music was taking another direction that we didn't want exactly." "We played some LPs and said to Paraná: "Look, listen to this!"" ""Ah, this guy doesn't know how to play!"" "He wanted another kind of music, so everybody took their own way." "Nowadays Paraná is one of the greatest musicians in Brasília, you know?" "He is a "Pat Metheny do Planalto", the guy plays a lot!" "He plays, plays and plays." "Imagine we are there:" ""OK, 'Soldados'..." "Do this, Paraná!"..." ""Come on, but it's not music!"" "He was afraid people thought he didn't know how to play." ""But this is ridiculous!" "Philip Glass does like this!"" ""No, no, no..." He left and then Ico Ouro Preto came, he had played with us in Aborto Elétrico." "But Ico was afraid of stages... and we had the greatest show we could get," "it was in the ABO theater and we organized." "The four main bands were XXX, Capital Inicial" " who were Fê and Flávio -, Legião Urbana and Escola de Escândalos, that was Bernardo Muller's and Alessandro's band, who was our Italian friend." "Or they had other name and changed, because they changed the name of the band several times." "We got a very cool place to play, and it will have good music and people could make a very cool advertising." "But in the last minute Ico gave up." ""Nope, I'm not going to play, I'm not!"" ""But how?" We had nine songs to play... and it was a lot..." "because they were original." "Then suddenly: "Come on, how are we going to do it?" "So we had the idea to call Dado, because Dado always wanted to play in a band... but he has never played the guitar in his life!" "Then we said this:" ""Dado, it's not very difficult!"" "He already knew la, do and re." ""Most songs had only these notes." "You need to make some noise!" "Like Keith Levene, from Public Image!" "So let's go!"" "And we had the first Legião Urbana concert with Dado, and it was at Fê's house." "We played "Ainda é Cedo"," "I played the bass and sang." "Bonfá played the drum and Dado was making 'some noise', because we told him:" ""Make some noise, it's okay!"" "Then he was stepping the guitar pedal and make it..." "And then Legião Urbana was created." "Then, you recorded the first LP that is Legião Urbana in 84." "And in the first album you had songs that are still successful," "From 11 songs 7 were successful, at least." "How did you face the success in the first album?" "Immediately Legião was a success, at least with five songs in the first album." "Well, it's not immediately." "I played the bass and suddenly I realized it would be cool if we have a bass player." "Then we called Renato Rocha, the incredible bass player." "He came and I started singing alone, mainly because of the record company - when they signed the contract with us - they said: "What?" "Another trio from Brasília, with a guy who sings and wears glasses?"" "They had 'os Paralamas', who supported us." "Os Paralamas helped us a lot, played songs with us, they opened many doors here in Rio." "What happens you prepare yourself in your whole life for your first album." "The problem is the second one." "For the first album, you already have list of songs made." "You already play alive, you know "Será" is a song that people like, you know?" "And it was complicated, because the record studio wanted me to be a kind of "Bob Dylan from Brasilia"." "Os Paralamas gave a tape from my time of "Lonely Poet Singer"." "This is ridiculous, isn't it?" ""Lonely Poetic Singer"!" "I was there singing "Eduardo e Mônica"" "and unplugged "Geração Coca-Cola"." "They thought they were signing this and, suddenly, we showed up there:" ""We are Legião Urbana!"" "And they tried to make the first record with us, it was unplugged version of "Geração Coca-Cola"." "It didn't work, we went back to the hotel and said:" ""Look, we won't do this!" Because we had aptitude," "I think we have aptitude so far." "There is no reason to do something you don't want to do." "If you don't have anything to lose, it's what Dylan says:" ""Who doesn't have anything, doesn't have anything to lose"." "You know?" "If we are not famous, well-known and anything, why are you going to do something people want from you?" "I'll do what I believe, right?" "The band will do what it believes." "Then we went back to Brasília and they were in panic, because they had already signed the contract." "Finally José Emílio Rondeau came to the scene, he was willing to produce us." "After a hard work, because we argued with him." "But then things kept going..." "and it wasn't a an overnight success." "The album virtually became a success only in the end of 1985." "It took one year, you know?" "We had people of the record company saying:" ""Look, take this one it is good (of other bands), but this one is bad!"" "And we were lucky, because the critics suddenly started talking about us a lot." "Because it was a time, we can't forget, Brasília were as if didn't exist." "People said:" ""Brasília?" "Is there life in Brasília?"" "And suddenly there was a huge movement with rock bands and everything." "Nowadays everybody knows about Brasília bands," "It's not a surprise." "There are Oz, Raimundos, Low Dream, Little Quail  The Mad Birds and zillion of people." "Many years after we showed up even other bands came out" " Banda 69, Obina Shock, you know?" "Zillion of bands!" "But in that time it was like this, so it helped and the teens listened to our songs and liked them." "Was there any fear since the second album?" ""Dois" has classical songs..." "Sorry for the modesty... but every album of Legião Urbana has classical songs." "Right?" "What can I do?" "It's true!" "Some of them has more, others less, but let's stop with this thing of first album, second one..." "It's all discography!" "We are fans of rock'n'roll... so we know in a great band every LP is good." "It's not a comparison with Beatles, it's the greatest band of universe." "But from "Please Please Me" to "Let It Be", every album is good." "Nirvana was following this path too." "Everything Nirvana has already launched is good." "It's the same thing with every big band, but sometimes there is a great band having a moment" " mainly if it has an incredible lifespan, like 20 years - they went through difficulty and everything." "But generally why are you going to release an album with bad quality?" "To meet the record company?" "To make fast money?" "What remains it's the album, you know?" "The photos won't remain." "What remains it's that moment you buy the new LP of Led Zeppelin, you play it and say:" ""Wow, the guys still are pretty good!"" "This remains." "Did you understand?" "Sepultura is like this, Metallica is also like this... but there are other bands they aren't yet." "Because you buy the second album or the third and say:" ""Yep..." In our case, there could even be the fact we change things a little and all of sudden someone liked more the first album than "V"." "Or he or she likes "V", but he or she doesn't like "Que País é Este", very much." "It's heavier." "But all of them has a certain level of quality, because we know the result!" "Did you understand?" "So far I listen to the first LP of Television." "You know?" "And there are other albums from that punk time that are old, so I think it's like this." "Now, what happened it's the record company wanted us to repeat the first album." ""OK, so now you worked well!"" "They said to us: "Look, if you sell 5 thousand, it's all right!"" "In the beginning, we sold 50 thousand..." "This is a lot, isn't it?" "To a band..." "We have just launched the LP and it was a lot." "We discussed with the record company." "It doesn't work you don't know what is going on and let the record company do everything." "In that time, everything was multinational... but today every band has another way to dealt with it." "But in that time, to sign an unwritten contract?" "No, no way." "Without reading it?" "Nope." "It took almost 5 months for us to sign it," "I took it to many lawyers." ""Are you a lawyer?" "So read it!"" "When I saw there was no way back, because it was a standard contract, so we signed." "But what did they want?" "In the second album, They wanted more rock." ""So now will you record 'Que País é Este' and 'Química'?" "Let's record 'Química', 'Tédio'..." "You didn't record 'Tédio' in the first album, guys!" "Let's go, let's go, let's go!"..." ""Nope, in the second album we are going to do what we want!"" "When they listened to that..." ""Daniel na Cova dos Leões"..." ""Oh Almeida, what is it?" "What song is this one?" "They are a rock band!" "Nobody told this boy this song has 5 minutes, with tambourine and guitar, no chorus, who will know it by heart?" "Who will understand these things?" "Where is the protest?" "What story is 'Eduardo e Mônica'?" "What story is 'Central do Brasil'?" "They are a rock band!" "What are these guitars doing here?"" "Naturally we believed in the material, we believed in the band and it worked." "Once you said you were ashamed of "Tempo Perdido", because it was very similar to The Smiths." "Could you identify in your albums their influences?" "I don't know, I don't think the songs are similiar to The Smiths." "I think it was similar to Smiths, because" " when we explained to Mayrton, who was our producer - what we wanted - and there was no way to explain it with sounds, otherwise showing some examples - we said:" ""Look, a band that has this music of this guitar, this bass..."" "Because our bass was a very particular characteristic, as I played and Renato Rocha also played." "It seemed to the bass of U2, the bass of The Cure, the bass of Siouxsie  The Banshees..." "It wasn't only a band, every band was like that." "You know?" "It's New Order in that first album, you know?" "Suddenly, the guitar was..." "The bass was like this..." "So we used these references when we need to talk to the producer mix, because people were used to record what they think about 'chacundun'." "In the record company they only knew to record 'chacundum', because the great producers of MPB didn't identify themselves with us and they didn't want to work with us." "We didn't have money like Beto Guedes has and Milton Nascimento has, because they did like us we started doing the same in "As Quatro Estações", we spent a year in studio." "Beto Guedes was there with his mandolim, mixing songs..." "And we had to get in, record, get ready and finish." "The only reference they had was a more pop thing, more disco... then we tried:" ""Oh, let's try to do a thing like this!"" "And in that time the result was similar, but I remember" " when we made "Tempo Perdido" - it was right after we had just launched released the first album." "In that time I didn't listen to The Smiths." "Did you understand?" "But maybe because of the form," "Today The Smiths is a band that I love." "Following the progressive rock, I think - after Sex Pistols - they are the most important band." "Now maybe it's Nirvana and the time will tell us." "But, after Sex Pistols, in terms of aptitude and how they kept going with their work the revolution time was everything, Smiths