"Where's the remote?" "Is the remote over there?" "7 months from now" "Super Meat Boy Xbox Release Day" "[Sounds of Xbox starting up]" "What the Hell?" "Are you fucking kidding me?" "Are you fucking kidding me?" "I've got plenty of information..." "It's not here." "...I know on our launch day..." "Where is it?" "...Which is our biggest sales day..." "What the FUCK is that!" "?" "!" "...that we're not even featured anywhere..." "I know on our launch day, at this point" "We're going to do worse than all of them." "Indie Game:" "The Movie" "[JON] Part of it is about not trying to be professional." "A lot of people come in to indie games trying to be like a big company." "What those companies do is create highly polished things that serve as large of an audience as possible." "The way that you do that is by filing off all the bumps on something." "If there's a sharp corner, you make sure it's not going to hurt anybody." "If they bump into it or whatever." "That creation of this highly glossy, commercial product" "Is the opposite of making something personal." "[TOMMY] I am determined to make video games and I make video games because I can." "I'm very, very good at programing." "I can still make something that expresses myself." "Like a movie or something that I wrote." "I can make that as a video game." "And I have the full ability to do that." "[JON] Things that are personal have flaws." "They have vulnerabilities." "[PHIL] To me, games are the ultimate art form." "It's just the ultimate medium." "It's the sum total of every expressive medium of all time made interactive." "How is that not..." "It's AWESOME!" "I want to be part of it." "I want to have a say in what becomes of video games." "[JON] If you don't see a vulnerability in somebody..." "You're probably not relating with them on a very personal level." "So it's the same with a game design." "[EDMUND] My whole career has been me, trying to find new ways to communicate with people." "Because, I desperately want to communicate with people." "But I don't want the messy interaction of having to make friends and talk to people." "Because I probably don't like them." "When you make games." "And you put stuff up online." "And people like your stuff or don't like your stuff." "Either way, they're going to give you some kind of feedback." "And you have this conversation." "[TOMMY] It's why a writer writes I guess." "Because they can." "It's the most effective way to express themselves." "And a video game is the most effective way I can express myself." "[JON] Making it was about..." "Let me take my deepest flaws and vulnerabilities and put them in the game." "And let's see what happens." "?" "[Music changes] ?" "[JAMIN] The generation indie game developers are coming from, and I'm part of this generation also, we're the first generation that grew up with video games." "But not as an active purchasing choice." "[ANTHONY] Since I was part of that generation..." "I feel an ownership of it." "Games are mine." "[JAMIN] For anyone that grew up after 1975; 1980 or so we were the first generation to grow up with our parents ...giving us games." "And for us to grow up with games as a natural, and relevant part of our everyday existence." "This is not a weird kid activity for me." "This is not like some strange nerdy pastime." "This has been a part of my life." "[BRANDON] There's been a tendency over the past couple decades in mainstream games to make everything bigger and more realistic." "To 'Amp Up' everything." "[GUS] Big games have other goals." "They want to entertain you." "They want to get 10 million people playing at the same time." "But with Indie Games, it's often 1 person" "Who says:" "I want a game to be like this." "I want a game to be about this special thing." "[CHRIS] Independent games are any game that a small team or individual worked on to their own vision." "Something that they felt like making, coding and finishing." "[RON] The major thing that made this possible is the rise of digital distribution." "Retailers used to have a lot of power over every game creation company." "Because that was the only way to sell games." "Nobody was willing to start distributing games digitally." "Because WalMart would get upset at them." "And take their products off the shelf." "And nothing would happen." "But Valve changed that, when they came out with Steam." "They had no loyalties to retail." "So they just did it." "After that everyone else said:" "'Well, we have to compete with them'" "And there was this whole flood of:" "XBox Live Arcade Playstation network and WiiWare followed suit." "2008 was the first year that indie games started to do really well." "Audiosurf came out on Steam." "Then Castle Crashers and Braid and World of Goo." "Osmos did really well in 2009, 2010." "Then Limbo came out and broke records." "And Minecraft came out as well" "Actually, it came out much earlier, but then it really built up and blew those records away." "And when we're talking about 'really well'  we're talking about millions of dollars in revenue." "So for teams of 200, millions of dollars doesn't really count for much." "But for a team of 2, 3 people  that's really significant money." "[Sounds of Waves Crashing]" "[Sounds of radio tuning] [Multiple podcast voices]" "?" "Hey Everybody, Welcome to 'Elder Speak'..." "?" "With me I've got Gavin from the news... ?" "And special guests:" "Edmund and Tommy from 'Team Meat'" "?" "Who are making 'Super Meat Boy'" "?" "So, with us today is Team Meat... ?" "Team Meat" "?" "Everybody in the indie scene... ?" "...is raving about this... ?" "Meat Boy's Coming!" "?" "Meat Boy's Coming!" "?" "It was all over the place." "?" "This is our biggest interview ever!" "?" "If you've been living under a rock... ?" "...most anticipated releases this Fall... ?" "...it is looking AMAZING!" "I can not wait to see it done..." "[EDMUND] We both approached Super Meat Boy where our goal was to make a game that our 13 yr. old selves would be super fan boys of." "Super Meat Boy has been in development for 11 months." "I know that 13 yr. old Edmund would hear about Meat Boy right now." "He'd be following us on Twitter." "He'd be that annoying kid that was like..." "Hey, send me a build!" "My name is 'Super Meat Boy Fan Boy'" "I've registered it;" "I haven't even played the game yet." "Get me a demo!" "?" "!" "Co'mon!" "I'd totally be that." "Because this game is very... me." "And Tommy would say the same." "I want it to be one of those games that kids would go crazy for on the school yard and passionately argue that 'this game is better than this game'" "This is my room...where I grew up." "As a child" "Yeah, forever this has been my room." "I have a bunch of posters from 'Nintendo Power'" "Way back in the day." "Yeah, this room IS my childhood." "And that's basically what Super Meat Boy is." "It's my and Edmund's childhood, put into game form..." "By ... seemingly ... adult males." "[SPLAT SOUND]" "Super Meat Boy is an upcoming PC and console game  based on a Flash game." "This incredibly hard Flash game that was super super popular." "It's a game that looks like it's going to be traditional in a way." "It's a 'Platformer' This very well know thing." "But it's got a real distinct art style" "And a very quirky point of view." "Super Meat Boy is a retro Platformer." "Where you play as a boy with no skin." "Who's just Meat, basically." "He's trying to rescue his girlfriend, who is made of bandages..." "From an evil doctor, that's a fetus in a jar  wearing a top hat and a monocle." "Dressed in a tuxedo." "During my early years." "Going through school and everything..." "It was all 'Mega Man', 'Mario' and 'Metroid'" "Older, very very difficult games." "Every game on this wall  'F Zero' was hard   'Mega Man' was very difficult." "'Spy Hunter' was stupidly difficult." "In Super Meat Boy, we get to do whatever we want." "We don't have a publisher." "Or investors." "We don't answer to anybody." "A lot of that is shown in the game." "We get away with a lot of stuff." "We can have Dr. Fetus give the middle finger." "Because he only has 3 fingers." "So it's not technically his middle finger." "We can put in any sort of humor or parody that we want." "We have parodies of 'Street Fighter' and 'Castlevania'  'Mega Man' intros ... 