"(clicking)" "ª I'm looking up" "ª Cause baby I've been down ª I'm looking up" "ª Tired of bringing you down" "(police radio chatter)" "When I got there, they had the scene very well secured." "They had the entire block taped off." "Front door wide open, little music playing in the background, candles are lit inside." "Very violent confrontation." "Rage." "Two victims, blood everywhere." "We find a glove..." "It's a left glove- and a blood trail indicating the suspect has been wounded on the left side." "So we're just getting into this when we find out that this is apparently OJ Simpson's estranged wife." "We have two children asleep." "I have a very brutal murder." "Someone's gotta make a death notification of next of kin." "Which is Simpson." "Lang and Vannatter were talking and they called me over and said," ""You were at Simpson's house once, right?" "We want you to take us up there."" "We pull close to the gate." "Vannatter was hitting the doorbell, they keep ringing the doorbell and so I just stroll down the street." "(ominous music)" "By the other gate, there's a white Bronco." "On the driver's side door handle, blood." "I mean there was enough evidence outside, we gotta make sure everybody's okay in here." "Oh God, what are we going to do, Simpson's in there dead." "Well, yeah, we need to go in." "So I jumped up over the fence and I opened the gate." "(ominous music)" "Bang on the front door, nothing." "Walk around to the back, there's a couple of bungalows." "The first one was Kato Kaelin's." "Kato Kaelin was a live-in friend." "We said, "we're the police, check on Mr. Simpson."" "OJ's in Chicago." "Well, he left last night." "Oh, thank God." "They all leave and I'm left here with Kato Kaelin." "I go, "Tell me what you did last night."" "He goes, "well I was talking on the phone and all a sudden there was, like, an earthquake." "It was just like..." "(pounding) ...on the wall and pictures shook."" "Okay." "I walk back outside and I start walking down the back, behind the bungalows." "And then as I pan down," "I see this brown, glistening..." "At first I thought it was dog crap." "And then I shined a light on it." "It's a glove." "Just like the one..." "Ed Bundy..." "Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep." "This is gonna be a crime scene." "(ominous music)" "I make the decision to make a telephonic to the Brown family and I talk to Lou Brown and say that your daughter Nicole is dead." "It's quiet for about two seconds then all this screaming." "It's Nicole's sister, Denise." ""I knew that motherfucker, he was gonna kill," "I knew he was gonna do this."" "I mean, she didn't hesitate." "Nobody comes unglued like that unless they have a strong suspicion." "We gotta look at it a little differently now." "We lock everything down, no more searching, can't do anything until we get a warrant." "Phil Vannatter called me and said," ""I've got some information;" "I need to get a search warrant." "I need you to tell me if you think it sounds okay."" "And hejust summarized the evidence and it was huge." "Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine." "And he said, "You know who it is?" "It's OJ Simpson."" "OJ Simpson?" "Um..." "I was never into sports, so I didn't even know what game he played." "I thought he was a has-been." "Monday afternoon came around," "Simpson came back from Chicago and they handcuff him." "It was quite surprising." "Your ex-husband's always a suspect in a case." "Okay, wow. (laughing) Here we go." "(ominous music)" "He said he's gonna talk to us, which is really strange." "You have one opportunity forever to talk to this guy, forever." "He's thinking he can control a couple of cops." "Especially these guys 'cause, you know, they're pretty nice." "What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was simply to pin him down on what he did on the day of the murder." "OJ just rambled and created an interview transcript that was useless to the prosecution." "What do you mean, you were running around doing what you do?" "What do you mean?" "What do you mean you cut yourself in Chicago but the blood got on the Bronco before you left." "What do you mean?" "There's a million things that they just let go." "Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh." "Oh my God." "What I wanted was his blood, photographs taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his fingerprints now that we've got his cooperation." "We get the blood, we get all these things we want which are going to be evidence." "And then, ya know, he's released." "What?" "Why would you do that?" "If he was any other guy, would you have let him go?" "And they said, "where can he go?" "After all, what can he do?"" "I mean, everybody recognizes him." "I mean, everybody recognizes him." "(orchestral music)" "When I went over to Rockingham, he had like three TV's and each and every one of them, he had a different channel on." "Suspect, what are you talking about?" "Is he crazy?" "And I said, "OJ, what happened to your finger?"" "And he says, "I cut it on a glass in Chicago."" "And I went oh, okay." "Somebody else sat down and asked him the same question and he said, "I was chipping golf balls."" "And I went, uh-hmm, later on that evening, same question came out, "Oh man, I was getting the cell phone out of the Bronco, cut myself."" "I was like, wow." "I tried to leave there and OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."" "And he says, "They asked me to take a lie detector test." "I told them no."" "I said, "what do you mean, you told them no?"" "And he says, you know, jokingly, he says" ""well, you know to be truthful, Shipp," "I have had dreams of killing her."" "I wanted to leave." "I said, "I'm outta here."" "Here, at OJ Simpson's home, in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood, the world media has settled in to the siege." "Against the public backdrop, police are quietly, methodically reconstructing the events of last Sunday evening to answerthe question:" "Could this American sports hero, possibly, be a murderer?" "(deep bass music)" "(jet engines)" "At the time that this murdertook place," "OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine to take him to the airport for a promotional event in Chicago." "OJ Simpson has described him as his quarterback." "He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro." "I agree with that assessment." "(upbeat music)" "He was known as the fixer." "He was a Hollywood lawyer." "He was not know as a "trial dogg" with two G's." "You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal." "Bob had never tried a murder case." "And so when he called me in June and said, "I need some help in the OJ case."" "I was more than ready." "Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro on some of his other cases and I was pretty successful." "So they recruited me as the defense investigator." "OJ was putting together his team." "They sent a guy over to me." ""Hey man, we're putting togetherthis thing."" ""We're going to need you, OJ needs you."" "And I said, "I'm not on board."" "And I'll never forget that investigator's look on his face." "He said, "what?"" "I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board."" "(piano music)" "I gotta say, I had a lot of fun with her." "At times, I felt like a big brother to her 'cause" "I'd come overthere and she'd share things with me." "And I kinda felt special that she thought enough of me to tell me her problems." "She's a great human being." "Thank you." "(applause)" "I remember early in... in the years that her and OJ was dating, we were all down in the Caribbean." "OJ was working on a film, and if a lot of don't know, I'm gonna let you know now, blacks can not swim, we can't float." "(laughter)" "Justin can." "Well, thank God, well he got that from his mom." "So, we're out in the saltwater, right?" "And Nicole is out there looking like, you know, she was made to swim, she's backstroking and she's doing all these things." "So, here's OJ and I, we're standing on the shore and she's waving us in." "(laughter)" "Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean." "Everything down there floats." "OJ and I got out there and we tried to float, and she thought that's the funniest thing she'd ever seen in her life." "She could not believe it." "And one of the things about Nicole, which all of you will agree, was Nicole's laugh." "Once that woman laughed, she was, uh..." "She brought out a lot of goodness in you." "Nicole was very, very special to me." "That was my buddy." "And, um..." "And I know, Sydney and Justin, you've been blessed because a lot of her character and the goodness about her." "You're not going to notice it now, but you're going to notice it as you get older cause she's laid a great foundation for you two." "I love you, Nicole, and I love you too, Jason." "I mean Justin and Sydney and I'll always will be there foryou." "(applause)" "OJ Simpson may soon face legal action." "The Associated Press says a homicide detective has told them Simpson's arrest is imminent." "It is not only OJ Simpson's life that is coming under the media microscope." "Reporters are looking, too, at Ronald Goldman, the aspiring model, who was killed with Nicole Simpson." "His family said he was nothing more than a friend." "He was a special human being that didn't deserve what's happened." "He was gonna open a restaurant." "After Ron was murdered, we went to his apartment." "He had a floor plan, he had a menu, he had names of people whose art he was gonna hang on the wall." "He had everything worked out." "Obviously, this is your older brother." "We don't get to spend very much time together, so I'm very glad that I was able to be here." "So I love you very much and I'll see you soon." "That was all taken away." "My sister's body was gonna be behind closed doors." "I said to my friend, "I can't go in there."" "And as I'm having this conversation with them I'm hearing screams." "Looking at her I can remember a black dress up to her neck because" "what I had heard is that her head was almost cut off all the way." "Which even shocked me more and more." "I mean that was just like... and seeing her there, lying there in a coffin." "I mean, it really, I mean," "I don't know, it's just terrible." "He came to the wake." "It was just unbelievable." "We were all kind of in shock that he came there." "Judy asked him directly, "Did you kill my daughter?"" ""No, no." "I loved hertoo much."" "He was, like, on Xanax or something." "He was just sedated." "I leaned over to him and said," ""we're going to get through this."" "I had no idea what was going on." "(orchestral music)" "Action News has learned that Simpson's attorney is working on a deal with police for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the lawyer calls, and we quote, "a media circus."" "(orchestral music)" "Shapiro was going to surrender him to the detectives in the morning." "We're standing outside Parker Center waiting for OJ to turn himself in." "Every time a car would pass by, is that OJ?" "I think it was 11:00." "Oh, no, he doesn't show up." "I think I'd already scheduled a press conference." "And it's like, oh, no." "We potentially could look like a bunch of clowns here." "I did not know about the arrangements for his surrender." "I went with the assumption that they would announce that he had been arrested." "Gascon's coming up." "Looking out at the auditorium, not only are all the seats taken, but all the aisles arejammed, the front is jammed, the back wall is jammed." "He's on the stage." "And I was the one who was gonna have to stand out there naked." "This morning detectives from the Los Angeles" "Police Department sought and obtained a warrant forthe arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman." "Mr. Simpson, in agreement with his attorney, was scheduled to surrender this morning, to the Los Angeles Police Department." "Initially, that was 11:00." "It then became 11:45." "Mr. Simpson has not appeared." "The Los Angeles Police Department, right now, is actively searching for Mr. Simpson." "The gasp that went through the room," "I think it's right at that moment, that I realized, oh boy, this is big." "We will continue our pursuit of Mr. Simpson and hope to have him in custody soon." "He's gone." "I looked at Marika and said," ""It's a helicopter story now." "Let's find this son of a bitch."" "I can take a few questions." "(everyone speaks at once)" "I'd known Gascon for a long time and he's a fairly easygoing guy normally." "You're gonna have to hold it down." "One at a time or won't be able to hearyou." "Then a sense of humor to add a light touch." "You asked a question, would you like for me to answer?" "He got pretty tightly wound that day." "I doubt that there's anyone around this country that's been monitoring television, radio, or newspapers, that doesn't know at this point that something's going on in this case." "If you, in any way, are assisting Mr. Simpson in avoiding justice, Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of justice right now." "And if you assist him in any way, you are committing a felony." "I was pissed off that we were in essence given the old Italian gesture." "I don't recall being that upset before in the DA's office." "I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed." "Angry at who, beyond..." "I'm angry at OJ Simpson." "(police radio)" "It is not an escape, he was not under arrest." "He was under sedation in a very, very emotional state." "He was at a residence that is secluded, that is very, very hard to find, and there was never any thought of him leaving that residence without us." "This letter was written by OJ today." "First, everyone understand," "I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder." "I loved her, always have, and always will." "If we had a problem, it's because I loved her so much." "It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have" "Kardashian reading the letter." "I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself." "I think of my life and feel I've done most of the right things, so why do I end up like this?" "I can't go on." "No matter what the outcome, people will look and point." "I can't take that." "I can't subject my children to that." "We deal with folks who are in crisis and get to a very dark place and they just do it." "Don't feel sorry for me." "I've had a great life." "Great friends." "Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person." "The note says, to me, feel sorry for me but..." "I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy." "He was, Mr. Cowlings was with him, he was his best friend, he was by his side for the last few minutes alone while we were upstairs." "ACjust had a love for OJ." "I remember once, in high school, a friend of mine had a starter pistol that he brought to school." "So we said okay, let's go, take the gun and pull it on OJ and act like we're gonna shoot him." "We were all down for it." "So, we went out on the field where OJ and Al were and my friend, Ray, well, he pulled the gun out and everybody sorta stepped back." "And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ." "And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ, you gotta shoot me first."" "(police radios)" "1993 Ford Bronco." "We're listening to the Los Angeles Police Department and they believe that this vehicle is somewhere in the vicinity of the El Toro Y." "And I look down below and there's the El Toro Y." "And there's a white Bronco." "Then there's a sheriff's unit and there's another sheriff's unit and another sheriff's unit." "Okay, here we are, open the door." "We get the door open and we get our very first shot." "And I'm back on the two way radio telling CBS, you gotta get us on the air, we found him." "And with a flip of the switch, we were on with Dan Rather." "This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung in Los Angeles and let's hold on a second here." "I'm seeing on