"(cheering) Living my true identity is like" "Living my true identity is like somebody taking a thousand somebody taking a thousand pounds off my shoulders." "pounds off my shoulders." "RONDA:" "Bathingsuits." "RONDA:" "Bathingsuits." "You need a sexy one for Candis." "You need a sexy one for Candis." "SPENCER:" "Whichone'sCandis?" "SPENCER:" "Whichone'sCandis?" "Oh!" "Oh!" "RONDA:" "Andlookhow closeshe" "RONDA:" "Andlookhow closeshe is." "Look." "is." "Look." "CAITLYN:" "Candisis a" "CAITLYN:" "Candisis a beautiful woman, but as far as beautiful woman, but as far as dating... dating..." "I have absolutely no idea." "I have absolutely no idea." "CANDIS:" "Youreadyfor this?" "CANDIS:" "Youreadyfor this?" "You're gonna be good." "You're gonna be good." "You're gonna be good." "You're gonna be good." "CAITLYN:" "Isthisbacktothe" "CAITLYN:" "Isthisbacktothe "real world"?" ""real world"?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,therealworld." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,therealworld." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "Khloe hasn't been here," "Khloe hasn't been here, Kourtney hasn't been here." "Kourtney hasn't been here." "Maybe them not being around is" "Maybe them not being around is their way of saying, "I don't their way of saying, "I don't know if I really agree with know if I really agree with this."" "this." For most people dealing with" "For most people dealing with this, there's a lot of families this, there's a lot of families that just are torn apart by it." "that just are torn apart by it." "I don't want to tear my family" "I don't want to tear my family apart." "(insects buzzing and trilling) (sighs)" "(sighs) Oh, God." "Oh, God." "2:57 in the morning." "2:57 in the morning." "I just woke up in an absolute..." "I just woke up in an absolute..." "panic." "panic." "I had this..." "I had this..." "nightmare that I was in, um, nightmare that I was in, um, a parking area, and there were a parking area, and there were so many paparazzis around me so many paparazzis around me that, um," "that, um, I couldn't get out." "I couldn't get out." "And they're, like, taking" "And they're, like, taking pictures and just... pictures and just..." "It was, like, horrible." "It was, like, horrible." "Absolutely horrible." "Absolutely horrible." "And you know that those pictures" "And you know that those pictures are going into the rags and are going into the rags and they're gonna write their own they're gonna write their own stupid little story, you know?" "stupid little story, you know?" "And..." "And..." "I-I don't want that." "I-I don't want that." "I got a much bigger message to" "I got a much bigger message to get across." "get across." "(sighs)" "(phone rings) Baby doll!" "Baby doll!" "CANDIS:" "Hi." "ThisisCandis." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "ThisisCandis." "CAITLYN:" "Candis,baby." "CAITLYN:" "Candis,baby." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mdoinggood." "CANDIS:" "I 'mdoinggood." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'mjust" "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'mjust sitting here, seeing what sitting here, seeing what they're saying about my they're saying about my children." "children." "CANDIS:" "Who?" "CANDIS:" "Who?" "CAITLYN:" "Theworld." "CAITLYN:" "Theworld." "CANDIS( laughing):" "Theworld!" "CANDIS( laughing):" "Theworld!" "CAITLYN:" "Sowhat'sup?" "CAITLYN:" "Sowhat'sup?" "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean,Iwas" "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean,Iwas  just thinking, you know, I just thinking, you know, I talked to you about doing, like, talked to you about doing, like, a girls' sleepover thing, and I" "a girls' sleepover thing, and I just wanted to know if you would just wanted to know if you would want to come over and, like, want to come over and, like, order pizza or... order pizza or..." "CAITLYN:" "A sleepover?" "CAITLYN:" "A sleepover?" "CANDIS:" "Something." "CANDIS:" "Something." "Yeah, like a little sleepover." "Yeah, like a little sleepover." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "A sleepover at Candis's." "A sleepover at Candis's." "It sounds very elementary, but" "It sounds very elementary, but in a way, I'm kind of just in in a way, I'm kind of just in the beginning of this whole the beginning of this whole transition." "transition." "I'm, you know, like a young" "I'm, you know, like a young little girl going through all little girl going through all these things." "these things." "Having a sleepover with the" "Having a sleepover with the girls actually sounds like fun." "girls actually sounds like fun." "What do we do on a sleepover?" "What do we do on a sleepover?" "You know me, I like to get to" "You know me, I like to get to bed early." "bed early." "Do we have, like, pillow fights" "Do we have, like, pillow fights and all that stuff?" "and all that stuff?" "CANDIS:( laughs)No." "CANDIS:( laughs)No." "I invited a couple girls." "I invited a couple girls." "They might not come because it's" "They might not come because it's Trans Pride this weekend." "Trans Pride this weekend." "CAITLYN:" "Um,I'mjust" "CAITLYN:" "Um,I'mjust wondering how the heck I'm ever wondering how the heck I'm ever going to get out of here, 'cause going to get out of here, 'cause I don't want anybody following" "I don't want anybody following me, certainly to your house." "me, certainly to your house." "But I'm gonna give it a shot." "But I'm gonna give it a shot." "CANDIS:" "Okay,cool." "CANDIS:" "Okay,cool." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthen,babe." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthen,babe." "CANDIS:" "Tillthen." "CANDIS:" "Tillthen." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,bye." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,bye." "CANDIS:" "Bye." "CAITLYN:" "Court!" "COURTNEY:" "Yeah?" "COURTNEY:" "Yeah?" "CAITLYN:" "Courtney!" "CAITLYN:" "Courtney!" "COURTNEY:" "I 'mcoming." "COURTNEY:" "I 'mcoming." "Uh-oh." "Uh-oh." "CAITLYN:" "Isit toobig or" "CAITLYN:" "Isit toobig or what, the hair?" "what, the hair?" "COURTNEY:" "It'snevertoo big ." "COURTNEY:" "It'snevertoo big ." "It's never too big." "It's never too big." "That's not a possibility," "That's not a possibility, really." "really." "CAITLYN:" "No?" "CAITLYN:" "No?" "Can't get it too big?" "Can't get it too big?" "COURTNEY:" "No." "COURTNEY:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "My life." "My life." "COURTNEY:" "What'sgoingon?" "COURTNEY:" "What'sgoingon?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Kimcallsand" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Kimcallsand says that she wants to talk." "says that she wants to talk." "She thinks I didn't say good" "She thinks I didn't say good things about Kris, and on and on things about Kris, and on and on and on." "and on." "I'm just, I'm like, God." "I'm just, I'm like, God." "COURTNEY:" "It'soneofthose" "COURTNEY:" "It'soneofthose things you have to deal with, things you have to deal with, 'cause it's the kids." "'cause it's the kids." "It's not avoidable, even though" "It's not avoidable, even though it's not easy." "it's not easy." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,it'slike" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,it'slike  you just can't please everybody." "you just can't please everybody." "I thought the Vanity Fair" "I thought the Vanity Fair article was so fair, especially article was so fair, especially on Kris's part." "on Kris's part." "COURTNEY:" "Yeah." "COURTNEY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow,it's" "CAITLYN:" "I don'tknow,it's like they-- it's like I can't do like they-- it's like I can't do anything right." "anything right." "They're always pissed off at me." "They're always pissed off at me." "COURTNEY:" "No,Imean,it's" "COURTNEY:" "No,Imean,it's  hard to please everyone." "hard to please everyone." "CAITLYN:" "It'llbe interesting" "CAITLYN:" "It'llbe interesting to see what she has to say." "to see what she has to say." "COURTNEY:" "Isn'tit nicethat" "COURTNEY:" "Isn'tit nicethat they're all fighting over you they're all fighting over you and not... and not..." "CAITLYN:" "They'reall" "CAITLYN:" "They'reall fighting over me." "fighting over me." "Okay, I'll think of it that way." "Okay, I'll think of it that way." "They're all fighting over me." "They're all fighting over me." "COURTNEY:" "They'reall" "COURTNEY:" "They'reall fighting over you, so... fighting over you, so..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,okay," "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,okay, all right." "KIM:" "Hey,hey,hey ." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh,it 'strouble" "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh,it 'strouble in town." "in town." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "I can get you a water." "I can get you a water." "Would you like a water?" "Would you like a water?" "KIM:" "Oh,no ,Ibroughtone." "KIM:" "Oh,no ,Ibroughtone." "Thank you." "Thank you." "CAITLYN:" "Yousure?" "CAITLYN:" "Yousure?" "KIM:" "Yes." "KIM:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "So..." "CAITLYN:" "So..." "KIM:" "Oh,I'mjustso" "KIM:" "Oh,I'mjustso exhausted." "exhausted." "CAITLYN:" "AmIintrouble?" "CAITLYN:" "AmIintrouble?" "KIM:" "Areyou?" "KIM:" "Areyou?" "Oh, yes, you're in trouble." "Oh, yes, you're in trouble." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mintrouble?" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mintrouble?" "How could I be in trouble?" "How could I be in trouble?" "Sweet, adorable, little thing" "Sweet, adorable, little thing like me?" "like me?" "KIM:" "Youstillhavealittle" "KIM:" "Youstillhavealittle Bruce in you." "Bruce in you." "I thought Caitlyn would be a" "I thought Caitlyn would be a little kinder." "little kinder." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "Kinder, sweeter, gentler." "Kinder, sweeter, gentler." "KIM:" "Wheredo youwanttogo ?" "KIM:" "Wheredo youwanttogo ?" "Sit here?" "Sit here?" "CAITLYN:" "I hearthat..." "CAITLYN:" "I hearthat..." "certain family members are upset certain family members are upset with the Vanity Fair article." "with the Vanity Fair article." "Khloe wrote me a very... nasty," "Khloe wrote me a very... nasty, um, text message." "um, text message." "She felt like I said bad things" "She felt like I said bad things about Kris." "about Kris." "You know, you can't please" "You know, you can't please everybody, and obviously everybody, and obviously there's some people in my family there's some people in my family that I didn't please, so it's that I didn't please, so it's time to listen to them, see what" "time to listen to them, see what they have to say, and hopefully they have to say, and hopefully defend myself." "defend myself." "Where do we start?" "Where do we start?" "KIM:" "Um,let'sstartwith" "KIM:" "Um,let'sstartwith  Khloe." "Khloe." "I know that she's really harsh" "I know that she's really harsh when she communicates with you." "when she communicates with you." "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "Youwantto" "CAITLYN:" "Wow." "Youwantto read her texts?" "read her texts?" "KIM:" "Shesentthemtome ." "KIM:" "Shesentthemtome ." "Um, and that's how Khloe talks" "Um, and that's how Khloe talks to all of us." "to all of us." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "KIM:" "Soit 'snotjustyou." "KIM:" "Soit 'snotjustyou." "Khloe sees my mom upset, and so" "Khloe sees my mom upset, and so she gets defensive." "she gets defensive." "CAITLYN:" "Anddoesn'tknow" "CAITLYN:" "Anddoesn'tknow anything about my side of the anything about my side of the story." "story." "KIM:" "Butthat'swhatkids do." "KIM:" "Butthat'swhatkids do." "She is gonna get defensive." "She is gonna get defensive." "CAITLYN:" "TheVanityFair" "CAITLYN:" "TheVanityFair article was very interesting article was very interesting for me to do, because it was for me to do, because it was the first time I ever really the first time I ever really had the opportunity to be" "had the opportunity to be absolutely truthful with a absolutely truthful with a reporter about every aspect of reporter about every aspect of my life." "my life." "KIM:" "Youknow,Iread the" "KIM:" "Youknow,Iread the Vanity Fair as well, and I" "Vanity Fair as well, and I think that there are some think that there are some things that you said that you things that you said that you might not realize are hurtful." "might not realize are hurtful." "CAITLYN:" "Go." "CAITLYN:" "Go." "KIM:" "YousaidKendalland" "KIM:" "YousaidKendalland Kylie were a distraction." "Kylie were a distraction." "And so when they read that," "And so when they read that, they're gonna think... they're gonna think..." "I don't know if they'll quite" "I don't know if they'll quite understand that." "understand that." "CAITLYN:" "Youknowhow the" "CAITLYN:" "Youknowhow the  print word is, yeah." "print word is, yeah." "KIM:" "Yeah." "Thenitsaid ," "KIM:" "Yeah." "Thenitsaid , "Had Kris been accepting to who" ""Had Kris been accepting to who I am, we still would be" "I am, we still would be together."" "together." And that's the most unfair thing" "And that's the most unfair thing in the world to say." "in the world to say." "CAITLYN:" "I don't--see,I" "CAITLYN:" "I don't--see,I don't look at it that way." "don't look at it that way." "KIM:" "Youdon'tlookatit" "KIM:" "Youdon'tlookatit  that way, but my mom does." "that way, but my mom does." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Okay." "It was an honest article, and" "It was an honest article, and sometimes when you're honest, sometimes when you're honest, um, you know, it can be um, you know, it can be upsetting to some people." "KIM:" "Butshe'snot ..." "CAITLYN:" "Shewasfinewith" "CAITLYN:" "Shewasfinewith  it." "it." "KIM:" "Youareawomannow." "KIM:" "Youareawomannow." "She is not a lesbian." "She is not a lesbian." "She does not want to be with a" "She does not want to be with a woman." "That's not fair." "woman." "That's not fair." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnotsayingI" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnotsayingI would've gone this... would've gone this..." "I'm not saying I would've gone" "I'm not saying I would've gone this route, but as time went on, this route, but as time went on, our relationship changed our relationship changed drastically." "drastically." "In my eyes, it's like she..." "In my eyes, it's like she..." ""I don't, I don't need him" ""I don't, I don't need him anymore."" "anymore." You know? "I got all the girls."" "You know? "I got all the girls." KIM:" "I don'tthinkitwas" "KIM:" "I don'tthinkitwas that." "I think, honestly... that." "I think, honestly..." "CAITLYN:" "I feltit in theway" "CAITLYN:" "I feltit in theway  she treated me." "she treated me." "KIM:" "Yeah." "KIM:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Shewantedmeoutof" "CAITLYN:" "Shewantedmeoutof the house." "the house." "She was like, (claps)" "She was like, (claps) "You're out of here."" ""You're out of here." KIM:" "Becauseit wasn'tmeant" "KIM:" "Becauseit wasn'tmeant to be." "to be." "CAITLYN:" You'reoutof" "CAITLYN:" You'reoutof  here."" "here." KIM:" "Youshouldsay ,"Thank" "KIM:" "Youshouldsay ,"Thank you, good riddance, 'cause now I you, good riddance, 'cause now I am who I am and I'm happy."" "am who I am and I'm happy." CAITLYN:" "Okay,butthendon't" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,butthendon't come back and be so, you know, come back and be so, you know, emotional over the breakup." "emotional over the breakup." "She wanted me out." "She wanted me out." "KIM:" "Butyoucan 'tfaulther." "KIM:" "Butyoucan 'tfaulther." "That obviously means she really" "That obviously means she really loved you and cherished your 25 loved you and cherished your 25 years together as a family." "years together as a family." "CAITLYN:" "AndIlovedher," "CAITLYN:" "AndIlovedher,  too." "too." "KIM:" "Towardstheend ,it" "KIM:" "Towardstheend ,it never would've worked, and never would've worked, and that's fine, and she's okay that's fine, and she's okay with that." "with that." "You both agree that the end was" "You both agree that the end was bad." "bad." "You guys were in a bad place." "You guys were in a bad place." "But if I was with someone for 25" "But if I was with someone for 25 years, I would try to look for years, I would try to look for the positive things and just end the positive things and just end it on a good note." "it on a good note." "You said, "Oh, Kris mistreated" "You said, "Oh, Kris mistreated me."" "me." It sounded like she beat the" "It sounded like she beat the (bleep) out of you." "(bleep) out of you." "CAITLYN:" "Takeit easy." "CAITLYN:" "Takeit easy." "Don't go..." "Don't go..." "KIM:" "Youcould'vehad a" "KIM:" "Youcould'vehad a little bit more respect, but I little bit more respect, but I think... think..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo ..." "Ican" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo ..." "Ican  see where you're trying to go see where you're trying to go here." "here." "Don't go there." "Don't go there." "KIM:" "Yougotthe fame,but" "KIM:" "Yougotthe fame,but you're losing your family." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,you have to go look in the mirror here." "to go look in the mirror here." "How gorgeous is that?" "How gorgeous is that?" "It's hot." "It's hot." "(laughs) It's a little low." "(laughs) It's a little low." "It needs a strap." "It needs a strap." "Now, this is the look." "Now, this is the look." "CAITLYN:" "Wereallyhaven't" "CAITLYN:" "Wereallyhaven't had a chance to sit down and had a chance to sit down and talk after you sent me those talk after you sent me those really tough texts." "really tough texts." "KHLOE:" "Wedon'tcareifyou" "KHLOE:" "Wedon'tcareifyou want to transition, but we don't want to transition, but we don't think... think..." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "KHLOE:...thatthatentails" "KHLOE:...thatthatentails you speaking negatively about my you speaking negatively about my mom." "mom." "And then when you try to tell me" "And then when you try to tell me that I don't know what I'm that I don't know what I'm talking about because I... talking about because I..." "CAITLYN:" "Becauseyoudon 't" "CAITLYN:" "Becauseyoudon 't know." "KIM:" "Youcould'vehad a little bit more respect, but I little bit more respect, but I think if you only had think if you only had positive things to say... positive things to say..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo ..." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo ..." "I can see where you're trying to" "I can see where you're trying to go here." "go here." "Don't go there." "Don't go there." "KIM:" "You'vegotthe fame,but" "KIM:" "You'vegotthe fame,but you're losing your family." "you're losing your family." "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,Iwant" "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,Iwant nothing but good to come out of nothing but good to come out of this." "this." "I want nothing but good to come" "I want nothing but good to come out of my relationship with all out of my relationship with all my kids." "my kids." "KIM:" "Youlookamazing,it's" "KIM:" "Youlookamazing,it's  your time, but you don't have your time, but you don't have to bash us on your way up." "CAITLYN:" "I triedto be as  honest as I could in how I felt." "honest as I could in how I felt." "KIM:" "Yeah." "KIM:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Iseverybody," "CAITLYN:" "Iseverybody, especially Kris, reading too especially Kris, reading too much into every little word much into every little word that's out there?" "that's out there?" "I have never once ever tried to" "I have never once ever tried to do anything that would hurt her." "do anything that would hurt her." "I'm so upset that everybody kind" "I'm so upset that everybody kind of is taking things the wrong of is taking things the wrong way, everybody's on edge." "way, everybody's on edge." "She's feeling bad, I feel bad." "She's feeling bad, I feel bad." "KIM:" "Nomatterwhat,we'rea" "KIM:" "Nomatterwhat,we'rea family." "family." "And even though you and my mom" "And even though you and my mom aren't together anymore and aren't together anymore and there's this full separation, we there's this full separation, we still need to have a united still need to have a united front and understand each other." "front and understand each other." "CAITLYN:" "I getthat." "CAITLYN:" "I getthat." "I get that." "I get that." "KIM:" "Sojustmendit,sowe" "KIM:" "Sojustmendit,sowe can all... can all..." "CAITLYN:" "Moveon ." "CAITLYN:" "Moveon ." "KIM:...moveon andhave" "KIM:...moveon andhave unity." "unity." "CAITLYN:" "Dowe startwith" "CAITLYN:" "Dowe startwith publicly mending it?" "publicly mending it?" "Do you think a tweet?" "Do you think a tweet?" "KIM:" "I thinkso ." "KIM:" "I thinkso ." "I mean, I think if you publicly" "I mean, I think if you publicly acknowledged, it would, it acknowledged, it would, it would, you know, help her would, you know, help her spirits, all your kids' spirits." "spirits, all your kids' spirits." "CAITLYN:" "I-Igetthat." "CAITLYN:" "I-Igetthat." "KIM:" "SoIthinktomake" "KIM:" "SoIthinktomake everything good with everybody, everything good with everybody, if-if the kids... if-if the kids..." "CAITLYN:" "ButIcan 't" "CAITLYN:" "ButIcan 't apologize." "apologize." "I can't apologize unless they" "I can't apologize unless they come out here." "come out here." "Nobody's come out." "Nobody's come out." "Kourtney hasn't made a move at" "Kourtney hasn't made a move at all." "all." "Obviously, Khloe hasn't come" "Obviously, Khloe hasn't come close." "close." "I feel so isolated out here." "I feel so isolated out here." "You know, it's like all of a" "You know, it's like all of a sudden there's this wall that's sudden there's this wall that's up there." "up there." "KIM:" "I thinkthatyou just" "KIM:" "I thinkthatyou just have to get the family unity have to get the family unity going again." "going again." "CAITLYN:" "I justwant" "CAITLYN:" "I justwant everybody to be happy." "everybody to be happy." "I love, love, love all my kids." "I love, love, love all my kids." "I wish you guys were here every" "I wish you guys were here every damn day." "(seagulls squawking)" "I gotta figure out what I should take to a slumber party." "take to a slumber party." "Hold on." "Hold on." "COURTNEY( laughs):" "Whose" "COURTNEY( laughs):" "Whose slumber party are you going to?" "slumber party are you going to?" "Ooh!" "Ooh!" "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) Oh, what kind of slumber party" "Oh, what kind of slumber party is this?" "is this?" "CAITLYN:" "Candis." "CAITLYN:" "Candis." "Well, yeah, I don't know." "Well, yeah, I don't know." "You know who gave me that?" "You know who gave me that?" "COURTNEY:" "Who?" "COURTNEY:" "Who?" "CAITLYN:" "Kris." "CAITLYN:" "Kris." "COURTNEY:" "Shegaveittoyou" "COURTNEY:" "Shegaveittoyou or you stole it?" "or you stole it?" "CAITLYN:" "No,uh ,no ." "CAITLYN:" "No,uh ,no ." "She gave it to me." "She gave it to me." "COURTNEY:" "That'sinteresting." "COURTNEY:" "That'sinteresting." "CAITLYN:" "Shegaveittome ." "CAITLYN:" "Shegaveittome ." "What about that?" "What about that?" "COURTNEY:" "I thinkyoushould" "COURTNEY:" "I thinkyoushould bring that, but I think you bring that, but I think you should bring other options in should bring other options in case you want to have, like, a case you want to have, like, a lingerie dress-up." "lingerie dress-up." "'Cause sometimes you do that" "'Cause sometimes you do that just for fun." "just for fun." "CAITLYN:" "God." "CAITLYN:" "God." "COURTNEY:" "Sois thisjustyou" "COURTNEY:" "Sois thisjustyou and Candis or are there other and Candis or are there other girls coming?" "girls coming?