'Bubble Bobble'" "'Super Meat Boy' will release on Xbox in 7 months." "People want to know:" "Is this game going to be substantial?" "Or is it just all the quirk and character?" "A lot of people think it's going to be   along the lines of Castle Crashers" "In 2008, 'Castle Crashers' and 'Braid' were the 2 games that  really made people look at go:" "'Oh, I can download games on my Xbox.'" "People are expecting this game to be the next big thing on 'XBLA'." "As long as it comes out and does something ..." "Even if it made me $ 20,000 over the next 2 years or something..." "That would be enough to make the next game." "Based on what I'm living off right now." "And I'd have to do that, because..." "I'm not going to go work at 'EA' or 'Epic'." "That sounds horrible." "That sounds like Hell to me." "So, if it comes out and people don't like it." "And people hate it." "And it has a Metacritic score of, like, 20." "And everyone thinks its awful..." "It doesn't make a difference because ..." "Even though it's a game that people are supposed to buy   it's not a game that I made 'for people'." "I made it for myself." "Ed and I made it as a reflection of ourselves." "And we tried to make it as fun and as accessible as possible." "Whatever." "If people want 'Modern Warfare' or 'Halo Reach' that's fine because I think those games are shit." "If that's what people want." "Then they don't want my games." "Because I don't make shit games." "[ ?" "Gameplay Sound Effects ?" "]" "If you follow Indie Games  even remotely ..." "'FEZ' is one of the projects that you've been hearing about for a while." "It's been several years in development" "FEZ has been in development for the past 3 years." "FEZ will be memorable for it's release .... ... or for never coming out." "[Announcer's voice] And the winner is..." "FEZ!" "So FEZ wins an award at the IGF..." "It was hardly finished." "It won on the back of small tech demo." "[PHIL] In the clear blue sky   an awards ceremony ..." "Within a week, I saw it on EVERY major gaming website." "My name is Phil." "I'm an independent game developer." "It's mostly about this little 2D guy." "Who lives in a 2D world." "And then one day realizes that the world is 3D." "All of a sudden, Phil, who is making this game on his own  with a grant from the Canadian government." "Is some Indie Gaming Rock-star." "[PHIL] This is fucking awesome." "[Audience cheers]" "Phil is trying to walk around in a Cubist painting." "That's what FEZ is   you're walking around a cubist painting." "2D characters in a 3D rotating world." "At any point, you're only seeing one side of the world." "And everybody is clamoring." "They want to see the game." ""When do we get the game..." "When can we play the game..."" "There's been so much speculation about When?" "Where?" "..." "How?" "If EVER this game is going to come out" "FINISH THE GOD DAMN GAME!" "I'm working on it." "As hard as I can." "All the time." ""What's taking so long" "What the fuck are you doing Phil?"" "I'm doing the best I can here!" "I don't hear people bitch about Valve taking" "Well, no, they do bitch about Valve and Episode 3." "BUT NOT AS MUCH AS FEZ!" "And there's hundreds of people working there!" "ICO took five years..." "Red Dead Redemption:" "A thousand people." "Five years." "GTA4:" "A thousand people." "Five years." "Nobody bitches about that- A THOUSAND PEOPLE!" "There's two of us here" ""It's taking too long"" "FUCK OFF!" "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!" "Like..." "It really gets to me." "I guess, that's the price you pay for being indie." "And being the one guy that people know is making the game." "You open yourself up to these kinds of personal attacks." "That I wasn't ... uh ..." "That's not something I was expecting, when dreaming about being independent." "Not this Army of Assholes online   to, not ruin my life, but to make it that more  hard to enjoy." "It's a complicated game also." "It was ridiculously over ambitious." "For my first indie game." "It's a classic mistake." "And we didn't realize we were making it." "We thought it was going to take a year" "We thought it was going to be a simple game." "And it became a completely different game many times." "[Phil  Renaud converse in French]" "My name is Renaud." "I've been programming FEZ since the beginning." "Since three years ago." "Day to day, it's just coding stuff." "Adding features." "Fixing bugs." "That's what I do." "There's a lot of personal pressure to   finish what you've been working on for so long." "And there's a lot of people expecting it to be really awesome." "And much bigger than we've shown." "Because, every time we show something." "We say: 'oh that's nothing'." "'that's just a small part' 'you'll see how much better it gets'" "The personal pressure is bigger to me than the outside world pressure." "I really need to get this done." "[Phil] It's a learning experience" "I've made games before." "But I've never produced an entire game from A to Z." "For commercial release On a real platform." "With Microsoft." "I've never done that before." "It's terrifying." "It's really really really scary." "Especially when you lose funding." "Or something like that ..." "There's just no safety net there." "There's nothing to fall back on." "There's always the threat of everything falling apart." "Any day now." "FEZ is now scheduled to release in 2011 13 months left." "It was very difficult to make the game" "But in some ways, it was less difficult  than what I had been doing until then." "Having a lot of big ideas about what I wanted to do in games." "And not finishing anything that had the impact I wanted to have." "[Jonathan has been making games for 22 years]" "I think as one ages and establishes a pattern of that." "It becomes a little bit demoralizing." "You start to look at things and say:" ""Maybe I'm never going to do the things I thought I would."" "Then one day, I said:" "I'm going to actually finish something." "And that became 'Braid'." "It took three years, but I finished it" "One of the biggest breakout games would have to be Braid." "Braid is an interesting game   I was surprised it was as successful as it is." "It was a big hit for the independent community." "Generating a lot of money for Jonathan." "It's a very odd setting and a lot of people aren't quite sure what it means" "Nobody had played a game that was like Braid." "That did what Braid did with time before." "Really what made Braid work was that 'Rewind' mechanic   obviously, from a gameplay perspective was a lot of fun." "But it also had a metaphorical relevance as well." "It's telling this strange, out of order love story ... not something you normally see in a game." "It's about this little preppy boy." "He always looks like a preppy to me." "He's lost something and is working through memories   that change as he keeps playing." "The fictional world and the game world mechanic   those two work hand-in-hand very very well." "So Braid came out of the confluence of a couple of different ideas." "I was on a mailing list with some friends." "And one friend  was looking at 'Prince of Persia:" "Sands of Time'" "And it had this ability to 'rewind'." "But it was limited." "You had a certain number of charges." "When you ran out, if you got killed, you couldn't rewind anymore." "You had to reload the game." "Which was this painful process." "So one of my friends said:" "Why not do it like a VCR?" "And rewind anytime you want." "But nobody ever tried it." "So I said:" "'Okay, I'm feeling inspired.'" "'Let me start this idea for this game I've been kicking around.'" "And I spent about a week working on it" "And I had a prototype." "That is really kind of amazing." "In that  if you look at the prototype, and the final game   a lot of the ideas from the final game and in that prototype." "So I had the first three worlds." "I mean not fully built out worlds." "But the game mechanics were there." "For rewinding ..." "And for rewinding with things that are immune to rewind." "And for time and space being tied together." "So that time changes as you move." "I had a number of puzzles." "Probably half of them are in the final game, in recognizable form." "It was very low effort, on my part, to do something very interesting in the system." "And I was like: 'Wow'" "It started as experimentation." "but then it quickly became a process of discovery." "It's like sitting on a gold mine." "But you don't even have to dig." "You just scoop some dirt and there's a little chunk of gold." "Then you scoop a little more ..." "The hardest part of the process is picking up these heavy chunks of gold." "So that was an amazing design experience." "[Braid is one of the top rated video games of all time.]" "Most of the time, Tommy's in North Carolina." "Working remotely." "And I'm here working from my computer." "The way this game developed  has been very different from other games I've worked on." "[Edmund has designed 25 Flash games in the past 10 years.]" "[Super Meat Boy will be his first major release.]" "We bounce ideas off each other." "Not just gameplay ideas." "More