"[Music playing]" "[Beep]" "JEFF:" "Oh my god." "Hold up." "Turn around." "[Mumbling]" "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "What kind of talk is that?" "JEFF: [inaudible], Mother." "Uh-uh." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "About 8:00 in the morning." "JEFF:" "Can't." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "Do it in the afternoon, about 2:00" "In the afternoon." "JEFF:" "Can't upstairs." "Mother, oh my god." "Hold on my phone." "[Mumbling]" "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "It's 2:00 in the afternoon." "JEFF:" "Ha!" "[Mumbling]" "[Beep]" "[Fart noise]" "Jeff, would you just cut that out?" "Go check your pants." "Go check your pants." "[Gasp]" "FEMALE VOICE:" "Hi." "Is Sherry around there?" "No." "What?" "Go poop." "Stop!" "[poot noise]" "What am I doing?" "It's you." "You need to cut it out." "Go check your pants." "No." "Go check your pants now." "I've had enough of this smell." "Go." "[Fart noise]" "[Rip]" "[Grunt]" "I'm cursing you." "JEFF:" "You can't." "[Poof]" "[Eee]" "Got you..." "[Cough]" "You... oh, you stinky fuck." "Yep." "Uh, tonight or this weekend?" "Hi." "Cool." "We're going to go out here." "Lasagna?" "Yeah." "For... for dinner?" "Yeah." "Is that all you got in there?" "Kirk beat up Jeff." "FEMALE VOICE:" "Last time I was in there I think I was assisting." "Oh, Miss December." "Oh, Miss December." "Is that what you do?" "[laughs] Are you crazy?" "Yeah." "Yeah." "Jeffrey." "Let me see your Playboy." "Your glasses are filthy." "Hey." "Ugh." "I'm going to clean his glasses." "What do you think about this movie" "We're making about you, Jeff?" "OK." "Yeah?" "What's... what... what's your favorite part about it?" "OK." "OK?" "Yeah." "New Bat." "New Batman?" "Yeah." "Tomorrow night." "Tomorrow night?" "It's in June." "Oh." "June the 20th?" "[Mumbling]" " What about your movie?" " [mumbling]" "You having fun making a movie?" "Yeah." "That's all you had to say about it?" "Oh, yeah." ""Star Wars."" ""Oh, they are [ring] from 'Star Wars."" "Yeah." "Will you get the phone?" "Want to get the phone?" "Yeah." "You know, how come you... how come you" "Don't answer the phone anymore?" "Mom get mad." "Kim got mad at you?" "[Snort]" "I'm a pig." "Yeah." "What are you doing, Jeffie?" "[Mumbling]" "OK." "You just started it." "Nuh-uh." "Hm." "Campus Theaters." "[Laughs]" "[Mumbling]" "Nope." "Yeah." "[Grunt]" "[Laughing]" "OK." "Drink the rest of this." "Eat this, all of it down in your mouth." "And then, all of that..." "Don't swallow it." "And then swish them around." "[Clears throat]" "Can we do this?" "[Laughing]" "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "He's 38 years old the 19th." "Take it all." "Don't swallow it." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "He came to me when I went to the hospital" "To see him and pick him up." "INTERVIEWER:" "How old was he then?" "He was two... just two days old." "INTERVIEWER:" "Wow." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "Never caused me a bit of trouble." "Wonderful child." "And he's intelligent, and a very... because he'd" "Been such a joy to us." "And he's really a wonderful, religious boy." "Wonderful little of a good I never" "Could get him in any school." "INTERVIEWER:" "I spent almost a year" "Shooting Jeffie, at home and with his foster mother," "Genevieve J. Lucien." "And I, uh, says to Jeffrey, uh, where are you going?" "He says to school." "And so that... that evening I dressed him" "Up and took him up to Kirkwyn." "And the fella said to me, well, he" "Knows everything in the book." "And in a few days..." "The week's time..." "The teacher that he had called me up, and she said," "Mrs. Lucien, why isn't, and why isn't... why" "Wasn't Jeff in school?" "She says he has a brilliant mind." "[Singing "happy birthday"]" "Toot!" "Toot!" "Happy birthday, dear Jeffrey." "Woo!" "Happy birthday to you." "[Cheering]" "Come on!" "A few more breaths." "Hit them out!" "Ah." " Come on." " Come on." "Keep going." "Jeff, you haven't got a single one out yet." "Come on." "[Mumbling]" "That's what happens when you smoke." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "In '58 I took him." "And I'm 93 years old." "INTERVIEWER:" "Goodness gracious." "OK." "OK, uh, what... so you're not his actual mother." "Where are his?" "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "I'm adopt..." "He's my adopted son." "INTERVIEWER:" "OK." "And what about..." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "Went through... we went to court" "To get... to... to keep him." "INTERVIEWER:" "You did?" "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "Yeah." "So you know we were interested in him." "INTERVIEWER:" "Yes." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "Most beautiful baby, really and truly." "And my daughter went along with me to the hospital." "And she says, I take it you haven't thought of me, Mother." "INTERVIEWER:" "And the parents... what is their story?" "They, uh..." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "The mother did not want to leave it," "And the father... that's the way it happened." "And they had four children..." "Two girls and two boys." "And the other boy I think they had... you" "Know how this happened?" "You know what the real condition is of it?" "INTERVIEWER:" "No." "No." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "His great-grandfather" "And grandmother, or great-grandfather and" "Grandmother were first cousins." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh, goodness." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "And that made his real grandmother" "And grandfather... the real grandfather..." "Come from that home." "And that had... they were two boys born to that union." "And one of them never spoke a word or walked." "And they lived to be 11 years old." "And the other one... the grandfather of Jeffrey..." "Is the one that survived." "And you know, if it's too close to..." "INTERVIEWER:" "Yes." "JEFF'S MOTHER:" "That's the only illness he has." "JEFF:" "Hey." "Hey, Mom." "[Mumbling]" "Why don't you set the cake up somewhere" "On the... here on the ice, so you don't get it" "All... won't get it all crushed up for yourself here." "No, Ma." "Set it right up here." "Here." "Put it here until you're ready to eat it." "Here." "Give me It." "Give me that." "Give me the cake here." "Uh-uh!" "They'll take all they want of it." "I don't care." "No." "Yeah." "Oh." "Oh." "Oh." "Excuse me." "That's right." "You smile." "[Mumbling]" "Won't his daddy be glad to..." "We were left alone, and so then I remarried." "And we didn't..." "I was older then, and we had no children." "And... this... this man was a very," "Very fine man that I married." "Here's his pictures over there." "There's our wedding picture on the second one over on the TV." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh, I see." "I see." "He had everything." "And this boy will have everything" "That any person could ever want because it's made out that way." "And now he is, uh... he's very, uh, nominated around with this," "Uh, money deal that we're working with." "INTERVIEWER:" "What is the money deal?" "Can you describe that?" "I'm working with the publishing company." "And that's what I'm trying to tell you that's where the..." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh." "Publishers Clearing House?" "Huh?" "INTERVIEWER:" "The Publishers Clearing House?" "Yes." "Four years I've been with them." "Didn't you see what I... you know how you get this left?" "We're in the la... $10 and $11 million category." "We are the leading ones, Jeff and I." "INTERVIEWER:" "I see." "There is my... your papers and everything are... you know," "Your credentials are there." "And, uh, that's why I say I would be very, very" "Happy for this youngster to..." "Uh-oh." "[Laughing]" "Ooh!" "You got cake on your glasses." "Yeah." "You got cake on your glasses." "Right here." "Oh." "Yeah." "[Laughing]" "Yeah." "They look just like Bonnie." "Yeah." "Somebody give him a hickey on his neck or shoulder." "I... it was a red mark there." "You know." "You know what a hickey is." "You ain't... you kids ain't dumb. [Laughs] And" "I ain't too old to know, so..." " Peace." " Peace." "OK." "Well, we want to wrap this show up here." "And before wrapping up, I want to say" "A special announcement to my little friend" "Right here, Jeff Carbon." "Today's his birthday." "Want to make a shout out to my man, Jeff." "Come on in." "What's up, Jeff?" "Happy Birthday to you, man." "Jeff, come here." "It's cool." "So, hey, as Carlton and I want to keep telling everybody," "Keep styling and profiling." "Peace." "Remember, don't use drugs." "We're out of here." "[Mumbling]" "LYLE:" "There's a... it was a time when I was working and stuff" "And then I was, um... had like, um..." "I was kind of going through some problems, whatever, you know." "And I was kind of sad and stuff like that." "And you know, I mean, I didn't tell Jeff anything," "But when he saw me, he..." "He just automatically" "Sensed something was wrong." "And what he did was he just gave me a hug" "And just wanted me to let... you know," "Let me know everything was all right." "So afterwards, later on, I mean, I felt really good about that." "INTERVIEWER:" "Uh-huh." "LYLE:" "That really kind of stuck in my mind the way" "He cared about me." "FEMALE VOICE:" "This call originated from an Iowa" "Correctional facility." "LYLE:" "Oh, hello?" "INTERVIEWER:" "Yeah." "I'm here." "LYLE:" "Yes." "That right there was... was..." "Was a blessing, you know." "INTERVIEWER:" "Uh-huh." "LYLE:" "When Kim told me I..." "It... that he was worried." "He said he bugged Kim almost every day about how am I doing" "And, you know, if I'm getting out or what's going on." "I think it did." "I think it affected him, because he... when he feel like he lost" "Someone he cared about, he... he..." "He gets really depressed and sad about it." "When he found... when he found out..." "I don't know if he found" "Out on the radio or TV or whatever" "Or the newspaper... about what happened to me," "I..." "I know he did take it kind of hard, because Kim told me." "LYLE:" "This call originated from an Iowa correctional facility." "INTERVIEWER:" "Jeff, do you miss Lyle?