""Slayingthebadger"goes beyond just a story about a cycling race." "Beyond just a story about a cycling race." "The strange thing about cycling" "Cycling race." "The strange thing about cycling is it's an individual sport" "The strange thing about cycling is it's an individual sport practiced by teams." "Is it's an individual sport practiced by teams." "Within the race, there are so" "Practiced by teams." "Within the race, there are so many different races." "Within the race, there are so many different races." "You can win mountain stages," "Many different races." "You can win mountain stages, time-Trial stages." "You can win mountain stages, time-Trial stages." "It's, on the one hand, such a" "Time-Trial stages." "It's, on the one hand, such a simple sport, and yet" "It's, on the one hand, such a simple sport, and yet extraordinarily complicated." "Simple sport, and yet extraordinarily complicated." "What's amazing about this story" "Extraordinarily complicated." "What's amazing about this story is the rivalry between two guys" "What's amazing about this story is the rivalry between two guys on the same team who started out" "Is the rivalry between two guys on the same team who started out as friends " " Greg lemond and" "On the same team who started out as friends " " Greg lemond and bernard hinault, "the badger,"" "As friends " " Greg lemond and bernard hinault, "the badger," his mentor " " This extraordinary" "Bernard hinault, "the badger," his mentor " " This extraordinary rivalry that turned from" "His mentor " " This extraordinary rivalry that turned from friendship to betrayal" "Rivalry that turned from friendship to betrayal incredibly quickly." "Friendship to betrayal incredibly quickly." "You know, it's got that greek" "Incredibly quickly." "You know, it's got that greek mythology about it " " One" "You know, it's got that greek mythology about it " " One brother trying to kill the" "Mythology about it " " One brother trying to kill the other." "So,i can'tbendover,soi" "Just kind of go like this." "No, no, i'm gonna put that on." "Howlongagowas the car" "Crash?" "Amonthandahalf ago." "Andhowmuchlongerhave you got to wear that?" "Anothermonthandahalf ." "Got to wear that?" "Anothermonthandahalf ." "Ah, ah, i will do it." "Anothermonthandahalf ." "Ah, ah, i will do it." "It's always harder when three" "Ah, ah, i will do it." "It's always harder when three people work on it." "It's always harder when three people work on it." "So,youjustskiddedonice" "People work on it." "So,youjustskiddedonice in the car." "So,youjustskiddedonice in the car." "Iwasknockedunconscious," "In the car." "Iwasknockedunconscious, so i can't really say." "Iwasknockedunconscious, so i can't really say." "I just know that the road went" "So i can't really say." "I just know that the road went this way and i went straight." "Hit a berm, a ditch." "That launched the car, and then" "It hit another berm, took the" "Front wheels off, and did a flip" "Over." "Itwascrazybecausehecalls" "And says, "i've been in a" "Terrible car accident," and then" "Nothing." "I'm like, "where are you?" "!"" "Ithoughtitoldyouthe road." "You weren't " "Road." "You weren't -- No,no,youdid not tellme" "You weren't -- No,no,youdid not tellme the road." "No,no,youdid not tellme the road." "[ Birds squawking ]" "The road." "[ Birds squawking ] ...secondsin1993,now" "[ Birds squawking ] ...secondsin1993,now  losing it to lance armstrong ...Secondsin1993,now  losing it to lance armstrong here by seven." "Losing it to lance armstrong here by seven." "History's almost repeated." "Here by seven." "History's almost repeated." "Absolutelyremarkable,but" "History's almost repeated." "Absolutelyremarkable,but look at the face on armstrong" "Absolutelyremarkable,but look at the face on armstrong there." "Look at the face on armstrong there." "He's come here on a mission." "There." "He's come here on a mission." "Iboughtintothe story,too," "He's come here on a mission." "Iboughtintothe story,too,  with lance coming back." "Iboughtintothe story,too,  with lance coming back." "He had seven victories." "With lance coming back." "He had seven victories." "[ Crowd cheering ]" "He had seven victories." "[ Crowd cheering ] floyd landis won one, so there" "[ Crowd cheering ] floyd landis won one, so there were eight american victories." "Floyd landis won one, so there were eight american victories." "Aslandisgetsoff his bike" "Were eight american victories." "Aslandisgetsoff his bike like he's about to deliver the" "Aslandisgetsoff his bike like he's about to deliver the newspaper." "Like he's about to deliver the newspaper." "Itwasaprettyimpressive" "Newspaper." "Itwasaprettyimpressive streak there for the americans." "Itwasaprettyimpressive streak there for the americans." "[ Chuckles ]" "Streak there for the americans." "[ Chuckles ] but it wasn't real." "[ Chuckles ] but it wasn't real." "That's the sad part." "But it wasn't real." "That's the sad part." "Hisfairytalejustgoes on" "That's the sad part." "Hisfairytalejustgoes on and on, and the... [speakingindistinctly]" "And an enormous crowd on" "Alpe d'huez now, and still" "Greg lemond follows the wheel of" "His teammate, bernard hinault." "There'ssomethingmagical about the tour." "People talk about the olympics." "About the tour." "People talk about the olympics." "I go, "that's nothing compared" "People talk about the olympics." "I go, "that's nothing compared to the tour, as an event."" "I go, "that's nothing compared to the tour, as an event." Thetworiderswho have" "To the tour, as an event." Thetworiderswho have projected themselves without a" "Thetworiderswho have projected themselves without a shadow of a doubt as the two" "Projected themselves without a shadow of a doubt as the two greatest riders in this year's" "Shadow of a doubt as the two greatest riders in this year's tour de france." "It'stheformula1grand" "Prix, new york city marathon," "But doing that for 21 days and" "With 15 million people." "You'vegotan americanthat's" "Going to possibly win the yellow" "Jersey for the first time." "Oh, this has been a" "Tour de france in the greatest" "Tradition of the event." "We thought these days had gone." "Whenyougetdowninthe tour, you know right away the" "Whenyougetdowninthe tour, you know right away the hierarchy." "Tour, you know right away the hierarchy." "It was hinault and myself." "Hierarchy." "It was hinault and myself." "...thetwogreatestriders" "It was hinault and myself." "...thetwogreatestriders have ripped the field apart, and ...Thetwogreatestriders have ripped the field apart, and an arm goes 'round hinault." "Have ripped the field apart, and an arm goes 'round hinault." "What has greg lemond said to" "An arm goes 'round hinault." "What has greg lemond said to bernard?" "What has greg lemond said to bernard?" "In' 86,hinaultwasthe best" "Bernard?" "In' 86,hinaultwasthe best i've seen him." "In' 86,hinaultwasthe best i've seen him." "Bernardjustsmiles." "I've seen him." "Bernardjustsmiles." "This is unbelievable." "Bernardjustsmiles." "This is unbelievable." "To top off one of the hardest... this is unbelievable." "To top off one of the hardest..." "inspiteof whathewas" "To top off one of the hardest..." "inspiteof whathewas doing, i'm trying to amend the" "Inspiteof whathewas doing, i'm trying to amend the relationship." "Doing, i'm trying to amend the relationship." "Had i know what was gonna come," "Relationship." "Had i know what was gonna come, he wouldn't have been with me." "Had i know what was gonna come, he wouldn't have been with me." "Astheycomeintothe" "He wouldn't have been with me." "Astheycomeintothe finish, i'm going to ask" "Astheycomeintothe finish, i'm going to ask kathy lemond to say something" "Finish, i'm