"1** 2**" "3** 4**" "I'm trying to tell myself to suck it up." "Denise is a machine." "If you do vote me out tonight,you will give a million dollars to one of these people." "They cannot beat denise." "Congratulations denise." "Anything that will get me to the end of the game,will be me." "Denise wins individual immunity." "I am one stubborn,determined woman." "Survivor Season 25 Episode 15" "We are live in cbs television city,los angeles,where denise, with tears in your eyes,just won a million dollars." " Congratulations." " Thank you so i know from hearing from people on the street during the season that a lot of fans saw you as an underdog." "Did you truly believe you were an underdog?" "Absolutely." "Yes. 100%." "Just going from tribe to tribe." "I just que knew i had to keep fighting and fighting and fighting and reconfiguring what i was going to do." " Absolutely -- going to every tribal council." "Every tribal council." "Was there a moment when you thought,truly thought it's over?" "Oh,the final four." "That's when i-- that's when i really thought i am in hot water." "So your biggest move had to be cutting malcolm." "Yeah,100%." "I had to cut him." "Malcolm,you had a chance." "You had the opportunity." "If nothing else,why not just lie to denise?" "Yeah,i took a page out of penner's ways to get voted out playbook." "But i thought i had a lock with skupin and lisa." "They-- i thought that they had stuck to their word with me before, and i thought if i got them to shake at it,i was good and at the last tribal council when she said what she said i knew i was toast." "If malcolm goes to the end,even with denise,does he win?" "If you're in the jury and you give him your vote,raise your hand." "Two?" "Really?" "So if malcolm is in the final with denise,does denise still win?" "All right." "Well,pretty convincing." "So either way,denise,it looks like you were in pretty good shape." "So you're a sex therapist in your normal life." "Yes." "So what do your clients think about this when you're out there and you know you're so vulnerable and you're wearing a bikini." "This has been one of the unexpected gifts of playing this game is i've had clients that have just been fantastic about it, and we've had all of these really authentic conversations about religion and body image and just trying to do something different" "and digging deep and getting up off their couch." "I ask because you were concerned how you would be perceived with the clen teleyou worked so closely with?" "Fleet complooetly." "They see me in one light in my office and you're completely exposed out of here and it's completely out of your control." "A big issue in the game of "survivor" is trust,aid." "In the last few days-- lisa,you betrayed malcolm,too." "He takes you to the reward while you're conceiving how to blindside him." "Well,it was also very streamic of him to take me to the reward." "I don't think that was just totally out of the goodness of his heart." "It was a smart move to take me to the reward." "Penner,you had a chance at this." "Hutwo big chances." "One with jeff kent,which we'll talk about." "You have an offer fair final four." "What was happening in your head?" "Because a lot of this stuff i don't know, so as i'm watching it back,you're over there so smug going,"i don't know." "I'll get back to you." "" with the,i didn't feel smug at all." "What i felt was i had played a very specific running, scrambling game up to that point staying alive and the reason lisa trusted me was i had never lied to her and didn't realize now was the time to start." "I mean i knew at some point i i was going to have to do that but i certainly didn't realize theind game was upon me." "I had played an open game with her and didn't start lying." "What was the deal with you and jeff kent?" "Because when you guys ended up together,i thought if these two get together, this could be fan fantastic." "Ask jeff." "I totally agree." "When i shook his hand,twice with five fingers, i thought that we had a gentleman's agreement to go to the five." "And i was shocked-- i mean,not disappointed,but surprised-- that he was gunning for me from the get-go." "So,jeff,it did seem as though more than anything,you want the penner out before you." "But i never wrote your name down one time,buddy." "And the thing is i was trying to deflect all the attention off of me and put it on somebody else, and i was dumping it all on penner." "I approached penner many times and said,"we can do this,"" "and i gave him the idea they were gunning for him so he needed to use his idol but denise was the problem." "We couldn't get denise to go and i couldn't side with penner and cartir was my other boy and i had to go with carter." "So you were shocked when penner voted the way he did that night at tribal." "We