the monitor this live helicopter coverage of the Ford Bronco being followed by the police." "And let's pick up some of the transmission from the helicopter." "They believe he's suicidal and very dangerous." "Unfortunately at this time it does not appear as though the driver is slowing down or complying with the orders of the officers." "We were on the air exclusively for 22 minutes." "And this was the most conflicted I had every been." "The gravity of the murder, I mean, this was a double homicide and this is a tragic story." "Very few human beings fall as far as OJ Simpson." "I've fallen quite a bit transitioning, you know, you go from being like a hero pilot to some tranny, you know, so I've fallen somewhat myself but this is like an epic fall." "And I'm weighing consequences of this with also the biggest news story, like, ever." "I'm going to use a pair of binoculars to try to determine whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson." "Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys." "I hope they shoot this son of a bitch." "And I hope they kill him before the competitors get here." "(phone ringing) 911, what are you reporting?" "This is AC." "I have OJ in the car." "Okay, where are you?" "Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway." "Okay." "Right now we are okay." "But you got to tell the police to back off." "He's still alive, but he's got a gun to his head." "Okay, hold on a minute, Monica." "He just wants to see his mother." "Let me get him to the house." "Okay, hold on a moment." "Okay, what's your name?" "My name is AC." "You know who I am, God dammit." "Okay." "Right now, that OJ's sitting there is the passenger seat with a gun pointed at his own head." "Someone turned the TV on and there he is." "14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's" "Department and Highway Patrol following behind a good distance." "Oh my God, this isn't real, this can't be real." "We're dumbfounded." "Law enforcement is following Simpson." "They want him to stop." "Red lights and sirens." "It's not an escort." "Why are they allowing him to continue?" "Really, the game plan is really being conducted by Mr. Simpson at this point and it's very much like when the president travels down a major thoroughfare, like a freeway." "I was wondering, okay, maybe around the next curve they've got it marked off and they're going to force him to stop." "It wasn't like they were going 100 miles an hour." "But I'm not a police tactician." "That was their call." "I've covered so many of these things, this was not usual police behavior." "If OJ Simpson were black, that shit wouldn't have happened." "He'd be on the ground getting clubbed." "But since he transcended race and color to the exalted status of celebrity, he got a motorcade." "This is not a chase, this is basically an accompaniment." "(ominous music)" "Nobody is doing anything." "So I'm talking to Eddie Jo Fairbanks in the DA's office." "She said, "well, I just happen to have his cell number, would you like it?" "(laughing)" "(phone ringing)" "You there?" "Just let me get to my house." "Okay, we're gonna do that." "I swear to you I'll give you," "I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body." "Okay" "I just need to get to my house." "Okay, we're gonna do that, just throw the gun out the window." "I can't do that." "We're not gonna botheryou, we're gonna let you go up there." "Just throw it out the window, please, you're scaring everybody." "This is not to keep you guys away from me, this is for me." "I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you." "This is for me." "He's trying, in my mind, to imply he's going to commit suicide, but he's not saying that." "So, I'm playing along with that." "(moaning)" "Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this." "Just throw it out the window and nobody's gonna get hurt." "You've got a guy here that's," "I don't know where his mind is," "I really believe he killed two people." "But now he's got a loaded gun, and he's being chased by cops." "Is he gonna start shooting at the cops?" "Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill..." "Is he gonna blow his own brains out?" "I do know if I can engage him in a conversation it's going to temporarily at least take his mind off the gun." "I'm the only one that deserves this." "No, you don't deserve that." "You do not deserve to get hurt." "Don't do this." "All I did was love Nicole." "All I did was love her." "I understand." "Love everybody, show everybody my whole life that I love everybody." "We know that and everybody loves you." "Your kids need you." "I've already said goodbye to my kids." "You're gonna hurt everybody." "I'm just gonna have to see." "No, don't" "I'm gonna go with Nicole." "That's all I'm gonna do." "That's all I'm trying to do." "Think about everybody else, alright?" "I couldn't on the freeway." "I couldn't do it in a field." "I want to do it at her grave." "I want to do it at my house." "You gonna go to the house?" "We were told he was going to the Rockingham location." "And that's all we were told." "If they requested swat to handle something, that's because they can't handle it themselves." "I was told you're going to do the talking, you're going to be the negotiator." "Drive time from downtown to the west side was gonna take 30, 40 minutes." "We were trying to beat him." "They were pressuring us." "He's pretty close." "We were estimating we were about 10 minutes ahead." "The last thing we want is for him to get there before us." "Because now we're going to lose control." "And we're on the freeway and all the overpasses, there were people already staged." "Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ, what a bunch of losers." "I think people realized, hey, this is gonna be passing my neighborhood." "And they wanted to see OJ's last run." "This was not a somber event." "This was one of Los Angeles's largest parties." "(orchestral music)" "This was lined with people." "(police sirens)" "And they're running full speed down the street, trying to get to the location." "We're not used to seeing those types of crowds rush in." "(chanting) OJ!" "OJ!" "OJ!" "OJ!" "District Attorney of Los Angeles," "Mr. Gil Garcetti, will the fact that he has fled make things worse for him?" "Any time you have an accused who leaves, that and the fact, we believe, shows a consciousness of guilt." "(chanting "Free OJ")" "I think earlier in the week, all of us close to OJ didn't believe that he had been involved in this." "And now I think there's a sense of resignation and has been for the last 24 hours and we can't believe what's happening and there was nothing ever, ever in the past that would indicate that OJ would be capable of doing what he's doing right now." "Did they let you go?" "They didn't say anything, all of a sudden, they just... what was that?" "Yeah." "Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in." "Now, he's pulling off now, they'vejust pulled off a main highway." "Judy Mullard, help us here." "I can't tell ya, looks like" "Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't tell ya yet." "Look at all these people" " rushing up to the corner..." " No, it's an exit" "This word has obviously spread" "Judy, hang on, look at all these people rushing, waving... (police sirens)" "There is an absolutely utterly macabre nature to all this." "They've been cheering him on, yelling, "Go Juice go."" "Cheering him on," "He pulled off at Sunset, off the 405, he's on his way back toward Brentwood." "When I got on scene there, I walked toward the residence, there was family inside the residence and they were eating." "Looked like they had like a sandwich buffet that they were doing and they were watching tv." "Dining." "I use that clinical term." "Nutty." "(police sirens)" "Both sides of the street have pedestrians, he just passed us at Barrington." "Okay, Eric, its only now probably three minutes at the most I would say to his home in Brentwood." "They're passing the church installed there." "They are heading right into Brentwood now." "He's heading to my house." "He's making a right turn, I assume, that's up into Brentwood Park, and appears to be on the way to either his home or very close to his home." "We closed the gate on Rockingham, we left this one open to force him through and make him come into where we wanted him." "There was a sniperteam in this house across the street, there's a sniper team on top of the roof at the residence." "And there was one across the street." "(police radio) Use your own discretion." "You take him down if you have to." "When'd you see the kids last, Juice?" "He's pulling up in my driveway." "I know, I see you, I see you." "Please, toss the gun." "Juice, just toss it." "He's pulling into his house, oh shit." "I've never seen anything like this." "Mr. Simpson, OJ please." "When we're standing in the threshold there, to my right is a television so, when the Bronco pulls into the driveway" "I see Bronco, Cowlings, Simpson in the backseat and then I look right here and I get the point of view that you're seeing." "Oh my goodness gracious." "He's come home after all of that." "Just as we're trying to get words out, a young man runs up to the driver's side of the door and starts hitting at AC Cowlings." "Who is that out there?" "He's just trying to help." "He's just trying to help, man." "Kardashian said, "That's Jason Simpson, That's OJ's son."" "So, I told Pepabrick, I said, "Go out there and get him."" "Moved him out, now we get down to the business that we designed." "At this juncture, it's very fragile." "What exacerbates, what makes it crazy, is the noise, you had a helicopter seemed like about 50 feet off the deck, every car that was in the following had their red lights and sirens on." "If you just take a snapshot, you'd go, this is madness, absolute madness." "I watched that from the newsroom and when I saw a couple of the swat officers that I recognized run across the shot, I thought, oh my God, they're gonna kill him in the driveway." "Just toss it please." "Alright?" "Juice, just toss the gun." "I did not want him to get out of the car with a gun in his hand, they'd have dumped him, they would not have had a choice." "Juice, come on, Juice." "They resolve most situations peacefully, but they are there to finish it one way or another." "OJ, no, no OJ." "Don't, no man, don't." "Juice, don't do it, Juice." "Pick it up." "I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot of people that are betting on us." "That we're going to screw this up." "That are cynical." "That believe that we are a brutal horrible organization." "And it's just not the case." "How do they know, that the police and the DAdidn't make all this evidence up, to make him act the way that he's acting?" "We were recovering from Rodney King and it's so important forthe people to see things that go the right way." "There is so much on the news where things go the wrong way." "Normally, that wouldn't be on my mind, but that night it was." "Door's opening." "That is Al Cowlings." "He's quite, quite upset at the moment." "Yeah." "Quite emotional here." "I've got to get Cowlings out." "As much as he was trying to help, he was interfering in where I needed to do." "I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson, to try and keep him from hurting himself." "And Mr. Cowlings was trying to be a go between." "He was very worried about his friend." "He kept asking us, please don't hurt him, please don't hurt him, please." "And he wanted to go back, he wanted to stay with his friend." "And we wouldn't allow it, we can't." "Police haven't made a move, we understand negotiations are still going on." "Simpson, you can see him, cradling what looks like framed photos, but clearly he has the barrel of a weapon under his chin and it looks like he's just resting his chin on the barrel of the weapon." "It was the look of a defeated man." "They are, according to police scanners, talking to OJ on the phone, from the inside the house, trying to negotiate something." "I said to him very early on," "I don't think your children need to see another tragedy." "And he immediately changed the subject right to about himself, he wouldn't even speak to that." "I said I know where he's coming from." "There was so much memorabilia and stuff of him everywhere, normally you would see other photos of family members or something else, you didn't see those things, it was all him." "I told Mike Albanis, Mike, I can talk him into it." "We can appeal to his ego enough that he's going to come out for us." "His voice, in the beginning, was excited but then it calmed down." "The more we spoke about him, the more he liked it." "We want to show them that you're still the person you have been all these years." "This great football player, this great everything." "(dramatic music)" "He asked me to come out to the car, and I said, "No, you're going to show them yourself, you're going to showthem just how big and courageous you are, you're going to walk to me and you're" "going to leave the gun in the car, you're going to walk out and show everyone, right now." "You're going to do this."" "My personal spin, I think, he wanted to surrender when it was dark." "So that he wouldn't be seen." "Night has fallen here over Brentwood." "He had two picture frames that were cradled in his arms." "We told him, open the door, put your arm out with the frame, and the other arm out with the framed photo, so it's clear to everybody, so there was no mistaking." "Doors open, dome lights on, he's out of the vehicle." "Kindajust hunches over, shuffles six, eight steps to us, and collapses in our arms." "He goes, "I'm sorry," "I was never going to hurt you guys." "I'm sorry." "I was never going to hurt you guys."" "OJ's in custody." "We understand that OJ's in custody." "They're calling a code four." "All clear, all safe." "Thank you, thank you to God." "(reporters asking questions)" "Unbelievable, we saw an incredible situation that's gone on for hours." "Incredible restraint by the Los Angeles Police Department." "The officers kept their distance." "They allowed the swat team, the pros, to come in, they took their positions." "He'd asked me to stay with him throughout the process." "I promised him I would stay with him." "I said it's time, I gotta handcuff you now, you need to be handcuffed." "I'm sorry, this is the way it works." "(police sirens)" "As we take off, Simpson is amazed at the crowds." "Hejust couldn't believe there was this many people there." "(Free OJ, Free OJ)" "And he said, "what are all these niggers doing in Brentwood?"" "(crowd cheering)" "I walk outside and Shapiro's there." "Shapiro shakes my hand, he says," ""Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson."" "He grabbed me and went to hug me." "I go, let's just," "I wasn't in the mood for a hug and maybe I wasn't professional." "I don't know the frickin' guy, right, and he wants to weep on me?" "(dramatic music)" "Well this is one nutty day." "It really is." "I said, I have seen everything in law enforcement." "There is nothing else that can top this." "(dramatic music)" "(piano music)" "Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson is expected to make his first court appearance." "OJ has been in jail, under a suicide watch, visited only by a psychiatrist and his lawyer." "Please," "Alright, people." "Please speak up so you may be heard." "Uh, yes." "Pardon me, I'm sorry." "May we start all over again?" "Yes." "He looked a mess." "He looked like someone who had committed murder." "There was nothing about the old smiling Simpson, about him that day." "Your charges forthis complaint in that you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced forethought murder Nicole Brown Simpson." "In count two your charge is the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187." "That you willfully and unlawfully with pronounced forethought murder Ronald Lyle Goldman." "When he initially