"Good evening." "You are about to see a dramatization of actual facts in which some of the names have been changed." "But the story is true." "If it were not true, it would not be believable for it is one of the most bizarre chapters in the history of crime." "We may not like to accept that people such as those in the story of Helter Skelter exist in our life, and yet they do." "And while they do, we cannot say that the story of Helter Skelter is ended." "The foothills and canyons above Beverly Hills in the early morning hours of Saturday, August 9, 1969." ""It was so quiet, " one of the killers would say  "you could hear ice rattling in cocktail shakers in the homes way down the canyon."" "What was that?" "Sounded like a gun." "Come on, let's go to bed." "All right." "Hey, hey, hey." "Shut up, you two." "You two are gonna end up in the pound if you don't look out." "Now what's the matter, boy, huh?" "What's the matter?" "Cookie." "Cookie." "What are you shaking for, huh?" "Please, don't." "Don't." "No, please." "Please, no." "No." "No!" "And what direction did the screams come from?" "I couldn't say exactly." "In these hills the sounds get scrambled." "Murder!" "Murder!" "Murder!" "Six-Adam-25 at location." "All right, please, everybody move back." "Just move back, please." "We don't know anything yet." "How do you open this thing?" "Miss, how do you open this thing?" "I'll need you to identify the bodies." "I can't go back in there." "No, no, no way." "No." "Hey, look, there's even blood on this button." "Is that the killer?" "Where did you find him?" "How many did he kill?" "Well, what's his name?" "Garretson, William." "Mr. Rosner?" "Sergeant Smith." "Homicide." "You are Mr. Polanski's business manager?" "Yeah." "It's going to be difficult for you, sir." "we know, but we need your help." "This way." "The first one is in this car here, Mr. Rosner." "Can you identify him, sir?" "No." "No idea?" "I never saw him before." "All right, can we look at the others now, please?" "Voytek." "Who?" "A friend of Roman's from Poland." "Voytek Frykowski." "Okay, good." "Do you know her?" "I think so." "It'd be a big help if you could make it positive." "Gibby." "Abigail Folger." "The coffee family." "Yeah, she and Voytek were staying with Sharon while Roman was" "Sharon?" "I'll have that blood sample in five seconds." "Okay." "I'll get that later." "That's Jay Sebring." "I think." "I don't really know." "I know he's beat all to hell, but you're pretty sure?" "Yes." "Would you come to this side of the sofa, please, Mr. Rosner?" "Oh, my God." "Sharon." "Often called one of the world's most beautiful women Miss Tate was eight months pregnant at the time of her death." "Her body, clad only in flowered bikini panties and bra and bearing multiple stab wounds was found with a nylon rope tied around her neck." "The other end was around the neck of Jay Sebring known men's hair stylist, who according to police had been stabbed, beaten and shot." "Police describe Garretson's answers as stuporous and unresponsive." "They said he would be held for further questioning." "In other developments, law enforcement sources confirm today that drugs have been found in the house on Elysium Drive as well as in Jay Sebring's Porsche." "One day after the Tate murders, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca return from a trip to the mountains." "Veteran newsmen theorize that the fact that Garretson was held for questioning had not been specifically" "How are you folks?" "Fine, Herb." "I'm not." "She's upset because of these killings." "A terrible thing." "Yeah." "The world is full of crazies." "They got the guy, so what's the worry?" "It sure sounds like the guy." "Have you folks been up at the lake?" "Yeah." "It must be nice there." "I don't know." "I couldn't get a racing form up there." "Listen, the last time we were up there somebody went through our house." "I'll see you later." "So long." "How old are you?" "Nineteen." "Keep your look forward, please." "Were you the caretaker?" "Yes, sir." "Is your true last name Garretson?" "Yes." "Did you know the boy they found dead in the car?" "Steve Parent." "But not so good." "Concerning Steve Parent, did you cause his death?" "No." "You understood the question?" "Yes." "Do you feel responsible for Steve's death?" "Well, that he even knew me, yeah." "Huh?" "Well, that he even knew me." "I mean, he wouldn't have come to visit me that night." "Nothing would've happened, in other words, to him." "Did you cause Mrs. Polanski's death?" "No." "Why are you so nervous?" "Wouldn't you be?" "Not if I was telling the truth." "But I am telling the truth." "So relax." "I can tell you what made me so nervous if you want to know." "What?" "When they brought me in here a policeman pointed to me and said. "That's the guy." "That's the guy who killed all those people."" "So it's not because you're lying?" "I'm not lying." "I'm just confused." "Why are you confused?" "Well, for one thing how come I wasn't murdered?" "Are you Franklyn?" "Yeah." "Harry Jones, Sheriff's Homicide, and my partner, Bob White." "We know each other." "Hi." "Ted." "Sit down, fellas." "You want some coffee?" "Oh, we're on our way to eat." "Well, it's about that time." "You're on Tate, right?" "Yeah." "What do you got?" "Maybe nothing." "We've been on the Hinman case." "Hinman, the music teacher?" "He was cut up pretty good like the Tate people." "The same kind of crazy viciousness, you know." "And we saw in the Teletype that the Tate killers left a message, "pig."" "Yeah, in blood." "The Hinman killers wrote "political piggy" on the wall." "In blood." "Well, didn't you pick up somebody on that?" "Bobby Beausoleil." "So he was in custody during Tate?" "The thing is we don't think he was alone on Hinman." "He's been living with a bunch of hippies at the old" "A bunch of weirdos out there." "They think their leader is Jesus Christ." "Jesus Christ, huh?" "Peace and love and flowers." "These are bigtime dope murders, Harry." "Now we're sure of that." "Well we thought it was worth mentioning anyhow." "Similar mode of death, message left in both places both printed, both in blood, the word "pig" in both messages." "Well, I see what you mean, but the dope angle is the only one that fits here." "You want to come and eat with us?" "No, thanks." "I'm brown-bagging." "I gotta hang around." "So long, sir." "Good luck." "Sunday, two days after the Tate murders." "I really am sorry, sis, to get you up so late." "That's okay, Frank." "I don't blame you." "When I saw all the shades down and the boat in the driveway and the light on in the kitchen and Mom didn't answer when I kept knocking, well, I got a little scared to go in." "You did the right thing." "Susan, why don't you wait here, and Frank and I'll take a look." "Garretson is released for lack of evidence three days after the Tate murders two after LaBianca." "I don't see any connection between the Tate and LaBianca killings." "There are similarities, but we think the dissimilarities are so strong as to preclude any connection." "For instance" "And the writings on the wall?" "I don't know who told you there was writing at the LaBianca residence." "I didn't say there was." "We believe the LaBiancas were killed by a copycat." "There are a lot of psychos." "This sort of thing turns them on." "Are you saying the killings were done by psychos?" "I'm saying we have no motive and there was no connection between the victims that we know of." "That you know of?" "That we know of." "Drugs were found at the Tate murders, while none were found at the LaBiancas." "We believe the Tate killings were a drug burn." "Now, here's that Beatles album I told you about." "I don't say it's anything solid, but I got me a hunch." "Mark, you guys working on the Tate case?" "LaBianca." "Ted's on Tate." "Now here, you see?" "I've got something for you guys." "A good cigar?" "Those pieces of gun grip you found at the Tate scene they come from a Hi Standard .22 caliber Longhorn revolver." "Now, that's known as a Buntline Special." "It's patterned after guns that Ned Buntline made for Wyatt Earp." "Look, the firearms experts broke the case." "As usual." "They're not too many made with that kind of grip." "We're sending a flyer out to every P.D. in the U.S. and Canada." "In no time at all, you'll have your gun." "Sure." "One chance in a 1 000." "All you do is match up the bullets found in Sebring and Frykowski your case is solved, just like on TV." "That's not the way you break cases, Hank." "You do it by filling out forms in triplicate." "Now, here's a song called "Piggies."" "They printed "death to pigs" on the wall." "Right." "And here's a song called "Helter Skelter." "Helter Skelter was on the refrigerator door."" "Look, I know it's a wild guess" "That's not so wild." "It's not as wild as stabbing some woman 41 times and then go on stabbing her even after she's dead." "It may as well be thrown in." "We don't have much." "You said it." "Well, it beats a blank." "Yeah, hopefully." "One week after the killings in answer to complaints of an auto-theft ring but unrelated to the Tate-LaBianca investigations deputies from the L.A. Sheriff's Department conduct a raid at the isolated Spahn Movie Ranch in the Simi hills northwest of Los Angeles." "Because some of the members of the hippie cult at the ranch sleep in groups away from the main buildings many of the officers move into the ranch from the back way." "All right, put your hands on your head." "Keep them where I can see them." "Get up!" "Come here!" "Get up!" "Danny DeCarlo, a member of the Straight Satan motorcycle club." "Danny stays at the ranch because of the wide variety of girls." "Hold it!" "Susan Denise Atkins, 21 years old also known as Sadie Mae Glutz, and infant son, Zezozose Zadfrack Glutz." "This one's got a baby." "Come on." "All right, come on." "Let go of my arm, Christ." "Okay, Charlie, come on out of there." "Come on, let's get your hands up." "Move!" "All right!" "Damn it." "I'm coming!" "All right!" "Get out." "All right!" "All right!" "I'm coming!" "I'm coming!" "I'm here, man!" "All right." "Quit struggling!" "You're not gonna get hurt." "Just be quiet, Charlie, everything's okay." "All right, on your feet." "Let's go." "Up." "Up." "What's the matter?" "You're under arrest." "What for?" "Grand theft auto, okay?" "Let's go." "Why don't you tell them to relax." "I'll tell some of the girls to be nice to you." "Sayce, 22 years old, also known as Moses, also known as Boots." "Steve Grogan, 17, also known as Clem an escapee from a state mental hospital." "Patricia Krenwinkel, 22 years old also known as Katie, also known as Marnie Reeves also known as Big Patty, also known as Mary Ann Scott." "There he is." "All right, Charlie tell them I'm a ranch hand." "I'm not part of your crummy Family." "Look, wake up old man Spahn." "Ask him." "I don't belong to this gang." "I'm a ranch hand." "Damn it, why do you do this to me every time you put a bust on these bums?" "I work here." "You take me in, Flynn, who's gonna do the work?" "Will you tell us what you know?" "You're damn right." "Snitch!" "Snitch!" "Snitch!" "It's not nice to snitch, Shorty." "Horse manure." "Charles Milles Manson, also known as Jesus Christ, God, Soul, the Devil." "Charles Willis Manson, born No Name Maddox, November 12th, 1934." "Mother, Kathleen Maddox." "Lived with a succession of men." "Married briefly to William Manson, who gave young Charles his last name." "Let's start getting these people out of here." "All right, all children with their mothers." "All females, let's go." "On your feet." "Single-file line to the bus." "On your feet, girl." "What do you think we're on?" "Okay." "All right, on your feet." "Get on your feet." "Kathleen Maddox served time in state penitentiary for armed robbery." "Charles lived with relatives, then his mother and a series of her lovers in rundown hotels." "Unwanted, he ran away at 12, burglarized several stores was caught and sent to Boys Town." "Fled four days later in a stolen car." "Committed first armed robbery, age 13." "Has spent 17 years, one half of his life in boys homes, jails and federal penitentiaries." "Took guitar lessons in prison from Alvin Karpis lone survivor of the old Ma Barker gang." "Twice married and divorced." "Fathered two children, probably more." "Criminal record includes burglary, armed robbery, attempted escape parole violation, homosexual rape, assault, procuring mail theft, grand theft auto, forgery." "Psychiatric evaluation: emotional instability, rejection reaction psychic trauma, bisexual, dangerous, assaultive." "Three weeks after the murders 9-year-old Steven Quint is working with his father in their back yard." "Hey, Dad." "Hey, Dad, look what I found." "I'm holding it this way so I don't mess up the fingerprints." "I saw it on Dragnet." "My son's convinced this gun was involved in every major crime from the Black Dahlia to those Tate murders three weeks ago." "We appreciate your calling, Mr. Quint." "It looks like it's been used to hammer something." "Thank you." "Steven Quint's discovery is tagged and filed in the property room of the Van Nuys Division of the Los Angeles Police Department." "Come out!" "Come on out!" "Let's go!" "Come on out!" "Come on!" "What happened?" "We had to release them." "DA's reject." "Insufficient evidence." "My aching back." "Come on, let's go!" "Come on, go!" "Go!" "Sheriff's Homicide, Jones." "Harry, Phil Cohen here." "Hey, Phillip, what's up?" "Well, just a thought." "You were working on that Hinman case?" "Yeah, we're still on it." "Well, Mark and I are on this LaBianca thing, and we were just wondering what exactly did you find printed on the walls at the Hinman place?" ""Political piggy."" "Political piggy?" "Right, Hinman's blood." "Political piggy." "That's one hell