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "Do you ever think about him?" "Can't." "INTERVIEWER:" "Where is he?" "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "What did he use?" "Gun." "INTERVIEWER:" "Gun?" "Two man dead." "INTERVIEWER:" "Two men dead?" "Yeah." "LYLE:" "You didn't miss him?" "No." "Kim called." "INTERVIEWER:" "Kim called him?" "Yeah." "Do you think he was bad?" "LYLE:" "Tell him that uh, I..." "I mean I miss him an awful lot," "And I think about him all the time." "Uh, tell him I love him, you know, and... and tell" "I'm going to... that I'm going to be all right" "And that I'm going to, you know..." "I'm going to prove myself." "And... and Lord's will I'm going to..." "I'm going to, you know," "Get out of this." "I'm going to clear my name." "One of the stories that I remember about Jeff" "Is, uh, he was, uh... he wanted to marry Christie," "A girl that works here." "And this went on for quite awhile." "And, uh, one day he went down to Zales Jewelers," "And he bought a ring for her, which" "Was a surprise to all of us." "He came up one night and he asked Christie to marry her." "And Christie always says yes." "And suddenly Jeff pulls out a ring" "That he had bought from Zales and gave" "To her... this real ugly ring." "It was just terrible." "And, uh, it didn't fit her." "And, uh, what was funny I didn't know how we got it, because it" "Was obviously not a cheap ring." "And what I found out is that Jeff" "Had taken a check from his mom's checking account from the back," "And went down to Zales and wrote a check." "Uh, I took Jeff back down there with the ring" "To get his money back, because it was like a $250 ring." "And I was upset because they would sell him" "A ring like that, the fact that he couldn't" "Even fill out the check, he didn't" "Ask for the ring to be sized." "But, uh, Jeff's..." "Jeff... his heart was" "In the right spot because he wanted to... he" "Wanted to marry Christie." "You've been trying to get me to be your girlfriend" "For a really long time." "Yeah." "But you keep going out with other women." " No." " Yes, you do." "No, I'm not." "Throw them away?" "Yeah." "Well, you cheat on me every time I'm not there." "Yeah." "And you get a new girl whenever I'm not at the theaters." "No." "Yeah, you do." "Don't you?" "Uh-uh." "We were supposed to get married until he cheated" "On me at Diamond Dave's." "Nah." " Right, Jeffie?" " Yeah." "With Brian's girlfriend Kate." "No, I'm not." "You threw her away?" "Yeah." "What?" "Cake." " Oh, she had cake on her nose?" " Yeah." "Because it was your birthday, wasn't it?" "Yeah." "Jerk." "And then he tries to win me back." "Yeah." "You always do." "So I took you bowling." "Yeah." "And I took him to see "Striptease."" "Burt." " Burt Reynolds." " Yeah." "Which was your favorite part." "Yeah." "[Laughs]" "Basically, I just put up with him for the longest." "That's why I'm his favorite." "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "You like it here?" "Yeah." "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "She has a baby?" "Mine." "INTERVIEWER:" "You're wanting her to have your baby?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "What are you going to name it?" "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Dehad?" "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "Think she'll marry you?" "Yes." "INTERVIEWER:" "Are you going to ask her?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "When?" "Tomorrow." "INTERVIEWER:" "Tomorrow?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh, OK." " Marry." " Marry?" "Yeah." "And what else?" "A kid." "What?" "A baby." "Baby?" "Yeah." "You want me to have a baby?" "Yeah." "You want to be a dad?" "I'm not going to have a baby." "No." "Oh, damn." "(LAUGHING) Oh." "Stop." "[Mumbling]" "Hey, Jeff, will you see who's "Star Trek" tonight?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "For about two months, Jeff forgot his women" "And concentrated on his other loves..." "Star Trek" "And his beloved Captain Kirk." "Hey, who is this?" "Right." ""Space Nine."" "From "Deep Space Nine?"" "Yeah." "And who did you see?" " Kirk." " No." "From "Deep Space Nine."" "Who did you see?" "This." "And what did you do when you went to the line" "When you saw her?" "You gave her a kiss?" "Yeah." "And what did she do?" "She kissed you back?" "Yeah." "And what did you do then?" "No." "When you went back and got in line what did you do?" "What did you give her?" " Quarters for pop." " Quarters for pop?" "Yeah." "And what did she say?" "OK." "What did she say she wasn't going to do?" "Hm." "She wasn't going to kiss you again, but thanks for the pop." "Right?" "For the pop." "Who'd... a "Deep Space Nine" girl?" "Yeah." "And what did you do to her?" "[Laughing]" "[Mumbling]" "What did you try to give her?" "Yeah." "No." "What did you try to give her though?" "No." "You tried to give her your home phone number and address." "Uh-oh." "[Laughs]" "She be mad." "What?" "JEFF:" "She'd be mad." "INTERVIEWER:" "Christie would be mad at you?" "Yeah" "JEFF:" "Christie would be mad." "She really would be