entered the plea, he barely choked it out." "Not guilty." "Alright, then, the not guilty plea will be entered, the case will be set for a preliminary hearing within the statutory period." "Recess." "This case will be handled as every case is handled, the case will be thoroughly investigated by top notch investigators, we will present the prosecution in a thorough and professional manner." "I amongst others, recommended her." "I was aware of her successes in the court room." "I knew she was a very dynamic trial lawyer." "I want no one to forget the fact that" "Robert Barto wakes up every morning, and Rebecca Schaeffer lies buried in a grave in Oregon." "Worked extraordinarily hard, she was very facile with trace evidence, hair, fiber, and the like." "She was up to speed on DNA." "She was one of our best trial lawyers." "I think that with all the questions that we've been getting about the public sympathy for Mr. Simpson, we should not forget the fact that we have two victims, that were brutally slain." "I have to say, it never mattered to me who the defendant was, it was a question of who did it." "Whetherthey're famous, whetherthey're not famous." "They all get the same treatment." "You are looking at inmate number 4103970, OJ Simpson." "(camera clicks)" "(cell doors shutting)" "I believed he was innocent." "I was like everybody else, it was incomprehensible that my friend could do this." "I snuck into the jail to see him and there's this guy that was my buddy and" "he looked emaciated, he was in an orange jumpsuit, and he was shackled to the desk in front of me." "Then he looked at me on the other side of plexiglasses, close as he could be, and he said," ""I swearto God, I didn't do this."" "I believed him." "He asked me if I would kind of be the chronicler of the whole thing." "Would I write a book about the whole thing." "I backed away from that." "Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism," "I'm sitting with OJ and Lyle Menendez walks behind him." "And I just went, shit, this is more than my little pea brain can handle." "(dramatic music)" "Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los Angeles jail cell tonight." "His attorney says he spoke to him today and that Simpson was in tears." "Al Cowlings, was himself, arrested on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive." "Get away from my fucking house." "Simpson, had $10,000 in cash and a passport at that point." "I love OJ no matter what happens." "The murder with special circumstances, death penalty charges..." "The final DNAtests are positive for intents and purposes, OJ Simpson really has no option but to admit that he killed." "The man who will lead the prosecution of the case, against OJ Simpson, is Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti." "You said earlier, "It's not going to shock me if we see OJ Simpson sometime down the road say okay" "I did do it but I'm not responsible."" "That certainly sounded, to me, like a prosecutor very comfortable with his case." "I am comfortable with the case," "I don't mean to speculate as to what the defense is going to be but I have been a prosecutor for 25 years" "The evidence was so overwhelming, there was just no doubt." "A blood trail that led from Bundy all the way into his bedroom." "I don't think I'd ever seen that much evidence in any single case ever." "When you couple that with evidence of motivation, and that was the history of domestic violence, with Simpson physically and psychologically abusing Nicole Brown." "This is my woman." "This was a domestic violence case that culminated in murder." "End of story." "Both sides are going to try to place the publicity their way but because this is a major celebrity, probably this is the most famous" "American ever charged with murder, there will not business as usual." "My former criminal law professor, Alan Dershowitz, was part of what would later become known as the dream team," "OJ Simpson's lawyers." "So, I called up Alan, and I said," ""You know, what do you think of this case?"" "And he said, "I don't know, but you ought to look into this guy, this cop." "Mark Fuhrman, there's something bad about him."" "I first met Mark during the execution of a second search warrant." "I was impressed, he seemed to have an eye for detail." "Some of his investigative moves, particularly going up to Rockingham, struck me as this is a smart detective." "Mark Fuhrman, M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N when he testified at the preliminary hearing, he did a really good job." "Blood to the left of the footprint would indicate that the person that left the scene was bleeding from the left side of his body." "And the spot on the Bronco could coincide with that injury." "He was on top of his game." "His memory of the search of" "Rockingham was the primary thing." "And it was detailed and consistent." "And why was it that you did not secure the residence for a search warrant before finding the glove." "This is not a situation where we had the time to stand out in the street and just wait and wonder." "We had to do something." "I thought maybe this guy Fuhrman has done something wrong." "Maybe, he's been sued." "There was this dungeon-like basement in downtown Los Angeles with all the records of civil court filings." "And I started burrowing through these records looking for Mark Fuhrman as a defendant." "And that's not what I found." "I found a lawsuit where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff." "He had actually sued the Los Angeles Pension Board asking to be relieved as a police officer and get a pension because his mind was so poisoned by hatred of black people." "And I thought to myself, now that's a story." "I show up uninvited at Robert Shapiro's office." "And I say, "I've been looking at Mark Fuhrman's file and there's some pretty amazing stuff in there."" "And I remember, to this day, he sort of rocked back in his chair." "He said, "You saw that?"" "I said, "Yeah."" "He said, "You think that's bad, we think he planted the glove."" "(camera clicks)" "Fuhrman, according to this article had used a lot of racial epithets." "Having that out there, really brought home the fact that we've got a dynamic here we're gonna have to deal with." "They found a flaw in me, and then they made up a nexus, a connection to the flawto the case." "I mean, I had a bad couple years but I came out" "better, I came out of it." "It is what it is." "That article came out at just about the same time, Johnnie Cochran was coming aboard the defense team." "And my thought at the time was, here comes the race card." "(gospel music)" "My name is Johnnie L. Cochran Jr." "I am primarily a civil rights lawyer." "And I represent a number of clients who have had their civil rights abridged." "He and his firm were central players in this story of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles." "Growing up in America, any African American will tell you that, we know we have to run faster, jump higher, work harder, to do the same that anyone else has to do." "(applause)" "Johnnie Cochran was always the icon to young black, brown, and oppressed people in Los Angeles because Johnnie was that young dashing lawyer who took on the police." "Johnnie Cochran made his name as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case." "The latest explosion of violence in watts really began here 11 days ago." "A negro motorist driving down here was rushing his wife to the hospital, she was having labor pains, they were stopped, stopped by a white patrolman." "One policeman got out and came around to my side and my husband leaned over me and asked him if he would lead him out to the hospital to care of me." "And then he, he didn't say anything, and he shot him." "And he fell over me." "(dramatic music)" "Mr. Cochran would like to know, did you get inside the Deadwyler car with the upper part of your body voluntarily?" "Yes sir." "Mr. Cochran would like to know, did you observe any weapons within the Deadwyler car?" "No, sir, I did not." "Mr. Cochran wants to know, that became the catchphrase because the lawyer, himself, could not ask the questions." "He had to go through the county council." "Mr. Cochran would like to know, if you been trained to keep your weapon away from a suspect?" "Yes, sir." "Johnnie was like 27, 28 years old then." "He was a young whippersnapper." "Mr. Cochran would like to know, while you were at the Los Angeles police academy, did they train you to put your upper part of your body inside a car?" "Not specifically that, no." "Because it was a televised trial, he became a hero to everybody in to the South Central community." "Few people had higher standing, deeper standing." "Johnnie was always that stalwart defender ofjustice, fighting against the bastille." "Each of the defendants across the board were found not guilty of the assaults on the police officers." "Mr. Settles was beaten, the booking photos show that." "I want to know if they had anything to do with his death." "I want to know, whether or not, he hung himself or whether or not he was hung." "The only version that you heard of what transpired was what the police officers told you, isn't that correct?" "(dramatic music)" "It's not that Johnnie was the only good lawyerfor OJ Simpson but I would say that he and his firm were the only lawyers who would really understand and argue this case in the context of the LAPD's relationship to African Americans." "Now, did he also like a big celebrity trial, you bet." "Michael Jackson has maintained his innocence from the beginning of this matter." "He still, maintains that innocence." "He was a big character, he was flamboyant." " I love you." " Hi Johnnie." "We were talking about different styles of lawyering and how you make a case to jury and one of the things he said about predominately African American juries, he goes "Jimmy," which is what he used to call me," "he said, "Jimmy, blacks like big."" "(laughing)" "And he liked to be big." "(drums playing)" "My daughter was in the watts parade and" "Johnnie Cochran was the grand marshal." "He said, "I want to see you guys at the trial."" "I hadn't planned to go, but since he asked me," "I said, well Johnnie wants me to come, and he asked me to come, so I'm coming down here." "I'm gonna find a way to get here every day." "(dramatic music)" "OJ Simpson is about to appear in a Los Angeles courtroom." "He's going to enter a plea, a date for trial is going to be set, and ajudge to oversee the trial is going to be appointed." "This is the time set forthe arraignment of Mr. Simpson." "Mr. Simpson you are charged with the crime of murder." "Are you ready to enter a plea at this time?" "Yes, your honor." "How do you plea to counts one and two?" "Absolutely 100% not guilty." "That's what I want to hear, you're not guilty." "He was back on his feet and ready to tell the whole world that he was wrongly accused." "And it was just the biggest bunch of horse shit." "Thank you, you may be seated." "But he sold it." "I gave him a thumbs up." "And he looked over at me and he waved at me." "He was very good looking." "And that day he was really good looking." "(laughing)" "I may not have thought he was a big celebrity but it became really clear to me super fast that he was to others." "OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy, football, and great actor." "OJ Simpson has been a hero of mine since college." "I think he's a great man and a a great hero, and has touched a lot of lives." "I don't think he did it, doesn't seem like that kind of person." "I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito." "Judge Ito is an acceptable fashion." "Judge Ito will be accepted forthe people as well." "Very well, thank you, then that is the assignment." "Here's the first time we'll really get to see the system." "To see if it really works." "For someone with some money, a celebrity." "Awell loved, respected, cherished type of man." "Now, let's see if justice can work for him." "(dramatic music)" "There's nothing more important during a jury trial, than the selection of yourjury." "You can win or lose you case right there." "The issue of where to conduct the trial, the Santa Monica court house, largely whitejury pool." "Downtown LA, largely blackjury pool." "Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said," ""well itjust logistically had to be downtown."" "A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti, elected official, needed to protect his reputation in the black community, a big voting block, by keeping the case downtown." "I'm confident that we can, indeed, find white, black, brown, every colorjuror there is, who will, indeed, be fair and impartial." "I think it would have been societally better, from the DA's perspective, to win a conviction downtown." "And to not be accused of having stacked this, in such a way that whites were to stand in judgement of black men." "If you have a juror who believes police never do anything wrong, you're in tough shape." "Certainly, you can find most people, want to believe their police officers are fair and want to do theirjob and so that's a given, you start with that, but you've got to find that person who" "understands that in the real world that doesn't happen all the time." "We interviewed over 5000 people in Los Angeles in preparation for the OJ Simpson trial." "The conclusions were that just presenting the straight up evidence, you weren't going to get a lot of sympathetic African American females, many harbored a resentment that this famous athlete, this charming guy, had a married a white, blonde woman" "rather than someone from his own community." "But the antagonism was to her and not him." "OJ you look gorgeous right now." "How come you're so loyal to this man who married a white woman?" "And was dating her while he was married to a black woman." "I mean, doesn't any of this make you feel a little less defensive of him." "Marcia Clark had this faith about her ability to connect with African American woman." "African American women had been some of my bestjurors on previous cases." "Even when the defendant was an African American." "There was just a way, an easy way I had, that I could talk to them." "Now, we will show you the other side of the smiling face that you saw on the Hertz commercial." "We had trial simulations" "The one you never saw on camera." "Marcia was not received positively." "Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch." "When they had the mock jury, the mock trial, and some of the comments came back about you, about maybe being really hard or tough, what did you think when you heard some of that." "I was very surprised, the balance of them said good things, so, you know, the media takes one kernel and blows it up into a huge bowl of popcorn." "Marcia tended to discount the fact that black women jurors didn't seem to appreciate her very much." "I had no illusions about what" "I was going to be up against." "The odds were stacked against us in terms of the African Americanjurors because that's what the polls showed." "A California poll, released today, found that only 10% of blacks, who were surveyed, believed it is very likely that Simpson was guilty." "The ideal juror would have been younger, i.e. Someone not familiar with Simpson at the high of his fame," "Asian, or probably white." "All we want, just give me, 12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors who are going to follow the law and put aside their personal feelings and do what the court and the law requires." "In Los Angeles today, thejudge and lawyers in the OJ Simpson murdertrial began interviewing prospective jurors face to face." "Just to set the scene foryou, when all thejurors walk in, all the attorneys are lined up like a receiving line, and several times during the proceedings," "OJ Simpson would turn and seem to make eye contact with people, and occasionally smile at people in the audience." "The quest for impartial jurors