"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen." "Before we begin we would just like to remind you that the act you are about to see is not for the faint of heart." "Twisted Sister has been accused of using foul, indecent and profane language during the course of their show." "If you do not-- repeat-- if you do not wish to subject yourself and/or your loved ones to such abuse, then please vacate the premises now!" "Thank you very much." "Now?" "!" "Right." "They look like women, they play like men, and they're the biggest bunch of hell raisers to come out of the States!" "It's Twisted Sister!" "♪ Good evening!" "♪" "♪ Welcome to our show!" "♪" "♪ If you've got that problem, yeah ♪" "♪ Well I think that you should know ♪" "♪ I want to tell you something ♪" "♪ I'm someone you can trust ♪" "♪ You better take a good hard look ♪" "♪ 'Cause there's a diamond in this dust ♪" "♪ Hit it!" "We're no overnight sensation ♪" "♪ No Cinderella fantasy ♪" "♪ Please no plaudits or ovations ♪" "♪ I've heard it all before you see... ♪" "In the summer of '72" "I pretty much determined that the drug scene that I had been part of as a hippie New York City kid was pretty much over." "And during that summer I had gotten a subscription to "Fusion Magazine"" "and with that subscription came a Lou Reed album, a David Bowie album, and a Mott the Hoople album." "And the cover of "Fusion" had David Bowie on it." "And I went whoa!" "Whoa!" "What's this?" "!" "This is not the Grateful Dead." "This is something completely different." "And I changed gears 180 degrees." "And so when The Dolls started playing at Mercer Arts Center, that was a new world for me." "Bowie was there, and Lou Reed was there." "And there was this glam glitter kinda thing." "You know I strangely was connected to it, except I was a musician and these bands were not that musical to me." "They were pretty bad actually." "I mean they were awful." "They looked great." "Man, The Dolls looked amazing." "I would go home and go," ""That band, if they could play, they're gonna make a fortune." "But they do suck."" "And I thought, "Wow, if you could get a band like that, but be good!"" "I started to put the feelers out, you know, that I wanted to be in a glitter band." "And I get this phone call from a guy who kinda sounded like Rocky Balboa." "And he was like, "Hey, how you doing?" "My name is Mel, you's inta Glittah?"" ""You's inta Glittah?"-- I'd never heard that phrase," ""Youse inta Glittah." Like You's?" "Yeah, I'm into glitter." ""Bowie, Lou Reed, Mott the Hoople, yeah, yeah."" ""We gotta band together, and we're gonna be like dressing like women."" "I said, "Really?"" "I said, "Are there a lot of groupies?"" "He said, "Oh yeah, you gonna get laid a lot."" "And when he comes to my house, you know, the doorbell rings and I look out." "And there's this African-American guy there." "And I go, "Excuse me, who are you?"" "And he goes, "It's Mel." And I went, "Oh, okay." "Whatever."" "We get in the car and drive to the first rehearsal in New Jersey." "And they told me that night, if you want the gig, you want in, basically it's yours." "The band had a kind of template." "There was Michael the singer, and Billy the guitar player who fashioned themselves as Mick and Keith." "Mel was more of a jazz-influenced drummer," "I think, but a good drummer." "Kenny on bass was this great musician who seemed a little out of place in the whole thing socially, but a sensational musician." "So I thought here's a good playing band." "And we're gonna be like looking really great-- like, we'll look like The Dolls, but we'll sound much better, and we'll get a record deal." "Hello, Stu?" "You're gonna freak out." "You should see this act." "The New York Dolls have nothing on these guys." "One of the first questions they asked me was would you be, um, against like putting on any makeup or anything like that." "And I figured yeah, okay I could do that." "I never had." "Now this was stuff different than what I was used to playing." "They were playing like David Bowie-- like David who?" "!" "This is, like, a little weird." "I didn't say anything, 'cause I wanted to be like a team player." "So I wasn't really sure if I liked it, but when we would play some of the songs, like the energy was there." "And one thing for sure was," "I didn't wanna have to go get a real job again." "In the '70s, in New York, the capital of the world which had sort of been abandoned by the grownups at that point and left to anybody who had the balls to still live there." "In the city proper you had rap, which was you know being born and developing and punk was growing out of downtown." "And as soon as you went over a bridge or through a tunnel and left the city... you were in America, essentially, and it was a different world." "The beauty of that era was that there was absolutely... nothing to do as far as nightlife, except for go to the movies or go see a live band." "And there was usually more happening with the live bands." "And it was great because everybody just came out in droves." "The scene at that time, mid-'70s or so, in the Tri-State area started originally like in Westchester County and some parts of Long Island, and it just grew and grew and grew." "What I've understood, it's the only place in the country that had this kind of intense club area." "And much like there are still to this day Top 40 bands, uh, club owners were looking for bands that played the hits of the day." "We were playing Led Zeppelin, we were playing The Who, we were playing Jethro Tull, we were pretty infamous for that." "And it was all done properly." "It was all done up to snuff" "Everybody wanted to see, oh, could they do AC/DC?" "Could they do Led Zeppelin?" "How good could they do this?" "Nobody wanted to hear original music." "And nobody played original music at that time." "And lo and behold, once you got into the circuit, and you swam in that stream," "You know, all of a sudden it all opened up, and there we were." "The first show at the Satellite was definitely something different." "It was like a huge place, and it actually was right near Fort Dix Army base and then right across the street from McGuire Air Force base." "So you had like the Air Force and the Army and all these guys coming here." "The makeup we were doing was very feminine." "And I remember being like really nervous." "'Cause I'm thinking well they're gonna take one look at us and they're gonna start throwing stuff." "But there was no one in this room." "It was a giant bowling alley that holds 3,000 people." "There was maybe 20 people a night." "Tuesday night, nobody." "Wednesday night, nobody." "Thursday night, nobody." "We kinda get comfortable into the groove, that maybe nobody's gonna show up and we'll learn the songs 'cause we barely knew enough songs to get through three sets." "We had to play five." "Come the weekend, bang!" "There was 3,000 G.I.s-- oh, my God!" "I was sick, physically sick to my stomach." "Looked outside, saw these 3,000 people, saw myself in a dress with a dog collar on, thinking, "Oh, I am gonna just get killed." ""This is where I'm gonna die." "It's come to this, dressed in drag, I'm gonna be murdered."" "But for whatever reason, the soldiers there were just drunk and wanted entertainment!" "Around 16 years old I was coming to a crossroads where as an unpopular kid who didn't have many friends or didn't fit in with any cliques or anything like that," "I, um, came to a point where I really realized that I was sort of fading." "I was fading into the background, and I was becoming a nonentity." "And I remember literally sort of shaking myself and saying, that, you know, I will not go quietly into the night!" "And I was this sort of outcast but I didn't really care." "I just became my own person." "I always sang in bands." "And that I started to excel at." "So my bands started becoming the popular bands in the school." "Harlequin was my post-high school band-- my first band to start to play out in clubs a little bit." "But somewhere along the way," "I was offered the opportunity to join a working bar band, who weren't nearly the band Harlequin was." "They were called Peacock." "But it was gonna give me the opportunity to actually make a living." "And I figured I would really hone my craft." "So I left a much better band to join a weaker band." "People just couldn't get over the way we looked." "There really wasn't anybody else out there in the scene that was doing anything like what we were doing." "We would kiss during the Bowie medley." "And that would be outrageous, but cool." "And the chicks would dig it, and we'd get laid a lot." "We got these dog collars-- pretty severe, you know, like this high, and studs." "And we got a chain and we would chain each other together." "One thing we had to be careful though was to make sure the amplifiers were grounded properly." "Otherwise you get a heck of a shock." "We got a truck really cheap." "And we were able to make $150 a night, six nights a week playing in one club." "You could actually make money." "I mean, without sounding like my dad, gas was, you know, 29 cents a gallon and hotels were $39 a night, and the truck rental was like 50 bucks a week." "I mean you could actually function." "We get the house band gig at the Mad Hatter in the Hamptons, which is this big nightclub in Long Island." "For the summer of '73, 15 weeks in a row, living above the club." "We're 20." "What do you think?" "I mean it was ridiculous." "It was fun." "It was insane." "There were women everywhere." "The place would be absolutely packed shoulder to shoulder." "People were going crazy." "The only problem was Michael would get drunk as the night would go on, and we'd play less music and Michael would start to, like, drool." "It was, like, well I shouldn't say funny, but when you're looking up at the stage and you don't see the front man up there and you wonder-- and one of your bouncers or your bartenders" "are telling you, "Bob, he's over here..."" "And I'm, "Over where?"" "He fell off the stage." "He's on the side of the stage." "I mean what kind of, you know." "But the whole band was drunk." "Mel fell over on his drum seat one night." "I remember he drank something like nine Rusty Nails." "He collapsed." "Billy fell." "Kenny was drunk all the time." "I was surrounded by alcoholics, and I didn't drink." "But we're making music and we're obviously making people happy." "And the band became bigger and we finally got into the second summer." "We were the house band at the OBI East, which is a club 10 times the size of the Hamptons." "...we must have been good." "Unfortunately, we didn't have the ability to harness it." "Our management really didn't understand what the hell we were." "It's like trying to put a saddle on an atomic bomb." "You know you kinda like hold that sucker for as long as you can before the whole thing blows up." "And in this case with Twisted, no one could control it." "And alcohol eventually dismantled the band." "Well, we decided to get rid of Michael and Billy." "So we were trying to figure out what to do next." "We needed a new singer and a new guitar player." "We contacted a guy named Keith Angel," "He was working with a singer named Rick Prince." "And the two of them grafted in." "And it was great." "Except that in the history of Twisted Sister," "Rick Prince was there for a total of nine weeks." "Rick just one day doesn't show to a gig, and we never hear from him again." "So now, the question is, what do you do?" "We don't have a singer." "I'm so sick of depending on people." "I figured, well, I'll sing." "'Cause I know I'll show up at the gig." "But I have very limited vocal ability." "God created Dylan so I could do cover material." "So basically I become the lead singer, and that changes the focus of the songs." "We do Kinks songs now." "We do Mott songs, a lot more Lou Reed, so I can sing." "So now it's a four-man band, and we're working." "My days in Peacock," "P as in pee, C as in cock-- those of you on the left can see the pee, those of you on the right can see the cock-- that's what the keyboard player used to say." "In Peacock I had a chance to hone my craft five days a week, five sets a night." "But also building a name for myself locally." "I knew that Twisted Sister was a name in the club scene." "I used to see them in the local papers, and from hearing about them, people would talk about them." "Mott The Hoople, Lou Reed, you know, David Bowie, that was their thing." "I liked all that stuff." "I loved all that stuff." "So I was very interested in connecting with some people like who were into that." "This new version of Twisted Sister, were winding its way through the summer." "We lost our big gig at the OBI, and I could sense that if we didn't do something drastic, this band wasn't gonna last." "And my agent suggested we get a n-- a lead singer." "And he suggested this kid Danny Snider, from a band called Peacock." "And I told Mel and Keith in the dressing room that I'm bringing a guy down who's showing a real interest in being the lead singer." "I should have realized from their response that this wasn't gonna go well." "They went, "No, there's no reason why we need a singer." "We're doing fine."" "Well, we weren't doing fine." "I remember him coming up and saying, "I'm what you need," "I can do this, I can put you over the top."" "I said, "Yeah sure, you know, go away."" "And I said, "Okay." And as I'm walking away," "Jay Jay pragmatically-- always the pragmatist-- said, "You know, give me your phone number just in case."" "We played a show at the Rock Palace at Lake Carmel on Labor Day Weekend of '75, and after that night that we played," "Mel and Keith took the truck." "And said basically, "Fuck you and Kenny." "This is ours and we're done with you guys."" "And we were faced with having to break up or start all over again." "Sometime around mid-October," "I said, "Kenny, you wanna give it another shot?"" "He said, "Yeah." "How you gonna find people?"" "I said, "Well I can call my old guitar player from high school," "Eddie Ojeda."" "I was always in a working band," "I was always playing for a living." "When Jay Jay first told me, you know, about putting a band together and stuff," "I was kinda surprised that you could go out and play rock 'n' roll at that time, in a band." "I thought you had to play, you know, either funk or-- you know," "Funk is cool-- but something..." "you had to play dance stuff." "We were looking around for a drummer and found Kevin John Grace and basically trying to put together