of a coincidence, huh?" "You said it." "By the way, Phil...." "Yeah." "We picked up that whole gang out there at Spahn Ranch." "You know, that's where Bobby Beausoleil was living when he killed Garry Hinman." "There's a ranch hand out there you might want to talk to." "Name is Shorty Shea." "He's had a couple run-ins with the leader of this gang and he may have heard something." "Right, Shorty Shea." "I got it, Harry." "Thank you." "You bet." "Okay, bye-bye." "Come on in." "Hi." "Hi." "You're new around here, aren't you?" "Charlie left me here to take good care of George." "They took off, huh?" "I thought the place looked deserted." "Manuel Gris, Mr. Spahn." "Phil Cohen, Mr. Spahn." "I recognize your voice, Mr. Cohen." "Charlie and his girls took off the day after you were down here last time." "Over a month ago." "Yeah." "You gentlemen want some lunch?" "No, thank you." "Some other time." "No, thank you." "But we were wondering, Mr. Spahn if Mr. Shea had come back from San Francisco yet." "Shorty?" "Couple of Charlie's girls told us he went to San Francisco for a few weeks." "That's what Charlie told me too." "But it wasn't like old Shorty to haul freight like that without saying boo to me about it." "But he just turned up missing one day, and I ain't seen hide nor hair of him since." "learned exclusively that pieces of a gun grip were found at the Tate murder scene." "And that the gun police are seeking is a .22 caliber pistol." "That's the news." "And now, this comment and a question:" "Two months have passed since Sharon Tate and four others were slaughtered." "And yet not one suspect is in custody." "Not one piece of concrete evidence is presented to a frightened community that progress is being made." "Sounds like the gun Stevie found." "Had a broken grip, didn't it?" "It must not be the one." "When was it we gave it to the police?" "Was over a month ago." "Surely they'd have come back to ask more questions by now." "And search the hillside." "Help!" "Death Valley, California, two months after the Tate and LaBianca murders." "Stephanie Mark, 17 years old." "And Kitty Lassiter, 17 years old and five months pregnant." "Please, will you take us somewhere?" "Oh, please!" "Where you going?" "Anywhere at all." "Somebody is trying to kill us." "All right, who?" "Charlie Manson." "Please!" "Come on!" "Come on." "Get in the back." "They tell the officers the Manson Family left Spahn Ranch a month before and has stayed at Barker Ranch in Death Valley." "Kitty is pregnant by Family member Bobby Beausoleil now in custody in Los Angeles for the murder of Gary Hinman." "Stephanie is a recent favorite of Charlie Manson, now fallen from grace." "Both girls believe Manson will kill them for what they know." "They don't know that Manson and the Family were arrested two days earlier for the destruction of an earthmoving machine." "We got him over in the jail at Independence." "We picked him up, and the gang, yesterday." "What for?" "Arson." "Burning up one of those earthmoving machines." "You have anything to do with it?" "No." "Sir." "Are you taking us to Independence too?" "I'm afraid we'll have to." "You're not gonna put us with them, are you?" "No, you'll be by yourself." "Now, what are some of those things that you know that Charlie wishes you didn't?" "Bobby Beausoleil didn't do it by himself." "I know that." "What's that, kill Gary Hinman?" "Sadie was there too." "She helped." "Sadie?" "Sadie Mae Glutz." "Sadie Mae Glutz." "Is that her real name?" "No, I think her real name is Susan Atkins." "Susan Atkins is Sadie Mae Glutz?" "Isn't that the girl we arrested yesterday?" "You better call the L.A. County Sheriff's Office." "Have them send somebody down to talk to that little lady." "Even after Bobby slashed his face, he just wouldn't give us the money." "Is that why you ended up having to kill him?" "The money?" "Sure. $5000." "We knew he had it." "He just wouldn't give it to us." "So me and Bobby took turns sleeping and guarding him, so he wouldn't get away." "And one night, while I was in the kitchen I heard Gary yell. "Don't, Bobby."" "And he staggered into the kitchen." "He had blood on his chest." "Sort of pouring out through his fingers, you know?" "What happened then?" "Well...." "We thought that was it for him." "He fell down, he was just laying there." "So we wiped the house for prints, okay?" "And we were about to jam out of there." "and we heard Gary again." "Just moaning and groaning." "He's a funny guy." "He just wouldn't die." "Just wouldn't." "So Bobby went back in, and I heard Gary again." ""Oh, no, Bobby." "Please, don't."" "And then I heard a sound like gurgling, as when people are dying." "Susan." "Would you repeat this on tape for us?" "No way." "Why did you tell us in the first place?" "For fun." "You can't use it." "I'll just say I made it up." "Okay, Sadie Mae." "We'll be bringing you back to L.A. this afternoon." "You have any objection to flying in a small plane?" "I love to fly." "Two months and one week after the Tate-LaBianca killings Atkins is arrested for the Gary Hinman murder and brought to Sybil Brand Institute for Women in East Los Angeles." "Take 31, that's your bunk." "Cute." "Yeah, probably straight too." "What's your name, honey?" "Sadie." "Sexy Sadie." "Charlie." "Charlie's the strongest man alive." "They keep putting him in prison." "They can't break him." "He has powers." "Powers?" "Believe me." "I mean, he's not very big, physically but everybody does what he says." "Even when he doesn't say it." "You know what I mean." "No, not really." "He's...." "He's our father." "He's our leader." "He's our love." "Really good. huh?" "Our teacher." "He's everything." "In fact...." "You're a nice person, Ronnie." "I can trust you." "Thanks." "No, I feel that." "Ronnie." "Yes?" "Charlie's Jesus Christ." "He is?" "Oh." "What are you in here for?" "First degree murder." "Gary Hinman." "Did you do it?" "Sure." "They got it wrong." "They claim I held him while Bobby stabbed him." "The way it came down was Bobby held him while I stabbed him four or five times." "Cops are really dumb." "What do you mean?" "There's a case right now." "They're so far off the track, they don't even know what's happening." "What are you talking about?" "That one in Benedict Canyon." "Bene--?" "Oh, you don't mean Sharon Tate?" "Sure." "You know who did it, don't you?" "No." "Well you're looking at her." "You gotta be kidding." "Boy, I'm tired." "Why don't we go to bed?" "Why don't I stay here?" "I'm really tired." "Well...." "Okay." "Good night, love." "Good night." "Danny DeCarlo?" "Hello." "You know Kitty Lassiter?" "No, man." "I never heard of her." "She says you used to hang around Spahn's Ranch with Charlie Manson's Family." "Man, I never heard of him either." "Couple of charges pending against you." "I believe, Danny." "Grand theft and a federal rap." "Giving false information while purchasing a firearm." "Maybe they made a mistake cutting you out on your own recognizance." "Well, I guess you boys wanna ask me a few questions, huh?" "The morning of November 18, 1969, I was on my way to work in the Hall of Justice." "It was just three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders." "Vince!" "Come here, I was looking for you." "What's this all about?" "Never mind." "You'll see." "We've got statements from the bikers." "Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo." "Well, they finally found you, huh, Vince?" "Congratulations, Vince." "On what?" "I want you to okay this press release before we let it go out, all right?" ""Dateline, Los Angeles." "November 18. 1969." "DA Evelle Younger's office announced today that Deputy DA Vincent T. Bugliosi has been named co-prosecutor in the Sharon Tate murder case."" "Are we gonna handle it?" ""Mr. Bugliosi, chosen from a staff of 450 lawyers to prosecute this case has previously tried 104 felony jury trials." "losing only one."" "You make me sound like a sure winner." "What do we got to go on?" "Not much." "Few statements, that's it." "None of which can be used in evidence." "Why not?" "Aranda?" "That's right." "California Supreme Court." "The Peoole v. Aranda. 1965." "These are all statements from defendants implicating codefendants." "So Manson ordered Hinman killed." "Yep, that's the way Bobby told it." "He said Charlie sent him." "Mary." "Sadie" "Wait a minute." "Who's Mary?" "Mary Brunner, man." "Is this her?" "Yeah, that's her." "Her and Bobby and Sadie." "They went to Gary's place." "By the way, my man is Charlie gonna know I talked to you guys?" "Charlie's up in jail in Independence." "Charlie's got a long reach, man." "None of the girls know you're here." "We'll make sure they don't." "Just between me and you the little dude scares the hell out of me." "He's a freak, man." "I mean, he did Shorty just like that, just because he thought he was snitching." "Who told you that?" "It's in the tapes." "I told the other detectives." "Tell me again." "So your story doesn't change." "I'm telling the truth." "Now, what would be the point?" "Okay, Danny." "All right." "Who told you about killing Shorty?" "Cisco Budge." "Said they cut him up in nine pieces, man." "Is this him?" "Chopped his head off too." "That's Boots." "Boots?" "Yeah, man." "Boots." "He was one of the young kids." "He hung out to the ranch." "He didn't seem to fit in with the Family." "Boots is no longer with us, Danny." "What do you mean." ""Boots is no longer with us"?" "He's among the dead." "Well, terrific." "Since when?" "Couple weeks ago." "Accidentally shot himself playing Russian roulette." "Who was with him?" "Cisco Budge." "Cisco Budge?" "All right." "Okay." "Boots must have got out of line." "That wasn't no accident." "Some other members of the Family" "I know." "I know." "And they all tell the same story, right?" "That's it, partner." "I ain't talking no more." "I'm riding out of here on the wind." "There's still charges against you, Danny." "I don't think you'll feel very safe in jail." "That's where Charlie is." "That sure is cold, man." "Danny, go to Spahn Ranch with me tomorrow." "Oh, no way, baby." "No." "Not the kid." "I heard some of the Family is still up there." "We need a guide." "If you don't wanna go, it's your decision." "Well, what about the charges, man?" "All right." "All right." "I'll do it." "Yeah." "I'll do it." "If you handcuff me." "Flapping to the fuzz, huh, Danny?" "My God." "Does she live here?" "Yeah, she lives here." "She's happy." "Is it all right to be happy?" "And they had this 9 mm Polish random automatic." "Danny, did you ever see a .22 caliber Buntline revolver?" "That's the one Charlie carried." "Here's another .22." "Wait a minute, are you sure of that?" "About the Buntline?" "Hell, yes, I'm sure." "Cleaned the guns." "I am a weapons man." "So Charlie had a .22 caliber Buntline." "That's the one he did the Black Panther with." "You hear about that one?" "No." "That's the kill that went down about a year ago." "Charlie had some trouble with this nigger over a dope deal." "So he snuffed him." "When was the last time you saw that .22" "Buntline?" "A week before the sheriff's office raided us." "So that would be August 16th, right?" "Hey." "Charlie didn't allow no calendars or clocks at the ranch." "About a week after the Tate killings." "I asked him what happened to his gun." "He always carried it in a holster." "I noticed right away it wasn't there." "He said. "Hey, man." "I just gave it away."" "Danny, do you think Charlie had anything to do with Tate?" "Man, I don't feel like talking about that." "You know, Shorty's buried around here somewhere, in nine different graves." "He was a real right dude too." "Danny, if we ever find this .22 caliber Buntline revolver, could you ID it?" "Hell, yes." "I could." "Who was the last to die?" "Sharon was the last to die." "I was holding her arms behind her and she's looking at me." "begging and crying." ""Please, don't kill me." "Please. don't kill me." "I don't wanna die." "I wanna live." "I wanna have my baby." "I wanna have my baby."" "And I looked her straight in the eye." "and I said:" ""Look, bitch." "I don't care about you." "I don't care about your baby." "You better be ready." "You're gonna die." "and I don't feel a thing about it."" "And I proceeded to stab, okay?" "Okay." "And you know what?" "What?" "I just kept stabbing her and stabbing her until she stopped screaming." "But she was pregnant." "Didn't it bother you to kill her?" "I thought you understood." "I loved her." "And in order for me to kill her." "I was killing part of myself when I killed her." "In fact, Charlie gave us instructions to mutilate them." "We were gonna cut out the baby if we had time." "I gotta go to the can." "You know the other two?" "The next night?" "LaBiancas." "Well, what do you think?" "And there's more." "Before one guy, we cut his head off." "Three more out in the desert, and more besides." "At least 11." "Eleven they'll never solve." "And there's gonna be plenty more to come." "We're gonna pick out some of the biggest pigs and execute them and release them from this Earth." "You have to have a real love in your heart for people to do this for them." "You know?" "I gotta go to the can." "I'll let you get some sleep." "Sergeant, my life could be in danger if anybody catches me talking to you." "I know who killed Sharon Tate, and I wanna talk to the lieutenant, please." "You know who killed Tate, and you want the lieutenant?" "I'll tell him." "Real soon, please." "I said, I'd tell him." "Okay." "Now get back in line and go to lunch with the other girls." "Did you ask him?" "Ask who?" "Oh." "Yeah." "He wants more details to see if you knew what you were talking about." "Okay." "Could we go someplace else private?" "I happen to know that the killers did not cut out the baby." "So you tell her that her