was a very important band I think they didn't have the success they should have had." "Mainly because they were in Rough Trade, that is an independent record." "Anyway, we don't... we wanted to sign with EMI:" ""The guys will sign with EMI then after released six albums!"" ""No, we want EMI Record, it's the biggest in Brazil!" "Let's go there!"" "But what happens?" "So, when Dado started having practice with the guitar, and following the band instrumental style, the bass always led to a very bass note, the drum gave the compass and the vocal over them," "The only instrument missed to make melody and harmony was the guitar." "Then we had it." "Bonfá likes melody very much and I always liked it." "You know, I've already listened to Beatles, Rolling Stones a lot..." "There was a time I liked "Ruby Tuesday"." "Rock music was cool but, I really like to listen," ""Ruby Tuesday", "Lady Jane"..." "I have a folk background, I like things with guitars a lot." "The Mamas and The Papas, pop with vocal, the song of 1960s," "Simon  Garfunkel..." "Gosh, I like a lot, suddenly," "There was that thing "OK, we have noisy songs but let's make some beautiful things too!"" "I like to sing beautiful things and it's good to listen to beautiful things, isn't it?" "Did the third one close the first phase of Legião?" "I think so, because there... in "Que País é Este"," "What happend to us we got into the studio to record the third album." "Because the second one should have been a double." ""Dois" should have been two..." "from double... but nobody let me!" "It should have been "Que País é Este" with "Dois", then it should have had "Faroeste Caboclo", and a bunch of Bonfá's instrumental themes and it should be called "Mitologia  Intuição"." "There are many things Bonfá could play in the keyboard, instrumental themes, with a bunch of pop things and also "Tédio"," ""Química", "Conexão Amazônica" and "Que País é Este"." "But also already with "Angra dos Reis" and "Mais do Mesmo", it would be a super cool double album, with many cool things." "But the record company didn't want and, when we went to record the third album, we didn't know what to do... because we had a certain conception for "Dois", it was a thing to last." "It was a album to last for two or three years, we would do a great job." "We are Legião Urbana and we would play like this... a silly example..." "like "Use Your Illusion", by Guns'n Roses, there is no relation with Legião Urbana." ""Let's launch a huge material and then work on it pantiently", it was the idea." "But what happened?" "It didn't happen and, when we went to make the third album, we found out there wasn't anything else to say." "We stayed there and I remember there was a time we said this..." "I said..." ""No!" "We went to the studio but we wouldn't record the album... because we didn't have anything to say!"" "Then everybody: "Oh!" "How they are honest!" "They don't do this for money!" Nobody understood anything." "Because after a month we were with "Que País é Este", but we thought:" ""Well, these songs we already played in the shows!" "Let's take three songs that are ready; they are 'Eu Sei', 'Mais do Mesmo' and 'Angra dos Reis', with the songs we use the out-takes from 'Dois' and we make an album!"" "Only some people didn't understand mainly in São Paulo: "Legião Urbana launches a squalid and primitive album"." "But it was the album that built up our success." "It was in "Que País é Este", and not in "Quatro Estações", we started playing at the stadium." "By the way, it was in the end of "Dois"." "After we played at Canecão." "We maneged to play at Canecão, at 7 pm, it was night yet, but playing at Canecão was a dream... it was incredible." "From that moment, from the success of "Eduardo e Mônica"" "and then "Índios", it became huge... and it might have been in 1986." "In "As Quatro Estações" you already changed the subject." "I don't think so." "I think we talked about exactly the same things." "The consolidation of Legião Urbana would be in "Quatro Estações", but in "Que País é Este"..." ""Quatro Estações" was when even people didn't want to see they couldn't ignore, but I think it has happened since "Dois"." "But it was in "Quatro Estações"" "suddenly, after that problem in Brasília, we decided to make a more organized thing." "It came from us, we made a more organized thing." "A higher stage." "There is no way to be close to the audience, because of the confusion in the end." "Not because of us, neither the audience." "But because of the securities, and everything." "There is no way to play on a" "and it was also an album we expected a lot, because it took us almost one year to record and it was the first time we spent so much time to launch a material." "I meant, "Que País é Este" is from 1987 and "Quatro Estações" is from 1989." "It was two years... and everybody was really waiting, because in that time other bands kept working." "Titãs, Paralamas, Engenheiros and all." "And suddenly we stopped and we didn't make shows for long time and people said:" ""But how?" Generally, with Legião it's like that:" ""Don't you like to make money?" "Why don't you make more concerts?" "You don't give interviews!"" "As if money were, suddenly, the main motivation, did you understand?" "What I have to say money is the main motivation..." "What happens when money is the main motivation, the music is the most important thing." "It's like this, if I had a golden wall in my bedroom," "I won't wake up at night and take pieces from it to make a nugget." "Nope, I already have the whole wall." "Why are we going to get tired of doing this?" "Let's wait and do well done things." "The album also delayed because in that time Renato Rocha left." "Billy left the band, 'Negrete', because suddenly the thing got bigger and we must have a strong group." "We were already working on our own publishing house, to have control of musics and everything." "This was the first thing we wanted to do, since the beginning..." "And then we had much information about how to work, to assure our future." "Do you understand?" "Because rock is marketing, there is no way we think it's just take a guitar and it's done." "Nope!" "We could even be exploited, because it's what happens... but it's important to know where we are." "It was this time, suddenly we had another aptitude." "Nothing changed, only our aptitude." "If you get the lyrics, they keep talking about the same things." "Only our aptitude changed, just to not be in troubles." "In that time it was impossible take a list of songs to 50 thousand people." "Nowadays no, the audience is even more polite and more understanding." "As if the audience needed to be polite..." "It's not this, we..." "But it's... that thing," "Nowadays there are Metallica, Sepultura and it's necessary to remember in 1989 nobody played heavy music." "No way!" "Titãs didn't launch "Cabeça Dinossauro" yet." "Virtually, the heavier things of national rock - if I'm not wrong - they were Camisa de Vênus and Legião, that played on the radio." "There wasn't." "You turned the radio on to listen "Conexão Amazônica"" "and "Que País é Este" were incredible." ""Que País é Este" was the first place!" "This didn't exist." "In this time Titãs, which today is a heavy band, was singing other kind of material." "Paralamas was another kind of material." "They are all bands I love, but they didn't exist." "It was a new thing you could get nowhere and suddenly that mess came, because heavy bands didn't come to Brazil." "Who came to Brazil were new wave bands or, in a show like Rock In Rio, Ozzy came or something like this." "But a thing was completely organized." "Our concerts were still that punk thing:" ""Let's play to friends!"" "And, suddenly, we arrived at a place with 20 thousand people, 30 thousand people, and suddenly it's that rock'n'roll thing:" "Some eager young guys are using chemical substances, drinking and everything." "If you go to a Metallica concert abroad, or even to a Sepultura concert, it's an organized thing." "The audience is safe." "Here no, the restrooms are dirty." "In Maracanazinho, we were seeing, two died in the concert of Midnight Oil." "Can you image?" "The most politically correct band in the world." "People died at Menudo's concert." "Thank Lord nobody never died at Legião Urbana's concert, but that happened." "We have a huge audience, there are people making signs and saying:" ""Renato, we love" "Legião... but you make too big concerts, suddenly we are afraid of going... because there are many many..." "people and we could be in troubles and so on..." there aren't many riots, but in that time until "Quatro Estações"" " I had an aptitude on the stage a la Johnny Rotten, breaking things when I'm not happy." "Because in my mind, I'm still there... playing to my friends in Brasília." "I think the change of aptitude was that, we found out..." ""See, calm down, because it's necessary to have some responsibility... because there are many people here in front of us!"" "If they threw me something, I would not simply stop the show because an idiot threw me a can of beer." "It's important to show the band doesn't agree with this kind of behavior of the audience, you know, we try to do our best." "And it was what we tried to do with "Quatro Estações", because I was already tired of going to the stage to sing our songs and people kept throwing us things." "Because they like us, then they throw things." "But in a concert in São Paulo they threw a bottle at Bonfá... and he left bleeding." "There was blood on his drum." "It's that thing, "Renato Russo is crazy"..." ""No, we couldn't stop the concert!" Then we had to be on the stage with people spitting, throwing things at us, you know..." "In Brasília there was a time they had the bad habit of drinking those coconuts... and throwing at us!" "Being reached by a coconut in the head." "Can you image?" "What should we do?" "What other bands do, being hit and keeping sing?" "No, I stopped and said:" ""Darn, respect us..." "We respect the audience, so why don't they respect us?"" "And it's not everybody, but one or two or ten people with this aptitude that spoiled everything." "And, it's like we didn't have this conception of big concerts, here in Brazil everything was like:" ""Look, the Echo  The Bunnymen comes to Brazil to play at Canecão!"" "There wasn't this, we have just had Rock In Rio" " where we didn't play." "So it was complicated and that's why "Quatro Estações" came." "It's also a matter of maturity:" "We are playing better, we want people to realize Dado is playing the "bandolim"" "and the band has instrumental music it's not only heavy music." "There will be a moment in the concert we'll have two guitar playing with the keyboard." "Because rock is also music..." "So I think there is this change." "For example, "Quatro Estações" has "Monte Castelo"" "and it calls attention, you know?" "But I think there is no difference." "This will be hard to ask me, because I don't see difference..." "I see difference between "Que País é Este" and "V"." ""V" I