some of the same material we had." "We tried doing a four piece, and it was cool." "We were doing more like Rolling Stones stuff, more middle of the road rock." "I was now exposed as a singer." "So we used to do songs and I would berate the audience and try to get them to clap along with us." "Hustle them in any way I could to try to get a reaction, because we sucked, or I thought we sucked or I didn't have any confidence in what we did, and I figured well, if I can't get them to" "if we can't play better," "I'll beat them to death until they clap." "It was fun but it wasn't-- it was like, we would have been just a cover band." "It woulda been just a fun cover band." "I had a desire to get back to where I just was-- forget about exceeding that." "I already" " I'd felt, like I said, the 2,000 people in the bar." "I felt the power of a band." "I wanted that, man, I really wanted it." "So we knew we had to do something." "So we decided, let's get a singer." "And so..." "I called Dee again." "And he invited me to come up to Hunter Mountain." "The band was booked for a weekend." "We could audition, and if it worked out, we could rehearse, and we could play that weekend." "This was going to be my big audition and my big shot at stardom." "So we finally gave him a chance, and we were amazed at how good he was." "And one of the greatest things was, like, uh, he didn't drink!" "After I did my audition," "Jay Jay took me outside and he sorta said," ""Well, I own the name, and I own the P.A. system." "Are you cool with that?"" "And I said, "Yeah, okay."" "And he goes, "Alright, we'll see how it goes."" "I was never officially told, "You're in."" "It was just, "We'll see how it goes."" "So I've been sort of on a trial basis for the last 35 years." "You know, I don't know, I'm waiting to get the call." "So we started rehearsing with Kevin." "And that was a problem 'cause Kevin's drumming was not really that good, and we knew that was the next issue." "Jay Jay had a friend named Tony Petrie, who he had worked with years ago." "Jay Jay said, "This guy Tony is a hard hitter, he's a great drummer, and he's in."" "So, uh, we started rehearsals behind Kevin John Grace's back." "We established a pattern in Twisted Sister that you don't fire a guy till you have a new guy ready because you can't afford to lose dates." "So we rehearsed with Tony, we got Tony all prepped." "We tell Kevin it's over." "And now with the band of me and Dee and Tony and Kenny and Eddie, that band now makes the frontal assault on the Long Island bar scene." "Let's go!" "Come on, babies!" "You all know the words, it's" "Hey man!" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ Ah leave me alone you know ♪" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ Well Henry, get off the phone, I gotta ♪" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ I gotta straighten my face ♪" "♪ This mellow black chick just put my spine out of place ♪" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ My school day's insane ♪" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ My work's down the drain ♪" "♪ Hey man ♪" "♪ Well she's a total blam-blam ♪" "♪ She said she had to squeeze it but she... then she... ♪" "♪ Ah don't lean on me, man, 'cause you can't afford the ticket ♪" "♪ I'm back from Suffragette City ♪" "♪ Oh don't lean on me, man ♪" "♪ 'Cause you ain't got time to check it ♪" "♪ You know my Suffragette City... ♪" "I remember my father was at a show." "And my father was pretty blunt about it." "He says," ""You guys were pretty boring till you brought him up on stage."" "♪ Ohhh, Wham Bam Thank you, Ma'am ♪" "♪ Suffragette City ♪" "♪ Suffragette City ♪" "♪ Suffragette!" "♪" "♪ Oh, Suffragette!" "♪" "So then when Dee joined the band, he said," ""Oh, let's wear make-up and, you know, and go back to that look."" "Hear that, babies?" "It may be hot but we're gonna make it hotter!" "♪ Doo doo doo-doo doo doo doo doo ♪" "♪ You've got your mother in a whirl ♪" "♪ She ain't sure if you're a boy or a girl ♪" "♪ Hey, babe, your hair's alright ♪" "♪ Hey, babe, let's go out tonight... ♪" "Little by little we just started getting really flashy and putting on more make-up and doing up the hair and, you know, the clothes and stuff, and stealing our mom's clothes and things like that." "But I only actually took one-- two shirts from my mother." "It's not like I stole all her clothes." "♪ You love bands when they're playing hard ♪" "♪ You want more and you want it fast ♪" "♪ They put you down, they say I'm wrong ♪" "♪ You tacky thing, you put them on... ♪" "As far as the image went," "I was, like I said, looking to get more adventurous." "Then I met Suzette." "Well I was 15 and I borrowed my cousin's I.D., who was much older than me, but I looked" " I didn't look 15." "So I snuck in, and I went to go see the girls band, Twisted Sister." "I thought they were gonna be a bunch of girls, but they weren't." "They were a bunch of men trying to look like girls." "I was a little blown away when this big guy-- 'cause Dee's 6'1"-- and he was wearing," "I think, like eight-inch platforms, with little hot pants." "He did not look attractive." "He was scary looking, but incredible on stage." "And Dee mistaked me smiling as, like, I was coming on to him." "And Dee slowly walked over to me, and he bent over on the side of the stage and he kinda gave me one of these." "And I kinda felt like I was being like sucked into the vortex." "She thought I looked ridiculous and if I was gonna do it I should be better at it." "So she started pushing me to wear lipstick." "And I was, "Hey, I'm not a fag."" "This was a bizarre thing to say." "I'm wearing stockings and hot pants when I meet her, and thigh-high leather boots and gloves." "You know-- "I'm Dee, Blow Me" my shirt said." "But to me that was like the line." "You know, you're wearing lipstick?" "I'm not wearing lipstick." "And I remember she said," ""Well, I got this little tray of lip glosses."" "And here at the bottom is just clear." "And at the other end was a hot bright red." "She says, "Just put some clear on."" "And I'm like, "Well okay, clear." "But you know." "I'm not gay." Okay." "Clear lip gloss." "And I quickly ran out of that compartment and the next one was a little beige-ish." "So I went through that one." "Well, it was about a line of a dozen." "By the time I ran out of the final one, it was as red as red could be." "I was just full blown red." "We thought that it would be a great idea to get a band house." "The idea being that we would live together, we would create together, we would bond." "And we rented a house in a really nice neighborhood in Massapequa, Long Island-- Old Harbor Greene." "And we all moved in." "We worked all night and then we'd come home." "We'd go to sleep." "We'd wake up." "We'd see each other in the kitchen every day." "So this was our lives." "One, two, three, four!" "♪ When I was in a rock 'n' roll band ♪" "♪ And I was playin' a one night stand ♪" "♪ And I said I wanna be your man ♪" "♪ And it was fine ♪" "♪ But T said that we hadn't made it ♪" "♪ Although so invaded ♪" "♪ The situation is jaded and it's a crime ♪" "What happened, rather than bringing the band together and bonding us, my alienation began in that house." "I really badly wanted to hang with these guys." "They were older than me." "They were from Manhattan." "They were from the Bronx." "They had been in Twisted Sister." "You know." "They were these cool guys." "And I was this 21-year-old from Long Island, a rube, a dork, and I didn't have nearly the cool creds that they had in any fashion." "And I really admired them and looked up to them." "Jay Jay was our manager." "Kevin was our agent." "And we were having a meeting and discussion about the originals and we were talking all about "Can't Stand Still,"" ""For A Minute," and "TV Wife," "Follow Me."" "He hated the songs that we were doing." "And, of course, Dee being Dee wasn't polite about it." "It wasn't like he went, "Hey man, you know..."" "I just blurted out, and just said, "These songs are" " I don't like these songs." "They're not right for the band." "They're not really great songs." "They're not gonna make a difference." "Blah, blah, blah..."" "And I was just railing, and Kevin Brenner said, "Do you write songs?"" "And I said, "Yes."" "I'd written one with Harlequin-- co-written one." "And he says, "Do you have any songs... to submit?"" "And I said, "No."" "And he said, "Well shut up until you do."" "I came to Jay Jay with an idea for a song, and I don't remember it." "I very nervously brought it to him." "Jay Jay, of course, did not realize the significance of what was happening for me." "And when I presented the song to him and I sang it to him and I was just so nervous and uncomfortable singing this song." "Jay Jay said," ""Oh that's about you and Suzette?" "That's cute."" "And he turned away, and started a conversation with somebody else." "And that was a really a big mistake." "Depending on how you look at it." "I mean if you look at it as a driving, motivating force for me to prove to Jay Jay and the world that I was somebody, and the impetus to me becoming this manic songwriter who just started churning songs out" "at a ridiculous pace-- if you look at it as that, then it was a good thing." "But it really distanced me from the band, and I just sort of went into my own world and I started creating separately from the band." "My sole purpose was to obliterate Jay Jay French and his songs and take over song writing completely." "I was maniacal and malicious." "And uh..." "I did it." "♪ You and I, We lit the fire ♪" "♪ We build it, baby, My desire ♪" "♪ But now you say I overdo it ♪" "♪ Be careful, baby, Don't make me choose it ♪" "♪ Oh, always, Oh, always ♪" "♪ Gotta pay the price ♪" "♪ Oughta hear who'd love for free ♪" "♪ Gotta pay the price ♪" "♪ Oh, pay the price for loving me, yeah... ♪" "Dee didn't fit in to me." "But then again, I was a pragmatist." "I needed a singer, I'm not a singer." "I mean, I needed somebody like that and if it came with baggage" "I was prepared to put up with baggage to a degree." "It was "Come Back." It was "Pay The Price."" "I think were the first tracks." "That's when I kinda went, "Wow, the guy's got..." "something there."" "♪ Pay the price ♪" "♪ Oh, pay the price for lovin' me, yeah ♪" "♪ For lovin' me, yeah... ♪" "When I joined the band," "Jay Jay was already-- had a rapport with the audience." "I guess that's what you would call it." "A rapport where he would talk between songs." "There were certain songs where he would go for a little audience participation or whatever." "So it was definitely existing to my memory, and I would just stand off to the side." "We would finish a song and I would step back," "Jay Jay would talk." "I might throw a word in or two here." "But this was Jay Jay's band, you know I was joining Twisted Sister." "And I was the kid and he was the seasoned pro." "As the summer begins, ladies and gentlemen, and we all party ourself to death, we'd like to welcome you to the summer of '77 with a song called, "Sweet Jane!"" "♪ Standin' on the corner ♪" "♪ Suitcase in my hand ♪" "♪ Jack's in his corset, Jane's in her vest ♪" "♪ I'm in a rock 'n' roll band ♪" "I sang the song "Sweet Jane" and that was my thing." "And somewhere in the middle of "Sweet Jane," one night," "I would get the audience to sing the phrase "Sweet Jane,"" "I stopped the show." "♪ Sweet Jane ♪" "Now is that easy or what?" "And I said, you know what?" "Why don't we get a couple of people up on stage and sing along." "And so we invited people on stage to sing along." "And we had a big gong behind us, 'cause in the "Gong Show,"" "they would gong you if you sucked." "So I'd have the person sing and then if they sucked, my drummer would-- the audience would basically be like the Roman amphitheater." "You know, "They suck." And he'd gong them out." "And if they sang well, they got a round of applause." "And that lasted a couple of weeks." "But you know I needed more." "So I said to the bartender," ""Send up some shot glasses and give me some booze and maybe we'll take a shot of something and try it."" "What are you looking for, a stoned person?" "I'm looking for a beer!" "So they sent a bottle of tequila up or Wild Turkey or something and there was maybe five or six girls and guys." "And we'd give them a shot and they'd sing "Sweet Jane"" "and then they would just get more drunk and be stupider, and the reaction would get bigger, and the crowd started getting bigger." "♪ Sweet Jane ♪" "♪ Sweet Jane ♪" "This is the big difference between us and all these other bands." "We're not playing music here." "We're bullshitting." "We're telling jokes." "We're just getting people drunk and telling them to sing "Sweet Jane!"" "And getting them laughed off the stage and gonging them." "And more alcohol, and more alcohol comes in." "And finally one night I think we're six or seven shots in and some guys throw up onstage, and he was this big fat guy-- they called him Buddha." "And he throws up in a waste paper basket and the place went crazy." ""Buddha, Buddha." And I'm thinking," "Wow man... they're throwing up, and they're loving it." "This is... what a image!" "So we'll do "The Drop Till You Vomit Gong Show."" "No, it's "The Sweet Jane Drink Till You Puke Gong Show."" "Right." "That's what it was." "Yeah, believe it or not there was a line of people that couldn't wait to drink till they puked." "I feel totally fucked up right now!" "And that's fucking great!" "One guy actually turned around and puked." "And then turned around and said," ""Okay, I'm ready to go some more."" "It was nasty... unless you like vomit." "♪ Some people like to go out dancing, babies ♪" "♪ Well people like us, we just gotta work ♪" "The last night we made them drink..." "Well let me put it to you this way..." "Do you know how when you watch the hot dog eating contest on Coney Island, the thin guy always wins?" "There's like some fat guy, but like some little Japanese dude eats 1,000 hot dogs?" "Well, it came down to Buddha and some really thin, little dude, and they drank." "And at some point in the night, the bartender said," ""I think you've given them enough to die"-- or something like" ""I think you've given them possibly a lethal..."" "I mean, have no idea!" "I hate this." "I don't drink!" "I don't know what's a lethal amount of alcohol or not." "But needless to say, the winner got a case of beer, which is a joke." "So the kid, the thin kid wins and they handed him the case and he just colla" "He couldn't hold it." "He