informant is either lying or unreliable." "Quit wasting our time." "Sergeant Broom, that's not what I said." "I didn't say she cut out the baby." "She wanted to cut out the baby." "They wanted to do all these other kinds of things." "And they didn't have the time." "That's what I told you." "I think we've bothered the lieutenant enough." "No." "The matter is closed." "Oh, my God." "Here, take these." "You go to court today, don't you?" "Well, it's nothing to get thrown about." "Oh, it's not that." "I'm just nervous." "I'll give you each 50 cents if you let me get in front of you in this line." "Cash?" "Yeah." "Here, look." "Come on." "Deal." "Oh, thanks a lot." "Bus for the court leaves in four minutes." "Yeah, well, what do you want me to do?" "I know." "I know." "The lawyer said" "Hello, is this Homicide?" "Oh, my name is Ronnie Howard." "And I" " What?" "Howard." "Yes, sir." "I wanna report that I know the people that committed some of the murders that you are presently working on the cases right now." "Yes, sir." "And" "Ronnie Howard, sir." "Yes." "Which ones?" "Well...." "Sharon Tate is one of them, sir." "If we don't find the gun and tie it to Manson, we have nothing on him except hearsay." "None of the statements places him at the murder scenes." "But he ordered these killings!" "He ordered Shea." "Tate." "Hinman." "LaBianca." "He's as guilty as Hitler." "Can we prove it?" "Not yet." "Then we better go with what we got." "What have we got?" "Susan Atkins." "L.A.P.D. wants to make a deal with her." "No way." "Immunity for her?" "If what she told Ronnie Howard is true." "she personally killed Hinman and Tate." "We don't give her anything." "We may have no choice." "Chief Davis doesn't want her to walk away any more than you do." "But the public pressure on him is unbelievable." "Every time he shows his face." "a reporter asks him:" ""What, if anything, is happening on Tate?" He is being pilloried by the press." "Aaron, just give me some time." "We don't have time!" "Inyo County can't hold Manson forever on that arson charge." "He'll disappear the minute they spring him, unless we make a case against him, fast." "Motive." "We need a motive, Vince." "What would be the motive for the Tate slaughter?" "Robbery?" "No, no." "It can't be robbery." "Too much valuable property left behind." "That's right." "Well, you know how tough it is to prove conspiracy, Vince." "And that's what we gotta prove if we're gonna convict Manson." "Right, right, right." "You gonna prove that Manson's domination over these hippies is so great that he ordered them to commit seven seemingly unmotivated murders?" "And they obeyed?" "Good luck with the jury on that one." "The Panamint Mountain Range." "The western edge of Death Valley." "Three months after the killings." "Frank Fowles, DA of Inyo County guides a search party to Barker Ranch, where the Family lived for over a month..." "...prior to their arrest in October." "Now, you're sure this trip was necessary?" "You mean to tell me, Manson drove that bus up the way we just came?" "He brought it up here from the Vegas side, which is only a little less rough." "It'll never be driven out of here." "I can tell you that." "These magazines all have an article on Hitler in them." "Oh, Charlie's a Hitler nut among other things." "Vince, I have never heard anything like the report the raiding officers turned in on this gang up here." "Drugs, sex orgies, dozens of girls running around naked." "Hell, they were charging all over the landscape in a bunch of dune buggies they brought up here." "They had field phones strung all over the area." "You" " You know this Charlie thinks he's Jesus Christ." "Yeah, so I heard." "Vince..." "...what exactly are you looking for?" "Remember that .22" "I told you about?" "Come on, there are no guns here." "This place has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb." "Well, at the LaBianca residence the credit cards were stolen, and her driver's license." "Maybe they stole some dresses." "Hey." "These dresses come from good stores." "Maybe we can find some blood stains." "At the Tate residence, a killer left a bloody heel print on the porch." "There was a little mark, a little indentation." "If I could match that up...." "Hey, Ross, did you find anything?" "Oh, yeah, everything except blood." "This is the filthiest mess of clothes I've seen." "It should be cleaned, then burned." "What time you got?" "3:30." "Already?" "You sure about that thing?" "Within a minute, you could bet on it." "It gets dark early up here." "I think we should start back." "Independence, California, November 21, 1969." "Lisa Armbruster, 25, also known as Richie." "Married name, Mrs. Charles Nicholas." "Cindy Jane Orelia, 21, also known as Freckles, also known as Martha Ellen Fry." "Excuse me, girls." "I've been looking for you." "Aren't you Cindy and Lisa?" "I'm Vincent Bugliosi." "Oh, the DA from L.A.?" "Did you enjoy your trip to the ranch?" "We visited Charlie in the jailhouse." "He told us you were there." "Well, how'd you girls like to have a little chat with me this afternoon?" "Sure, if you'll buy us some candy." "You two are the first actual members of the Manson Family I've had a chance to talk to." "You seem very happy." "We are." "Mr." "Fowles has a very nice office." "Are you always this happy?" "What's the secret?" "We found the truth." "What's the truth?" "Charlie is love." "Charlie is love." "Is that it?" "How do you mean, the male-female sense?" "Well, that's it, but that's only a part." "Love is love." "You can't define it." "Did Charlie teach you that?" "Charlie taught us to look at ourselves and see the love within." "When you accompanied Charlie up to Barker Ranch in that bus..." "...how did he get it over the washouts?" "He flew it." "You mean--?" "You actually believe Charlie made the bus fly over the washouts?" "Oh, we were there." "Do you believe he's Jesus Christ?" "When you were at Spahn Ranch, Charlie assigned you to keep house..." "...for George Spahn." "Is that right?" "Yes, I love George." "Is your love for Charlie different than for George Spahn?" "No." "Love is love." "Come on." "George Spahn is over 80 years old." "I'm in love with George." "If he asked me to marry him, I would." "He's a beautiful person inside." "And he's a good lover too." "Actually, I'm not very interested in your sex life, Cindy." "What I am very, very interested in is what you may know about the Tate, Hinman, LaBianca and other murders." "We don't know anything about any crimes." "All we know or care about is love." "I see." "Well, do you mind telling me where you two were on the nights of August 8 and 9?" "There's no such thing as time." "There's only love." "Okay." "Charlie, let's get going." "Gate's open." "Unlocked." "Gate open." "Okay, Charlie." "Let's go." "Charlie, tell me, what is it you got against these earthmoving machines anyhow?" "That's the pigs ripping off nature, man." "Is that a fact?" "Well, let's go." "Come on." "Three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders Manson is arraigned at the Inyo-Kern County courthouse for the destruction of the county's earthmoving equipment." "I understand Manson's going to plead not guilty to setting fire to that machine." "He'll get bail." "Ask for as high a bail as possible." "You can hold him till I'm ready for the grand jury in L.A." "Okay." "Five deputies for me?" "What do you gentlemen do when you get a real baddy?" "That's Jesus Christ." "What'd you do with his disciples?" "They sound alike, say the same thing, nobody tells me anything." "That's telling me something, Manson is exercising domination over these girls." "The way we can get them to talk is to bring them to L.A away from him, and question them separately." "The wandering troubadour act of his." "It's part of a con to get us to underestimate him." "If he looks like he's gonna make bail, give me a call in L.A." "Okay." "The Manson girls are transferred from Independence to L.A. County jurisdiction." "Pigs, bye-bye." "I've talked to the girls, Danny, and I believe Manson had enough domination..." "...to send them to do anything." "Not just the girls, Clem, Tex, Bobby" "Why?" "Why would he send them to kill Sharon Tate and everybody in that house?" "They didn't go there to rob them." "They didn't take anything." "See, Charlie taught the Family that pigs just deserve to die." "I mean, that's all they were good for." "He wanted to kill the pigs, blame it on the niggers and start a race war." "Why a race war?" "Well Charlie was always preaching that the karma was turning, you know?" "And it was blackies turn to be on top." "But why?" "I don't know." "That's just what he said." "Who did he call pigs?" "The establishment." "Pigs." "They use that word a lot, don't they?" "That's right." "All the time." "Well, if the other girls talked like you say, fine." "More power to you." "Why do you need me?" "Leslie Van Houten is interrogated by Sergeant O'Neal of homicide, L.A.P.D." "I wanna know who was involved." "I wanna know how it went down, all the details." "I said I'd talk about it if I changed my mind." "I haven't changed my mind yet." "You're gonna have to talk about it someday." "Maybe, but not today." "Hey, how did you ever trace it back to Spahn?" "Who did you see leave the night of August 8?" "I went to bed early that night." "Really, I don't want to talk about it." "Why are you trying to protect them?" "I don't need to protect nobody." "You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of people." "The Family's no more, Leslie." "Charlie's in jail." "Not for long." "Clem's in jail." "Boots killed himself playing Russian roulette." "Boots dead?" "Playing Russian roulette?" "How?" "Who else was there?" "Cisco Budge." "Was Cisco playing too?" "No." "Boots was playing Russian roulette all by himself." "Kind of odd, isn't it?" "Yeah, it's odd." "Leslie we know that five people went to the Tate residence." "Three girls and two men." "We know that one was Charles." "I don't think Charlie was in on any of them." "There were only four people went up there and three of them were girls." "I heard one girl didn't murder anyone while they was" "They were up there." "No?" "Who was that?" "Girl by the name of Linda." "Linda who?" "I don't know." "Who told you she was there?" "I don't remember!" "I don't remember who told me little details." "Susan Atkins told 15 people in the jailhouse she was there and that she took part in it." "That's incredible." "Didn't she mention anyone else?" "Charlie and Katie." "Not Charlie." "Charles." "He's Tex." "Tex Watson." "She mentioned Tex and Katie?" "That's right." "That's pretty nauseating." "She said that Katie was there." "Now." "I know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel." "And you know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel." "She said she went out the next night and killed two people." "Sadie said that?" "I'm not saying another word." "Nothing!" "Leslie, when you help me, you're helping yourself." "If Boots was found playing Russian roulette." "I could be found playing Russian roulette." "We'll give you 24-hour protection." "Oh, that would really be nice." "I'd rather stay in jail." "Based on inadvertent bits of information leaked by Leslie Van Houten and others and interviews with detectives, L.A.P.D. issues warrants for arrests of three persons." "That's right, sheriff." "Charles Denton Watson." "Male Caucasian, 6-feet-2." "160 pounds slim build. ruddy complexion." "born December 2. 1945." "5-foot-3." "187 P.C. Murder." "22 years old, brown hair, blue eyes." "That's correct, sir." "Krenwinkel, Patricia. 187 P.C." "Linda Kasabian, age 20, no physical description, present address unknown." "Hi, Vince." "How you doing?" "Talked to Sheriff Ansel in Watson's hometown in Texas." "Watson's there." "Sheriff's gonna pick him up." "Ansel." "Ansel." "Watson used that name." "He's using his hometown sheriff's name?" "Second cousins." "I smell extradition problems." "Maybe good news." "What?" "Watson was busted on a drug charge in Van Nuys on April 23 and fingerprinted." "I sent the fingerprints down to latent print section on rush order." "You come up with anything?" "We're working on it." "When we find it, we'll give it to you." "Right." "Thank you." "Print on Watson's right ring finger matches the latent thumb on the front door to the Tate residence." "I'll buy you a cup of coffee." "That's the first piece of physical evidence connecting any of the suspects to the crime scene." "What about Manson?" "Not one of the five girls will discuss him." "Not even Van Houten." "So the big fish is still out of the net." "The only shot we have is Atkins, Vince." "Immunity for the little monster." "We don't have much choice." "A minute ago I was happy, now I'm down." "No matter who we convict, if Charlie and Sadie go free, we failed." "Partial failure, maybe." "Partial isn't as bad as total failure." "Somehow judging my life by the size of my failures doesn't really grab me." "Concord, NH." "Three months, two weeks after the slayings Linda Kasabian, hearing that a warrant is out for her, surrenders to police." "In McKinney, Texas Sergeant Phil Cohen telephones his report to L.A.P.D." "The sheriff." "Ansel, won't let us talk to Watson or even take his fingerprints." "I don't know." "We're not gonna get much cooperation from these good old boys down here as far as getting Watson to L.A. to stand trial." "Listen." "Before we go in, Dennis." "let's check signals." "I want this to be a short meeting." "This is to confirm with the DA what we've discussed." "The best deal that we can give Susan is if she cooperates and testifies truthfully before the jury about the Hinman, Tate, LaBianca cases then we will not seek the death penalty against her in those cases, okay?" "You won't use her testimony