mad." "Who did we see next?" "Kirk." "And where did we see him?" "JEFF:" "Huh." "Moines." "Des Moines." "Yeah." "OK." "Who'd you ride with?" "Jeff ended up riding with me after McDonald's." "And what scared me is, we ended up getting lost in the morning." "And that was one of the more, um, interesting experiences" "I had with Jeff was just sitting in my car alone with him," "Listening to him talk about things." "It's funny when you're with other people it's, um," "You have other people to talk to while Jeff's talking." "But interacting with him on a one-on-one basis" "Is much different." "Well, in any case, we end up finally" "Getting there after an hour." "And Jeff was very relieved because he" "Was very stressed about not getting to see Kirk." "What did you do when you saw Kirk?" "Mah." "Huh?" "Yeah." "How'd you get up to him though?" "Uh..." "Huh?" "Did you run past security?" " No." " (LAUGHING) Yeah." "Yes you did." "Yeah." "What did they do to you?" "JEFF:" "OK." "INTERVIEWER:" "Nothing?" "No." "What did you do to Kirk?" " Eh." " Grabbed him?" "Uh-huh." "Did you let go of him though?" "Yeah." "No, you didn't." "He's mad." "What the hell." "What?" "Hey." "What'd you get to do, Jeff?" "Went up and shook his hand three times." "Yeah, and he loved every minute of it." "[Cheering]" "This is all you, Jeff." "I guess if you want me to explain Jeff the best," "I'd have to talk about my theory on Jeff." "Um, I think people think that he's slow, um, stupid," "And basically just retarded." "But I really don't think that's the," "Um... the truth of the matter." "Um, my... my theory of Jeff Towne" "Would be that he's actually a genius who can talk normally..." "Could be the, um, normal human." "It's not that he doesn't want to be." "It's that he's gone through life easy." "It's easier than anybody else's life." "He comes to the theater, he gets free beer," "He gets free clothes, he gets to fondle women" "Without getting in any trouble." "I mean, I can't do that." "Um, so basically the whole theory behind Jeff Towne" "Is he comes in the theatre." "We're just like his..." "We're like rats." "We are... we are the experiment for him," "Because see how much he can get away with before he, you know," "Has to leave." "And right now he can basically get" "Away with anything he wants." "People are too nice too him because they think" "He isn't smart smart- that he's dumb... that he" "Can't do things for himself." "It's obviously not true." "He can do things for himself." "It's not that, uh, he can't make him something to eat... he" "Can't get him something to eat." "He can do that." "He... he can get himself food." "He can get himself drunk if he wanted to." "It's just that people are too nice him." "And that's what really pisses me of... the nice things" "They do for him." "I think I'm just jealous to tell you the true." "But, you know, hey, if I could get away with this," "I think I would too." "Hi, Ma." "No." "Yeah." "Bye, Ma." "Ma!" "Yeah, Ma." "Yeah." "Yeah." "No." "You chase after women, Jeff?" "Jeffrey, do you chase after women?" "That's good." "And you used to wear red." "What's wrong, Jeff." "You're going to help." "Oh, no." "Yeah." "God's loving this." "[Laughs]" "Yeah." "Get your hands off of me." "INTERVIEWER:" "Jeffie is very smart and very spoiled." "You could make him happy and take him out for a beer," "But if you don't buy him that second beer," "He might hate you for weeks." "He might call you names." "He might even steal your wallet or address book." "And he knows exactly what he's doing." "He's even stolen things before and tried to blame them" "On his own mental condition." "OK." "Cool." "One other time I remember is, uh, Jeff going to the dentist." "I was at home, and I got a phone call from, uh, Mike that worked" "Here that Jeff looked terrible." "The whole side of his face was swollen up." "Looked like someone had just beat" "The... had just beat him up." "And uh, what we found out was that Jeff" "Had an infected tooth, and it had to be pulled out." "And no one was available to take him to the dentist," "And he was in a lot of pain." "So I went ahead and took him." "When it was his turn to go in there," "I went back in the back room with him," "And... because it ended up they do pull the tooth." "Actually pulled quite a few teeth that" "They because they were all bad." "And Jeff handled it real well." "He... he did a, great job." "When they came out, they were telling me" "About the last time he was there is, uh, Jeff got real nervous." "He... he ran out of the room, and they ended up" "Extracting his teeth out in the lobby of the, uh... of the, uh," "Office with these nurses holding him them down" "Because he was in such pain." "Uh." "They had to hold him down." "They said this time he was just great" "Because he just stayed there and knew what was going to happen." "Uh, it helped that somebody there under... kind of" "Understand what he was telling them." "You know, I was kind of translating for him." "[Drill sounds]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Huh?" "The condition of his foot... his leg." "Oh, well, he has some heart trouble." "Little Jeff has some heart trouble." "INTERVIEWER:" "Heart trouble?" "I have taken that leg... care of that leg" "Myself, because I myself am a graduate masseuse." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh." "And I had him to the doctor once or so" "And we didn't get anything." "And now I'm getting it pretty well here." "Pretty well, I want him to be very careful." "I don't want him to do any hard work or any lifting" "Or on his foot too much." "He had a very bad leg." "INTERVIEWER:" "What might initially happened to it?" "Probably there was a little lump come there." "But probably might be he'd taken Zestoretic" "So his blood wouldn't clot." "INTERVIEWER:" "Oh, his circulation problem." "OK." "That's what it is." "Two holes." " You got two holes in your foot?" " Yeah." "What from?" "Park and Crook." "Paul and Ken?" "Yeah." "What did they do to you?" "Kick." " They kicked you?" " Yeah." "You have a hole in your foot?" "Yeah." "What's it look like?" "What?" "Why don't you show me?" "Hole." "What's it look like?" "Let me see." "Which one?" "A lot of people sometimes question whether Jeff is" "Truly aware of his condition." "Well, I don't think the answer to this could have ever become" "More powerful than one day when we were sitting" "And Kim, my boss, in his office... me and some coworkers." "We were sitting there attending to Jeff's leg which he had had" "Problems with all of last year." "It was getting really bad." "And Kim was treating the leg with some... some sort" "Of ointment." "And then he said to Jeff... he goes Jeff," "You know you really need to go to a doctor" "To see about this leg 'cause you know what's going to happen" "If you don't go see a doctor." "And then Jeff said to Kim, said die?" "Well, at that moment, I swear you" "Could have heard a needle drop in the office" "For about five seconds." "Because that's one thing that we've never" "Really talked with Jeff about." "We all know that he's lived well beyond his expected years," "But it's something that we just don't talk with him about." "But I think at that moment was a very" "Poignant moment because we all knew that Jeff" "Is aware of his condition." "And it was very difficult to break that silence." "And Kim just finally broke it by just saying no, Jeff." "It's just that you might not be able to walk very well again." "But that was probably one of the most interesting moments" "I'd ever had with Jeff." "OK. [Mumbling]" "Then again, they're all interesting." "Oh, yeah." "Yep." "Can't disagree with that." "Yeah." "[Music playing]" "Cool coat." "Fonzie?" "But didn't you dress like Elvis?" "No." "Yes, you did." "Nah-uh." "What did you do in the costume shop?" "Huh?" "Yeah." "What did you do?" "Rock and roll." "King of Rock and Roll?" "Yeah." "What is it?" "You tried on the costume?" "Yeah." "And then what did you do?" " Pimp." " Huh?" "Yeah." "You ran out of the store." " Yeah." " Wearing it." "That and a wig." "Yeah." "And ran through the mall." "What did everyone do?" "Say go away." " Go away?" " Yeah." "What did Kim do?" "Cry." "Kim cried?" "Yeah." "He was laughing too hard." " Yeah." " Yeah." "What did you look like?" "King." "King?" "Yeah." "What did we tell you?" "Bat." "What did we say that we could see?" "No." "What could we see through the costume?" "Bars." "You're underwear." "Underwear." "And what did you do the next time" "You went and tried it on again?" "Back." "And what did you wear then?" "Cape." "Huh?" "When you tried Elvis on again, what did you wear that time?" "Huh?" "No." "You took everything off so we couldn't see through it." "Oh, yeah." "You ran out again." "Right?" "Yeah." "[Elvis sound]" "[Mumbling]" " What?" " Bat." "Batman?" "Yeah." "Yeah." "What did you do when you dressed up down at the Englert?" "Hm?" "What did you do at "Rocky Horror?"" "You look great." "What did you do?" "Huh?" "[Mumbling]" "No." "What did you do?" "[mumbling]" "You flashed someone, didn't you?" "Yeah." "And what did she say?" "[Scream]" "Yeah." "What did she really say?" "Forget." "Huh?" "Go away?" "Yeah." "Get out here." "Go away." "All right." "One time I was coming out of the mall." "I was closing out of work, and I came outside." "And Jeff comes just rushing past me." "And he's just got this look of like just fury on his face." "I mean, he just looks like he's just pissed off" "And just has angry face and angry eyes." "And he's just..." "He goes, Christie!" "And he just keep on charging out into the pedimall." "And so I'm keeping after him." "And I mean, I don't know where he's going to freeze to death." "Right?" "And so anyway, I get out there, and it's you know," "Friday night." "It's the middle of like bars and stuff." "And there's people everywhere." "And Jeff just yells out, Christie!" "Remember that, Jeff?" "Yeah." "And he..." "I was wondering, you know," "Where... what's the problem?" "You know, what about Christie?" "And people are just looking everywhere because he's loud," "You know." "He has lung power." "And so when he gets..." "When he gets to yelling," "He can yell louder than anyone I know." "And if you know Jeff and you've seen his foot," "You know