was so fucked up!" "If we tried it today, it's criminal" " I'm sure we'd all end up in jail." "Uh, they don't look kindly on things like this anymore." "But back in those days it was just good, clean fun!" "Long Island, you're outrageous!" "Thank you!" "I mean crazy stuff happened." "And also humiliating stuff happened." "For example the World Series, when the Yankees played in '77, we couldn't... people didn't want us to play." "The game would be on television." "They'd have a couple of TV sets up there, and we'd go out onstage-- "Hey, shut up!" "We're watching the fucking Yankee game!"" "We walk offstage and go, "Fuck, you know what?" "We're not gonna play until the goddamn World Series is over!"" "So we'd show up on a..." "we'd show up and just sit around till the damn game is over." "And that, by the way, wasn't the only time that happened." "You know, you're a bar band, you're just an adjunct to the night." "Maybe this is another reason why we wanted to be loved and wanted to make something of ourselves." "Because we weren't just like," ""Oh!" "Let's go to the bar!" "Oh, there's a band there."" "Yeah, and they're just a fucking-- they're just there to be-- to give us some background music while we figure out ways to get high and get laid."" "And we're thinking, "No, no, no!" ""We're a band!" "We're more than that!" ""We're more than just background music for you to get high and get laid to!" "We're something!"" "Tonight we have a little message for you, ladies and gentlemen." "Everybody read it?" "It says, "Disco Fucking Sucks," you hear what I'm saying?" "Now everybody," "I want you on the count of three to read the sign!" "Are you ready to go?" "One, two, three-- Disco Fuckin' Sucks!" "Class, one more time!" "When you're on stage and doing schtick you're trying to kill four hours a night, you know?" "It's a lot to do, a lotta music to play and you're looking for other things to sort of stretch it out." "And "Disco Sucks" got a huge response from the audience so it quickly became a thing for us." "Dee or me said something like "Disco sucks."" "Someone yelled out something." "Maybe someone yelled out," ""Yeah!" "Disco sucks!"" "Maybe." "And we went, "Yeah, Disco sucks..."" "I don't know." "But the reaction to those words was like whoo!" "It was like you lit a fire, and all of a sudden we looked at each other and went" " Bingo!" "Disco sucks!" "Disco sucks!" "Disco sucks!" "They would go down to the record store and pick up a bunch of Disco singles." "And they would spread them out on the stage." "And then Dee would get a big sledgehammer and you know everybody at the count of three" ""Disco sucks!" and he would just take the sledgehammer and bash the fucking shit out of the fucking Disco records, ahh!" "Disco sucks!" "Disco sucks!" "And that was part of the club touring gear was a sledgehammer." "You know, amplifier, guitars, sledgehammer." "And uh, that's about as metal as you can get, right?" "♪ Well, I hate Disco music ♪" "♪ 'Cause Disco music really sucks ♪" "♪ Well, I hate Disco music ♪" "♪ 'Cause Disco really sucks ♪" "Everybody would be pumping their arms in the air because you believed these guys were gonna save rock 'n' roll and stamp out dirty Disco, you know?" "It was-- it was a real fight!" "There were Disco people and there were rock people." "And it was, you know, nobody met." "This was not a racial issue because as far as I was concerned, there were no African-Americans in any of these clubs to see any of these bands." "It was-- to me it seemed like a Brooklyn John Travolta cliche versus guys wearing jeans and t-shirts and sneakers." "And we exploited the sociological break." "Boy did we exploit it." "Louder!" "I hate Disco music..." "Why?" "!" "'Cause Disco really sucks!" "I said, the Village People and Barry White, take a rocket to the moon and stay out of my sight!" "♪ 'Cause I hate Disco music ♪" "♪ 'Cause Disco really sucks, oh yeah... ♪" "We decided to hold a trial of Barry White and find him guilty of destroying American popular music." "They had this big mannequin dressed in a tuxedo, with a long, curly black wig on and they would bring it out and say," ""Barry White couldn't be here tonight so we're just gonna have to hang him in effigy."" "They would hang him, and then beat him like a piñata." "With a big bat." "And the crowd would go wild and "Kill him, kill him!"" "They would chant, you know." "And so we're off stage thinking," ""Yeah, that went over pretty well." You know?" "Well, let me tell you something." "We did it for a while until we did it one time in some rural town in upstate New York-- Lake Carmel, the Rock Palace." "And we did our hanging of Barry White and the crowd went nuts, loved it." "I think we even pulled down the body and started ripping it apart." "I mean we would really just get into it." "And after the show this real redneck club owner said to us," ""I don't know about Barry White, but you hang a nigger in this town, you're okay in my book."" "You know I'm like, "What?" "!"" "He said, "You hung a nigger." "You can't go wrong!"" "It was like, "Holy shit!"" "You know like we-- Long Island, not a prejudice bone in our bodies, it was anything-- so distant from our minds." "On some level I can laugh about it and it's absurdity." "On the other hand I'm disgusted by it and uh the fact that I could have been part of anything that would have elicited that response by anybody, the fact that I would carry that negative energy on anyone," "really-- you know, makes me sick." "And we stopped it immediately and moved on." "And our antidote to that was to build an electric chair and fry Andrea True." "It must have been about two months into our relationship, and I was wearing a shirt that Dee was blown away by." "And all he kept saying to me was how beautiful I looked and how beautiful the shirt was, and where I got it, and just how amazing I looked." "So about two weeks later I decided that I was going to go see him and I was gonna wear this shirt that blew him away." "And I'll never forget pulling up to the bar." "And Dee is onstage, and he is wearing the same shirt I am wearing!" "I was horrified." "I mean, the worst thing you can imagine, you go someplace and somebody else is wearing what you're wearing." "Yet your boyfriend?" "So I said, "That's it." "I'll start making him clothes." "And this is not gonna be a situation that I'm gonna be in again, because my boyfriend cannot be wearing the same clothes I'm wearing!"" "Suzette was making shit for me, costumes." "I would wear anything she made, and she made some ridiculous outfits for me." "The guys used to be embarrassed." "Eddie would say, "How can you wear that onstage?" "Your whole johnson is hanging out."" "I was just like Suzette made it, I'm wearing it." "Early on there, people were starting to call me Twisted Sister, because I was the one dressing up, and the band was not." "I knew that didn't sit well with the band." "Jay Jay came to me and Jay Jay confronted me and asked me if I would start basically making everyone's costumes in the band." "And I said absolutely." "And the whole band started getting onboard one by one." "And slowly I started teaching everybody in the band how to do makeup, and started doing everybody's hair-- everybody's clothes." "Twisted Sister was designed to overwhelm an audience." "You know, other bands were just going out with music." "Well, we had music, too." "But what could we do that was past the music?" "Well, the glam thing afforded us the costumes and then the make-up, and then if there was staging, or any other implementation we could do-- anything we could bring to the table to throw more weight in our direction." "We did it." "So when other bands would go up against us if you're coming in, you know, and you've got a bat, and the other guy's got a bat and a gun and a knife, you're gonna lose." "So whatever they could do, we would always just figure out how to outdo that." "I don't know how much of a musical band we are, as much as we're a predatory band." "Which is, put this fish in the water and give this fish a target, and say this fish must kill that fish, and this fish will go out there and kill that fish." "And I don't care how insensitive that sounds," "I don't care how, uh... infantile that sounds, that's the way of this band." "We're very predatory." "And in the bars, it was kill or be killed." "Zebra was rumored to be this killer band from New Orleans, who were just, you know, dragon slayers." "I remember the first day I saw Twisted, you know," "I'd heard about them but I hadn't met them." "And I'm expecting these crazy guys to come in and you know they just came in in their jeans and regular clothes." "Maybe a little leather or something." "But they were just dressed normal you know." "And I said, "Oh this is no big deal."" "So I remember that night the band really stepping up their game, and everybody dressing and everybody putting makeup on." "That night we're down in our dressing room and I see Dee walk out of the dressing room." "And I don't really know what it was he was wearing, but in my mind it looked like a pink neglige." "Poor Zebra, they were just sort of a prog band out of New Orleans wearing jeans and t-shirts and very talented band, but we just came out loaded for bear." "And we just destroyed them." "It was really crazy," "I mean these Southern boys were getting a real dose." "People would come to shows to watch me and Dee do this tandem ripping, but what this ripping is doing is two things-- it's not just ripping a person or a band, it's to create an atmosphere that we are the kings." "This is our world, we own this world." "We're the number one band in this world." "So we set out to destroy the Rat Race Choirs and the Good Rats and the Zebras and anybody else you threw in our path." "You know, tell us a band that's more popular than us, we're gonna go out, we're gonna swim out there, we're gonna eat them." "Dee may have gotten up every morning with the desire to blow me away or to make me eat shit or to prove how great he was-- fine." "I got up every morning thinking how am I gonna make more money by blowing away this band or that band-- fine." "We all had our own little mini-targets." "Sister was definitely the type of band where you would have to be prepared to throw down with-- when you were talking with certain people about bands and music, because there was really no middle ground with them." "People either really liked them or really hated them." "I brought a few people to see them with me and they basically went one or two times and it wasn't for them." "Some of my friends liked the band." "Some of my friends did not like the band." "Some of my friends really hated the band." "This one friend kind of decided that he thought I was really sort of losing my mind, like literally losing my mind for the fact that I would go three or four nights in a row and he-- we got in this big argument one day in front of my house." "And we literally got in a fistfight." "Like I beat him up." "People thought like what are you a fag or something?" "You follow around a bunch of guys wearing makeup and women's clothes?" "I said basically fuc-- go see 'em and judge for yourself." "I was very passionate about what I was doing." "No one shared that passion... with me and so be it." "I didn't ask anybody to." "What I was trying tell them is that you don't know what you're missing." "From February '76 to August '78 there was no time off." "Five or six days a week, every week, perfectly played, every show." "We started playing a place called Speaks, which held, I think, over 2,000 people." "And they would be like shoulder to shoulder," "I mean absolutely jam packed, and people outside waiting to get in to see the band." "It was really pretty exciting." "During this time, my drinking had gotten, like, worse and worse." "I would wake up at 2:00 in the afternoon." "But by 4:00 in the afternoon I'd be starting to drink already." "A lot of times it was kind of like hanging on, what they call white-knuckling it." "By the time I had graduated high school" "I was playing nightclubs in bands." "Doing all copy music at the time." "One day a drummer by the name of Fred Enoch said to me, he goes, "I got you an audition with a band" ""that's touring the world and making albums and everything."" ""Okay, what is it?"" "And he goes, "It's called The Dictators."" "Who?" ""The Dictators."" "Never heard of them." "He got me the album, and I looked at the cover and I was horrified." "I couldn't believe that somebody would have a guy as a singer who can't sing." "It was more like a special effect." "However I knew nothing of punk rock at the time." "I didn't know any of that existed in the city," "I never went to New York to have anything to do with the music scene there." "To make a long story short," "I spent about 2 1/2 years in The Dictators and had enough." "I left the band." "And I had become good friends with the guys in Twisted Sister." "So they said that they were doing this big summertime club tour." "They would be very busy and they needed help on the crew." "I said, "Well I'm out of a band and I'm out of work." "I'll do it, why not?"" "The summer of '78 was our big-- first really big statement summer, that we were a band to be reckoned with." "We were the house band at Speaks." "We were the house band in the Hamptons." "It was really important." "We took out a big calendar in the paper-- the Summer Of '78 Tour, we called it." "We were able to book it way in advance." "And the target was, that we would play the Calderone, the theater in Hempstead, Halloween." "I operated a theater on Long Island called the Calderone Concert Hall." "It was one of the venues we worked in." "I met the band." "We had to discuss staging, lighting, sound." "They hadn't played on a theater stage before." "Um, I worked closely with Jay Jay at the time in making all the preparations." "Jay Jay wanted to use it as a showcase to try and bring some record company people out." "The idea of the Calderone was a statement." "It was gonna be original music, and we were gonna show that we could sell out a theater." "We had no record deal." "This was important." "We had a huge line of amps to make a statement that Twisted Sister was to be reckoned with, with Black Sabbath and anybody else 'cause we are bringing the artillery." "We wanted to fit every square inch-- and by the way-- most of it was plugged in." "♪ Well, I feel like jumpin' ♪" "♪ And walk right through that door ♪" "♪ You can't stop shakin' ♪" "♪ Goin' to feet keep stomping' the