against her or her codefendants at the trial." "We're getting the short end." "She's all we've got." "At least we'll get indictments." "I don't want a lot of renegotiation..." "...to start after we get in Younger's office." "I'm with you." "He knows how lucky he is." "Aaron, Vince!" "Lieutenant, you know Dennis?" "I've seen him around." "Could I speak to you alone?" "I'll meet you inside." "Right." "Right, guy." "We got an exemplar of Krenwinkel's prints from Mobile." "The print of the little finger on her left hand matches a latent that Gerebone lifted off a door in Tate's bedroom." "You do good work." "Most of the time." "Who's your friend?" "It's great having physical evidence but I've gotta have the .22" "Buntline and a case against Manson." "Now you know that the grand jury proceedings are secret...." "Thank you very much, gentlemen!" "Thank you." "Where did you first meet Charlie?" "I was living in his house in Haight-Ashbury." "Were there other young men and women living in that house with you?" "Oh, sure." "Would it be fair and accurate to say that as a group you were into drugs?" "Sure, that would be accurate." "Shall I get back to Charlie?" "Yes, go ahead, please." "Charlie's looking at us right now, and he can hear everything we're saying." "Susan, Charlie is up in Independence, in jail." "You're not capable of understanding." "Well I was sitting in the living room, this is about two years ago and a man walked in, and he had a guitar with him." "And all of a sudden he was surrounded by girls, and he started to sing." "He sounded like an angel." "You are referring to Charles Manson?" "Yes." "A couple of days later, he asked me to go for a walk and we walked a couple of blocks to another house and he told me he wanted to make love with me." "I acknowledged the fact that I wanted to make love with him." "And when I had all my clothes off, he told me to go over to the mirror and look at myself." "I didn't wanna do it, but he took me by the hand and made me do it." "And he said." ""Go ahead and look at yourself." "There's nothing wrong with you." "You're perfect." "You always have been perfect."" "Did you have sexual intercourse with him?" "Yes." "Was there any limit to what you would do for him?" "No." "Did you steal for him?" "For him?" "Well." "I stole." "We all stole." "Credit cards, cars, other things." "Did Charlie Manson ask you to steal for him?" "No, I took it upon myself." "I was...." "We get programmed." "Programmed by Charlie?" "By Charlie, but...." "It's hard for me to explain it so that you can see the way-- The way I see." "The words that would come from Charlie's mouth would not come from inside him." "They would come from-- From what I call the infinite." "The infinite?" "Yes." "The infinite." "On the eighth of August, did Charlie instruct you and other members to do anything?" "Well, I never recall getting any actual instructions from Charlie, other than getting a change of clothing and a knife and was told to do what Tex told me to do." "Did he tell you the type of clothing you should take?" "He said to wear dark clothes." "And who went with you that night?" "Katie, Tex and Linda." "And Tex said we were going to a house that used to belong to Terry Melcher." "The only reason we were going there was because Tex knew the outline of the house." "Did Tex tell you why you were going to Terry Melcher's former residence?" "To get all the money and kill whoever was there." "Didn't make any difference who." "You were told to kill them all?" "Yes." "Did all of you girls enter at the same time?" "Only two of us entered." "One stayed outside." "And who stayed outside?" "Linda Kasabian." "And Frykowski ran for the front door, yelling for somebody to come and help him." "When he did, Tex got to him and started hitting him over the head with the gun butt." "When the gun butt broke, he started stabbing him." "Well when I came out of the house, I saw Tex stabbing Abigail Folger three or...." "I don't know how many times." "Katie and I were looking for Linda because she wasn't around." "Then Tex went over to where the other man was on the lawn." "Frykowski?" "Yes." "And Tex kicked him in the head and the body didn't move very much, and I believe it was dead at the time." "We have a juror who would like to be excused for just a couple of minutes." "And then Tex told me to go back in the house and write something in the victim's blood." ""Something that would shock the world," he said." "Well, I'd previously been involved in something similar to this where I saw "political piggy" written on the wall." "So that stuck very heavily in my mind." "So I went back in the house and walked over to Sharon Tate, and I heard sounds." "What kind of sounds were they?" "Gurgling sounds, like blood flowing into the body out of the heart." "What did you do then?" "I picked up the towel, turned my head and touched her chest and at the same time." "I saw that she was pregnant." "And I knew that there was a living being inside of that body, and I wanted to but I didn't have the courage to go ahead and take it." "I took the towel with Sharon Tate's blood walked over to the door." "and with the towel wrote "pig" on the door." "And when we got back to the ranch, Charlie was waiting for us." "He wanted to know what we were doing home so early." "Tex told him basically what we had done." "He said:" ""It all happened fast and there was a lot of panic."" "He said. "Boy, it sure was helter skelter." And then I wiped the car down for blood." "and I went to bed." "I made love to someone." "Clem, I think." "I'm not sure." "Maybe I imagined it." "Now we come to the second night, the night of August the ninth." "Well, that evening Charlie told me again to go ahead and get an extra set of clothing, and I looked at him and I knew what he wanted me to do." "And I gave a sort of sigh and went and did what he asked me to do." "Who went with you that night?" "Charlie and Katie and Tex and Linda and" "Charlie went with you that night?" "He was in the car, yes." "Who else?" "And Leslie." "Leslie Van Houten?" "Yes." "And then Katie said the woman heard her husband being killed and started to scream:" ""What are you doing to my husband?"" "And then Katie said that she then proceeded to stab the woman." "Katie told you this the next morning?" "Like I said, Charlie and Linda and I drove off after they went into the house." "Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down." "Rosemary LaBianca?" "We found out later it was Rosemary LaBianca." "Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down because she was fighting all the way up until she died." "Then Katie said she went in the living room with a fork in her hand looked at the man's stomach, put the fork in his stomach and watched it wobble back and forth." "She said she carved the word "war" on his stomach." "Then did Katie, Tex and Leslie leave the house?" "No." "First they wrote some stuff in blood." ""Death to all pigs," I think, and "Helter Skelter" and "arise."" "Then they took a shower, went in the kitchen and made something to eat." "Susan, what do the words "pig" and "Helter Skelter" mean to you and your Family?" ""Pig" was a word used to describe the establishment." "But you must understand that all words had no meaning to us." "And "Helter Skelter" was explained to me." "By whom?" "Charlie." "I don't like to say Charlie." "I'd like to say the words came from his mouth that Helter Skelter was to be the last war on the face of the Earth." "It would be all wars that had been fought built one on top of the other, something no man can conceive in his imagination." "You can't conceive of what it would be like to see every man judge himself and then take it out on every other man all over the face of the Earth." "Sunday, December 14, 1969." "Four months after the murders took place the world begins to read Susan Atkins' story of the murders." "Hey, Charlie." "Hear what happened?" "Your little tootsie sold her story to the newspapers." "It's all in there." "How you done it." "How they done it, all on your orders." "Think you're a big deal, don't you?" "Well, I wanna tell you, your butt is in a sling." "Know what they're gonna do to you?" "They're gonna walk you the long walk." "They're gonna drop the pill on you, Charlie." "What do you think of that, huh?" "Huh?" "It's the same story she gave the grand jury." "Can't use that." "Can't use this." "They'll claim a fair trial's impossible." "Too much publicity." "It's gonna be hard finding jurors that haven't heard about this." "This just makes a tough trial tougher." "Susan's lawyer swears the sale was made only for European publication." "He has no idea how The Times got ahold of the story." "Just a fortunate accident." "The Los Angeles County grand jury hands down the following indictments:" "Leslie Van Houten, in custody in Los Angeles two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder." "Susan Atkins, in custody in Los Angeles, seven counts of murder and one count of consoiracy to commit murder." "Charles Tex Watson, in custody in McKinney, Texas seven counts of murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder." "Patricia Katie Krenwinkel, in custody in Mobile, Alabama seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder." "Linda Kasabian, in custody in Los Angeles seven counts of murder, one of conspiracy to commit murder." "Charles Manson, in custody in Independence, California seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder." "Hi, Manny." "Hey, Vince." "You're not supposed to be walking alone." "You're on Manson's death list." "Oh, wonderful." "Glad you came." "I'm doing the arraignments in four minutes." "Phil and I brought Charlie from lndependence today" "You sneaked him in, didn't you?" "I don't want him talking to the girls." "The girls don't even know he's here." "Good." "All I have to do is get a case against him." "Don't worry, you'll nail the bastard." "You better come up with some big nails." "Right now I've got an indictment." "That's all I've got." "This little Sadie will exercise her right not to testify at the trial and since it's all I got." "I'm finished before I start." "Can't use her testimony against her or her codefendants." "We'll find something for you, Vince." "Hurry." "With what we've got now, the judge will throw the case out before trial." "Krenwinkel's fighting extradition." "I grant the continuance." "Mr. Bugliosi." "Charlie's very close." "He's sending vibes." "You better believe Charlie's got power, Mr. Bugliosi." "Once in the desert he picked up a dead bird and breathed on it, and it flew away." "Can you believe it?" "The girls are separated so they can't talk Manson's brought here in maximum secrecy and still they found out he's here." "Jailhouse scuttlebutt cuts through anything." "Yeah, they'd love us to think they find out by Manson's magic." "Wanna hear a joke?" "Del Arnold, Watson's lawyer, is the son of Oscar Arnold." "Who's Oscar Arnold?" "He's the campaign manager for the candidate who's running for Attorney General of Texas." "Who's the candidate?" "Why." "Judge Anthony Milo, that's who." "Who's Anthony Milo?" "He's the judge who hears our request to extradite Watson so we can try him on seven counts of murder and who grants delay after delay to the client of the son of his campaign manager." "Although he wouldn't allow personal considerations to get in justice's way." "After all, he's a good old boy from Texas." "I hadn't thought of it that way." "I forgot." "I got a meeting." "That's funny." "That hasn't happened before." "My watch stopped." "Charles Manson, under indictment for the seven Tate-LaBianca murders is to be tried with codefendants Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten and Charles Tex Watson." "The California Penal Code provides that if at the end of the people's case the court feels the prosecution failed to put enough evidence to sustain a conviction on appeal, the judge is empowered to acquit the defendant." "The consensus in the legal community now is that Manson who has boasted of 35 murders will soon be a free man." "Four months and one week after the slaughter of the victims an event takes place that still embarrasses the L.A. Police Department." ""Started the car and Tex told her to get over." "We all got into the car and there was nothing but just blood and exhaustion." "We had blood on us, so we changed our clothes as we were driving." "We went for a ride to look for a place to dump the bloody black clothes." "We drove along a steep embankment." "I got a picture in my mind and all it shows me is the side of a mountain and a road."" "Then they had to turn right off Elysium Drive." "There's none of that stuff heading to Beverly Hills." ""We stopped." "Linda got out." "I'm sure of that and threw all the clothes drippy with blood and knives as fast as she could over the side of the embankment down a ravine, I guess you'd call it."" "Okay, let's go." "Start changing your clothes." "Show this beautiful torso of mine in broad daylight?" "Some chick will go over the side." "Look out for cops." "With our luck we'll get picked up for exposure." "Maybe." "Just keep your eyes on the road." "Yeah, don't worry about it." "How you doing?" "Okay, getting there." "Wait a minute." "Beautiful pair of legs yourself." "Yeah." "Hey, I can see the evening news." "Three guys from ABC picked up for undressing in a canyon." "You never know." "We'll take a shot at it." "Hey, two cuties at 3:00..." "They're coming up." "Are they?" "Yeah." "Great, baby." "Terrific." "We're getting there." "Here they come." "Hello, girls." "How you doing?" "Hi, sweetie." "Bye-bye." "Okay, I'm done." "You done in the back?" "I'm done." "Yep." "Okay." "All right, finished, right?" "Okay." "It's 6 minutes and 20 seconds." "All right." "The first