that he's, uh..." "He's not a very fast walker." "But he's just tearing down there," "And I'm having trouble keeping up with him." "And I say, Jeff, what's wrong?" "He goes Christie." "And I say Christie what?" "And he says, huh." "He goes like this." "And I say, Christie hug somebody?" "And he says yeah." "And so I'm worried about him." "He's about to walk off into an area" "That I don't even know if he knows anything about." "I think he's just going to get lost" "And no one's going to be able to take him home." "I stop him and I say Christie is in the mall," "Even though that wasn't true." "I was just trying to, you know, get him back home safe." "The next day I..." "I find out that Christie" "Had hugged Leia, another girl that" "Works at the theaters with us." "And I guess Jeff thought that they were like two girls." "Yeah?" "Yeah." "Thought they were like lovers or something." "Yeah." "And so I mean that was the angriest..." "The absolute angriest and upset I've ever seen Jeff," "And... because Christie isn't allowed to touch anyone," "And no one's allowed to touch Christie." "Although he's pretty much allowed to touch anyone" "He wants." "So that was the angriest I've seen Jeff..." "I've ever seen him." "Uh, until the next day he calls the mall." "What would you play when you... when you called the mall?" "[Mumbling]" "Yeah." "You'd play dirty tapes, wouldn't you?" " Oh, man." " Huh?" "Yeah." "What did you do on them?" "[Moaning]" "Like that." "Hm?" "Yeah." "What?" " Court Street." " Court Street?" "Yeah." "What about her?" "Uh." "What did you do to her?" "Ah." "And what did she do?" "Huh?" "Butt." "What?" "No." "What did she do to you?" "Huh?" "Butt." "Kim." "So Jeffie, you like pornography, don't you?" "No." "You do." "Don't you?" "Yeah." "You have some, uh, women... girls..." "Under your bed... the magazine." "Yeah." "What do you do with them?" "Uh." " Jeffie." " Throw them." "You throw them away?" "Yeah." "No, you don't." "What do you do with them?" "Put up high." "Just they get stacked up real high." "Yeah." "Just today I was over at his house." "He opened his closet." "And I saw the biggest stack of weird pornos I've ever seen." "I mean, he had weird ones." "Some jungle something." "I didn't know what it was." "I mean, he brings it to work." "He like opens up one of his porns," "And he'll type out the captions under the pictures." "It gets pretty weird." "And he gives it to us, and sometimes he" "Gives it to Christie." "You're weird." "And then you draw your own, don't you?" "Yeah." "And you bring them into the theaters." "Yeah." "And they're really gross." "Yeah." "What do you do when you look at it, Jeffie?" "Back." "What?" "Back." "Back?" "Yeah." "Back what?" "Mind." " In your mind?" " Yeah." "What happens in your mind?" "Mom." "Mom comes into your mind?" "Paul." "And Paul?" "Yeah." "Why?" "I don't know." "INTERVIEWER:" "What kind of magazines?" "Oh." "Girls." "You look at them." "No." "What do you do?" "Your chest?" "Yeah." "What about your chest?" "Hair." "Hair on your chest?" "Yeah." "What does that have to do with it?" "Back." "And your back?" "Yeah." "What about the women?" "Want about the naked girls?" "Huh." "What?" "Boob." "Boobs?" "Yeah." "And what else?" "What else?" "And me." "What?" "You're not going to get it trouble." "What else?" "No." "Can't." "[Laughing] Jeffie, you're embarrassed, aren't you?" "Yeah." "OK." "[Mumbling]" "Hm?" "[Mumbling]" "Hall Mall?" "Yeah." "He apparently wants to talk about the Hall mall." "Mall." "What happened to the Hall Mall?" "Yeah." "And what did you do with her?" "Cried." "Did you go back to her place with her?" "Yeah." "And was she sad?" "Yeah." "What did she do?" "Your shoulder?" "Yeah." "What did she do?" "Cried." " She cried?" " Yeah." "And then what?" "Beer." "She got you a beer?" "Yeah." "And you had some beers?" "Yeah." "And then what else?" "You kissed her?" "Yeah." "Or did she kiss you?" "She kiss you?" "Yeah." "And then what?" "Tongue on your neck?" "My neck." "What?" "And then what?" "Balls." "What?" "Balls." "Balls?" "Yeah." "What did she do to them?" "Did she lift them?" "Yeah." "Were you naked?" "No." "Was she naked?" "Yeah." "What were you wearing?" "Pants." "Underwear?" "Yeah." "And then what else happened?" "No." "You don't know?" "Ask Marianne." "Her name is Marianne?" "Yeah." "Did you do anything else besides drink beer?" "I ate." "You ate?" "Yeah." "What did you eat?" "[Mumbling]" "What else did you do?" "Arm." "Something in your arm?" "Yeah." "Did she put something in your arm?" "Yeah." "How'd she put it in there?" "Did she made a hole in your arm and put something in there?" "Yeah." "Like with a needle?" "Yeah." "And then after that is when she kissed you?" "Yeah." "And what else happened?" "Home." " You went home after that?" " Yeah." "How'd you get home?" "Hike." "You walked?" "Yeah." "Did you tell Mom about it?" " Yeah." " You did?" "Yeah." "What did Mom say?" "[Mumbling] A new car." "What?" " New car." " New car?" "Yeah." "What about a new car?" "Marianne." "Marianne got a new car?" "Yeah." "Where is Marianne now?" "Over out there." "She went away?" "Yeah." "Do you miss