like jokes." "Jokes that get out of control   and push their way into the game." "It says:" "'Code." "Code." "Code." "Durrrrr!" "'" "My Adams's Apple is not that big!" "Stop it!" "What if I put a knife in it   look at that." "It's totally injected all the way in." "See the needle?" "And then a hammer hits the needle in deeper." "I've always been trying to find where boundaries are." "And see how far I can push them before I get in trouble." "That's what I'm doing now." "If I'm not doing that, I'm bored." "And if I'm bored." "I'm not being creative." "I make games that center around my life." "The things I think, say and do." "I make games to express myself." "I guess." "It's hard for me to talk about Santa Cruz." "I never lived anywhere else." "It's just 'normal'." "I grew up here." "My mom was obsessed with the beach." "It was always her dream to live in Santa Cruz." "So, that's where she   forced us to live." "It was like a skate and surf town." "I never got into either." "I stayed in the house, played video games and drew." "Monsters." "I only drew monsters." "I drew weird shit." "There's a drawing of a kid, with a demon inside of him." "Scratching to get out." "In third grade, my teacher recommended that I be evaluated." "Psychologically evaluated." "She thought I was mentally disturbed." "My mom said: 'No, he's just an artist." "He like's to draw.'" "And she said: 'That's not art." "That's a cry for help.'" "I basically grew up with my Grandma." "I didn't get along with my Step Dad." "When there was a problem, I would stay with my Grandma." "Or we would all stay with my Grandma." "My Grandma was extremely supportive." "To the point of annoying my mom and my sister." "To her, I was the Golden Boy who could do anything." "She made me feel like I could do anything." "When she said:" "'You're going to be a success'" "It wasn't like she was just saying it." "It was like, a FACT." "Like, that was going to happen." "That was that." "Aether was based on my niece." "She reminded me of myself." "She didn't like playing with other kids." "She liked to do things by herself." "And explore by herself." "She was very imaginative." "And she really liked monsters" "So, that brought me back to when I was little." "And I thought..." "How cool would it be to make a game." "That could put people inside my mind when I was 5, 6, 7?" "And that became 'Aether'" "So this kid gets on the back of a monster." "And the monster goes around in space." "And he explores all these other planets." "He can't connect to anybody on earth." "So he goes to find friends." "But all these other planets are inhabited by  weird or sad or nervous creatures." "And he tries to solve their problems." "And succeeds..." "But they don't become happy." "And he keeps going around all these planets." "But each time he solves a problem, the Earth gets smaller." "When he comes back." "It's so small that when he touches it it breaks." "And he's lost in space." "It was about the idea of..." "It's really cool to be a creative kid." "But there's dangers of isolating, and becoming obsessed with things." "And having phobias." "Each of those planets was a phobia of mine when I was little." "And when I was little, before bed, I would obsess about these things." "Because I thought I could fix them." "But in the end, I would just make them worse." "They wouldn't be fixed." "But I'd be so obsessed with them   I'd have stomach aches and have to go home from school." "A lot of the imagery, I'm still very happy with." "To me it speaks perfectly of how I felt when I was little." "When I play that game." "It's exactly how I remember it feeling." "Shortly after Aether, my Grandma passed away." "And she had a box of my drawings that she saved." "From when I was little." "That's when I found this picture   that I had drawn of me in space." "Floating." "And it says ..." "This is Edmund floating in space." "And my friend too is space..." "Or something like that." "'Space is my friend." "And my friend too is me.'" "It was validating to find that box." "And see those things and be like ..." "Wow." "This is just like the game." "[Sounds of children playing]" "I have a very precise story of the exact moment it started." "I was four." "It was Christmas, 1988." "And for Christmas I got a Nintendo with:" "'Mario', 'Zelda' and 'Tetris'" "Which is perfect." "The 'Trifecta' of video games." "To this day, you can't really get a better three games together." "It was clear at that moment." "That this is what I wanted to do with my life." "I've known since I was four." "There was never any doubt about it." "I wanted to make games." "What that entailed wasn't always clear." "You're four and you want to make games..." "It just seems like:" "'Oh, you come up with ideas'" "'And then you have a game." "Awesome.'" "There she is." "What a beauty." "[Computer starts up]" "So this is the game me and my Dad made back in 1993." "Based on art I would make in 'Kid Pix'" "He would take that, and turn it into these simple 'Find the Object' games." "So I would come home from school   and levels would be added to the game." "Based on stuff I made in the days before." "At first, they were really simple 'Where's Waldo' type things." "Where's the letter 'V'?" "Oh, there it is." "It's so completely abstract." "Because it's all my art." "And it made no sense." "OH!" "'Cyber Vision'" "This is the best one." "This is a piece of software..." ""Software"" "That I made." "It's the stupidest thing..." "It's just patterns that I designed." "And I made it invert the colors." "Really really quickly." "You pick your pattern and the number of flashes." "And then you're supposed stick your face in it..." "And stare at it." "Like this..." "For a long time." "And I swear to God, you start to see stuff." "Oh my God." "What was wrong with me?" "!" "?" "This is still awesome!" "[Sound of keyboard typing]" "So, the way that I approach design   is really kind of experiential." "I'm thinking about   when the player comes on the screen." "What's happening?" "Not quite in the same way as a movie." "But sort of." "You have to put your mind in the viewpoint of the player...." "Thinking about what's going to happen." "There's an excitement about ideas unfolding   that I try to put into it." "It's a stream of communication between designer and player." "And the design of a level like this, is sort of a dialogue  or at least a monologue ..." "Where it's like:" "'Hey!" "Check this out...'" "'Did you realize you we're going to have a problem with that ladder?" "'" "'Isn't it weird, but cool, that you could have such a problem...' '...just because this ladder was a bit to the left'" "'If it was over here or here, you wouldn't have that problem.'" "That is the interesting part, the important part." "It's not important that it's a tricky puzzle  that takes some thinking to solve." "That's a little cool." "But any puzzle game can give you that." "But what a special game can give you is details." "Interesting insights into particular situations." "And I think when a game realizes that." "Seizing that way of doing things." "And runs with it." "It can do some really special things." "I'm very visual." "As a person." "I like pretty things." "I like aesthetics." "A big part of FEZ is the aesthetic." "That kind of pleasant, blue sky, green grass, fresh air - obviously, there's no fresh air in the game." "This is how art works in the game." "I make these little strips for the four sides that you see in the game." "And the top and bottom of every cube." "And Renaud made a Photoshop script that crops them, and saves them..." "And feeds them to the game." "And the game wraps these textures around a cube." "And projects the art on each side." "You can see the different sides of the texture strip." "I can then take the cube and carve in details." "You can barely see it in the game." "You only really feel it in the rotation." "I use the 'Tetris' pattern a lot." "It's kind of a pain." "Because I have to go in there and paint it." "And reorient the tiles by hand." "So, here:" "I don't like this big straight line." "It's kind of awkward." "I'm going to make it a 'T' shape." "I spend a lot of time doing this." "I build these elaborate structures." "And eventually, I spend an afternoon going over everything." "I guess I've been staring at it for too long." "I obsess over the tiniest details." "[Phil has redesigned the game 3 times]" "One thing that happened." "I never did pixel art before FEZ." "So I had to learn." "You do that for three years." "Then at the end  you're better than you used to be." "And all the art you made three years ago..." "Isn't as good as what you're making now." "And there's a divide." "So