floor ♪" "The show itself sold out." "We performed that night and it was an eye-opening experience." "You know, I remember coming off the stage winded and exhausted, literally having running." "Those pains like you get from running." "And I couldn't understand it." "I never had that experience before." "As it turned out we'd been on stage for over 2 1/2 hours, which was insane!" "But we had no concept." "We just put every song we knew on a piece of paper and just played them." "At the time I had done Aerosmith at Madison Square Garden" "Black Sabbath, Kiss-- many great performance bands." "And what I saw going on on that stage with that audience, was something that I could maybe have seen five times ever." "So the Calderone show comes off and the phone rings the next day." "And it's Kenny." "And he says are you sitting down?" "And I said..." ""Why?" I thought he was going to tell me he was marrying his girlfriend, Carol." "And he said," ""Well I gotta let you know that I have to leave the band."" "And I said, "What are you talking about?"" "So I finally decided to try one of these popular recovery programs." "And I started to get my brains back and started to, uh... become... sober." "It's also like a spiritual program." "So I started to think maybe there is something more out there." "So I had some friends of mine who were in the program, like in my same age group and all that, who had become believers." "Kenny, as many, you know, reformed alcoholics, they become born again." "And after several months" "I felt like I was leading a double life." "'Cause I had this thing over here, with my new Christian friends, plus I had like the band." "And I started to really think that maybe it was time to move on." "And I remember one night in Zaffy's" "Kenny brought down The Dais, his church, about a half-dozen people came in, watched the band, and he wanted their verdict on if being in Twisted Sister conflicted with him being a Christian." "And they said that," "Satan spoke through some of my songs and Jay Jay's mouth." "And, yes, it was a direct conflict and that he should leave." "And, mind you, we're still very much on course-- we are going to the mountain top." "Wait a minute!" "You're leaving the band and you're telling me you're leaving us because they told you the Devil speaks through me and Dee?" "Let me get this clear." "Dee and I don't drink." "Dee and I don't smoke." "Dee and I don't do any drugs whatsoever." "You're the alcoholic, but the Devil speaks through me and Dee." "Is that what you're saying?" "I wanna really get this straight." ""Well I know it kinda sounds weird..."" "Yeah!" "It does sound weird, Kenny!" "I don't get fucked up." "I have no idea what you're talking about." "I'm a performer." "I go out there and I do a schtick." "I do a show-- whatever." "So I try to talk him out of it." "And I'm kind of making inroads in keeping him." "So one day at Speaks, my drummer, Tony, comes in, and he's got a bandage on his arm, and I go, "What's that?"" "And he goes, "It's my new tattoo."" "And I go, "What is it?"" "and he pulls aside and it's like the demon or something." "And I'm like, "Oh great, how cliched is this?"" "And then he goes, "You know Mike Bruno, he did it." "Mike, why don't you show the band your tattoo?"" "And Bruno takes off his shirt and his entire back is the Demon." "And I'm looking at Kenny going, "You win." "I guess there's Devil worshiping."" "Fine." "You know?" "That was kinda like what are you gonna say?" "Right before Thanksgiving, we had done a Saturday night show someplace and we were all home." "And the phone rings in my house, and I'm just about falling asleep." "It's about 8:00 or 9:00 in the morning, on a Sunday morning." "And I wake up and it's Jay Jay French." "And he says to me, "Are you still looking for a band?"" "And I said, "Yes, of course."" "I said, "You know it's fun working with you guys but I'd rather be a musician."" "And he goes, "Well, I have a band for you."" "I said, "Okay, who is it?" And he goes, "Twisted Sister."" "And I said, "You know, don't play with me like that."" "And he goes, "No, no I'm serious." "Kenny quit, and we need a bass player." "Do you want it?"" "And I said, "Yeah, I'll take it," just like that." "He says, "Okay, talk to you later." Click." "And he hangs up." "Mark was very much like me." "We're closer in age." "He's a year younger than me." "We're both from suburban Long Island." "We lived only a couple of towns away from each other." "We grew up with the same suburban car guy, bike guy." "Musically we were connected to the same things." "Finally there was someone in the band who was my partner in crime." "I have to tell you, when Mark came onboard, that just completed the Dee metamorphosis." "What Kenny couldn't do, is what Mark ultimately did." "Dee's music was heavy but Kenny was finessing it." "Mark was just like strapping it on to a 747 and ramming it through a terminal." "♪ So many times you move me ♪" "♪ When I know you really care ♪" "♪ When I'm with you things are alright ♪" "♪ I know that you'll be there ♪" "♪ But I can't let you walk out that door ♪" "♪ I can't let you just say goodbye ♪" "♪ And I can't let you walk out that door ♪" "♪ I can't let you, you know I cry, I cry... ♪" "I had been now managing the band, uh, alone since we reformed in '75." "And I found that the daily grind of playing and managing became next to impossible." "He wasn't sleeping at all and he was-- it was so exhausting, he nearly had a physical breakdown." "So I said, "Do you want me to help you to find a manager?"" "And he said, "That would be great."" "I started getting in touch with people and telling them about this band, people who I thought had the management capability." "And one by one they just said, "No."" "And Jay said to me one day, "Well, why don't you do it?"" "I said, "Well, I'm not a manager." "I'm a promoter."" "And he said, "Well, you've done more for us than anyone else has." "We'll take the shot if you will."" "So I gave it some thought and, uh, went into the management business." "We never played in Manhattan... for a variety of reasons." "The clubs in Manhattan were small and they didn't pay." "They thought they were doing the bands a favor to allow you to play there." "And we thought... we were too good for them." "You know, we're not going to play for nothing in a hole." "If you look at the map, I mean, we're like what?" "We're 20 miles away from CBGBs?" "We may as well have been 1,000 miles away, right?" "There was no cross." "Occasionally our fans would saunter into the city and come back with word from the front." "Like, "Oh yeah, we were at the Mudd Club" ""or we saw this band the other night and we saw the Ramones or whatever."" "I'd go, "Yeah, how many people did they pack into that place?"" "In getting to know them in the management sphere," "I would go out to see the shows and I would realize that Long Island was sold-out engagements," "2,000 people, 500 people in line who couldn't get in." "The same in New Jersey, the same in Westchester." "They had the suburbs completely dominated." "And I felt that no one would really give them the time of day." "So the strategy I came up with was to pull them out of the scene for a period of a couple of months and then just do one show in Manhattan." "The premier spot in New York City was The Palladium." "And I think it was over 3,000 or 3,200-- it was bigger than the Calderone." "And it was right in the heart of the record industry." "So I called Ron Delsner who was a friend, but a competitor, and I said, "I have a band that I'm managing that I'd like to have play the Palladium."" "And he said, "Who are they?"" "And I said, "Twisted Sister."" "And he said, "What date do you want?"" "The show was going to go on sale on a Tuesday." "And he called me up on Tuesday afternoon and he said, "Are you advertising the show?"" "I said, "No Ronnie, it's your show." "I'm not gonna advertise your show." "Why?"" "He said, "There's 1,110 seats sold." "It went on sale at noon today, we didn't even break an ad."" "And the next day the ad broke in the "Village Voice"" "and the industry know-it-alls, who were into the cool scene, were chuckling that," ""Watch, next week it's going to say "cancelled."" "And by Thursday it was sold out." "And next week it said, "Sold Out."" "To book the Palladium, sell out the Palladium, in the heart of New York City was basically just..." "The fact that Twisted Sister sold out the Palladium with no record deal-- you know, that really cemented in everybody's mind, these guys are rock stars!" "Playing the Palladium was supposed to be the final step in the road to superstardom." "The next step being major record deal, world tour, world domination." "It had to be perfect." "It had to be right." "Staging, lighting, new costumes, rehearsals in a facility that we could do full lights, full sound, full staging." "So we had to rent SIR's biggest room." "We even rented the Palladium for a dress rehearsal the day before the show." "This is gonna be it." "Every record label's coming, and we've got blurbs in the papers-- big deal." "And then during rehearsal-- dress rehearsal at the Palladium-- catastrophe struck." "I was downstairs trying to get ready and I just, I don't even remember," "I just passed out." "I think my head hit something." "They were looking for me and I was downstairs, you know, I had a grand mal seizure." "Next thing I know I'm in an ambulance." "Man I felt like-- like I got shot out of a canon and then thrown in a gorilla cage and had an 800-pound ape beat the shit out of me." "The show got postponed." "Because they couldn't do it without me." "Man, you make plans and you take hits and it was devastating." "I mean, it was absolutely devastating." "I went for walks-- how am I gonna come back from this?" "How are we gonna come back from this?" "This was our shot, this was our chance." "Listen, you do what you do." "You pick yourself up, dust yourself off, strap the spandex back on and get back out there." "♪ They say, hey what are you doin' with your life ♪" "♪ Why don't you settle down... ♪" "Nobody wanted it to end." "We were all proud." "The band was, you know, grateful." "They were electrified." "They were exhausted." "And we got, you know, the show of a lifetime." "♪ I say ♪" "♪ I'll never grow up, I'll never grow up. ♪" "We rescheduled, the record labels, basically all the ones that were supposedly coming, didn't come." "Instead of now the heads of the AR departments being there, the audience was filled with their secretaries and their assistants." "In a month's time people looked at us with the big Marshall stacks and the costumes and the staging, and said we were passé." "We'd missed our opening." "The one person who came back interested was Epic Records-- Lennie Pizzi, the head of Epic Records." "Now Lennie, again, he had sent his secretary or his assistant, so he needed to see it for himself." "Now we can offer limousine rides to packed rooms every night." "But no, this had to be in New York City on his lunch hour on a Monday." "Here he is, the head of Epic Records wants to see the same show that we just put on at the Palladium." "We agree." "It made me ill because you know on a Monday we're off." "Monday means we have to come in Sunday night, prepare for the show." "He's gonna come in at noon or 1:00 on his lunch hour." "It's humiliating." "But we agree." "So what did we do?" "We rented SIR-- we rented all the equipment, the sound, the lights, the staging, everything-- and did a show for Lennie Pizzi at-- was it 11:00 in the morning?" "It in the... it was crack of dawn as far as Twisted Sister was concerned." "And he came in." "And the understanding was, they were going to pay us the expenses, he would pay for the show." "I think around 12:00 or 1:00, Lenny comes in, the door opens up at the back of SIR, there's one chair." "He sits down on the chair." "We play the whole Palladium show." "We finish the show, he's not there." "He tells our manager he had another meeting." "We never hear back from him." "They never paid the money for the show." "We were out of pocket even more money." "We didn't get signed and... we were derailed." "As a fan and not an insider or somebody that worked for the band or with the band, you didn't know this." "You didn't know that it was a failure, so to speak." "Because, you know, that next night they were going to be at Hammerheads or, you know, Detroit, playing again." "Judas Priest!" "Hell Bent For Leather!" "Can you get over these things?" "Kind of." "You're playing five nights a week." "You lick your wounds, yes." "You get over it, yes." "We had a luxury that most bands don't have, but it was still a kick to the solar plexus." "♪ Seek him here, seek him on the highway ♪" "♪ Never knowing when he'll appear ♪" "♪ All await, engine's ticking over ♪" "♪ Hear the roar as they sense the fear ♪" "♪ Wheels!" "♪" "♪ A glint of steel and a flash of light!" "♪" "♪ Screams!" "♪" "♪ From a streak of fire as he strikes!" "♪" "♪ Hell bent, hell bent for leather ♪" "♪ Hell bent, hell bent for leather... ♪" "I saw" " I was going someplace." "And my big stumbling block was these shithole clubs." "I fucking hated them." "They were a necessary evil." "They were hot." "They were cramped." "The stages were small." "They wouldn't allow me to do what I needed to do." "They didn't treat me like a star." "Point being" "I would really take a lot out on these clubs, and I would verbally abuse the clubs." "And if there was something wrong and something disgusting" "I would let everybody know how much I hated these clubs." "Dee would freak out at sound checks, and he'd throw people out of clubs during sound checks." "And I would have to go and talk to the bartenders and kinda cool them out." "He'd start arguments with club owners." "Maybe I'd have to shut him up." "And he was a skinny little guy with, uh, 40 pounds of hair so you're gonna sell shit from the stage?" "Wait till you get off the stage, pal." "♪ Hell bent, hell bent for leather... ♪" "I was constantly running interference for Dee's bull-headed, ridiculous behavior." "Take care you sick motherfuckers!" "But all they guys did stupid shit." "The crew did stupid stuff." "And as the manager guy who had to make the phone calls, had to book the truck, book the lighting gear." "I'll say one thing about that, because I did that every single day, because I didn't get any sleep, because I had to get up in the morning and talk to the trucking company, the lighting company," "deal with the fighting with the crew, deal with the fighting