wide shoulder I come to in the road, I'm gonna pull over." "Hey, looks like clothes down there." "There's a whole wardrobe down here." "December 16, 1969." "Four months and one week after the Tate-LaBianca murders." "Hello?" "My name is Ben Quint." "I'm calling about a gun that may be the gun that was used in the Tate murders." "You see, my son found" "Quint." "Q-U-I-N-T." "Quint." "My son found a .22 caliber revolver." "We turned it over to the Van Nuys Police and" "First of September, Labor Day." "It was just two weeks after the Tate murders." "And" "What do you mean, you don't keep guns that long?" "I cannot believe that you would throw away what might be the single most important piece of evidence in the Tate murders." "Now." "I" "Yeah, but this was not just any gun." "This was" "Hello?" "Hello?" "He hung up on me." "He what?" "Says they haven't got time to check out every citizen report on every gun they find." "No wonder nobody feels safe anywhere in the world." "I'm gonna call Clete Roberts at Channel 2." "Maybe a newscaster has the power to expose this kind of cynicism." "Take these bullets to the lab, will you, Sam?" "The one on the left is the test bullet." "The one on the right was the bullet taken from Jay Sebring's body." "Now, there's no doubt that it's the same one that was fired from the .22" "Buntline." "Let me take a look." "That burns me up." "We could've had it months ago." "The department has its share of incompetence." "So does the DA's office, from what I hear." "Not to mention the United States Senate, the FBI, the Department of State." "Hank, do me a favor, please." "Just help me hang this gun on Manson." "Lawyers play with people." "And I'm a person." "And I won't be played with in this matter." "Even though they may know all there is to know about the law they don't understand the free-love society of the generation gap." "And they don't understand people that are trying to get out from underneath all of this." "There's not an attorney in the world who can represent me as a person." "I have to do it myself." "Mr. Manson I've tried my best to convince you that the complexities in this case require the best possible legal minds." "Why don't you understand that?" "Christmas Eve, 1969." "Judge Keene, unable to convince Manson that he is making a "sad and tragic mistake" grants him permission to serve as his own lawyer." "Watson's attorney told the press he'll fight to keep his client in Texas if it means going to the Supreme Court." "Watson and Krenwinkel." "The only two that are scientifically..." "...connected to the crime." "Out of reach." "Temporarily." "What if Manson demands an immediate trial?" "He's got a right to go within 60 days." "He'll do it if he finds out we're in trouble." "No question." "Hey, Aaron why don't we bluff?" "If Manson thinks we're in a hurry, maybe he'll start stalling." "Worth a try." "Let's do it." "You got a lot of toys for the kids?" "That's Gail's department." "Merry Christmas, Scrooge." "Oh, thanks, Santa Claus." "Happy Hanukkah." "Hey, Santa Claus, it's 2:00." "How long can you go on working 1 00 hours a week?" "I just bought myself a hell of a Christmas present." "A motive." "The kids will be up early." "I'll finish all of this." "If you're gonna get any sleep at all" "These are crazy crimes." "An ordinary motive won't do." "Robbery, revenge, none of them fit." "They took a few things, but left more." "Almost as if taking was an afterthought." "They didn't know them and had nothing personal against them except they were pigs, establishment people whose crime was working, sleeping in beds, getting married" "And taking baths." "Susan Atkins said that Manson was trying to ignite Helter Skelter." "She described it as the final war, all the wars rolled into one." "An apocalyptic vision in which the black man would take over." "That's unbelievable." "Unbelievable, right?" "Too far out." "Maybe we just better start believing it anyhow." "Five and a half months after the killings, Judge Dell sits in for Judge Keene." "I ought to have the same rights and privileges as any other attorney." "But I wanna interview Linda Kasabian and Sadie Mae Glutz and their attorneys say that I can't." "They have a right to do that, Mr. Manson." "Well, I got a message from Sadie." "And she told me the district attorney made her say what she said." "That's too nonsensical to respond to, Your Honor." "Your Honor, the people are prepared to go to trial at the earliest possible date." "I'm not ready, Your Honor." "I need more time." "Continuance granted to February 9th." "That's one way to get a message to Sadie." "Tell the press we coerced her." "It's the next best thing to picking up the phone and telling her how to recant." "Hi, guy." "The exact measurements of the LaBianca knife wounds." "Okay." "But why?" "I need to prove that some wounds were made by knives other than the kitchen's." "I don't get it." "If the wounds were made by the LaBianca's knives the logical inference would be that they entered the residence unarmed then killed the LaBianca's with their kitchen knives." "Defense counsel could raise a good point." "If Manson sent them to kill, why would he send them unarmed?" "Oh, right." "Good thinking, Vince." "Hi, Manny." "Hey, Vince." "I just got word that" "This album's got all the words on it." "Yeah, I know." "All the stuff that they wrote on the walls." "You knew about that?" "Well, sure." "I talked to Art and Mark about it only a week or so..." "...after Tate was killed." "Give me strength." "I even put it in the report, but it seemed so, you know...." "Weird." "Too far out." "Yeah." "Crazy." "Unbelievable." "You said it." "No, unbelievable how in a crime like this, everyone looks for conventional clues..." "...instead of crazy ones." "I got good news for you." "Lieutenant got word they're gonna turn Watson over." "It's about time." "How about that?" "The Texas Secretary of State just signed the extradition order." "Listen, you're not gonna try and make a motive out of this Helter Skelter stuff are you?" "Nobody will buy it." "Unbelievable?" "Manny, do you ever light those things?" "Nope." "Unbelievable." "You're arraigned on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to murder." "Five months after the killings, Kasabian is arraigned on seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy to commit murder." "Keene accepts her plea of not guilty." "At the same time in McKinney, Texas, Judge Anthony Milo vacates the extradition order on Charles Watson and grants another 30-day continuance." "Hey!" "Come on, girls, get it on!" "Free Charlie!" "Charlie!" "Right." "Okay, thanks, guy." "Yeah." "Vince." "Vince, I got some good news and some bad news." "Why don't you keep the bad news?" "George Brewer wants to make an immunity deal for Linda Kasabian." "Oh, I'd much rather have her than Susan." "But we're already legally committed to Susan." "It's bad enough we had to give her anything." "I don't believe this." "Krenwinkel in Alabama." "Watson in Texas." "We may not get them back here in time for the trial." "Van Houten, she wasn't along on the night of the Tate murders." "No way, we make deals with Atkins and Kasabian, who do we prosecute on Tate?" "Just Charlie?" "And his is the weakest case we've got." "People won't stand for it." "In Bel Air." "the fear's so real you could feel it." "Relax, will you?" "Relax." "I said he offered her." "We may be glad to have her one day." "Take a look at some of those ones." "Copies of things Lisa, Cindy and Gypsy have been sending to Susan and Linda." ""Always think of the now." "No time to look back, no time to say how."" "In other words, don't say anything." "On Manson's orders." "He wants them to drop lawyers so they'll have a united defense." "Susan's gonna repudiate her grand-jury testimony." "And refuse to take the stand." "A blanket defense that fails to convict Manson sets them free." "If I have time, I can make a case." "You don't have time!" "Where's the missing link?" "The motive." "The personal motive." "You're gonna get up there in front of that jury and try to convince them that Manson wanted to start a war between blacks and whites." "so the blacks could take over." "Right." "Charlie Manson, who hates blacks?" "Vince, they'll lock you up." "DeCarlo and others told me that was the way Manson thought." "I interviewed Death Valley miners." "He preached the same philosophy to them." "Like Hitler." "Remember those magazines I found at Barker Ranch?" "The ones with articles on Hitler?" "Yes." "I asked a miner if Manson ever said anything about Hitler, and he said yeah." "Manson said Hitler was a tuned-in guy who wanted to level the karma of the Jews." "That's the kind of stuff he said." "I'm gonna find out enough to convince you and a jury" "Vince, Vince." "I'm on your side." "remember?" "Hey, I'm sorry." "It's frustrating." "Yeah." "That creep." "Bodies all over the place." "Who knows how many?" "If he walks..." "...and they get on the street" "I know what you mean." "I know you do, Aaron." "I know." "It's just I gotta bitch to somebody." "Besides Gail." "Are you kidding?" "Yeah, besides Gail." "She's getting used to it." "Oh?" "I don't believe me." "I've got an interview, and I'm sitting here with you." "Good luck." "Oh, let me show you this." "The new secret weapon." "The Bible?" "If all else fails, pray, right?" "Paul, I understand you were sort of Manson's right-hand man at one time." "What exactly did you do?" "Well, one of the things I did was I got girls for him." "You got girls?" "Charlie'd say. "I need some new love."" "He used to call the girls young loves." "So I'd go out and get him one or two." "Do you mind if I turn this on, Paul?" "I wanna just record this." "Testing, testing, one, two, three." "Testing." "Go ahead." "Testing." "1.98 marked down from a dollar and a half." "Testing, testing." " 1.98 marked" "Okay." "Now, I want to go into a lot of things with you." "The orgies Manson supposedly organized." "Did organize." "Did organize." "His domination of the Family." "His attitude toward death, fear, the Beatles, the Bible." "How did he do it?" "Did he use fear?" "Well, sure." "That was a big part of it." "Charlie was always saying that fear was beautiful." "I must have heard him tell the Family 50 times they ought to live in a constant state of fear." "Yeah, but why?" "Well, to Charlie, fear was the same thing as awareness." "The more fear you had, the more awareness you had." "The more awareness, the more love." "You know what it's like?" "It's like when you're really all scared out." "You know, and you come to now." "Well, when you're at now, you're totally conscious." "So he wanted people to be afraid, is that it?" "The more fear the better." "Charlie said that death was beautiful because people fear death." "Fear really turns Charlie on." "Paul, you seem like an independent sort of guy, not just a follower." "And yet you stayed with the Family for a long time." "Was it just the girls or was there some other reason?" "I thought Charlie was Christ." "Vince, don't like to interrupt you, but you looked like you could use some good news." "Krenwinkel gave up her fight against extradition." "That's right." "She'll be out here tomorrow." "Looks like our luck is changing." "Hey, man, karma, Karma." "Right, right, karma." "Right." "Now, Paul, while my luck is running." "I wanna get to the subject of motive, okay?" "I talked to Greg Jakobson and Brooks Poston and they told me Charlie was always sounding off about the ninth chapter of Revelations." "Oh, yeah, the Beatles laid that on him." "You know, that White Album of theirs." "Man, that blew Charlie's mind." "He said it was beautiful." "Charlie said that the Beatles were sending him messages through their music." "You know, like that song "Revolution 9."" "Charlie dug it the most, man." "He said it was beautiful." "I mean, Charlie was hip right away they were referring to Revelation 9." "I heard you knew about that, Paul." "so I came prepared." ""The shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle."" "Right." "Dune buggies." ""And on their heads were as it were crowns like gold and their faces were as the faces of men."" "Bright lights." "Bright lights, you know." ""And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions."" "The Beatles' long hair." ""And they had breastplates, as it were." "Breastplates of iron." "And--"" "Electric guitars." ""The sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots..." "...of many horses running to battle."" "Oh, yeah." "Well, see, that's their music, you know, the rhythm and the volume of it." ""And they had tails like unto scorpions and there were stings in their tails."" "The wires leading to their electrical instruments." "Charlie had this thing come to him once, and he says...." "I don't remember all of it." "May I see that?" "Yeah, down here." "See it right here where it says:" ""And the four angels were loosed." That's the four Beatles." ""And the number of horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand."" "That's the motorcycle gangs roaming the Earth spreading destruction according to Charlie." "And look here." "Right here again where it says "breastplates of fire."" "Electric guitars." "I wanna ask you specifically about that Verse 15 quote." ""The four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour and a day and a month and a year to slay the third part of men."" "Oh, Charlie said those were the people who would die in Helter Skelter." "One third of mankind, the white race." "Doesn't that include the Family?" "No!" "No way, man." "That's where the fifth angel comes in." "Isn't that the fifth Beatle, the one who was killed in 1962..." "...before they took the name Beatles?" "Let me see this here." "Here." "Right here." ""And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the