still don't know why he vote the way he did." "We kind of had a run-in afterwards why whatdid you sploa that vote for?" "Because if not,we would still be on the island together." "Skupin,surprised you didn't get more vote?" "I think you go into the final three,knowing your game and knowing how hard you fought and you expect to get all of them." "You know what you personally did." "I'm not saying what she did in her confessionals." "I'm not saying what she did." "I know what i did." "I claude and fought the whole game." "As you're sitting there at the last tribal council and here tonight you fully expect that you deserve to win." "I think you're going can the minded set,you're confident, you play hard,and i thought i played harder than anybody else." "Ho how about you,lisa?" "Did you at final tribal council think you deserved it?" "I'm pretty realistic about the game i played." "And,you know,the truth is,as much as i would have loved to have won the million dollars, or even 600,000" "i really did grow and learn so much." "It was painful,but it was worth every moment of it,and,you know,silly thing,corny as it is," ""the facts of life "theme song,you take the good,you take the bad,you take them both, and learning how to accept both side of me has been worth a million dollars." "Jeff,lisa references your $600,000 comment,which-- it will be less now." "You didn't catch that.He said it's going to be even less now." "So your exit speech is probably the best there's ever been." "Can you compare-- you know,you basically said,look, i made 60-some million dollars in baseball and i want to win this stupid game." "What is it about this game thawptd to win?" "In this game,it draws you back in." "When you get kicked off,you know you're getting kicked off,and you're watching it back there." "It draws you back in." "Your competitive nature gets kicked up another notch." " **" " What is it?" "You could do a lot of things.Upper in the world series." "The anticipation-- baseball is a game of anticipation." "And i think that's what this game is about." "You sit at tribal council,not knowing if you're going home and that anticipation increases your adrenaline drive true the roof and that draws you in to compete." "I have to say about you,all the guys on your crew learned a lesson from you and it's an ironic one." "It's about sportsmanship,you came in with this big baggage from the major leagues, and every time we had a challenge that jeff kent lost,i expected to hear complaining, and every time he said,"hey,they got us,we'll try to get them next time." "" i did learn that from you." "Skupin,michael,roll the b roll of what some people called sort of mr.Magoing to out there." " **" " That was you!" "It was me,okay,i admit it." "Take a look at this skupin,because all of a sudden,the-- you falling in the fire back in "survivor: australia yet qts even though it was incredibly trag and i can scary made a little more sense." "You just weren't out there long enough to have more accidents." "Look at this stuff." "So is that-- ***" "***" "**" "*" "***** i mean,'cause bee played this game for it's probably your face." "I didn't even know that it happened during that time." "Small little injuries,little nicks here and there." "The adrenaline kicks in,as bad as your foot hurts limping to the challenge, once you get there,it's game on,and you don't feel it." "You mentioned the mask." "What happened in one challenge is we gave michael skupin this mask." "I asked the guys in the art department to keep it for me after we were done." "It literal literally blew out." "Everything blew out and shattered." "Take a look at that." "That's what's left of it,is just little shards of hard plastic or glass." "Anyway,skupin,i want to give this to you as a reminder of your time on this show." "all right,we have a lot more survivors to check in with." "We're going to talk with lisa,we're going to talk with malcolm." "We're gog talk with abi." "First,it is hard to believe this is our 25th season,and after so many years on the air," ""survivor "is still going strong,and there is one reason why." "It is you,our audience." "And we'd like to take a moment to say thank you for 12 years and 25 seasons," "** you have invited "survivor" into your homes." "You followed us across 40 continents,18 countries and invested in over 350 tribal councils." "You're the most loyal and amazing fans a show could ever hope for, and thanks to you,"survivor" is still the most watched show wednesdays at 8:00." "we thank you." "**" "I play the character of blai warn or "the facts of life." "" trying to learn to open up and this is not the place to experiment with that my whole life has been based on public perception." "You know,i've lived my life on the same since i was seven years old." "I don't think