with the band, deal with the fighting with the agents, deal with the agents and the club owners," "I never could become a rock star." "I was robbed of my rock star." "And I said, "Now you get yourself a road manager that will handle these guys, I'm not gonna be there." "I don't want the calls at 3:00 in the morning when someone doesn't want to pay you, or whatever it is."" "So I brought Joe in." "So now we had Mark Puma and we had Joe Gerber." "So we had like a-- there was a support system there." "And he was pretty fried when I came in because all he did was he handed me Kevin Brenner's phone number-- the agent" "a bag of receipts, a couple of looseleaf pages of future dates, and said, "Good luck."" "And that was it." "And I sort of had to figure it out for myself." "Which was half the-- either the terror or the fun." "But you know, fear is a great motivator." "Here we go, babe!" "So licking our wounds now we go from April, May, June." "However, we did hear that there was a concert format at Adventureland Amusement Park." "And they were gonna have the biggest bands in Long Island play every Tuesday night for a month." "We rented a plane and flew it over Jones Beach" "July 4th weekend saying," ""Twisted Sister Free Concert, Adventureland."" "The week before Zebra had done about 6,000 people, I think, the promoter thought 6 or 7,000 people showed up." "I think we did, too." "I called up one of my friends and said, "Come on, free show." "How can we go wrong?" "We got some beers, get in the car, drive out there."" "We couldn't understand where the traffic was from." "Never ever expecting thousands and thousands of people." "Three to five miles in both directions." "Cars just abandoned on the side of the road." "We were so far in the back, people were on top of the buildings to watch the show." "It was a zoo." "We had a trailer to get ready in." "And I was, "So how's it looking out there?"" "And Joe was whitefaced." "He's like, "Look out the window."" "And I looked and it was an ocean, an ocean of people!" "There was not 7,000, not 10,000, not 12,000, not 15, but 22,000 people showed up." "23,000 people according to the police estimate, waiting to greet us." "The younger brothers and sisters of everybody we had ever played for" "There was a two-story office building, across the parking lot from the stage." "Kids were hanging all over it, which was dangerous 'cause there was nothing to prevent them from falling off." "We found out later there was also a ridiculously expensive microwave antenna that they had bent into the shape of a "T" and an "S."" "We laid this anti-Disco barrage to the point where kids are running to Republic Airport, painting "Disco Sucks" on the sides of planes." "We caused almost a riot and because of the damage done by our fans, we are summarily banned from all outdoor shows in Long Island from that day on." "Oops!" "You actually got up in the morning." "You ate." "A lot of times in the summer time we'd go to the beach, we'd come back, we'd eat, we'd go play, and um, we'd probably stay up the whole damn night" "and go home, fall asleep, wake up." "It was this constant five to seven nights a week playing and it was just a constant party." "Because you knew people." "You didn't know if you were going home or not, you would just end up at somebody's house and go to the next gig." "It was a lot like, um," ""Groundhog Day."" "The clubs were different, but the days became the same," "It was this repetition that went on day after day and week after week and month after month and year after year." "It was getting to the club at 3:00 in the afternoon, doing your sound check, hanging out until 10:00 at night, doing your shows, getting back home at 6:00 in the morning," "waking up at 1:00 in the afternoon, taking a shower, doing the whole thing over again." "Week after week after week, you play the same songs, three sets, four sets a night." "And into Tuesday, into Wednesday, into Thursday, into Friday, into Saturday." "I would just count down the songs in the set-- five, four..." "Until you collapse Saturday night at 6:00am." "Sunday morning you slept all day." "You had-- your relationships with your girlfriends fell apart because you had no energy." "One day off, two days off and back again." "I did that for years!" "You know I used to come home some nights and think," ""Man, this is never gonna end."" "Like this is just a bad dream." "I would craw into a tub every morning!" "I would crawl out of bed, I couldn't talk." "And then I'd crawl right into a tub." "And I'd just fall into a bathtub-- a 20-something-year-old guy-- and soak in a hot tub to get my body loosened up so I could go do it again!" "We came onstage at the time that we were contracted to go onstage-- because this is the discipline we have as a professional band." "We played until we couldn't play anymore," "We collapsed onstage until there was nothing left." "But!" "It felt so good." "It's a joke, it felt so good when I stopped." "I alwa" " I loved the achievement of having blown away a crowd." "This incredible desire to prove to the paying public that we were the greatest live band you could ever see." "And that we are going to drain us, and in the process, you, of all energy in order to convince you." "I guess it's like any athlete, or a runner or anybody who excels, you know?" "Like, you can't be victorious unless you're willing to-- if it was easy everybody'd be doing it." "This one's our single!" ""I'll Never Grow Up Now!"" "♪ They say, You better stop your dreamin' ♪" "♪ You're goin' nowhere fast... ♪" "A girl comes up during sound check and says to me," ""My mother told me that Eddie Kramer is going to come and see you."" "And I went, "Eddie Kramer..."" "Eddie Kramer..." "Like, there's only one Eddie Kramer I know, you know he's the super famous producer/engineer guy for Hendrix and Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones." "That Eddie Kramer?" "♪ You're lookin' like a slob... ♪" "What are the chances?" "I said to everyone that Eddie Kramer supposed to be coming." "Yeah, right, sure, Eddie Kramer's coming to Detroit." "Yeah, right, sure." "Well, lo and behold, it's raining that night, there's 100 people in the room." "Eddie Kramer comes in." "Sees the band, loves it, says, "Let's do a production deal."" "So this is our next thing." "We're gonna sign with Eddie Kramer, we're gonna do songs, we're gonna get into a studio, we're gonna make a demo." "♪ Why don't you listen to the music we're playing?" "♪" "♪ Go pick on somebody else... ♪" "We didn't have big budgets on this, we had to quickly go in and record these things like "I'll Never Grow Up" and "Under The Blade,"" "and "Shoot 'Em Down."" "We were with Eddie Kramer." "It was like a big deal." "Man, Eddie Kramer..." "Wow, how huge is that, right?" "And he's a dear friend, and remains so to this day, but he couldn't get us a deal." "He could not get us a deal." "We kinda came to this conclusion that if he can't get us a deal, let's at least press up our own records and put it out on Twisted Sister Records." "And at least use them for commercials on radio and sell some-- something-- give them away-- just say we made a record." "We needed to have us and the word "record" kinda being said together." "The reason we put out singles, was to keep the excitement about the band, show the record companies that we could release something that sold." "Because our singles sold out all the time." "We were amazed at how many we'd sell." "And I don't think it still fazed the record companies." "I don't think it fazed them at all." "On top of everything else," "I think we started to suffer a drop-off in our following in some of the clubs." "We had gone and pushed further out into other areas, working extra hard in some of the outlying areas to build new markets, and we let some of our regular markets soften." "We needed something to take it to the next summer." "And Dee said, "Well, I have this new song called 'Bad Boys Of Rock 'n' Roll' and let's-- maybe we can have the Bad Boys Summer of 1980."" "This one's our new single, gonna be in the stores on June 4th-- called the "Bad Boys Of Rock 'n' Roll!"" "Dee threw down the gauntlet and said," ""Let's focus in on making new costumes, new stage set, new everything."" "And we can focus in on the next assault in the bars." "I do feel that the "Bad Boys" was really the solidification of my creative control." "I was basically given carte blanche, and the band accepted all my ideas, and seemed to welcome them and support them." "So we really rose to the occasion." "We went up to a studio in White Plains called Minot and recorded "Bad Boys" single, and Memorial Day weekend we hit the mark, took the ads out in the paper, Twisted Sister Bad Boys 1980." "New stage set, new clothes, new songs, new promotion and bang!" "♪ Now us boys we're annoying you ♪" "♪ Well, we're sorry to be in your way ♪" "♪ You can't stand anything we do ♪" "♪ Well, what would you like us to say?" "♪" "♪ We just want to enjoy our lives ♪" "♪ And have fun with all that we do ♪" "♪ We're just having a good time, so let down your guard ♪" "♪ And if you don't like it, fuck you ♪" "♪ We're the bad boys of rock and roll ♪" "♪ Mad boys out of control ♪" "♪ Bad boys of rock and roll... ♪" "So I think "Bad Boys" was an attempt to give everybody something fresh to look at, and something to motivate everybody, including the band." "That's when we became a record company, merch company, Twisted Incorporated." "Everything tied together, 'cause we couldn't rely on anybody else, and really rebuilt ourselves." "And that's where we really started expanding-- posters" "Now Appearing!" "Records in the stores, radio spots, everything you would expect from a national act." "They were playing us on a Thursday and doing the business, and playing Staten Island on a Friday and doing the business, and Queens or Jersey on a Saturday and doing the business." "I think they played, if I'm not mistaken, from Wednesday to Sunday." "And every night it was the same thing, they would do business." "Check this one out we're going to do for you" ""Rock 'n Roll Saviors!"" "The closing of Hammerheads in Levittown was actually the beginning of rock destruction period of Twisted Sister." "We show up at the club and we're told the club is going out of business that night-- that it's over, it's done." "They're gonna move into another location and that the club owners and the landlord hate each other." "And the club owners have told us to tell our fans that they can do whatever they want." "They hate the landlord." "They don't care, destroy the room." "Take anything." "So our fans start taking." "What do they take?" "They take the urinals." "They take the toilets." "They take the toilet stalls." "They take the fire alarm." "They take everything out of-- they're ripping the club physically apart." "I remember the bathroom being-- the walls being leveled, just coming out and seeing water and a bowl, and the sinks were gone." "I heard somebody's ear was ripped off-- it was just pandemonium!" "♪ We're the rock 'n' roll saviors ♪" "♪ Rock 'n' roll we will defend ♪" "And the last thing left, at 4:00 in the morning, is the air conditioning system." "And at 3:55, someone reaches up and pulls the entire false ceiling down." "The entire air conditioning system cracks." "The water pipe cracks." "The room fills with water." "We scream, "Get out!"" "All I know is that they stopped playing, and I turned around and the ceiling of the club was basically on the floor." "How much did I break?" "I was onstage playing, I couldn't break anything." "I wanted to." "♪ But Disco is dead, it was dead ♪" "♪ Well, baby, it's dead ♪" "♪ Dead, dead, dead... ♪" "During the Bad Boys tour, we had the opportunity to close, or re-christen, the 2001 Disco." "Uh, which was very significant, very symbolic, being the nightclub that John Travolta danced his legendary dance in "Saturday Night Fever."" "The club owner said, "You have your fans come in" ""and basically exorcize Disco from our room and turn it into a rock club."" "Elmo, turn all the lights on!" "This sign was the original sign used when they made all the posters for "Saturday Night Fever!"" "Let's give it the salute, ladies and gentlemen!" "It's time to ring out the old, and bring in the new!" "'Cause we got something to say about that!" "Sick motherfucker!" "That's what we are!" "Fuck "Saturday Night Fever!"" "Now I ask to sing with us like this-- everybody now!" "That destruction of the club, led to a phone call from another club owner who said," ""I'm getting out of my contract." "I don't care, have your fans come and destroy the room."" "And he took out advertisements-- 'Emmett's RIP" " Rest In Peace."" "What are we?" "The destruc-- uh, we come in," ""Alright this is the last night, take what you want!"" "The fans dismantle that room." "2000 Disco?" "Dismantle that room." "Soap Factory in Jersey-- which was the last one." "Does anybody want to hear us play music?" "To me that stuff was schticky, it was fun, it brought people in, definitely." "But I knew it wasn't the kind of thing that was gonna make Twisted Sister world famous." "It needed to be more about the band, more about the music." "It needed to incorporate these ideas and focus them." "The Sick Motherfucking Friends of Twisted Sister was officially developed around the Bad Boys time, with membership cards, and a welcoming letter." "Our friends know that we refer to our friends as the Sick Motherfuckers, you see?" "That's because we're sick motherfuckers." "So what we did is we started an organization, rather than calling it the Twisted Sister Fan Club, 'cause that sounds like pussy shit, you know what I'm saying?" "I'm a Twisted Sister Fan, ooh!" "That's bullshit." "We call it the Sick Motherfucking Friends of Twisted Sister!" "I gotta lot of grief from people, like you know, "You like them?" "!"" "And I think the band turned that to their advantage, you know?" "You're one of us." "You're a dirtbag." "You're a biker." "You're an S.M.F., you know." "You're one of us!" "And it banded people together." "I had a hatred for all the kind of people who would look down at me with disdain." "I dealt with them my whole life." "And discovered that there was more of the "mes" in the world than there was of the cool people." "The whole S.M.F. thing is about all these people coming together and finding each other... and creating "cool" where none exists." "If you wanna clap and shout, clap and shout!" "If you wanna jump up and down and go out of your fuckin' mind, go