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,rightnow I" "CAITLYN:" "Well,rightnow I think the only one she has firm think the only one she has firm is the two of us." "is the two of us." "COURTNEY:" "Hmm." "COURTNEY:" "Hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tevengothere." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tevengothere." "COURTNEY:" "That'smy dream." "COURTNEY:" "That'smy dream." "CAITLYN:" "Areyoutelling" "CAITLYN:" "Areyoutelling me...?" "Don't even go there." "me...?" "Don't even go there." "COURTNEY:" "Okay,so Ithinkwe" "COURTNEY:" "Okay,so Ithinkwe should go back to the white." "should go back to the white." "CAITLYN:" "Getyourmindoutof" "CAITLYN:" "Getyourmindoutof the gutter." "the gutter." "COURTNEY:" "Weshouldgoback" "COURTNEY:" "Weshouldgoback  to the white." "to the white." "CAITLYN:" "Whatabout..." "CAITLYN:" "Whatabout..." "COURTNEY:" "Ooh--oh ." "COURTNEY:" "Ooh--oh ." "I like that." "I like that." "Maybe you'll go with black" "Maybe you'll go with black 'cause you're feeling a little 'cause you're feeling a little naughty." "naughty." "(Caitlyn laughs)" "(Caitlyn laughs) CAITLYN:" "A slumberparty." "CAITLYN:" "A slumberparty." "Kind of sounds like fun, but I" "Kind of sounds like fun, but I have no idea what goes on, have no idea what goes on, I don't know if I'll feel" "I don't know if I'll feel comfortable." "comfortable." "You know, there's just a lot of" "You know, there's just a lot of questions." "questions." "What happens at a slumber party?" "What happens at a slumber party?" "COURTNEY:" "You,like,pillow" "COURTNEY:" "You,like,pillow fight, you tell ghost stories." "fight, you tell ghost stories." "CAITLYN:" "Pillowfight!" "CAITLYN:" "Pillowfight!" "COURTNEY:" "Youcompareyour" "COURTNEY:" "Youcompareyour boob sizes." "boob sizes." "CAITLYN:" "Ew,God." "CAITLYN:" "Ew,God." "COURTNEY:" "Youneverknow" "COURTNEY:" "Youneverknow where the night's gonna go with where the night's gonna go with Candis." "Candis." "CAITLYN:" "Youjustneverquite" "CAITLYN:" "Youjustneverquite know." "know." "COURTNEY:" "Neverknowwho 's" "COURTNEY:" "Neverknowwho 's gonna not show up." "gonna not show up." "CAITLYN:" "That'strue." "CAITLYN:" "That'strue." "COURTNEY:" "Andyouleaveyou" "COURTNEY:" "Andyouleaveyou two alone. (chuckles) two alone. (chuckles) CAITLYN:" "True." "Oh ,God." "(Caitlyn humming) (Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "Youmadeitupthe" "CANDIS:" "Youmadeitupthe stairs." "stairs." "CAITLYN:" "God,I'mexhausted." "CAITLYN:" "God,I'mexhausted." "CANDIS:" "Comehere." "CANDIS:" "Comehere." "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "HereIam." "CAITLYN:" "Hi,baby." "HereIam." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "Let me get that for you." "Let me get that for you." "(dog barks)" "(dog barks) That's Samson and this is" "That's Samson and this is Delilah." "Delilah." "CAITLYN:" "Well,nicetomeet" "CAITLYN:" "Well,nicetomeet  you guys." "you guys." "CANDIS:" "Youlookgorge." "CANDIS:" "Youlookgorge." "CAITLYN:" "Sodo you,babe." "CAITLYN:" "Sodo you,babe." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) CANDIS:" "We'rein caj." "CANDIS:" "We'rein caj." "CAITLYN:" "We'reverycaj ." "CAITLYN:" "We'reverycaj ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "Do you want some wine?" "Do you want some wine?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whynot ?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whynot ?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "I say that we open up a little" "I say that we open up a little Santa Margarita." "Santa Margarita." "CAITLYN:" "Oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh!" "Love it." "Love it." "CANDIS:" "Whatdo youthink?" "CANDIS:" "Whatdo youthink?" "Okay." "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Perfect." "CAITLYN:" "Perfect." "My God, look at that picture of" "My God, look at that picture of yourself." "yourself." "CANDIS( laughing):" "I know,I" "CANDIS( laughing):" "I know,I can't help it." "can't help it." "CAITLYN:" "Sowho'scoming" "CAITLYN:" "Sowho'scoming over?" "over?" "CANDIS:" "I think,youknow," "CANDIS:" "I think,youknow, some girls are going to try to some girls are going to try to come." "come." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Ifnot,like..." "CANDIS:" "Ifnot,like..." "CAITLYN:" "Whoevershowsup." "CAITLYN:" "Whoevershowsup." "CANDIS:" "Youknow,whoever" "CANDIS:" "Youknow,whoever shows up, they show up." "shows up, they show up." "CAITLYN:" "Wegotour own wine." "CAITLYN:" "Wegotour own wine." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Absolutely." "CAITLYN:" "Absolutely." "CANDIS:" "Wehaveour wine,we" "CANDIS:" "Wehaveour wine,we have our pizza." "have our pizza." "Well, cheers." "Well, cheers." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CANDIS:" "I can'tbelieveIgot" "CANDIS:" "I can'tbelieveIgot you here." "you here." "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,I'm just" "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,I'm just such a free spirit." "such a free spirit." "CANDIS:" "I knowit 'shard," "CANDIS:" "I knowit 'shard, 'cause I'm the same way." "'cause I'm the same way." "I like to just recluse a little" "I like to just recluse a little bit, but I know how important it bit, but I know how important it is... is..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:...tojustspread" "CANDIS:...tojustspread your wings and take off." "your wings and take off." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Iknow." "I'm worried about somebody" "I'm worried about somebody approaching me and how to handle approaching me and how to handle them." "them." "CANDIS:" "Really?" "CANDIS:" "Really?" "CAITLYN:" "Um...yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Um...yeah." "CANDIS:" "Wouldyouliketogo" "CANDIS:" "Wouldyouliketogo  out on a date?" "out on a date?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "WouldI?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "WouldI?" "CANDIS:" "Like,if somebody" "CANDIS:" "Like,if somebody walked up to you who was walked up to you who was beautiful and I was like, "Would beautiful and I was like, "Would you like to go out on a date you like to go out on a date sometime?"" "sometime?" What would you say?" "What would you say?" "CAITLYN:" "You'remaking" "CAITLYN:" "You'remaking this... so tough." "this... so tough." "What would I say?" "What would I say?" "CANDIS:" "Cait,she's" "CANDIS:" "Cait,she's discovering this new life-- with discovering this new life-- with me, which is kind of crazy, you me, which is kind of crazy, you know?" "know?" "Like, I'm suddenly going along" "Like, I'm suddenly going along this journey with her and this this journey with her and this is the beginning of her process." "is the beginning of her process." "And I'm really enjoying spending" "And I'm really enjoying spending time with her and she's open to time with her and she's open to everything, which I really love." "everything, which I really love." "So if you had a dream dress to" "So if you had a dream dress to wear, what would it be?" "wear, what would it be?" "CAITLYN:" "I likeelegant," "CAITLYN:" "I likeelegant, flowing, um... flowing, um..." "Color?" "I don't know." "Color?" "I don't know." "CANDIS:" "I haveawholecloset" "CANDIS:" "I haveawholecloset up there." "up there." "So you can start testing out" "So you can start testing out your theories." "your theories." "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,yeah,I" "CAITLYN:" "MyGod,yeah,I know." "know." "And actually, we're probably" "And actually, we're probably very close in size." "very close in size." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "You'rebiggerinthe" "CAITLYN:" "You'rebiggerinthe ass." "ass." "CANDIS:" "I am...(laughs)" "CANDIS:" "I am...(laughs) I am bigger in the ass, that's" "I am bigger in the ass, that's for sure." "for sure." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,let'sgolook ." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,let'sgolook ." "CANDIS:" "Okay,let'sgolook ." "CANDIS:" "Okay,let'sgolook ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo checkit" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo checkit out." "out." "(crickets chirping)" "(crickets chirping) My God, look at all this stuff." "My God, look at all this stuff." "CANDIS:" "I know!" "CANDIS:" "I know!" "It's so good." "It's so good." "CAITLYN:" "Waitasecond." "CAITLYN:" "Waitasecond." "CANDIS:" "See,thisisa" "CANDIS:" "See,thisisa  number. (inhales) number. (inhales) CAITLYN:" "See,thatwouldget" "CAITLYN:" "See,thatwouldget you in trouble right there." "you in trouble right there." "CANDIS:" "No,thiswouldbeso" "CANDIS:" "No,thiswouldbeso  good on you." "good on you." "It is so flattering." "It is so flattering." "And this would be, like," "And this would be, like, elegant." "elegant." "Like, "I'm going to..."" "Like, "I'm going to..." You know." "You know." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yes." "Yes." "CANDIS:" "I wantto seeyou in" "CANDIS:" "I wantto seeyou in this." "this." "Like, I really kind of do." "Like, I really kind of do." "It would look so good on you." "It would look so good on you." "Will you put it on?" "Will you put it on?" "And there's this version." "And there's this version." "I have two versions, that and" "I have two versions, that and this is the more sheer version." "this is the more sheer version." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo youwear" "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo youwear under that?" "under that?" "CANDIS:" "Nothing." "CANDIS:" "Nothing." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CANDIS:" "Itdoesn'tshow." "CANDIS:" "Itdoesn'tshow." "When your, when your nipples are" "When your, when your nipples are pressed up against it, it pressed up against it, it doesn't show a nipple at all." "doesn't show a nipple at all." "CAITLYN:" "Really,it doesn't," "CAITLYN:" "Really,it doesn't, they don't show any nipples?" "they don't show any nipples?" "CANDIS:" "No." "Yeah,'cause" "CANDIS:" "No." "Yeah,'cause there's some pink in there." "there's some pink in there." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) I will try it on." "I will try it on." "CANDIS:" "Tryit on ." "CANDIS:" "Tryit on ." "I'm gonna pull some outfits for" "I'm gonna pull some outfits for you." "you." "(gasps)" "(gasps) You don't like it?" "You don't like it?" "CAITLYN:" "I loveit ." "CAITLYN:" "I loveit ." "CANDIS:" "Okay,it looksreally" "CANDIS:" "Okay,it looksreally good." "good." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Itfitsreallygood ," "CANDIS:" "Itfitsreallygood , right?" "right?" "CAITLYN:" "Thebutt?" "Working?" "CAITLYN:" "Thebutt?" "Working?" "The butt working?" "The butt working?" "CANDIS:" "Thebuttisworking." "CANDIS:" "Thebuttisworking." "Yes." "Yes." "Wait, here." "Wait, here." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "(laughs)" "(laughs) We'll be right back." "We'll be right back." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,we 'llbe right" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,we 'llbe right back." "back." "CANDIS:" "Oh,Ilikethebra." "CANDIS:" "Oh,Ilikethebra." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Get 'em up there!" "Get 'em up there!" "CANDIS:" "Get'emupthere." "CANDIS:" "Get'emupthere." "Oh, my God, you have to go look" "Oh, my God, you have to go look in the mirror here." "in the mirror here." "How gorgeous is that?" "How gorgeous is that?" "It's hot." "It's hot." "(laughs)" "(laughs) It's a little low." "It's a little low." "It needs a strap." "It needs a strap." "CAITLYN:" "Yes,it needs,like," "CAITLYN:" "Yes,it needs,like, a wide strap there." "a wide strap there." "CANDIS:" "Well,anditshows..." "CANDIS:" "Well,anditshows..." "it shows a lot of... it shows a lot of..." "CAITLYN:" "Itkindofshows" "CAITLYN:" "Itkindofshows-- yes." "yes." "CANDIS:" "Now,thisisthe" "CANDIS:" "Now,thisisthe look." "look." "This is New York City." "This is New York City." "See?" "How good?" "See?" "How good?" "Yes, I love it!" "Yes, I love it!" "CAITLYN:" "I lovetheselittle" "CAITLYN:" "I lovetheselittle slumber parties." "slumber parties." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "(crickets chirping)" "(crickets chirping) (doorbell rings)" "(doorbell rings) (door opens)" "(door opens) Hi, gorge." "Hi, gorge." "JEN:" "Hi." "JEN:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "CANDIS:" "Hi." "JEN:" "Howareyou ?" "JEN:" "Howareyou ?" "CAITLYN:" "I haven'tseenyou" "CAITLYN:" "I haven'tseenyou  forever." "forever." "JEN:" "Forever." "JEN:" "Forever." "How are you?" "How are you?" "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "JEN:" "Goodto seeyou ." "JEN:" "Goodto seeyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Andyoubrought" "CAITLYN:" "Andyoubrought along a friend." "along a friend." "JEN:" "I wantto introduceyou" "JEN:" "I wantto introduceyou  two." "two." "Caitlyn, this is Kate." "Caitlyn, this is Kate." "KATE:" "Hello." "KATE:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou doing?" "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou doing?" "Probably one of the most" "Probably one of the most experienced people in this field experienced people in this field is Kate Bornstein." "is Kate Bornstein." "She's written books, she's been" "She's written books, she's been an advocate for the last 30, 40 an advocate for the last 30, 40 years." "years." "She has seen so many transitions" "She has seen so many transitions take place and she is just an take place and she is just an absolute wealth of information." "absolute wealth of information." "I am so excited to meet her." "I am so excited to meet her." "KATE:" "YouandIshare" "KATE:" "YouandIshare timelines." "timelines." "We go like this." "We go like this." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God,let 'ssit" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God,let 'ssit  down." "down." "(laughter)" "(laughter) JEN:" "Let'sgetrightin." "JEN:" "Let'sgetrightin." "CAITLYN:" "Let'ssitdown." "CAITLYN:" "Let'ssitdown." "We need to talk." "We need to talk." "JEN:" "Yes." "Thefirsttime I" "JEN:" "Yes." "Thefirsttime I met Kate was at an event in met Kate was at an event in Chicago." "Chicago." "A lot of her message is-is aimed" "A lot of her message is-is aimed at that population, people who at that population, people who are really struggling, and I are really struggling, and I remember what really struck me remember what really struck me was, there was this event in" "was, there was this event in Chicago, and then she sat down" "Chicago, and then she sat down afterwards, and there was just a afterwards, and there was just a long line of people, and, like, long line of people, and, like, an hour and a half later, Kate" "an hour and a half later, Kate was the last person to leave was the last person to leave that room, after everyone had that room, after everyone had come forth and kind of poured come forth and kind of poured out their hearts to this woman." "out their hearts to this woman." "And there's not many people who" "And there's not many people who would do that for us." "would do that for us." "CAITLYN:" "ThelovethatI've" "CAITLYN:" "ThelovethatI've  seen and the goodness that I've seen and the goodness that I've seen come out of this has seen come out of this has been... been great." "been... been great." "And it's because of people like" "And it's because of people like yourself, you know, that have yourself, you know, that have really struggled for years, and, really struggled for years, and, you know, it's made a difference" "you know, it's made a difference for everybody, you know?" "for everybody, you know?" "KATE:" "Well,you'vejoinedthe" "KATE:" "Well,you'vejoinedthe club." "club." "Your mind must be fried." "Your mind must be fried." "CAITLYN:" "It'sjust,it's" "CAITLYN:" "It'sjust,it's overwhelming to me, so it's been overwhelming to me, so it's been a fun journey for me." "a fun journey for me." "I've learned so much in the" "I've learned so much in the last, you know, month, six last, you know, month, six weeks." "weeks." "KATE:" "Haveyoubeendealing" "KATE:" "Haveyoubeendealing well with the freak factor?" "well with the freak factor?" "'Cause... that's... that's a" "'Cause... that's... that's a fact." "fact." "We are freaks in... to a lot of" "We are freaks in... to a lot of the world." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "I really feel like what we're" "I really feel like what we're really trying to do here is kind really trying to do here is kind of normalize this as much as we of normalize this as much as we possibly can." "possibly can." "KATE:" "Well,partofthe" "KATE:" "Well,partofthe reason you want to is 'cause you reason you want to is 'cause you don't want to be a freak." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "I really feel like whahat we're" "I really feel like whahat we're really trying to do here is kind really trying to do here is kind of normalize this as much as we of normalize this as much as we possibly can." "possibly can." "KATE:" "Well,parttof the" "KATE:" "Well,parttof the reason you want to is s 'cause u reason you want to is s 'cause u don't want to be a freak." "don't want to be a freak." "And who does?" "And who does?" "That's what t stopped me for" "That's what t stopped me for years and yearars from moving years and yearars from moving forward." "forward." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah.." "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah.." "Yeah." "Oh, I agree." "Oh, I agree." "You are gonna have that segment" "You are gonna have that segment of the population that's gonna of the population that's gonna say: yes, this is the biggestt say: yes, this is the biggestt freak show I'v've ever seen in" "freak show I'v've ever seen in life." "life." "Especially for m me to do" "Especially for m me to do something like that.t." "something like that.t. But as time..." "But as time..." "KATE:" "Well,goingffrom" "KATE:" "Well,goingffrom  hyper-guy to hyper-girl,I, yeah." "hyper-guy to hyper-girl,I, yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,to ..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,to ..." "Yeah, hyper-girl, you know?" "Yeah, hyper-girl, you know?" "KATE:( gasps)Winkat me one" "KATE:( gasps)Winkat me one more time and you're in trouble, more time and you're in trouble, missy." "missy." "(everyone laughs)" "(everyone laughs) CAITLYN:" "I 'llrememberthat." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llrememberthat." "Thanks for the warning, babe." "Thanks for the warning, babe." "JEN:" "Cait..." "Caitisthis" "JEN:" "Cait..." "Caitisthis  community's biggest flirt." "community's biggest flirt." "Just..." "Just..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Yeah." "JEN:" "Whichwe love." "JEN:" "Whichwe love." "We love it." "We love it." "CAITLYN:" "But,um ,howI" "CAITLYN:" "But,um ,howI present myself to the world, present myself to the world, okay, is important to me." "okay, is important to me." "KATE:" "Ofcourse." "KATE:" "Ofcourse." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow?" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow?" "So how do you see a way to get" "So how do you see a way to get over the freak factor?" "over the freak factor?" "KATE:" "Theonlyway I've" "KATE:" "Theonlyway I've gotten through it is to own it." "gotten through it is to own it." "Owning the "freakdom" with" "Owning the "freakdom" with heart... heart..." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "KATE:...andgoing:yeah,I'm" "KATE:...andgoing:yeah,I'm a freak, and I love you, and I a freak, and I love you, and I won't hurt you, and I won't be won't hurt you, and I won't be mean to you... mean to you..." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "KATE:...andyouhavemyword" "KATE:...andyouhavemyword on that." "on that." "So that's how it's got to go." "So that's how it's got to go." "I have problems with the word" "I have problems with the word "ally."" ""ally." Um, many people think, "I accept" "Um, many people think, "I accept you, uh, therefore I'm an ally."" "you, uh, therefore I'm an ally." No, you're not." "No, you're not." "No, you're an accepting person." "No, you're an accepting person." ""Ally" means you ask me what I" ""Ally" means you ask me what I need, I tell you, and you tell need, I tell you, and you tell me what or how much of that you me what or how much of that you can actually supply." "can actually supply." "If I say I need help getting" "If I say I need help getting through that crowd of people who through that crowd of people who think I'm a freak, and I need think I'm a freak, and I need you to be a bodyguard, that" "you to be a bodyguard, that would be an ally to me." "would be an ally to me." "And ask." "And ask." "Don't assume you know." "Don't assume you know." "Don't assume that everybody's" "Don't assume that everybody's big issue is gender-free big issue is gender-free bathrooms." "bathrooms." "Uh, it's not." "Uh, it's not." "And for some people it is the" "And for some people it is the most pressing issue." "most pressing issue." "Ask." "Ask." "That's the first step of being a" "That's the first step of being a good ally." "good ally." "Oh, one word of warning, okay?" "Oh, one word of warning, okay?" "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Go ." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Go ." "KATE:" "You'reenteringan" "KATE:" "You'reenteringan adolescence." "adolescence." "You're going to go through" "You're going to go through everything you went through in everything you went through in adolescence before." "adolescence before." "It's gonna happen again." "It's gonna happen again." "This happens whenever someone" "This happens whenever someone takes on a new identity." "takes on a new identity." "It's all about, "Oh, my God," "It's all about, "Oh, my God, they're looking at me." "they're looking at me." "Oh, I am..." "Oh, I am..." "Oh, no, they're looking at me." "Oh, no, they're looking at me." "What am I gonna do?"" "What am I gonna do?" And we learn to get through" "And we learn to get through adolescence." "adolescence." "CAITLYN:" "Whattypeof" "CAITLYN:" "Whattypeof suggestions would you give me as suggestions would you give me as I move forward?" "I move forward?" "KATE:" "Whentherug gets" "KATE:" "Whentherug gets pulled out from under you... pulled out from under you..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KATE:...jump." "KATE:...jump." "(Jen laughs)" "(Jen laughs) CAITLYN:" "I thankyou" "CAITLYN:" "I thankyou for your advice." "for your advice." "It's really an honor to meet" "It's really an honor to meet you." "you." "I appreciate all you've done." "I appreciate all you've done." "KATE:" "I appreciatehowyou 're" "KATE:" "I appreciatehowyou 're using your position and using your position and privilege to do good." "privilege to do good." "CAITLYN:" "Well,keepitgoing," "CAITLYN:" "Well,keepitgoing, all right?" "all right?" "I did, uh, that one more wink." "I did, uh, that one more wink." "Look out." "Look out." "(laughter and clapping)" "(laughter and clapping) KATE:" "Didn'tescapeme, baby" "KATE:" "Didn'tescapeme, baby girl." "girl." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Really?" "Okay." "Okay, good, really." "Okay, good, really." "I've found so many people that" "I've found so many people that love and accept you and... of love and accept you and... of who you really are." "who you really are." "They want to change society's" "They want to change society's perception of gender identity." "perception of gender identity." "And to be honest with you," "And to be honest with you, they're so normal, I can't stand they're so normal, I can't stand it." "it." "CANDIS:" "Areyougood,honey?" "CANDIS:" "Areyougood,honey?" "CAITLYN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No." "CANDIS:" "No?" "You'renot good?" "CANDIS:" "No?" "You'renot good?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I'mclose." "CAITLYN:" "Uh,I'mclose." "One second." "One second." "CANDIS:( gasps)That'sso" "CANDIS:( gasps)That'sso  cute." "cute." "CAITLYN:" "Isthatcute?" "CAITLYN:" "Isthatcute?" "CANDIS:" "No,that'ssuper" "CANDIS:" "No,that'ssuper cute." "cute." "CAITLYN:" "Wehadthesefor," "CAITLYN:" "Wehadthesefor,  uh, we had... uh, we had..." "CANDIS:" "I likethesilk." "CANDIS:" "I likethesilk." "CAITLYN:" "I know,they're" "CAITLYN:" "I know,they're so... so..." "CANDIS:" "I don'thave..." "CANDIS:" "I don'thave..." "I don't have pajamas." "I don't have pajamas." "CAITLYN:" "Youdon'thave" "CAITLYN:" "Youdon'thave pajamas?" "pajamas?" "CANDIS:" "No." "CANDIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo yousleep" "CAITLYN:" "Whatdo yousleep in?" "in?" "CANDIS:" "Nothing.(laughs)" "CAITLYN:" "Tobe veryhonest with you, if she would have been with you, if she would have been okay with me... okay with me..." "KHLOE:" "Okaywithyou" "KHLOE:" "Okaywithyou  transitioning and still being transitioning and still being married to her?" "married to her?" "CAITLYN:" "Notso mucheven" "CAITLYN:" "Notso mucheven transitioning, just living with transitioning, just living with it-- she would just have to be it-- she would just have to be okay." "okay." "KHLOE:" "Mm-hmm." "KHLOE:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Instead,I" "CAITLYN:" "Instead,I constantly had to hide myself." "constantly had to hide myself." "I wasn't able to talk about it." "I wasn't able to talk about it." "Then once I got out to Malibu" "Then once I got out to Malibu and we went our separate and we went our separate directions, I said: here I am, directions, I said: here I am, at my age, and I got the same" "at my age, and I got the same problems I had when I was ten problems I had when I was ten years old." "years old." "KHLOE:" "Uh-huh." "KHLOE:" "Uh-huh." "CAITLYN:" "WhatthehellamI" "CAITLYN:" "WhatthehellamI gonna do with this?" "CANDIS:" "You'reallchanged and ready?" "and ready?" "CAITLYN:" "A beautifulday." "CAITLYN:" "A beautifulday." "CANDIS:" "It'sabeautifulday." "CAITLYN:" "Perfect." "Perfect." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) I'll be able to sneak out and" "I'll be able to sneak out and sneak in." "sneak in." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "That was fun." "That was fun." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,thatwas so" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,thatwas so much fun." "much fun." "CAITLYN:" "I know..." "CAITLYN:" "I know..." "CANDIS:" "I 'mgladthatyou get" "CANDIS:" "I 'mgladthatyou get  to... to..." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "CANDIS:...sneakawayfor a" "CANDIS:...sneakawayfor a minute." "minute." "CAITLYN:" "Allright,babe." "CAITLYN:" "Allright,babe." "CANDIS:" "Allright,honey." "CANDIS:" "Allright,honey." "I'll see you later." "I'll see you later." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthenexttime ." "CAITLYN:" "Tillthenexttime ." "CANDIS:" "Tillthenexttime ." "CANDIS:" "Tillthenexttime ." "CAITLYN:" "Lookat thathot" "CAITLYN:" "Lookat thathot  shot." "shot." "That's the final reminder." "That's the final reminder." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) Okay." "Thank you!" "Okay." "Thank you!" "CANDIS:" "Thanks." "CANDIS:" "Thanks." "CAITLYN:" "CandisandIhave" "CAITLYN:" "CandisandIhave  been spending a lot of time been spending a lot of time together." "together." "I really like Candis." "I really like Candis." "I admit, she's nice." "I admit, she's nice." "She's a beautiful lady." "She's a beautiful lady." "We have a lot of fun." "We have a lot of fun." "I'm just learning so much from" "I'm just learning so much from her, and she's really a lot of her, and she's really a lot of fun to be around." "SUSAN:" "Caitlyn!" "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou ?" "CAITLYN:" "Howareyou ?" "SUSAN:" "Howareyou ,honey?" "SUSAN:" "Howareyou ,honey?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,I'mdoingfine ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,I'mdoingfine ." "How about you?" "How about you?" "SUSAN:" "Good,good,good." "SUSAN:" "Good,good,good." "CAITLYN:" "SusanLandon--she" "CAITLYN:" "SusanLandon--she  works for the L.A. Transgender works for the L.A. Transgender Center, primarily with families," "Center, primarily with families, and she has been extremely and she has been extremely supportive during this supportive during this transition." "transition." "Let's start with family." "Let's start with family." "SUSAN:" "Okay." "SUSAN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Wherewe 'reat with" "CAITLYN:" "Wherewe 'reat with the family." "the family." "SUSAN:" "Yes." "SUSAN:" "Yes." "What's your relationship with" "What's your relationship with them right now?" "them right now?" "Are you... are you kind of...?" "Are you... are you kind of...?" "CAITLYN:" "I reallyhaven't" "CAITLYN:" "I reallyhaven't talked much to them." "Yeah." "talked much to them." "Yeah." "SUSAN:" "Okay." "SUSAN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "It'sextraordinarily" "CAITLYN:" "It'sextraordinarily difficult with the girls." "difficult with the girls." "And I've said right from the" "And I've said right from the beginning:" "I don't want to hurt beginning:" "I don't want to hurt my kids." "my kids." "SUSAN:" "I know." "SUSAN:" "I know." "CAITLYN:" "Andthenhavinga" "CAITLYN:" "Andthenhavinga difficult time with pretty much difficult time with pretty much everything I do hurts... down in everything I do hurts... down in your soul." "your soul." "SUSAN:" "Yeah." "SUSAN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Um,ItextKhloeall" "CAITLYN:" "Um,ItextKhloeall the time." "the time." "And, um, you know, I don't get" "And, um, you know, I don't get a, like, a big response from a, like, a big response from her." "her." "SUSAN:" "Right,right." "SUSAN:" "Right,right." "CAITLYN:" "Whichis ashame." "CAITLYN:" "Whichis ashame." "Most of her issues are not the" "Most of her issues are not the whole transition stuff." "whole transition stuff." "SUSAN:" "Mm-hmm." "SUSAN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "It'smore...she" "CAITLYN:" "It'smore...she  didn't like the Vanity Fair didn't like the Vanity Fair article, 'cause she thought I article, 'cause she thought I was putting her mom down." "was putting her mom down." "SUSAN:" "Uh-huh." "SUSAN:" "Uh-huh." "CAITLYN:" "Allthiskindof" "CAITLYN:" "Allthiskindof stuff." "stuff." "SUSAN:" "Well,youknow,it's" "SUSAN:" "Well,youknow,it's  all really new, and there have all really new, and there have been lots of dynamics." "been lots of dynamics." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Mm-hmm." "SUSAN:" "Allright?" "SUSAN:" "Allright?" "In the family, over time, as in" "In the family, over time, as in every family." "every family." "CAITLYN:" "Right,I'mtryingto" "CAITLYN:" "Right,I'mtryingto do this right." "do this right." "They don't-- haven't-haven't had" "They don't-- haven't-haven't had a chance to see that other side, a chance to see that other side, you know?" "you know?" "SUSAN:" "Right,right,exactly." "SUSAN:" "Right,right,exactly." "CAITLYN:" "Andthattomeis" "CAITLYN:" "Andthattomeis  frustrating, 'cause I feel frustrating, 'cause I feel better this way than I did in better this way than I did in the old days." "the old days." "SUSAN:" "Ofcourseyou do!" "SUSAN:" "Ofcourseyou do!" "And you're more present." "And you're more present." "And you feel more available for" "And you feel more available for the world and for everybody." "the world and for everybody." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "SUSAN:" "However,it maytake" "SUSAN:" "However,it maytake some of them more time than, some of them more time than, than feels comfortable for you." "than feels comfortable for you." "Caitlyn has a big family." "Caitlyn has a big family." "So there are gonna be lots of" "So there are gonna be lots of dynamics to deal with and to dynamics to deal with and to talk through and to take time talk through and to take time with." "with." "You can't force acceptance." "You can't force acceptance." "It just, unfortunately, it" "It just, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, and I doesn't work that way, and I think, uh, a lot of this is think, uh, a lot of this is extremely painful for her." "CAITLYN:" "Hello." "LORENZO:" "Hi." "LORENZO:" "Hi." "Lorenzo Benet." "Lorenzo Benet." "CAITLYN:" "Lorenzo,nicetosee" "CAITLYN:" "Lorenzo,nicetosee you." "you." "LORENZO:" "We'vemetbefore." "LORENZO:" "We'vemetbefore." "CAITLYN:" "Yes,howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes,howare you ?" "BOB:" "I 'mBobWeinerwiththe" "BOB:" "I 'mBobWeinerwiththe hospital." "hospital." "CAITLYN:" "TodayCandisand I" "CAITLYN:" "TodayCandisand I are going over to visit a group, are going over to visit a group, Transforming Family." "Transforming Family." "This is a support group for" "This is a support group for families whose children are families whose children are dealing with gender identity dealing with gender identity issues." "issues." "I'm just so excited, you know," "I'm just so excited, you know, to have the opportunity to talk to have the opportunity to talk to these kids and see how this to these kids and see how this program gives these kids time program gives these kids time and a good environment to be" "and a good environment to be able to mend their relationships able to mend their relationships with their family." "with their family." "Sometimes it's good to really" "Sometimes it's good to really go see how other families have go see how other families have dealt with issues like this." "dealt with issues like this." "Hopefully I'll be able to learn" "Hopefully I'll be able to learn something today, so it can help something today, so it can help me with dealing with my kids." "me with dealing with my kids." "Well, hi there." "Well, hi there." "CHAZ:" "Hello." "CHAZ:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Goodto seeyou ." "CAITLYN:" "Goodto seeyou ." "CHAZ:" "Goodto seeyou ,too ." "CHAZ:" "Goodto seeyou ,too ." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing,Chaz ?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing,Chaz ?" "In your transition..." "In your transition..." "CHAZ:" "Yes." "CHAZ:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Okay?" "Which" "CAITLYN:" "Okay?" "Which obviously I was watching and obviously I was watching and everybody else was watching." "everybody else was watching." "CHAZ:" "Mm-hmm." "CHAZ:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "I knowit 'sbeena" "CAITLYN:" "I knowit 'sbeena lot of hard work, but you've lot of hard work, but you've done a very good job." "done a very good job." "CHAZ:" "Thankyou." "CHAZ:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "AndIwas really" "CAITLYN:" "AndIwas really glad to see that." "glad to see that." "For the longest time, I've" "For the longest time, I've wanted to talk to Chaz." "wanted to talk to Chaz." "Uh, I met him at Dancing with" "Uh, I met him at Dancing with the Stars briefly and obviously the Stars briefly and obviously I couldn't tell him my story." "I couldn't tell him my story." "You know, he came out publicly" "You know, he came out publicly before I did, so finally having before I did, so finally having the opportunity to spend some the opportunity to spend some time with him, uh, I think it's" "time with him, uh, I think it's gonna be great." "gonna be great." "I can learn a lot from him." "I can learn a lot from him." "Hello." "Hello." "NICK:" "Comeon in ." "NICK:" "Comeon in ." "CAITLYN:" "Well,hi ,everybody." "CAITLYN:" "Well,hi ,everybody." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "OTHERS:" "Good." "OTHERS:" "Good." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mCaitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mCaitlyn." "This is Candis if you didn't" "This is Candis if you didn't know." "know." "CANDIS:" "Hi,everybody." "CANDIS:" "Hi,everybody." "CAITLYN:" "Mygoodfriend." "CAITLYN:" "Mygoodfriend." "NICK:" "Hello." "My nameisNick ," "NICK:" "Hello." "My nameisNick , and I work at GLAAD." "and I work at GLAAD." "And this is a group for both the" "And this is a group for both the kids and the parents and the kids and the parents and the siblings and the grandparents to siblings and the grandparents to come and get support." "come and get support." "CHAZ:" "NickandIboth started" "CHAZ:" "NickandIboth started facilitating here in 2009, so... facilitating here in 2009, so..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,wow,okay." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,wow,okay." "CHAZ:" "Andto seethe" "CHAZ:" "Andto seethe  transition that happens, the transition that happens, the magic that happens, 'cause we magic that happens, 'cause we don't know what goes on in don't know what goes on in there, but there is a magic that" "there, but there is a magic that happens in there with the happens in there with the parents, and we just get to see parents, and we just get to see the effect that it has on the" "the effect that it has on the kids in here." "kids in here." "And I've had the privilege of" "And I've had the privilege of seeing kids come in in a kind of seeing kids come in in a kind of difficult place sometimes, difficult place sometimes, because their parents are just because their parents are just not understanding and not" "not understanding and not accepting, and we get to see, accepting, and we get to see, through the kids, the through the kids, the transformation that happens with transformation that happens with the parents, and suddenly the" "the parents, and suddenly the kids are, you know, doing so kids are, you know, doing so much better." "much better." "The families are doing better." "The families are doing better." "They're happy, they're healthy." "They're happy, they're healthy." "A different kid, you know," "A different kid, you know, emerges." "emerges." "AUBREY:" "Havingthat,like," "AUBREY:" "Havingthat,like, base, um, has just let me do so base, um, has just let me do so much more; without my parents much more; without my parents supporting me, I would never be" "supporting me, I would never be in, you know, college." "in, you know, college." "I would never be getting a" "I would never be getting a degree." "degree." "I, you know, wouldn't be able to" "I, you know, wouldn't be able to have a connection with my have a connection with my siblings or my cousins and siblings or my cousins and actually be active, you know, actually be active, you know, and be kind of political," "and be kind of political, almost." "almost." "ZOEY:" "I startedmy transition" "ZOEY:" "I startedmy transition when I was nine years old, and when I was nine years old, and so I feel like the fact that I so I feel like the fact that I have support from my mom and my" "have support from my mom and my sister and my brother, I feel sister and my brother, I feel like it's made me so much more like it's made me so much more confident and it's helped me get" "confident and it's helped me get better grades in school." "better grades in school." "It's helped me stay in school" "It's helped me stay in school still." "still." "And I feel like, without my" "And I feel like, without my mom's support, I wouldn't be mom's support, I wouldn't be here today." "here today." "Also I feel like I'm very" "Also I feel like I'm very honored and happy to have her honored and happy to have her in my life, so yeah." "in my life, so yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Whoseparentsreally" "CAITLYN:" "Whoseparentsreally had a difficult struggle with had a difficult struggle with it?" "it?" "Right there." "Right there." "SCOTT:" "Yeah,my momand dad" "SCOTT:" "Yeah,my momand dad  didn't believe it at first." "didn't believe it at first." "They were like, "That's crazy."" "They were like, "That's crazy." And we had this jar, and it was," "And we had this jar, and it was, if you called me the wrong if you called me the wrong pronoun, you gave me a dollar." "pronoun, you gave me a dollar." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "Howdidthatwork" "CAITLYN:" "Howdidthatwork  out?" "out?" "SCOTT:" "I madeahundred" "SCOTT:" "I madeahundred dollars." "dollars." "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "That's,uh," "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "That's,uh,  pretty good." "pretty good." "NICK:" "So,nowwe'regoingto" "NICK:" "So,nowwe'regoingto allow our guests to go talk to allow our guests to go talk to the parents." "the parents." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo talktothe" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo talktothe parents." "parents." "CANDIS:" "Mm-hmm." "CANDIS:" "Mm-hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyouall for" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyouall for  sharing your stories." "sharing your stories." "CANDIS:" "Itwarmsmyheart,it" "CANDIS:" "Itwarmsmyheart,it inspires me to see what a great inspires me to see what a great start you guys have." "start you guys have." "It's incredible." "It's incredible." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "NICK:" "Allright,well," "NICK:" "Allright,well, thank you so much for having us." "thank you so much for having us." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyoufor coming" "CAITLYN:" "Thankyoufor coming in." "in." "NICK:" "Thankyou." "NICK:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Therearesomany" "CAITLYN:" "Therearesomany  good people out there that good people out there that really are dedicated to really are dedicated to dealing with this issue in the dealing with this issue in the transgender community." "transgender community." "I know how these kids can feel." "I know how these kids can feel." "I've been there." "I've been there." "And the love and acceptance of" "And the love and acceptance of your family is extraordinarily your family is extraordinarily important." "important." "Uh, I want to thank all of you" "Uh, I want to thank all of you for coming in, because the for coming in, because the parenting thing is tough." "parenting thing is tough." "I mean, there is a very dark" "I mean, there is a very dark side to this." "side to this." "I've heard such horror stories" "I've heard such horror stories of families kicking their kids of families kicking their kids out of the house, and so, out of the house, and so, protecting your children from protecting your children from all of that, um, being a good" "all of that, um, being a good loving parent, um, and loving parent, um, and supportive is extraordinarily supportive is extraordinarily important." "important." "CANDIS:" "I 'maswell-adjusted" "CANDIS:" "I 'maswell-adjusted as I am because my parents, from as I am because my parents, from the very beginning, were the very beginning, were completely supportive." "completely supportive." "So I applaud you guys for being" "So I applaud you guys for being here and being so supportive." "here and being so supportive." "JULIA:" "Yeah,Imean,Icame" "JULIA:" "Yeah,Imean,Icame here as a, you know, uh, here as a, you know, uh, completely lost almost two years completely lost almost two years ago, panic-driven, I guess, and" "ago, panic-driven, I guess, and not even two years later, seeing not even two years later, seeing Elliot become Elliot has changed" "Elliot become Elliot has changed how I perceive myself, how I how I perceive myself, how I perceive the world and what I perceive the world and what I think is important." "think is important." "CYNDIE:" "Asparents,Ithink" "CYNDIE:" "Asparents,Ithink we, we know our children and we we, we know our children and we know who they are." "know who they are." "And people ask me a lot of "Oh," "And people ask me a lot of "Oh, well, what if they change their well, what if they change their mind?"" "mind?" CAITLYN:" "Hmm." "CAITLYN:" "Hmm." "CYNDIE:" "They'renotgoingto" "CYNDIE:" "They'renotgoingto change their mind." "change their mind." "The kid has been this way since" "The kid has been this way since he was two, you know?" "he was two, you know?" "They're not gonna change their" "They're not gonna change their mind." "mind." "SCOTT:" "Wehad,wegotthose" "SCOTT:" "Wehad,wegotthose  questions right away." "questions right away." "It's like, "Are you sure?"" "It's like, "Are you sure?" I was like, "Look, I-I'm just" "I was like, "Look, I-I'm just following his lead." Right?" "following his lead." Right?" "We-we cut