i've ever needed any person more in my life." "Lisa not giving pup." "I do believe i'm taking control of my own destiny and the rest of my life." "Welcome back to the "survivor: philippines"" "live reunion show where denise has won a million dollars." "We're talking with lisa welchle now." "We just saw there,"the facts of life" people grew up with you on tv." "You grew up on tv." "And you come to this game in which you will be stripped bare,very visual, nowhere to hide,nobody even necessarily likes you." "Were you concerned about this image you had to the public?" "You know,i really didn't think about that." "I was so excited to be a part of the game and in the game and i'm really not like blair." "I actually prefer not wearing makeup and not being in high heels." "So that felt very comfortable and very me." "And so it just really-- i wasn't aware,self conscious about my experience." "It was much more about my opening up what was inside and the conflict that was going on in there." "So the christianity which was such a big part, is that a concern then that you're going to let people in to see what you believe and how you believe and how you pray and what you draw on?" "Yeah." "Absolutely." "Because i watched the show so many times i know that-- i planned in my heart,i'm not going to pray out there because people are just going to roll their eyes." "It's because it doesn't translate well." "Even praying because it sounds like you think god cares who wins "survivor." "" i don't think god cares who wins "survivor,"" "has a favorite football team, has a favorite country,a favorite religion." "I think he cares about us each individually, and that he cares that denise within won a million dollars?" "Yes." "But that's because he cared about denise." "Does he care i didn't win?" "Yes,because he cares about me." "And that's hard to translate and so i didn't even want to try." "So then,the dilemma for you that we watched at home was,was this game, this devilish game,which is pitted against your christianity,really." "Yeah,and that was my journey was having spent a lifetime,for different reasons-- as a child wanting to be good to win my parents approval." "And being a christian and wanting god to be glad that he came for me." "And then being on the show wanting to reflect god's love." "**" "But at the same time,nothing about "survivor" is the kind of thing that reflects the character of god." "And so it was a total internal conflict until i realized,wait a minute." "You know what?" "I'm all of those things." "And it's okay to be human and it's okay to be sometime sometimessed an good and times bad even in the context of the game,even not in the context of the game." "That's actually what christianity is all about,is acceptance." "so with all of this going on inside your head,what was the appeal of "survivor"" "in the first place because we didn't come looking for you." "You nownd us." "The first appeal was just this love of this game." "And then i had read a book called "the barbarian way"" "and it was about living from your gut,not just from your head." "So i just thought this was awesome." "I contacted the author,irwin mcmahonus,i said i want to pick your brain." "I had lunch." "I said how can i do it?" "I don't know how to get out of my head." "I want to live for my sinner." "He said put yourself in situations where you're not in control and, man,no more word were truer." "I got out of control,but i also gout on the of my head,into my gut, and was able to see all that's inside there is acceptable to god, it's acceptable to me,and itt doesn't matter if it's acceptable to anybody else" "well,one of the most emotional moments of the season came during the loved one visit when lisa's brother,justice,showed up." "Let's take a look." "Lisa,here's your brother justice." "Sister!" "Sister!" "***" "Gotta say,lisa." "I've seen some pretty powerful moments involving loved ones." "This might be at the top." "so even i got teary,and i'm pretty good at holding back the tears during a loved ones visit." "You were so vulnerable is what it was for me." "You really fell into his arms." "What did he whisper or say to you on the island." "Because you were very different after your brother left." "He said to me as soon as we hit the challenge,he said,"trust your gut." "And remember it's a game." "" and i said what if those two things are diametrically opposed?" "And-- because i couldn't-- convince him that my heart loved these people and didn't want to hurt them." "My head wanted to knock them out and win this million dollars!" "Michael,put up the split screen." "I thought this was fascinating." "We have a shot-- okay,the shot on the left is lisa about six hours before justice got there." "And the shot on the right is lisa six hours after he left." "pretty