"Well, a month ago..." "I left on a trip with the girls," "I left on a trip with the girls, hoping to meet a bunch of trans hoping to meet a bunch of trans people, learn about their people, learn about their stories, and what happened is stories, and what happened is I... is, honestly, I-I wound up" "I... is, honestly, I-I wound up learning probably more about learning probably more about myself than anything." "myself than anything." "CHANDI:" "Wouldyouconsider" "CHANDI:" "Wouldyouconsider yourself to be lesbian?" "yourself to be lesbian?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "I am slowly coming into my" "I am slowly coming into my womanhood, but it's a work in womanhood, but it's a work in progress." "progress." "Old Bruce... did a lot of good" "Old Bruce... did a lot of good things in his life." "things in his life." "Not that that old person was a" "Not that that old person was a bad person, he just wasn't me." "bad person, he just wasn't me." "I thought I knew a lot more than" "I thought I knew a lot more than I actually turned out to know." "I actually turned out to know." "What did I say now?" "What did I say now?" "CANDIS:" "Thatif youlooklike" "CANDIS:" "Thatif youlooklike  a man in a dress it makes other a man in a dress it makes other people uncomfortable." "people uncomfortable." "JENNY:" "Peopleneedtoknow" "JENNY:" "Peopleneedtoknow  that you're fighting for that you're fighting for everybody, not just the pretty everybody, not just the pretty ones." "ones." "WOMAN:" "CaitlynJenner,you 're" "WOMAN:" "CaitlynJenner,you 're an insult to all trans people." "an insult to all trans people." "CAITLYN:" "I 'vemademistakes" "CAITLYN:" "I 'vemademistakes along the way, I've been along the way, I've been criticized for 'em." "criticized for 'em." "CHANDI:" "Howcanyou focuson" "CHANDI:" "Howcanyou focuson trying to get a job when you trying to get a job when you don't where you're gonna sleep don't where you're gonna sleep at night?" "at night?" "JENNY:" "It'snotaboutthe" "JENNY:" "It'snotaboutthe issues." "issues." "We're telling you, we were" "We're telling you, we were scared." "scared." "CAITLYN:" "Sometimesit got" "CAITLYN:" "Sometimesit got pretty heated." "pretty heated." "JENNY:" "You'retellingme" "JENNY:" "You'retellingme Republicans support rights for" "Republicans support rights for transgender people." "transgender people." "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative" "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative guy out there believes in guy out there believes in everybody's rights." "everybody's rights." "JENNY:" "Thatis alie ." "JENNY:" "Thatis alie ." "CAITLYN:" "WhenIrealizedI" "CAITLYN:" "WhenIrealizedI have to keep an open mind have to keep an open mind politically, socially, on trans politically, socially, on trans issues, on womanhood." "issues, on womanhood." "I have to learn from my girls," "I have to learn from my girls, learn from society." "learn from society." "I don't want to hurt anybody." "I don't want to hurt anybody." "CANDIS:" "Don'tyoureallymean" "CANDIS:" "Don'tyoureallymean  you don't want to get hurt you don't want to get hurt yourself?" "yourself?" "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "CAITLYN:" "Hey!" "CANDIS:" "Hey!" "CANDIS:" "Hey!" "CAITLYN:" "Butalsowehadso" "CAITLYN:" "Butalsowehadso much fun on this trip that I much fun on this trip that I never, ever expected." "never, ever expected." "You're voted in, I know." "You're voted in, I know." "KRIS:" "Aw,thanks,guys." "KRIS:" "Aw,thanks,guys." "(cheering)" "(cheering) CAITLYN:" "Itwasagrowing" "CAITLYN:" "Itwasagrowing process for me, and we all still process for me, and we all still loved each other when it was all loved each other when it was all over, and that was by far the" "over, and that was by far the most important thing." "most important thing." "ķ ķ" "(knocking) CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,my God!" "Jenny Boylan is in the house!" "Jenny Boylan is in the house!" "Look at you, you look so nice." "Look at you, you look so nice." "JENNY:" "Hi,sweetie." "JENNY:" "Hi,sweetie." "CAITLYN:" "Babydoll." "CAITLYN:" "Babydoll." "How are you doing?" "How are you doing?" "JENNY:" "Totallypsyched." "JENNY:" "Totallypsyched." "CAITLYN:" "I know,good." "CAITLYN:" "I know,good." "I am too, s..." "I am too, s..." "JENNY:" "So,what,soyouthink" "JENNY:" "So,what,soyouthink  I've just been goofing off these" "I've just been goofing off these last six months?" "last six months?" "CAITLYN:" "Today'sabig day ." "CAITLYN:" "Today'sabig day ." "I'm getting ready to start this" "I'm getting ready to start this next chapter." "next chapter." "It's so good to have you with" "It's so good to have you with us." "us." "KATE:" "Sogoodtoseeyou." "KATE:" "Sogoodtoseeyou." "CAITLYN:" "I wasso excited." "CAITLYN:" "I wasso excited." "Jenny." "Jenny." "JENNY:" "AuntieK." "JENNY:" "AuntieK.  KATE:" "MissJenny." "KATE:" "MissJenny." "JENNY:" "AuntieK." "JENNY:" "AuntieK.  Hi, darling." "Hi, darling." "CAITLYN:" "Allof thegirls" "CAITLYN:" "Allof thegirls have come to town because we have come to town because we came up with this idea:" "let's go came up with this idea:" "let's go on the road." "on the road." "CHANDI:" "I-Iwanttosaythank" "CHANDI:" "I-Iwanttosaythank  you, first of all." "you, first of all." "CAITLYN:" "Yougotit, baby," "CAITLYN:" "Yougotit, baby, you got it." "you got it." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness." "CAITLYN:" "I havethis" "CAITLYN:" "I havethis platform, but I still have to platform, but I still have to learn so much more to be a great learn so much more to be a great representative, uh, for our representative, uh, for our community." "community." "I really want to kind of get out" "I really want to kind of get out of my comfort zone and immerse of my comfort zone and immerse myself in trans issues, find out myself in trans issues, find out more about the people that are more about the people that are out there in these small towns" "out there in these small towns across America." "across America." "I think it's just going to be" "I think it's just going to be wonderful." "wonderful." "I'll learn a lot and I hope" "I'll learn a lot and I hope everybody else learns a lot." "everybody else learns a lot." "CANDIS:" "Hi,gorge." "CANDIS:" "Hi,gorge." "JENNY:" "Scarecrow,I'vemissed" "JENNY:" "Scarecrow,I'vemissed you most of all." "you most of all." "CAITLYN:" "Ournewestarrival" "CAITLYN:" "Ournewestarrival is here." "is here." "Ella, baby." "Ella, baby." "ELLA:" "Hi,howare you ?" "ELLA:" "Hi,howare you ?" "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "KATE:" "Hello." "KATE:" "Hello." "ELLA:" "Hey,howare you ?" "ELLA:" "Hey,howare you ?" "KATE:" "Mybabygirl." "KATE:" "Mybabygirl." "ELLA:" "I already..." "Ialready" "ELLA:" "I already..." "Ialready have you as "Auntie Kate" in my have you as "Auntie Kate" in my phone." "phone." "CAITLYN:" "RightafterI" "CAITLYN:" "RightafterI transitioned I had a friend from transitioned I had a friend from many years ago calls and says, many years ago calls and says, "You'll never guess-- you knew" ""You'll never guess-- you knew my son very little, well, now is my son very little, well, now is my daughter."" "my daughter." ELLA:" "MynameisElla" "ELLA:" "MynameisElla  Giselle." "Giselle." "I was 16 when I started" "I was 16 when I started transitioning and I'm 18 now." "transitioning and I'm 18 now." "Junior year, school ended, and" "Junior year, school ended, and then I just kind of explored then I just kind of explored myself that summer." "myself that summer." "And then senior year came and I" "And then senior year came and I came back myself, um, as Ella." "came back myself, um, as Ella." "KYLIE:" "Hey." "KYLIE:" "Hey." "CAITLYN:" "MylittleKylie." "CAITLYN:" "MylittleKylie." "Mm, baby doll." "Mm, baby doll." "JENNY:" "Whatapleasureto" "JENNY:" "Whatapleasureto meet you." "meet you." "KATE:" "Hi." "KATE:" "Hi." "CAITLYN:" "AndKateBornstein." "CAITLYN:" "AndKateBornstein." "KYLIE:" "Howareyou ?" "KYLIE:" "Howareyou ?" "KATE:" "Hello,baby,say your" "KATE:" "Hello,baby,say your name again." "name again." "KYLIE:" "Kylie." "KYLIE:" "Kylie." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis my other" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis my other daughter, everybody, Kendall." "daughter, everybody, Kendall." "KENDALL:" "I 'mKendall." "KENDALL:" "I 'mKendall." "How are you?" "How are you?" "CAITLYN:" "That'sElla." "CAITLYN:" "That'sElla." "My girls-- all my kids, but" "My girls-- all my kids, but especially Kendall and Kylie-- especially Kendall and Kylie-- have to deal with, you know, a have to deal with, you know, a father transitioning." "father transitioning." "It's a very, very difficult" "It's a very, very difficult process, with all this history process, with all this history you have in your life." "you have in your life." "Am I doing it right?" "Am I doing it right?" "You can never do this right." "You can never do this right." "Okay?" "Okay?" "The last thing in the world I" "The last thing in the world I want to do is hurt any one of want to do is hurt any one of you." "you." "CHANDI:" "CanIsay" "Iknow" "CHANDI:" "CanIsay" "Iknow this has not been the easiest this has not been the easiest thing for you guys to wrap your thing for you guys to wrap your heads around, but you guys are heads around, but you guys are being real troopers, real" "being real troopers, real troopers about it." "troopers about it." "And we appreciate all the love" "And we appreciate all the love you give to Cait and to our full you give to Cait and to our full community, because we need it." "community, because we need it." "We totally need it." "We totally need it." "KENDALL:" "Ofcourse." "KENDALL:" "Ofcourse." "KYLIE:" "Thankyou." "KYLIE:" "Thankyou." "KENDALL:" "Shegotpretty" "KENDALL:" "Shegotpretty lucky-- we're all very, like, lucky-- we're all very, like, open, accepting, like, open, accepting, like, non-judgmental people." "non-judgmental people." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "KENDALL:" "Like,ourwhole" "KENDALL:" "Like,ourwhole family." "family." "CAITLYN:" "I agree..." "CAITLYN:" "I agree..." "KENDALL:" "You'rewelcome." "KENDALL:" "You'rewelcome." "JENNY:" "It'sathingthat ..." "JENNY:" "It'sathingthat ..." "it's a thing that people need to it's a thing that people need to learn-- that transgender people learn-- that transgender people have families." "have families." "KATE:" "MissKylie,Kendall,I" "KATE:" "MissKylie,Kendall,I wanted to know when did you know wanted to know when did you know you were a girl?" "you were a girl?" "KENDALL:" "Um..." "KENDALL:" "Um..." "I mean, I've al..." "I feel like" "I mean, I've al..." "I feel like I've always known." "I've always known." "I feel like that's just, like," "I feel like that's just, like, a..." "like, I mean... a..." "like, I mean..." "KYLIE:" "Youknow,Ifeel like" "KYLIE:" "Youknow,Ifeel like  it was never a question, 'cause it was never a question, 'cause I had so many sisters and I" "I had so many sisters and I wanted to be exactly like that." "wanted to be exactly like that." "KENDALL:" "Yeah." "KENDALL:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "AndIthinkthat 's" "ELLA:" "AndIthinkthat 's something that people don't even something that people don't even realize that they have a gender." "realize that they have a gender." "Some people..." "Some people..." "CAITLYN:" "First..." "Yeah,like," "CAITLYN:" "First..." "Yeah,like, I would look at guys... and" "I would look at guys... and think, "Wouldn't it be nice to think, "Wouldn't it be nice to be just, like, a guy and not be just, like, a guy and not have this issue?"" "have this issue?" CANDIS:" "I rememberthinking" "CANDIS:" "I rememberthinking that too." "that too." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,youremember" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,youremember thinking that too?" "thinking that too?" "CANDIS:" "Totally." "CANDIS:" "Totally." "CAITLYN:" "Forpeopleinmy" "CAITLYN:" "Forpeopleinmy community, that question of community, that question of gender is in your head every gender is in your head every day, all the time." "day, all the time." "I want all my kids, but" "I want all my kids, but especially Kendall and Kylie, to especially Kendall and Kylie, to think about their gender." "think about their gender." "When did I know?" "When did I know?" "You know?" "You know?" "When was that?" "When was that?" "KYLIE:" "Well,youknowwhat 's" "KYLIE:" "Well,youknowwhat 's so interesting is I feel like a so interesting is I feel like a year before her transition... year before her transition..." "I feel like there was just a lot" "I feel like there was just a lot on her mind, and we didn't on her mind, and we didn't really connect." "really connect." "Like, I feel like my whole life," "Like, I feel like my whole life, it just wasn't genuine or... it just wasn't genuine or..." "Now I feel like we connect a lot" "Now I feel like we connect a lot more and we spend a lot more more and we spend a lot more time together." "time together." "So I actually almost like it" "So I actually almost like it more." "more." "The only thing-- when I post" "The only thing-- when I post photos of my dad or if I say photos of my dad or if I say "dad", people will be like, "You" ""dad", people will be like, "You mean mom?"" "mean mom?" And I just want to be like," "And I just want to be like, "Absolutely not", like..." ""Absolutely not", like..." "CHANDI:" "Absolutelynot." "CHANDI:" "Absolutelynot." "KYLIE:" "That..." "Like,thatis" "KYLIE:" "That..." "Like,thatis not my mom, you know?" "not my mom, you know?" "JENNY:" "I thinkthatCaitlyn" "JENNY:" "I thinkthatCaitlyn is cool with that, but for me, is cool with that, but for me, it made me a little crazy when it made me a little crazy when my kids would say "dad" in," "my kids would say "dad" in, like, a public place, and I'd be like, a public place, and I'd be like, "Oh..."" "like, "Oh..." But-but it's... but it's..." "In" "But-but it's... but it's..." "In the end, we let them pick a the end, we let them pick a name, and they came up with-with name, and they came up with-with Maddie, you know?" "Maddie, you know?" "KENDALL:" "Yeah,hernameinmy" "KENDALL:" "Yeah,hernameinmy  phone is "Mad"." "phone is "Mad"." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "KYLIE:" "Yeah." "KYLIE:" "Yeah." "KENDALL:' Causeshe-she'sa" "KENDALL:' Causeshe-she'sa little mad." "little mad." "Bye." "Bye." "CHANDI:" "Bye-bye." "CHANDI:" "Bye-bye." "KENDALL:" "Hopeto seeyou guys" "KENDALL:" "Hopeto seeyou guys soon." "soon." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgladyouhad a" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgladyouhad a chance to meet all the girls." "chance to meet all the girls." "Really one of the most" "Really one of the most interesting group of girls interesting group of girls you'll ever meet, you know?" "you'll ever meet, you know?" "Love you." "Love you." "KENDALL:" "Bye,loveyou ." "KENDALL:" "Bye,loveyou ." "CAITLYN:" "I 'llbecallingyou" "CAITLYN:" "I 'llbecallingyou  from the road." "from the road." "JENNY:" "Areyoupsyched?" "JENNY:" "Areyoupsyched?" "CHANDI:" "Yeah,what'sgoing" "CHANDI:" "Yeah,what'sgoing on?" "on?" "You-you just seem like..." "You-you just seem like..." "CANDIS:" "No,Imean,I... the" "CANDIS:" "No,Imean,I... the idea of it is so amazing." "idea of it is so amazing." "Um, I just... it's just, like," "Um, I just... it's just, like, overwhelming, you know?" "overwhelming, you know?" "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "I dohavealittle" "CANDIS:" "I dohavealittle apprehension because I know that apprehension because I know that it's not gonna all be, you know, it's not gonna all be, you know, rainbows and unicorns." "rainbows and unicorns." "We've seen the reaction, mostly" "We've seen the reaction, mostly within our community, at within our community, at Caitlyn." "Caitlyn." "Me and the girls have talked" "Me and the girls have talked about giving Caitlyn a reality about giving Caitlyn a reality check-- educating her about check-- educating her about certain things." "certain things." "So we're-we're gonna be hard on" "So we're-we're gonna be hard on her, we're gonna tell her the her, we're gonna tell her the truth, um, even though she might truth, um, even though she might not like it." "not like it." "JENNY:" "It'sup to us ,her" "JENNY:" "It'sup to us ,her friends, to push her... to push friends, to push her... to push her out of her comfort zone, to her out of her comfort zone, to encourage her to look within." "encourage her to look within." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Candis,where'sthe" "CAITLYN:" "Candis,where'sthe  map?" "map?" "You have the map." "You have the map." "CANDIS:" "I havethemap for" "CANDIS:" "I havethemap for  the trip." "the trip." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,putitright" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,putitright there." "there." "Um, we have, starting here to" "Um, we have, starting here to the Grand Canyon, which will be the Grand Canyon, which will be tomorrow." "tomorrow." "And then off to Santa Fe." "And then off to Santa Fe." "CHANDI:" "Cool." "CHANDI:" "Cool." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Wecouldgoto" "CANDIS:" "Wecouldgoto Des Moines." "Des Moines." "CAITLYN:" "Ugh,no ,we don't." "CAITLYN:" "Ugh,no ,we don't." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,we do ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,we do ." "The Democratic debates are going" "The Democratic debates are going to be there." "to be there." "CHANDI:" "Yay!" "(whoops)" "CHANDI:" "Yay!" "(whoops) CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah,right," "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,yeah,right, right, right." "right, right." "They're all Democrats, I'm the" "They're all Democrats, I'm the only conservative Republican on only conservative Republican on the bus, and we are in an the bus, and we are in an election year, so I think it's election year, so I think it's going to be kind of interesting," "going to be kind of interesting, from that standpoint." "from that standpoint." "KATE:" "Howmanymonthswe" "KATE:" "Howmanymonthswe gonna be on the road?" "gonna be on the road?" "CAITLYN:" "A longtime,yeah." "CAITLYN:" "A longtime,yeah." "All right, early morning" "All right, early morning tomorrow." "(birds chirping) JENNY:" "Careful." "JENNY:" "Careful." "(laughs)" "(laughs) CAITLYN:" "Itis 6: 30in the" "CAITLYN:" "Itis 6: 30in the morning-- unbelievably, we're on morning-- unbelievably, we're on time." "time." "I've got a lot of stuff." "I've got a lot of stuff." "We go pick up some more people," "We go pick up some more people, then we hop on the bus and we're then we hop on the bus and we're off to the Grand Canyon." "off to the Grand Canyon." "Should be fun." "ELLA:" "No,no ,no ,thisis not..." "This looks very bad, but not..." "This looks very bad, but my bags are only... these ones." "my bags are only... these ones." "So don't..." "So don't..." "CAITLYN:" "Doyouhaveyour" "CAITLYN:" "Doyouhaveyour  wallet?" "wallet?" "COURTNEY:" "Kipsy,shutthe" "COURTNEY:" "Kipsy,shutthe  door, and I was like, "Kipsy, door, and I was like, "Kipsy, I'm in here."" "I'm in here." ķ ķ ķ ķ CAITLYN:" "Theretheyare ." "CAITLYN:" "Theretheyare ." "KIP:" "Doubletrouble." "KIP:" "Doubletrouble." "JENNY:" "Allaboard." "Ready?" "JENNY:" "Allaboard." "Ready?" "(imitates train whistle)" "(imitates train whistle) CAITLYN:" "Oh,no !" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,no !" "JENNY:" "Here,blowinthere." "JENNY:" "Here,blowinthere." "Just go..." "Just go..." "(imitates train whistle)" "(imitates train whistle) (laughing)" "(laughing) You want to blow?" "You want to blow?" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Ican see it's" "CAITLYN:" "Well,Ican see it's gonna be tough." "gonna be tough." "KIP:" "I dohave..." "KIP:" "I dohave..." "JENNY:" "I didn'tmeanthis." "JENNY:" "I didn'tmeanthis." "(laughter)" "(laughter) KIP:" "Oh,my pawsand" "KIP:" "Oh,my pawsand  whiskers!" "whiskers!" "WOMAN:" "Ladiesandgentlemen," "WOMAN:" "Ladiesandgentlemen, please welcome Candis Cayne." "please welcome Candis Cayne." "CAITLYN:" "CandisCayne!" "Yay !" "CAITLYN:" "CandisCayne!" "Yay !" "Next" " Chandi..." "Next" " Chandi..." "Zackary..." "Zackary..." "KIP:" "Andthenweareoutof" "KIP:" "Andthenweareoutof  town!" "town!" "ZACKARY:" "I loveyou." "ZACKARY:" "I loveyou." "MAN:" "I loveyou,too ." "MAN:" "I loveyou,too ." "ZACKARY:" "I feelso fortunate" "ZACKARY:" "I feelso fortunate to have a boyfriend who loves me to have a boyfriend who loves me and whom I love and who treats and whom I love and who treats me amazing." "me amazing." "But I know that that's the" "But I know that that's the exception." "exception." "Men who love transwomen come" "Men who love transwomen come forward very rarely." "forward very rarely." "CAITLYN:" "Wehaveeverybody!" "CAITLYN:" "Wehaveeverybody!" "(cheering, whooping)" "(cheering, whooping) Let's go get the big bus, and" "Let's go get the big bus, and we're out of town!" "we're out of town!" "WOMAN:" "Tothebus ,tothe" "WOMAN:" "Tothebus ,tothe bus!" "bus!" "WOMAN2 :" "To...the...bus ." "WOMAN2 :" "To...the...bus ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo do it ." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo do it ." "ZACKARY:" "Wow!" "ZACKARY:" "Wow!" "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God,thereare" "WOMAN:" "Oh,my God,thereare sparkles." "sparkles." "WOMAN2 :" "It'stheglam!" "WOMAN2 :" "It'stheglam!" "CHANDI:" "Thebusistotally" "CHANDI:" "Thebusistotally amazing, and being in that type amazing, and being in that type of confinement, there's never of confinement, there's never gonna be anyplace for Cait to gonna be anyplace for Cait to run on this trip." "run on this trip." "Being around so many girls for" "Being around so many girls for that length of time is going to that length of time is going to make her or break her." "make her or break her." "(whooping, clapping)" "(whooping, clapping) WOMAN2 :" "GrandCanyon!" "WOMAN2 :" "GrandCanyon!" "ZACKARY:" "Youlookstunning," "ZACKARY:" "Youlookstunning, honey." "honey." "CHANDI:" "Asusual." "CHANDI:" "Asusual." "(shutter clicks)" "(shutter clicks) CAITLYN:" "Oh,Zackary,noway" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Zackary,noway you can put individual lashes on you can put individual lashes on in a bus." "in a bus." "ZACKARY:" "You'vegottobe" "ZACKARY:" "You'vegottobe able to paint yourself out of a able to paint yourself out of a box." "box." "It's a necessary survival" "It's a necessary survival strategy." "strategy." "(laughing)" "(laughing) (train whistle blows)" "(train whistle blows) WOMAN:" "We'reabouttohave" "WOMAN:" "We'reabouttohave  some serious girl talk." "some serious girl talk." "ZACKARY:" "Okay." "ZACKARY:" "Okay." "I can't imagine actually being" "I can't imagine actually being 18 years old and having, like, 18 years old and having, like, your first romance." "your first romance." "ELLA:" "Myboyfriendis" "ELLA:" "Myboyfriendis amazing." "amazing." "It's really nice to have" "It's really nice to have someone, like... understand." "someone, like... understand." "CANDIS:" "Everybodyhasa" "CANDIS:" "Everybodyhasa boyfriend but me." "boyfriend but me." "(laughing):" "I'm the old" "(laughing):" "I'm the old battle-ax that has no boyfriend." "battle-ax that has no boyfriend." "(fake snoring)" "(fake snoring) JENNY:" "We'reapproaching" "JENNY:" "We'reapproaching lunch." "lunch." "CAITLYN:" "I 'dliketo stop" "CAITLYN:" "I 'dliketo stop somewhere, like in the middle of somewhere, like in the middle of nowhere... nowhere..." "WOMAN:" "Yeah,let'sdoit." "WOMAN:" "Yeah,let'sdoit." "CAITLYN:...andtakeover" "CAITLYN:...andtakeover some restaurant." "some restaurant." "WOMAN:" "Let'stakeover!" "WOMAN:" "Let'stakeover!" "WOMAN2 :" "Yes!" "WOMAN2 :" "Yes!" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo do it !" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo do it !" "It's the River Cafe, guys." "It's the River Cafe, guys." "WOMAN:" "Juicy'sFamous." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness." "WOMAN:" "I 'llfollowyou." "(knocking)" "(knocking) CHANDI:" "Hey!" "CHANDI:" "Hey!" "CANDIS:" "Oh!" "We 'rein Needles." "CANDIS:" "Oh!" "We 'rein Needles." "WOMAN:" "Isn'tthatbetter?" "WOMAN:" "Isn'tthatbetter?" "You're in Needles." "You're in Needles." "(knocking)" "(knocking) (laughs)" "WOMAN:" "Whereis Chandi?" "WOMAN2 :" "Whereis Chandi?" "WOMAN2 :" "Whereis Chandi?" "JENNY:" "Didshenot get off" "JENNY:" "Didshenot get off  the bus?" "the bus?" "WOMAN:" "Oh,sorry,sorry..." "WOMAN:" "Oh,sorry,sorry..." "I trapped you in there for so" "I trapped you in there for so long." "long." "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness!" "CHANDI:" "Oh,my goodness!" "(laughs)" "(laughs) I'm off the bus!" "Yay!" "I'm off the bus!" "Yay!" "WOMAN:" "Theresheis!" "WOMAN:" "Theresheis!" "(happy shouts)" "(happy shouts) CHANDI:" "I couldnotget off" "CHANDI:" "I couldnotget off  the bus." "the bus." "I was freaking out." "I was freaking out." "CAITLYN:" "Youwerelockedon" "CAITLYN:" "Youwerelockedon the bus?" "the bus?" "CHANDI:" "Peopleweremoving" "CHANDI:" "Peopleweremoving around, and I'm like, "Hey...!"" "around, and I'm like, "Hey...!" Nobody could hear me." "Nobody could hear me." "Everybody was just waving." "Everybody was just waving." "So then I'm like..." "So then I'm like..." "COURTNEY:" "A soundproofbus!" "COURTNEY:" "A soundproofbus!" "CHANDI:" "Damn." "CHANDI:" "Damn." "CANDIS:" "Damn." "CAITLYN:" "Onthebus !" "Load 'em up!" "Load 'em up!" "WOMAN:" "Ontheroadagain." "WOMAN:" "Ontheroadagain." "WOMAN2 :" "Homesweethome." "WOMAN2 :" "Homesweethome." "Ah..." "Ah..." "CAITLYN:" "Wegotwine,beer ..." "CAITLYN:" "Wegotwine,beer ..." "CHANDI:" "That'sjustwhatthe" "CHANDI:" "That'sjustwhatthe doctor ordered." "doctor ordered." "CAITLYN:" "Lettheconversation" "CAITLYN:" "Lettheconversation begin." "begin." "We're rolling." "We're rolling." "(cheering, whooping, shouting)" "(cheering, whooping, shouting) JENNY:" "Thisbustripwas" "JENNY:" "Thisbustripwas Caitlyn's idea." "Caitlyn's idea." "I think part of her motivation" "I think part of her motivation was she thought it was gonna be was she thought it was gonna be fun." "fun." "And, of course, it is fun, but" "And, of course, it is fun, but it's about more than having fun." "it's about more than having fun." "She needs to realize she's not" "She needs to realize she's not gonna get a pass anymore, that gonna get a pass anymore, that some of the hardest work for her some of the hardest work for her lies ahead." "lies ahead." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh." "When she gets this close..." "When she gets this close..." "COURTNEY:" "Scootover." "COURTNEY:" "Scootover." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whenshe gets" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,whenshe gets this close, this is not good." "this close, this is not good." "COURTNEY:" "Areyougetting" "COURTNEY:" "Areyougetting nervous?" "nervous?" "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgettingnervous." "CAITLYN:" "I 'mgettingnervous." "JENNY:" "Cait,there's" "JENNY:" "Cait,there's something I wanted to ask you something I wanted to ask you about, and I don't quite know about, and I don't quite know how to get in here." "how to get in here." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "JENNY:" "I thinkyousaid..." "JENNY:" "I thinkyousaid..." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh." "CAITLYN:" "Uh-oh." "JENNY:...um,theotherday" "JENNY:...um,theotherday that you consider yourself that you consider yourself heterosexual." "heterosexual." "When you were a straight guy, so" "When you were a straight guy, so to speak... to speak..." "CAITLYN:" "Soto speak." "CAITLYN:" "Soto speak." "JENNY( laughs):" "Soto speak." "JENNY( laughs):" "Soto speak." "Um, did you ever appreciate what" "Um, did you ever appreciate what was beautiful about other men?" "was beautiful about other men?" "Was that on your radar?" "Was that on your radar?" "CAITLYN:" "Othermen?" "CAITLYN:" "Othermen?" "JENNY:" "Yeah." "Wasonthat your" "JENNY:" "Yeah." "Wasonthat your  radar?" "radar?" "Did you... could you see men?" "Did you... could you see men?" "I'm not asking you to make you" "I'm not asking you to make you uncomfortable." "uncomfortable." "Six months in, I remember" "Six months in, I remember feeling like I was seeing men feeling like I was seeing men for the first time." "for the first time." "Whing!" "You know, something in me" "Whing!" "You know, something in me suddenly was-was... thrilled by suddenly was-was... thrilled by men." "men." "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoueverbeen" "CAITLYN:" "Haveyoueverbeen  with a guy?" "with a guy?" "JENNY:" "No." "JENNY:" "No." "WOMAN:" "Haveyou?" "WOMAN:" "Haveyou?" "CAITLYN:" "Youdidn'thavethe" "CAITLYN:" "Youdidn'thavethe guts to-- oh, don't go like this guts to-- oh, don't go like this with me." "with me." "(laughter)" "(laughter) COURTNEY:" "Oh,well,I'm so" "COURTNEY:" "Oh,well,I'm so sorry!" "sorry!" "CAITLYN:" "Myquestion'sto" "CAITLYN:" "Myquestion'sto her." "her." "No, I never have." "No, I never have." "CHANDI:" "Ifyouweretodate" "CHANDI:" "Ifyouweretodate someone female, because that's someone female, because that's what you're attracted to, would what you're attracted to, would you consider yourself to be you consider yourself to be lesbian?" "lesbian?" "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "Boy, this gets heavy." "Boy, this gets heavy." "WOMAN:" "Itdoes." "WOMAN:" "Itdoes." "CAITLYN:" "Um,I'mtryingto" "CAITLYN:" "Um,I'mtryingto think all this out." "think all this out." "Talking about my sexuality's" "Talking about my sexuality's really difficult for me, and I really difficult for me, and I want to literally shrivel up and want to literally shrivel up and just kind of hide inside me." "just kind of hide inside me." "I really don't want to go there," "I really don't want to go there, but I am totally outnumbered in but I am totally outnumbered in this bus." "this bus." "To be honest with you, I" "To be honest with you, I can't... see myself dating, can't... see myself dating, like, women in the future." "like, women in the future." "WOMAN:" "Wow." "WOMAN:" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "Doyouknowyour way" "CAITLYN:" "Doyouknowyour way around men?" "around men?" "CANDIS:" "I doalittlebit." "CANDIS:" "I doalittlebit." "CAITLYN:" "Ifwe go on ,like,a" "CAITLYN:" "Ifwe go on ,like,a double date, what about our double date, what about our affair?" "affair?" "Like, would it be over?" "Like, would it be over?" "WOMAN:" "You'retellingme" "WOMAN:" "You'retellingme Republicans support rights for" "Republicans support rights for transgender people?" "transgender people?" "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative" "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative guy out there believes in guy out there believes in everybody's rights." "everybody's rights." "JENNY:" "Thatis nevergonna" "JENNY:" "Thatis nevergonna happen." "ķ" "CAITLYN:" "Tobe honestwith you, I can't... see myself you, I can't... see myself dating, like, women in the dating, like, women in the future." "future." "WOMAN:" "Wow." "WOMAN:" "Wow." "WOMAN2 :" "Wow." "WOMAN2 :" "Wow." "CAITLYN:" "I just..." "I'vebeen" "CAITLYN:" "I just..." "I'vebeen there, done that." "there, done that." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Gotthreevery" "CAITLYN:" "Gotthreevery strong ex-wives." "strong ex-wives." "I just don't see it." "I just don't see it." "JENNY:" "Sonowyou can havean" "JENNY:" "Sonowyou can havean ex-husband." "ex-husband." "CAITLYN:" "That'sright,now I" "CAITLYN:" "That'sright,now I can have an ex-husband." "can have an ex-husband." "JENNY:" "That'ssomethingto" "JENNY:" "That'ssomethingto look forward to." "look forward to." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "CAITLYN:" "Um..." "COURTNEY:" "Well,maybenow you" "COURTNEY:" "Well,maybenow you  are that, so you don't need to are that, so you don't need to be that or be around, you know?" "be that or be around, you know?" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "AndIdon't" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "AndIdon't see a woman being attracted to see a woman being attracted to me, so... you know... me, so... you know..." "COURTNEY:" "Oh,they're" "COURTNEY:" "Oh,they're attracted to you." "attracted to you." "WOMAN:" "Oh,you'dbe" "WOMAN:" "Oh,you'dbe surprised." "surprised." "JENNY:" "I begyourpardon." "JENNY:" "I begyourpardon." "WOMAN:" "Theremightbewomen" "WOMAN:" "Theremightbewomen in this room who are attracted in this room who are attracted to you, Caitlyn." "to you, Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,they'reinhere !" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,they'reinhere !" "(laughter)" "(laughter) COURTNEY:" "That'sbig." "COURTNEY:" "That'sbig." "You have never-- that's big," "You have never-- that's big, 'cause you've never said that 'cause you've never said that before." "before." "But this morning my boyfriend" "But this morning my boyfriend dropped me off and he, like, dropped me off and he, like, goes around and he's like, "Cait goes around and he's like, "Cait needs to roll her window up in" "needs to roll her window up in her car before she leaves, it's her car before she leaves, it's gonna rain," and she goes, "I'd gonna rain," and she goes, "I'd like that, I got to get me one" "like that, I got to get me one of those."" "of those." She said, "I got to get me one" "She said, "I got to get me one of those," and I was like... of those," and I was like..." "I think you were attracted to," "I think you were attracted to, like, that, like somebody who's like, that, like somebody who's just doing... taking care of it just doing... taking care of it and, like... and, like..