out of your fuckin' mind!" "'Cause it doesn't fuckin' matter!" "It doesn't matter what other people think, the only thing that fucking matters is what you fucking think!" "And if you like what you are, fuck everybody!" "The beautiful people." "The beautiful people, the cool people, and the together people, they are the minority." "The majority of us are just regular Joes and Janes." "And we're made to feel less than everybody else-- not in Twisted Sister's world." "I would sit at home and consider, okay, I could go out with my friends to a bar in the area five miles away and see some other band, or drive 40 miles through the snow to go see Sister," "you know, at Emmett's down in Jamesburgh." "And for me it was an easy decision." "Rain, snow, sleet, hail, didn't matter." "We're just going!" "We're getting in the car." "We got pot." "We got beer money." "We got money to get in." "We're taking it to Detroit!" "We've had cars break down." "We've had to leave cars there and basically had to pile seven people in a Firebird to drive home." "And it was still well worth the trip." "Let's just say I would go on average three nights a week." "Maybe four." "I remember a large part of that audience coming from Farmingdale, Long Island." "And Farmingdale, Long Island is a good three and a half hours away from the Final Exam." "I wouldn't go to Farmingdale." "Maybe to see Sinatra, but that's about it." "And for a kid from Jersey there was always this two-river rule." "I mean you would cross one river into Manhattan, but crossing two rivers into Long Island, that meant it was too far away." "And we'd go and get hammered and come outside, you know after the show, and get in the car and pass out and in the morning wake up and drive home." "A lot of times I'd get dropped off right at work." "Basically wash my face, work eight hours, sleep a couple of hours and do the whole thing over again." "You're laughing." "That's what we did." "If you like what we're doing, show us you like what we're doing, motherfucker!" "Or if you don't want to do that, you can turn around, get off your fucking ass, and get the fuck outta here, and go someplace else where you'll be more appreciated 'cause we couldn't give two shits about you!" "I started becoming the angry guy, that was my thing on stage." "Jay Jay was the storyteller, the sort of laid back kind of guy, you know." "But I was the one who was getting angry with the audience, and yelling at the audience, and tearing people apart in the audience." "♪ He spent his life a silent sentinel ♪" "♪ For all to fear ♪" "♪ He walks, he talks, he thinks, he feels ♪" "♪ But no one dare go near ♪" "♪ He takes in all he sees ♪" "♪ Nothing escapes his gaze ♪" "♪ And when he strikes ♪" "♪ He strikes for right, a glorious sight ♪" "♪ Destroyer, destroyer, he's in town... ♪" "I equated Jay Jay with being a preacher." "He could get people crying and screaming." "He had a gift of gab." "He was like a preacher." "Dee wasn't so much like a preacher," "Dee was like a devil." "You know." "If you didn't, he would kill you." "He used to pick on people that would stand there, you know," ""Oh I'm not going to get into Twisted Sister." "I'm too cool."" "That was it." "Dee put his sights on those people and we turned the lights on them and they got torn to pieces." "If you were that one guy who was just standing there." " He got you." " Yeah." " Definitely got you." " We were very diligent that we were going out of-our-minds crazy at all times." "So Dee didn't catch us yawning, or like not going crazy once." "If he looked our direction, we were like whaa!" "♪ A day will come ♪" "♪ You'll be drawn into the center of your town ♪" ""Yeah, you back there!" "I wanna see you putting your hands together!"" "And if they didn't respond favorably, then Dee would invite the rest of the audience to admonish them, by turning around, face that guy in the back of the room there, and at the count of three we want you to scream," ""Get the fuck out!"" ""Get the fuck out!" "Get the-- and you'd be" "The sound would be deafening." ""Get the fuck out!" "Get the--"" "These people would literally-- you'd see them start to crawl into a corner because now everybody's looking at them, the band is making fun of them," "I mean after three or four minutes of it they would just be crushed." "You better stay out of it's fuckin' way." "It's gonna kick your ass." "Yeah!" "I was getting everybody in a place to react by threatening them." "But they were afraid, not just of me, but of the people around them." "That if you didn't respond, that this very intense crowd might turn on them." "Sort of a "Day Of The Locust" kinda moment." "So people in the audience, though I was getting 100% participation, their hearts weren't truly in it." "They were just scared." "You had the Mad Hatter in Stonybrook." "You had Hammerheads in Levittown." "You had Gemini in Yorktown Heights." "Then the next level above that was your Speaks." "Speaks was the pinnacle 'cause it held 2,000 people." "And you'd start doing that." "When the new Hammerheads opened, the hierarchy of rooms was as follows-- Long Island Hammerheads II," "3,300 people." "Glen Island Casino, 3,300 people." "And then as much as the Soap Factory could hold, 2,500 on multiple floors, the big daddy was the Fountain Casino." "5,000 people." "If you could headline these rooms, you were the biggest bands." "So by 1981 we had finally reached our goal, and not only were we headlining each of them, we were outdrawing everybody else." "We were the number one draw at the Fountain." "We were the number one draw at Glen Island." "We were the number one draw at Hammerheads." "And where did that leave us?" "If we didn't get out, we were gonna die." "The bands in this particular market were making so much money that it was very difficult for them to even try to branch out, say go to California, go to L.A." "There was no point-- they'd go to L.A." "They'd probably have to pay to play." "Where in this market they were making three, five, seven thousand dollars a night." "Twisted was making ten thousand in some places." "It was insane!" "You could make so much money-- in some cases-- on this circuit, that a lot of people viewed it as succeeding on this circuit was an end to itself." "I'd have to call it the "velvet noose."" "Where, you know, it would be very comfortable but you'd still hang at the end." "You could definitely fall into a situation where this is never gonna end, you know?" "I mean who would have sat down at a table and said, what if the drinking age changes?" "'Cause for me that's what happened." "That killed it." "I mean, when the drinking age came in, then you had the younger kids that might have been into it, they couldn't go to the clubs anymore." "I know that the chunk of people, right, from 18 to 21," "I can't imagine how many that is in a three-year span that cannot come to a nightclub, cannot go into a bar, cannot go into a liquor store." "I was born and raised in Brooklyn, like I said before, so I was always 18." "And at 18 that means you were drinking at 16." "So the rock scene started to die a little bit." "It started to die." "And the clubs couldn't afford the bands like Twisted Sister or Zebra or Rat Race, but they needed those bands." "Because they couldn't survive without them." "We would sit down and book for six months." "And we would say give us Twisted every six weeks 'cause we need to pay the rent." "So we knew that Twisted was in there, you would have a packed night, the registers are gonna ring, and you're gonna pay the rent from them!" "The money we made was put back consistently into the gear, into demos, and into advertising." "And the advertising part" "I cannot discount because the advertising part is what gave the world the idea that Twisted Sister was everywhere." "♪ You're cornered in the alley way ♪" "♪ You know you're all alone ♪" "♪ You know it's gonna end this way ♪" "♪ The chill goes to the bone ♪" "♪ Now here it comes that glistening light ♪" "♪ It goes into your side ♪" "♪ Blackness comes, Tonight's the night ♪" "♪ Blade is gonna ride ♪" "♪ 'Cause you're under the blade, ohh ♪" "♪ You're under the blade... ♪" "We were at the media capital of the world, New York City, and we didn't have a record deal." "But we could buy radio time." "Airplay, which is really what, in those days, completely drove everything in the music business" "FM airplay-- was beyond our abilities." "So what we tried to do to fill the hole was create hits." "So what did we do?" "We started buying air time with the clubs." "We would buy 30, 40, 50-- 30-second or one-minute spots on a weekend," "So what do you get for your 30 bucks a minute?" "Well you can write a really cute spot, or you can take your own music and play it for the entire minute and just tag the beginning and the end of the commercial with Twisted Sister playing Speaks, and it sounds like Twisted Sister's song is on the radio." "So a lot of people thought that our songs were being played on the radio when in fact in was just the constant drumbeat of commercials." "And everybody heard these commercials." "When Twisted would, say, you know, would've played" ""Bad Boys of Rock 'n' Roll"-- whatever it may be, the song they played-- people would go crazy because it was like a cover song that they heard on the radio." "And they did hear it on the radio!" "We were the poster children for the unsignable act." "And people would say all kinds of derogatory things about us based on the circuit that we played, without ever having seen us." "It was tough getting a deal." "You know the labels that we wanted weren't as interested." "The labels that came to the table, were one's that-- you'd make a deal with, you'd shake hands and everything." "And then like you'd never hear from them again." "Now we were lowering our sights to indies." "I remember the Handshake deal." "When we got the contracts, they were basically indentured servitude." "Literally, the guy took everything and we would just like, uh, some sort of salary." "And we had to say, "No."" "There were things floating around." "But the Hansa or Handshake deal did not work out." "But the deal with this German company, X, did." "And this guy loved our stuff and we negotiated an entire record deal with him." "A whole deal." "And in the spring of '81, he was flying from L.A. to New York back to Germany." "And we met him at the airport and we handed the final papers to him." "We gave him the new demos." "He handed us the final contracts." "And we thought this was our deal." "And then I get a phone call the next day." "My lawyer said, "Are you sitting down?"" ""Yes, why?" He said, "Well the record producer collapsed on the plane flying to Germany." "He had a heart attack."" "Deal's over." "Bang." "Everybody says how hard it is to get a deal now." "It's always been hard to get a deal." "There's always been some reason-- they're always been something wrong with the economy." "This is the way the world is." "I mean, you know, do you give up?" "No." "You don't give up." "You keep going till it happens." "Or you die trying." "Twisted Sister put out the "I'll Never Grow Up" single." "Initially Joe Gerber would sell them out of the trunk of his car, you know to local stores in the Tri-State area, where they played, where they would get sold, at gigs." "And I was working for Important Record Distributors." "And I thought it was a good idea, 'cause I loved the band so much to try to get the distributor to sell them outside the New York metro area." "So it was like, eh, this rinky-dink single... why are we messing?" "Nobody cared." "So, working for a record distributor that dealt with import music, it wasn't just records, you'd get all the music papers-- "New Musical Express,"" ""Sounds," "Melody Maker," which were all weekly music papers." ""Sounds" was geared a little more hard rock." "So I sent some singles over to "Sounds" magazine, wrote a little handwritten letter, "This is the biggest, greatest bar band in New York." "Next superstar--" whatever I wrote." "Lo and behold, three or four weeks later," "Twisted Sister's in the chart." "Wow!" "This is great!" "Next week, they're on the chart again." "All of a sudden, at the distributor, we weren't selling the singles to people in America, but we were exporting the singles-- started exporting them to Europe, to Britain!" "Because there was a demand over there." "What you had in "Sounds,"" "you had the personal playlists of the writers, which every week we'd pick three songs that we were listening to." "And they might be three songs that were actually released." "With me as often or not it was a demo tape." "Or sometimes you'd even put a track you'd seen live." "It wasn't scientific." "It was utterly populist." "We felt it was our way of directly communicating with the readers." "And there a lot of readers back then, you know what I mean?" ""Sounds" at the time was close to a quarter of a million sales, so the readership was probably four times that." "So even if one in ten of them took notice of the playlist, that's still enough people to go out and make something happen." "We get a phone call saying that "Sounds" magazine in England, has this playlist, and one of the writers has put "Under The Blade"" "as his number one song on his personal playlist." "In a real newspaper, in a music paper that's not a Long Island paper!" "It's actually not even an American paper!" "It's an English paper!" "They don't know us." "They don't know anything about us." "Nothing." "And we contact "Sounds"" "and they send a writer, Garry Bushell." "So I'd gone down to some godforsaken hole in, um, Westchester-- Westchester state." "And it was awesome!" "Seeing Twisted Sister and their audience, in what we'd have called a spit and sawdust pub, like a rough, rough old club." "And they were like proper wild people-- the audience-- they were really going for it." "Twisted Sister, I mean they had the glam look, but because they were so big and so butch, they looked like dockers in drag." "They weren't like pretty boys at all." "It was like Cinderella's ugly sisters having a convention." "It was shocking!" "And he writes this unbelievable story called "Sister Sledgehammer."" "And, you know, talk about wanting to get pulled off this iceberg-- this thing gets published in '81," "I can't believe it, what could possibly happen?" "The next thing you hear is that this label called Secret Records-- a punk label-- wants to sign the band." "Our manager tells us he's flying in to see us at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center." "We're