going to ask kathy lemond to say something alongside me here." "Kathy lemond to say something alongside me here." "What do you think greg said to" "Alongside me here." "What do you think greg said to bernard then?" "What do you think greg said to bernard then?" ""Youwin." "Yougoahead." "Bernard then?" ""Youwin." "Yougoahead." "You win." "You did everything."" ""Youwin." "Yougoahead." "You win." "You did everything." Forfiveyearsleadingupto" "You win." "You did everything." Forfiveyearsleadingupto  that, we had nothing but really" "Forfiveyearsleadingupto  that, we had nothing but really perfect experiences with him... that, we had nothing but really perfect experiences with him..." "allright,thereweare, the" "Perfect experiences with him..." "allright,thereweare, the first time i've ever seen it," "Allright,thereweare, the first time i've ever seen it, two men coming up the" "First time i've ever seen it, two men coming up the tour de france, and they'll do" "Two men coming up the tour de france, and they'll do it together." "Tour de france, and they'll do it together." "Allright!" "It together." "Allright!" "...which is what made it all" "Allright!" "...which is what made it all the more surprising in '86." "Thecheersareenormous,and" "You can hear kathy shouting," ""All right!"" "Iwasactuallyhappyatthat point." "...yellowjersey." "Point." "...yellowjersey." "The happiest moment in ...Yellowjersey." "The happiest moment in greg lemond's life, in kathy's" "The happiest moment in greg lemond's life, in kathy's life, too, and... greg lemond's life, in kathy's life, too, and..." "itseemedlikegregwouldwin" "Life, too, and..." "itseemedlikegregwouldwin the tour de france." "Itseemedlikegregwouldwin the tour de france." "Who else was gonna beat you?" "Iwasblownaway." "This is where it got paranoid." ""This guy can't stick to a" "This is where it got paranoid." ""This guy can't stick to a word he says."" "Our backyard was like the alps." "I was wild and into the wild." "When i was 8 years old, i" "I was wild and into the wild." "When i was 8 years old, i discovered hiking, fishing," "When i was 8 years old, i discovered hiking, fishing, downhill skiing." "Discovered hiking, fishing, downhill skiing." "Coaches said, "you know, the" "Downhill skiing." "Coaches said, "you know, the best thing for skiing is" "Coaches said, "you know, the best thing for skiing is cycling."" "Best thing for skiing is cycling." I got to get a bike." "Cycling." I got to get a bike." "Cycling was a counterculture" "I got to get a bike." "Cycling was a counterculture sport." "Cycling was a counterculture sport." "I kind of tend to not do what" "Sport." "I kind of tend to not do what everybody else is doing." "I kind of tend to not do what everybody else is doing." "My dad bought one, too." "Everybody else is doing." "My dad bought one, too." "So we started riding together." "My dad bought one, too." "So we started riding together." "There was magic to riding." "So we started riding together." "There was magic to riding." "By the end of august, we did a" "There was magic to riding." "By the end of august, we did a 100k ride, and my dad and i got" "By the end of august, we did a 100k ride, and my dad and i got to talk." "100k ride, and my dad and i got to talk." "And we were like best friends," "To talk." "And we were like best friends, like teammates." "And we were like best friends, like teammates." "Well,i getupsetwheniread" "Like teammates." "Well,i getupsetwheniread things that, "oh, greg lemond" "Well,i getupsetwheniread things that, "oh, greg lemond had to dope."" "Things that, "oh, greg lemond had to dope." It's not true." "His very first race on this road" "Out in front of our house, when" "He was a sub-Junior, was with" "Adult riders." "Greg got second." "Inthestates,you know,most  fathers and sons will bond over," "Inthestates,you know,most  fathers and sons will bond over, you know, a pitcher's mitt or," "Fathers and sons will bond over, you know, a pitcher's mitt or, you know, throwing an american" "You know, a pitcher's mitt or, you know, throwing an american football about." "You know, throwing an american football about." "Cycling " " What was the state of" "Football about." "Cycling " " What was the state of the sport then in the states?" "Cycling " " What was the state of the sport then in the states?" "Notmuch." "The sport then in the states?" "Notmuch." "I don't remember that many that" "Notmuch." "I don't remember that many that were avid cyclists." "I don't remember that many that were avid cyclists." "I had a '76 volkswagen van." "Were avid cyclists." "I had a '76 volkswagen van." "We'd leave for the bay area or" "I had a '76 volkswagen van." "We'd leave for the bay area or southern california and race." "We'd leave for the bay area or southern california and race." "They were amateur races, but" "Southern california and race." "They were amateur races, but greg was doing very well." "They were amateur races, but greg was doing very well." "Iwon11 races,and i'm" "Greg was doing very well." "Iwon11 races,and i'm  bored." "Iwon11 races,and i'm  bored." "16, 17 years old, i went to" "Bored." "16, 17 years old, i went to europe by myself for two months 16, 17 years old, i went to europe by myself for two months with 75 bucks in my pocket." "Europe by myself for two months with 75 bucks in my pocket." "Everybody had this mentality" "With 75 bucks in my pocket." "Everybody had this mentality that europeans are unbeatable." "Everybody had this mentality that europeans are unbeatable." "They're mythical, actually." "That europeans are unbeatable." "They're mythical, actually." "They're like " " They're from" "They're mythical, actually." "They're like " " They're from another planet." "They're like " " They're from another planet." "I'm thinking, "those" "Another planet." "I'm thinking, "those tour de france winners have to" "I'm thinking, "those tour de france winners have to start somewhere, just like me."" "Tour de france winners have to start somewhere, just like me." Two races in switzerland, two" "Start somewhere, just like me." Two races in switzerland, two races in france " " I won them," "Two races in switzerland, two races in france " " I won them, went to belgium, won six out of" "Races in france " " I won them, went to belgium, won six out of eight." "Went to belgium, won six out of eight." "That's when i wrote my four" "Eight." "That's when i wrote my four goals out." "That's when i wrote my four goals out." "[Chuckles]" "Goals out." "[Chuckles] this is written in october of" "[Chuckles] this is written in october of 1978, which would have made" "This is written in october of 1978, which would have made him 17." "1978, which would have made him 17." ""Cycling goals -- '79, win the" "Him 17." ""Cycling goals -- '79, win the junior world championship road" ""Cycling goals -- '79, win the junior world championship road race," which he did." "Junior world championship road race," which he did." ""1980, win the olympic road" "Race," which he did." ""1980, win the olympic road race."" ""1980, win the olympic road race." Not possible because of the" "Race." Not possible because of the boycott." "Not possible because of the boycott." ""By age 22, win pro world" "Boycott." ""By age 22, win pro world championships road race." ""By age 22, win pro world championships road race." "Age 25, win the tour de france."" "120ridersbeganthe first" "Stage of the tour de france" "Cycle race over a distance of 2,850 miles." "Snakingaroundtortuous" "Mountain roads and then into a" "Straightaway stretch at top" "Speed, european bike racers hit" "The halfway point in the" "Tour de france, the world series" "Of bicycle marathons." "Andbetweenstages,the" "Riders stop