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,right,yeah," "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,right,yeah, yeah, there is factors of that." "yeah, there is factors of that." "To be honest, if I was in a" "To be honest, if I was in a relationship with a guy, I would relationship with a guy, I would enjoy being treated like that-- enjoy being treated like that-- opening doors for you, uh, doing" "opening doors for you, uh, doing all what you would think the all what you would think the traditional stuff in a traditional stuff in a guy-and-a-girl relationship." "guy-and-a-girl relationship." "It'd have to be a very special" "It'd have to be a very special guy to be able to do that, but, guy to be able to do that, but, uh... yeah, I would be open to uh... yeah, I would be open to that." "that." "KATE:" "Whatticklesusisn't" "KATE:" "Whatticklesusisn't always the gender of our always the gender of our partner." "partner." "It might be, you know, like," "It might be, you know, like, sapiosexuals are all into people sapiosexuals are all into people who are smart, you know?" "who are smart, you know?" "There are people who are into" "There are people who are into power." "power." "Like, there's a powerful person," "Like, there's a powerful person, I don't care what gender they" "I don't care what gender they are." "are." "CAITLYN:" "Inmostcases,I've" "CAITLYN:" "Inmostcases,I've  been attracted to powerful been attracted to powerful girls." "girls." "KATE:" "Okay." "KATE:" "Okay." "CAITLYN:" "I 'vealwaysbeen" "CAITLYN:" "I 'vealwaysbeen with very strong women." "with very strong women." "If there was a female in my" "If there was a female in my life, it would be more like a life, it would be more like a friendship than it would be... a friendship than it would be... a real, you know, a serious" "real, you know, a serious relationship." "relationship." "You would never have these" "You would never have these conversations anywhere else but conversations anywhere else but in this bus." "in this bus." "Yeah." "With everybody being so" "Yeah." "With everybody being so open." "WOMAN:" "Arewe ,like,here?" "CHANDI:" "Weshouldbe." "CHANDI:" "Weshouldbe." "WOMAN:" "Allright,let 'sgo." "WOMAN:" "Allright,let 'sgo." "WOMAN2 :" "Isit coldout ?" "WOMAN2 :" "Isit coldout ?" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkIgot" "CAITLYN:" "I thinkIgot  everything." "everything." "(indistinct chatter)" "(indistinct chatter) CAITLYN:" "A littlechilly." "CAITLYN:" "A littlechilly." "CANDIS:" "Welcometo theGrand" "CANDIS:" "Welcometo theGrand Canyon." "Canyon." "Are you gonna stay in for the" "Are you gonna stay in for the night?" "night?" "CAITLYN:" "I am,uh ,notgoing" "CAITLYN:" "I am,uh ,notgoing anywhere." "anywhere." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CAITLYN:" "Thankyou." "CANDIS:" "Allright." "CANDIS:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "I willseeyou ina" "CAITLYN:" "I willseeyou ina  bit." "bit." "ZACKARY:" "Sweetdreams,Mama." "ZACKARY:" "Sweetdreams,Mama." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "Okay, I said what everybody" "Okay, I said what everybody wants to hear, that, yeah, I wants to hear, that, yeah, I would date a man." "would date a man." "I, you know..." "I, you know..." "And it's kind of nice just to" "And it's kind of nice just to get that kind of off your chest." "get that kind of off your chest." "Maybe now they might leave me" "Maybe now they might leave me alone for a while." "alone for a while." "(crickets chirping)" "(crickets chirping) CANDIS:" "Havethiswhole" "CANDIS:" "Havethiswhole piece, 'cause I'm done." "piece, 'cause I'm done." "So you need to eat that whole" "So you need to eat that whole gorgeous piece." "gorgeous piece." "Right there." "It's all..." "Right there." "It's all..." "No, take the piece, (bleep) damn" "No, take the piece, (bleep) damn it." "it." "Take the (bleep) piece." "Take the (bleep) piece." "Thank you." "Thank you." "JENNY:" "So,canIjust say?" "JENNY:" "So,canIjust say?" "That was kind of an amazing bus" "That was kind of an amazing bus ride, an amazing conversation we ride, an amazing conversation we had." "had." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,it wasfun ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah,it wasfun ." "JENNY:" "W-WasIthe onlyone" "JENNY:" "W-WasIthe onlyone who was caught a little off who was caught a little off guard by Caitlyn allowing us how guard by Caitlyn allowing us how she sees men in her future?" "she sees men in her future?" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,thatwas" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,thatwas  interesting." "interesting." "'Cause I always just assumed" "'Cause I always just assumed because she's been with women because she's been with women that that's who she would... that that's who she would..." "ELLA:" "I wasdefinitelykind" "ELLA:" "I wasdefinitelykind of like... of like..." "JENNY:" "Boy,it waslike..." "JENNY:" "Boy,it waslike..." "ELLA:" Wow."" "ELLA:" Wow." JENNY:" "Shedidnot wanttogo" "JENNY:" "Shedidnot wanttogo  there, and I felt bad pushing there, and I felt bad pushing her so hard." "her so hard." "I really don't like doing that" "I really don't like doing that with her." "with her." "On the other hand, I feel like" "On the other hand, I feel like this is the journey that we're this is the journey that we're on." "on." "ELLA:" "But,see,you got her" "ELLA:" "But,see,you got her  to say something she hasn't to say something she hasn't said." "said." "You know?" "I-I would have never" "You know?" "I-I would have never guessed." "guessed." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Maybeit soundslike" "JENNY:" "Maybeit soundslike I'm harshing on her, but Caitlyn" "I'm harshing on her, but Caitlyn often gives us that, you know, often gives us that, you know, "I don't want to go there." ""I don't want to go there." "Don't go there." "Don't go there." "I don't want to talk about it."" "I don't want to talk about it." And then she'll just kind of," "And then she'll just kind of, you know, flit away." "you know, flit away." "Well, she can't do that anymore," "Well, she can't do that anymore, and it's up to us, her friends, and it's up to us, her friends, to keep pushing to... find some to keep pushing to... find some answers to questions she may not" "answers to questions she may not have asked herself yet." "have asked herself yet." "CAITLYN:" "TheDemocratic" "CAITLYN:" "TheDemocratic National Debate." "National Debate." "CANDIS:" "Great." "Frontrow !" "CANDIS:" "Great." "Frontrow !" "(chuckles)" "(chuckles) CAITLYN:" "ThelastplaceI" "CAITLYN:" "ThelastplaceI want to be." "want to be." "CHANDI:" "I know." "Iknow." "CHANDI:" "I know." "Iknow." "CAITLYN:" "Andif we 're" "CAITLYN:" "Andif we 're unfortunate enough to get unfortunate enough to get Hillary as our next president," "Hillary as our next president, we need her on our side." "we need her on our side." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Althoughshewon 't" "CAITLYN:" "Althoughshewon 't be." "be." "JENNY:" "WhichRepublican" "JENNY:" "WhichRepublican would?" "would?" "CAITLYN:" "Shecouldcareless" "CAITLYN:" "Shecouldcareless  about women." "about women." "She cares about herself." "She cares about herself." "JENNY:" "I thinkwe 'reat a" "JENNY:" "I thinkwe 'reat a tipping point now where the tipping point now where the religious right and some religious right and some socialist conservatives are socialist conservatives are using fear of people like us to using fear of people like us to repeal and to prevent equality." "repeal and to prevent equality." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,please." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,please." "It's not..." "Don't go there." "It's not..." "Don't go there." "Just as much the Democrats." "Just as much the Democrats." "With me..." "With me..." "JENNY:" "Youneedtolook at" "JENNY:" "Youneedtolook at it, Cait." "it, Cait." "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot gonna" "CAITLYN:" "No,I'mnot gonna identify that." "identify that." "I'm not blaming it on" "I'm not blaming it on Republicans and conservatives." "CANDIS:" "Goodmorning!" "CAITLYN:" "Morning!" "CAITLYN:" "Morning!" "CANDIS:" "I 'msoexcitedabout" "CANDIS:" "I 'msoexcitedabout seeing the Grand Canyon." "seeing the Grand Canyon." "CAITLYN:" "Ofcourse." "Who" "CAITLYN:" "Ofcourse." "Who  wouldn't be excited?" "wouldn't be excited?" "CANDIS:" "I haveneverseenit." "CANDIS:" "I haveneverseenit." "CAITLYN:" "I am." "I'm..." "I've" "CAITLYN:" "I am." "I'm..." "I've never seen it either." "Yeah." "never seen it either." "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "I thinkit 'llbe" "CANDIS:" "I thinkit 'llbe  good." "good." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,no ,I'm" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,no ,I'm actually very excited." "actually very excited." "CANDIS:" "Wemadeithere ." "CANDIS:" "Wemadeithere ." "The bus ride was fun." "The bus ride was fun." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "AndI'msuperproud" "CANDIS:" "AndI'msuperproud of you for opening up and-and, of you for opening up and-and, like... like..." "CAITLYN:" "JesusChrist,Ihave" "CAITLYN:" "JesusChrist,Ihave  no choice." "no choice." "CANDIS:" "Well,justalittle" "CANDIS:" "Well,justalittle bit." "bit." "I know." "But you're with all" "I know." "But you're with all these girls, and everybody was these girls, and everybody was kind of like... (growls) kind of like... (growls) Which, you know, you handled it" "Which, you know, you handled it really well." "really well." "And now maybe you and I can go" "And now maybe you and I can go out on a double date." "out on a double date." "(laughs)" "(laughs) CAITLYN:" "Atthispoint,what" "CAITLYN:" "Atthispoint,what  the hell?" "the hell?" "CANDIS:" "Whynot?" "CANDIS:" "Whynot?" "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "D-Double" "CAITLYN:" "Whynot?" "D-Double date, yes." "date, yes." "Do you know your way around men?" "Do you know your way around men?" "CANDIS:" "I do,alittlebit." "CANDIS:" "I do,alittlebit." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,good." "CAITLYN:" "Okay,good." "But here's the big question." "But here's the big question." "CANDIS:" "What?" "CANDIS:" "What?" "CAITLYN:" "Ifwe go on ,like,a" "CAITLYN:" "Ifwe go on ,like,a double date with, like, guys... double date with, like, guys..." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:...whataboutour" "CAITLYN:...whataboutour  affair?" "affair?" "Like, would it be over?" "Like, would it be over?" "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean..." "CANDIS:" "Well,Imean..." "CAITLYN:" "I mean,thetabloids" "CAITLYN:" "I mean,thetabloids have been running wild with this have been running wild with this stuff." "stuff." "Everybody has been pushing right" "Everybody has been pushing right from the beginning Candis and I from the beginning Candis and I getting together." "getting together." "And I love her to death, but I" "And I love her to death, but I don't see the relationship, from don't see the relationship, from my standpoint, going any farther my standpoint, going any farther than what it's, you know... than what it's, you know..." "where it is right now." "where it is right now." "CANDIS:" "Totheend ofour" "CANDIS:" "Totheend ofour affair." "affair." "CAITLYN:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "No." "(Candis laughs)" "(Candis laughs) All girls have girlfriends," "All girls have girlfriends, right?" "right?" "You know, Candis will always be" "You know, Candis will always be in my life." "in my life." "ZACKARY:" "Goodmorning." "ZACKARY:" "Goodmorning." "Oh, my God, everybody looks so" "Oh, my God, everybody looks so fresh and so beautiful." "fresh and so beautiful." "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Isn'tthat" "CAITLYN:" "I know." "Isn'tthat great?" "great?" "We just got a-a court ruling." "We just got a-a court ruling." "Kind of on the bathroom and" "Kind of on the bathroom and changing and this and that." "changing and this and that." "This girl in Chicago identifies" "This girl in Chicago identifies as