off the hair, he's a" "We-we cut off the hair, he's a happier kid, right?" "happier kid, right?" "We-we changed his name, he's a" "We-we changed his name, he's a happier kid." "happier kid." "JED:" "Ifyouhavea" "JED:" "Ifyouhavea transgender kid, you are living transgender kid, you are living with a unicorn, an amazing human with a unicorn, an amazing human being, like, to be next to being, like, to be next to someone so brave, so cool, so" "someone so brave, so cool, so close to themselves." "close to themselves." "And the reality is, Avery has" "And the reality is, Avery has been on point from age two been on point from age two apparently, you know what I apparently, you know what I mean?" "mean?" "So the reality is, it's just," "So the reality is, it's just, it's such an honor." "it's such an honor." "OFELIA:" "It'sso truewhat" "OFELIA:" "It'sso truewhat he's saying, because I didn't he's saying, because I didn't know I was as strong as I am know I was as strong as I am until Zoey." "until Zoey." "People tell me, "Who's your role" "People tell me, "Who's your role model?" "Who helps you?"" "model?" "Who helps you?" She does, because I learned from" "She does, because I learned from her to move forward and do what her to move forward and do what she needs." "she needs." "CAITLYN:" "Transitioningis a" "CAITLYN:" "Transitioningis a difficult, difficult thing to difficult, difficult thing to do." "do." "Anybody goes through something" "Anybody goes through something like this, you realize that like this, you realize that there's a lot of adjustments in there's a lot of adjustments in the family." "the family." "Right now, it's a little bit" "Right now, it's a little bit strained with Khloe." "strained with Khloe." "And I don't want that in my" "And I don't want that in my li..." "I want Khloe to continue li..." "I want Khloe to continue to be very close to me." "to be very close to me." "You know, I think we have, as" "You know, I think we have, as parents, tremendous challenges parents, tremendous challenges in dealing with something like in dealing with something like this." "this." "Thank you so much for coming in." "Thank you so much for coming in." "I'm so glad I had an opportunity" "I'm so glad I had an opportunity to meet all of you." "to meet all of you." "I love what you're doing." "Stevie!" "STEVIE:" "Goodto seeyou" "STEVIE:" "Goodto seeyou  again." "again." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoing?" "Khloe and I have always been," "Khloe and I have always been, um, very close." "um, very close." "Khloe is also very opinionated." "Khloe is also very opinionated." "KHLOE:" "Thanksforcallingme" "KHLOE:" "Thanksforcallingme after I left your house." "after I left your house." "I haven't spoke to you since" "I haven't spoke to you since then when I left in tears." "then when I left in tears." "So you obviously..." "So you obviously..." "CAITLYN:" "Youdidn'tcallme," "CAITLYN:" "Youdidn'tcallme, either." "either." "KHLOE:" "WhyshouldI?" "KHLOE:" "WhyshouldI?" "You're the one who was (bleep)" "You're the one who was (bleep) lying to me." "lying to me." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnotlying," "CAITLYN:" "I 'mnotlying, Khloe." "Khloe." "KHLOE:" "Youwere,untilwegot" "KHLOE:" "Youwere,untilwegot it out of you." "it out of you." "CAITLYN:" "I justdidn't" "CAITLYN:" "I justdidn't tell you." "tell you." "She certainly has had her issues" "She certainly has had her issues with me, especially the Vanity with me, especially the Vanity Fair article." "Fair article." "And so today, I'm going over" "And so today, I'm going over there." "there." "Gonna spend a little time with" "Gonna spend a little time with her and see if we can kind of her and see if we can kind of hash things out." "hash things out." "Oh, God." "KHLOE:" "Oh,hey!" "CAITLYN:" "HiHi,babe." "CAITLYN:" "HiHi,babe." "KHLOE:" "Howareyou ?" "KHLOE:" "Howareyou ?" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mwonderful." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mwonderful." "KHLOE:" "Letme seeyourpurse." "KHLOE:" "Letme seeyourpurse." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,,don 'tget" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,,don 'tget  jealous." "jealous." "Donatella Ver..." "Versace sent" "Donatella Ver..." "Versace sent it." "it." "KHLOE:" "Gorgeousus." "KHLOE:" "Gorgeousus." "CAITLYN:" "It'sa, uh ,noton" "CAITLYN:" "It'sa, uh ,noton the market yet, but, s so... the market yet, but, s so..." "KHLOE:" "It'snnot on" "KHLOE:" "It'snnot on the market?" "the market?" "CAITLYN:" "Neitherare" "CAITLYN:" "Neitherare the glasasses." "the glasasses." "KHLOE:" "Youdon'tsay" "KHLOE:" "Youdon'tsay  "the market."" ""the market." CAITLYN:" "Okay,not,not ..." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,not,not ..." "KHLOE:" "Like,notin" "KHLOE:" "Like,notin stores yet." "stores yet." "CAITLYN:" "It'snotinstores" "CAITLYN:" "It'snotinstores yet." "Neither are the... yet." "Neither are the..." "KHLOE:" "Yeah,youdon 'tsay" "KHLOE:" "Yeah,youdon 'tsay  "on the market."" ""on the market." CAITLYN:" "Shealsosentthe..." "CAITLYN:" "Shealsosentthe..." "KHLOE:" "Thosearecool." "KHLOE:" "Thosearecool." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "I 'manaviatorgirl," "KHLOE:" "I 'manaviatorgirl, but these are very... but these are very..." "You know, I could see MJ wearing" "You know, I could see MJ wearing these." "these." "Like, they're very, like, chic," "Like, they're very, like, chic, like Jackie O." "like Jackie O. CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah,exactly." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah,exactly." "KHLOE:" "Whodoes" "KHLOE:" "Whodoes your eyelashes?" "your eyelashes?" "Do you know how to do that?" "Do you know how to do that?" "CAITLYN:" "I cando it ,but" "CAITLYN:" "I cando it ,but certainly somebody else does it certainly somebody else does it better." "better." "KHLOE:" "I don'tknow" "KHLOE:" "I don'tknow how to do it." "how to do it." "I don't wear fake lashes" "I don't wear fake lashes normally." "normally." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "Haveyoueverheardof" "KHLOE:" "Haveyoueverheardof eyelash extensions?" "eyelash extensions?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes,Ihaveheardof" "CAITLYN:" "Yes,Ihaveheardof that, but I haven't done it." "that, but I haven't done it." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "We were saying that we should" "We were saying that we should take you to a place to do it." "take you to a place to do it." "Kendall and I were saying that." "Kendall and I were saying that." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgame." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgame." "You got really good bottom" "You got really good bottom lashes." "lashes." "KHLOE:" "I havereallygood" "KHLOE:" "I havereallygood lashes." "lashes." "CAITLYN:" "Youhave" "CAITLYN:" "Youhave really good... really good..." "Well, all the "K" girls do." "Well, all the "K" girls do." "KHLOE:" "That'stheArmenian." "KHLOE:" "That'stheArmenian." "CAITLYN:" "That'swhyIwent" "CAITLYN:" "That'swhyIwent  with a "C."" "with a "C." KHLOE:" "MyGod." "KHLOE:" "MyGod." "(laughs)" "(laughs) What were you doing today?" "What were you doing today?" "CAITLYN:" "Khloe,youjust" "CAITLYN:" "Khloe,youjust can't even imagine the last can't even imagine the last couple of months, the stuff that couple of months, the stuff that I've learned." "I've learned." "So much of it is so scary." "So much of it is so scary." "I've met some incredible people." "I've met some incredible people." "KHLOE:" "That'sawesome." "KHLOE:" "That'sawesome." "CAITLYN:" "Incredible" "CAITLYN:" "Incredible organizations, all want to help." "organizations, all want to help." "I spent some time with" "I spent some time with Chaz Bono and a whole group." "Chaz Bono and a whole group." "But there's such big problems." "But there's such big problems." "The homelessness, people on the" "The homelessness, people on the streets." "streets." "KHLOE:" "Aw." "KHLOE:" "Aw." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "That'snotgood." "KHLOE:" "That'snotgood." "CAITLYN:" "No,no ,but,um," "CAITLYN:" "No,no ,but,um,  anyway, enough of that." "anyway, enough of that." "We really haven't had a chance" "We really haven't had a chance to sit down and talk after you to sit down and talk after you sent me those really kind of... sent me those really kind of..." "tough texts." "tough texts." "KHLOE:" "Kimsaidthatyousaid" "KHLOE:" "Kimsaidthatyousaid they were tough, and Kim read they were tough, and Kim read all of them, and then she was all of them, and then she was like, "These really weren't that" "like, "These really weren't that tough."" "tough." I just said, look, we don't care" "I just said, look, we don't care what you're doing, like, what you're doing, like, meaning, like, we don't care if meaning, like, we don't care if you want to transition." "you want to transition." "We want to support you and be" "We want to support you and be there for you." "there for you." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "KHLOE:" "Butwe don'tthink" "KHLOE:" "Butwe don'tthink that that entails you speaking that that entails you speaking negatively about my mom." "negatively about my mom." "In our opinion, you don't need" "In our opinion, you don't need to even mention our mom." "to even mention our mom." "Let's focus on the actual cause" "Let's focus on the actual cause here, and let's not drag my mom here, and let's not drag my mom through the mud." "through the mud." "I would think you would come" "I would think you would come from a place of more compassion, from a place of more compassion, especially when you have two especially when you have two young daughters who are greatly young daughters who are greatly affected by it." "affected by it." "And that was really my premise" "And that was really my premise for the text messages, and then for the text messages, and then when you try to tell me that I when you try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking" "don't know what I'm talking about... about..." "CAITLYN:" "Becauseyoudon 't" "CAITLYN:" "Becauseyoudon 't know, you don't know." "know, you don't know." "To be very honest with you, if" "To be very honest with you, if she would've been okay with she would've been okay with me... me..." "KHLOE:" "Okaywithyou" "KHLOE:" "Okaywithyou  transitioning and still being transitioning and still being married to her?" "married to her?" "CAITLYN:" "Notso mucheven" "CAITLYN:" "Notso mucheven transitioning, just living with transitioning, just living with it-- she would just have to be it-- she would just have to be okay." "okay." "Instead, I constantly had to" "Instead, I constantly had to hide myself." "hide myself." "I wasn't able to talk about it." "I wasn't able to talk about it." "Then, once I got out to Malibu" "Then, once I got out to Malibu and we went our separate and we went our separate directions, I said, "Here I am directions, I said, "Here I am at my age, and I got the same" "at my age, and I got the same problems I had when I was ten problems I had when I was ten years old." "years old." "What the hell am I gonna do" "What the hell am I gonna do with this?" "with this?" "Am I gonna continue to hide?" "Am I gonna continue to hide?" "I'm sick of that."" "CAITLYN:" "OnceIgot out to Malibu and we went our" "Malibu and we went our separate directions, I said, separate directions, I said, "Here I am at my age, and I got" ""Here I am at my age, and I got the same problems I had when I the same problems I had when I was ten years old." "was ten years old." "What the hell am I gonna do" "What the hell am I gonna do with this?" "with this?" "Am I gonna continue to hide?" "Am I gonna continue to hide?" "I'm sick of that."" "I'm sick of that." I didn't think it was, like, a" "I didn't think it was, like, a hatchet job on your mother." "hatchet job on your mother." "I have no... no issues with her." "I have no... no issues with her." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "Caitlyn kind of..." "Caitlyn kind of..." "She's allowed to have her own" "She's allowed to have her own feelings, but she's very feelings, but she's very one-sided, and I don't think one-sided, and I don't think that's fair." "that's fair." "There's so much I could say, but" "There's so much I could say, but it's a losing battle and I'm it's a losing battle and I'm just over it." "just over it." "At the end of the day, some" "At the end of the day, some things Cait will never things Cait will never understand, and I really just understand, and I really just don't want to fight anymore." "don't want to fight anymore." "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,wetook" "CAITLYN:" "Youknow,wetook  our break, our break, and she was happier, I think, and she was happier, I think, and I was happier." "and I was happier." "KHLOE:" "Yeah,Ithinkyouguys" "KHLOE:" "Yeah,Ithinkyouguys are both way happier." "are both way happier." "This is what should've happened." "This is what should've happened." "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,Iwishshe" "CAITLYN:" "Honestly,Iwishshe would call, you know?" "would call, you know?" "KHLOE:" "Well,tellher that." "KHLOE:" "Well,tellher that." "'Cause I think..." "'Cause I think..." "CAITLYN:" "I haveno problem." "CAITLYN:" "I haveno problem." "I'd have her out to the house." "I'd have her out to the house." "KHLOE:" "I thinkit 'svery" "KHLOE:" "I thinkit 'svery weird..." "I could not imagine weird..." "I could not imagine having a child with someone and having a child with someone and not having some sort of not having some sort of relationship with them." "relationship with them." "I wish my mom and Caitlyn would" "I wish my mom and Caitlyn would conversate a little bit, even conversate a little bit, even for the sake of Kendall and for the sake of Kendall and Kylie." "Kylie." "I would understand if she" "I would understand if she doesn't want to see her, 'cause doesn't want to see her, 'cause that might be uncomfortable for that might be uncomfortable for my mom, but I do think they" "my mom, but I do think they should be able to pick up the should be able to pick up the phone." "phone." "If something bad happens, my mom" "If something bad happens, my mom should check on her and vice should check on her and vice versa." "versa." "So I definitely want to say" "So I definitely want to say something to my mom." "something to my mom." "CAITLYN:" "I don'thaveany" "CAITLYN:" "I don'thaveany  issues with her." "issues with her." "I had 23 great years." "I had 23 great years." "KHLOE:" "Well,good." "KHLOE:" "Well,good." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "Okay." "Next question." "Next question." "When I said that the kids were a" "When I said that the kids were a distraction, you're taking it in distraction, you're taking it in the wrong context." "the wrong context." "Uh, a distraction from who I am," "Uh, a distraction from who I am, yes." "yes." "It doesn't mean they were just," "It doesn't mean they were just, I used them as a distraction." "I used them as a distraction." "It was a distraction from" "It was a distraction from my soul." "my soul." "KHLOE:" "I understandthat." "KHLOE:" "I understandthat." "They were more offended by that." "They were more offended by that." "Kendall was." "Kendall was." "Kendall will never be" "Kendall will never be confrontational with you." "confrontational with you." "That's like-- she does not want" "That's like-- she does not want that at all." "that at all." "So instead she'll vent to me or" "So instead she'll vent to me or do this, and then I feel like I do this, and then I feel like I have to be the only person-- have to be the only person-- well, now Kim, thank God, is" "well, now Kim, thank God, is actually saying things because actually saying things because I don't like being the only" "I don't like being the only person that's, like, saying how person that's, like, saying how everybody else feels." "everybody else feels." "It makes me seem like this crazy" "It makes me seem like this crazy bitch, and I'm like, I'm only a bitch, and I'm like, I'm only a bitch." "bitch." "I don't want to be the crazy and" "I don't want to be the crazy and the bitch." "the bitch." "I want to just be one." "I want to just be one." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,andIsee" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,andIsee that." "that." "Just know that there's no..." "Just know that there's no..." "maliciousness in my heart and maliciousness in my heart and in my soul." "in my soul." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "KHLOE:" "Yeah." "There's a lot of" "There's a lot of miscommunication, I think, miscommunication, I think, 'cause our channels of 'cause our channels of communication have dwindled a communication have dwindled a lot." "lot." "CAITLYN:" "Somanypeoplein" "CAITLYN:" "Somanypeoplein this family. (chuckles) this family. (chuckles) KHLOE:" "Yeah,butyou could" "KHLOE:" "Yeah,butyou could do..." "Have you ever done group do..." "Have you ever done group texting?" "texting?" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "Group texting?" "Group texting?" "You think that's the way to go?" "You think that's the way to go?" "KHLOE:" "I mean,if youhavean" "KHLOE:" "I mean,if youhavean important dinner, you could just important dinner, you could just send a text one time, and you send a text one time, and you say, "Hey, dinner."" "say, "Hey, dinner." (Khloe beeps, whooshes)" "(Khloe beeps, whooshes) CAITLYN:" "Howdo Idothat ?" "CAITLYN:" "Howdo Idothat ?" "KHLOE:" "Letme showyou ." "KHLOE:" "Letme showyou ." "So, messages." "So, messages." "That little box right there." "That little box right there." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,holdon." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,holdon." "KHLOE:" "That'swhereyou text." "KHLOE:" "That'swhereyou text." "Your phone's right here." "Your phone's right here." "CAITLYN:" "Inmy Donatella" "CAITLYN:" "Inmy Donatella Versace." "Versace." "KHLOE:" "Goto thatbutton." "KHLOE:" "Goto thatbutton." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,button." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,button." "Wait a second, now what-- who" "Wait a second, now what-- who did...?" "did...?" "KHLOE:" "Wehavegrouptexts" "KHLOE:" "Wehavegrouptexts going on all the time." "going on all the time." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Iknow." "All right, I love you." "All right, I love you." "I want my relationship with" "I want my relationship with Khloe to stay very close." "Khloe to stay very close." "I want her to know that she can" "I want her to know that she can call me any time." "call me any time." "I want to know that it's okay if" "I want to know that it's okay if I call her." "I call her." "I realize that when you make a" "I realize that when you make a drastic change in life... drastic change in life..." "KHLOE:" "Loveyou." "KHLOE:" "Loveyou." "CAITLYN:...everythingtakes" "CAITLYN:...everythingtakes time." "time." "You're going to make mistakes," "You're going to make mistakes, but if you can keep the but if you can keep the communication open, you can communication open, you can pretty much get through pretty much get through anything." "anything." "Did we clear anything up?" "Did we clear anything up?" "KHLOE:" "Mm-hmm." "KHLOE:" "Mm-hmm." "We're good." "We're good." "CAITLYN:" "I am...(snapping)" "CAITLYN:" "I am...(snapping) out of here." "out of here." "KHLOE:" "Bye." "CANDIS:" "Youshouldcometo New York." "I'm performing there" "New York." "I'm performing there for Gay Pride." "for Gay Pride." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,guys." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,guys." "This is it." "To New York." "This is it." "To New York." "CANDIS:" "Toan amazingtrip." "CANDIS:" "Toan amazingtrip." "(laughter)" "(laughter) (cheering)" "(cheering) WOMAN:" "Ladiesandgentlemen," "WOMAN:" "Ladiesandgentlemen, the courageous, the stunning the courageous, the stunning Caitlyn Jenner." "Caitlyn Jenner." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh!" "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh!" "Who is in the house?" "Who is in the house?" "This is Zeem." "This is Zeem." "MATT:" "Goodto meetyou ." "MATT:" "Goodto meetyou ." "ZEEM:" "Hi." "I'mgonnatell my" "ZEEM:" "Hi." "I'mgonnatell my friends back home." "friends back home." "They gonna be like, "Whatever." "They gonna be like, "Whatever." "You lying."" "You lying." (laughter)" "(laughter) REFEREE:" "Maythebestteam" "REFEREE:" "Maythebestteam  win!" "win!" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tletitgo!" "CAITLYN:" "Don'tletitgo!" "CANDIS:" "You'rechangingyour" "CANDIS:" "You'rechangingyour life, you're changing your name." "life, you're changing your name." "Let's celebrate the new" "Let's celebrate the new beginning." "beginning." "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God," "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God, Boy George!" "Boy George!" "(cheering)" "(cheering) CAITLYN:" "Forthefirsttime ," "CAITLYN:" "Forthefirsttime , I feel like I fit in someplace," "I feel like I fit in someplace, because of these ladies over because of these ladies over here." "here." "(applause)" "(applause) KRIS:" "You'resensitiveand" "KRIS:" "You'resensitiveand  amazing to all these new people amazing to all these new people in your life." "in your life." "You're just not so sensitive and" "You're just not so sensitive and amazing to the family that you amazing to the family that you left behind." "left behind." "CAITLYN:" "I tryto do" "CAITLYN:" "I tryto do  everything I can to be nice, everything I can to be nice, reach out." "reach out." "You have to see it from my" "You have to see it from my perspective." "perspective." "Be an ally when it comes to" "Be an ally when it comes to dealing with the kids." "dealing with the kids." "KRIS:" "Whenyoufeellike you" "KRIS:" "Whenyoufeellike you gave your whole life to gave your whole life to somebody, and the sum of it all somebody, and the sum of it all was, "You were a distraction..."" "was, "You were a distraction..." CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo there." "CAITLYN:" "Don'tgo there." "This is not the issue." "This is not the issue." "I was defending myself." "I was defending myself." "It was a distraction from the" "It was a distraction from the sense of who I was." "sense of who I was." "That doesn't mean I didn't love" "That doesn't mean I didn't love you or the kids." "you or the kids." "Captioningsponsoredby" "Captioningsponsoredby  BUNIM-MURRAYPRODUCTIONS" "BUNIM-MURRAYPRODUCTIONS Captioned by" "Captioned by MediaAccessGroupatWGBH" "MediaAccessGroupatWGBH  access.wgbh.org"