for nothing." "They eat in the saddle, but" "There are still many miles to" "Be eaten up, and the wheels must" "Be kept turning." "Thedistancealoneisenough" "To daunt most men, but tactics" "Are just as important as" "Endurance, and from the start," "The race is strongly controlled" "By merckx and his molteni team" "To prevent any breakaways." "Doyourememberthe first tour you ever saw?" "1978." "Tour you ever saw?" "1978." "[ Cheers and applause ] 1978." "[ Cheers and applause ] we didn't have tv coverage at" "[ Cheers and applause ] we didn't have tv coverage at that time in the u.S., so it was" "We didn't have tv coverage at that time in the u.S., so it was seeing it live." "That time in the u.S., so it was seeing it live." "Whatstruckyoumostabout" "Seeing it live." "Whatstruckyoumostabout it?" "Whatstruckyoumostabout it?" "Theatmosphereof thecrowds," "It?" "Theatmosphereof thecrowds, the cars, the speed that they" "Theatmosphereof thecrowds, the cars, the speed that they went by." "The cars, the speed that they went by." "Holy cow, these guys are flying." "[ Man speaking french ]" "Beforeyoumet" "Bernard hinault, what did you" "Know of him and his reputation?" "Onlyfromreadingmagazines" "In 1978, '79." "I knew he was the best rider." "Hinault kind of raced by instinct." "Hinault kind of raced by instinct." "If instructed to go kill, he'll" "Instinct." "If instructed to go kill, he'll kill." "[ Up-Tempo music playing ]" "Wheredoesthisnickname," ""The badger," come from?" "Physically,helookslikea" "Badger, very lean, little eyes," "And his, like, you know " " Like" "His nose and then the shape of" "His face." "[ Music stops ]" "[ Indistinct conversations ]" ""Thebadger,"yeah,yeah." "Very proud." "Did he show you that badger that" "He has, that stuffed badger?" "Thefaceof thebadger." "Beware, american." "The badger is quiet only at home." "The badger is quiet only at home." "Idon'tknowanythingabout" "Home." "Idon'tknowanythingabout badgers, but i've read that when" "Idon'tknowanythingabout badgers, but i've read that when you corner a badger, he really" "Badgers, but i've read that when you corner a badger, he really starts snarling and hooking at" "You corner a badger, he really starts snarling and hooking at you with his claws, and that" "Starts snarling and hooking at you with his claws, and that seems to be bernard hinault's" "You with his claws, and that seems to be bernard hinault's personality pretty much." "Seems to be bernard hinault's personality pretty much." "[ Man speaking french ]" "Personality pretty much." "[ Man speaking french ] everygeneration,guysare" "[ Man speaking french ] everygeneration,guysare  looking for the boss of the" "Everygeneration,guysare  looking for the boss of the peloton." "Looking for the boss of the peloton." "Hinault was obviously the boss" "Peloton." "Hinault was obviously the boss of the peloton." "Hinault was obviously the boss of the peloton." "Whenhebrokein, inthe" "Of the peloton." "Whenhebrokein, inthe tour " " What was it, '78?" "" "Whenhebrokein, inthe tour " " What was it, '78?" " The riders had that strike." "Tour " " What was it, '78?" " The riders had that strike." "He was their spokesman." "The riders had that strike." "He was their spokesman." "I thought, "huh." "He was their spokesman." "I thought, "huh." "You have all these riders a" "I thought, "huh." "You have all these riders a decade older than him, and he is" "You have all these riders a decade older than him, and he is their leader."" "Decade older than him, and he is their leader." [ Indistinct conversations ]" "Their leader." [ Indistinct conversations ] hewaslikethe comandante." "Somebody wanted to take a piss," "You had to ask hinault." "Somebody had something wrong with their casquette, you had to ask hinault." "With their casquette, you had to ask hinault." "There was something i loved" "Ask hinault." "There was something i loved about this because at least" "There was something i loved about this because at least somebody was in charge." "About this because at least somebody was in charge." "He'sgotquitealegend." "Somebody was in charge." "He'sgotquitealegend." "Hinaultwas,like,impossible" "He'sgotquitealegend." "Hinaultwas,like,impossible to destroy, you know, like very" "Hinaultwas,like,impossible to destroy, you know, like very tough, very strong." "To destroy, you know, like very tough, very strong." ""If you want to beat me, you" "Tough, very strong." ""If you want to beat me, you have to kill me."" ""If you want to beat me, you have to kill me." [ Man shouting in french ]" "Have to kill me." [ Man shouting in french ] heisso determined." "[ Man shouting in french ] heisso determined." "Going over the side of the road" "Heisso determined." "Going over the side of the road and then coming back up and" "Going over the side of the road and then coming back up and winning the race." "And then coming back up and winning the race." "[ Man shouting in french ]" "His record is amazing." "He won all the classics, and he won all three of the" "He won all the classics, and he won all three of the grand tours." "He won all three of the grand tours." "[ Man speaking french ]" "Hewasalsoveryoutspoken when he didn't like a race." "Like, for instance," "When he didn't like a race." "Like, for instance, paris roubaix " " He thought" "Like, for instance, paris roubaix " " He thought cobbles were bull[bleep] you" "Paris roubaix " " He thought cobbles were bull[bleep] you know, and he said so." "Cobbles were bull[bleep] you know, and he said so." "Hesaidit wasarace for" "Know, and he said so." "Hesaidit wasarace for [bleep]" "Hesaidit wasarace for [bleep] yeah,absolutely." "[Bleep] yeah,absolutely." "But he won it." "Yeah,absolutely." "But he won it." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "But he won it." "[ Cheers and applause ] there was a strike in the middle" "[ Cheers and applause ] there was a strike in the middle of the road." "There was a strike in the middle of the road." "He went off his bike, and he" "Of the road." "He went off his bike, and he started punching the union" "He went off his bike, and he started punching the union leaders... started punching the union leaders..." "not because he had anything" "Leaders..." "not because he had anything special against them, but they" "Not because he had anything special against them, but they were standing in his way, you" "Special against them, but they were standing in his way, you know?" "Were standing in his way, you know?" "He's a guy who didn't like" "Know?" "He's a guy who didn't like people to stand in his way." "He's a guy who didn't like people to stand in his way." "[Shoutingin french]" "People to stand in his way." "[Shoutingin french] i'ma littlenervousabout" "[Shoutingin french] i'ma littlenervousabout meeting him." "I'ma littlenervousabout meeting him." "Idon'tthinkyou shouldbe," "Meeting him." "Idon'tthinkyou shouldbe, you know?" "Idon'tthinkyou shouldbe, you know?" "As far as i know, he's never" "You know?" "As far as i know, he's never really hit a journalist, so... as far as i know, he's never really hit a journalist, so..." "[ laughs ]" "Really hit a journalist, so..." "[ laughs ] andyou'regonnatranslate" "[ Laughs ] andyou'regonnatranslate for us?" "Andyou'regonnatranslate for us?" "Sure." "For us?" "Sure." "Might i explained to bernard" "Sure." "Might i explained to bernard the way we work, okay?" "Might i explained to bernard the way we work, okay?" "Yeah,yeah." "The way we work, okay?" "Yeah,yeah." "He knows that i'm asking the" "Yeah,yeah." "He knows that i'm asking the questions." "He knows that i'm asking the questions." "[ Laughter ]" "If you could give him this and" "Say we know he's very busy at" "The tour de picardie and we" "Really