has been going on now for more than a month." "They called me to the chair." "When I sat down, I didn't even put my purse down." "Because I felt like it was going to be that quick." "They were going to say, you're excused." "I'm looking at the list," "I know what's coming up." "I know who's left behind me." "I know what I've got in the box." "I have to look and see, am I going to do better or worse." "There was a process, of what I have labeled as reverse Darwinism," "I call it the survival of the most unfitjurors." "Many it seems want to watch, but fewer wish to serve." "91 of 219 people summoned for" "Simpson jury duty, said in a questionnaire, a likely 6 month trial would be too great a hardship." "I think it's the only way, to assure that we are going to have a fairtrial for both sides." "Jurors who were available for six months skewed heavily towards a lower socioeconomic strata ofjurors and a much more diversejury pool." "A lot of smartjurors who might have been open to DNAscientific evidence simply went by the wayside." "We didn't have many of our type ofjuror." "I thought, okay, I better quit while I'm behind and not get further behind because it was only going to go downhill from there." "They said, "Your Honor we accept,"" "and at that point, I sunk in my chair." "I was stunned." "Oh my God, oh my God, and I told my daughter, and she said, "Oh Mother, oh my God."" "And my son, he said, "Oh my God, Mother."" "And that was it." "In the end, we did the best we could with a bad lot." "We wound up with eight African American women," "I thought, you know it will be an uphill battle but I think they'll listen." "Thrilled, we're thrilled." "We were so stunned that we had such a large collection of favorable jurors." "75% of the actual jurors believed that he could not have committed these murders because he excelled at football at USC." "The only thing that could get you through some times is that guys look at each other and say, hey man, we are SC." "(laughing)" "We were about to walk in to the lockup from the court room." "OJ looked back one last time, it was me, Johnnie, we were going back to talk about everything and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury convicts me, maybe I did do it."" "(birds chirping)" "(orchestral music)" "It has taken seven months to reach this point." "We are, and I think the client, is really, really pleased, that we can have someone stand up and speak to the tryers of fact." "Time to stop posturing." "Let's go to trial." "Have a good one everybody." "Five, four, three, two, one" "Council and the audience please be seated." "Alright, are both sides prepared to go forward, Mr. Cochran?" "We are, your Honor." "Ms. Clark?" "Yes, we are, your Honor." "Alright, do the people wish to make an opening statement?" "Yes we do." "Alright, you may proceed." "Mr. Darden, thank you." "When we started off, the prosecution had theirteam of lawyers." "Your HonorJudge lto, Mr. Cochran," "Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman." "And here's this new face at the table." "And to you ladies and gentlemen of the jury," "Good morning." "And I'm like, why did they bring him here?" "And we're here today, obviously, to resolve an issue, to settle a question, a question that has been on the minds of people throughout the country these last seven months." "Certainly has been on the mind of my people up in Richmond, California and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia and all across the country and everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman?" "It was apparent to everyone in America, why he was now on the case." "Well, certainly because he was black." "That was everybody- because he was a good lawyer." "He's a good lawyer, we needed to add to the team." "Strengthen the team up, that's the party line." "I thought Chris was a very good trial lawyer." "Any questions for Chris?" "He was young, he was learning." "Come on, man, come on." "Look at this guy, come on, we have to drag him over." "But he was very good." "There was a little bit of cockiness." "But it was not an offensive cockiness." "I don't care what anybody says," "I dress much better than Johnnie Cochran." "(laughing)" "Johnnie, I'm going to introduce you to my, well I'm gonna show you the rack where I buy my suits." "He had a pretty good reputation as someone who can build a case." "And of course, most notably, Chris was black." "And Marcia and I were not." "You hear a lot about this talk aboutjustice." "I guess, Dr. Martin Luther King said it best, when he said that, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." "So, we are now, embarked upon this search forjustice." "I have to tell you personally, for all the cases" "I've tried, I never felt so white." "It seems to me that the fact that blood mysteriously appears on vital pieces of evidence and it's predicted what the results will be regarding DNA, when that evidence is still in the police lab, is devastating evidence of something far more sinister." "Using the concept of a conspiracy, historically, in Los Angeles will resonate with diversejurors, who know about this history." "You had to have someone to blame." "Detective Mark Fuhrman, now it's very interesting, that the prosecution never once mentioned his name yesterday." "It's like they just want to hide him, but they can't hide him, he's very much a part of this case." "Chris Darden sawthat this case was becoming this weird referendum on the LAPD," "on the history of race in Los Angeles." "And Chris, he understood those issues." "He had worked in what was then our SID unit, which investigated police abuse cases." "They obtained those warrants simply to level and make uninhabitable those locations." "Any of the police officers that were called to testify by us, lied on the stand, it was obvious to everyone that they were lying." "Every black lawyer idolized Johnnie Cochran in 1994." "And I say, Chris Darden wanted to out-Johnnie, Johnnie." "He wanted to beat the man on the biggest stage of his career." "Police detective Mark Fuhrman, did he find or plant a bloody glove at Simpson's estate?" "Judge Lance Ito must soon decide whetherthe jury gets to hear about detective Fuhrman's checkered past." "We knew Fuhrman was going to be an important witness." "People had indicated that he had used racist language in an offensive way, in a way that, I think, jurors and everybody else would not like." "The N word, or any other racial epithet, has an inflammatory effect, that is incomparable, and to that specific issue," "Mr. Darden wishes to address the court, and" "I think I'll conclude my comments at this time." "Mr. Darden, good morning." "Good morning, your Honor." "Your honor, I think the best indication or evidence on just how inflammatory the use of the word is, is the fact that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I, the only two black lead lawyers on each side of the council table" "are some how dragged into this issue, to argue the issue to the court." "They used him to make the argument, that an African American jury can not listen to the utterance of that word in some sort of dispassionate, objective way." "It blinds people." "It will blind thejury." "It will blind them to the truth." "They won't be able to discern what's true and what's not." "He hit the nail right on the head." "He said, if you do this, you know, then that's all that this case is gonna be about." "All they'll think about is frame up, frame up, frame up." "All they do is mention the word, say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever use that N word, and he'll say, "Yeah," and it's over." "He must have planted the glove." "I remember whispering to Johnnie, is this nigger serious?" "And I'm not saying Mark Fuhrman is a racist" "Is this nigger crazy?" "He was suffering from stress and it has to be stressful to be a police officer in the city of LA, geez the stuff that is going on in this city in the last five to six years." "Is he serious?" "Or is hejust carrying the white man's bucket?" "It will give them a test, and the test will be, who's side are you on?" "The side of the white prosecutors and the white policemen or on the side of the black defendant and his very prominent and capable black lawyer." "That's what it's gonna do, either you're with the man or you're with the brothers." "I must say, and this is one of those sort of bracing moments, this is why you need diversity in newsrooms, by the way, is that I came out of there thinking that Darden made a pretty good point." "That it's such a shocking word, that I found myself flinching at the use of it." "My colleague, Andrea Ford, an African American women, was outraged." "She felt it was really insulting to blacks, to African Americans, to think they couldn't hearthe word and give it the proper weight." "And I remember thinking, aftertalking to Andrea, wow, that didn't really occurto me." "It is a reminder, that who we are and how we're brought up does affect the way we hear things." "Thank you very much, Judge Ito." "I have a funeral to attend today but" "I would be remiss were I not at this time to take this opportunity to respond to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden." "When Johnnie gets angry, which is very rare, you know, he's remarkably articulate and good." "Johnnie got angry that day." "His remarks this morning are perhaps the most incredible remarks" "I've heard in the court of law in the 32 years I've been practicing law." "His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group." "And so I want, before I go to this funeral, to apologize to African Americans across this country." "African Americans live with offensive words, offensive looks, offensive treatment every day of their lives." "To say they can't be fair is absolutely outrageous." "I am ashamed that Mr. Darden would allow himself to become an apologist forthis man." "You can't justify that in a civilized society." "Nobody wants introduce race into this case, your honor." "Johnnie was dying to get the word" ""nigger" in front of thejury." "He also did it in such a way that, frankly, he made Darden look ridiculous." "To come here and testify as an expert to you of what black people think in America." "All across America, today, believe me black people are offended at this very moment." "I think that Johnnie was rough on him." "I think it hurt his feelings." "A lot of people thought that Chris would end up at the Cochran firm." "And, obviously, that didn't happen." "People had contempt for him because they felt like he was a tool that was being used." "It's a time to not to do things that it seems to me will last a person's entire career such as insulting a whole race of people who have meant so much to this country." "Let's be clear about this, the subtext of everything that Johnnie Cochran said about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom." "And it was egregiously unfair." "Johnnie Cochran, among otherthings, tried OJ was an African American defendant." "When OJ Simpson didn't really have much of a reputation as an African American person, really." "I used to walk on the wild side, now I just take a brisk walk." "This was not a person that you thought of as a, kind of, iconic black figure in Los Angeles." "I mean, he lived two blocks from Mayor Riordan." "(dramatic music)" "We wanted the jury to see Bundy but the defense said, well if we're going to do that, we have to go to Rockingham." "They do not need to go to Rockingham but if they do, show them where they found the glove." "That's all that arguably relevant." "(police radios)" "We come to find that lto was going to let them go into Rockingham." "He's going to march thejury through the inside of the house, which is relevant to what?" "No part of the crime happened inside the house." "What are we doing there?" "What we did that day is create an illusion." "When you would walk up the grand staircase there was a large wall with pictures of the family," "pictures of friends, pictures of OJ's career, problem was the overwhelming majority of pictures were of Caucasian friends and colleagues of his." "We had an African Americanjury and we wanted to make sure that the home setting" "would reflect the themes that we wanted to reflect." "We took all of his white friends down." "Put all of his black people up." "Pictures he probably had never seen before because that is what we were told the jury would identify with." "We made him blacker." "There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph that we took from Johnnie's office" "and we put that picture at the very top of the stairs." "We did not remove all of his pictures with white people." "The whole house would have been gone, would have been dark, we didn't do that." "You have got to be kidding me, it's night and day." "This was an African American man's house." "Who had no associations with any white guys whatsoever." "Marcia sawthe wall and she said, "Carl, you know damn well, he has never had this many black people on his wall, his entire life."" "I said, "Marcia, what are talking about?" "How dare you accuse us of such things."" "I was miserable, I was angry." "That is very dirty pool." "If we had had a Latin jury, we would have had a picture of him in a sombrero, there would have been a mariachi band out front, we would have had a pinata at the upper staircase." "I objected, we went outside, we convened a hearing and I said, this has no relevance whatsoever." "They've now changed the scene." "It was never relevant to begin with and now it's completely irrelevant." "You know, the defense is always going to push the envelope, that's what they do." "It's up to the judge to stop them." "Ito let them get away with it." "(dramatic music)" "(dramatic music)" "All of a sudden he became black." "They threw off the cape and now he's one of them." "I was surprised to see the depth of feeling that so many people in the black community, certainly those around the courthouse, had for him." "I feel that he is not guilty and" "I also feel that he is being unfairly treated as so have a lot of African" "American persons who have been through thejudicial process." "I think that you find among black people, an incredible amount of forgiveness for anybody living through the pain" "of being black in America." "They were not involved with OJ in terms of critical thinking." "Why does he mean so much to you?" "You know, I can't answer that, this is just something that's really struck a chord with me." "And I'm just compelled to be here." "He was a black man who was on trial that they perceived that white people were trying to unfairly harm." "They're trying to railroad him, they need to find the murderer." "Go out and look forthe murderer." "He's accused but we all know he didn't do it." "He was wealthy, he was powerful, he was this, he was that, there is a B-U-T, but," "he was black." "So, he didn't do it?" "No, he didn't do it." "How do you know?" "I know he didn't do it." "How do you know?" "I just know." "You may be at the top house in Beverly Hills, and I may be in the basement of a place in watts" "but we are connected." "(dramatic music)" "(dog barking)" "(rumble of car engine)" "(barking continues)" "We got this call, and I didn't know whose house it was." "I had never been on a call there but there had been 10, 11, 12 officers that had been on various calls over the years." "Simpson is standing on the left side of the driveway, by the shrubs, holding a baseball bat." "Nicole is sitting on the front part of a 450SL Mercedes, windshield smashed in, and she's bawling, heaving, I mean, almost uncontrollably." "He's got this look on his face, like he's going to do battle." "And I say, "Put the bat down."" "And he's got this look, this rage look." "I said, "Put the bat down."" "He didn't do it the second time." "I took out my baton, and I said, "Put it down now."" "And then all of a sudden there was this calm that came over his face, he dropped it, and he