think it is a different album." "That album I think is depressive and heavy, they are the heaviest things of Legião." "People say:" ""Ah, you don't play rock'n'roll!"" "Listen to "Montanha Mágica" in the highest volume, to check!" "Of course it's not heavy rock, it's not trash metal... but it's that story, you listen to the "White Album", by Beatles and it's not only "Helter Skelter"; there is "Dear Prudence" and so on." "Because I think we are still an old band, we are a kind of dinosaurs and we make more different songs..." "I mean, within our little limited conception..." "But there is fast music, there is melody, there are other things, there is love songs, there is one talking about violence and I don' know what, as some bands choosing, and I think it's very important every band has its own style," "you take the LP and it's heavy music from the beginning to the end." "Or others is melody from the beginning to the end." "I think people say this about Legião they don't follow our work, because who listens to them completely knows." "Since the first album until "O Descobrimento do Brasil", because this begins with a folk music, then a pop song, then a heavy grunge song and then "Perfeição" comes." "After an instrumental song with oboe and guitar, then those songs we always like to do with Bonfá playing the tambour." "So a 'chacundum' melody song comes, Jesus and the Mary Chain." "So I don't see, I think people realize more when they listen it in the radio." "And, naturally, songs that have a tendency to be a great success are love songs... because here in Brazil we live more emotive things, love things and even affective ones." "For example," ""Pais e Filhos" is more successful than "Faroeste..."" " although "Faroeste..." also has been a success." "But people specially love "Pais e Filhos", because it's a song that touches people in a certain way... for the same reason, A-ha is a more pop band than Nirvana." "Suddenly, Nirvana was going to this way." "I mean, they were already playing the cello and Kurt Cobain's complaints were just this." ""People who want me to keep singing 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' and suddenly I want to make something like 'All Apologies"' or even "Dumb", which is the other side of the band." "We tried this since the beginning." "Our first album has more different things." "There is "Por Enquanto", it is a super ballad... more ballad song than that?" "That one makes "the jaw drops" and, at the same time, there's "Será"," ""O Reggae" and I don't know." "I don't know how to explain." "Do you think "V" is a sad album?" "It's an album about the experience with heroin etc?" "Well, the thing is:" "Regardless I'm in a complicated moment or not..." "because suddenly I work." "This is a an option." "In that moment, we really felt if we did something closer we were feeling, instead of trying to make happy songs and up, things would flow more naturally." "And in this time we were living just with the problem not have a bass player, it was a problem in "Quatro Estações"." "Suddenly, Dado plays in the most part of tracks," "I play in some and Bonfá in the others." "In "V", Bonfá suggested, we called a friend of ours" " Bruno - to play the bass... just suddenly it complicated everything, because he looked like a little Eduardo Paraná." "We said: "Bruno, two notes, for God's sack!" "'Montanha Mágica' is like this..." "It's and we want to be like this during 10 minutes, Okay?"" "Suddenly it's very hard, because people think it's easy to play three notes and it's not." "It's not easy to play three notes, no way, and then the song didn't come and we were years in the studio." "It took as long time as "Quatro Estações", but we took a long time to record an album that has only eight songs." "Did you understand?" "So, suddenly, we spent hours making with 'click', without 'click', this way or that way... because Bruno, who is an amazing guy and does an incredible job with Sound Machine he didn't have our background." "I gave him a gift the album of Velvet Underground, to him know what it is." ""Look at this, 'Pale Blue Eyes', it's 5 minutes of this!"..." "Because it's our music style, we do this." "It's an old story: "Nope, it would seem I don't know how to play!"" "Forget it: "We are recording our album and it will be our way!"" "So it took a long time, because everything had a note to fix." ""No, no!" "We want to make an album that is slow!" "It's the idea, we discussed!"" "You know, that album was made on purpose:" ""Let's make a song that lasts 11 or 12 minutes?"" "Why?" "Because we feel like, we tried to follow a pop way and we weren't doing something we liked." "We said: "Well, what we are making is this!"" "The things we made and liked were slow." "Dado came one day:" ""Look, I made this song!"" "It was "A Montanha Mágica" and I said:" ""Gosh, it's wonderful!" "Come on!" Bonfá came with "O Teatro dos Vampiros", it's a pop song, but it's slow." "That is very slow." ""I always needed..."" "In that time I was very slow about the middle age, about temples etc." "We are a band and everyone brings a little from themselves." "And, for a certain reason, everybody brought something that had that vibration." "Who is in a band knows the band has its own rhythm." "It's not useful a band tries to do something different." "The band is in the driver's seat." "Everybody was saying:" ""Let's make happy songs, let's do cool and up things!" "Because this country is already in a bad situation!"" "And it actually did happen." "We could have tried, because we tried with "Sereníssima" and" ""O Mundo Anda Tão Complicado"." "But what we really thought was closer to what we know how to do among the coolest things, was just open the LP with "Because I was born, I never saw love"." "Done!" "This is the album." "After "Quatro Estações", it's a try of spiritual search a try of searching for love, we... elected Collor and he devastated our country." ""Quatro Estações" was launched right before the election and "V" was launched with Collor runs, in December... after he already took everybody's money." "So it was the atmosphere." "I'm going to talk about my life." "So it was that. "I almost believed his promises... and what I see it's starvation and devastation"." "So the album came from that way and that thing was to buy an idea. "Well, it's what we are doing?" "So let's make an album like this!"" "Listen... with "Quatro Estações", we became a big pop band..." "It was a pop moment, we were in "Veja" magazine, you know?" "From that album I think we had 9 hit singles." "It was amazing, because they aren't for the marketing." "The album opens with "It seems cocaine, but it's only sadness, maybe your city; much fear was created by tiredness and loneliness." "And timeless and waste heirs are now from the virtues we lost!" I was called Olavo Bilac of rock, wasn't I?" "Okay, but maybe it was played in the radio and everybody identified themselves." "They liked it." "Pop!" "No way, it became pop." "So we said: "Well, pop band we were already... then let's try to be another thing?" "Let's go!" "Let's see if they play 'Metal Contra As Nuvens' in the radio!" "Let's see, let's try!" And what happens was this, in that time I was using heroin." "I wasn't doing anything." "Everything was in the past." "But I decided: "Well, I always write lyrics after I have the music!"" "So the music coming was slow, it was a sad thing." "I had a certain thing "it is not working!"" "You know, all those years we went through the death-watch of Ayrton Senna." "To me it was the hope I had" " at least" " I felt since Tancredo's time." "Tancredo died, the election came and everybody believed in" "Collor: "But who knows?"" "And, suddenly, those things happened, every day, you find out the situation gets worse and worse than you've ever thought." "Because there is a moment you started seeing politicians were stealing indeed." "When that Collor Plan started, and you thought: "We are in troubles!" "What's going to happen?" It reflected in songs, I had to be honest and I didn't say "it's okay, everything is happy!"" "Actually, it's not possible to write "Quase Sem Querer", you know?" "The only way was "the world is so complicated, but I have the person that likes me"... and suddenly let's take to this side." "Now, as musics are coming and already were talking about it, what I thought it would be good to take my recent experience, and it was this thing to mix very dangerous substances and write about it." "Trying, as a composer, put in the songs this experience... to draw a picture of that moment." "So the album is a picture of that time." ""O Descobrimento do Brasil", for example, it's an album about lost." "But few people realize that, because of the way the songs are structured." "All songs are saying 'good bye', and there was nobody told me this." "But every song is saying good bye." ""Vinte e Nove" is like this:" ""When you stopped loving me," "I learned to forgive..." and "it was over". "The spring" is "over!"," ""Spirit" is "left me, it's over!"." ""Perfeição" is like that:" ""Now we can celebrate, but everything is over!" "It's everything buried and done!"" ""O Descobrimento do Brasil" is "I want to get married, but I can't!"" ""Os Barcos" is like this: "You said everything is over"." "You know?" "This is very relative." "I don't like to explain songs, because every person feels the song in a particular way." "Everybody was convinced "Quatro Estações" is a wonderful LP..." "Now I'm with this silly speach, but I remind people "Pais e Filhos" is a song about suicide." "Did you understand?" "But people don't understand." "I don't like to explain, but it's." ""She jumped from the window on the 5th floor... it's not easy to understand..."" "And the story is told, but everybody thought it's a wonderful happy album, and "V" is depressive." "So it's OKAY, I don't see so many differences." "I think "V" even offers more interpretations than "Quatro Estações", because in "Quatro Estações" the only end is the guy with the "Lamb of God"." "In "V", nope!" "In "V", the guy says:" ""I want a sunny day in a glass of water"." "The end of "Vento no Litoral" is "I will take care of myself'." "You know?" ""I want to be happy at least", "The plan is to be well"." "And people don't realize it." "It's a completely crazy thing, because every person says a thing." "So when it comes to "Legião doesn't make rock anymore"," "I don't understand..." "but this is my point of view." "Dado maybe has an opinion, Bonfá will have another opinion and another person will have another opinion." "What I see everybody recognizes things inside their own universe, what they have lived." "There are many fans that don't identify themselves with Legião Urbana anymore, because they don't want to listen to these things anymore." "And there are others who are finding out Legião Urbana now." "I receive letters from boys and girls at the age of 14 and 15." "And they listened to "O Descobrimento do Brasil"." "What is it?" "And they are there, buying the first album and