female, but they just had a as female, but they just had a big article in The New York big article in The New York Times today." "Times today." "JENNY:" Federaleducation" "JENNY:" Federaleducation authorities found that an authorities found that an Illinois school district" "Illinois school district violated antidiscrimination laws violated antidiscrimination laws when it did not allow a when it did not allow a transgender girl who identifies transgender girl who identifies as a girl and participates on a as a girl and participates on a girls' sports team to change and" "girls' sports team to change and shower in the girls' locker room shower in the girls' locker room without restrictions." "without restrictions." "Education officials say the" "Education officials say the decision is the first of its decision is the first of its kind on the rights of kind on the rights of transgender students, which are transgender students, which are emerging as a new cultural" "emerging as a new cultural battleground."" "battleground." CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "(cheering)" "(cheering) JENNY:" "Ah,lovethat." "JENNY:" "Ah,lovethat." "CAITLYN:" "That'sgood,it's" "CAITLYN:" "That'sgood,it's all good." "all good." "That's progress for us." "That's progress for us." "And it starts small and" "And it starts small and hopefully will spread." "hopefully will spread." "My goal is to make a difference" "My goal is to make a difference for the next generation." "for the next generation." "This is part of humanity, and I" "This is part of humanity, and I want it to be treated that way." "want it to be treated that way." "Did you guys get your orders in?" "Did you guys get your orders in?" "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Now,Ella,whatare" "CAITLYN:" "Now,Ella,whatare you doing about..." "Are you you doing about..." "Are you continuing on in school or what?" "continuing on in school or what?" "ELLA:" "I thinkif I'mgoingto" "ELLA:" "I thinkif I'mgoingto pursue school, I definitely need pursue school, I definitely need some time to just, like, you some time to just, like, you know, take off... know, take off..." "CAITLYN:" "Liveyourlife." "CAITLYN:" "Liveyourlife." "ELLA:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "I don'tknowwhatyour" "JENNY:" "I don'tknowwhatyour  experience with high school is experience with high school is like." "like." "I know for a lot of trans people" "I know for a lot of trans people school, including for me, school school, including for me, school was really horrible." "was really horrible." "ELLA:" "I wasveryluckyto" "ELLA:" "I wasveryluckyto have the school behind my back." "have the school behind my back." "In a little cute town right" "In a little cute town right outside L.A. that is kind of outside L.A. that is kind of familiar to difference in one familiar to difference in one way or another." "way or another." "I was definitely one of the" "I was definitely one of the fir..." "I think the first person fir..." "I think the first person to kind of bring this up." "to kind of bring this up." "CAITLYN:" "Woreadressforthe" "CAITLYN:" "Woreadressforthe first time to school at the first time to school at the prom." "prom." "ZACKARY:" "Attheprom." "ZACKARY:" "Attheprom." "I wore a dress to my prom" "I wore a dress to my prom I wasn't, like..." "I wasn't, like..." "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "CAITLYN:" "Yay!" "JENNY:" "Theexperiencespeople" "JENNY:" "Theexperiencespeople have in schools now are so all have in schools now are so all over the place." "over the place." "Was it St. Louis where-where a" "Was it St. Louis where-where a school board allowed a trans school board allowed a trans girl to play on the women's girl to play on the women's team, and the students team, and the students protested." "protested." "It's just so different," "It's just so different, depending on where you are." "depending on where you are." "And-and being able to live your" "And-and being able to live your life with dignity should not be life with dignity should not be a matter of geography." "a matter of geography." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "JENNY:" "Right?" "JENNY:" "Right?" "ELLA:" "It'ssad." "ELLA:" "It'ssad." "JENNY:" "Lawsaredifferent" "JENNY:" "Lawsaredifferent from state to state regarding from state to state regarding transgender people, and a lot of transgender people, and a lot of how you live in this world as a how you live in this world as a trans person is dependent upon" "trans person is dependent upon the community you find yourself the community you find yourself in." "in." "I think it's one reason we need" "I think it's one reason we need to pass nationwide laws to pass nationwide laws protecting our people." "protecting our people." "We've made tremendous progress" "We've made tremendous progress over the last five years, but over the last five years, but there are many, many people who there are many, many people who still just don't get it and still just don't get it and still wish we'd go away." "still wish we'd go away." "CANDIS:" "I thinkthatweneed" "CANDIS:" "I thinkthatweneed  to stop and maybe talk to to stop and maybe talk to Hillary." "Hillary." "CAITLYN:" "DemocraticNational" "CAITLYN:" "DemocraticNational Debate." "Debate." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CANDIS:" "Can'twait." "Front" "CANDIS:" "Can'twait." "Front row!" "row!" "(laughter)" "(laughter) CHANDI:" "We'reso excitedthat" "CHANDI:" "We'reso excitedthat Cait's even gonna go." "Cait's even gonna go." "CANDIS:" "I 'mexcitedforCait." "CANDIS:" "I 'mexcitedforCait." "CHANDI:" "Right." "Andsit and" "CHANDI:" "Right." "Andsit and  listen to the Democrats." "listen to the Democrats." "CAITLYN:" "It'sthelastplace" "CAITLYN:" "It'sthelastplace I want to be." "I want to be." "CHANDI:" "I know." "Iknow." "CHANDI:" "I know." "Iknow." "One of those things" "One of those things you're-you're being open to and you're-you're being open to and listening to... listening to..." "CAITLYN:" "Weneedbothsides." "CAITLYN:" "Weneedbothsides." "CHANDI:" "Right." "We needboth" "CHANDI:" "Right." "We needboth sides." "sides." "CAITLYN:" "Andif we 're" "CAITLYN:" "Andif we 're unfortunate enough to get unfortunate enough to get Hillary as our next president," "Hillary as our next president, we need her on our side." "we need her on our side." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Althoughshewon 't" "CAITLYN:" "Althoughshewon 't be." "be." "JENNY:" "WhichRepublican" "JENNY:" "WhichRepublican would?" "would?" "CAITLYN:" "Shecouldcareless" "CAITLYN:" "Shecouldcareless  about women." "about women." "She cares about herself." "She cares about herself." "JENNY:" "Which-whichRepublican" "JENNY:" "Which-whichRepublican candidate do you think would be candidate do you think would be most supportive of transgendered most supportive of transgendered people?" "people?" "CAITLYN:" "Um...allofthem ." "CAITLYN:" "Um...allofthem ." "(Chandi laughs)" "(Chandi laughs) Yeah." "They don't..." "Yeah." "They don't..." "The Republi... "Oh, I hate" "The Republi... "Oh, I hate trans people" or "I hate gays."" "trans people" or "I hate gays." And you don't... nothing of" "And you don't... nothing of that." "that." "They do more, "I want every..." "I" "They do more, "I want every..." "I want a thriving economy so every want a thriving economy so every trans person has a job."" "trans person has a job." CANDIS:( sighs)Caitlyn,what" "CANDIS:( sighs)Caitlyn,what am I gonna do?" "am I gonna do?" "I-I don't understand why she" "I-I don't understand why she thinks that." "thinks that." "That doesn't make sense to me." "That doesn't make sense to me." "Democrats are more open to" "Democrats are more open to transgendered views." "transgendered views." "And, in general, Republicans are" "And, in general, Republicans are more conservative about that and more conservative about that and they don't want to give LGBT they don't want to give LGBT rights to our community." "rights to our community." "CAITLYN:" "Anotheradventure." "CAITLYN:" "Anotheradventure." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CANDIS:" "Yes." "CHANDI:" "We'reofftothe" "CHANDI:" "We'reofftothe races." "races." "ELLA:" "Oh,my gosh." "ELLA:" "Oh,my gosh." "CHANDI:" "Let'sdo this." "CHANDI:" "Let'sdo this." "(squealing, laughing)" "(squealing, laughing) CANDIS:" "LikeaDisneyride !" "CANDIS:" "LikeaDisneyride !" "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my God." "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my God." "CAITLYN:" "Oneday,thisguy" "CAITLYN:" "Oneday,thisguy comes running up behind me and comes running up behind me and he goes, "Oh, I just love trans he goes, "Oh, I just love trans women."" "women." KATE:" "Thiswholenotionof" "KATE:" "Thiswholenotionof chasers has got to get out of chasers has got to get out of the field of being perverted." "(wind blowing) MAN:" "Hello." "MAN:" "Hello." "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoingtoday?" "CAITLYN:" "Howyoudoingtoday?" "Are you freezing?" "Are you freezing?" "MAN:" "I 'mnot." "Iwanttoshake" "MAN:" "I 'mnot." "Iwanttoshake  your hand." "your hand." "CAITLYN:" "Well,nicetomeet" "CAITLYN:" "Well,nicetomeet  you." "How are you?" "you." "How are you?" "MAN:" "Youwereanidol ofmine" "MAN:" "Youwereanidol ofmine back in the '70s." "back in the '70s." "CAITLYN:" "Backin theold" "CAITLYN:" "Backin theold  days, huh?" "days, huh?" "So much fun on this trip to just" "So much fun on this trip to just be out meeting people, shaking be out meeting people, shaking hands." "hands." "Well, we're open to people's" "Well, we're open to people's minds now." "minds now." "MAN:" "Thereyougo." "MAN:" "Thereyougo." "CAITLYN:" "Thereyougo." "CAITLYN:" "Thereyougo." "These people are just nice, fun." "These people are just nice, fun." "I'm having a great time." "I'm having a great time." "Nice meeting you." "Nice meeting you." "I love it." "I love it." "ELLA:" "I 'mimpressed." "ELLA:" "I 'mimpressed." "They have Ella." "They have Ella." "JENNY:" "Caitlyn." "JENNY:" "Caitlyn." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,herewego." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,herewego." "ELLA:" "You'regonnalovethat ." "ELLA:" "You'regonnalovethat ." "JENNY:" Someonewhois held" "JENNY:" Someonewhois held in high-esteem by her peers..."" "in high-esteem by her peers..." ELLA:" "Oh." "ELLA:" "Oh." "CAITLYN:" "Likethat." "CAITLYN:" "Likethat." "ELLA:" "Likethat." "ELLA:" "Likethat." "JENNY:" ...makessome" "JENNY:" ...makessome mistakes and learns from them."" "mistakes and learns from them." CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,that's" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,that's true." "true." "JENNY:" "Andfinally,"Caitlyn" "JENNY:" "Andfinally,"Caitlyn encourages others."" "encourages others." CAITLYN:" "I likethat." "CAITLYN:" "I likethat." "Perfect name." "Perfect name." "(laughter)" "(laughter) MAN:" "Readyto go flyingand" "MAN:" "Readyto go flyingand  have some fun today?" "have some fun today?" "CHANDI:" "Oh,I'mthinking" "CHANDI:" "Oh,I'mthinking about it." "about it." "MAN:' Causetoday,of course," "MAN:' Causetoday,of course, we're gonna fly over the Grand we're gonna fly over the Grand Canyon." "Canyon." "This is a site-seeing tour." "This is a site-seeing tour." "It's not a thrill ride, so it is" "It's not a thrill ride, so it is a very smooth, steady flight." "a very smooth, steady flight." "KATE:" "Thankyou." "KATE:" "Thankyou." "That's what I needed to hear." "That's what I needed to hear." "MAN:" "Mm-hmm." "That'swhatyou" "MAN:" "Mm-hmm." "That'swhatyou wanted to hear?" "wanted to hear?" "KATE:" "Yeah." "ELLA:" "Oh,my gosh." "MAN:" "Allright,are we" "MAN:" "Allright,are we finally ready to go?" "finally ready to go?" "We are ready." "We are ready." "Let's do this." "(laughter, sighing, gasping) CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God." "It's like a Disney ride!" "It's like a Disney ride!" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,guys,out in" "CAITLYN:" "Okay,guys,out in front of us is the big hole." "front of us is the big hole." "MAN:" "Iseverybodyready?" "MAN:" "Iseverybodyready?" "CANDIS:" "I 'mready!" "CANDIS:" "I 'mready!" "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "CAITLYN:" "Allright." "MAN:" "That'sgoodbecauseit's" "MAN:" "That'sgoodbecauseit's  happening." "happening." "CAITLYN:" "It'shappening!" "CAITLYN:" "It'shappening!" "MAN:" "Welcometo theGrand" "MAN:" "Welcometo theGrand Canyon, everybody." "Canyon, everybody." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "CAITLYN:" "Herewe go ." "ALL:" "Whoa!" "ALL:" "Whoa!" "CHANDI:" "Wow." "CHANDI:" "Wow." "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my gosh." "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my gosh." "CAITLYN:" "Thereit is--the" "CAITLYN:" "Thereit is--the  Grand Canyon." "Grand Canyon." "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my God." "ZACKARY:" "Oh,my God." "MAN:" "Howis thatview?" "MAN:" "Howis thatview?" "CAITLYN:" "Notabad view." "CAITLYN:" "Notabad view." "CHANDI:" "Notabad viewat" "CHANDI:" "Notabad viewat all." "all." "JENNY:" "Thecanyontakesyour" "JENNY:" "Thecanyontakesyour  breath away." "breath away." "It makes you think about the" "It makes you think about the meaning of our lives and how meaning of our lives and how insignificant we are." "insignificant we are." "It was very emotional up there." "It was very emotional up there." "CANDIS:" "Thisis so gorgeous," "CANDIS:" "Thisis so gorgeous, you guys." "you guys." "ķ Oh, oh-oh ķ Oh, oh-oh Oh, oh. ķ" "(birds singing)" "CANDIS:" "So,youguys,Ithink  our table's ready." "our table's ready." "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo get" "CAITLYN:" "Let'sgo get something to eat." "something to eat." "Am I at the head of the table?" "Am I at the head of the table?" "Scary." "Scary." "JENNY:" "Youareattheheadof" "JENNY:" "Youareattheheadof the table." "the table." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "CANDIS:" "Hi,honey." "You look gorge." "You look gorge." "(overlapping chatter)" "(overlapping chatter) I love it." "I love it." "Yay!" "Yay!" "JENNY:" "ThememoIgotwas" "JENNY:" "ThememoIgotwas casual dinner." "casual dinner." "Cait and I might be the only two" "Cait and I might be the only two who got the memo." "who got the memo." "(laughter)" "(laughter) KATE:" "Youarerocking" "KATE:" "Youarerocking Moschino." "Moschino." "CAITLYN:" "I amrockingthe" "CAITLYN:" "I amrockingthe  Moschino tonight." "Moschino tonight." "KATE:" "Moschino." "KATE:" "Moschino." "See, I don't even know how to" "See, I don't even know how to pronounce this." "pronounce this." "COURTNEY:" "She'stryingto" "COURTNEY:" "She'stryingto look like a designer school look like a designer school teacher right now." "teacher right now." "CAITLYN:" "She'sright." "CAITLYN:" "She'sright." "(laughter)" "(laughter) KATE:" "Ifyouweremyschool" "KATE:" "Ifyouweremyschool teacher, I would be so crushed teacher, I would be so crushed out on you." "out on you." "(laughter)" "(laughter) But you went to an all-boy" "But you went to an all-boy school, too, right?" "school, too, right?" "CAITLYN:" "I did." "CAITLYN:" "I did." "KATE:" "Cross-dressingwas" "KATE:" "Cross-dressingwas really difficult until my senior really difficult until my senior year." "year." "I got my own room." "I got my own room." "I was a hall monitor." "I was a hall monitor." "And then I could lock my door," "And then I could lock my door, and that's when I dressed up." "and that's when I dressed up." "CAITLYN:" "Butyouneverwent" "CAITLYN:" "Butyouneverwent  out?" "out?" "KATE:" "Oh,no ." "KATE:" "Oh,no ." "Stared at the door, wouldn't do" "Stared at the door, wouldn't do it." "it." "That took a long time." "That took a long time." "JENNY:" "Howlongdid ittake ?" "JENNY:" "Howlongdid ittake ?" "CAITLYN:" "You'retellingme?" "CAITLYN:" "You'retellingme?" "(Kate chuckles)" "(Kate chuckles) CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,astime" "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,well,astime  went on, I got more and more went on, I got more and more daring." "daring." "I never used to get caught, and" "I never used to get caught, and then, one day, when I was at the then, one day, when I was at the Marriott years ago in Orlando," "Marriott years ago in Orlando, went through the lobby, went went through the lobby, went down, got in the car, drove down, got in the car, drove around for while, came back." "around for while, came back." "COURTNEY:" "What,as Caitlyn?" "COURTNEY:" "What,as Caitlyn?" "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "CAITLYN:" "Yes." "Was walking through the lobby," "Was walking through the lobby, and this guy comes running up and this guy comes running up behind me." "behind me." ""Hello!" "Hello!" "Hello!"" ""Hello!" "Hello!" "Hello!" And he goes, "Oh, I just love" "And he goes, "Oh, I just love trans women."" "trans women." And I went, "(Bleep)!"" "And I went, "(Bleep)!" I'm going, "Just keep walking."" "I'm going, "Just keep walking." And he stayed out of the" "And he stayed out of the elevator." "elevator." "That was the closest I ever got" "That was the closest I ever got to anybody ever." "to anybody ever." "He goes, "I date 'em all the" "He goes, "I date 'em all the time." "time." "I love trans women."" "I love trans women." And this and that." "And this and that." "CANDIS:" "Hewaschasing." "CANDIS:" "Hewaschasing." "CAITLYN:" "AndI'mgoing," "CAITLYN:" "AndI'mgoing, "Oh, (bleep), on the wrong guy."" ""Oh, (bleep), on the wrong guy." (laughter)" "(laughter) Yeah." "Scared me to death." "Yeah." "Scared me to death." "Got into the room, locked the" "Got into the room, locked the door." "door." "I didn't go out again." "I didn't go out again." "KATE:" "Youknowwhat'sgonna" "KATE:" "Youknowwhat'sgonna have to happen for more have to happen for more acceptance is, this whole notion acceptance is, this whole notion of chasers has got to get out of of chasers has got to get out of the field of being perverted." "the field of being perverted." "It's got to become as beautiful" "It's got to become as beautiful to love a trans person as it is to love a trans person as it is to love a cis person." "to love a cis person." "There's the natural leap." "There's the natural leap." "When our desirability is" "When our desirability is natural, you know?" "natural, you know?" "JENNY:" "Butthemen who--and" "JENNY:" "Butthemen who--and women-- but the men who love us women-- but the men who love us need to be the ones to stand up need to be the ones to stand up and take responsibility and" "and take responsibility and testify to that." "testify to that." "KATE:" "Mm-hmm." "Mm-hmm." "KATE:" "Mm-hmm." "Mm-hmm." "JENNY:" "Ratherthanitbeing" "JENNY:" "Ratherthanitbeing some shameful thing, you know?" "some shameful thing, you know?" "CAITLYN:" "I can'tevenimagine" "CAITLYN:" "I can'tevenimagine some guy going out with me, and some guy going out with me, and then being absolutely then being absolutely scrutinized by the tabloids." "scrutinized by the tabloids." "Can you imagine if I actually" "Can you imagine if I actually had a date and, like, walked out had a date and, like, walked out of a movie theatre on a quiet of a movie theatre on a quiet Wednesday night holding hands" "Wednesday night holding hands with somebody?" "with somebody?" "I think they would be really" "I think they would be really tough on me, and certainly would tough on me, and certainly would be tough on the guy." "be tough on the guy." "Like, "Why are you dating her?"" "Like, "Why are you dating her?" You know?" "You know?" ""What are your motivation?"" ""What are your motivation?" It just gets so complicated," "It just gets so complicated, because of the media, that I because of the media, that I don't know any guy that would don't know any guy that would ever even want to go through ever even want to go through something like that." "JENNY:" "Thereis afactionof people who uses fear of trans people who uses fear of trans people, fear of gay people to people, fear of gay people to bring people to the polls, and bring people to the polls, and it's... it's..." "CAITLYN:" "We'renotgoing" "CAITLYN:" "We'renotgoing there, and... there, and..." "JENNY:" "Wearegoingthere." "JENNY:" "Wearegoingthere." "That's why we're on this trip!" "That's why we're on this trip!" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,God." "Every conservative guy out there" "Every conservative guy out there believes in everybody's rights." "WOMAN:" "Well,do youthink...?" "Did you say..." "Whoa." "Did you say..." "Whoa." "CHANDI:" "Uh,uh ,uh ,uh ,uh ." "ZACKARY:" "YouknowIhave a great boyfriend... great boyfriend..." "CHANDI:" "Oh,amazeballs." "CHANDI:" "Oh,amazeballs." "ZACKARY:...whojustworships" "ZACKARY:...whojustworships me." "me." "CHANDI:" "She'sgotagood man." "CHANDI:" "She'sgotagood man." "CANDIS:" "Theyallstartout" "CANDIS:" "Theyallstartout that way." "that way." "(laughter and groaning)" "(laughter and groaning) KATE:" "Well,well,well." "KATE:" "Well,well,well." "(overlapping chatter)" "(overlapping chatter) COURTNEY:" "Don'tbe aman" "COURTNEY:" "Don'tbe aman  hater." "hater." "ZACKARY:" "Bitterparty" "ZACKARY:" "Bitterparty of three?" "of three?" "(laughter)" "(laughter) KATE:" "Theworldischanging," "KATE:" "Theworldischanging, honey." "honey." "There are more guys going, "Oh." "There are more guys going, "Oh." "Oh, okay."" "Oh, okay." You know that." "You know that." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "No ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "No ." "I've never had a problem finding" "I've never had a problem finding someone." "someone." "It's finding the right person" "It's finding the right person and, you know... and, you know..." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,that'stoughin" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,that'stoughin any relationship." "any relationship." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CHANDI:" "Right." "Notonlyat" "CHANDI:" "Right." "Notonlyat night." "night." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "ZACKARY:" "AndIthink" "ZACKARY:" "AndIthink sometimes, like, well, we're sometimes, like, well, we're really rare." "really rare." "We're not like all the other" "We're not like all the other girls." "girls." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "ZACKARY:" "There'sonlysomany" "ZACKARY:" "There'sonlysomany  of us." "of us." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "No ." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "No ." "Yeah, no, for sure." "Yeah, no, for sure." "CAITLYN:" "Wejusthaveto" "CAITLYN:" "Wejusthaveto create understanding with them." "create understanding with them." "We have to explain this issue in" "We have to explain this issue in a way that they understand." "a way that they understand." "COURTNEY:" "I ..." "COURTNEY:" "I ..." "JENNY:" "Andmaybewe'llget" "JENNY:" "Andmaybewe'llget there." "there." "Maybe we'll get there because we" "Maybe we'll get there because we are being visible, and we're, are being visible, and we're, um... and we're doing this work." "(birds singing) (rooster crows)" "(rooster crows) (crow caws)" "(crow caws) JENNY:" "Whatdayistoday?" "JENNY:" "Whatdayistoday?" "Thursday, isn't it?" "Thursday, isn't it?" "ZACKARY:" "No,it 'sWednesday." "ZACKARY:" "No,it 'sWednesday." "JENNY:" "Today'sWednesday?" "JENNY:" "Today'sWednesday?" "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "ZACKARY:" "Yeah." "JENNY:" "Thisis notwhatI" "JENNY:" "Thisis notwhatI need." "need." "Ugh." "Ugh." "ZACKARY:" "What?" "ZACKARY:" "What?" "JENNY:" "So,newsbrokethat" "JENNY:" "So,newsbrokethat  something really disturbing had something really disturbing had happened in Houston." "happened in Houston." "An act called "The Hero Act,"" "An act called "The Hero Act," which guaranteed, um, equality, which guaranteed, um, equality, not just for LGBT people, but not just for LGBT people, but for all people, was, in fact," "for all people, was, in fact, repealed." "repealed." "There was a campaign for the" "There was a campaign for the repeal that was run by a group repeal that was run by a group of ministers and conservative of ministers and conservative Republicans." "Republicans." "The tactic that was used against" "The tactic that was used against our community to have this our community to have this quality act repealed was the quality act repealed was the threat that there would be sick threat that there would be sick men in dresses preying upon our" "men in dresses preying upon our children in restrooms." "children in restrooms." "It scared people." "It scared people." "Um, it was a lie, and it" "Um, it was a lie, and it happened to work." "happened to work." "While we were enjoying each" "While we were enjoying each others' company, something others' company, something rather discouraging happened." "rather discouraging happened." "Yesterday in Houston, an" "Yesterday in Houston, an ordinance protecting LGBT people ordinance protecting LGBT people was repealed." "was repealed." "The lead slogan was, "No men in" "The lead slogan was, "No men in women's bathrooms."" "women's bathrooms." CAITLYN:" "Well,I'mall for" "CAITLYN:" "Well,I'mall for  that, too." "that, too." "It's how you define men and" "It's how you define men and women." "women." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CHANDI:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "That'sallwe're" "CAITLYN:" "That'sallwe're arguing over here." "arguing over here." "JENNY:" "Well,whatthe people" "JENNY:" "Well,whatthe people behind this repeal managed to behind this repeal managed to convince people was that people convince people was that people like you and you and you and you like you and you and you and you and you and me are men in the" "and you and me are men in the ladies room." "ladies room." "CAITLYN:" "Theyjustpassed" "CAITLYN:" "Theyjustpassed this ordinance in Santa Fe." "this ordinance in Santa Fe." "It'd be very interesting to talk" "It'd be very interesting to talk to the mayor-- who's all for to the mayor-- who's all for this-- um, you know, some of the this-- um, you know, some of the obstacles that he had to go" "obstacles that he had to go through to get this through." "through to get this through." "JENNY:" "IfIunderstand" "JENNY:" "IfIunderstand correctly, the thing in Santa Fe correctly, the thing in Santa Fe was the mayor just did it." "was the mayor just did it." "Whereas in Houston, it was a" "Whereas in Houston, it was a popular referendum." "popular referendum." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "CAITLYN:" "Right." "JENNY:" "And,um ,Ithinkwe're" "JENNY:" "And,um ,Ithinkwe're at a tipping point now where the at a tipping point now where the religious right and some social religious right and some social conservatives are using fear of conservatives are using fear of people like us, telling lies" "people like us, telling lies about people like us, to repeal about people like us, to repeal and to prevent equality, and we and to prevent equality, and we have to push back on it." "have to push back on it." "I mean, I'm just seeing this" "I mean, I'm just seeing this real division... real division..." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "JENNY:...becausethere'sall" "JENNY:...becausethere'sall  this support and love for you." "this support and love for you." "You're being celebrated by" "You're being celebrated by Glamour magazine as one of the" "Glamour magazine as one of the most influential women in the most influential women in the world." "world." "And meanwhile, voters are" "And meanwhile, voters are pushing back." "pushing back." "CANDIS:" "Andit takesone" "CANDIS:" "Andit takesone  group saying that-that trans group saying that-that trans people are molesters, uh, to people are molesters, uh, to spook the rest of the community." "spook the rest of the community." "I mean, I don't even think about" "I mean, I don't even think about ever not going into the ladies ever not going into the ladies room." "room." "I've always been a strong" "I've always been a strong believer that you just hold your believer that you just hold your head up high and live your life head up high and live your life the way you're supposed to." "the way you're supposed to." "ZACKARY:" "Youholdyourhead" "ZACKARY:" "Youholdyourhead  up high and pee." "up high and pee." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "CANDIS:" "Yeah." "(laughter)" "(laughter) JENNY:" "So,Caitlyn,Iwant to" "JENNY:" "So,Caitlyn,Iwant to come back to you on this because come back to you on this because it's worth asking you how you it's worth asking you how you feel, as a conservative, about" "feel, as a conservative, about this." "this." "CAITLYN:" "I don'tthinkitwas" "CAITLYN:" "I don'tthinkitwas presented well to the public." "presented well to the public." "JENNY:" "Butit wasRepublicans" "JENNY:" "Butit wasRepublicans and conservatives who said-- and conservatives who said-- CAITLYN:" "Oh,please,it's" "CAITLYN:" "Oh,please,it's not, don't go there." "not, don't go there." "Just as much the Democrats." "Just as much the Democrats." "It was not, please, please," "It was not, please, please, please, please." "please, please." "JENNY:" "Caity,no ,Caity," "JENNY:" "Caity,no ,Caity, it-it's true." "Caity, why are it-it's true." "Caity, why are you insisting that?" "you insisting that?" "CAITLYN:" "No,it 'snot!" "CAITLYN:" "No,it 'snot!" "No, it's not." "No, it's not." "JENNY:" "It'snotthe truth?" "JENNY:" "It'snotthe truth?" "CAITLYN:" "Republicansandthe" "CAITLYN:" "Republicansandthe  conservatives are not these conservatives are not these horrible people out there trying horrible people out there trying to oppress people." "to oppress people." "JENNY:" "I didn'tsaythey" "JENNY:" "I didn'tsaythey were terrible people." "were terrible people." "In this particular, in this" "In this particular, in this-- CAITLYN:" "They're-they'renot." "CAITLYN:" "They're-they'renot." "JENNY:" "No,Iknowthat ." "JENNY:" "No,Iknowthat ." "I-I come from a Republican" "I-I come from a Republican family." "family." "CAITLYN:" "Sometimesthese" "CAITLYN:" "Sometimesthese girls think now that I've girls think now that I've transitioned that I, everything transitioned that I, everything has to change." "has to change." "You can't be conservative" "You can't be conservative anymore." "anymore." "You have to be a liberal." "You have to be a liberal." "Um, no, I don't believe that." "Um, no, I don't believe that." "I think, uh, I can keep, um, all" "I think, uh, I can keep, um, all of my views the same, uh, 'cause of my views the same, uh, 'cause I feel in my heart that that's" "I feel in my heart that that's the best way to go." "the best way to go." "I don't know anything of what" "I don't know anything of what they said down there, but I'm they said down there, but I'm not blaming it on Republicans not blaming it on Republicans and conservatives, okay?" "and conservatives, okay?" "JENNY:" "Well,Ithinkyouneed" "JENNY:" "Well,Ithinkyouneed to take a look at that." "to take a look at that." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah." "Oh ,please." "JENNY:" "No,you,please." "CAITLYN:" "That'swhyyou all" "CAITLYN:" "That'swhyyou all  need to go with me... need to go with me..." "JENNY:" "No,you-you,please!" "JENNY:" "No,you-you,please!" "You need to look at it, Caity." "You need to look at it, Caity." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis whyyou all" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis whyyou all  need" " No." "need" " No." "No, I'm not gonna identify that." "No, I'm not gonna identify that." "We're not going there." "We're not going there." "JENNY:" "Wearegoingthere." "JENNY:" "Wearegoingthere." "That's why we're on this trip." "That's why we're on this trip." "CAITLYN:" "And" "Oh ,God." "JENNY:" "You'retellingme Republicans support rights for" "Republicans support rights for transgender people?" "You're transgender people?" "You're telling me that the people-- telling me that the people-- CAITLYN:" "I thinktheybelieve" "CAITLYN:" "I thinktheybelieve in the Constitution and the in the Constitution and the freedom of the Constitution." "freedom of the Constitution." "JENNY:" "Sowhooverturned--?" "JENNY:" "Sowhooverturned--?" "CAITLYN:" "The-thepublic!" "CAITLYN:" "The-thepublic!" "Because they're uninformed!" "Because they're uninformed!" "The politicians didn't even vote" "The politicians didn't even vote on it." "on it." "They just put it on the ballot." "They just put it on the ballot." "KATE:" "Wait,therewas anad" "KATE:" "Wait,therewas anad that was put forward by the that was put forward by the former head of the Republican former head of the Republican party in some county in Texas, party in some county in Texas, and it's a horrible ad about a" "and it's a horrible ad about a man who's standing outside the man who's standing outside the bathroom waiting for a little bathroom waiting for a little girl to go in." "girl to go in." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,Iknow ," "CAITLYN:" "Oh,yeah,Iknow , yeah, they, they use the fear yeah, they, they use the fear factor big time." "factor big time." "Now, he may have been" "Now, he may have been Republican, I don't know, he" "Republican, I don't know, he might've been a Democrat." "might've been a Democrat." "I don't know and so" "I don't know and so-- JENNY:" "No,it wasnot a" "JENNY:" "No,it wasnot a Democrat." "Democrat." ""No men in women's bathrooms."" ""No men in women's bathrooms." CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Iagree." "CAITLYN:" "Yeah,Iagree." "It just so happens he happened" "It just so happens he happened to be a Republican." "to be a Republican." "I wish he was a damn Democrat." "I wish he was a damn Democrat." "That would've made my argument" "That would've made my argument much easier." "much easier." "CHANDI:" "Itwould'vemadeyour" "CHANDI:" "Itwould'vemadeyour  argument a lot easier." "argument a lot easier." "CAITLYN:" "A loteasier." "CAITLYN:" "A loteasier." "If the guy was a" "If the guy was a-- CANDIS:" "Yeah,butthere's" "CANDIS:" "Yeah,butthere's never been a Democrat who's never been a Democrat who's really stuck her neck out like really stuck her neck out like that to take a stand against that to take a stand against trans people." "trans people." "It might not be a coincidence." "It might not be a coincidence." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis nota" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis nota Democrat or Republican issue." "Democrat or Republican issue." "This is a humanity issue and" "This is a humanity issue and it's been-- it's been-- JENNY:" "Itis ,butsofar," "JENNY:" "Itis ,butsofar,  it's been a Republican issue it's been a Republican issue to-to turn people-- to-to turn people-- CAITLYN:" "Ithasnot ." "CAITLYN:" "Ithasnot ." "JENNY:" "Wehave15Republicans" "JENNY:" "Wehave15Republicans running for president, none of running for president, none of whom had stated publically that whom had stated publically that they're for trans rights and they're for trans rights and many whom have stated that they" "many whom have stated that they are against us." "are against us." "CAITLYN:" "They'rejustnot" "CAITLYN:" "They'rejustnot  talking about it." "talking about it." "For the Republicans, it's not a" "For the Republicans, it's not a big issue." "big issue." "The economy's the big issue." "The economy's the big issue." "They're just worried about $18" "They're just worried about $18 trillion of debt." "trillion of debt." "Those are all those, much bigger" "Those are all those, much bigger issues." "issues." "JENNY:" "Thereis afactionof" "JENNY:" "Thereis afactionof people who uses fear of trans people who uses fear of trans people, fear of gay people to people, fear of gay people to bring people to the polls bring people to the polls and-and it's generally" "and-and it's generally-- CAITLYN:" "ButtheRepublicans," "CAITLYN:" "ButtheRepublicans, I don't feel like they're out to" "I don't feel like they're out to get us." "get us." "JENNY:" "TheConstitution." "JENNY:" "TheConstitution." "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative" "CAITLYN:" "Everyconservative guy out there believes in guy out there believes in everybody's rights." "everybody's rights." "JENNY:" "Thathasnever" "JENNY:" "Thathasnever happened!" "That is a lie!" "happened!" "That is a lie!" "That has never happened!" "That has never happened!" "CANDIS:" "I mean,it is" "CANDIS:" "I mean,it is  frustrating to me that Cait frustrating to me that Cait doesn't see the obvious." "doesn't see the obvious." "I mean, it's not like we're" "I mean, it's not like we're saying, "No, the sky's pink." "saying, "No, the sky's pink." "No, really the sky is pink."" "No, really the sky is pink." I don't know how to show her" "I don't know how to show her without demeaning her or making without demeaning her or making her feel less than, because her her feel less than, because her party that she represents party that she represents doesn't believe in who we are as" "doesn't believe in who we are as trans people." "trans people." "JENNY:" "Yousaidyou wantedto" "JENNY:" "Yousaidyou wantedto know what is, uh, your life as a know what is, uh, your life as a woman gonna be like?" "woman gonna be like?" "What does it mean to be a woman" "What does it mean to be a woman besides hair and make-up?" "besides hair and make-up?" "It means support for a woman's" "It means support for a woman's life." "life." "It means women's health care." "It means women's health care." "CAITLYN:" "No,uh ,the" "CAITLYN:" "No,uh ,the Republicans just look at it very" "Republicans just look at it very much differently." "much differently." "They're just worried about much" "They're just worried about much bigger issues than the trans bigger issues than the trans issues." "issues." "JENNY:" "Thestakesare very" "JENNY:" "Thestakesare very high." "high." "If she doesn't listen to the" "If she doesn't listen to the rest of the community, I think rest of the community, I think she's gonna find herself she's gonna find herself isolated and irrelevant." "isolated and irrelevant." "As a leader, you need to embrace" "As a leader, you need to embrace the fight for women's, for the fight for women's, for women's lives." "women's lives." "CAITLYN:" "Yes,butwe're18" "CAITLYN:" "Yes,butwe're18 and a half trillion dollars in and a half trillion dollars in debt-- our economy is going to debt-- our economy is going to collapse." "collapse." "(Candis sighs)" "(Candis sighs) The Democrats are destroying the" "The Democrats are destroying the country." "country." "They should be really careful." "They should be really careful." "KATE:" "Oh,dear." "KATE:" "Oh,dear." "CAITLYN:" "Okay?" "So my ki" "CAITLYN:" "Oureconomyisgoing to collapse." "to collapse." "(Candis sighs)" "(Candis sighs) The Democrats are destroying the" "The Democrats are destroying the country." "country." "They should be really careful." "They should be really careful." "KATE:" "Oh,dear." "KATE:" "Oh,dear." "CAITLYN:" "Okay?" "CAITLYN:" "Okay?" "ZACKARY:" "I reallybelievethe" "ZACKARY:" "I reallybelievethe  feminist slogan "The personal is feminist slogan "The personal is political."" "political." And the thing that's most" "And the thing that's most important to me is advocating important to me is advocating for my trans brothers and for my trans brothers and sisters." "sisters." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "CHANDI:" "Mm-hmm." "ZACKARY:" "AndfromwhatI've" "ZACKARY:" "AndfromwhatI've  seen, the Democratic party has seen, the Democratic party has advocated for trans people in a advocated for trans people in a way that the Republicans have way that the Republicans have not." "not." "CAITLYN:" "No!" "CAITLYN:" "No!" "People look at the Democrats as" "People look at the Democrats as they are this open-minded they are this open-minded liberal group who's gonna sit liberal group who's gonna sit around and help everybody." "around and help everybody." "Free education, free health" "Free education, free health care, social programs, welfare, care, social programs, welfare, disability, insurance-- free disability, insurance-- free this, free that." "this, free that." "Well, right now, all those" "Well, right now, all those things are just killing our things are just killing our economy." "economy." "I think what they don't realize" "I think what they don't realize is this country could collapse is this country could collapse over this at some point." "over this at some point." "And if our country collapses, it" "And if our country collapses, it doesn't make any difference if doesn't make any difference if you're gay, trans-- whatever you're gay, trans-- whatever issue-- you're on social issue-- you're on social programs, it's over." "programs, it's over." "JENNY:" "I donotwanttoargue" "JENNY:" "I donotwanttoargue  about the government from here about the government from here to San Francisco, okay?" "to San Francisco, okay?" "CANDIS:" "I justthinkthat" "CANDIS:" "I justthinkthat she's been living in this she's been living in this conservative bubble for so long conservative bubble for so long that she doesn't really have any that she doesn't really have any desire to... desire to..." "COURTNEY:" "Tobringinany" "COURTNEY:" "Tobringinany new information." "new information." "CANDIS:...tobringinany" "CANDIS:...tobringinany new information or ideas." "new information or ideas." "When it comes to debating" "When it comes to debating politics with Caitlyn, it's not politics with Caitlyn, it's not a debate." "a debate." "She just talks what she believes" "She just talks what she believes in and she doesn't listen to the in and she doesn't listen to the other side, which worries me." "other side, which worries me." "I'm at a loss." "I'm at a loss." "You know?" "WOMAN:" "CaitlynJenner,you  don't speak for us!" "don't speak for us!" "We didn't ask for your help!" "We didn't ask for your help!" "CAITLYN:" "I hadno ideahow" "CAITLYN:" "I hadno ideahow  difficult this trip would be." "difficult this trip would be." "JENNY:" Noonewantstoseea" "JENNY:" Noonewantstoseea  man in a dress" sounds like you man in a dress" sounds like you are putting down people who look are putting down people who look that way." "that way." "Did she tell you early on?" "Did she tell you early on?" "KRIS:" "No." "KRIS:" "No." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "CAITLYN:" "Oh,Idid ,too ." "KRIS:" "I didn'tknowuntil" "KRIS:" "I didn'tknowuntil all of this." "all of this." "CAITLYN:" "Wait,letmefinish." "CAITLYN:" "Wait,letmefinish." "KRIS:" "I couldn'thavegiven" "KRIS:" "I couldn'thavegiven you the definition of you the definition of transgender." "transgender." "CAITLYN:" "Besidesthehairand" "CAITLYN:" "Besidesthehairand the make-up and the clothes, the make-up and the clothes, what does it mean to be a woman?" "what does it mean to be a woman?" "(paparazzi clamoring)" "(paparazzi clamoring) CANDIS:" "We'reallmarried!" "CANDIS:" "We'reallmarried!" "CAITLYN:" "We'reallmarried!" "CAITLYN:" "We'reallmarried!" "KIM:" "Doyouunderstandhow" "KIM:" "Doyouunderstandhow important a DMV photo is?" "important a DMV photo is?" "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,baby." "KOURTNEY:" "Yeah,baby." "CAITLYN:" "Thefunpartforme" "CAITLYN:" "Thefunpartforme is dragging all the girls along." "is dragging all the girls along." "To see them broaden their" "To see them broaden their horizons and have some fun with horizons and have some fun with this." "this." "CHANDI:" "Oh.." "CHANDI:" "Oh.." "Uh, uh..." "Uh, uh..." "(laughs)" "(laughs) Okay, okay." "Okay, okay." "KYLIE:" "I wouldn'twanttobe" "KYLIE:" "I wouldn'twanttobe on a red carpet with my vagina on a red carpet with my vagina out." "out." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "CAITLYN:" "Uh..." "KYLIE:" "Myvagina." "KYLIE:" "Myvagina." "(crowd cheering)" "(crowd cheering) KRIS:" "Youguyshaveall" "KRIS:" "Youguyshaveall gotten a major ten from me." "gotten a major ten from me." "Not you, Jenner, just your" "Not you, Jenner, just your friends." "friends." "(laughter)" "(laughter) CAITLYN:" "I agree,Iagree." "CAITLYN:" "I agree,Iagree." "CANDIS:" "I couldtotallykiss" "CANDIS:" "I couldtotallykiss you." "you." "MAN:" "I don'tthinkIcould" "MAN:" "I don'tthinkIcould really go there." "really go there." "CANDIS:' Causeofthetrans" "CANDIS:' Causeofthetrans thing?" "thing?" "MAN:" "It'sabig issue,yes." "MAN:" "It'sabig issue,yes." "Candis." "Candis." "CAITLYN:" "Thisis aboutlife" "CAITLYN:" "Thisis aboutlife and who you are." "and who you are." "It's almost like throwing old" "It's almost like throwing old Bruce out the door." "Bruce out the door." "KATE:" "I knowlifeishard ," "KATE:" "I knowlifeishard , but that's what happens." "but that's what happens." "You build the world." "You build the world." "It falls apart." "It falls apart." "WOMAN:" "Todayis the" "WOMAN:" "Todayis the Transgender Day of Remembrance" "Transgender Day of Remembrance that honors those lives we've that honors those lives we've lost in acts of anti-transgender lost in acts of anti-transgender violence." "violence." "CHANDI:" "SometimesIfeellike" "CHANDI:" "SometimesIfeellike  I'm not there for her enough." "I'm not there for her enough." "MAN:" "I seemy daughter" "MAN:" "I seemy daughter blossom like a flower." "blossom like a flower." "Your father's blossoming for" "Your father's blossoming for you." "you." "ELLA:" "I loveyou." "ELLA:" "I loveyou." "MAN:" "I loveyou." "MAN:" "I loveyou." "CAITLYN:" "I needto evolveas" "CAITLYN:" "I needto evolveas a person and deal with my issues a person and deal with my issues head on." "head on." "There's just too much at stake" "There's just too much at stake to get it wrong." "to get it wrong." "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,Ithink" "CANDIS:" "Oh,my God,Ithink that's Hillary." "that's Hillary." "CAITLYN:" "Hillary,comeand" "CAITLYN:" "Hillary,comeand  meet my family... meet my family..." "HILLARY:" "Oh,my gosh!" "HILLARY:" "Oh,my gosh!" "Captioningsponsoredby" "Captioningsponsoredby  BUNIM-MURRAY PRODUCTI"