goes, "Oh, sorry, Officer."" "And I went over, and she was still crying, and I said, "Do you want to make a report?"" "And she goes, "No."" "I remember saying this because it was..." "I think expressing my displeasure that she was allowing herself to be treated like this." "I said, "It's your life."" "(somber music)" "Alright, let the record reflect that we have been rejoined by all members of ourjury panel." "Mr. Darden, you may continue." "Did that search warrant authorize you to drill a hole in a safe deposit box at Union Bank?" "Yes." "Whose safe deposit box was it?" "Nicole Brown Simpson." "Recognize that item?" "Yes, it was in a sealed envelope that was contained inside the safe deposit box." "The strategy had been to open the case with a couple weeks of domestic violence evidence." "Did you remove that Polaroid from Nicole Brown's safe deposit box?" "Yes, I did." "Do you know who took that photograph?" "I did." "The swelling over her right eye." "That isn't how she usually looked, is it?" "No, it's not." "Going to present all that evidence in an effort to knock Simpson off the iconic pedestal on which he stood." "And you mentioned that pictures began flying off the walls." "How did they come flying off the wall?" "O.J. Was walking up the hall, or up the staircase, and he started throwing them." "He took them off the wall and started throwing them down." "Did the defendant say anything?" "He wanted her out of his house, and he threw her up against the wall, and the eyes got real angry." "It wasn't as if it was O.J. Anymore." "I was so disappointed." "I just had no comprehension about it, no knowledge." "What did the defendant say about your sister's weight while she was pregnant?" "He used to call her a fat pig." "It's like finding out your wife's a bad person, you know?" "911 Emergency, (inaudible)?" "I heard a female screaming." "Hello?" "I definitely felt for Nicole." "And then I heard someone being hit." "(taped screams)" "You know, I looked at him, "You're a pretty bad person."" "He's capable of outbursts." "(inaudible) in the living room!" "If you have the personality, you can physically abuse women." "I don't want to stay on the line." "He's going to beat the shit out of me." "Wait a minute." "Well, then to me, you're also capable of murdering that woman." "She felt like she was in imminent danger, and so we made it life..." "I made it life threatening." "Miss Brown, directing your attention to June 12, 1994." "Had you and your parents and your sister planned to go somewhere after the recital was over?" "Yes we did, we were going out to dinner." "Okay, and where were you planning to go?" "We were going to Mezzaluna Restaurant." "The domestic violence testimony was the 'why' of it." "Did you invite the defendant to go to the Mezzaluna?" "No, I did not." "Did you hear anyone else invite the defendant to go to the Mezzaluna?" "No, I did not." "Abusers blame their victims forthe cycle of violence, and on that particular night I think it all came to a head for him." "He went to the recital, and the Mezzaluna date was made, he was not included, and then he tries to reach Paula later that night, at 10:03, calling her twice, when he was in the Bronco." "She was not there." "And I think that was the last straw for him." "He was abandoned by Nicole, he was abandoned by Paula," "and that's why we're here." "There's a connection with abuse, and could it lead to death?" "Sure." "But I don't think they proved that." "How many times did you hear her shout, "He's going to kill me, he's going to kill me,"?" "Four or five times." "Let me tell you," "I lose respect for any woman that take an ass-whupping when she don't have to." "Don't stay in the water if it's over your head." "You'll drown." "They did not get it." "They just didn't care." "They got it, I mean, you know, it's not that complicated." "They didn't care." "So..." "Our hearts sank." "We thought, we are really going to have a tough time if our jurors don't understand howthis is relevant." "The last thing I told her is that I loved her." "Knowing what I believed I knew," "I still refused to testify." "But, I get a call from Chris Darden, he said," ""Look, you know, you don't, you're not going to testify, but I need you to come down here." "I've got to ask you a couple of questions." "Would you please?"" "I went, "Okay."" "Chris is sitting there, and he goes," ""Hey, man, how you doing, what's going on?"" "30, 45 seconds goes by, someone went," ""Chris, you've got a phone call."" "He goes, "Oh, Ron, be right back."" "And as I'm sitting there," "I look in front of me, you know, where Chris was sitting," "I see this book, and it has a big Ron and Nicole on it." "I opened it up." "And I see these beautiful pictures of Nicole, with her modeling." "I keep opening it, nice pictures of Ron." "And all of a sudden, I get to the actual homicide pictures." "Now, I've seen a million homicide pictures," "I've been in, I don't know how many homicides in my 15 years as an L.A.P.D. Cop." "But all of a sudden you look at some pictures of somebody you actually know." "Looked at those pictures, it changed me." "It changed me." "Everybody always beating cops up." "Man, there's a lot of stuff that we see, and we suppress." "I'll never forget the first homicide that I saw." "Oh, it was, um... excuse me." "It was a 19-year-old girl." "(police radio chatter)" "We got a call." "When I went up there, she was totally nude." "She had been beaten to a pulp, and discarded in the parking lot." "I was like, "what kind of guy would do this?"" "She was 19 years old." "I couldn't even, I couldn't make out her face, because it was beaten in so bad." "Blonde hair." "And we got a call that the guy turned himself in." "We went and picked him up." "And I sat in the back seat with this guy." "I wanted to kill him." "I mean, all I thought about is this is somebody's daughter, sister, whatever, that's never coming home." "Oh, when I saw Nicole's pictures, that was the same thing, I felt like that, with O.J." "Only an animal would do something like this to the mother of your kids." "Chris came back, and when he sat down, I said, "I'm testifying."" "He said, "what?"" "I said, "I'm testifying."" "The People call Ron Shipp to the stand, Ron." "To the stand, Mr. Shipp." "Raise your right hand, please." "Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?" "Yes, I do." "Please be seated." "Traitor." "Judas." "Ronald Shipp." "R-o-n-a-l-d." "Becky called him Judas." "And what did the defendant say?" "He kind ofjokingly just said, you know, you know, to be honest, Shipp, that's what he called me, Shipp." "He said, "I've had some dreams of killing her."" "This is my one moment to help put somebody who's responsible for Nicole and Ron's murder, put them in prison." "Do you and the defendant remain friends today?" "Well, I still love the guy, but..." "I don't know, I mean, this is a weird situation." "I'm sitting here." "You say you still love him." "Sure." "Did he tell the truth?" "Yeah." "But anybody's that's credible, what do you have to do?" "Nothing further." "You have to destroy them." "You drink a lot, don't you?" "I used to." "You've had a drinking problem, haven't you?" "In the past I have." "They painted him out to be an alcoholic, womanizer." "Isn't it true, Sir, that you were with a friend, other than your wife." "Yes I was." "She was blonde, was she not?" "It was a friend of my wife's, that's correct." "I see." "And when you were at his home, in the dark, with the blonde, who wasn't your wife, who's here in court, you did ask that he bring you a bottle of wine." "Didn't you?" "That's correct." "They destroyed him." "You're not really this man's friend, are you, Sir?" "Well, I guess you could say" "I was like everybody else." "One of his servants." "I did police stuff for him all the time," "I ran license plates." "You weren't the kind of friend that he would share some private secret with, were you, Sir?" "Nothing except for the 1989 beating, where he needed me." "When they started lying, and they came up with all these different things." "Isn't it true, Sir, that you have told Mr. Simpson's friend that if Mr. Simpson weren't around, you might have a shot at Nicole Brown Simpson yourself?" "No, I did not." "He looked at me with that O.J. Simpson smile." "And, oh, I felt that hate come back." "I felt it come back." "Mr. Douglas, I hope you get your facts straight, okay?" "Hold on, hold on." "You're attacking me." "Hold on, Mr. Shipp." "This is sad, O.J., this is really sad." "Your Honor, I move to strike that." "I was like, "This guy deserves to rot in hell."" "I do remember that I was told, you know, after I did make that decision to testify," ""You're not alone."" "And I saw a list, they said, "These are the ones that are going to be testifying."" "But after they got through with me, everybody got amnesia." "I will not have the blood of Nicole on Ron Shipp." "I can sleep at night, unlike a lot of others." "Mr. Shipp." "I think that was the first person that it became evident that everybody's expendable." "That if the Titanic sank, O.J. Was going to take a life vest for himself, but he's going to probably take yours, too, just in case." "He was a fighter, he was a hustler, he was a competitor." "To survive, to get to where he was, he had to be good, and he was." "I was struck by how engaged he was." "That when we're in court that day, you'll recall, usually I'm sitting next to him when we talk about that, you know what I mean?" "In a lot of cases, the defendant is really sort of incidental." "You really have the sense that it's legal team versus legal team, whereas I did have the sense that he was a significant player within his own team." "O.J. Was brilliant in terms of how things played." "You say that the conversation with Mr. Simpson was eating you up." "Is that your statement?" "That's correct." "And did you hope to excorcise this pain from your body." "He would give me more than a few tongue lashings to make sure that I would communicate in a way that would convey the image that he thought would be best." "I remember I had some spittle on my mouth." "And he said, "wipe your mouth!" "Wipe the spit off your mouth!"" "He took me to the woodshed." "But I was 39 years old, working on behalf of O.J. Simpson and on television." "I'm living the life of all my colleagues would dream." "So, if I had to eat a little cheese, while being on TV, that was a small price for me to pay." "What was remarkable about him was his ability to turn on the charisma." "And it, like that." "In a moment, he could smile." "He knew when the camera was on him in that courtroom, and he would be, have a really benign expression." "And when the camera moved away from him, the face fell." "Everything that happened in that courtroom was by design." "Who sat where, what colors they wore, what ties they wore." "Some days, it would be very irritating to see the games the defense was playing when they would put on those ties, that kente cloth." "Stop it." "He's communicating to thejury." "I know Johnnie well enough," "I know how he works." "Now the prosecution, Miss Clark." "They're insulting you." "They're insulting the intelligence, and the credibility of this jury." "When they implied that we are in some way trying to manipulate a predominantly blackjury by my wearing this African tribal tie." "(laughter)" "That's an insult to this jury, and I am personally offended." "Not only on my behalf, but also on the behalf of my esteemed colleagues." "Mr. Shapiro..." "Mr. Bailey..." "And Mr. Scheck." "I had spent a lot of time thinking about cameras in the courtroom." "The camera is going to be out to about here." "It was supposed to be something that would really elevate the country's understanding of the American legal system." "Having the cameras in the courtroom allows everyone to see how a trial really proceeds, so then they see the actual evidence, as it's being brought out, and that's a good thing." "But that's not what happened." "There was no internet." "There was no MSNBC." "There was no FOX." "There was one cable news network, and CNN covered the case gavel to gavel." "This case was everywhere." "The Simpson Trial, by any standard, is a very, very big news story." "In this country, the O.J. Simpson." "At the O.J. Simpson Trial." "There are some big decisons to report in the O.J." "More on the O.J. Simpson story tonight on Nightline, and tomorrow night on 20l20." "I think before O.J., what was the biggest story?" "The Lindbergh kidnapping." "I can't think of one bigger than O.J." "Where celebrity drove the story." "On the 3 Network Newscast, the Simpson story has been given more time in two months than any other topic this year." "There is a ravenous public appetite forthis, and the fact of the matter is, it is one whale of a good story." "O.J.'s celebrity status clearly made it a big time story." "But I think the fact that you had the interracial angle there kind ofjuiced it and I think it had a little extra pizzazz." "Here is a black man, in America, who is accused of killing a white woman." "Black hero killing white woman." "Black men killing white women, nowthat happens." "Nobody cares." "But black American hero killing white woman was a giant thing." "It was branded as the 'trial of the century', and my mother said, "If O.J. Had killed Marguerite, this would not be the trial of the century, and his black ass would be in jail."" "The Simpson Case never felt like a real murder case." "It felt like a media circus." "I would walk out the door, and there would be the press standing right there with microphones, and cameras and I'm wearing a white dress, and the press is holding microphones in my face, and saying, "what's the significance of the white dress?"" ""What does it mean?"" "You know, it was clean." "There was a certain amount of denial" "I was living in in terms of how much attention I would get at any given point." "As you can see, Clark is smack-dab in the middle of a national debate, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the O.J. Simpson trial." "Here's more on the story from Judy Muller." "I really hated it." "The coverage of it became, you know, real infotainment." "O.J. Girlfriend in Playboy," "O.J. Girlfriend before Grand Jury." "O.J. Defense Tip Hotline unplugged." "O.J. Houseboy's girlfriend holds news conference." "The O.J. Stories are everywhere." "So is the ET coverage." "Ourjob is to tell people what happened today, and what was important." "We have lost sight of giving people the news in terms of its significance." "We're giving it to them in terms of what we think simply is the most titillating and the most ratings-grabbing." "You think he'd be there for you the way you were there for him?" "The celibacy thing, I don't know about." "There was so much hand- wringing at TV networks, and at The New York Times." "There was one editor at The Times who was quoted as saying, "Now I find myself reading the Enquirer every week, and chasing leads out of it."" "I think we have to ask at what point do what should be journalistic decisions become marketing decisions?" "I think a lot of the elitism went out of the mainstream media at that point." "And they're like, "well, if this is what people want, this is what we're going to give them."" "Tonight the woman who calls herself" "Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend, Faye Resnick." "If Nicole was caught talking to the gas station attendant, he would make it seem as if she was having an affair with him." "The cameras in the courtroom, I think, gave too much notoriety to the witnesses." "I heard a thumping noise." "How many thumps did you hear?" "Three." "(thud, thud, thud)" "Someone pointed out and said," ""There's Kato Kaelin."" "I'll say, "Oh, yeah."" "And I'll gawk like everybody else." "The same can be said for all the attendants, in the courtroom, I mean, I remember one day" "I saw Marcia and she said, "Larry King is in chambers with Judge Ito."" "Did you talk about