finding out "Dois"." "They are listening to "Eu Era Um Lobisomem Juvenil" for the first time." "I think it's wonderful, but it's like this." "There is much what press puts in the album and what they talk about it." "As we don't talk about the songs, so it's like a nobody's land." "Every person decides what means every song." "But, for example, I think "Quatro Estações" is a heavy album." "What story is that about "A long time youth is getting sick"?" "And "There's rust upon the smile and only the destine stretch its arms"?" "Did you understand?" "This is pretty heavy, I think it is." "You know, the guy is screaming "It's only love, it's only love"" "and suddenly "don't kill me please!" "There must be a solution in this life"." "In "Sete Cidades", when the guy is saying "when your spirit is far away from me"or"when you are far away from me"or"when your body isn't near me, my spirit flies away"." "You know?" "And, suddenly, what is there in "V"?" ""I learned to wait"." "Like this," ""now I'm well, you know, but I'm not sure anymore"." "But, it's the album that works very positively, it talks about messianic thing." ""Sereníssima" is all about that..." "There is a thing." "I mean, actually, if people say that "V"" "is a sad album it's because the album is sad." "If "Quatro Estações" is happy, so the album is happy." "Regardless what I think, but it's important to remember maybe the backlash came with "V" it was a thing caused by us." "Because people don't remember in that time" "Everybody was ready to say bad things about "Quatro Estações"." "There was this atmosphere, it was a plot like this:" ""Okay, we talk good things about the guys of rock'n'roll!"" "Not only us, but every band." ""So now let's say bad things!" And we came with "Quatro Estações", there was no way they avoided... and we knew the next album, regardless what we would launch, people would say bad things about it." "It's very true because maybe "V" has the best lyrics in my opinion, and hardly the lyrics were mentioned..." "People made completely stupid coments, there was a lady who wrote in a São Paulo newspaper, saying how the lyrics didn't make sense, she quoted two sentences from "L'age D'or"." ""My ankle hurts me because of fly"" "and "My hair is wet, I feel clean"." "She said it didn't make sense and I kept thinking:" ""Why maybe there aren't flies in São Paulo." "Or maybe that lady doesn't take shower?"" "People decided it wasn't... and so it wasn't." "So it's now, with "O Descobrimento do Brasil", it's also impossible to avoid, because people are really doing a thing we know how to do and what we like to do." "It's not a difficult album. "V" was difficult and we actually decided to make, to have some freedom of action..." "But people didn't talk and I stayed with that thing "Legião is Legião"." "Who likes is the audience and who empowers us is always the audience, so we are for the audience." "I don't worry too much, but formerly I worried a lot and it hurt my feelings with things they talked about us." ""We were so cool with those people here..."" "Like this other stupid guy, from the same newspaper in São Paulo, saying we could have not written a song like "Soldados"" "because you have never joined the Army." "And explaining: "They couldn't write this lyric..."" "The guy didn't understand anything, did he?" "First that song is not about military service, the song is beyond this." "Because of this, it strengthens us to come back and make a show on a stage, because we have a contact directly with people." "But we prefer to give them time... because they are only six albums, virtually." "Although we were successful, it's a little tiresome to sing always the same songs." "It's very tiresome." "But it is this, After "V" "O Descobrimento do Brasil" came..." "Nope, there was "Música para Acampamentos"" "Ah, "Música para Acampamentos" was closing a phase." "You asked if it was "V" that closed this phase." "In "Música para Acampamentos" we thought:" ""Right, the first phase of Legião is really over"." "You know, we thought it was important to register." "This album wasn't required by the record contract; we had to sign a different contract to this album" " because they didn't want to launch it." "We had to launch after "Quatro Estações", they didn't want to launch." "The design was already done." "Because it's nice having a register of the band playing alive, isn't it?" "The record company didn't want, it was a bad time with them." "We argued with them." "I mean they argued with us a lot." "And then, when the idea of LP came out it was because the "MTV Unplugged" and, although we didn't want to launch a whole unplugged album, we thought:" ""Here there's a lot of material." "Let's use it, instead of making an alive album, it's only a presentation, maybe you listen to the show, Let's take what we can use to show how we were..." "in several moments!"" "So there were people playing Billy in 1986 in Morro da Urca" "There are songs that only with guitar an vocal; we play in front of 50 thousand people in São Paulo, there are other songs with other music and some mixes in studio." "There are tests in studio." "We thought it would be a very good idea it's a CD I like very much." "There is that version of "Baader" on the spot, with that beginning "Get out boy, I don't know what else..."." "Gosh, I think it's cool, it reminds me Brasília a lot." "And it was a cool idea..." "Now it was a think like that "Let's go" and everything..." "Since we launch a double CD alive, you know, it wasn't a greed thing." "I think it was a register of our work and to we know where we were." "You know, to we even realize:" ""Now we have some options;" "we can do a more unplugged album, something more peaceful;" "we can do something heavier, more pop..."" "You talked about greed..." "You sometimes talk about it," "Legião is a moment in your lives." "Is Legião Urbana a company?" "Nope, we have companies, don't we?" "But it is that I have already mentioned before, did you know?" "I don't do things for money... but money is the main motivation." "Because I won't be at home, starving with my guitar, if people won't listen what I'm doing." "You know?" "Every artist likes." "Artists are like children making draws and running to show: "Dad, look here at the draw!" "Mom, look at the draw," "Look here how beautiful it is!" "Ah, my daughter!" So it's this, but of course, it's that story;" "we try to play safe, mainly because of the worry with money." "Now it's my job, isn't it?" "You know, if the baker makes bread, he can even give bread to poor people, but they have to buy his bread otherwise we goes bankrupt." "And we already know how record companies work." "If you are not successful, bye bye." "If you don't sell albums, next time it will be hard you get an interview with us... because maybe the Record Company pushes other artists." "Sometimes, you won't even remember." "It'll be difficult." "It's a kind of manipulation the audience recognition by the media and press." "If you make show, it'll be hard to get a good advertisement." "If you launch an album, the distribution won't be good." "Did you understand?" "We have to protect ourselves too, because of us, and to make our albums reach distant places like Cascavel." "We have to be successful." "At least we must reach the same success of "V", this is at least..." "What I can do, for example, it's a thing we intend to do, maybe later, it's - with Rocklt, which is the Dado's record company" " we make completely alternative things." "But, from the moment we sold 3 million and a half and we are reaching 4 million of sold album, I hope because we have aptitude and we will respect the audience" "You know, I was a little afraid of the reaction with "V", but it's funny... because it's that conception." "The album keeps within the Legião style, so there are many people saying that their favorite Legião Urbana CD is "V"." "Because it's a side some people like, since "Por Enquanto" and "Eu Era Um Lobisomem Juvenil"" "it's a Legião style they like." "There are other people that don't like, others prefer" ""Que País é Este"...because they prefer "Teorema", "Petróleo do Futuro"," ""Metrópole", "1965 (Duas Tribos)" And "Mais do Mesmo"." "This is another audience." "Now, I will be completely hypocrite if I had be working to a multinational and said making a living is not important." "Did you understand?" "This interview here, as much I like MTV, I don't have to go through this trauma of being with many hairy men here in this heat, you know, talking about work and everything, if the fan didn't" "found out the product at the store and wouldn't buy it." "You know?" "Because otherwise I take may guitar and I play to my friends." "Or as we did well in the beginning, but this is another story, it's a small thing you play in a party." "From the moment we decided "we are going to conquer the world, even if this world were only Brasília and Sobradinho"." "But every artist we like are well known by the audience, and here in Brazil only now there are independent record companies that allow you have a job you have a worthy life with your job, releasing a certain number of copies." "Not so long ago, if you didn't sell 500 thousand or 800 thousands of copies, you have to make shows every day..." "because otherwise you won't have a worthy life with your job." "I think this is something that exists in all fields of activity in Brazil." "Everybody who is here in this room knows." "We have to work hard in this country and sometimes we have to do things that wouldn't be exactly our work." "But we have to go there and do it, we have to be always willing." "It's difficult, it's a flat tire, it's the bus that doesn't come, it's the money for lunch we don't have, but let's keep going and let's do it." "Although we have been successful, and very successful, I think, to Brazilian reality, because the work we are willing to do, things here are not easy." "Sometimes we prefer to invest emotionally in our lives... and try to put our mind in order to make zillion of video clips and zillion of things." "Because good or bad all money the record company invests in us, this money is ours!" "The record company doesn't have this money!" "Nope, everything they use it's ours!" "In Odeon case, for example, it's a cool record and nowadays they work very well, this all money comes from Beatles, it comes from Paralamas, Marina, from us, Milton Nascimento." "Artists who recorded with them." "During a long time, from Beto Guedes and from Clara Nunes." "Money they have to invest even in the new artists and even we make our product being expensive," ""O Descobrimento do Brasil" cost 70 thousand dollars, all this money came from us." "But for sure, people could say:" ""Okay, Renato, you are doing everything..." "But why don't you make something indepedently?"" "Because the time flew and we didn't take the opportunity." "I believe, if they had just begun, we would have tried another way." "We would try a way like Sepultura's, for example." "You know?" "Or like new bands." "But it