powerful." "I gotta talk about the rain." "It rained for 21 straight days." "And russell,when you played the first time,in samoa,it rained for about the same amount of days." "Can you describe what that is like every single day to be cold and wet and miserable?" "Oh,it's just miserable." "I mean,you can't-- there's no inside." "There is no dry." "I mean,everything is just wet." "And so you're just sitting there shaking,wet." "You're thinking at some point,a towel is just going to coined of magically appear." "You're going to get dry." " You're going to feel better and -- clear it up." "There's never any relief from us." "No,there's nothing." "You're just out there." "There is nod in." "You're just cold,wet,and miserable." "And dana,one of the most tender moments and tough moments of any season,honestly, was you,being evacuated because everybody knew you didn't want to leave, and everybody knew you couldn't stay." "Do you-- can you remember any of that?" "Or were you foggy?" "Pretty foggy." "I was a little delusional at the time." "And i mean i remember you coming out there." "I don't remember it being a choice." "I remember saying i needed help and then you showed up." "That was awesome." " Thank you." " You're welcome." "So what's the takeaway then." "You were in this game,and suddenly you're gone?" "I mean,we can't all win the million dollars,un." "It's the hard knocks." "Maybe i'll get to play again." "I mean,i never went to tribal council." "I never had a vote against me." "Who's to say how well i would have done." "There's a case to be made for a return from dana." "Maybe." "Still to come,we're going to talk with tw of our most memorable players, a hero and dare i say,a villain." "Malcolm and abi." "And then sprint is going to give away a $100,000 pride." "But first,one of the things that makes "survivor" unlike any other show on television is the opportunity for truly once-in-a-lifetime experiences, like swimming in the woagz a whale shark." "Take a look." "You're actually going to put me in the water with the world's biggest fish?" "My hands start shaking." "It's so big,it never ends." "You think at any second it could just eat you." "To see something that huge was awe-inspiring." "*" "Malcolm is on a tear!" "I feel like i got my swag back." "Malcolm wins immunity." "Malcolm wins reward." "Malcolm wins immunity." "It really made me reconsider what i have been doing with my life the past year and it was a life-shaping experience for me." "Welcome back "survivor: philippines,"" "and every reunion show in los angeles,malcolm, you've broken a lot of heart by not winning." "There were a lot of little girls,especially, and i'm sure may be a couple of older ones really rooting for you." "When we came to that last challenge,it was sort of like ozzie a couple of seasons ago." "It seemed like if you could win it,you could dictate what happened in the end." "Did you have a sense when you walked up and saw what it was when you were in trouble?" "I knew i was toast." "I'm a huge fan of the show,and that's the final challenge from micronesia,and parvitiy won it." "And i have the least steady hand on the planet." "I don't know what it is." "I walked up and looked at it and i think i told my mom before if that was ever a challenge when i was on "survivor" i'm done." "I had sad,clown tear moments when i walked up,i'm toast." "Really?" "And even with the second chance it was over." "Give me 100 chances." "So what is the reaction been?" "Because it's-- you're clearly one of the more popular people to ever play." "And what's unique about a show like "survivor," you're not playing a character." "This isn't "c.S.I.."" "this is malcolm." "It's really you." "So when people come up and they like you or don't like you,it's very personal." "So what's it like to suddenly get all this adoration." "It's nice." "It's been really overwhelming." "When you go out on a show and the way you think you're going to play the game you don't know how you will be perceived." "How people will react to you,what you're going to end up looking like." "It's cool to know that's me." "Everything i said was 100% sincere,and people are accepting it and like me." "Where does it come from,this ability-- once again,like ozzy-- to just climb trees and swim and catch fish?" "Where is that?" "Most people hoco who come on "survivor" can't do that?" "I worked overseas before but i don't have a whole lot of experience with this stuff." "It's confidence and a little swal swagger,"oh,i'm going to do that today." "" believe i'm going to go out for a swim in the ocean and pet a whale shark." "I was told not to touch it-- it didn't happen." "Swagger or self-confidence is really the coolest trade trait anybody can have." "Give me the moment next the whale shark." "We never had anything