him possibly appearing on your show?" "They made everyone celebrities." "I understood money and attorneys, reputation and celebrity." "And who am I?" "I'm a nobody." "I am nobody." "I began to get some insight into Fuhrman, and I said, "There's thejugular vein."" "All we have to do is cut that." "And there's nothing left of consequence." "He was going to be theirfall guy." "We all knew it." "But they were going to go after him any way they could." "We heard from a guy that Fuhrman wanted ajob in South Africa." "He wanted to be in a force where you could shoot niggers that have not been accused of anything." "Another witness said Fuhrman had pulled her over, and when he did a Corvette went by with a black guy driving and a nice looking white girl." "And Fuhrman spewed out a line of epithets about how unconstitutional that was, for this guy to be running around with a white woman." "These stories were hair-raising." "These allegations get more outrageous by the minute." "And I'm stricken again by the preposterousness of the claims of the defense." "The people respectfully submit to the court that what we have here is not a defense, it's a smear campaign." "We made him a central part, consistent with the themes that he's the boogeyman." "Who is Mark Fuhrman, and what was he like?" "I got a bunch of calls from black police officers, who said, "Fuhrman is absolutely not a racist."" "His former commanding officer, who happens to be black, told me that he was one of those people who made the most remarkable turnaround, and became such an exceptional detective, and was really a good guy." "Joining us now is the former chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, Daryl Gates." "We knew that the police department would take a very defensive posture." "I think the record supports the fact that Mark was a good police officer." "That he was a nice young man." "He was not a racist, he was this and that." "The better he played to us." "You cannot take the words of a defense team as the gospel in the city of Los Angeles." "(applause)" "There was one glove found at the crime scene." "Its match was found at his house bearing the blood and hair and fiber from Ron and Nicole." "How does it get more incriminating than that?" "And that's why the defense knew they had to knock out that glove." "I had to go." "One way or another." "Atruck hitting me, they would have done whatever it took to get rid of me." "None of them thought that I planted that glove." "But they wanted the question to loom." "I am convinced that glove was placed there." "We call that framing a guilty man." "I mean, look, cops plant guns, I mean, why do you think they plant guns?" "They don't plant guns on somebody who they perceive as innocent, they plant guns on somebody who they think is a dirt bag, and they had maybe a questionable shooting, so they needed to place the other gun in orderto justify their shootings." "Mark Fuhrman picked the glove up at the scene, put it in a baggie, and carried it with him until he had a chance, with no witnesses, to plant it." "Do you realize how ignorant he sounds?" "You have a man that's a famous attorney, that has made up everything without a shred of evidence, and then you have people hook, line and sinker, go, "Yeah."" "I do not for one second believe there was any sort of conspiracy here." "15 people were at the scene before Fuhrman got there, and viewed the left-handed glove." "The right glove was found behind the bungalow when he ran into the air conditioner and dropped it." "Fuhrman would have been willing to sacrifice his career and be convicted of a felony when he didn't know who did it." "And on top of it, there's absolutely no motivation for anyone to want to do this." "O.J. Had sinned having a consort, let alone a wife, of white race." "It was a capital offense in Fuhrman's mind." "So that would justify to him whatever he did." "And he had come to O.J.'s house, when Nicole complained to police, as she often did, that O.J. Was going to beat her up." "When Fuhrman got there, they sent him home." "No complaint." "I think Mark Fuhrman dwelled on it, and was inspired by it." "The People call Detective Mark Fuhrman." "Detective Fuhrman, can you tell us how you feel about testifying today?" "Nervous." "Reluctant." "Will you tell us why?" "Since June 13th, it seems that" "I've seen a lot of the evidence ignored, and a lot of personal issues come to the forefront." "If I don't put him on I basically can't put the glove into evidence." "And if I don't do that, it looks like an admission that it was planted." "So I had no choice." "What did you do next?" "I asked Mr. Kaelin if anything unusual happened last night." "He said he heard a crash, or thump on his wall, he thought there was going to be an earthquake, and his picture shook." "He looks confident, he's tall, he's nice looking, has nice hair." "He came off as a nice guy to the jury." "I walked out of the driveway, and I started walking in the direction going back towards Kaelin's room." "They had no reason to doubt him." "I continued walking down the path, and saw what now I identified as a possible glove." "If he were telling the truth, that would condemn O.J." "Thank you, Sir, I have nothing further." "Early, early, early on," "Fuhrman had been a witness that Lee staked out, and he wanted to take." "I thought it required to dismantle this guy, as he should be dismantled, the work of somebody with a lot of cross-examination experience." "I was the only one on the Defense team that fit that bill." "He's one of my heroes." "F. Lee Bailey." "Mr. Bailey, what do you think" "Sam Sheppard's chances are of going free?" "Sam is free, and he's going to stay that way and the odds are astronomical." "F. Lee Bailey was one of the great criminal advocates of his time, for sure." "He pioneered a lot of, you know, great techniques as a criminal defense lawyer." "As far as I'm concerned right now, Lee Bailey is the doctor, he's a surgeon, and I do what he tells me." "He was obviously a man of great ability." "Detective Fuhrman, you went out there in the alley, where you've never been before." "Yes, I went in that pathway." "You walked there by yourself, correct?" "Yes." "You had three detectives, who were armed, in the house, and didn't tell any of them where you were going, correct?" "That's correct." "The purpose of a cross-examination is to peel back the witness' outer skin, and let thejury see what's underneath." "If it's a saint, you're going to get buried, but if it's a Fuhrman, you'll be making money every minute of the day." "Didn't it seem strange to you that after seven and a half hours that glove still showed moist, sticky blood," "Detective Fuhrman?" "No, I knew nothing at that time when it was deposited, or left there." "That's seven and a half hours." "That's enough for blood to dry, isn't it?" "Under certain conditions, yes, I'm sure it would be." "Unless it's encased in plastic, or rubber, and evaporation is stopped." "Wouldn't you agree?" "No." "I thought Mark Fuhrman told the truth about what happened." "But, F. Lee Bailey, in his brief starturn, knew how to pin him down." "Detective Fuhrman, when you said earlier that you were concerned about matters that you viewed as irrelevant, that was about certain language that some find offensive." "Yes." "Okay." "I tried to put my best demeanor forward, and as professional as I could, but it was pure survival mode." "Do you use the word nigger in describing people?" "No, sir." "Have you used that word in the past ten years?" "Not that I recall, no." "You mean, if you called someone a nigger, you have forgotten it?" "I'm not sure I can answer that question the way you phrased it, Sir." "I had a dozen witnesses that would bury him as a racist, so I wanted him to lie." "Do you have difficulty understanding the question?" " Yes." " I'll rephrase." "I want you to assume that perhaps at some time, since 1985 or six, you addressed a member of the African-American race as a nigger." "Is it possible that you have forgotten that act on your part?" "No, it's not possible." "No I didn't, yes I did." "Which one's right?" "One you're lying, one you're a racist." "I whacked him with it really hard." "In the face." "And you say under oath, that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman?" "That's what I'm saying, Sir." "So that anyone who comes to this court, and quotes you as using that word, in dealing with African-Americans would be a liar, would they not, Detective Fuhrman?" "Yes, they would." "All of them." " Correct?" " All of them." "I didn't use that word to people." "Face to face, suspect to police." "Had I ever used the word?" "Well, obviously, yes." "That's all I have, Your Honor." "Alright, thank you very much." "You're excused, Sir." "Once Judge Ito allowed race into this trial, there was no escaping anything for me." "I had a visceral reaction to Fuhrman's testimony." "It just didn't seem credible." "Another cop, white cop." "Prejudice, bias." "Watch out." "The way you work around something like that is to deal with the physical objective evidence that we had." "This was a case about blood." "That was the heart of the case." "Simpson had cuts on his left hand, particularly on the middle knuckle." "How did you get the injury on your hand?" "I don't know." "To the left hand side of the bloody shoe prints, walking away, there were five blood drops found." "Those blood drops were tested through different DNAanalyses, and by different labs, and it came back to Simpson." "Quite simply, that was Simpson's blood." "Inside the Bronco we have Nicole's blood, we have Ron's blood smeared inside there, and we have O.J.'s blood." "2.1 miles away from the Bundy crime scene, we've got blood drops in the driveway, blood drops inside the house." "The best thing about scientific evidence is that it's objective, it doesn't have biases or prejudices, that's why we concentrated so much on DNA we went to two labs, first time ever that's been done." "We gave them sample after sample." "We gave the opportunity to prove that it wasn't O.J. Simpson." "I could have been the biggest hero, perhaps in Los Angeles, if not the country, if I could have walked into court a week after he'd been arrested, and said, "Guess what?" "It's not O.J. Simpson."" "But all the DNAevidence points to Mr. Simpson as being the person who committed those horrible crimes." "I think a lot of people stayed supportive up until the DNA." "I was 99.9% sure he was the killer right then." "As the results were coming in," "Mr. Simpson was saying, "Look, you know," "I can't explain it, but it's not true."" "There were six lawyers in court." "Sometimes seven, nine behind the scenes." "There were two lawyers, Barry and Johnnie." "Barry did the science, and Johnnie did everything else." "And even Barry did everything else." "He had a single minded focus, and purpose, and he emerged over the course of the trial as second chair in the case." "Good morning, Mr. Fung." "How are you, Sir?" "Morning." "My favorite lawyer was Barry Scheck." "He was the most colorful." "I thought he was brilliant." "Why don't we talk about the envelope for a minute." "There was a key piece of evidence which was the envelope that Ronald Goldman was bringing back to Nicole, and there was some foot impressions in blood on the envelope." "Mr. Fung, when you are collecting an item which could contain fingerprints, you would not touch that item with your bare hand, would you?" "I would try not to." "Well, you say you try not to, it would be wrong to do that." "Wouldn't it?" "Yes." "We had looked at hours and hours and hours of news footage of Mr. Fung and Miss Mazzola picking up items of evidence at the crime scene." "Did you touch that envelope with your bare hands while collecting it, Mr. Fung?" "No." "Are you sure of that?" "Yes." "I'd like to show you this piece of videotape, Mr. Fung." "There, there." "How about that, Mr. Fung?" "Is that a question, Mr. Scheck?" "Yes, how about that picture, Mr. Fung, does that refresh your recollection that you took the envelope from Andrea Mazzola with your bare hand?" "It could be anything." "They called it a Perry Mason moment." "You know, it was just a good impeachment of the witness but in some ways it really encapsulated the problem that they'd used terrible methods in terms of gathering this evidence and potentially cross-contaminating it and destroying it, just very precious" "crime scene evidence." "I found that the specimen handling procedures were done in such a manner that there's a tremendous risk of the potential of cross contamination." "Something we'd never do unless you absolutely have to is cover a body because of contamination." "A sheet was overthe body." "You recall seeing that?" "I believe it was a blanket, yes." "Do you know where that blanket came from?" "I believe the inside of the house." "And can you tell us, Detective, who took this blanket out and put it overthe body, who did that?" "I did." "You have to make some decisions to protect the evidence." "Cameras were looking right down on the crime scene, all the evidence, the bodies." "As a general principle as a criminalist, you try at all costs to avoid taking an object that could have lots of hairs and fibers on it, and putting it right into the middle of a crime scene, don't you?" "That's correct." "That's a terrible mistake from the point of view of a criminalist, isn't it?" "Yes." "Overthe past few days, the defense has chipped away at the growing presumption of O.J. Simpson's guilt." "The way evidence was collected, the way it was processed, the way it was stored gave rise to reasonable question as to whether something wrong could've happened." "You did not change gloves between the collection of each sample, did you?" "Not that I can recall, no." "Dennis Fung was a definite weak link." "This kid, he tries, okay?" "They ripped him up terribly." "On July 3rd, you saw blood on the gate that you collected." "Yes." "Let's look back at the picture of the gate on June 13th." "Where is it, Mr. Fung?" "I can't see it in the pic... photograph." "We don't know what happened to that blood." "All I know is when I was listening, they was saying they took a picture where there wasn't no blood on the back gate." "And then a month later, there was some blood." "Why it didn't get picked up, why it didn't get collected, difficult to explain." "In the fog of war, people on the scene and all the activity going on around it, things get missed." "It is my opinion that, that the bloodstain contained EDTA." "EDTA is a preservative that was added to the blood samples taken from Simpson, and the victims, and if EDTA is present on the evidence, the defense says the blood may have been planted." "In your blood right nowthere is a low level of EDTA, because it's in everything you eat, it's in the laundry detergent, it's everywhere." "You're going to find EDTA no matter what you do." "But the defense is trying to insinuate that somebody took the blood that had been drawn from Simpson's arm, and took that test tube, and sprinkled it all overthe crime scene." "And it's ridiculous." "When you took O.J.'s blood sample, you were at a place called Parker Center?" "Yes, sir." "What type of security did you use forthat blood vial?" "I placed it in a manila envelope, maintained control of it, and hand-delivered it to the criminalist." "Where was the criminalist?" "At Rockingham." "You're bringing the suspect's blood back to a crime scene where we're collecting blood?" "Really?" "How many times have you taken blood from Parker Center out to a crime scene?" "I don't know, this may have been the first time." "I don't know." "I can't recall right now any other times that I've done that." "If you're ajuror who has grown up in Los Angeles, and spent your whole life hearing that the L.A.P.D." "Is capable of doing anything to a Black person, and you hearthat, you've just been handed some doubt." "When did we start carrying blood in our pocket?" "When did our SID