headlining and, um, you know?" "This is how cynical we are." "I said, the guy's plane'll crash before it lands." "But even if it lands, he'll die in a car crash on the way up to the gig." "But even if he does get there, the P.A. will fall on his head." "But even if we're great, he will die on the ride back to the airport." "But even if he lives, he will die when the plane crashes into the sea when the I.R.A. bomb blows it up." "I took my girlfriend, and we'd been to a party the night before and we hadn't slept." "And we caught a redeye out there and didn't sleep." "And we got there and we were just a mess." "And uh, Mark picked us up and, uh, with all the best will in the world," "Mark can talk Olympic level." "And he just talked my ear off all the way out to Poughkeepsie." "And Poughkeepsie" "I'd never even heard of Poughkeepsie, and it's in the middle of nowhere and there was thick snow." "I was just hallucinating, I was so tired." "And, uh, we got there and the venue was...huge." "I was kind of expecting a small club." "And it was just like a big hall." "And we get in there and there was a couple of thousand people." "And I'm thinking, "This is crazy!"" "This is a band who haven't got a record deal, how are they doing this?" "And the reaction from the kids was spectacular." "I mean they were just going crazy." "So, uh, I looked across at my girlfriend and she's loving it." "And I'm thinking, "We can do something with this." "This is brilliant."" "At the end of the show I went backstage to see the band and, uh, they were sitting around a table." "And they'd got more money on this table than I'd ever seen in my life." "In cash, piles of it from the merchandising." "And all the merchandising had arrived in a big lorry, and it was going out completely empty," "I think there was a torn poster in the bottom." "And, uh, and I'm looking at this thinking," ""Crap!" "I'm never going to be able to afford this band!"" "And one of them turned round and said," ""Hey man, you gotta sign us." "We're really cheap!"" "So he shows up." "He loves the band." "He says the band, he wants to sign us." "We don't react at all." "We were just sort of like, eh, okay." "It was like, you know, I think Martin Hooker, his name was, he was like," ""I just said I want to sign the band."" "And Mark Puma was like," ""Yeah, they've kinda heard this a few times before." ""Don't worry, they'll perk up when they actually are on the plane."" "Come on, baby!" "It's time to tear it loose!" "♪ There ain't no way I'm gonna wait for Saturday night ♪" "♪ I worked all day, I slaved away, I gotta set it right ♪" "♪ Gonna hit the streets, cruise around ♪" "♪ I gotta find some action ♪" "♪ Ain't gonna stop until I drop or get some satisfaction ♪" "Unfortunately there were some problems with our drummer Tony Petrie, and, uh... he left the band." "He was asked to leave the band in other words." "There was a lot of things kinda leading up to it with violence, just kinda like aggressive and violent behavior, you know." "It was hard on everybody." "♪ Gonna tear it loose, tear it loose ♪" "We went through a series of drummers." "We had Joey Brighton and then we had Ritchie Teeter fill in temporarily till we found somebody." "Everybody that we tried was competent, you know?" "Good players, but it just-- for some reason-- wasn't gelling," "And then the minute we tried A.J. Pero," "I knew instantly." "I looked at Dee and he looked at me, and we went like, "Oh yeah!"" "Everybody!" "On the drums, A.J. Pero!" "It was like I was the missing link." "I was what they needed." "I was the power." "I was the extra charge, you know?" "Load 'em, boom!" "We sign the deal." "We do our farewell concert in the New York area in June." "Six years we've been working, playing, busting our ass, playing for every sick motherfucker on Long Island," "New York, New Jersey, Connecticut!" "Working our balls off to get us a record deal so we could become what we were meant to be-- the biggest, heaviest, most kick-ass rock 'n' roll band in the world!" "And now the time has come." "This is our last performance before we leave Friday night to fly to England to record our first album." "And you all made it possible, that's right!" "Making "Under The Blade" for Secret Records in England." "We recorded it on a farm down in southern England in a small town called Battle." "We stayed in a 16th century hotel that was haunted and recorded most of the album in a barn." "Our baffles to keep the sound in were bales of hay." "Okay?" "Chickens running around." "They say that when I played my bass for that album, the hens laid the most eggs and the cows gave the most milk that they ever did." "It was good fun just being away." "Sometimes when you're away and recording, that's all you're there to do." "So there's no distractions, you know, you can't get a call from home like," ""Listen, the faucet broke can you come out and--"" "Deal with it!" "You know, deal with it." "Like, "Oh your brother hit me!"" "You know like..." "I... you know, it's like," ""I can't." "I'm in England."" "Motorhead was headlining a festival in Wales, the Wrexham Festival." "And we were down, "From USA Twisted Sister."" "And it was our first gig east of the Hamptons." "And we were going on, I don't know, probably about noon?" "Beyond that, makeup bands were completely out of vogue." "There was not just a resistance, but there was hatred for glam bands." "And here's Twisted Sister-- full makeup." "KISS had taken their makeup off, mind you, at this point." "This is-- nobody-- there is no Motley Crue." "This is Twisted Sister carrying the torch for glitter rock... going on before Motorhead, one of the nastiest, ugliest looking bands in the world, the joke would be that you'd rather have sex with the guys in their crowd than the girls" "they were way prettier." "And that doesn't mean they're pretty." "And they're tough." "And they're angry." "Uh, and we weren't really sure how it was gonna go over all of a sudden." "The band was terrified-- and... to the point where there was discussion on taking the make-up and costumes off." "And, uh, the guys wanted to go on in street clothes." "And I said "I am not doing this." "We have worn this make-up and costumes for seven years now, six and a half years?"" "I said, "We're through-- I've fought for this, we have..." "I'm as scared as anyone else but I'm not" "I didn't come this far to back down."" "I always joked that Lemmy knew the smell of human excrement." "As he walked past our dressing room door he smelled people shitting in their pants." "And he came in and said, "I'll bring you on."" "Nobody knew who we were." "And all of a sudden we're on stage and it was like "Night Of The Living Dead."" "I mean, people that were sitting get up, and they're looking, and they're walking towards us like..." "I swear you could see the people's bottles going back like this, they were ready to start throwing shit, and Lemmy stepped out and said" "I'm translating, 'cause you can't understand Lemmy, but "These are some friends of mine, give them a listen." "From America, give them a listen."" "And that just gave us space enough to go out there and do what we did." "And we just tore it the fuck up." "Blew everybody away." "It was one of the great ovations of... my life." "After we went off stage, and we went back into the dressing room, which was a locker, and ten minutes after we were offstage, someone said "Listen."" "And you could hear the crowd still chanting, "Twisted..." "Sister..." "Twisted..." "Sister..." "Twisted..."" "I gave up on the idea of wanting to be a rockstar around the time I heard the first Van Halen record, and decided I needed to switch sides of the desk." "So I figured I needed to find a band." "So I discovered Zebra through a remarkable string of synchronicities and all sorts of other stuff." "And Randy Jackson, who was the singer from Zebra, says to me one day he goes," ""Flom, you gotta see Twisted Sister."" "He says, "They're the best live band in the world." "We can't touch them, nobody can."" "So I said, "Well, great I wanna see them."" "He said, "Well we're opening for them on Wednesday, at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center in Poughkeepsie."" "The Mid-Hudson Civic Center holds 3,000 people." "I was like, first of all it's weird that Zebra's opening when Zebra's signed and Twisted Sister is not, and second of all that's a big place." "So I drove up there on a Wednesday." "Zebra played, polite applause." "And when Twisted Sister took the stage, these 3,000 people were erupting." "And Dee gets up onstage and he says," ""Alright you New York motherfuckers!"" "He says, "We just came back from bloody fucking England and we're sick and fucking tired of hearing those limeys telling us how good we are!"" "He says, "What do you New York motherfuckers have to say?" "!"" "And all 3,000 kids go, "Twisted Fucking Sister!"" "And I was like, that's it." "I'm done." "I don't care." "That's it." "This is religion." "And it was." "And they played and I just was out of my mind," "I couldn't wait to get to the office the next day to tell everybody what I'd seen." "The reaction was, "You need sleep."" "And uh, I did, but..." ""This band is a joke and everybody in the Industry knows about them." "They're idiots." "They dress in girls clothes and it's not anything you need to be involving yourself with."" "And my thought was, I should go see them again tonight at the Fountain Casino in New Jersey, which was almost two hours in the other direction." "So sleep deprived and probably pretty messed up," "I wound up down at the Fountain Casino." "And it was the same thing." "And I just went, this is as real as it can be!" "The kids are giving me the road map." "I loved it anyway," "I loved their music, but I didn't care if I loved it because I saw the excitement with the kids." "And I went, I can market this." "This works." "There's no question about it." "So back I went to the office to be met with the same response." "And tepid would be too nice of a word." "The response was, "Get the fuck out of here!" "We're not signing this." "It's shit!"" "So it was part of the idea to get them in front of as many people as possible." "We managed to get them on the Reading Festival, which was the great gig for rock bands in those days," "I mean you have 70 or 80,000 people in one hit." "Good evening!" "Welcome to our show!" "The Reading Festival was legendary for the fans pelting." "People would throw stuff at the bands." "This one's called "Shoot 'Em Down!"" "There was 40,000 people at Reading." "There was 10,000 people that liked you and 30,000 that didn't." "So every band that went on had their 10,000 and the 30,000 that didn't." "And they all had fruit." "You know it was peaches and pears and apples and bananas and Kotex and bottles of piss!" "And, I mean, not small bottles, big fucking bottles!" "And just enough cap, so it went end over end till it hit something, and bang!" "There was just waves of stuff coming over." "And Dee says," ""Whoa!" "Stop, stop!"" "Walked to the front and said..." "There's some wimps throwing things at us." "Pussies." "I was furious at the stuff being thrown." "I was mad." "I was dead serious and I said." "All the people who wanna throw something at Twisted Sister, after the show, meet us back there-- all of you," "I don't care-- and then you can tell us we suck to our face." "You can try and throw something at my face." "But don't be a wimp." "Don't throw something and hit people down here in the front, okay?" "Just come on down!" "We're ready!" "Are you ready?" "!" "And it completely changed the whole thing." "There was no throwing after that, people were cheering." "And they ended up stealing the whole show." "I went over to the side of the stage to see if anybody-- just in case anybody wanted to fight me." "So I went over and there was no." "Just fans, "We're with you, Dee!"" "Everyone was ready for a dust-up but nobody-- nobody was-- there was no takers." "We had won the day." "So we're sitting back there and just marveling about the amount of stuff that was thrown at the band." "We'd never experienced that before." "We had this big Scottish guy working for us and he goes like," "I can't believe that someone threw a shite!" "And we go like-- Dee said what?" "I can't believe that someone threw a shite!" ""A shite?"" "He goes, "A shit!" "Somebody threw a shit on the stage!"" "As hate filled as I am, could I actually pick up a human shit and throw it?" "And then, where do you get it?" "Did someone make it?" "Is it yours?" "Is it-- do you save it for later?" "Do you buy it at the-- is there a shite stand, you know, or a shit stand?" "Can I have some shit I can hurl at the band?" "Steamy hot please, with some chili on top." "I'm just trying to picture the-- what-- how this got to the point to where it's actually on the stage." "But yes, somebody threw human shit at the band." "That's-- that's-- you really gotta hate a band to do that." "When we came back, it was a triumphant return, and, uh, played for I think it was a couple of months when we were supposed to go back and release the record there and have a mini-tour." "We planned to bring them over to do another big tour and really get stuck in with lots of consecutive dates that would get to a massive audience, and..." "We'd just done a deal with Virgin so that distribution was gonna be great." "We'd got a huge advance." "So there was a lot of money in the bank ready to do it all." "Basically we come home, and we take out more ads." "Twisted Sister Big Tour of Europe." "Thank you so much." "Goodbye, New York." "It's been great, blah blah blah." "And we say, "Farewell, Long Island." "Farewell, New Jersey." "Thank you for 10 amazing years." "We're off to see the wizard." "We're outta here." "Thank you, goodnight." "'Cause this is it!" "We're goin'!" "We're goin' to England." "And as you send us off into the wild blue yonder, let us know how you feel about rock 'n' roll." "Now get ready!" "Are you ready?" "When we released the record it went straight into the national chart." "It was top 75 first week." "And to do that out of the box, that's not easy." "And particularly for a metal record in those days." "Get ready to leave for Europe, September of '82." "And my lawyer calls me." ""You sitting down?"" ""Yeah."" ""Secret Records went bankrupt."" ""You're kidding."" ""No." "The album came out and the label went bankrupt the next day."" "It just disappeared overnight." "My partner disappeared with the money, and along with it went my