is very attractive being in a multinational record company, because it means your music, if people like it, it will be played in the radio, it will be available at the store, broadcast on TV." "Rock is not only music, rock has information." "And even how many people are watching there in Brazil - maybe you were looking for that Legião Urbana LP and there isn't." "And see it's Legião Urbana!" "I already was looking for... when I look for something almost unknown." "But the first LPs of De Falla?" "Guys, you have to buy in the day you see at the store, because then they disappear!" "You know?" "And the problem between vinyl versus CD..." "So for sure money is important." "Now, we don't let it interfere." "I want, for example, being in peace when this interview is over, being at home and having my bed to sleep, you know?" "My son is at school... and all this is money." "It has the advantage, isn't it?" "I'm not stealing, I'm not killing and I'm not lying." "Because, even if I was the greatest hypocrite, people only buy the album if they want so." "If they turn on the radio, and it was playing a some else's song, and "ah this guy is nonsense", shift the station." "Nobody is obliged to leave and buy an X product." "Whoever is, you are not obliged to leave your house and bay Guns'n Roses' LP." "They go because they are interested in it, because they are curious, I think it's cool." "Now it's my job, isn't it?" "And I think money is important." "This we've said since the beginning." "I've never thought doing something to sell me." "Now, if I do something I believe and think it has quality, I believe we deserve to have the greatest reward." "And you don't know the quantity of money is stolen in this country." "I won't talk about it." "Because there are many other fields of activities that really suffer are..." "Teachers, doctors, people who really work... so I don't have anything to say." "I am a rock'n'roll artist, I'm famous and I have a lot to thank we are lucky people like us." "But you don't have any idea what they stole from us." "If I told you how much we pay for taxes, and the money doesn't come back..." "I don't know..." "If I have an accident here, I must go to a private hospital and... they are taking money from us, they want money, they want money..." "like this, for years, we have lived with astonished inflation we have here in Brazil, we only receive four months, five months after the deadline we should receive..." "and without correction, you know?" "So, if the album sold 10 copies in January, you'll receive in August the money from those sold copies in January... and, if so..." "So I think money is important, I am capitalist and if I wasn't, I would be anarchist..." "like people do a cooperative." "But there are ways, Dado is with Rocklt, there are new bands coming out, you know?" "I have plans to make some productions." "Then it's up to you whether it's true..." "What is the future of Legião Urbana?" "I don't know, I don't know..." "I hope we make concerts now and have inspiration to continue." "Because the well can be dry." "We don't know how long it will last." "Soon we launch our "Undercover Of The Night"" "and Rolling Stones is over, you know?" "What will I do?" "I don't know..." "but I think until now," ""O Descobrimento do Brasil", we are doing well." "Because I like the things we do... and Dado likes... and Bonfá has made songs." "But suddenly it was long ago and Pato Fu will talk about things maybe they are so cool..." "My stomach complained now!" "You know, Pato Fu suddenly launches a very cool thing, suddenly I don't need to talk about this because other bands are talking in a very special way and in a cooler way." "We are here now because we still believe there is something we can contribute." "You know?" "Even if it was repetitive, what I don't think so;" "I think Legião is very cool." "We always think: "Gosh, this is a beautiful thing to say"" "Done by (c) dcd / January 2015" "Is it your first solo album?" "Not exactly, but it's the solo album because I'm alone and a few people of Legião took part." "But I don't consider a solo album like" "I were releasing a solo career." "It's only something I wanted to do..." "It's a solo album, and only this!" "Okay, but it doesn't mean you left your Legião band." "Nope, of course not." "It comes to my participation in Betinho's campaign:" "Citizen Action Against Poverty and Starvation." "I had this idea to record these songs then because of friends'suggestion, in the very beginning of campaign, we were trying to define what eveyone could do to help." "Then a good friend of mine, Denise, she told me: "Renato, you like to sing these songs in English!" "Why don't you make a presentation only with vocal and piano to friends?" "We could organize something based on this." "A show without press only to friends."" "From this idea, the project was getting better and better." "The songs started being pretty good and I called" "Carlos Trilha, who is a keyboard player." "He's played with us on the tour of "V" in 1993..." "We started to work together, we worked on particular arranged to each song, the idea was good, I showed the project to the record, they said "OK"." "I decided to record the album." "Why were songs in English?" "What songs are you singing?" "Well, the reason I chose songs in English, it's not to confuse with" "Legião... and also because the album actually" "I gave 50% of royalties to Betinho's campaign, the album will celebrate 25 years of Stonewall - that was an event held in New York on June 27 or 28," "There was that pub, the American police were used to ...this is a thing that still happens in many places in the world... while people have fun, police get in, hit and arrest everybody." "In this day, somebody stood up and said:" ""Listen, we don't have to accept it!"" "Even because it was the end of 1960s and social right civil movements, of American black people, feminist etc, there was a social movement for individual rights." "And what happened?" "Somebody came: "We won't accept this anymore"." "And it was a three day riot against police, they put cars upside down," "They set on fire and everything." "From that moment, the idea came out "it is not because of your sexual orientation you have to be discriminated"." "This was the beginning of gay movement, it has already existed since 1940." "But it was there everything started and now in the end of June, it will celebrate 25 years." "So I decided to talk about it, because it's part of my life and I'm interested" "And also because this curious thing happened in Stonewall I was a kid." "I was in NY and I didn't know anything about it, but it is an interesting piece of information." "The fact they are songs in English it's because actually this album also is a try to exorcize a relationship I had with a man and it didn't work." "He was American, then some songs are "our songs"." "These boys' and girls' things:" ""Look, this is our song!"" "So there are two or three there they were "our songs" and, suddenly, when it didn't work," "I kept listening to those songs..." "You know, things like this." "So, suddenly, there is something about it too... and because" "I'd take much time to prepare a list of songs in Portuguese." "Because of my style of singing, cool Portuguese songs it's a thing from inside." "Because from 1950's to now, the best songs are from the bottom." "It's that thing..." ""How Insensitive"...and suddenly I like to sing with bass voice." "And it was that, and I hope people like it." "It's not a rock album, it has many pop songs." "Well, it's not a rock album." "I'm a rock singer, but it's not a rock album." "I screamed a lot, but basically the original idea of repertoire was to make a recital with songs of great American composers of 1920s, 1930s and 1940s." "Like George Gershwin," "Rodgers  Hammerstein..." "Sondheim is newer, but he was more in a style of this tradition of popular song ...and don't get into jazz." "In the end we had even Madonna." "I sing "Cherish", by Madonna." "There is a Bob Dylan song." "It should have more rock'n'roll songs, but always in a style of love songs." "So it could have" "Neil Young and even The Troggs, but at last it was a selection." "The album tells a story and so there are many thriller songs." "There is "Somewhere", by "West Side Story";" "and "When You Wish Upon a Star", it's that song in which the cricket speaks before singing to Pinocchio..." "in "Pinocchio", the movie." "There are many songs like that and I tried to make a different album... but always in this conception of "a love affair that suddenly had to work and it didn't"." "So he has a certain vibration, it's not the happiest thing in the world, but it's a very beautiful album and I think people will like it." "How many songs are there?" "You said it tells a story;" "what story is it?" "Right, there are 21 songs and it'll be released first in CD." "And then we check whether we will release it in LP." "I meant, not us, the EMI Odeon record..." "Hello, EMI Odeon friends..." "Because they thought about the market." "I'd like to release in LP, but if it were released in LP it would be double... and I don't know if people would have money to buy a doble LP - even my LP in English." "I don't know whether people will like it." "So first it will be launched this CD with 70 min long, and this story is told it's just a universal story." "The album talks about the importance of spiritual freedom... and how much oppression there is..." "how it is important people struggle for their rights." "And, in this case, to me the CD talks about a range of love affairs - of people want to find a relationship, they want to be respected like humans..." "Everybody needs love, don't they?" "So the songs talk about it, only a certain way that is not the straight view of society." "Then I sing "Cherish" by Madonna without changing the subject." "It was like this: "My boy I will always cherish you!"" "So it is this, basically it's a someone's story that suddenly meets another one." "Both get along but, because of the pressure of society or their own or whatever this relation doesn't work and then they break up each other try to follow their way... even this relation didn't work." "It's basically to be a strong album, you know?" "Care, hope, but a serious thing to be something good." "Like this: "Don't let you don't because of adversities, go ahead"." "I mean, it's I saying to myself "go ahead"" "and I follow my own way." "I think it's more or less this." "How was the CD production?" "I believe EMI is interested... because it's a Renato Russo's solo album, isn't it?" "You know, our CD" ""O Descobrimento do Brasil" is already rewarded and we have video clips that is broadcasted many times it achieved the first place in MTV." "We are in the hit parade, we leave, but we go back and we are always in 8th or 7th place with everybody who is selling CDs now," "Maria Bethânia, Jorge Ben." "It is a very good thing, I like it very much... because it's great." "But what happened?" "I went there and said to