lab stop wearing gloves?" "When did we not book stuff in a timely fashion?" "That... there's no rationale for that." "We had a, I think, a pretty good demonstrative of a black box." "The idea was that certain crime scene evidence came in and the black box was the L.A.P.D., and the way they handled the evidence, and on the other side were all the results from Cellmark, the F.B.I., the DNA laboratories." "It was pretty simple when you broke it down." "Garbage in, garbage out." "I mean, you cannot go back and say," ""well, maybe they planted evidence on the glove," ""maybe on the back gate, oh, there's blood missing."" "Big deal." "How can that be a big deal?" "Scheck was very disingenuous." "I mean, EDTA, missing blood, coincidence?" "Corroboration." "Something is terribly wrong." "It was absolute nonsense." "You believe that that blood was planted by the L.A.P. D?" "You know, it's not my job to believe, or not believe." "Could the police officers in Los Angeles have planted evidence against Mr. Simpson in this case to improve their chances of winning?" "You know, there was certainly good evidence to support that hypothesis." "Barry Scheck really was an expert." "Can you remember the whole business about development length and the notion of controls failing?" "He knewthat so much of what he was trying to show with these witnesses was just garbage." "Mr. Yamauchi opened up the reference tube in the morning and spilled out the blood." "It was unethical." "He argued things he knew were not true, he knew could not be true." "The most likely and probable inference is the one that is not for the timid orthe faint of heart." "Somebody played with this evidence." "And there's no doubt about it." "Just so I'm clear, you believe that all the blood evidence in the case..." "You know, you're asking me this question, do I believe..." "Think, you know, is not the, because you're... the, as you know from meticulously researching this case, and this has been written about, we presented, you know, sound arguments and evidence to explain each piece of this evidence," "and how it got there." "You know, I'm not omniscient." "Do you think you did what you needed to do?" "I did the best I could." "It's the best defense money can buy, and that's very expensive." "For O.J. Simpson, an estimated 50,000 dollars a day." "O.J. Had money to spend, and a willingness to spend it on his own defense." "This was the first for me." "Zillionaires, one of a kind." "He'd been in jail two orthree days, tops." "The first thing he wanted to do is to make sure that we started marketing and merchandising and generating a lot of money." "Because O.J. Was not convicted of any crime, and autographs was his normal business," "he was allowed to still sign autographs in jail." "Rather than taking a jersey into the jail to be signed, he would take a number in, like this, he would sign the number, and then the number would be put onto ajersey like this." "Ratherthan being able to take in a whole football, would take in a panel." "He would sign the panel, then the panel would be sent in to the company, then you'd have a football." "I'm not sure what drove the market, but it was driven." "It was nonstop." "There were times he'd sit there, and go through 2500 cards." "And then say, "Okay, so 2500 cards times 25 dollars."" "He'd run the math." "And he said, "Not bad."" "He sat in jail, we did three million dollars in autographs." "It just went and went and went." "There was no end." "Photos of he and Johnnie Cochran that he and Johnnie signed." "That's probably the only item that" "I did it, and I'd look back, and I thought," ""Man, this sucks, I can't believe we did this."" "The Goldmans were screaming, but you're innocent until convicted." "What was found on the glove at Rockingham?" "Simpson's blood, Nicole's blood, Ron's blood." "That glove is now tied into three people, that can only intersect when they're bleeding." "That might be a time frame that might be a little difficult to put together, unless you are killing two people and cutting yourself." "Whoever wore that glove killed those people?" "Yes." "I'd like to show you a pair of gloves." "Showing you People's 164A." "That is an Aris Leather Light glove that was an exclusive glove for Bloomingdale's." "And what is the size?" "Size is extra large." "Is that a Bloomingdale's credit card sales receipt?" "Yes." "And is there a signature on the credit card receipt?" "Yes." "Can you read that signature to us?" "Nicole Brown." "It was later in the afternoon, and the person they had giving the testimony regarding the glove." "Wait, may I try this on?" "You could see where it was leading up to." "So, this is an extra large glove?" "Yes." "Extra large is kind of small?" "No, but they stretch." "Obviously, it was too big." "At 24 years old I could see this is a trick." "Don't fall for it." "We can see that that glove is big on his hand." "You don't have to do anything." "That afternoon I got a call from Marcia, basically affirming the game plan, "we're not trying the glove on, right?"" "There's too much of a gamble here." "It's shrunk, he's probably been working out his hand, absolutely not." "I went over to him, and said, "Chris, you know you're a good shit, but you've got the balls of a stud fieldmouse." "That glove won't fit O.J., and if you don't show thejury that, be it the fact, I will."" "Chris says, "I want to do it."" "And I told him in no uncertain terms why we should not be doing this, and he said, "well, if we don't, they will."" "And I said, "Then let them, let them." "And we can show why it was a bullshit experiment, it was never going to work, between the shrinkage and the latex, it's never going to fit him the same way." "Don't do this." "It was the biggest fight Chris and I ever had." "Darden, I think felt, "You know, I've been pushed around in this courtroom enough, I've been made to feel small."" "You could see the disaster coming." "There's a camera to our right." "Watching everything." "Johnnie comes back from sidebar, and says," ""Okay guys, they're going to ask O.J. To try on the gloves." "I don't want anyone to react."" "We've been rejoined by all the members of ourjury panel." "Mr. Darden, do you have any further questions of Mr. Rubin?" "Just a few, Your Honor." "Your Honor, at this time, the People would ask that Mr. Simpson step forward and try on the glove recovered at Bundy, as well as the glove recovered at Rockingham." "He can do that seated there." "You could hear a pin drop." "O.J. Was initially seated, putting on the first glove." "I'm handing Mr. Simpson the left glove from Rockingham." "And right when it was clear it did not fit," "O.J. Goes into Naked Gun mode." "He stands up, and shows his hand, and that's when he's now, "Okay."" "The guy's an actor, for God sakes." "He's playing to 50 million people." "Alright, records reflect Mr. Simpson has both gloves." "What was he going to do?" "Make a good faith effort with plastic over his hands?" "Alright, will you show that to the jury," "Mr. Simpson, and the (inaudible)" "The whole thing was so wildly inconceived, so totally inappropriate, so doomed to failure." "The idea that Chris Darden would do this." "Mr. Darden, would you wrap it up, please?" "I looked at him like, "I can't believe you did it." "You let him play you." "You are the weaker one."" "And you didn't have to be." "You just take the gloves, you take both attorneys, and the deputy, and the suspect, and you go into chambers." "And you do it on the record in chambers." "You don't do it with latex underneath." "My grandson couldn't have gotten into those gloves with latex underneath." "Did you observe the manner in which Mr. Simpson put the gloves on today?" "Yes, I did." "You've seen people put gloves on in the past." "Yes, I have." "Did he put the gloves on in a manner consistent with what you've seen other people..." "Objection, your honor..." "Sustained." "Thejury observed what happened." "It made the prosecution look silly." "Anything unusual about the way" "Mr. Simpson put the gloves on, based on your experience?" "Object, Your Honor." "Sustained." "I felt sorry for him." "Because he looked weak." "I have nothing further." "This was the definition of the trial lawyer's mistake." "Don't ask a question to which you don't knowthe answer." "He didn't know whether that glove fit." "Chris honestly felt that he would have a dramatic courtroom moment by demonstrating the gloves fit." "It was an intuitive move on his part, and it was a mistake." "Had O.J. Never put that glove on," "I would have assumed that it fit." "I saw how big it was." "And that's when I just knew that, you know, why is this guy here?" "He's ruining this case." "Outside of Perry Mason, what could be more dramatic than O.J. Simpson showing the jury that the killer's gloves don't fit." "Prosecutorial attempts at damage control might not be able to undermine the power of that image." "The funny thing about the glove, he didn't want to put them on." "I said, "Look, if you're worried about the gloves fitting or not fitting, just don't take your arthritis medicine, no big deal."" "And he said, "Mike, my hands would hurt like hell."" "And I said, "why would they hurt like hell?"" "And he, and you could just see the light click, you know, just, ah, hands would get swollen, and couldn't bend his knuckles." "So, he didn't take arthritis medicine for like two weeks." "Do you think that made a difference?" "Well, he couldn't bend his hands." "You tell me." "One day a friend of O.J.'s, Alan Austin, came up to me, and he said, "Answer a question for me." "What would Mark Fuhrman have to know before he placed the glove there?"" "Well, I don't know." "He said, "He would have to know that" "Orenthal James Simpson, a six foot two and a half black guy living in a white world had no alibi." "He was in no woman's bed, he was in no restaurant, he was on no airplane, he had no alibi." "So how could Mark Fuhrman place that glove if he didn't know that?"" "And I said, "Are you telling me he's guilty?"" "And Alan just nodded." "And the tears were streaming down my face." "And suddenly, I felt cuckolded." "Because I'm telling you if O.J. Had put his face up to the glass to me, and said," ""Something happened, and I just snapped, and I went crazy."" "I would've defended and forgiven him." "When he put his face next to the glass, and said, "I swear to God I didn't do this,"" "and then it suddenly looked like he did," "I got angry, I felt wounded, I felt betrayed." "I know it sounds naive, I know it sounds stupid, it just didn't occur to me that he could do that." "Dr. Golden dictating autopsy case 94-05136, autopsy on Nicole Brown Simpson." "Having studied the crime scene," "I believe that Nicole had come out of the house expecting Ron Goldman." "She encountered O.J., then she was quickly subdued." "There was evidence of blunt force trauma near the crown of her head, possibly consistent, per the testimony of the coroner with having been struck by the butt end of the knife." "Scalp bruised, right parietal." "I believe she went down." "Four stab wounds, three deep, one shallow were inflicted upon the left side of her neck." "Her head was on the first step above the lower pavement level where the rest of her body was." "I believe that Ron Goldman came upon the scene after Nicole had been subdued." "As Ron came upon Nicole, as he moved forward, to the fallen Nicole, O.J. Grabbed Ron from behind, and probably had the knife at his throat." "Simpson's left hand was perhaps around Ron's chest, and in the course of short exchange, which could have include some sort of taunting," "Simpson poked Ron in the right cheek five times, and then drew the knife blade twice across his throat." "I suspect Ron, in an effort to free himself from Simpson's grasp, went to the hand that was controlling him, Simpson's left hand, grabbed it, pulled it and probably in the process wrenched the glove from Simpson's hand," "hence the left hand glove being found in the foliage." "And then Ron turned with his back inside the security bars at the foot of the stairs, it was in effect a killing cage." "Ron had bars to his left, bars behind him, tree to his right, stairwell coming down, and he had a very strong, powerful figure with a very sharp knife slashing at him." "Ron suffered defense wounds to both of his hands, deep defensive wounds, so he's clearly trying to parry the knife." "He suffered a number of stab wounds, as he's twisting and turning in the scene." "At one point Simpson catches Ron, with a, it was kind of a sweeping stabbing motion to Ron's left flank." "And the knife blade penetrates Ron's abdomen, and almost completely severs his abdominal artery." "You've got about a minute to live because of the massive bleedout." "Blood is filling Ron's abdominal cavity, blood is pouring out of the wound of Ron's left flank, soaking the left pants leg of Ron." "And ultimately after a matter of some seconds, it's hard to determine how many, I believe" "Ron simply sank to the ground in a seated position with his back against the upright bars." "As we know from the evidence, there was movement between the two bodies." "I suspect Simpson went back to Nicole's body, lifted her head by grabbing her blonde head hair, and causing the massive incise wound across her neck, in the process severing just about everything in her neck and putting a quarter-inch nick" "in her C3 vertebrae." "This is a fatal sharp force injury." "Simpson moves back to Ron Goldman, grabs his shirt so it would be above Ron's right shoulder, transferring blood, head hairs, from Nicole to Ron's shirt, twists Ron's body to the side," "and we know there were four deep intersecting knife wounds to the left side of Ron's neck." "In my opinion, overkill." "With regard to Ron, overkill." "With regard to Nicole." "Simpson at this point stepped back, stepped in the blood that's pumping from Nicole, and in what appears to be a very even stride, goes up the steps, and out of the crime scene, towards the back of the house," "towards the alley, where the Bronco had to have been parked." "(barking dog)" "Listen." "I just flat out, categorically deny the fact that he could do that." "Period." "I came up from court one day, and Bill said, "I've got some bad news."" "More, again?" "He said, "There are some tapes."" "What if it could be proved that Detective Mark Fuhrman lied on the witness stand when he denied ever using the word nigger?" "Oh, no." "Both sides want to get their hands on the twelve hours of taped interviews" "Fuhrman gave screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny as background for herfictional script on L. A. Police." "On the tapes, Fuhrman used racial epithets and talked of framing people." "What the fuck, dude?" "We were not aware of the tapes." "Should he have told you about them?" "We were not aware of the tapes." "It was pennies from heaven." "We'd been given a gift." "Miss Drummond." "Listening to that, I just felt like somebody opened up a drainpipe and just rolled it over my body." "Things that were said resonated with things I had heard for 30 years or more about the way that cops think, and act." "When you hear those things, some of the characters in that screenplay" "I wrapped around some of the people that I knew, on L.A.P.D. And other departments." "I can remember where I heard them," "I can remember some who said them, and then there's a little exaggeration in it." "Fuhrman may say he was just fictionalizing, but his words rang true." "Does that mean that he planted a glove?" "No, it doesn't mean he planted a glove." "It doesn't even necessarily mean that he's an authentic racist." "But it means he's prepared to act like one." "Yeah, it was pretty bad." "And there's nothing that you can take back, there's not like a, "Oh, gee, gosh, I'm sorry."" "We came to this court seven months ago, expecting a fair trial." "My son had a right to it, we as a family had a right to it," "Nicole and her family had a right to