I had to retouch a lot of old stuff" "I do everything three times." "And it takes me three and a half years to make a video game." "[Laughs]" "[FEZ has been in production for 1137 days.]" "[Super Meat Boy has been in production for 513 days.]" "Level design." "So, the basic formula of level design go.." "When you start out, you want to teach the player how to play." "Making sure they understand every mechanic of the game." "So every level in the first chapter needs to force to player to do something they will need further in the game." "For example, on level three, there's just a gap." "The only way to get over that gap is to hold 'run' and press 'jump'" "You can't get it any other way." "You won't jump far enough." "And that's makes sure the player understands  in order to get over big gaps." "You need to hold 'run' and press 'Jump'" "It's simple." "It sounds like a 'no-brainer'." "Usually, games would just say:" "'Hold run to jump far'" "Most people would just skip the text and forget." "Now, just in case somebody didn't play that level." "A couple levels later..." "I reiterate and give another section requiring them to run and jump." "To make sure they know." "Because it's important." "All these mechanics are very important" "Each early level is a level that pushes that..." "Like, there's a level where you need to continuously jump up one wall." "Because there is no other wall to jump to." "That's me teaching the player that:" "'You can do this'." "Everybody in the world will see a problem and want to solve it." "If you see something that's just a wall." "And you don't realize that you can keep jumping up." "You're going to try it." "And once you try it, you've taught yourself." "Not only do you feel smart." "But you now, for sure   know how to do that for the rest of the game." "So, you go through everything in the early 'introduction' levels." "Once you've covered all the things you can do with Meat Boy then you introduce new mechanics." "With Meat Boy, it's not like Mario." "Lots of Mario games introduce mechanics in forms of 'suits'.... ... that change Mario's properties." "That's something I wanted to avoid." "I wanted to make it really pure." "Meat Boy never gets better or gets a 'Power Up'" "It's the levels that change ." "Changing the mechanics." "So right away, you introduce 'Saws'." "And they're saws that spin in place." "And you have to avoid these saws." "And then later, those same saws " "You know that they kill you." "Those same saws will start moving back and forth." "So you got moving saws." "Then later, you have saws on spinners" "That act like Windmills." "And they go around in a circle." "Now it's the same saw that you jumped over a million times before." "But it's in a different way." "Making it different and more enjoyable" "As a designer, you want to explore each mechanic making sure it can be used at least 3 or 4 different ways." "If it's only got one use then it's pointless." "Because you need to be able to 'juice it'" "You have to figure out new ways to use it." "[FEZ sound effects can be heard]" "The game has become a bit of a reflection of me over time." "It certainly wasn't the intention at first." "I started noticing a few things..." "That kind of reflect my experience of working on the game." "It's a game about games." "And the world is very much a computer world." "It's a world within a computer." "There's a lot of computer logic to it." "Every now and then, the universe becomes unstable  and has to defragment itself and reboot." "That's the goal of the game." "In FEZ, you're putting these pieces of the universe back together." "And try to make it stable again." "I basically feel like   the entire world is falling apart around me these days." "[In the past year, FEZ has missed every Xbox milestone.]" "Here's a recap of the last two years or so..." "So, we moved into our first office." "We had our funding." "That was great." "Everything was coming along." "Then my Dad was diagnosed with leukemia" "We were told he had a 50-50 chance of dying within weeks." "He was a test subject for this new treatment." "'Well, you're going to die anyways'" "'You might want to give this crazy treatment a shot." "You might live'" "So he lived." "Shortly after that, my parents divorced ..." "Which is never fun." "I had to move my dad into a new apartment." "Shortly after that, my girlfriend left me." "About a year ago." "Some time after that, there started being a lot of tension between me   and the guy who owned the other half of the company." "Eventually, he left." "And that was a big blow." "All of a sudden I had to take care of every aspect of the company." "Almost immediately after that, we lost our funding." "And now we're here." "We don't have any money." "I'm overworked and over-stressed." "I'm on the line." "Me." "My name ..." "My career." "If this fails." "I'm done." "I don't think I'll work in games again" "And it's not just a game." "I'm so closely attached to it." "It's me." "It's my Ego, my perception of myself." "Is at risk." "This is my identity:" "FEZ." "... I'm guy making FEZ" "That's about it." "If that doesn't work out then..." "Interviewer:" "What would happen if you personally..." "[INTERVIEWER]:" "If you couldn't finish the game?" "I would kill myself." "I would kill myself." "That's my incentive to finish it." "Because then I get to not kill myself." "[In five months, Phil hopes to show FEZ at a gaming expo.]" "[It will be the game's first public appearance in 4 years.]" "[Tommy has been crunching to finish the game.]" "[He has 2 weeks left.]" "A typical day at this point in development..." "Usually, I wake up at 4:00 or 4:30 in the afternoon." "Because I've gone to bed at  9 or 10 a.m. the night / morning before." "I check emails." "There's usually something there from 'localization'." "Or from Kevin, our Microsoft producer." "Or any number of Microsoft people;" "asking for different things." "I make my breakfast." "Which consists of a microwaved sandwich." "It's pretty good." "I take insulin for that." "And then, I just work on  whatever's on the list." "I have a couple of lists  I retire a list once I spill food on it." "These are actually surprisingly clean." "This was a big one." "This was 'code complete'" "But you can see the grease stains." "Where you can see through it." "That's when I retired that one." "Me and Ed are handling a lot of stuff for two people." "But we're right there at the end  so we just sort of do it." "We're both very very tired" "But at the same time..." "We're tired." "Not so much from work." "But from not being able to sleep." "Because of thinking about work." "I'm like in a fucking concentration camp." "Like, I'm not allowed out and I'm stuck." "I have to work until it's done." "And if it doesn't get done ..." "I'm fucked." "No pressure." "If you can't get the work done then the past two years are basically worth nothing." "No pressure." "We got a call from Microsoft saying..." "We're going to do this thing called:" "'The Game Feast'" "An Xbox promotion." "They said:" "If you want to get in you have to have the game done in a month." "And we're like: 'whoa'" "Because we weren't anywhere close to being ready ... at all." "They asked:" "'Do you think it's possible?" "'" "And Tommy said:" "'Well, we shoot for it.'" "'And if we miss it, we miss it.'" "And they said: 'If you miss it, we can't launch until February' [sighs] Tommy doesn't have any money." "I'm running out of money." "It's just like:" "We HAVE to do this now." "We HAVE to do this." "There were at least five times where I totally broke down." "I just didn't want to do it anymore." "I couldn't escape in any way." "So I would just go into the bathtub..." "And I'd turn on the hot water shower." "And I'd lay down on my back." "and wait until the water went cold." "That was all I had." "That was all I had to try to relax myself." "and not worry about anything." "I was actually worried that either Tommy or I would die  in the process of making this." "And Tommy talked about it too..." "As long as he could finish this game." "He would be Okay with dying." "Because at least he finished the game." "It was fucking weird." "You go crazy when you're like this." "That's why I obviously grew this mustache." "It is the 'Reclusive Cowboy'." "I need everybody to know how crazy I feel  on the outside." "Edmund and I talk all the time." "About everything." "We're best friends." "But we were talking about if the game does well." "He was reading some quotes on success." "It was something like..." "The hardest part of success is finding people that will be happy for you." "I know, for sure, I have three people that are going to be happy for me." "Forever, my