appreciate him coming" "To do this interview." "[ Laughter ]" "[ Laughter ]" "In1980,iwas 18yearsold," "Racing on the u.S. National" "Team, getting ready for the" "Olympics." "And i was approached by hinault's coach, cyrille guimard, and he came to" "Hinault's coach, cyrille guimard, and he came to reno, nevada." "Cyrille guimard, and he came to reno, nevada." "It was kind of hilarious because" "Reno, nevada." "It was kind of hilarious because cyrille guimard and hinault " "It was kind of hilarious because cyrille guimard and hinault -- The first thing they asked us " "Cyrille guimard and hinault -- The first thing they asked us -- "Can we go to a western store?"" "The first thing they asked us -- "Can we go to a western store?" And they bought cowboy hats," ""Can we go to a western store?" And they bought cowboy hats, boots." "And they bought cowboy hats, boots." "I was star-Struck, a little awed" "Boots." "I was star-Struck, a little awed by meeting him." "Whengregcametofrancefor" "The first time, he was the talk" "Of the peloton." "Everybody had heard about this" "American who was so gifted and" "Everything." "Hinault simply wanted the best team around him, so he decided, "i need to have this guy on my" "Team around him, so he decided, "i need to have this guy on my team because it's better to have" ""I need to have this guy on my team because it's better to have him on my team than to have him" "Team because it's better to have him on my team than to have him against me."" "Him on my team than to have him against me." Wekindof gotintothis" "Against me." Wekindof gotintothis  together, in one sense, and i" "Wekindof gotintothis  together, in one sense, and i became the manager." "Together, in one sense, and i became the manager." "When hinault came here to my" "Became the manager." "When hinault came here to my home in 1980 with" "When hinault came here to my home in 1980 with cyrille guimard, we were told" "Home in 1980 with cyrille guimard, we were told that he would retire at the end" "Cyrille guimard, we were told that he would retire at the end of 1986." "That he would retire at the end of 1986." "Greg would be tutored to take" "Of 1986." "Greg would be tutored to take over hinault's position." "Greg would be tutored to take over hinault's position." "Theapprentice." "Anapprentice,right." "Akindof lukeskywalker" "Character." "Yeah." "Right." "Igotbasicallyadraftfrom the biggest team at the time -- Renault." "The biggest team at the time -- Renault." "I mean, four years of riding," "Renault." "I mean, four years of riding, i'm now with the very best team." "Whatagedidyou get married?" "Iwas20 ,andgregwas19." "I think we'd seen each other 16" "Times." "I counted it out." "And it was really dramatic" "Because my parents were totally" "Against it and his parents were" "Totally fine with it." "Guimard offered him a contract and he came back and he said, "you know, i can't go without" "And he came back and he said, "you know, i can't go without you."" ""You know, i can't go without you." I don't know." "You." I don't know." "I was so crazy in love with him" "I don't know." "I was so crazy in love with him that i did not care." "I was so crazy in love with him that i did not care." "I was going." "That i did not care." "I was going." "That's all there was to it." "I was going." "That's all there was to it." "Idon'tthinkthatgreg would" "That's all there was to it." "Idon'tthinkthatgreg would have made it with katy." "Idon'tthinkthatgreg would have made it with katy." "They got married in december of" "Have made it with katy." "They got married in december of 1980 and then a month later left" "They got married in december of 1980 and then a month later left for europe." "Hinaultwasan amazing teammate." "He was an exceptional person." "Teammate." "He was an exceptional person." "Becausehinault'sreputation" "He was an exceptional person." "Becausehinault'sreputation at the time was this sort of" "Becausehinault'sreputation at the time was this sort of fearsome " " You know, the" "At the time was this sort of fearsome " " You know, the badger." "Fearsome " " You know, the badger." "Hewasagentleman." "Badger." "Hewasagentleman." "Hewas." "He wasagood guy." "Hewasagentleman." "Hewas." "He wasagood guy." "We loved and respected" "Hewas." "He wasagood guy." "We loved and respected bernard hinault." "We loved and respected bernard hinault." "Well,tosay"loved,"it's" "Bernard hinault." "Well,tosay"loved,"it's  just... well,tosay"loved,"it's  just..." "no,asa- - [Chuckles]" "Just..." "no,asa- - [Chuckles] he was very handsome." "No,asa- - [Chuckles] he was very handsome." "[ Laughs ]" "He was very handsome." "[ Laughs ] no,i hadalot ofrespect" "[ Laughs ] no,i hadalot ofrespect for him." "No,i hadalot ofrespect for him." "Wedid." "For him." "Wedid." "Like, as a man, he was very" "Wedid." "Like, as a man, he was very fair." "Like, as a man, he was very fair." "Probation'sbrutal,andyou" "Fair." "Probation'sbrutal,andyou  sign a contract." "Probation'sbrutal,andyou  sign a contract." "They want you racing 80, 90" "Sign a contract." "They want you racing 80, 90 days a year." "They want you racing 80, 90 days a year." "No american's ever really done" "Days a year." "No american's ever really done it." "No american's ever really done it." "There are a couple of americans" "It." "There are a couple of americans who went over and attempted it," "There are a couple of americans who went over and attempted it, but this was really coming on" "Who went over and attempted it, but this was really coming on the major, major level." "Itwasatoughlife ." "I mean, they didn't speak french." "I mean, they didn't speak french." "In the area that cyrille guimard" "French." "In the area that cyrille guimard had them move to, no one spoke" "In the area that cyrille guimard had them move to, no one spoke english." "Had them move to, no one spoke english." "And you could not get the bbc." "English." "And you could not get the bbc." "You couldn't get any relief." "And you could not get the bbc." "You couldn't get any relief." "Welivedin thishouse" "You couldn't get any relief." "Welivedin thishouse without heat or hot water." "Welivedin thishouse without heat or hot water." "When my parents first visited," "Without heat or hot water." "When my parents first visited, my mom just burst out crying." "When my parents first visited, my mom just burst out crying." "Greg looked like a p.O.W., he" "My mom just burst out crying." "Greg looked like a p.O.W., he was so skinny, and it was clear." "Greg looked like a p.O.W., he was so skinny, and it was clear." "I mean, we had nothing." "Was so skinny, and it was clear." "I mean, we had nothing." "And then that same weekend was" "I mean, we had nothing." "And then that same weekend was when my dad said to me, you" "And then that same weekend was when my dad said to me, you know, "i get it." "Now i get it." "When my dad said to me, you know, "i get it." "Now i get it." "I mean, he really is one in a" "Know, "i get it." "Now i get it." "I mean, he really is one in a million."" "I mean, he really is one in a million." Yougobacktothosedays, it" "Million." Yougobacktothosedays, it was so novel to have an" "Yougobacktothosedays, it was so novel to have an american." "Was so novel to have an american." "There really weren't many of us." "American." "There really weren't many of us." "You know, the french " " God love" "There really weren't many of us." "You know, the french " " God love them " " They were so insular." "You know, the french " " God love them " " They were so insular." "Greg was so quirky to them." "Them " " They were so insular." "Greg was so quirky to them." "He ate ice cream." "You just didn't do this." "Nobody ate ice