her?" "Yeah." "Home up." " Her home's at the..." " Yes." "Downtown." "Downtown?" "Yeah." "Is she still here?" "Yeah." " Do you ever go visit her?" " Yeah." " No, you don't." " Yeah." " Do you?" " Yeah." "And what do you do with her?" "I don't know." "What do you do with her, Jeffie?" "I don't know." "Did you like her?" "Yeah." "Girls." " Girls?" " Yeah." "She makes you feel like when you look at girls?" "No." "Burr." "Burr?" "Yeah." "Huh." "Are you embarrassed that you're telling me?" " No." " No?" "It's OK?" "Yeah." "OK." "[Music playing]" "[Slurping]" "OK." "Stop." "What?" "Turn up TNT." "TNT?" "Oh." "What do you watch on TNT?" "What?" " Hulk." " Ho." "Ho." "Ho?" " Hulk." " Hulk." "Yeah." "The Hulk." "Yeah." "The Incredible or Hogan?" " Yeah." " What?" " Hogan?" " Yeah." "OK." "[Cheering]" "Is that all muscle, though?" "TNT!" "No." "TNT." "Hulk man stack." "Oh, yeah!" "[Cheering]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Jeff, if you can have anything" "In the world, what would it be?" "The World Wrestling Federation title?" "Yeah." "[Whistle]" "Oh, shit." "Oh!" "Ow." "[Yelling]" "[Coughing]" "Jesus, Jeff!" "[Coughing]" "Oh, my god." " Did that hurt?" " Yes." "Ha ha." "Jeff..." "Jeff... there's three things that" "Affect Jeff as far as I know." "And those are his friends, which basically" "Consists of everyone at the theater, your mom, who... and," "Uh, TV." "He watches like TV probably like 10 hours a day." "And, um, he..." "I think what he has" "Like this movie star persona." "Every time we tried to... we tried to film you, you would..." "You wouldn't... you wouldn't be a... you" "Would just pick up the clappers and start clapping around." "You'd play to the camera all the time." "How's the sound levels on this?" "OK." "All right." "And you would play with the equipment like right now." "And you always wanted to shoot your own film." "You wanted to pick up a camera and go shoot your own stuff." "So finally I decided just to let him do" "That and shoot his own stuff." "All right." "Here it goes." "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Who is that?" "JEFF: [mumbling] Mom." "[Mumbling]" "More girls." "Pin-up girls." "[Mumbling] Court Street." "[Mumbling]" "Hey, Kim!" "Hey. [Mumbling] Hi, girls." "Mall." "The girls." "[Mumbling] There's my girl." "[Mumbling]" "[Laughs]" "The bat." "Ball." "Yeah." "Two, Hulk." "I think, Jeffie... and you can back me up on this" "If you want..." "I think you see this movie in kind of a way" "That he sees the stuff on TV." "He sees "The Three Stooges"..." "Bo Duke." "And Bo Duke and Batman." "And he also... and he sees them." "He hangs out at the movie theater." "He knows the movie posters." "He loves movie paraphernalia, stuff like that." "And he kind of sees this as his big chance, you know," "To get on the TV or be on the big screen" "Or to have his picture on the movie posters." "How would that be?" " OK." " Yeah." "That'd be all right." "Wouldn't it?" "And so I think..." "I mean, I think..." "I mean," "Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's what he dreams about." "That's... that's his dream." "That's his... that's what he wants more than" "Anything... to be a movie star." "And this has kind of... kind of a big opportunity, wasn't it?" "How did you?" "You have a... where do you... were do you want this movie to play?" "Mall." "Here in the mall?" "Yeah." "Well, all right." "Anything else you want to say about the movie" "Before you stop?" "For Kim." "Kim?" "You like?" "All right." "Mike." "Mike used to work here." "That's right." "Well, let's do this, Jeff." "That means cut." "Cut!" "Cut!" "Cut!" "Cut." "Jeffie, how's your mom doing these days?" "OK." "OK?" "Oh." "Hi, Jeffie." "I love you too." "OK." "Been talking to your mom a lot lately?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "What do you..." "What do you think about mom?" "An ass." "INTERVIEWER:" "Ass?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "Do you like mom?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "You don't like her at all?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "Do you love mom?" "No." "Marianne." "INTERVIEWER:" "Marianne?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "The girl from the Hall Mall?" "How long has it been since you've been outside?" "Well, it's been four or five... about" "Four years now since I've not been getting around very good." "But I will walk again." "Having to pull my night dress down." "[Laughs]" "Well, that's true, Jeff." "I can't go..." "I can't let people look at me." "Yeah." "I can't." "I'm not nobody's fool." "Yeah." "I can't." "Or no trash." "I can't help it." "When you get 94 years old and you're" "Trying to do the impossible, you're" "Trying to do the impossible." "This is some..." "[organ sounds] this is" "Something somebody brought in." "Just, you know." "[Organ playing]" "Did you know that, um, Jeffrey..." "When I took Jeffrey they" "Said he wouldn't walk, he wouldn't talk," "He wouldn't do anything?" "And, uh, then he got awfully sick one night" "And he was still, uh, very sick." "His temperature was 106." "So I called the doctor, and