parents have been supportive of whatever I wanted to do." "They've done, everything they could to make sure   that I'm alright." "They've seen some hard times, with the economy and stuff like that." "After our last president messed everything up." "They were four years from paying off this house." "This house ..." "My Dad, and my Mom, built this house." "It was completed right before I was born." "And they were four years from paying it off and had to re-finance it." "I'm hoping if a lot of people buy the game  I can slap a bow on the top of the roof." "And say:" "'Here you go!" "'" "'This is what you get for being awesome parents my entire life.'" "So Meat Boy is a boy made of meat." "But when designing him, it wasn't a thought of he's made of steak or whatever else" "It was: 'Hey, he doesn't have skin'" "He's a boy without skin." "That's why they call him Meat Boy." "So he's exposed to the elements." "Maybe he's always in pain." "But he just deals with it." "But he has to be very careful with everything." "Because anything can kill him." "The smallest little thing - like salt" "Could totally destroy him." "I wanted to have his girlfriend be more than a love interest." "And I wanted to play with the idea that he needs her   that she's what completes him." "Not just emotionally, but physically as well." "And that's why she's 'Bandage Girl'." "She's kind of the outer shell over Meat Boy." "That protects him." "And that's why he needs her." "He needs her back." "Not only because he loves her, but because..." "That's what completes him." "[ANNOUNCER] The Seumas McNally Grand Prize   in the 'Open Category'" "Goes to Chronic Logic for 'Gish'!" "[Applause]" "[EDMUND] Thank you everybody." "Okay, I'd like to take this opportunity to propose to my girlfriend, Danielle." "[Crowd cheers]" "[Crowd continues to cheer.]" "Okay, Okay, I have to do it." "Co'mon guys, I have to actually say it." "Danielle." "Will you marry me?" "[Crowd cheers loudly]" "People probably don't know that he's an amazing husband." "That's ... huge." "He does all this stuff and he's still an amazing partner." "The development process was long." "A lot of work." "It was hard to adapt our relationship." "To go from spending 24/7 together   eating meals together." "Leaving the house, to not doing that at all." "I heard a lot of this:" "'I only see your back'" "It was like:" "'I know we're in the same room ...' '... but I only see your back'" "We're never sitting and looking at each other." "Many times, I had to ask her:" "'Are you happy here?" "'" "'Is this worth it?" "'" "'Because I worry that this is just horribly boring for you'" "'And that this might be something you regret getting into as well.'" "This is the lady I like." "Not th" " This is a Cat." "This website." "I think I'm going to go with this breeder." "I've wanted one of these since I was little." "I asked for it." "When the game's done." "And we move to a house." "If I could get a cat." "And he said 'yes'." "And this is my dream cat." "It's like having a baby." "Except better." "We can't have another cat in this house." "Oh, it'd be some warm." "OOOH My God!" "That's the thing..." "Available, AVAILABLE ... Winter's coming." "This one belongs to 'Jennifer and Robert'." "They're probably way happier than us." "Right at this moment." "Because they have the cat." "I ... sacrificed having a life." "It's kind of weird." "I don't ..." "I don't go out." "I don't really socialize." "I can't spend money." "Because I don't have any money." "So I can't go out..." "If I were to go on a date..." "I have no car to pick them up in." "I have no way to buy meals or anything." "I mean, I can buy my own meal, but.." "... the things you sacrifice are   the things I've sacrificed are   social." "You kind of have to give up something." "To have something great." "I'm depressed now   because I'm on the brink of something huge." "It's a different kind of depression." "It's not a 'stuck' depression." "It's a 'Holy Shit' depression." "It's an 'unknown' depression." "Which is kind of weird." "But, it'll fade." "Because once it's out." "It's out." "And that's it." "[Super Meat Boy will be released in 3 days.]" "I'm really curious to see what the basic reaction is." "Because, the only people who have seen the game so far..." "Have been people close to me." "[FEZ has been in development for 4 years]" "Feedback has been good." "But I can't trust that feedback" "I don't know if my friends would tell me if FEZ sucked." "Knowing that I've spent most of my adult life on it." "Because, I don't even know what I think about it anymore." "I really can't tell if it's good or not." "Sometimes I manage to convince myself that it's good and I did a good job." "But then I have a flash of lucidity." "'But you can't trust yourself!" "'" "All you've been doing for 4 years is look at it." "Like, this close." "You can't see anything else." "You don't even see the mistakes anymore." "I'm looking forward to that kind of brutal honesty." "That we're going to get from the average gamer." "We're here for PAX:" "Penny Arcade Expo" "It's not for developers." "It's for gamers." "They're expecting like 65,000 people." "We're going to be showing off FEZ for the first time since 2008." "Which was the unveiling of the game." "We haven't shown it since." "In four years." "So ..." "I'm a bit nervous." "But this is kind of like the big blow out." "The confirmation that:" "Yes." "FEZ is real." "It's exists." "It's going to come out, and you'll be able to buy it and play it one day." "Hopefully interest will build up again" "Because I feel that over the years, people have stopped caring." "They may need to be reminded that we exist." "And for the first time, I've feel like:" "This is FEZ." "This is the game I wanted to make." "There's a mood here, that I've achieved." "It's not done yet." "But it's really starting to feel like a game ..." "That has a beginning, middle and an end." "It remains to be seen if the game's going to be good." "But I'm pretty damn happy with it   today." "Interviewer:" "What's the worst case scenario for you?" "None of this happens." "We don't get to show the game at PAX." "Or do anything with it." "For very complicated legal reasons." "My former business partner with whom I started the company..." "Left the company." "About six months ago." "And we've been in a nasty divorce ever since." "And if everything isn't settled." "We can't do anything." "We can't show it." "We can't be at PAX." "Just a final signature." "This last signature, to close the deal" "So, at the moment..." "We drove all the way here." "We printed banners." "We designed a booth." "I made a demo just for PAX." "There's still a chance that   I'm just going to stay in my hotel room." "And not be able to do any of this." "It's pretty stressful." "It feels like waiting." "Everything feels longer." "It feels like I'm about to throw up." "It's stage fright." "I have a hard time sleeping." "I can't think of anything else." "It's constantly running through my head." "And it's such a big deal." "There are going to be so many people." "I'm not in a head space right now where I want to be exposing myself." "And being a public figure." "And talking to people." "I'm so in my own little world." "Just working on FEZ." "Trying to finish it." "I don't do anything else." "Every other aspect of my life is suffering." "Because I'm just trying to finish this fucking game." "Because right now." "It can go either way." "It could be a nightmare ... I don't know." "[Ha!" "Ahhh, Man!" "]" "[Hey, This is Souja Boy]" "[They got this game right?" "This shit called 'Braid']" "[Braid was released in August 2008]" "[Watch this Shit!" "]" "[You're this little guy in a business suit" "[It look like Mario ... in the future]" "[And he's just walking around, jumping on shit]" "[But the funny part is:" "You can do this, watch this...]" "[Laughter]" "[Now, if you didn't catch that." "I just went back in time.]" "On release day, you start seeing reactions of people on the Internet." "And for me, it was a very addictive thing." "Because I've spent several years working on this thing in isolation." "And then suddenly it gets out." "And a lot of people  like tens of thousands of people play it in the first few days." "You see that all over the Internet." "And, for me, that was a very negative experience." "When Braid was coming out." "People would talk about it online." "And this was around the birth of serious video game blog commentary" "Lots of people writing really good stuff about games." "Every time you mentioned his name." "He would show up in your comments." "Almost instantly." "He must have something even better than 'Google Alerts'" "So