cream." "They didn't like the fact that" "Greg liked to golf 'cause nobody" "Golfed." "Theywerevery traditionalist." "There was not much change." "Traditionalist." "There was not much change." "Greg brought wives to the sport," "There was not much change." "Greg brought wives to the sport, which were forbidden before." "Greg brought wives to the sport, which were forbidden before." "Greg'scoacheswouldalways," "Which were forbidden before." "Greg'scoacheswouldalways, you know, follow him back to the" "Greg'scoacheswouldalways, you know, follow him back to the room and make sure we didn't" "You know, follow him back to the room and make sure we didn't have any time alone." "Room and make sure we didn't have any time alone." "And greg's like, "you know," "Have any time alone." "And greg's like, "you know, we're not animals."" "And greg's like, "you know, we're not animals." [ Laughs ] like... we're not animals." [ Laughs ] like..." "i think greg felt so alone and" "[ Laughs ] like..." "i think greg felt so alone and we were so crazy about each" "I think greg felt so alone and we were so crazy about each other that i think guimard saw," "We were so crazy about each other that i think guimard saw, if i came, greg was better." "Other that i think guimard saw, if i came, greg was better." "But the year we had geoff, i" "If i came, greg was better." "But the year we had geoff, i figured out geoffrey and i spent" "But the year we had geoff, i figured out geoffrey and i spent 100 nights in a hotel following" "Figured out geoffrey and i spent 100 nights in a hotel following greg the year he was born." "100 nights in a hotel following greg the year he was born." "[ Man speaking french ]" "Greg the year he was born." "[ Man speaking french ] lemondbeganto speakvery" "[ Man speaking french ] lemondbeganto speakvery good french... lemondbeganto speakvery good french..." "[speakingfrench]" "Good french..." "[speakingfrench] ...andhadalovelywife ... [speakingfrench] ...andhadalovelywife ..." "[speakingfrench] ...Andhadalovelywife ..." "[speakingfrench] ...becametotallyaccepted," "[Speakingfrench] ...becametotallyaccepted, and then he won." "...Becametotallyaccepted, and then he won." "And god knows the french love a" "And then he won." "And god knows the french love a winner." "Hinaultwasveryvulnerable" "Because he had that knee" "Problem." "He was clever enough to think, "i need to change something if i want to keep on winning," and" ""I need to change something if i want to keep on winning," and that's what he did." "Want to keep on winning," and that's what he did." "He needed to get away from" "That's what he did." "He needed to get away from guimard." "He needed to get away from guimard." "And he really needed to get away" "Guimard." "And he really needed to get away from the old french classic" "And he really needed to get away from the old french classic tradition of cycling." "From the old french classic tradition of cycling." "Not only did he kill the father" "Tradition of cycling." "Not only did he kill the father at one stage in his career, but" "Not only did he kill the father at one stage in his career, but he found another one that helped" "At one stage in his career, but he found another one that helped him, you know, progress." "Hedidhavearun-Inwith guimard." "It's like he just left, and" "Guimard." "It's like he just left, and somehow he formed his own team." "It's like he just left, and somehow he formed his own team." "And fairly impressive when you" "Somehow he formed his own team." "And fairly impressive when you think about it " " Six months," "And fairly impressive when you think about it " " Six months, he has a new team." "Think about it " " Six months, he has a new team." "But it seemed kind of almost" "He has a new team." "But it seemed kind of almost unorganized." "[Singingin french] ithinkhe startedasa  singer on a cruise ship." "Ithinkhe startedasa  singer on a cruise ship." "Yeah,hedid." "Singer on a cruise ship." "Yeah,hedid." "Yeah, a singer on a cruise ship," "Yeah,hedid." "Yeah, a singer on a cruise ship, probably a gigolo, dancing with" "Yeah, a singer on a cruise ship, probably a gigolo, dancing with the old ladies on the cruise" "Probably a gigolo, dancing with the old ladies on the cruise ship." "The old ladies on the cruise ship." "Yeah, that would be tapie's" "Ship." "Yeah, that would be tapie's style." "Yeah, that would be tapie's style." "Tapie was a chameleon, an" "Style." "Tapie was a chameleon, an operator " " Is an operator." "Tapie was a chameleon, an operator " " Is an operator." "I mean, you know, still doing" "Operator " " Is an operator." "I mean, you know, still doing it." "I mean, you know, still doing it." "You know, he was an" "It." "You know, he was an entrepreneur, which is something" "You know, he was an entrepreneur, which is something very sadly lacking in france." "Entrepreneur, which is something very sadly lacking in france." "He wanted to make his name in" "Very sadly lacking in france." "He wanted to make his name in cycling, and he did a lot of" "He wanted to make his name in cycling, and he did a lot of good." "Cycling, and he did a lot of good." "Cycling before tapie was in the" "Good." "Cycling before tapie was in the 1920s or '30s." "Iwasat ahotelin I'alpe d'huez." "I still remember the woman." "L'alpe d'huez." "I still remember the woman." "She came on a motorcycle, black" "I still remember the woman." "She came on a motorcycle, black helmet, and a black leather" "She came on a motorcycle, black helmet, and a black leather outfit." "Helmet, and a black leather outfit." "[Chuckles]" "Outfit." "[Chuckles] dark,longhair,a" "[Chuckles] dark,longhair,a james bond type of girl." "Dark,longhair,a james bond type of girl." "[ French accent ] "monsieur" "James bond type of girl." "[ French accent ] "monsieur lemond, monsieur tapie would" "[ French accent ] "monsieur lemond, monsieur tapie would like to see you."" "Lemond, monsieur tapie would like to see you." [ Normal voice ] i go, "okay." "Like to see you." [ Normal voice ] i go, "okay." "What does he want to talk" "[ Normal voice ] i go, "okay." "What does he want to talk about?"" "What does he want to talk about?" [ French accent ] "it is" "About?" [ French accent ] "it is confidential." "[ French accent ] "it is confidential." "Just come with me."" "Confidential." "Just come with me." [ Normal voice ] i can't believe" "Just come with me." [ Normal voice ] i can't believe i jumped on the motor" "[ Normal voice ] i can't believe i jumped on the motor-- Iknow." "Whydid you dothat ?" "I jumped on the motor-- Iknow." "Whydid you dothat ?" "Ijumpedon themotorcycle." "Iknow." "Whydid you dothat ?" "Ijumpedon themotorcycle." "She's driving, and i'm holding" "Ijumpedon themotorcycle." "She's driving, and i'm holding on to her." "She's driving, and i'm holding on to her." "And it's vroom, vroom, vroom." "On to her." "And it's vroom, vroom, vroom." "Showed up at another hotel and" "And it's vroom, vroom, vroom." "Showed up at another hotel and brought up to this room." "Showed up at another hotel and brought up to this room." "There's hinault and tapie." "Brought up to this room." "There's hinault and tapie." "His first words are, "how would" "There's hinault and tapie." "His first words are, "how would you like to make more money than" "His first words are, "how would you like to make more money than you ever thought possible?"" "You like to make more money than you ever thought possible?" And i'm like, "well, what do you" "You ever thought possible?" And i'm like, "well, what do you mean?"" "And i'm like, "well, what do you mean?" [ Chuckles ]" "Mean?" [ Chuckles ] he said, "well, i'm gonna make" "[ Chuckles ] he said, "well, i'm gonna make you