Earth." "And to him was given the key to the bottomless pit."" "Hey, Mr. Bugliosi, it's no secret in the Family who the fifth angel is." "The ruler of the bottomless pit." "It's Charlie." "So being in the bottomless pit, he'd survive." "Here." "Now here's Verse 11." "Where is it?" "Here's Verse 11." ""And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon."" "You see, Mr. Bugliosi, you got the King James Version here." "Charlie had the Catholic version." "And in that version, the angel of the bottomless pit also had a Latin name." "Do you remember what it was?" "Sure." "Exterminans." "Exterminans." "Charles Manson." "It fits." "Yeah, right." "The way Charlie had it figured out was that the Beatles were sending him messages." "You know, that this was all coming down now." "Not next year or sometime in the future, but right now." "He'd play that song over and over again listen to every sound real close." "He said it was a message just for the tuned-in people." "That the Beatles favored the revolution." "But how was this revolution supposed to come about?" "Well, according to Charlie blackie would rise up and start committing super atrocious crimes against whitey." "And this would start a race war." "Whitey and blackie would fight each other." "Hippie liberals and uptight conservatives would fight each other." "The Uncle Toms would fight the Panthers, and it'd be Helter Skelter." "War of all wars." "Then when just about everybody was killed off then the black militants would come out of hiding and wipe them all out." "All except for Charlie and the Family." "Right on." "They'd be in the pit in Death Valley." "And this is the way it would go down from then on." "Well, now the karma's turned, right?" "Blackie's on top." "Well, now, blackie's gotta clean up the mess." "Just like he's always done, clean up the mess the white man made." "Try to build that world back up a little bit." "But he wouldn't know what to do with it." "He wouldn't be able to handle it." "To Charlie, the only thing the black man knows how to do is what whitey told him." "He wouldn't be able to run the world without whitey showing him." "And that's where Charlie comes in." "Right, so they'd come to Charlie." "Now the Family's grown to 144,000." "That's in the Bible too." "Let me see here." "Yeah." "Right here." ""And I heard a number of them which were sealed and there were sealed 144,000."" "Yeah, so they come to Charlie and there's 144,000 people." "A pure white master race." "And they say, "Massa, you gotta run it."" "Charlie says. "Hell, I'll scratch blackie's fuzzy head kick him in the butt and go tell him to pick cotton like a good nigger."" "Then the Family will emerge from the bottomless pit and Charlie will be king of the world, and we'll all live happily ever after." "All that's left is the Family and black servants?" "According to the gospel of Charlie." "King Charlie, the fifth angel Exterminans." "Yeah." "But he got tired of waiting." "For Helter Skelter?" "Right." "You know, he said." ""Well, blackie's got no smart." "Blackie just didn't know how to bring it on all down."" "He said. "I'm gonna have to show him how to do it."" "Charlie's gonna have to show him how to do it." "Do you remember exactly when he told you that, Paul?" "Oh, I don't know." "Last May-- No, early June of last year." "Yeah, he comes to me." "He comes to me, and he takes me down by the old trailers down at Spahn's Ranch." "And he's real frustrated, you know, like, really uptight about something." "He says:" ""The only thing the black man knows how to do is what whitey taught him to do."" "He was always saying that." "And he said. "I'm gonna have to show him how to do it."" ""I'm going to have to show him how to do it."" "Yeah, man." "I've got some weird pictures from that, you know." "King of the world." "Hey, man." "I split." "I didn't want any part of whatever he was talking about." "I mean." "I was hanging out there because I thought Charlie was Christ." "Then all this stuff with Exterminian vibes." "I flashed on heavy weather ahead." "We never did anything out at the ranch before Charlie got on this Beatle thing but sit out there and smoke grass." "trip out and orgy." "Charlie was always thinking about orgies." "Directing orgies, organizing orgies." "He'd pass around the acid, and he'd start dancing around, dancing around." "Everybody would get up and start following him, like a train." "Charlie, he'd take off his clothes then everybody would start taking off their clothes." "The missing motive." "Personal power." "King of the world, huh?" "You know, I think the madness is catching." "You've made a believer out of me." "Now, all you gotta do is make a believer out of a judge and 12 jurors." "Yeah." "Thanks." "Susan Atkins has announced that she denies everything she told the grand jury." "She will not testify at the trial under any circumstances and she's demanding to see Charlie." "Do we make the phone call now or wait 30 seconds?" "To offer Linda Kasabian a deal?" "Why not wait 30 seconds?" "We don't wanna seem too anxious." "Six and a half months after the murders Linda Kasabian agrees to testify at all trial proceedings against all defendants." "In return, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office agrees after testimony is given, to petition the superior court to grant her immunity from prosecution." "Hello, Linda." "Mr. Brewer's made an excellent deal for you." "I know." "I didn't wanna wait for a deal, but he made me." "I'd have talked anyway." "You would've?" "I wanna get it out of my head." "I don't wanna carry it around anymore." "Manson argues a motion, the burden of which is that deputy district attorneys prosecuting him be incarcerated for a period of time under the same circumstances Manson was." "Judge Keene's response is to the effect that it has become abundantly clear Manson is incapable of acting as his own attorney." "There is no God in this courtroom." "You're a mockery of justice!" "You old fool!" "Get those people out of here." "You're a joke!" "You're a joke!" "Linda Kasabian gives birth to a son." "She names the child Angel." "Important witness Paul Watkins is pulled from his burning camper with second degree burns over 25 percent of his face, arms and back." "The fire is of undetermined origin." "Manson files an affidavit of prejudice against Judge William Keene." "Judge Keene accepts Manson's challenge, disqualifies himself and the case is assigned to Judge Charles H. Older." "If Mr. Manson insists on having Mr. Scoville as his attorney I must grant the request." "If Your Honor please, I believe Mr. Scoville is a very sincere and conscientious man." "But it is well known that his cases become unduly long and complicated." "And even with lawyers known to handle matters expeditiously this trial could last four months." "Then let me represent me." "It would be a miscarriage of justice to allow you that in a case having the complications of this case." "Have you affirmed Mr. Scoville as your attorney?" "I'm forced into a situation." "My second alternative is to cause you as much trouble as possible." "July 24, 1970, almost one year after the killings." "Come on, lady!" "Did you read it?" "Did you hear what Charlie's saying to you?" "Statement by Manson." ""I've X'd myself out of the world." I'll read it later." "Yeah, I see that Kitty Lassiter is back with the Family." "Bobby Beausoleil's in the death house, this is probably all she has left." "I thought about the problem of having these people in the court." "Yeah." "They'll conduct continuous harassment." "No, they're not." "They won't be there." "How's that gonna happen?" "Prospective witnesses can't be in court while other witnesses testify." "So we're gonna subpoena all known Family members." "Very good." "Beautiful." "So they're excluded." "That limits the obstruction to the four defendants." "Oh, my God." "I love you." "All rise." "Department 104 is now in session." "The Honorable Judge Charles H. Older presiding." "Be seated, please." "Mr. Bugliosi, do you have an opening statement?" "Yes, Your Honor." "Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski Steven Earl Parent Leno A. LaBianca, Rosemary LaBianca." "What kind of a diabolical mind would contemplate or conceive these seven murders?" "We expect evidence at this trial to answer that question and show that defendant Charles Manson owned that diabolical mind." "Charles Manson, who the evidence will show, had the infinite humility, as it were to refer to himself as Jesus Christ." "The evidence will show Charles Manson to be a megalomaniac who coupled his insatiable thirst for power with an obsession for violent death." "The evidence will show Charles Manson to be the unquestioned leader and overlord of a nomadic band of vagabonds who call themselves "The Family."" "We anticipate in Mr. Manson's defense, he'll claim neither he nor anyone else was the leader of the Family and that he didn't order anyone to do anything much less commit these murders." "He's making our opening statement for us!" "Overruled." "You may continue, Mr. Bugliosi." "Thank you, Your Honor." "We therefore intend to show that Charles Manson was, in fact the dictatorial Family leader and that everyone in the Family was obedient to him and eventually they committed the seven Tate-LaBianca murders at his command." "Now, what about Charles Manson's followers, the other defendants in this trial?" "Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten." "The evidence will show they, along with Charles Tex Watson were the actual killers of the seven Tate-LaBianca victims." "The evidence will show they were willing participants in these mass murders and that by their overkill tactics...." "For instance, Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times." "Voytek Frykowski was stabbed 51 times shot twice and struck violently over the head 13 times with the butt of a revolver." "These defendants displayed that even apart from Manson murder ran through their own blood." "Now we come to the question that has been asked since these murders occurred." "Why?" "Why did Charles Manson order these seven murders?" "Ladies and gentlemen the prosecution does not have any burden of proving motive." "We have no obligation to show one single, solitary speck of evidence as to motive." "However, when we have evidence of motive, we introduce it." "For if one has a motive for committing murder this is circumstantial evidence that it was he who committed the murder." "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders." "The evidence will show Manson's fanatical obsession with Helter Skelter a term he got from the English musical group The Beatles." "To Manson, Helter Skelter meant the black man rising up and destroying the entire white race." "That is, with the exception of Charles Manson and his chosen followers." "Keep it clear." "Please, keep the aisle clear." "Gentlemen, keep it clear, please." "Stand back, please." "Keep it clear, please." "Keep it" "You'll kill us all!" "Kill us all!" "Raise your right hand." "Object, on the grounds this witness is not competent and she's insane." "I ask the court to strike that and find him in contempt for gross misconduct." "This is unbelievable!" "Come to the bench." "The jury is admonished to disregard Mr. Scoville's comments." "Mr. Scoville's objections alleges Linda Kasabian is incompetent because she has taken LSD at least 300 times." "After 10 minutes of discussion, the objection is overruled." "Motion for a mistrial is denied." "The first question to Linda elicits another objection, another motion for mistrial." "After another 10 minutes' discussion, this second motion is also denied." "A pattern of incessant objections and motions is established yet, piece by piece, the story of Linda Kasabian and the Manson Family emerges from the hours of wrangling and obfuscation." "Mrs. Kasabian, do you have any children?" "Yes, I have two children." "And what are their names?" "Tanya and Angel." "When did you come to Los Angeles?" "Maybe the 27th of June, 1969." "Did you first meet Gypsy, or Catherine Share on July 4, 1969?" "Yes." "She had come to see a friend who lived in the truck with us." "Did she have anything to do with you going to Soahn Ranch?" "Yes, she did." "And how was that?" "She told me that there was a beautiful man that we'd all been waiting for." "I became a member of a family." "Now, what do you mean by that, "a member of the Family"?" "Well, we lived together as one family as a family lives together a mother and a father and children but we were all just one and Charlie was the head." "How old are you, Vince?" "Thirty-five." "You're lucky, you can go right from this case on into Social Security." "I was ready for his objections and motions." "I've seen him in action." "What bothers me is he's sometimes effective." "He keeps testimony out I want in." "For instance, today." "I know he wore Judge Older down with his constant. "Objection, hearsay." He said it over and over again until Older thought he was right and sustained." "If I can't use Linda Kasabian's testimony against Manson" "This is it:" "People v. Stevens." "This is the kind of statement we need." "The court rules in here that you can show the existence of a conspiracy by showing the relationship between the parties, including statements to each other." "Beautiful." "A little past mid-July. 1969 did a group of Family members and guests gather at the back house?" "Yes, they did." "About how many people?" "Objection, Your Honor, ambiguous as to time and also calling for a conclusion." "Overruled." "The Family maybe 20, and I believe there were three guests." "Four guests." "What took place that night?" "Object, Your Honor." "Overruled, let's proceed." "Do you have the question in