he'd pop up and reply to things." "Or correct people on things." "And became sort of famous for it." "Penny Arcade even cracked about it." "John:" "I found that there was this..." "Perception of me on the Internet  that was running away, very quickly from who I think I am" "And that was ... kind of ..." "disturbing." "And there didn't seem to be much that I could do about that." "So that was actually a pretty negative experience." "I was actually seriously depressed for about 3-4 months after Braid came out" "When you work a long time on something really intricate like that." "There's a hope that   people are going to understand the things that you did." "And that you'll have some line of communication with your audience." "And actually, some of the most demoralizing things..." "Were actually positive reviews of the game." "People would say 'Oh, this game's great!" "' '9 out of 10!" "' '10 out of 10!" "'" "And they'd say what's good about the game..." "And in many cases it would be just a very surface understanding of the game" "That didn't even see what I thought was most special about it." "Not that many people understood." "And that was heartbreaking." "In a way." "I visualized I was going to have some kind of connection with people." "... through this game." "And they think it's great, but the connection isn't there." "Because, they're kind of living in a different world still." "So they think it's great ..." "for some of the reasons I do, but  but not for other" "[Aaaaahhhh!" "Ooooohhh!" "]" "[There's no point to the game!" "]" "[You just walk around jumping on shit] ... they're not seeing the most important thing." "[This shit's stupid as hell man...]" "[Aaahhhhhh!" "Ooooooohhh!" "]" "[Sounds of ocean waves]" "Today is Monday." "And that's the 'Embargo' Date." "Do you know what an 'Embargo' is?" "I didn't." "And I got in trouble for not knowing." "An Embargo is:" "You set a date when press can review your game." "So, midnite rolls around." "And I start refreshing 'Twitter mentions'" "You can search who's talking about Super Meat Boy." "And reviews just start popping out." "So, I just start grabbing quotes and posting them." "So we got:" "'A great experience 4 out of 5'" "'Super Meat Boy revels in driving you crazy...' '...but you end up crazy in love.' '... 9 out of 10'" "'Brutal and hilarious' '5 out of 5'" "'I've never felt so challenged and rewarded  in all my years playing with meat'" "I don't know who that is." "But I posted it." "All these reviews keep coming in." "And the whole time, I'm thinking I'm waiting for the really bad one." "Some one has to hate it." "'Super Meat Boy can stand confidently   next to Mario and the platforming elite." "'It's the best game on XBLA' 'This game is wonderful: 10 out of 10'" "It's a love letter to everything great about video games." "'This is nothing short of greatness.'" "'Buy it now!" "' '5 out of 5!" "'" "They just kept coming and kept coming." "I did not expect this." "At all." "I honestly did not expect these reviews." "'Get this game now!" "' '10 out of 10"" "'4.5 out of 5' '9 out of 10', '9.5 out of 10'" "It's weird to be launching the same time as 'Fallout'  and be getting reviews that are almost better." "That's weird." "Especially since it's a game I'm going to be buying." "It's pretty fucking awesome." "I don't know if you guys realize how frustrating it is." "I don't think you understand what's weird about it." "I don't care..." "I really don't care what any of the reviews say." "It's just weird that they're there." "Positive or negative." "It doesn't matter that we get nines and tens  it doesn't matter." "Yeah, but, I've been weird all my life about stuff." "It's kind of weird to have people say:" "'Hey, you're going to be rich." "You can buy me a car...'" "You know, just joking kind of stuff." "But they're not joking." "I mean, they're joking about me buying them a car." "Because I'm totally not buying anyone a car." "Except my parents, if they want one." "But, to hear that" "To hear that everything that I dreamed about for years and years and years  is going to basically come true, in like two days." "And has already started to ..." "is very...odd." "I cry at the idea of crying about it." "That's weird." "I cried when we submitted the game to certification." "I cried because it was like..." "It was like sending your kid off to school." "And we just had to wait." "We worked on it so hard." "We were non-stop for, like, two months" "Doing ungodly amounts of work." "Then we send it off to certification." "And its like:" "'OK, we'll let you know in two weeks'" "It's like: 'Aarrghh!" "'" "Is it going to pass?" "Is it not going to pass?" "Am I going to have to fix bugs?" "And then when I would play the game." "And I would see bugs." "And then I'd panic and I'd email Microsoft." "And I'd go:" "'Oh God!" "The game doesn't show PEGI ratings ...' '... if it's run in European regions.'" "'Is that going to be a problem?" "'" "And they're like: 'Oh no, it's fine'" "And it's like: 'Oh?" "Okay then.' [laughs]" "I can't shake the idea that even though they're good reviews." "That we'll still fail." "Is that weird?" "Is that weird to feel that way?" "Because it feels normal to me." "And I know it feels normal to Tommy." "But, there's still a part of me that says:" "'Even though we have the highest rated game on Xbox Live...' '...we're still going to fail.'" "[12 hours until release]" "[Edmund] Tommy, Do you feel the same way?" "There's still a part of me that worries we can fail." "[Tommy] Yeah, it is there" "It's there." "It's a real thing." "The only way I could see it failing is if the first 1,000 people download the game and get the game save error  and then get online and trash the shit out of the game." "Yeah... those are different worries for you." "I know that, yeah, people may lose their save." "But they'll still enjoy the game and we're going to fix it." "Ouch!" "So this is press contacts to 578 people." "So I'll send out the press release." "Update the website." "Update my blog." "Update my Facebook, and call it a night." "What are you going to do Tommy?" "Uhh..." "What happened?" "I just fell asleep." "Really?" "Yeah... uh...uh..." "What, what did you say?" "[Laughs]" "Um, nothing." "[Super Meat Boy will be released tomorrow.]" "[Alarm Ringing]" "[Email from Renaud "He's coming to Boston"]" "This morning I got an email from Renaud saying that my ex-associate was on his way to PAX for some other game he's working on." "He still hasn't signed." "He's going to be on the road most of the day and then he's going to be at the show." "And, I'm having a panic-attack." "I feel like i'm going to cry, throw up and pass out all at once." "My breathing is weird." "I'm going to lose my shit." "And, I'm going to kill him, I'm going to fucking murder that guy." "And, it's going to get everybody in trouble." "We're going to get kicked out of PAX, a horrible disaster like that." "I can even begin to figure out how I'm going to hande this." "If he doesn't sign, we can't do the show." "He can." "He's going to do his own show, and prevent me from doing mine." "It starts today." "The show is tomorrow morning." "We have one day to set everything up." "And, it's still not signed." "And, he's coming." "He's going to be there and check out the game." "And, I'm going to cold-blood fucking murder him." "Fuck that guy!" "Seriously!" "Have to set-up for the show, while not even knowing building a booth at the show, while not even knowing." "We going to have to fucking disassemble it." "We going to have to take apart the FEZ kiosk." "And, put it away." "Build it up." "Tear it down." "Why?" "Why is he doing this?" "What's the point of this?" "It just doesn't make any sense." "He should just fuck off." "Let me finish the game." "Not interfere in any way because he stands to gain so much." "If he just lets me to do my work." "He's going to be a millionaire for nothing." "He won't have done anything." "He will be fucking millionaire because of me." "And, somehow he's trying to fucking sabatoge that." "He trying to ruin that." "Or just playing mind games?" "What is he stupid or cruel or both?" "It's too much." "There's too much at stake." "I feel like this is just going to end horribly." "For everybody involved." "[Thunderstorm sounds]" "[Release Day]" "Where's the remote?" "Is the remote over there?" "[Sounds of Xbox starting up]" "What the Hell?" "Are you fucking kidding me?" "Are you fucking kidding me?" "Where is it?" "It's not here." "What the fuck is that?" "This is fucking bullshit." "[Typing Sounds]" "We are nothing." "We are nothing to them." "We're being fucked." "[Email:" "Where is Meat Boy?" "]" "They don't care." "They so don't