them:" ""Well, I'm willing to record a solo album with songs in English..."" "They know I probably wouldn't give up..." "I meant, they didn't say "yes" immediately." "I came two days to this studio, Discover Studio, everything is digital." "This will be the first album I make all digital." "Carlos Trilha, who is the keyboard player, and I, we made a Demo tape and we showed to João Augusto, who is the artist director of EMI." "He immediately approved, because he liked to listen it very much... and above it, we had the idea to donate half of royalties to Betinho's campaign." "I thought:" ""I'm not making this album exactly to make something different from Legião Urbana"." "There is really a different motivation in it." "It's against fascism indeed..." "I think the press is making mistakes, they are dropping bricks." "There are big newspapers in Rio de Janeiro published articles about fascists and skinheads..." "So make articles about tendecy, you know? "Nope, it's because I like to punch, you know?" It's in articles about tendency." "You read that and nobody does anything." "Nazi is everywhere." "There are Nazi people everywhere in Brazil, but in São Paulo suddenly there are skinheads..." "these stupid guy... a bunch of gays in the closet, ...Man who is man don't need to punch anybody, men who is men don't walk only with men." "Like, these playboys walk in groups of ten, doing nothing." "They have no girlfriend, but they talk about every girl who passes by." "They are sexist, intolerant, stupid and the problem is they are idiots with ideology." "And suddenly" "I - like human being, citizen and artist - thought to keep my mind in peace, it would be cool giving an answer to it." "And, using the campaign, I put two things together." "The 25th year anniversary of Stonewall, it's a special day." "This is a problem that still exists, I can't talk any longer about it." "But it's a complicated subject, because we have people in Brazil who have this idea "the Army should take control again"." "Can you believe it?" "It happened less than 10 years ago" "Military Force was in the control." "Did people forget it?" "Is it possible we forget how bad no freedom is?" "It's fascist being elected in England, fascist being elected in Russia." "Here in South America we already had Fujimori and there are a bunch of stupids in Brazil saying "we need a Fujimori"." "It's very complicated." "And how can I work with it?" "Saying aloud, making a CD suddenly I express what" "I feel and, if I could help people, let's do the best." "The CD will have a leaflet with all lyrics and I'll see whether I translate too, to people who don't know English." "And there will be a list of phones and addresses of many" "NOGs and institutions." "They are very important NOGs, organizations and institutions suddenly we can promote the Defense of civil rights." "So, to everybody who wants help or wants to help," "There will be addresses of the biggest gay organizations, the biggest group in defense of women's rights, the biggest group in defense of children's rights people can buy the album with the list there." "Because at least here in" "Rio de Janeiro we don't have even the phonebook." "So it's a complicated thing." "Suddenly people want to help" "Betinho's campaign... and the album will have all address of organizations." "The record agreed with it, I thought it very cool." "So maybe if you are in trouble and you don't know who you look for, it is there..." "Sociedade Viva Cazuza... it will have Greenpeace address, Dignity Group," "Black Woman Institute and so on." "I have been working a lot," "I called people... because I'm producing this." "I think the information is important ...and the basis of fascism and prejudice and intolerence is the lack of information." "Any one who has information thinks differently." "People who read, for example, they know there are people who live in a different way, they have different needs, have different feelings and it's not because of it this person should be mistreated." "I'm not like the guy from where I live, who has the fanciest car and watches a certain TV program, but everybody has rights." "So who will listen to love songs of this CD, which talks about love, they will know they changed they will not be against it." "You say I don't like." "It's a politically correct way to say it, but you are more engaged than ever." "No..." "I don't know, I don't like these terms." "I don't like the term, "engaged"." "Do you know why?" "I'm not politically correct." "I'm not even saying this it's something to me!" "Everything I do it's to me." "Now, from the moment I'm doing something for me, that pleases myself, and suits me." "I belive..." "I believe that many people will identify themselves too... because I'm like everybody else, you know?" "I'm not different from anyone." "What I want is more respect at work" "From every artist I respect it's only this." "Suddenly I listen to a Caetano's CD and I don't say" ""wow, Caetano is a genius!" I say:" ""Lord from heaven, he thinks like me!" "But I have never thougth about it!" You know?" "Every artist." "When I go to the movies to see a Spielberg film, you know?" "I always thank God there are people like him in the world." "I thought it was wonderful Tom Hanks won the Oscar..." "Do you know those things?" "I think it is cool..." "I'm as an artist, or a rock star, if I could explain what I feel in a way tha others also will feel what I'm saying, it the most wonderful thing in the world." "But it's not a matter of being engaged, and anything else People keep calling me to make show, but concert I don't like to make... and I don't like to be on TV." "I was in Betinho's campaign, once I made an advert." "I can help convey information." "I think it's important to know." "You speak English fluently." "Are you going to release this album abroad?" "Now everybody does that." "Do you already have any plan?" "I don't know I'm completely strange." "I'm making an album in English to be released in Brazil, so I don't know." "There is always a possibility." "I'd like the bands abroad get to know this album." "So I already received a good material." "There will be a super parade..." "...Americans love parade, will balls and all... and maybe there will be a party at Central Park on Sunday 27th." "There will be a week of celebration it will be a huge thing." "I already got the material by fax, so if I can let this CD ready and send to people, it would be cool." "Now I don't believe the album will be released by an international record, to be sold... because suddenly I made an album but it's one more thing of mine." "Suddenly abroad people will listen to it "who is this fag, singing those old songs?" You know?" "I don't know..." "Or then it became a great hit, I can't know it." "Anyway, in the contract it's set we will send it to many countries." "It was included, if they want, they will release it." "And there is this advantage is being released by multinational." "It is very important because in the US an artist couldn't do that." "I'm not becoming a success, because I don't believe it will work there, but people who struggle for human rights and has a certain sexual orientation, they can't talk about it." "Then you, who are watching MTV, when you see those strong guys, and he says about his best friend, who was killed in front of him, he can't say why happened and he also can't say what affective emotional" "spiritual relation he had with that person." "Why?" "Because in US there is a terrible thing, that there is in Brazil too, but there it is worse, it called "homophobia"" "so one can't talk about it." "It's not like Morrissey, who is a wonderful English fag and he says those things." "There you can." "You know?" "But poor guy who stays in his closet... or at least used to, I don't know." "As a Brazilian artist," "I'm lucky because in Brazil there are many problems, but it's smaller." "So the record is supporting this project and it is a very important thing." "Indeed It's very important..." "and I think it's very cool." "That's why I don't know whether it will be released abroad." "Because it's a small thing." "Even to k.d. Lang it is complicated." "Abroad it's complicated, and unexpectable." "So I don't know, but here in Brazil things are different... thank Lord." "About Legião Urbana." "Are you rehearsing?" "Are you going to make a tour?" "They have been rehearsing for a month." "So we have new musicians." "Trilha will play the keyboard again," "Fred Nascimento - who played the guitar and electrict guitar in "Quatro Estações" tour - he is back, and Gian will play the bass, he played with Leo Jaime and he is a cool guy too." "They are rehearsing, but I'm stuck here with this CD." "And as I'm the producer too, I didn't have time to go there." "Dado and Bonfá are organizing everything and as soon as I finish this album I go there and we see whether we make a tour, because I'm calm." "I don't like stage very much, no way." "Why?" "I already said this to MTV..." "Because of the riots etc." "It's so tiresome!" "Trips, rehearsal, security beating the kids, noise, hotel food, being far away from home..." "This is a tour." "A life on the road." "You know?" "It is much adrenaline, everybody feels that?" "So making two concerts is okay..." "but I can't stand doing it for a month or two, I don't like it very much." "We intend to make concerts in" "Rio, São Paulo and other main cities..." "that I won't say their names, because then people ask us." "But I hope this time the concerts will be better." "It's good to say now." "There won't be a show lasting 3 hours, like in the last tour, because... three hours are too much." "But now I'm not drinking anymore using drugs, I'm in a cool rehab program called "The 12 Steps"," "I recommend to everybody, crazy people who watch MTV." ""At 10 am:" "You are with your eyes..." Because I'm 34." "This time is in the past, son..." "I don't want to be a rock martyr," "You know?" "Then, If I'm well we make many concerts and everything will be wonderful." "You are talking about a rock'n'roll martyr." "Kurt Cobain this one will leave us fastly!" "Kurt, please, Kurt!" "I was like you," "I was exactly like him." "Now, it's hard... because a thing I learned it's that:" "There are alcoholics and addicted people." "I used to think the world was bad and complicated." "And actually it's a part of the addiction, and alcoholism." "So something pulls you to others." "In the beginning it's good taking drugs." "There are people who can do it." "But others can't!" "I can't." "So in the middle of way," "To me, the world was a chaos." "Everything was hard and horrible, and actually drugs were making my life harder." "I didn't eat well." "Those things, you know?" "Kurt, poor guy, taking 'roupinol', champagne and... 