a millionaire."" "He said, "well, i'm gonna make you a millionaire." And i'm like, "okay."" "You a millionaire." And i'm like, "okay." "I want to hire you." "And i'm like, "okay." "I want to hire you." "We want to build the best team." ""I want to hire you." "We want to build the best team." "We believe that you're gonna be" "We want to build the best team." "We believe that you're gonna be the next leader of cycling, and" "We believe that you're gonna be the next leader of cycling, and hinault would like to attempt to" "The next leader of cycling, and hinault would like to attempt to win a fifth tour." "Hinault would like to attempt to win a fifth tour." "And, you know, it depends on" "Win a fifth tour." "And, you know, it depends on how " " I mean, it really wasn't" "And, you know, it depends on how " " I mean, it really wasn't like he's the absolute leader," "How " " I mean, it really wasn't like he's the absolute leader, but that's what the goal is." "Like he's the absolute leader, but that's what the goal is." "And if not, you know, you're a" "But that's what the goal is." "And if not, you know, you're a co-Leader." "And if not, you know, you're a co-Leader." "And i'm gonna pay you $1 million" "Co-Leader." "And i'm gonna pay you $1 million over three years."" "And i'm gonna pay you $1 million over three years." [ Chuckles ]" "Over three years." [ Chuckles ] and he showed me this clip-Less" "[ Chuckles ] and he showed me this clip-Less pedal called the look pedal." "And he showed me this clip-Less pedal called the look pedal." "He said, "i want you for the" "Pedal called the look pedal." "He said, "i want you for the american market." "He said, "i want you for the american market." "We think this pedal is gonna be" "American market." "We think this pedal is gonna be the next big thing."" "We think this pedal is gonna be the next big thing." And i'm making 100 grand at that" "The next big thing." And i'm making 100 grand at that time, $330,000, plus a bucket" "And i'm making 100 grand at that time, $330,000, plus a bucket pedal." "Time, $330,000, plus a bucket pedal." "Bernardhinaultin the" "Pedal." "Bernardhinaultin the sunglasses, greg lemond behind" "Bernardhinaultin the sunglasses, greg lemond behind him, and on the left, the boss." "Sunglasses, greg lemond behind him, and on the left, the boss." "His name is bernard tapie, and" "Him, and on the left, the boss." "His name is bernard tapie, and he is the man responsible for" "His name is bernard tapie, and he is the man responsible for the la vie claire dream team of" "He is the man responsible for the la vie claire dream team of cycling." "The la vie claire dream team of cycling." "Ifoundthatcontractjust" "Cycling." "Ifoundthatcontractjust  recently." "Ifoundthatcontractjust  recently." "We were supposed to get $1 a" "Recently." "We were supposed to get $1 a pedal for look." "We were supposed to get $1 a pedal for look." "And, uh... pedal for look." "And, uh..." "wedidn'tgetadime ." "And, uh..." "wedidn'tgetadime ." "[ Laughs ]" "Workingwithme willbe" "Five-Time olympic gold medalist" "Eric heiden and also a veteran" "Of 13 tours de france as a" "Commentator, phil liggett." "And, phil, we have a chance to" "See perhaps an american winner" "Here in greg lemond." "Absolutely,john,andreally," "For the first time, greg lemond" "Is now ready to win the" "Tour de france and add a little" "Bit more history to this great" "Sporting event." "Of course, his main adversary is" "His own teammate," "Bernard hinault, and he's the" "Man that lemond may well have to" "Beat to get that final yellow" "Jersey when the race ends in" "Paris." "Andyou'vegot22teams,with 9 men on the squad." "The unique character who wins 9 men on the squad." "The unique character who wins the tour de france has just" "The unique character who wins the tour de france has just about everything." "The tour de france has just about everything." "There's very unlikely to be more" "About everything." "There's very unlikely to be more than five guys with this unique" "There's very unlikely to be more than five guys with this unique ability." "Than five guys with this unique ability." "You've got to be able to climb" "Ability." "You've got to be able to climb mountains." "You've got to be able to climb mountains." "You got to be able to show the" "Mountains." "You got to be able to show the descending skills at 100" "You got to be able to show the descending skills at 100 kilometers an hour, and above" "Descending skills at 100 kilometers an hour, and above all, you've got to ride the" "Kilometers an hour, and above all, you've got to ride the individual time trials." "All, you've got to ride the individual time trials." "We always call it the race of" "Individual time trials." "We always call it the race of truth." "We always call it the race of truth." "It's you against the watch." "And there aren't many riders got" "All that ability, so what they" "Do is they choose a leader who" "They think have that ability," "Put him in as the leader of the" "Team." "And then the others are called the kitchen help." "We call them domestiques." "The kitchen help." "We call them domestiques." "They'll come 'round you like a" "We call them domestiques." "They'll come 'round you like a queen bee." "They'll come 'round you like a queen bee." "Their job is to make sure their" "Queen bee." "Their job is to make sure their leader is in exactly the" "Their job is to make sure their leader is in exactly the position when it matters to win" "Leader is in exactly the position when it matters to win the race because they know he" "Position when it matters to win the race because they know he can do it and they can't." "The race because they know he can do it and they can't." "Inthe1985tour,whodidyou" "Can do it and they can't." "Inthe1985tour,whodidyou think was the strongest rider " "Inthe1985tour,whodidyou think was the strongest rider -- Bernard hinault or greg lemond?" "Think was the strongest rider -- Bernard hinault or greg lemond?" "No,itwascertainlyhinault." "Bernard hinault or greg lemond?" "No,itwascertainlyhinault." "He was looking to win his fifth" "No,itwascertainlyhinault." "He was looking to win his fifth tour de france." "He was looking to win his fifth tour de france." "Greg was seen as a very strong" "Tour de france." "Greg was seen as a very strong support." "Goingintothetour,wasit" "Decided who would be the leader," "Or did you just leave it to see" "What would happen?" "Therewasan agreementalso." "It was that i would sacrifice everything even if i was" "It was that i would sacrifice everything even if i was stronger." "Andonceagain,therewehave" "A demonstration with" "Bernard hinault." "He's sitting at the front of the" "Field wearing that bright yellow" "Jersey as leader of the" "Tour de france." "He's led for over a week now... sofarin hinault'slife," "Apart from the knee problem, it" "Wasn't gonna go wrong." "Thebadger,bernardhinault," "In second place, with the" "Attacks coming from the lesser" "Men now, and the field " "Oh, look, there was a crash" "There!" "The whole bunch has gone down!" "The whole bunch has gone down!" "And hinault is one of the" "Fallers, i'm sure." "And this man is injured now." "He's rocking and rolling and comes to the line, needless to" "He's rocking and rolling and comes to the line, needless to say, to the applause of the" "Comes to the line, needless to say, to the applause of the crowd here." "Say, to the applause of the crowd here." ""Now please give me some room,"" "Crowd here." ""Now please give me some room," he's shouting at everybody." ""Now please give me some room," he's shouting at everybody." "Hefinishedwithhis nose" "He's shouting at everybody." "Hefinishedwithhis nose covered in blood