care." "We have no. we have no placement on the marketplace which is the entire point of doing the sale... and doing this stupid promotion." "And, fucking killing myself to get this game out in time." "[Interviewer] What did they promise you?" "We'd get a spot on the front of Xbox like all the other shitty games do." "[Interviewer] How important is placement?" "Pretty fucking important." "It's like going to the store... and having to ask if they have game in the back because they don't have it on the shelf." "You know, how often do people do that." "[Sounds from Television]" "I'm not going to look at sales." "Nah, I'm not going to look at sales." "There's no point in looking at sales because there's no way of me estimating how it's doing within the first couple hours." "There's no point in me downloading it and checking the leaderboards." "It would freak me out and make me OCD." "I'd just constantly refresh it." "I'll just wait for Microsoft to call." "That's how you do it." "First day is very very important because it sort of." "It sets." "It's like a pace car." "If you sell 20-30 thousand copies in the first day.... ....well, then you can expect to sort of staircase down." "Now that we're going to start very low it's going to be the same graph but just at much smaller scale." "...and there's just nothing we can do about it." "Because the day's half over..." "We'll get half of what we had." "If we have to get on Twitter, and tell people how to find the game to buy it." "That's awful." "Especially since, it's not like 'go to marketplace and we're right there'..." "No, we have say a five-step systems of events, series of commands to actually buy the game and that's awful." "That's dumb." "There's nothing we can do except blame Microsoft... and then, never ever work with them again." "It's so dumb." "I don't want to do games anymore." "I'll work on cars." "I don't want to work on cars." "I don't want to do anything." "Can I be a bum?" "[Four hours into release day, the game's ad is not on Xbox.]" "[Boston Convention Center]" "It's Friday." "It's the first day of PAX." "It's 7:20 in the morning, right now." "[70,000 people expected]" "The show opens at 9." "Still no signature." "It's scary." "I really don't like it." "Everyone is telling me just do it." "And, everything is set-up." "And, it's not like I'm just going to say no and stay in my hotel room." "I'm going to tag along and go to the convention center with everybody... and do the show." "[By showing at PAX, Phil is risking a potential lawsuit.]" "Yeah, I guess I'm pretty nervous." "It's the first time we've shown the game since we first showed it." "Pre-success before you ever released is not a guarantee that that the world will be there for you." "And, the worry I certainly have for FEZ is that..." "By the time that game ever comes out we will have moved on to some other thing." "I'm hoping that it kind of has a Phoenix rising moment." "Like oh yeah, FEZ is back." "That people will take us a bit more seriously and not treat like some vaporware joke." "Establish that..." "Everything is real." "[Crowd noise]" "Doors are opening in like 5 mins." "There's a million people outside." "I did release the trailer about an hour ago." "It's starting to spread already." "This is real." "This is happening now." "It's out in the open." "It's really a nerve-wrecking experience .to look at somebody play my unfinished game." "Because it's not done." "Somebody will get stuck somewhere.... ...or there's a part they don't get or they don't like." "Yeah, but it's not done." "I'll fix it later." "Yeah, it feels like too too personal." "It's too close." "Yeah, we'll see what happens." "[Game Flashing:" "Anytime now]" "I think that's a bug." "I think you're stuck now." "Yeah, I don't know what that was... but he's suppose to keep talking and then something happens." "If you don't mind starting over." "First player game breaking bug right away, right away." "Ah, God damn it, it's completely broken." "That's not good." "Ah, I need to restart this thing." "Keys, keys." "There's a game breaking right away, right away." "You can't play it." "The game keeps crashing all the time." "It's completely unstable." "There are game breaking bugs, right at the beginning." "Damn it!" "Even like the 'Start New Game' doesn't work." "I need to restart the computer everytime." "It's a disaster." "It's a complete fucking disaster." "What happened?" "Where were you at?" "[PLAYER] Ah nothing." "Just start new game." "And, it just stayed in the sky." "One moment." "Everytime it crashes it feels like a personal failure." "Like a deep personal failure." "I need to actually kill the game and restart it." "Like I should apologize, 'Sorry I wasted your time you can start again, if you want'." "We made too many changes last night." "And, now we have an unstable build on our hands." "[Ocean Sounds]" "[Release Day - 8 Hours Later]" "[Edmund!" "]" "[Hey Edmund!" "]" "[Get Online!" "]" "[The Game's Up!" "]" "[It's selling!" "]" "[I know numbers]" "[Want me to tell you?" "]" "[Do you?" "]" "Someone just sent me sales stats and we're at 9500 copies" "So, 500 hundred more sales and we hit 10 which is considered a success for first day and it's 2pm." "[Dancing]" "There's a chance we can get between 15-20 thousand sales today, which will be a huge, huge success Not record-breaking but still really amazing." "[Holy Shit]" "In the past 10 hours, Super Meat Boy has grossed more than I've made in the past 6 years combined." "That's a bit interesting." "[Does Tommy Know?" "]" "I don't know, it's just surreal..." "I wish Tommy was here." "I wish Tommy was here." "[Boston, MA]" "Things are going okay." "The game has alot of game-breaking bugs and crashes so far and I need to constantly restart, quit the computer and start it again." "But, people are enjoying it." "A lot of people are playing for 15-20 mins." "This is really, really a very good play-test session so far." "I wanted to create a nice place, a pleasant place to be in." "I want people to feel a sense of openness and adventure but in a really simple, almost child-like way." "I really want to people to just enter that world and enjoy their time in it." "That's what the game is." "It's a nice place to spend time in." "I'm trying to recreate that experience of playing games as a kid before the Internet existed and hearing these kind of urban legends "Hey, I hear if you go stand in the corner for 5 seconds and press down "and then, you jump two times and it warps you somewhere."" "Yeah, like it was when I started gaming." "That's kinda what the game is about." "[Laugh]" "So nice to see new Fez." "This is bascially FEZ 4 at this point." "We've scrapped 3 games." "But I think we got it." "I love that fucking art." "[Jerry 'Tycho' Holkins Penny Arcade]" "Ken just introduced me to Tycho from Penny Arcade who was very, very much into the game." "That is sick as soon as you see the side of the drum kit..." "Like when you see that pixel art." "You assume, it's pixel art." "This is a powerful figure in the game industry." "He fucking runs this entire gigantic show!" "I like this part." "Where it's like:" "Whooooooop" "Now, it's pixel art." "Fuck yes." "I was really happy to meet the dude and that he liked my game and me so much." "I just got a ping back from Destructoid who posted about the trailer." "And, only for the post from Destructoid, that one post already got 11 thousands 'Likes' on Facebook and 209 retweets." "Wait, that's in 2 hours." "In 2 hours." "[Ken Schachter, New Partner]" "But yeah, people enjoy FEZ." "Almost universally it seems." "[INTERVIEWER How does that feel?" "]" "Feels pretty good." "[Youtube Video] What game is this, Brad?" "[Youtube Video] Super Fuck Fuck." "[Youtube Video] This seems like a hardest part." "Oh!" "[Laugh]" "[Youtube Video] What are you supposed to do?" "Seeing people play the game is crazy." "The reviews and stuff we're getting is really neat but but seeing people play and hearing the reactions is so much more beyond that." "It's just so genuine and heartfelt." "You can hear it their voice that they enjoy it." "And, that makes me feel so good." "If you had one thing to say to the dude that designed this level?" "[Youtube Video] Fuck you." "[Laugh]" "[Youtube Video] Groan" " Why did you hit the spike?" "[Youtube Video] You're going to feel satisfaction..." "[Youtube Video] or a profound sense of loss..." "[Youtube Video] ...when you finally complete this." "[Skype Sounds]" "[Sigh] Fucking hell, Dude." "How are you feeling are you all right?" "Tommy?" "Tommy?" "Uh-huh" "Okay, email from Jon." "Braid sold 10k the first day." "Oh, cool." "We're closing in on 15k very soon." "That's