she came up with another little old" "Lady doctor." "And she called me up the next morning" "And she said, you were here last night and you rocked that boy," "Didn't you?" "I said yes." "And she said they wouldn't have let me show him [inaudible]." "We stopped at my daughter's, and she" "Says to me, what would you..." "Oh, let's play the Ouija board." "Will I find a boy, and it says yes." "I says can you give you me the name?" "And it says Jeffrey Allen." "And uh, that's how all of this came about." "If he had a wife he'd be the best" "Person in the world to her." "There's all kinds of boys that would... all kinds of girls" "That would be tickled to death." "They run up to him and see him on the streets." "Beautiful little girl, she come up and kissed him" "And grabbed him and loved him." "There isn't anybody that wouldn't like him." "There is nobody that wouldn't like that kid." "Oh, you wanted me to play this piece." "[Singing and playing organ]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Genevieve, how long has it" "Been since you've been outside?" "Well, it's been four or five... about" "Four years now since I've not been getting around very good." "INTERVIEWER:" "All right, Jeffie." "Bring her around this way." "Ooh." "This is cold." "Wait." "Don't you hang on." "You can't hang onto me." "Ouch." "[Laugh] My hair ain't done up nice or nothing." "How Jeff's day starts out." "He gets up around 2:00 o'clock." "Usually gets dressed." "Sometimes he'll have something at home." "Most generally he doesn't." "He goes out to the bus stop, which" "Is right outside of his house." "He takes the bus to the mall." "Once he gets there, he hangs out at the theater," "Gets some pizza or Arby's, and hangs out at the arcade." "He gets down here around 3:00 o'clock" "To make sure everything's going OK here." "He comes here Monday through Friday afternoons." "He comes here Saturday afternoon after church." "He gets here around 4:00 o'clock and stays until about 10:00." "Sunday he comes here around 4:00 o'clock" "And stays here until about 10:00." "He doesn't come here on Monday night" "Because that's the WWF night, and he likes to stay" "Home and watch wrestling." "The he gets back on the bus, or then he goes home, gets" "Something to eat, watches TV." "["Tax avery" commercial on TV]" "He gets back on the bus." "Then he comes back here around 6:00 o'clock... between 6:00" "And 7:00, stays here til 10:00." "Jeff has his own uniform here." "He sometimes helps out." "Sometimes he doesn't." "He likes to go over to Diamond Dave's and have a beer." "He likes to charge beers to my account that I don't have." "Then he'll come back over here for a little while," "Get all packed up, get his bag of popcorn" "With extra butter on it, and he gets back on the bus." "He likes to call here and make sure everyone" "Knows that he made it home OK." "He likes to call two or three times and talk to the doorman" "Just to let him know what's on TV." "He likes to watch "The Three Stooges" when he gets home." "He stays up until, oh, 2:00, 3:00... 3:00 o'clock in the morning." "We've had phone messages here as late" "As 4:00 o'clock in the morning." "Then he goes to bed, and then he starts another day." "[Singing to "heart and soul"]" "Jeffie." "INTERVIEWER:" "Now I worry about Jeffie." "I worry about what will happen to him in the next few years..." "Where he'll end up, and the burden that will undoubtedly" "Fall on Kim's shoulders." "Who do you love, Jeffie?" "Amy." "INTERVIEWER:" "Who else?" "John." "INTERVIEWER:" "Me?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "Who else do you love?" "I love you." "INTERVIEWER:" "What about Kim?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "You love everyone at work?" "I want to give birth." "INTERVIEWER:" "Kim's little girls?" "Yeah." "Their cake." "Mm-mm." "[Smack]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Who do you hate?" "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Who else?" "My mom. [Snort] She's um, the mall." "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "What are you going to do when mom dies?" "Move in with Kim." "INTERVIEWER:" "Move in with Kim?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "You think he'll let you move in?" "Yes." "INTERVIEWER:" "What if he doesn't?" "Mike." "INTERVIEWER:" "Mike?" "Yeah." "Girls." "INTERVIEWER:" "Girls?" "Yeah." "Mom." "INTERVIEWER:" "Mom?" "Jeff, do you believe in God?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "You don't?" "No." "I'm mad." "INTERVIEWER:" "You go to church?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "You go to church every week." "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "Do you pray?" "No." "INTERVIEWER:" "Who do you pray to?" "Hmm." "[Mumbling]" "INTERVIEWER:" "Hey, Jeffie." "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "What does God look like?" "Moon." "INTERVIEWER:" "Moe?" " Up." "Moon." "INTERVIEWER:" "He's up?" "Moon." "INTERVIEWER:" "Mall?" "Outside up." "INTERVIEWER:" "Outside, up?" "Yeah." "Moon." "INTERVIEWER:" "Moon?" "Yeah." "INTERVIEWER:" "He looks like the moon?" "Yeah." "[Music playing]"