like that." "It's a massive moment." "It's about 10 time longer than us,and right before i touch it,skupin gets hud-butted." "Of course." "I'm lawchg out of my snorkel as i'm diving next to this thing." "And they said don't touch it." "And,notice,and i reached out." "And it really was like,all the strategy aside,aim the relationship-- i'm not going to say that but it was absolutely the one moment i'll talk about forever from this show." "So the take-away on this show,frustration?" "There's definitely that." "I mean,there's other stuff you take away from it." "But i'm a competitive guy,a lot like jeff is." "We talked about,i want to win." "The only reason im there is i want to win." "I get voted out on day 38,i was pissed off." "Sincerely,and this day i'm still mad about it." "I want to win." " You-- would you play again?" "I would consider playing again,yeah." "Last question,when you leave here tonight, and you're on the streets,are you single or available?" " Single." " ***" "I don't know if you can call "survivor" a great seen if you don't have at least one great villain." "Fortunately,this season,we had abi." "I came here not to be feeling bad for other people." "I came here to wayne million dollars." "I don't want to talk to you." "I have nothing to talk to you." "She's like this brazilian bomb that is about to ploa up." "What are you doing!" "And you me you're dead." "It's really hard not to laugh at some of the things she said." "I'm sorry if i was a bit too honest with some of you." "Abi has all the social grace of a mack trouble." "Play like a man.Don't play like a bitch." "Wow,i never thought i was an unlikable person." "Stupid." "Abi,you said in that piece i never knew or ever been told i'm not likable so this really was the absolute first time anybody has ever said things like that to you." "Yeah." "And when you watch the show now,do you take anything away from it different?" "Oh,a hiewrnlg learning experience." "I have a lot of growing to do,yeah." "How so?" "Did you watch the show?" "Yes." "And i was one of the people who kept throwing out it might be cultural, and every time i said,that somebody would say to me,"are you nuts?" "" what i did you learn?" "What did you see in yourself that you want to change?" "Very abrasive,very passive aggressive,and i wear my emotion on my sleeve." "I need to change that,calm down a little bit." "Take a chill pill." "I have to show,i have to indulge with one little clip of you and skupin at tribal council." "It happened late in the season." "Michael,you can roll that." " You know,jeff,it's so many things because-- because you're an idiot." "That's why you're going to lose a million dollars." " Anyway,jeff-- you're a moron." "What is is the reaction." "You are a moron." " Unfortunately -- hold on,abi called you an idiot once and a moron twice." "Cultural." "In her culture that's a compliment." "R.C.,you and abeerk thanks to pete,doing a devious plan, really ended up adversaries in this,in some ways was abi your downfall?" "Oh,100%." "She wouldn't listen to any reason whatsoever." "And we're just two different people and we were playing a game, and quite sho honestly,she should have faked it and she didn't and that's why we're both losers sitting on this side instead of potentially sitting over there." "Pete,i have to say,i think abi might have been your downfall, as long as i loved the chaos you were stirring." "I mean,it was funny,watching them go at it and have no idea-- i'm glad pete has long arms to pat himself on the back because it was the worst move imaginable." "He said the only one congratulating himself on this one." "Some people are still a little bitter." "And with that,we'll take a break!" "Up next,one of these players right here is going to win $100,000 courtesy of sprint." "And taking us to the break our "survivor" composer,david vannaed cor,and rus landau." "**" "Since wednesday viewers have been texting and voting on line for the sprint player of the season." "It was the close oast we've ever had." "At one point it was within 200 actual votes,and at the very end, the difference that separated the winner from the runner up was ." "7%.So" "less than a percent." "It was down to malcolm and lisa." "Conveniently sitting side by side." "Malcolm was ahead for a long time,then lisa pulled ahead,and then lisa stayed ahead." "Lisa is the sprint player of the game,winner of $100,000,courtesy of sprint." "Congratulations." "And once again malcolm is just this close." "All right,let's check in with some other people." "Angie,up in the back row,one of the youngest players this season." "You really came out there with your heart and you took a little bit of grief for some of your comment,but did you have a good time?" "I had a great time,the best experience of my