company." "And I was left with-- uh, less than nothing and, uh, the band were left with no tour." "So we can't play because we've now told everybody we're on tour." "So we can't play." "So we don't." "We hide out in our homes for, like, two months." "That was a long, cold winter." "Somewhere around the 50th time" "I was told to shut up about Twisted Sister." "I was called into the office of the president of Atlantic Records, Doug Morris." "I was told that if I ever mentioned the name Twisted Sister again," "I'd be fired from my job." "So this was a problem." "And so the solution that I found was-- one day I saw a guy named Phil Carson in the office." "I didn't know him, but I knew he was a really important guy." "And, uh, he was from England, from our English company." "And I thought maybe he'll help me." "So I accosted him in the hallway." "And I had a cassette made." "And I had a bunch of handwritten sheets of paper, 'cause I didn't know how to type." "And I said, "Phil you don't know me, you gotta help me, man." "This is like, this is the answer." "You gotta sign these guys."" "And he hands me this manilla envelope and I put it in my bag." "And off I went to get in my first class seat and sip my first class champagne." "And after the flight took off I thought," ""Oh I'll have a listen to little Jason's tape."" "And first of all I pull out this handwritten memo from Jason to me, and it must have been on 12 pages of stenographer paper with very small writing." "And I look at it, and I'm not gonna wade through this." "And then I pull out the picture of this band that he had." "And they were this group dressed in women's clothing!" "Oh, my God, you know?" "!" "So I put the whole thing in an air sick trash bag and never listened to the tape and threw it away." "There was no place left to go." "At this point, after taking it this far for 10 years, it had reached the end." "We had exhausted our markets in the U.S." "We had created all this hype in the U.K." "that we were about to not be able to cash in on and ruin our reputation there." "We were about to blow our reputation on two continents." "And we're sitting there freaking out going," ""What are we gonna do?" "What the hell are we gonna do?"" "And our manager said, "You know what?" "You laid this groundwork in England." "You had this record deal with Secret that didn't work out." "Maybe we can something over in England."" "Somehow the label, before they went tits up, had managed to finagle an appearance for us on a live television show called "The Tube."" "I don't remember there being a major discussion other than it was a unique opportunity, and we hope we can use it to generate some interest to push us, you know, to a get a new deal, or something, you know?" "We had nothing else." "We're stuck over here." "We've gotta get over there." "It's really-- it's the only thing that makes sense." "But how do we do it?" "We need money." "So we go to friends and family, as much as we can, and get a small amount, but it's nowhere near enough." "And so Jay Jay and I go to-- I believe it was-- three clubs that we have very good relationships with." "Tough guys, tough guys." "Some of whom were people who I think had lent money, cash money before." "But not under these terms." "Under the "listen we'll give it back to you" ""if everything works right." "Otherwise we'll just-- we'll play a few dates for you for free."" "You know, we were friends with them." "You know after a while you're dealing with somebody for, you know, a couple of years-- we were friends with them." "They asked us to lend them some money to carry them over and, uh, we helped them out." "We flew ourselves over like in a cattle car." "It wasn't even coach." "There was first class, business class, coach, and then where you put the dogs." "That's where we were." "The week before Christmas we finally make it to England to do "The Tube" on live British television." "Well, hello and good evening to "The Tube."" "This evening we're going to be having a number of bands who are guaranteed to make your ears bleed." "It's us, Tigers of Pantang, and Iggy Pop." "The only problem is it's live television." "So like we don't have enough else to worry about." "We only have 20 minutes to get our point across, and speaking of getting our point across, oh, by the way, you can't curse." "So there goes half Dee's vocabulary." "Out the door." "But what's the big deal?" "It's only the most important show we have or will ever play in the life of the band." "They look like women, they play like men, and they're the biggest bunch of hellraisers to come out of the States!" "It's Twisted Sister!" "Good evening!" "Welcome to our show!" "I was in the studio all day and had concerts on sale in America." "And I was making my calls, and Phil Carson from Atlantic Records was there." "And he was in the next office doing the same thing." "So I asked what he was doing, and he said," ""Well, I manage this group called Twisted Sister,"" "who I'd never heard of." "And I saw all these people moving backwards and forwards who were like seven feet tall and I thought," ""Who the fuck are they?"" "And then I realized, of course, that they are Twisted Sister." "Which, you know, didn't endear them to me," "I was quite serious about my rock 'n' roll." "♪ What you don't know sure can hurt you ♪" "♪ What you can't see makes you scream ♪" "♪ What you don't know sure can hurt you ♪" "♪ What you don't have is what you dream, what you dream ♪" "♪ Dream, dream, dream... ♪" "Mark told me they had a good following in America and would I come and see them." "Good evening!" "Welcome to "The Tube" on Channel 4!" "We are Twisted Sister!" "I went down and watched a bit of the set." "And I thought, "Aw, they're not half bad."" "Get your hands..." "In the studio there were definitely some heavy metal fans there, who were very reactive and very responsive to the band." "But most of the room was not responding." "And we had three songs." "And I had to reach the audience." "We got the whole front section going here." "But I think the back section and part of the balcony must be on Quaaludes or something, because they're all standing there going, "Uh..."" "Again, Twisted Sister always had the attitude that, you know, we didn't fight fair." "I don't think that's good enough." "And I think the problem here is that we need some help." "We gotta bring out the artillery, you understand?" "And we put in a call to Lemmy, who is now our friend and asked him if he would come out and play with us" "And he and Brian Robinson were coming out." "Yes!" "It's Robbo!" "Lemmy and Robbo from Motorhead!" "Can we hear it for them?" "!" "Come on now." "Let's hear it for them." "Ready let's go, come on!" "Well, alright!" "Come on let's hear it now!" "The audience wasn't really reacting that well." "Everybody wasn't getting into it, and if this audience, in the room, getting the full effect of Twisted Sister wasn't responding, what would people sitting in their comfy chairs at home-- what was their reaction?" "We got Twisted Sister all the way from America." "We got Motorhead." "But it still seems to be a problem." "We're still missing people in the audience." "And that's where I talked, again don't fight fair." "You can do something where you can talk to the audience and communicate your feelings." "But I think you people want something else before you give us what we need." "I think you got a little hang-up, some of you people." "I think there are some people out there who can't take Twisted Sister, because of the way we look." "That's the problem, isn't it now?" "And you just won't listen to us, you won't pay attention to us out there, now will you?" "No, you won't pay attention." "Because we got make up on, that seems to be the problem." "So we gotta take the make up off, now don't we?" "I told my roadie," "I said, "Take my can of makeup remover and a towel, and have it on the side of the stage, if I call for it."" "I didn't talk to the band about this, I didn't discuss it." "I just-- in the back of my mind, had an idea." "Gimme that stuff." "Is that the problem, man?" "I got too much make up on, man?" "You can't take me seriously?" "I'm not crazy enough for you?" "Well now I ain't got no make up on, so now what are you going to do?" "Now you gotta give yourself to me, okay?" "Don't let me down," "I did something for you." "It's Christmas time." "Give Twisted Sister what they want!" "And the place went nuts." "Aah!" "Come on!" "Thank you!" "Robbo Robinson!" " And Lemmy!" " Twisted Sister-- alright!" "So they destroyed the audience and it was a breathtaking show." "So I turned to Mark." "And I said, "Alright, I'll sign them."" "And he looked at me and said, "To Atlantic?"" "And I said, "Well that's where I work, you know." "I'm gonna sign them to Atlantic."" "He didn't say another word." "And then he said, "Well come back and meet the band."" "I said, "Absolutely not."" "Who wants to meet that lot?" ""I said I'll sign them."" "He said, "They're never going to believe me!"" "And he goes, "Atlantic Records."" "And I'm thinking, "There's a thousand record labels!" "The one label in which the quote from the record company president was," "'The next person that mentions this band!" "'"" "I didn't want to say anything because-- but I" "He walked out." ""We're fucked, we're not gonna get signed!"" "And the next day Phil Carson comes in and he goes," ""So boys, I'm going to sign you to Atlantic Records," ""but I have to tell you a very interesting conversation I had." "Do you know this person named Doug Morris?"" ""Yeah."" "I called in on the Tuesday following the weekend" "I'd seen Twisted Sister and said," ""Oh I've got a new band, I just signed a band." "It's the first time I've signed an American band but they happened to be over and they were really good."" "And Doug Morris said, "What are they called?"" "I said, "Twisted Sister."" "At which point Doug is like, "Are you fucking kidding me?" "!" "They suck!" "They suck!" "I don't want them on my label." "They suck!"" "And Phil goes, "Sure they suck, but you know they're gonna sell a lot of records!"" "We recorded "You Can't Stop Rock 'n' Roll."" "We had a hit record in the U.K., sold out tour, we were on Top Of The Pops-- three times." "We did great." "Come back to the States." "Of course, Atlantic Records U.S.-- zero support, nothing." "The record came out and as you can imagine it wasn't a big priority for the label." "The, uh, staff wasn't working it." "I was working it." "I was calling radio stations." "I was doing all sorts of things I wasn't allowed to do." "But if it's not a priority for the company, it's very hard." "We were chomping at the bit to get out and prove ourselves to the world but, you know, nobody wanted us to go on tour with them." "So we go this tour opening up for Krokus and Blackfoot." "29 minutes." "And we had no budget, you know." "And rented a Winnebago and drove 56 hours." "56 hours out to Salt Lake City and the Winnebago then broke down." "And Mark got underneath it and repaired it, you know, like he would in Long Island, right?" "All to play 29 minutes." "But we were hell bent on playing those 29 minutes." "I mean, that's what you do, right?" "Every town we went to we made an impression." "Every town we went to we sold records." "Every town we went to, the local Atlantic rep would call the following Monday and go," ""Holy shit, I just saw the future of rock 'n' roll." "Their name is Twisted Sister."" "And the main office, Doug Morris and company, would have to hear the dreaded "Twisted" word over and over and over." "One day I was called into the office of the president of Atlantic Records, Doug Morris, and he said, "You know what?" "This thing is-- this is the real thing."" "And they're gonna do a new record with Twisted." "They're gonna push all the buttons and pull out all the stops, throw some money into this thing and make it happen." "Doug Morris, the head of Atlantic Records, our nemesis-- who must have hated having me, this piece of shit, dirtbag, Dee Snider in his office-- telling me what they're going to do." "And I'm arguing with him about the different moves they want to make." "He had a whole bunch of ideas on how to clean up Twisted Sister." "And I was arguing everything." "You know, our fans, our fans, our fans." "And finally Doug has had it!" "And he goes, "How many fans do you think you have?"" "So I do some math, you know, we had sold 150,000 albums, plus there was overseas, so whatever it was," "I came up with the number 100,000-- 150,000-- 200,000." "And he said, "What do you want?" "Those same 200,000 fans or the other 800,000 fans that will give you a platinum album?"" "And here's this like punky 20-something-year-old kid at Atlantic Records and looking at the president of, you know, this big important dude." "And I caved." "I said, "I want to have a platinum record."" "He said, "Well, shut up." "This is what you gotta do."" "Of course in hindsight I realize the correct answer was, "I want both."" "You know, there's a way of achieving both." "But I was really thrown by that statement." "You know I never thought in terms of millions." "But here was a guy, here was a record label and that's the only way they did think." "They thought in terms of 500,000, a million, two million, you know?" "We wound up selling three and a half million "Stay Hungry" records in the U.S." "So, that was cool." "I always wondered how the fans felt when we finally broke through and became that huge, they must have felt so vindicated." "Did the Donnas of the world feel vindication for their undying five-day-a- week-travel-everywhere" "Twisted Sister diehard support?" "You know..." "when you're so close to a band, like literally feet away from a band, and you sorta get," "I don't know, maybe it's possessive about them?" "And you have this feeling like, um, you know that's gonna go." "So you're really, really, really happy for them that they're getting the success that they deserve, and be recognized, you know, world wide for what they do here in our little club." "But at the same time it kinda tore out my heartstrings because I was gonna lose them." "Good evening everybody!" "We are..." "Twisted..." "Fucking..." "Sister!" "Whoa!" "What is Twisted Sister about then?" "Well it's simple!" "We're just about having a good time." "That's all!" "We just like to have a good time!" "We like to forget about work." "We like to forget about school." "We like to forget about home problems." "We like to forget about everything except for partying." "And we party hard."