pretty awesome." "Hey Tommy, remember that game Braid?" "Yeah." "[Laugh]" "I think we might get 20k." "I think we might." "That means that on the first day that we might sell double what one of the most successful indie games of all-time has sold." "We're really going one thousand people an hour." "Mmm..." "It's crazy." "You should be very happy about this Tommy." "I am happy." "I'm also very tired." "Very, very tired." "That's fucking crazy." "15 thousand copies, Tommy." "15 thousand?" "Oh, Tommy, if you want to get even more happy go to Youtube, search Super Meat Boy, look at most recent." "There's one guy that just posted his 'unwrapping'." "He wanted to have an unwrapping of the game." "So, he went out and bought points." "It shows him getting the points, redeeming the points putting it into the game, downloading the game." "Then, it's just him reacting to playing the game." "[Swearing]" "[Laugh]" "[Youtube Video] Oh my God, oh my God!" "Ah!" "[Youtube Video] Love this shirt." "Oh so awesome." "Yes." "[Tommy] Regardless of how the game did..." "I would think that I'd like to always remember that I'm proud of it." "And, I think it's awesome that I can look at of video of the game And still see magic in it." "Even though, I spent all that time looking at it.... ....as a buggy piece of software that I had to fix." "I think it's still awesome that when I looked at that Giant Bomb video and it hit the 'Glitch level' that that was the coolest thing I've ever seen." "[Youtube Video] What's going on?" "[Laugh]" "Dude, we got really awesome fan art." "Really awesome fan art." "This is a really good drawing." "That's crazy." "I used to draw Mario." "I used to draw Mario obsessively." "[Video Review] It's an extraordinary platformer that makes you work for every inch you gain." "It all begins with the controls." "It's apparent that the controls are just an extension of your thoughts." "This is an amazingly well designed game because it seamlessly avoids the frustration of dying by shielding you from your own aggravation." "You can spend as much time as you want.... ...getting lost in this incredible world." "But, the rush of winning, it what defines this excellent game." "Video reviews, man." "[Cries]" "What are you doing?" "What are you doing over there?" "To see somebody like really get it." "You look at it, and think it's effortless..." "Like you just made a game but you really put everything into it." "But you knew what you were doing." "It's not easy." "Not everybody could do that." "Well, I think people get it." "It's just so crazy." "It's nice to hear that people get it, and I have to tell them." "[Laugh]" "Yeah, that was an awesome, an awesome review." "What a fucking crazy year..." "Starting to feel worth it." "A little." "Starting to feel worth it." "You want to be liked." "You want to be appreciated." "You want people to approve of your work." "It's just that you know, you work on a project so long in semi-secrecy." "You can't really show it." "You can that much, or any feedback really." "You just want to any little morsel of appreciation." "Well, I do, anyway." "It's like people "oh, I don't care what people think about this and that"" "It's like I care what people think." "I wish I didn't." "But, I do." "It's kinda silly." "I'm a little bit annoyed about how much I care that stuff." "Yeah, I wish I didn't care that much." "It is like I need any kind of love and feedback that I can get." "Last night, Destructoid posted about it." "And, they have the little 'Retweet' and 'Like' thing." "Its said we had 200 Retweets and 11 thousand Likes on Facebook." "Oh my god, 11 thousand likes!" "And, that really kind of gave me a huge boost." "And, then later I went back to the hotel and checked it again..." "And, realized that is was a fluke and actually we had zero 'Likes'." "Why do I care so much about this?" "How many likes I get on a stupid website?" "Why do I let these things affect me at all?" "But, they do." "Like I do want to have a fucking million views on my trailer." "I want everybody to be talking about the game." "It can get to you." "Because it's like they tell you what you want to hear basically well, not what you want to hear but..." "You know, sometimes I think the game sucks, and I suck.... ...and that it's not going to work." "Then, this one guy comes along "yeah this game's stupid.... ...Nothing happens in it"." "And, I'm like, oh Fuck you're right." "Nothing happens in FEZ." "I don't feel like as relieved and happy about things as I wished I was gonna." "I'm still worried that I might end up making a shitty game" "That's going to be remembered as shitty game... that was in development for too long, and end up dissapointing everybody." "I have news for you, too." "Hopefully, it will take a bit of the edge off." "Hit me." "We had a meeting." "We sat down." "We talked about all the grievances, all the issues." "We agreed, we shook on it and we came to an understanding...." "And, he's going to sign and it's all going to be taken care of." "Wonderful." "Yeah?" "Alright man." "It isn't signed, yet." "But, it's huge weight lifted off my shoulders." "Like I can breath easier." "[INTERVIEWER] I'm getting a Knytt Stories vibe." "Yes!" "[INTERVIEWER] A bit of Cave Story." "No!" "No, Cave Story, I meant say." "Why does he wear a little Fez hat?" "Because that's where he get his 3D power from." "Because the Fez is a cube." "Well, that's it really." "That's my logic for that." "Did I see the entirity of the mechanic?" "Basically, you don't get anymore more powers than that." "There's no boss fights, or penalties for dying...." "So, it's meant to be played slowly and carefully like enjoy the world." "It's stop and smell the flowers kind of game." "When I explained to people what the game was about and how it was slow and passive and relaxing alot of people understood what I was going for with that." "People enjoyed what we showed them.... ...which is just the beginning of game that we've been polishing like crazy." "The game is still not done." "It's still not a cohesive whole." "I still have a lot of work to do." "So I can't just like, take it all to the bank, right now." "I can't just like "Oh yeah, I did great job." "FEZ is fantastic."" "I need to still be afraid of failure, I think." "[Airplane Sounds]" "The game came out." "It was   highly praised in the press." "We got interviewed by the Wall Street Journal." "It got the second highest 'Metacritic' score of all time  on Xbox Live." "And we sold 22,000 copies of the game." "Yep." "I feel like, I actually  for the first time in my whole career..." "I successfully did something that a majority of people liked." "It wasn't an alienating experience." "I'm notorious for making games that tend to alienate." "Or not everybody completely understands." "And to make something that seems to have..." "I can't help but think that..." "I finally made something  good." "Like, I know there's a kid out there." "Who stayed up all night long." "For the game to come out." "And didn't go to school the next day." "Because he was so into playing it." "And that even exceeds my experiences when I was younger." "And to think that I could make something that could  have an impact on this kid, even creatively into thinking:" "Hey, I know two guys made this." "Maybe I can make something too?" "It's just cool." "It's really cool." "It feels really really good." "[Super Meat Boy was the 4th highest rated Xbox game of 2010.]" "[The game has sold over 1,000,000 copies to date]" "Part of it  is about not trying to be   professional." "A lot of people come into indie games, trying to be like a big company." "What those game companies do is create highly polished things that serve as large an audience as possible." "[Tommy was able to pay off his parents debt.]" "The way that you do that is by filing off all the bumps on something." "If there's a sharp corner." "You make sure that's not going to hurt anybody." "That creation of this highly glossy, commercial product  is the opposite of making something personal." "[Danielle got her hairless cat]" "[And, a house.]" "[Edmund and Tommy have started working on their next game.]" "Things that are personal have flaws." "They have vulnerabilities." "If you don't see a vulnerability in somebody." "You're probably not relating to them on a very personal level." "[Phil is still developing FEZ." "He is aiming to release early 2012.]" "[He has no plans to delay.]" "So it's the same with a game design." "[Jon is working on his next game." "'The Witness' will release in 2012]" "Making it, was about:" "Let me take my deepest flaws and vulnerabilities ... and put them in the game." "and let's see what happens."