mind?" "Yes, I do." "There was one particular girl." "I don't remember her name...." "In view of the fact that the witness" "Don't interrupt the answer." "Let's proceed." "She was very young." "I'd say about 16." "And she was quite shy, very withdrawn." "And I remember she was laying in the middle of the room and Charlie came over to her." "and he started touching her and kissing her and you know." "Well, like, she was really rejecting him trying to push him off and he just sort of pushed her back down and kissed her." "At this point, she bit him on the shoulder, and he hit her in the face." "And then she just sort of let go or whatever." "And then he flashed the signal to Bobby Beausoleil to take over and do his thing." "and then he told everybody to touch her and to kiss her and join in." "And everybody did." "Move to strike the entire answer as non-responsive and immaterial." "It's hearsay." "Join in the motion, may we approach?" "We have to stick more to the point here." "What is the purpose of this extensive testimony about sex?" "I'm trying to prove that Manson dominated even the sex lives of these people." "Motion's denied." "Your Honor, this is the most prejudicial-- What Mr. Bugliosi is eliciting" "Excuse me, sir." "Excuse me." "The G is soft." "It's Bugliosi." "I'm sorry." "Let's proceed." "Thank you." "Did anyone who was present touch this girl before Charlie told them to?" "No, I don't believe so." "After everyone touched the girl, then what happened?" "Then he told everybody to make love with everybody." "While you were at Spahn Ranch, did you have any discussions with Manson?" "Object!" "Yes." "Just a minute." "I will object, Your Honor, on the grounds of time." "Overruled." "In your discussions with Mr. Manson." "did he ever talk about right and wrong?" "Yes." "Objection!" "This is leading and suggestive." "Overruled." "What did he say?" "He said there was no wrong" "Everything was all right, there was no wrong." "Did he ever say anything about willing to kill or be killed?" "Leading and suggestive, Your Honor." "Overruled." "He used to say:" ""If you're willing to be killed then you should be willing to kill."" "Did you ever see or observe any member of the Family refuse to do anything Mr. Manson told them to?" "Hearsay, Your Honor!" "Overruled." "Nobody did." "We always wanted to do anything and everything for him." "During the day of August 8, do you recall him saying anything about Helter Skelter?" "Yes, I do." "What was the occasion?" "Well, we were sitting around, talking about things and Charlie was saying how people couldn't get it together how people were on their own little trips, and they wouldn't go on his trip." "They just couldn't get it together at all." "And then he just came out and said:" ""Now is the time for Helter Skelter."" "That was August 8th. 1969?" "I believe so." "And did anything unusual happen after dinner?" "Yes." "I remember I was standing out in front of the gun room at this one point and Charlie came up to me and pulled me off the porch." "And he told me I needed a change of clothing a knife and my driver's license." "An additional change of clothing?" "Yes." "And did you get these things?" "Yes." "And he told me to go with Tex and do what Tex told me to do." "and I...." "I got into the car and I believe Sadie and Katie were already in the back seat." "What is the next thing that haooened?" "Tex got in the car, and we started to drive away." "And then Charlie said:" ""Leave a sign." "You girls know what I mean." "Something witchy. "" "This trial is the second crucifixion of Christ." "The second crucifixion." "This trial is the second...." "There's the chief crucifier!" "There he is!" "I'm sure Mr. Bugliosi would like a picture of Charlie." "No, thanks, Mary." "I already have an autographed one on my mantelpiece." "She's proof of what's wrong with immunity deals." "But without her testimony, I doubt Beausoleil would be in the death house." "But she's a killer, Aaron, running loose." "I know, I'm talking about the second crucifixion." "Still, Vince if it weren't for immunity we'd be nowhere without Linda." "Linda didn't kill anyone." "We're not turning a killer free." "All right, don't get hot at me." "Your Honor, I have here a .22 caliber Longhorn revolver." "May it be marked..." "..." "People's 40 for identification?" "It will be so marked." "Have you ever seen this revolver before?" "Yes, I have." "And where did you see it for the first time?" "In the car." "This is the revolver in the glove comoartment?" "Yes." "Did you actually see Tex climb the pole?" "I think so." "I'm not positive." "I just remember seeing the wires fall." "Linda, I show you People's 41 for identification." "Have you ever seen this rope before?" "That looks like the rope." "It looks like the rope that what?" "That Tex was carrying up the hill." "What happened after you, Katie." "Tex and Sadie walked up the hill?" "We...." "We climbed over." "We climbed over a fence." "And then a light started coming towards us." "Are you able to go on, Mrs. Kasabian?" "Yes." "Yes, I am." "And the man said:" ""Please, don't hurt me." "I won't say anything."" "Now, you say that Tex cut the screen of the window." "What's the next thing that happened?" "He told me to go back to the car and wait." "And I did." "And then all of a sudden I heard" "I heard screams." "There were no words." "It was beyond words." "It was just screams." "It was horrible!" "Your Honor I can appreciate that, but I ask that the statement about "horrible" ...." "The statement is out." "The jury is admonished to disregard it." "I'll get you a cup of water." "How long did the screaming go on?" "I don't know." "It seemed like forever." "Infinite." "My mind went blank and I was aware of my body walking towards the house." "Then I hit...." "Oh, God." "I'm so sorry." "Sadie, please, make it stop!" "I hear people coming." "And she said:" ""It's too late."" "And then I said to Sadie:" ""Sadie, please, make it stop."" "And when you told Sadie people were coming, was that the truth?" "No." "And why did you tell her that?" "Because I just wanted them to stop!" "All right, Mrs. Kasabian, you can step down." "Ladies and gentlemen, do not converse with anyone nor form or express an opinion regarding this case until it has been submitted to you." "The court will adjourn at this time until 9:45 tomorrow morning." "When was the first time you learned the names of the five victims?" "The following day on the news." "Sadie woke me up and told me to go to Spahn's trailer to watch television." "When I got there, she switched the channels to the news." "And then Charlie came in and called Katie, Leslie and myself aside and told us to get a change of clothing and meet in the bunkroom, which we did." "And he told me to get my driver's license." "That's three lies you've told already." "No, Charlie." "I've spoken the truth, and you know it." "Did Mr. Manson say anything to you once you were all in the bunkhouse?" "He said we were going out again, tonight." "That last night was too messy and that he was gonna show us how to do it." "He's had this information a week, and we haven't heard it." "I've given it three times." "Objections from the defense continue." "Terrence Milik, during a dispute, uses obscene language." "Judge Older cites him for contempt of court." "He told me that there was a man and a woman tied up in the house." "And that he had tied their hands and told them not to be afraid, that he wasn't going to hurt them." "And then he told them:" ""Don't cause fear and panic in these people." "Don't let them know you're going to kill them. "" "And afterwards, they should hitchhike back to the ranch." "You say Mr. Manson gave you a wallet?" "Yes, he did." "Did he tell you what to do with respect to that wallet?" "He told me to take the change out of the wallet and wipe off the fingerprints." "And then, we were going to out it someplace where a black person would pick it up and use the credit card so that the people, the establishment would think it was some sort of organized group that killed these people." "Presumably. the black militants." "He said they wanted to show blackie how to do it." "Order." "The court will recess for 15 minutes." "I'm gonna have Bugliosi and Older killed." "Testing, testing." "One, two, three, testing." "Testing, testing." "Do you read me?" "Over." "Coming through loud and clear." "Roger." "Vince. what if--?" "If they cut the phone wires, we have communication with police." "And come here." "I got a full-time bodyguard too." "See him?" "It's like being in a war." "Say, Vince?" "Vince, I want to apologize." "Terry, it was a heat-of-the-moment remark." "I'm sorry Older found you in contempt." "That's not it." "What I did was a hell of a lot worse." "I suggested that Everett Scoville be Manson's attorney." "You testified this morning, did you not, that you have taken LSD 50 times?" "Approximately, yes." "What is LSD?" "Lysergic acid diethylamide." "Something like that." "Well, is it a chemical?" "Does it provoke an emotional response like anger?" "Fear?" "Jealousy?" "Hate?" "My sole purpose for taking it was for realization." "God realization." "That was to discover God?" "Yes." "Were you successful in that endeavor?" "I realize you don't have to take peyote or LSD to discover God." "I believe you stated that you've taken 50 acid trips." "Would you please describe what happened on trip number 23?" "I object to that question as being ridiculous." "Sustained." "What is this?" "All counsel will come to the bench." "If jurors had been influenced by the headline grounds for a mistrial may have been established." "Therefore, each juror is questioned, under oath, by Judge Older." "Do you feel that it has influenced you in any way?" "No, sir." "Do you feel you can form an opinion based solely upon evidence presented to you?" "I'm sure I can, Your Honor." "Very good, you may step down." "Thank you." "Yes, sir." "Do you feel it's influenced your thinking?" "All 12 jurors and alternates state under oath that they have not been influenced and will only consider the evidence presented." "I didn't vote for Mr. Nixon anyway." "Now, Mrs. Kasabian you testified that when you saw the shooting of Steven Parent you went into a state of shock." "Now, just exactly when did that state of shock end?" "I don't know when it ended." "I don't know if it ever ended." "Oh!" "And you weren't under the influence of any drugs, is that right?" "No." "You weren't under the influence of anything, right?" "I was under the influence of Charlie." "Oh, yes." "Now, Mrs. Kasabian, I show you this picture." "Oh, God." "Oh, for God's sake." "Oh, God." "Mrs. Kasabian, the truth is that you made up this whole story, didn't you?" "No." "Didn't you?" "!" "No." "Nobody could make that up." "Nobody." "Mrs. Kasabian, why are you crying right now?" "Because I just can't believe" "Believe what, Mrs. Kasabian?" "That they could do that." "Oh, that they could do that!" "Not that you could do it, Mrs. Kasabian, but that they could do it." "I know I didn't do that." "Oh?" "But you were in a state of shock, weren't you?" "That's right." "Then how do you know?" "Because I know." "I do not have that kind of thing in me, to do such an animalistic thing." "Linda tell me, do you feel that you are controlled by Mr. Manson's vibrations?" "Possibly." "Did he put off a lot of vibes?" "Sure." "He's doing it right now." "May the record reflect, Your Honor, that Mr. Manson  is merely sitting there." "He doesn't seem to be vibrating." "Your Honor, the president said we are guilty so why go on with the trial?" "Would you please repeat your response?" "Her reply was that Charlie had sent them, yes." "No further questions, Mr. Jones." "You may step down, Mr. Jones." "May I examine him, Your Honor?" "No, you may not." "I'm gonna fight for my life, you might as well let me do it with words." "If you don't stop, I'll have to have you removed." "If you don't stop, I'll have you removed." "I've got a little system." "Call the next witness." "Do you think I'm kidding?" "!" "This is the second crucifixion of Christ!" "This is the second crucifixion of Christ!" "This is the second crucifixion of Christ!" "This is the second crucifixion of Christ!" "And the hypocrite...." "Gillespie inquires as to the judge's state of mind." "If he'd taken one more step, I would have defended myself." "Because of the judge's state of mind, Gillespie says he has to ask for a mistrial." "It isn't gonna be that easy, Mr. Gillespie." "They are not going to profit from their own wrong." "Denied." "Call the next witness." "The People of the State of California rest." "Are you ready to proceed with defense?" "Yes, Your Honor." "Mr. Gillespie, call your first witness." "Your Honor, the defendants rest." "We wanna testify!" "We wanna testify!" "Let us testify!" "The counsel" "Older orders counsel into chambers and demands an explanation." "Your Honor" "I gotta keep them off the stand." "Our contention is that their testimony is already perjured and it would be inadmissible as perjured evidence." "There's a split between attorneys and clients." "Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten wish to testify that they committed the murders and Manson was not involved." "The attorneys vehemently opose this and want to forestall it by resting the case." "Gentlemen defendants are gonna be allowed to testify." "The right to testify supersedes any and all other rights." "Before the girls are called to the stand, Manson asks permission to speak." "Judge Older grants permission, but it must be made outside the presence of the jury." "I never went to school so I never learned how to read or write too good." "And I stayed in jail, and I stayed stupid and I stayed a child while I watched your world grow up." "And then I look at what