'plumba'!" "I have gone through it... and it is an unpleasant thing..." "But it's a matter of sensibility too." "Because sometimes people feel everything in a way, that is painful." "So, to go ahead you have to do your job and face a crowed, put your mind in an album or wherever, you enter a side and take the "forbidden cookies pot"." "Only in the middle of way you lose control." "I'd like Kurt Cobain to be well, but we can realize he is a guy in pain." "It's much and much pain." "Suddenly there's media chases him, in the beginning it's funny." "But I went through it and I don't think it's necessary." "It comes to his age and maturity." "He is very young." "He is young..." "I think a thing we learn." "There are people who don't and die, it happened to" "Jimi Hendrix, to Jim Morrison, to Janis Joplin, to Sid Vicious and to all of them." "And there are others who learn." "What happened to John Lennon, to lggy Pop, to Lou Reed..." "Eric Clapton, come on!" "It's a "friend" in the "12 Steps", right Eric?" "It's very cool!" "Aerosmith band..." "I'm not selling a life system, everyone does what they want, but you know - it's that history, I had to stop for a moment and say: "Do I really want to suffer a lot, wake up" "and think all is terrible and don't see good things?" Because life is not easy," "But it's not a nightmare either." "Life is what we make of it, there are good and bad things." "But to me it was a nightmare, all was a problem and I lived depressive." "It was horrible, then I drank to not be depressive." "I was great, but after" "I felt headache and I became worse." "Now, I don't go back..." "I wouldn't repeat it." "But I'm not regret, because every person grows up in their own way." "I thank the Lord's power, because suddenly I found the way." "But it's "only today", because tomorrow I can be there, falling on the ground and being punched by guards because I will be drunk... again." "I don't know, "only today"...but "only today" I'm clean and very well." "To me it's in the "past"..." "I have forgot to say something." "Do you want to think a little?" "You can say..." "Well about the album." "It's not a band playing, they are only two musicians:" "Carlos Trilha and I play the keyboard." "He has those keyboards you press a button and it plays by itself." "It's very cool." "Suddenly the most part of the songs is very simple." "Vocal and guitar, or vocal, piano and guitar." "All of sudden, among vocal and cords, an oboe comes out." "The focus is on emotion and feelings actually, besides the lyrics - because they were carefully chosen." "All of them mean something, inside an idea and some tries to convey something." "I hope people like it." "So let's see." "Besides it, In the end of rehearsal, I'm willing to make new songs to a next Legião CD..." "Let's see." "Ah, and I'd like to thank all people who wished" ""happy birthday", since on March 27 it was my birthday..." "Xuxa, Maria Schneider and Michael York." "They also celebrate at the same day." "And Gloria Swanson too." "I received many cards, calls at home... and I'd like to thank" "Done by (c) dcd / January 2015" "When nobody knows you, it's great and wonderful." "Then having success, you are in trouble." "What album were you trapped?" "It was "Dois"..." "It was strong enough to you be criticized by press..." "Yep... more or less... but it's not a matter of being criticized." "Because in that time there was RPM too... and Camisa de Vênus, and there was Blitz and many other important bands that today really don't exist, or they aren't..." "You know?" "Who remained?" "Engenheiros, Barão, Kid Abelha sometimes, Titãs... but Arnaldo left Titãs..." "But in that time there was a world to find out." "But then the backlash came, you know?" "Why didn't any band follow you?" "I don't know there wasn't anybody following us!" "I think the problem of press and records was being focused only on this first generation." "I don't know, I think it comprises beyond this question of pop culture; you know?" "I think here in Brazil there is a thing every day is getting worse and worse." "I've really been annoyed, much depressive and I've been drinking a lot..." "And this is a thing I can't do, because I have problems in the livers..." "What caused it?" "The reason is just they are turning Brazil to be a country of killers." "It's 15-year-old boy being killed on the back by police." "It's little girl being raped and cut into pieces." "And that is it... and life is not this, man." "It exists, but we have our friends, we have our work and we have beautiful people." "Where is it?" "Isn't it being told?" "I mean, this is a punch in the stomach all the time, you know?" "And it became difficult!" "So but your role in the band is to show a little bit of it." "I don't know, I like to write lyrics But it would be hard, because" " you know" " If I write a lyric talking about good things, nowadays it seems unreal." "You know, we had problems... when, 6 years ago, I think it was a concert in Brasília." "Suddenly, I'm singing there and two guards came to punch a guy and I had to stop the concert." "Then it stopped and people down there, did know what was happening, they started throwing things on the stage." "Well, it's like this Then we think:" ""Well, so we make unplugged show... smaller presentations..."" "But they are also very lazy..." "Can't your audience have another aptitude in a concert?" "I don't know, because it's what you said about 45000 people in Hollywood Rock." "You know, our fans are 100%... now I don't know whether everybody who went there was our fans; you know?" "Then I've already seen a girl being punched while I was singing "A Dança"." "No violence, but it's a song about sexism, about many horrible things, about machismo, and suddenly there was a guy pushed violently a little girl, I got so..." ""What is it, guy?"" "So you are getting at the point I want you to say about Legião." "There are people listening to your album, but they are not exactly to whom you are singing." "How much does it bother you?" "It doesn't bother me, as long as they buy it..." "Nowadays it's boring people don't have money to buy albums." "It's not a matter of want." "You know, you use information in a bad way and it creates aggressiveness or violent acts related to another person, I think it's bad... you know?" "For example, this moshing movement." "I went to Ramones' concert..." "and then I left:" ""Renato Russo left pissed off!" Of course I was pissed off!" "What did you say about Ramones' concert?" "Guy, Ramones' concert here in Rio." "First I tried to climb the stage to hold Joey." "I went with a friend this big and I said: "Throw me on the stage," "I will run!" Because it is cool, it wasn't full and I could do it." "But no, the guards caught me... and that happened:" ""You will be punched!" One of them said:" ""No, in this no, in this no!"" "And it was, and I was arrested too..." "but even, in front of Joey, I got lose, I jumped" "Guy, I don't know what looked like that..." "It seemed those exercises, people are in room and they throw a bomb of tear gas." "Do you know?" "It's very unrespected!" "Then in the news: "Show de rock is this!" Show de rock is not this!" "But there are people who watch a rock concert in this way." "But it's not this, it's not..." "If you had a concert in São Paulo and they would have begun messing up, playing Duran Duran." "Do you think you go for free?" "Was that rock concert you would like to see?" "Nope, but it's not that." "What the band does it's what the band does." "The stage is sacred." "The band uses the stage how they want." "What I'm saying it's the structure, audience, body guards, people who go to the concert to throw bomb on the stage, and cans of beer at Paula Toller..." "But, Renato," "It's only being connected to the song." "Nowadays it is a show business, there is no music any more..." "I think what is happening today the youth is being massacred in Brazil... because the situation is terrible and we don't know where to go." "People don't know what citizenship and respect mean." "I'm psychotic, man!" "I'm like Axl Rose; you know?" "If someone does something bad..." "look..." "People get sick..." "No, no sickness, man!" "I break everything!" "I break and I'm that one who leaves the stage and punches indeed!" "I was already criticized because of it;" "you know?" "So, if you'll have problems, I prefer not to do it..." "because I'd throw the microphone boom," "I'd do this, scream at everybody, get pissed off in the hotel..." "Nobody knows those things, but I'm the kind who breaks hotel rooms." "We don't make marketing on this, because no need... and we didn't make marketing." "But it's that you, you know?" "Break everything..." "Once I stayed... where was it?" "I don't know, I won't say the hotel name..." "But..." "Why?" "Because something silly happened." "Wasn't it exactly what you wanted?" "It was something silly." "Never it's silly, never it's silly." "I don't know." "But now I'm going to a therapy." "Axel Rose too..." "Yep, but he attends it 7 hours a day..." "I don't know..." "I don't need..." "I only go twice a week." "Is it possible to say you already used the songs in your concert to throw some problems away and today you don't need anymore?" "I don't know... because, I tried this time in the Northern and I almost killed myself." "Man, in Salvador concert..." "What happened?" "I became voiceless!" "I was completely voiceless!" "Everybody was in the pool, because we only stay in 5 stars hotel, they had fun... and I was there..." ""You should see a doctor!"" ""Nope!" "I want to go to the pool!" "Look, you can't eat this, you can't drink cold things, stay away from air conditioner!"" "And I was there inside the bedroom, in that hot weather, you know?" "And I was anxious when I went to the stage." "We played in incredible places," "João Pessoa is a wonderful city." "But, for example, in Salvador I was completely voiceless and you can't work." "I kept screaming like Janis, running from one side to another..." "I said:" ""Okay, Janis will sing 'Pais e Filhos':" "'Lt's necessary to love..."" ""I'm so happy!"..." "It's sad, it's sad... and people understand it and they like." "Now, it's that..." "What is your more strange reference?" "Harper's Bizarre, nobody knows..." "Introduce to us!" "Ah, maybe I have an album of them here, oh..." "Do you want to see it?" "I keep inside it!" "Californian rock is cute, like Mamas and the Papas..." "Well, it is from 1968, isn't it?" " Of course, but did you find out about it in that time?" "Ah, it is from the time..." "In that time did you find out?" "It played in the radio..." "What modern man!" "I'm not, I lived in the USA... and I was a rock'n'roll fan..." "I meant, a contemporary man..." "What?" "I received "White Album", man... at Christmas... two weeks after it was launched." "I was 8." "Is it the time you liked in the US?" "Then, when I came back, I was admiring... because in Sears there was" ""Woodstock" and it was expensive..." "I couldn't buy it no way, because it was very expensive..." "and I had to wait for Christmas or for my birthday to receive the albums as gifts." "Gang Of Four, man..." "The most influent band to me was Gang Of Four and Public Image. "Metal Box", by Public Image, to me, is what changed my life!" "And the three first Gang Of Four albums:" ""Entertainment", "Solid Gold" and that one came with a boat in" "Venice and there is "We live as we dream, alone..." You needed to see our friends in São Paulo, because people in São Paulo always supported us." "Although now they are in the press and insist that we are a bunch of old-fashioned guys, but... we were at their houses, you know?" "The first time I went out" "I opened the fridge and there was only that bottle of vodka..." ""Mommy!"