life." " Really?" " Yes." "Fantastic." "Zane,you,i think,wanted to quit and engineered your way out of the game." " True or false." " False." "You just made a bad move." "Yes,very bad,very,very bad." "It's like when you car runs out of gas and you think i can make it to the gas station and bam!" "You're sitting on the side of the road.That's what happened." "Roxy tell me about your time." "All i remember about you is this incredible smile,but you were so upset." "Yeah,i was really upset,but,you know,i had an amazing experience, and to be able to just let loose and really show who i am, it beats something exwg they could do behind a pulpit." "So i was really proud of that." "And my little moment on the beach praying,speaking in tongues, i guess it can never really be forgotten." "Katie,are you mad at me?" "It seemed like i was always saying katie in the rear." "Katie behind." "Every single time." "I got it after the sixth time." "It's all good.I forgive you." "So being at the end of all of those challenges, is that your memory of the game or are you okay?" "Oh,i'm totally fine." "I had a blast with everyone on this back row." "We had a great time." "But i mean,absolutely,denise,you rock." "I'm so glad that for the short period of time we got to spend some time together so congratulations." " ***" " Thank you." "All right,right in the middle,artis." "I don't know you were you angry during the game or was that just my perception?" "That was entirely your perception." "Everybody realizes in my opening interview when they revealed the cast, i said if i am not smiling i look like i'm about to take your head off, but there is nothing wrong with me." "But you chose to make that an issue." "I even watched every single clip." "I was started to think i was the angry black man." "And,carter,okay,what happened?" "Because here's the thing." "When we put you on the show,you were this bubbly,talkative,really funny guy." "Did the wear and tear just hit you faster than other people?" "Definitely." "It-- the first part of the game was ridiculously hard for me." "It was raining." "We were hungry." "Things started going downhill.We lost diewns." "Second part of the game it was night and day difference." "It feels like two different parts the game." "You're on the island with coconuts and new people and sunshine." "So,yeah." "I was hungry as well." "And dawson,i have to say,no one has ever-- oh,my god." "All right!" "She got it in." "Fortunately, fortunately,she doesn't kiss anywhere near as good as my wife." "Okay,where-- where is "survivor" going next?" "And more important lie,who will be playing in our 26th season?" "Find out when we return,we'll be right back." "**" "How can it be our 26th season is just around the corner?" "Take a look!" "For years,survivors had some of the most dedicated fans in television history." "I'm a huge fan of "survivor." "" i'm so excited." "I love "survivor." "" never missed a show." "Tuning in every week to see their favorite players compete." "Now 10 ultimate "survivor" fans get a chance to prove they have what it takes when they square off against 10 of their favorite players from the past." "They'll be dropped in the carmowian islands a paradise beautiful and treachuous,filled with formidable wildlife with mother nature's true fury only one storm away." "Will their previous experience on "survivor" make them an unstoppable force or will the fans' enthusiasm and deep knowledge of the game give them the edge?" "It's the return of one of "survivor's" greatest pairings." "Survivor car as moan,fans versus favorite." "All right,now miebt most important part as we close out our 26th season with the check giveaway to denise,the check presentation." "There is your check." "Make sure it's made out to the right person." "It has the right amount of comas." " Looks good." " Looks good?" "So what is that-- that is a $1 million check-- despite what kent says,it's still a lot of dough." "It's life changing." " Absolutely life change gig - how so?" "In iowa,you can do a lot with this baby." "Denise,congratulations on a great season." "Thanks to all you guys for a really fabulous season of "survivor." "" all right,so if you're a fan of "survivor,"" "and you want to own a piece,you can bid on props from this season." "The web site is on the screen now." "This year,all the proceeds from the auction will be shared among several deserving charities." "Bidding starts immediately after the show." "And if you're sitting at home thinking,"man,i could do that," it's time to put up or shut up." "You put together a little tape." "Tell us who you are." "I look forward to snuffingly your torch." "We appreciate all of your loyal support." "We will see you back for the next "survivor,"" ""fans versus favorites." good night." "Survivor Season 25 Episode 15"