you do and I don't understand." "You eat meat and you kill things that are better than you are and then you say how bad or even killers, your children are." "These children that come at you with knives." "They're your children." "You taught them, I didn't teach them." "I just tried to help them stand up." "The people you call my Family were people you didn't want." "People alongside the road that their parents had kicked out." "So I took them to my garbage dump, and I fed them and I taught them that in love, there's no wrong." "I can't dislike you but I can say this to you:" "It's not going to be long before you all kill yourselves because you're all crazy." "And you can project it back on me but I'm only what lives in each and every one of you." "My father's a jailhouse." "My father's your system." "I'm a reflection of you." "I'm what you made me." "I've ate out of your garbage cans to stay out of jail." "I've worn your secondhand clothes." "I've tried my best to get along in your world and now you say you wanna kill me." "And I look at you, and I say to myself, you wanna kill me." "I'm already dead!" "I have been all my life." "I spent 23 years in tombs that you built." "Sometimes I wanna give it all back to you." "Sometimes, I wanna jump on you and let you shoot me." "If I could, I'd grab this microphone." "I'd beat your brains out because that's what you deserve!" "These children everything they done, they done for love of brother." "Is that a conspiracy?" "Is it a conspiracy that the music is telling the youth to rise up against the establishment because the establishment is rapidly destroying things." "Is that a conspiracy?" "The music speaks to you every day, but you're too deaf, dumb and blind to listen." "It's not my conspiracy." "It's not my music." "I hear what it relates." "It says. "Rise." It says. "Kill."" "Why blame it on me?" "I didn't write the music." "How can you blame what you do on your children?" "And what about your children, huh?" "What about them?" "You say they're just a few." "Well, there are many, many more." "And they're running in the streets, all in the same direction, right at you!" "Amen." "Amen, Charlie." "Right on, Charlie." "Amen!" "Amen!" "Amen!" "Right on, Charlie!" "You don't have to testify." "has been serving as defense counsel for Leslie Van Houten one of the defendants in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial." "Milik is believed to have spent the weekend on a camping trip to Sespe Hot Springs, rugged terrain some 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles." "He may have been stranded there because of flooding." "His absence may delay" "And then again, he may not have been." "Hi, honey." "How does this sound?" ""Everett Scoville, the Toscanini of tedium has accused the prosecution of tying up the court."" ""Toscanini of tedium"?" "I like it." "I thought you said he was the most effective of all the defense counsel." "He has been." "Vince, do you think Mr. Milik would maybe stay away to sabotage the trial?" "No, sweetheart." "He's not the type." "And, Your Honor, on the photograph to the left of that it's quite obvious that the Tate house itself was entered." "That's part of the process by which we're introducing testimony." "You're the murderer." "You're the leader of the "Pig Murder Gang."" "What did you do with my attorney?" "What'd you do with him?" "Remove the defendants!" "We're gonna get you!" "Your guts are gonna fall out, Older!" "You're not gonna get any older, Older!" "Help me!" "No American court is required to submit to this kind of nonsense day after day." "The defendants will not be allowed to return for the remainder of the guilt trial." "And Linda Kasabian testified that Watson shot Steven Parent four times." "You heard expert medical testimony that Parent had been shot four times." "Testified my ass." "Pig!" "You lying whore!" "Pig!" "Yeah, she really testified, all right." "Linda Kasabian testified that Parent had slumped over toward the passenger side and you saw police photographs showing Parent slumped toward the passenger side." "Forty-five instances where other evidence confirms Linda Kasabian's testimony." "Ladies and gentlemen, we are all very privileged in this courtroom because we have been enlightened by a new society led by a new Jesus Christ who is none other than Charles Manson." "We've even learned a new commandment:" "Thou shalt love thy neighbor by killing thy neighbor." "We've seen young people become disciples of this new Christ by slaughtering human beings for the mere pleasure and the excitement of it." "We've learned how this new Christ will lead his chosen people out of the desert followed by the enslaved black man." "No." "What we have learned." "ladies and gentleman is that this new Christ is not Charles Manson, but Charles Con Man." "That's the religion he knows very well and the one over which he is the leader." "And are we supposed to pity this con man who has ordered at least seven murders?" "Are we to pity him for tying up the hands of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca so they could be brutally butchered a little more neatly, more orderly?" "Are we to pity this Family leader whose hero was Adolf Hitler who had ordered the mass murder of six million Jews?" "On the hot summer night of August the 8th. 1969 Charles Manson the Mephistophelean guru who raped and bastardized the minds of all those who gave themselves to him sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch three heartless, bloodthirsty robots and unfortunately for him one human being little Linda Kasabian." "What resulted that night was perhaps the most inhuman nightmarish, horror-filled hour of savage murder and human slaughter in the recorded annals of crime." "As the helpless, defenseless victims begged and screamed into the night for their lives their lifeblood gushed from their bodies, forming rivers of gore." "If they could have I'm sure that Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel would gladly have swum in that river of blood and with orgasmic ecstasy on their faces." "Susan Atkins, the Vampira actually tasted Sharon Tate's blood." "On the very next night, Leslie Van Houten joined the group of murderers." "And this time it was poor Leno and Rosemary LaBianca who were brutally butchered to satisfy Charles Manson's homicidal madness." "Ladies and gentlemen in a capital case in California, the trial is divided into two phases." "Now, the first phase, with which we are dealing now, is the guilt phase." "We are not asking you to decide in the extent of the punishment." "That comes in the second phase." "The People of the State of California are asking you at this time to review the evidence and decide whether the prosecution has met its legal burden of proving the guilt of these defendants." "And based upon the evidence you heard from that witness stand not only isn't there any reasonable doubt as to their guilt which is our only burden but there can be no doubt whatsoever of their guilt." "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury Sharon Tate Jay Sebring Abigail Folger Voytek Frykowski Steven Parent Leno LaBianca and Rosemary LaBianca are not here with us now in this courtroom." "But from their graves they cry out for justice!" "And justice can only be done by your returning to this courtroom with a verdict of guilty." "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury this trial has been an enormous imposition on all of your personal, private lives." "And on behalf of the People of the State of California, I want to thank you very much for the patience and attention you've shown throughout these proceedings." "You've been an exemplary jury." "The plaintiff in this trial is the People of the State of California." "And I have all the confidence in the world that you won't let them down." "Thank you." "Hello?" "This is Mrs. Bugliosi, may I help you?" "Who?" "It's the clerk of the court." "Hello?" "Yeah." "Yeah, I'll be right there." "Thanks." "Jury's reached a verdict." "Older wants to see the attorneys." "Dress warmly." "You have a temperature." "Honey, I've been aiming for this moment for 14 months." "All jurors and alternates are present." "All counsel but Mr. Milik are present." "The defendants are present." "Mr. Tubick, has the jury reached a verdict?" "Yes, Your Honor, we have." "Would you hand the verdict forms to the bailiff?" "Will the defendants please rise?" "The clerk will read the verdicts." "January 25, 1971  17 months and 17 days after the murders of the seven Tate and LaBianca victims." ""In Superior Court of the State of California for the County of Los Angeles the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten case number A-253156." "Department 104 we, the jury, in the above entitled action, find the defendant Charles Manson, guilty of the crime of murder of Abigail Folger in violation of Section 187, Penal Code of California." "A felony, as charged in count one of the indictment and we further find it to be murder of the first degree."" "Susan Atkins, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and seven counts of murder in the first degree." "Leslie Van Houten, conspiracy to commit murder and two counts of murder in the first degree." "Patricia Krenwinkel, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and seven counts of murder in the first degree." "The penalty phase of the trial begins." "The issue is whether they will receive life in prison or the death penalty." "The defense seeks to bring circumstances background, remorse and the possibility of rehabilitation to the jury's attention." "Susan were you personally involved with the Tate and LaBianca homicides?" "Yes." "Did you ever feel any remorse?" "Remorse?" "For doing what was right to me?" "I have no guilt in me." "Leslie, do you feel as if you wanted to cry for what happened?" "Cry for her death?" "Why?" "She's not the only person who has died." "Well, do you think about it from time to time?" "Only when I'm in the courtroom." "I'm the devil and the devil always shaves his head." "Bugliosi if I get the death penalty there's gonna be bloodletting, because I won't take it." "There's already been a lot of bloodletting, Charlie." "That's what we're trying to stop." "Vince." "Did you hear about Terry Milik?" "They found him, face-down in a pool of water with his head wedged under a rock." "And that's only the beginning." "I don't see how you people do this without letting me put up some defense." "You people ain't got no authority over me!" "Half of you in here ain't as good as I am!" "You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!" "You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!" "You're gonna die, you hear?" "You're gonna die!" "You're gonna die!" "You're gonna die!" ""We, the jury, in the above entitled action, having found the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree as charged in count one of the indictment do now fix the penalty as death."" "You have just judged yourselves." "You better lock your doors and watch your own kids." "Your system's a game, you blind, stupid people." "Your children will turn against you." "It's death for all defendants." "Death!" "That's what you're all gonna get!" "Mr. Bugliosi?" "Yeah, Charlie." "Can I talk to you for a minute?" "We're gonna get him upstairs, Mr. Bugliosi." "That's okay, Joe." "I don't think we'll be seeing each other again." "I don't have no hard feelings." "Thank you, Charlie." "You done a remarkable job." "You gave me a fair trial, just like you promised." "And I ain't bitter about having to go back in." "It's always been my home anyhow." "What about death, Charlie?" "What about it?" "I told you, I'm already dead." "And while I'm waiting around to take the other form I got steady chow." "It ain't great." "but it's better than garbage." "I don't gotta work if I don't want to, so I got plenty of time to play my guitar." "You know you beat a man with a whip and he likes the whip you're just making a fool out of yourself, partner." "Aren't you gonna miss the girls?" "I don't need broads." "There's plenty of sex in prison." "You still think the black man's gonna take over?" "I may have put a clog in that one." "In other words, the trial alerted whitey." "Yeah." "But I almost did it, didn't I?" "I almost pulled it off, almost made it." "No, Charlie, you weren't even close." "You killed some people, that's what you did." "You accomplished murder." "You took a bunch of sad kids, human flotsam and you played jailhouse games on them." "That's it, Charlie." "You're not even important anymore." "On February 18th. 1972 the California State Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in California." "The death sentences of the killers in the Manson Family were automatically reduced to life imprisonment." "Manson himself becomes eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Susan Atkins, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Patricia Krenwinkel, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Leslie Van Houten, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Charles Tex Watson, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Bobby Beausoleil, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978." "Meanwhile, other Family members, some implicated in one or more of the 35 killings admitted by Charles Manson are right now either at liberty or awaiting parole." "With Charles Manson in jail does an era of madness now come to an end?" "Or will the social compost heap from which he sprang produce other perhaps more virulent strains of Mansonism?" "Are there many more?" "Perhaps hundreds, or even thousands of young Mansons germinating in the same hotbed that gave birth to Charlie?" "And will they be more antisocial, more aberrant than the original?"