..." "they had their albums and all..." "It was very curious..." "But now I don't know what I'd say." "Your collection was cooler than your friend reporter's in São Paulo?" "Nope, it was crazy." "They had things nowadays even abroad you get." "It was very strange thing..." "So you went with that expression" ""Wow, here is cool, I have to listen to everything!"?" "Nope, because we in Brasilia were elite too." "Like this, it was a crazy group." "Everybody was punk, but one wore like mod, others were like David Byrne of Talking Heads, others was fan of Undertones and wore clothes like Undertones..." "Everything was very strange..." "But were you were only a tribe?" "We were, we called ourselves punk..." "We were punks - fancy punk, weekend punk, but we were." "Did you like something many people started to like then you didn't like anymore?" "There were only 2 bands everybody started to like and I still like, they were Beatles and Smiths." "Smiths I don't listen anymore, but suddenly it was: "Ah, I found out, I found out, they are great!" You know," "Suddenly everybody found out and I said: "What shit, because everybody knows..." "and I won't like anymore!"" "But it didn't happen." "Did Seattle get you excited?" "Now it's something else..." "See, it's an ashamed to me, I listened to "Nevermind" and... hmmm, you know?" "Didn't you follow Pearl Jam?" "We see all in MTV." "Like this, you broadcast everything!" "And isn't it funny anymore?" "Nope it's not funny... but it makes you being informed at home, with visual information, you don't need to go to the store and take the album." "I love Lemmonheads..." "I love, love, love them!" "So, for example, when there is a band" ""ah, this", then I say: "let's see if the album is good"." "For example, there are very good bands" " Soundgarden, for example - everybody says to me:" "Man, you have to listen..." "because they are amazing!"" "But I don't see video clips in MTV and I don't like it very much." "It's good, but I don't like it." "I keep asking myself: "Should I buy it?"" "I bought a Pearl Jam album to listen, but the album was expensive and I can't keep..." "Are you still in that phase of songs last 11 minutes?" "Nope, in this new album, they are short..." "Probably." "Because it was another vibration, in that time what we wanted to convey in "V", for example, it was tedious and stillness." "That album was made slow on purpose." "It should have 11 minutes then 4 minutes indeed and after it has more 10 minutes..." "And it was to be in that way." "The new things, nope." "And also because my son is older, he already speaks, he goes to school." "We want to make things children understand and like." "Can we say the album is for children?" "I don't know it will be for children, but I want it in a way it doesn't hurt people's feeling." "For example, I won't make more songs like "Conexão Amazônica"." "At least in this album," "Not now." "I want to talk about psychedelic lizard that smokes hashish in the garden, you know?" "Speaking seriously, Of course..." "but speaking in another way... and showing the problem nowadays is what you will speak to a child." "Do you understand?" "It looks like "Oh Father": "what a child will believe you never loved me"." "You know?" "Why is it?" "How will I say: "Look, it's important being honest, it's important being sincere, it's important working, it's important studying... 'cause it'll give you possibilities." How are we going to do this if" "children would say: "Ah okay, dad..." I have many young friends." "They are 17, 18 and 19 who don't do anything, man!" "They are not willing to and don't need! "dyed face generation", What is "dyed face generation"?" "Another day I was there, drunk as usual, and I had this show... of those two girls..." "I think Daniela, Lobão's girl... and Carla..." "They made an event there and I don't know the name..." "I can't say it, but at last I was drunk and falling." "Then I went to joke with Robert Smith and I took a lipstick." ""Sandra, give me your lipstick!"" "I dyed my face in red..."Dyed face", today you can do it..." "Then people are indifferent... and that's why I think it's important." "Even being symbolic and a thing that doesn't change anything - like you dye your own face - but with this you are giving your identity." "It's yours," "It's your process and you are using your body as a language." "I think it's very important, because people are very indifferent." "Formerly people didn't react, nowadays they aren't reacting." "People are in panic and in need." "So it's that thing, a crazy thing indeed..." "You can't arrive this way, and cuddle someone..." "Do you still miss that time?" "No, because after all it was tedious." "In the beginning it was very good, but then it started to become a thing..." "like, you know... and people started to work a lot... and we made a tour." "Did you go through that backlash in 1980s?" "Nope, because I'm lucky in not having so many friends, but I have good friends." "This is a positive thing and" "I have many boyfriends too." "So I face it well." "Many?" "How do you deal with many men?" "It's another relation, you understand?" "It's another relation!" "I meant a person you can visit and you can hold, you know?" "Safely... but, like, it's like your brother or cousin, only there is something else." "Right?" "But there are people in my life." "Do all these boyfriends know it?" "Everybody is friends, sometimes" "No, it's like..." "We listen to music together, watch TV together and go to the movies." "We do this kind of things, you know?" "Then sometimes there is something hot..." "and there is no obligation of fidelity, because there is much loyalty." "Because I separate fidelity from loyalty, you know?" "You can be loyal..." "and suddenly fool around." "And suddenly you can be loyal, and your mind is in another place, and you are cheating your partner all the time." "I don't know how to explain, but I feel like this." "And that is." "Then I felt in love truely... and it didn't work very well, I can't anymore." "I keep waiting..."Darn, I want to feel that again!" But then if it starts, your heart beats faster and I don't know if I want this." "Do these fast affairs make you feel good?" "Or it's not "the real thing"?" "No, I don't know what "the real thing" is." "I believed during a long time in romantic love." "Nowadays I don't believe romantic love!" "I believe in respect and friendship; you know?" "With or without sex, at least;" "or a physic expression." "But it's respect and friendship." "What I thought about passion, this thing of romantic love, I think it brings much pain and it always has an end." "It always has an end..." "Is it always bad?" "Isn't there a positive side?" "No, because you suffer and keep thinking about the person." "You don't work well." "At the same time you discover many good things in you, at least it happens to me, I find out envy and jealousy... and possessiveness, in my case it's very macho, and it bothers, you know?" "The I prefer not to have this kind of relation." "It's that thing:" ""Let's go out today, honey?"" ""No, today I don't want!" "Why?" "Let's go out!" "I don't want!"" "And then, do you know when the fights start?" "The cool things is:" ""What are you going to do today?" "I will do this!"" ""Ah, can I go with you?" Or:" ""I don't feel like going with you!"" "When you get in a macho relation, you are aware of it?" "I am jealous, possessive and Italian..." "Yep, but isn't it a condition for true love?" "Doesn't it need to go through these things?" "No, I don't think the true love does go through it." "To be easy to we survive, or then not be so difficult, it's important to have just a bunch of friends." "And what happens you are going to find out your male and female friends are more than friends I'd call them female and male friends, you know?" "People who do make part of your life, and who you have physical... contact with... or who you have a spiritual with exchange." "Another family?" "Yep... and, thank Lord I have this in my work." "I don't see Dado and Bonfá a lot, but sometimes we make hot dogs." "On Sunday there was a barbecue and it's great, because children are there and you are there doing nothing." "Friends are to we have fun together!" "People get to know each other..." "But, like this," "I don't know..." "It's not so wonderful." "But it's like that, it's like that... and I'm lucky..." "With these friendships." "Except the band, of course, do those friendships last long?" "They do!" "I have this Capricorn thing." "If you don't know, it means If a person considers..." "Because we don't choose friends, do we?" "It's friends who choose us." "But, for example, if a person chose me as a friend, I can not see him or her for 10 or 15 years, we are still friends." "In the meeting this feeling is immediate." "Yep, otherwise whom you argued with..." "because I have done it before, those people I don't want to see anymore in my life." "Ah, I had to change my phone number..." "Was it because of the people you insisted being your friend?" "Nope, it was because "I love you, I love you"."I was dismissed and I don't have your love', nope, my son!" "You should have told me in that time, when I loved you!" "Now it's late!" But then "I love you!" And "Look you are goings to be punched!"" "Then my psychotic side came..." "but he kept calling, calling, calling, calling, calling..." "Then now I changed my phone number." "When you have a close relation, do you send clear messages or you like to play games?" "And like this, with a red heart on your forehead and rings the bell, like "Renato, I like you!" "Renato, I like you!"" "Because sometimes a person feels like dating me and I don't give a damn..." "Sometimes it's necessary to come: "Eh... eh..." "Ah..." "In the breakup you had, did you send a clear message?" "Ah nope, of course." "Absolutely." "And it's that story, in the" "Garth Brooks' song, like this "if tomorrow never comes"." "I go bananas if I don't say what I feel for this person and this person, for some reason, leave me." "So I always say..." "If one left me there would be no way back." "Nope in two senses." "When I like someone I go and say:" ""Look, I like you very much!"" "Because it's very hard you talk about it, sometimes." "But when you listen or speak?" "Did you listen this and it didn't work?" "Sometimes It's like this..." ""Why..." "cannot another person be?"" "But it's like this?" "People are people..." "Human is human..." "These interviews... you want to say non-sense..." "and we have to say non-sense!" "Non-sense?" "Done by (c) dcd / January 2015"