it." "Instead we get this crap spewed in front of the cameras fortwo hours." "For what purpose?" "I'd love to know what thejudge had in mind." "This is now the Fuhrman trial." "It's not the trial of O.J. Simpson, who is accused of murdering my son and Nicole." "(crowd chanting) We wantjustice!" "(crowd chanting) We wantjustice!" "In all their ugliness, the tapes have now been made public, but Judge Lance Ito has yet to decide if thejury will hear what others already have." "The tapes shall be released." "We want them now." "We wantjustice now." "Thejudge was on the fence as to whether or not he was going to let certain stuff come in." "That required people speaking out to say, "This is not something you should be hiding from they jury."" "We know that if you can railroad O.J. Simpson with his millions of dollars and his Dream Team of legal experts, we know what you can do to the average African-American and other decent citizens in this country." "It was bigger than O.J. Simpson." "Something larger than him is at stake." "Release the tapes, release the tapes." "O.J. Simpson became a symbol of that decade, of that time, of that response to has the mentality of America changed in the civil rights struggle." "Or is it business as usual?" "(chanting)" "For me, as a progressive Christian," "Democrat, I'm going like, "when are we going to go back to the evidence?"" "You would find yourself in a room of ministers and community leaders, and the conversation inevitably would go back to O.J. And how O.J. Was being mistreated." "Justice be done in the courtroom, we pray, "Yes!"" "We are talking aboutjustice!" "Instead of getting in and saying, "Free O.J.", as if he was a political prisoner, it for me was, "Let mejust get quiet."" "Let me sit there and say nothing." "Free O.J., free O.J." "I really do believe privately a lot of African-American leaders felt the same." "If this case gets covered up underthe rug, we will nevertrust the criminal justice system again." "You turned O.J. Simpson into a civil rights cause." "Do you at all regret that?" "Absolutely not." "O.J. Simpson was a vessel." "He was merely a tool that allowed something to come out and be exposed." "So you were using O.J. Simpson foryour own cause?" "I was using O.J. Simpson for our cause." "For black people's cause." "There was a realness to the people who were responding to the Fuhrman tapes outside the courtroom." "What was going on inside the courtroom was manipulation to the extreme." "This is a blockbuster." "This is a bombshell." "This is perhaps the biggest thing that's happened in any case in this country in this decade, and they know it." "They've got to face up to it!" "No one planted any evidence at any time." "There has been no false statement made about where that evidence was found, the analysis of the evidence or its results." "And the defense wants to squirm away from that fact by playing the race card." "This isn't about any race card." "This is about credibility card." "This is about perjury." "The whole case got forgotten." "It was all about Fuhrman now, it was all about racial injustice." "Occasionally these cartoonists come up with something that's edifying." "It's a little child, speaking to his mother, watching television, who says," ""what's the forbidden 'N' word they keep" ""talking about, Mommy?"" "She said, "Nicole."" "O.J. Simpson's defense team, stunned by Judge Ito's ruling last night, that only two excerpts of the inflammatory" "Fuhrman tapes, filled with racial slurs, may be presented to the jury." "We think this jury is much smarter than this judge gives them credit for." "What he let in was enough." "Then we have two excerpts Your Honor, we would like to play at this point, if we could." "It's a slap." "It's a slap." "Every time you hear it." "We have no niggers where I grew up." "Do you recall him saying that?" "Yes." "To hear anybody speak on race like that, is not okay with me." "When Officer Fuhrman used the word nigger, it was not lighthearted, it was something that he would use in normal conversation." "Devastating." "I believe those tapes never should have been allowed in." "What is the nexus between the tapes and the murder?" "What does it have to do with the evidence?" "What proof is there that any evidence was planted?" "Well, it definitely became believable that he was capable." "And I didn't have trust in him anymore." "He was using it in a demeaning, derogatory fashion." "You're saying what's on those tapes is not reflective of your attitudes, or your experiences?" "I don't know how you feel, or see me, but I can tell you this." "You would be shocked if you saw me in the field." "I was so fair beyond, beyond all scope of what you had to be." "Fighting?" "I didn't use tasers." "I didn't use sticks." "When I fought a suspect, I fought straight up." "I was fair on the street." "There was a time that I was pretty violent." "But that was long before I was on the police force." "Alright, Mr. Uelmen, I take it at this point you wish to recall Detective Fuhrman?" "Yes, Your Honor." "I didn't want to look at him, he made me sick." "You have been a liarthroughout." "And the only reason I know that you didn't plant the evidence is because you couldn't have." "Otherwise, I'm with them." "Detective Fuhrman, was the testimony that you gave at the preliminary hearing in this case completely truthful?" "I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege." "And one of the most shocking moments was when he took the Fifth." "You don't see police officers take the Fifth." "Have you ever falsified a police report?" "I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege." "Any kind of questioning is going to help to convict him one way or another so he had to take the Fifth to avoid incriminating himself." "A lot of people don't understand about the Fifth." "If you answer one question, you answer them all." "I can't let the Defense attorney just run with me." "I had to plead the Fifth." "Is it your intention to assert your" "Fifth Amendment privilege with respect to all questions that I ask you?" "Yes." "Could I have a moment?" "Certainly." "That's the main question." "I mean, he didn't ask the main question." "Did you plant the glove?" "That was the most important." "It didn't matter, he wasn't going to answer." "I only need one other question, Your Honor." "What was that, Mr. Uelmen?" "Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?" "Hell, no, I don't plant evidence." "That's your response." "And you get incensed." "L.A.P.D. Cops don't plant evidence." "I made a damn fool of myself by using a racial epithet, I never should have done that." "You lay it out, because you've got nothing else to lose." "I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege." "He didn't do that." "Why in the hell wouldn't you do that?" "For you, it's a documentary." "For me, it's the end of my life." "Now I'm going to tell you a story." "In 1989," "I was married, I had a house, had a daughterthat was born in '91, a son that was born in '93." "Had this group of friends, unbelievable friends." "Every one of them was different than me, though." "They all came from intact families, fathers, houses they still go back to, rooms that they still had, but they welcomed me into this group." "I thought I had it made." "I finally was really happy forthe first time in my life." "Then I answered a phone." "I call upon the public to remember that Mark Fuhrman is not the L.A.P.D." "The vast majority of men and women at L. AP.D." "Are hardworking, honest people." "They're husbands, they're wives, they're sons, they're daughters." "They have mortgages." "They have kids they want to get through school." "They work two and three jobs just like I did as a young officer in the sixties and seventies." "And they want to divorce themselves from what they've heard these past few weeks." "I believe the police force did theirjob, and did it correctly, and I cannot see any way that the framing of O.J. Is something that is valid." "All the evidence points back to the police department, and it looks like a major setup to me." "I think he's innocent." "And notjust because I want him to be, it's just based upon the facts that have been given." "I have found most people to be vehemently convinced that O.J. Simpson is guilty of this double murder." "Well, I believe that he was set up." "And he's a black man in America, and black men in America have a hard time getting justice." "O.J. Was known as a very good Black man who had appeal across the board, racially." "Whether O.J.'s guilty or not, is maybe why you're here." "But my theory's that people who live out in Iowa, or out in farmland, who've never intereacted with us, will suddenly have a negative opinion of us." "The Black man's image, and the beating that it's taken after we've worked so hard to show that we're not all criminals." "The long awaited closing arguments in the O.J. Simpson trial." "This is the last great hurdle for the lawyers, as they try to convince thejury that their version of events is the right one." "Good morning, ladies and gentlemen." "Good morning." "Finally." "I feel like it's been forever since I've talked to you." "It kind of has." "I got up, and I spoke to them." "I gave my argument." "In the course of presenting all of this evidence, some evidence has been presented to you that really is not relevant to answerthe question of who murdered Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown." "And it's up to you, the jury, to weed out the distractions, weed out the sideshows and determine what evidence is it that really helps me answerthis question." "I thought, "They're listening with half an ear."" "From 9:36 until 10:54, the defendant's whereabouts were unaccounted for." "At 10:43, Allan Park, the limo driver, saw a person approximately six feet tall, two hundred pounds, African-American, wearing all dark clothing walking up the driveway." "Stone faced." "Marcia Clark." "You are truly a marvelous jury." "Perhaps the most patient, and healthy jury we've ever seen." "When Johnnie was up there, they were, "Oh, we're there, we are there."" "Like the defining moment in this trial, the day Mr. Darden asked Mr. Simpson to try on those gloves and the gloves didn't fit, rememberthese words." "It was the weekend after the glove demonstration, and we were talking, and you know," "Jerry was on the speaker phone." "He says, "Hey guys, hey, hey hey." "I've got, I've got a phrase."" "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." "The room then erupted." "High fiving, hey, hey, hey." "What everybody remembers about Johnnie Cochran's summation is, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."" "Which was cute and fine, but it wasn't the heart of the summation." "The heart of the summation was, "whose side are you on?"" "When you go back in thejury room, some of you may want to say that, "well, gee, you know," "boys will be boys, this is just like police talk, this is the way they talk."" "That's not acceptable." "That's the consciousness of this community." "If you adopt that attitude, that's why we have this." "There's no more powerful a narrative in American society than that of race." "A racist is somebody who has power overyou who can do something to you." "A police officer, in the street, a patrol officer is the single most powerful figure in the criminal justice system." "He can take your life." "And that's why, that's why this has to be rooted out." "He was magical to watch in court." "Just magical." "Stop this cover-up." "Stop this cover-up." "If you don't stop it, then who?" "Do you think the police department's going to stop it?" "Do you think the D.A.'s office is going to stop it?" "Do you think we can stop it by ourselves?" "It has to be stopped by you." "It offended me, because he was using a very serious, for real issue, racial injustice, in defense of a man who wanted nothing to do with the black community." "Van Atter, with his big lies, and then we have" "Fuhrman come right on the heels, and these two twin devils of deception, it's part of a culture of getting away with things." "It's part of a culture of looking the other way." "If we determine the rules as we go along, nobody's going to question us." "We're the L. AP.D." "He and that team were willing to go anywhere that they could to get the killer off." "It's just not honorable." "It's not right." "Officer Fuhrman went on to say that he would like nothing more than to see all niggers gathered together and killed." "He said something about burning them, or bombing them." "There was another man who had those same views." "People didn't care." "People said, "He's just crazy, he's just a half-baked painter."" "They didn't do anything about it." "This man, this scourge became one of the worst people in the history of this world, Adolf Hitler." "The word Hitler had not been in any of the prior drafts." "People didn't care and didn't try to stop him." "He had the power over his racism." "And his anti-religions." "And nobody wanted to stop him, and it ended up in world war II." "I found his closing arguments to be irresponsible." "Thank you, very, very much." "I appreciate your attention." "We have seen a man who perhaps is the worst kind of racist himself." "Someone who shoves racism in front of everything." "Someone who compares a person who speaks racist comments to Hitler." "This man is a disgrace to human beings." "(inaudible) No." "He is one of the most disgusting human beings" "I have ever had to listen to in my life." "He suggests because of racism, we should put aside all other thought, all other reason, and set his murdering client free." "He's a sick man and he ought to be put away." "Johnnie pushed." "I may have used a different analogy but I can't criticize what he did." "Did you go too far with the Hitler analogy?" "Some people are offended by that." "Excuse us, excuse us." "Could you answer it for us, Johnnie?" "Yes." "The playing of the race card as he did in all respects, insinuations that were made," "impacted how I felt about Johnnie." "Do you owe an apology to Fred Goldman?" "He owes an apology to me." "I am so tired of the unfair suggestion that Johnnie Cochran played the race card." "We played the credibility card." "We played the evidence card, man." "You have to look at the evidence in a case." "And who in America can deny the fact that Mark Fuhrman is a genocidal racist?" "He's their witness, he's in the middle of this case, so race has to be an issue." "It would have been contrary to our oath as advocates to ignore race." "And to not exploit it, given the circumstances and the context of this case, in this city and in this time." "The attorneys are telling my brother's story." "And it's very shocking that once Johnnie gets up and starts telling what we feel happens, that this has rocked somebody's world." "I think it's time for everybody to wake up, and realize that we are in a for-real world, and we have dealt with racism all our lives." "Every single day." "It's hard, it's really hard." "This guy's on trial for his life." "Not one word that Johnnie Cochran said was objected to, by the prosecution." "Unlawful, under the rules of evidence." "So, what's the problem?" "On the other hand, really?" "O.J. Simpson as civil rights victim?" "Hero?" "It was disgusting." "It was appalling." "What was your feeling when Mr. Cochran compared Mr. Fuhrman to Adolf Hitler?" "Your personal feeling, Sir?" "I'll address that afterthe jury verdict." "(suspenseful music)" "One month afterthe murders, in July last year, 63% of whites thought Simpson was guilty." "65% of blacks thought he was innocent." "And now, more than a year later, with all of the evidence, having been laid out, 77% of whites think Simpson is guilty, and 72% of blacks believe he is innocent." "Blacks and whites are actually farther apart." "It's not even the trial of the century anymore." "Suddenly, the case of The People Versus O.J. Simpson has become the trial of Los Angeles."