and his face." "Hefinishedwithhis nose covered in blood and his face." "He picked up his baby son, who" "Covered in blood and his face." "He picked up his baby son, who was in tears, and he says," "He picked up his baby son, who was in tears, and he says, "touch my nose."" "Was in tears, and he says, "touch my nose." And the kid touches his nose." ""Touch my nose." And the kid touches his nose." "He says, "see?" "It's nothing,"" "And the kid touches his nose." "He says, "see?" "It's nothing," and walks away." "Thatisstephenroche,and" "This is roche's big effort now." "He's said if it didn't happen" "Today, then hinault has won the" "Tour." "Everyday,igot strongerand" "Stronger, and i was holding" "Back." "And until one day in the pyrenees, i just followed stephen roche, and we were" "Pyrenees, i just followed stephen roche, and we were minutes ahead of hinault." "Stephen roche, and we were minutes ahead of hinault." "I didn't know he cracked." "Minutes ahead of hinault." "I didn't know he cracked." "Bernardwasnotinthebest" "I didn't know he cracked." "Bernardwasnotinthebest shape because of the crash in" "Bernardwasnotinthebest shape because of the crash in saint-étienne." "Shape because of the crash in saint-étienne." "Andyoucansee therethe" "Saint-étienne." "Andyoucansee therethe terrible black eyes of" "Andyoucansee therethe terrible black eyes of bernard hinault." "Terrible black eyes of bernard hinault." "He got dropped." "Andlemond,whowillcome" "Into the picture now." "Andgregwentwith" "Stephen roche, who had attacked." "And my assistant director," "Maurice le guilloux " " He went" "Behind the brake with greg." "Maurice called me and said," ""Greg wants to ride with" "Stephen roche," and i said," ""No way, no way, no way."" "Theystartedtheracefirst" "And second." "You know, hinault was leading," "Lemond was second, roche was" "Third." "As they're on the road, you" "Know, going over some mountains," "With greg working with roche," "The team was looking at" "Finishing the day in first and" "Third." "So, the word from koechli -- What he told me is, "i told greg, 'you can't work with a guy" "What he told me is, "i told greg, 'you can't work with a guy in third to leapfrog over your" "Greg, 'you can't work with a guy in third to leapfrog over your teammate,' even though, you" "In third to leapfrog over your teammate,' even though, you know, to your personally it" "Teammate,' even though, you know, to your personally it would be great."" "Know, to your personally it would be great." And, you know, as a teammate of" "Would be great." And, you know, as a teammate of any team, it's like, "well, that" "And, you know, as a teammate of any team, it's like, "well, that makes perfect sense."" "Any team, it's like, "well, that makes perfect sense." Upfront,theargument" "Makes perfect sense." Upfront,theargument goes on." "Upfront,theargument goes on." "Lemond rebels against the team's" "Goes on." "Lemond rebels against the team's instructions." "Lemond rebels against the team's instructions." "He angrily attempts to persuade" "Instructions." "He angrily attempts to persuade his coach that he should be" "He angrily attempts to persuade his coach that he should be given the chance to win the" "His coach that he should be given the chance to win the tour." "Given the chance to win the tour." "Isuggestedthatgregwould" "Tour." "Isuggestedthatgregwould attack stephen roche and drop" "Isuggestedthatgregwould attack stephen roche and drop him and gain time on roche," "Attack stephen roche and drop him and gain time on roche, maybe even win the stage." "Him and gain time on roche, maybe even win the stage." "Theywantedhinaulttowin." "Maybe even win the stage." "Theywantedhinaulttowin." "And they told he was 45 seconds" "Theywantedhinaulttowin." "And they told he was 45 seconds behind." "And they told he was 45 seconds behind." "In reality, he was 4 or 5" "Behind." "In reality, he was 4 or 5 minutes behind." "Hemakesthepointthat he" "Was told that hinault was only" "Seconds behind him, whereas he" "Was minutes behind him." "It's" "It's" " It 'snota key question." "You go and win your tour, but" "Key question." "You go and win your tour, but you don't take roche with you." "You go and win your tour, but you don't take roche with you." "Tothechantsofhisname," "You don't take roche with you." "Tothechantsofhisname,  hinault, the badger, continues" "Tothechantsofhisname,  hinault, the badger, continues to fight... hinault, the badger, continues to fight..." "that'sbull[bleep]" "To fight..." "that'sbull[bleep] it wasn't that simple." "That'sbull[bleep] it wasn't that simple." "They didn't give me clear" "It wasn't that simple." "They didn't give me clear information." "They didn't give me clear information." "Had he told he's 4 minutes" "Information." "Had he told he's 4 minutes behind and i could attack him," "Had he told he's 4 minutes behind and i could attack him, i would have." "Behind and i could attack him, i would have." "I don't blame hinault at that." "I would have." "I don't blame hinault at that." "It was the coach and the team." "I don't blame hinault at that." "It was the coach and the team." "I don't know if hinault was" "It was the coach and the team." "I don't know if hinault was directing the coach for him to" "I don't know if hinault was directing the coach for him to tell me not to ride." "Directing the coach for him to tell me not to ride." "I don't think hinault knew what" "Tell me not to ride." "I don't think hinault knew what was happening." "I don't think hinault knew what was happening." "It was bernard tapie, koechli." "Was happening." "It was bernard tapie, koechli." "I'm riding up the climb, and i'm" "It was bernard tapie, koechli." "I'm riding up the climb, and i'm realizing that i was actually" "I'm riding up the climb, and i'm realizing that i was actually lied to." "Realizing that i was actually lied to." "[ Indistinct conversations ]" "Lied to." "[ Indistinct conversations ] you'llletgreglemondgoif" "[ Indistinct conversations ] you'llletgreglemondgoif  he wants to?" "You'llletgreglemondgoif  he wants to?" "Ifhe" " If he can." "He wants to?" "Ifhe" " If he can." "That's the problem." "Ifhe" " If he can." "That's the problem." "Alli haveto sayis, if" "That's the problem." "Alli haveto sayis, if hinault was in my place, he" "Alli haveto sayis, if hinault was in my place, he would not have waited." "Hinault was in my place, he would not have waited." "That's all i have to say." "Would not have waited." "That's all i have to say." "That'sthedifference." "That's all i have to say." "That'sthedifference." "What?" "That'sthedifference." "What?" "Ifhinaultwasinmy" " I" "What?" "Ifhinaultwasinmy" " I have nothing against hinault." "Ifhinaultwasinmy" " I have nothing against hinault." "I want him to win the tour." "Have nothing against hinault." "I want him to win the tour." "I felt that if he was in my" "I want him to win the tour." "I felt that if he was in my place at the last climb " "I felt that if he was in my place at the last climb -- Do you want me to punch you in" "Place at the last climb -- Do you want me to punch you in the face?" "Do you want me to punch you in the face?" "No." "The face?" "No." "Getoutof here." "No." "Getoutof here." "Samuelabt,youusedthe" "Getoutof here." "Samuelabt,youusedthe phrase that you were a prisoner" "Samuelabt,youusedthe phrase that you were a prisoner of hinault in the 1980" "Phrase that you were a prisoner of hinault in the 1980 grand tour." "Of hinault in the 1980 grand tour." "I'dsaymuchmoreaprisoner" "Grand tour." "I'dsaymuchmoreaprisoner of tapie." "Yeah,somethinglikethat." "Did i say that?" "Yeah, okay." "Stillthinkyouhavea chance to win?" "It'sover." "No ." "Chance to win?" "It'sover." "No ." "After that stage, i told tapie," "It'sover." "No ." "After that stage, i told tapie, "i'm done."" "After that stage, i told tapie, "i'm done." And they calmed me down and" ""I'm done." And they calmed me down and said, "well, hinault will work" "And they calmed me down and said, "well, hinault will work for you, you know, next year." "Said, "well, hinault will work for you, you know, next year." "Just " " We got to win this" "For you, you know, next year." "Just " " We got to win this tour."" "Just " " We got to win this tour." He would not have won '85 had i" "Tour." He would not have won '85 had i not been in that race with him." "Iflemondhadbeenridingon" "Another team, he would have beat" "Hinault." "That'sthestrangething about cycling, isn't it?" "Because he was on his team... about cycling, isn't it?" "Because he was on his team..." "yeah,it's" "Because he was on his team..." "yeah,it's--  You know, what they say about" "Yeah,it's--  You know, what they say about cycling." "You know, what they say about cycling." "It's an individual sport" "Cycling." "It's an individual sport practiced by teams." "It's an individual sport practiced by teams." "Bernardhinault,fivetour" "Practiced by teams." "Bernardhinault,fivetour wins." "Bernardhinault,fivetour wins." "The american story, of course," "Wins." "The american story, of course, another historic one for" "The american story, of course, another historic one for greg lemond from washoe county," "Another historic one for greg lemond from washoe county, nevada." "Greg lemond from washoe county, nevada." "A kiss from his wife, kathy." "Nevada." "A kiss from his wife, kathy." "Whatdidhe saypublicly" "A kiss from his wife, kathy." "Whatdidhe saypublicly after 1985?" "Whatdidhe saypublicly after 1985?" "Well,hepubliclystatedthat" "After 1985?" "Well,hepubliclystatedthat  he would, you know, work for me" "Well,hepubliclystatedthat  he would, you know, work for me in the '86 tour, that i'd be the" "He would, you know, work for me in the '86 tour, that i'd be the leader." "Well,there'sno question that the deal was made, and i think the deal was probably made" "That the deal was made, and i think the deal was probably made on the road." "Think the deal was probably made on the road." "I thought it was a nice" "On the road." "I thought it was a nice compromise." "Hinault gets his five wins," "Joins the exclusive club with" "The likes of eddy merckx and" "Jacques anquetil." "And now he's gonna help an american score because at this time, at this particular period," "American score because at this time, at this particular period, these guys traveled the world as" "Time, at this particular period, these guys traveled the world as friends, together." "These guys traveled the world as friends, together." "They were really good friends." "Friends, together." "They were really good friends." "[ Bell chiming ]" "[ Conversing in italian ] howdidyouthenbecomepart of la vie claire in '86?" "Howdidyouthenbecomepart of la vie claire in '86?" "Throughgreglemond" "So" "Of la vie claire in '86?" "Throughgreglemond" "So he'd have more guys to joke" "Throughgreglemond" "So he'd have more guys to joke around with in his preferred" "He'd have more guys to joke around with in his preferred language." "Around with in his preferred language." "He was delighted." "But he also told me, "hey, this" "Is great." "You know, you're a climber in" "America with all the criteriums." "You know, you don't really get to shine." "Hinault, who is the leader of" "To shine." "Hinault, who is the leader of the time -- "You know, andy," "Hinault, who is the leader of the time -- "You know, andy, we're hiring you." "The time -- "You know, andy, we're hiring you." "You climb mountains like a" "We're hiring you." "You climb mountains like a rabbit." "You climb mountains like a rabbit." "You're gonna help greg win the" "Rabbit." "You're gonna help greg win the tour in the mountains." "You're gonna help greg win the tour in the mountains." "This is how it's gonna go down."" "Tour in the mountains." "This is how it's gonna go down." Itsoundslikebernard" "This is how it's gonna go down." Itsoundslikebernard categorically said to you," "Itsoundslikebernard categorically said to you, "we're gonna race this year for" "Categorically said to you, "we're gonna race this year for greg."" ""We're gonna race this year for greg." Absolutely." "Itriedto implementmy" "Concept where you don't have a" "Leader, where everybody can do" "Anything anytime." "Soyoudidn'tbelieveinthe" "Team having one leader." "It'spartof thestrategy,a" "Very different kind of racing." "It was sometimes confusing for" "People who are not used to that." "Whydidbernardhinaultthen ," "At the end of the 1985 tour," "Make that very public pledge," ""Next year, i will ride for" "Greg"?" "Areyousurethatitis very public, that commitment?" "Yes,a commitment." "Public, that commitment?" "Yes,a commitment." "Uh...ineverunderstoodit" "Yes,a commitment." "Uh...ineverunderstoodit this way." "Butthatpledgethathinault makes " " Does that not set up the expectation that greg lemond" "Makes " " Does that not set up the expectation that greg lemond is the leader of la vie claire" "The expectation that greg lemond is the leader of la vie claire for the 1986 tour?" "Is the leader of la vie claire for the 1986 tour?" "Wedidn'thavealeader." "For the 1986 tour?" "Wedidn'thavealeader." "That's what i explained already." "Snoopy,comehere." "Comehere ." "Here." "I know in '86 he wasn't riding" "Here." "I know in '86 he wasn't riding well." "I know in '86 he wasn't riding well." "They went to tour of colombia." "Well." "They went to tour of colombia." "But then he came back, and he" "They went to tour of colombia." "But then he came back, and he started feeling good." "Hinault decided that the leader" "Would be decided after the first" "Time trial, which was" "Mind-Blowing." "Atthestarthereof bernard hinault, but everybody feels that hinault is hiding" "Bernard hinault, but everybody feels that hinault is hiding something, and now we'll find" "Feels that hinault is hiding something, and now we'll find out, and this race ensues." "Something, and now we'll find out, and this race ensues." "A terrific power in this man as" "Out, and this race ensues." "A terrific power in this man as he comes bustling over this" "A terrific power in this man as he comes bustling over this climb." "Lemond knows now that he must take on bernard hinault and match him at his speciality." "Take on bernard hinault and match him at his speciality." "10ksin,ihad aflat tire ." "Then i hit a pothole, busted my" "Wheel, and the thing was really" "Radically hitting my brake the" "Whole way in." "Whatwillgreglemondbe" "Thinking now?" "Because the le blaireau, the" "Badger, is back with a" "Tremendous ride!" "Ijustrememberyou being" "Shaken emotionally, like " "What?" "!" "No,justlike,whatwas" "Really going on?" "No, i remember it that way, that it was like you got a whiff of something being as we thought it" "It was like you got a whiff of something being as we thought it would be." "Something being as we thought it would be." "Yeah,that'sverytrue." "Would be." "Yeah,that'sverytrue." "Well, we experienced it in '85," "Yeah,that'sverytrue." "Well, we experienced it in '85, so it wasn't like " "Well, we experienced it in '85, so it wasn't like -- We'relike,"oh,no, not" "So it wasn't like -- We'relike,"oh,no, not  again."" "We'relike,"oh,no, not  again." Oursuspicionsjustcame" "Again." Oursuspicionsjustcame back up." "Oursuspicionsjustcame back up." "It was " " You know, it's like," "Back up." "It was " " You know, it's like, "oh, no, another repeat."" "Analmost,onewouldsay," ""Well, we told you so," but the" "Man in the front of this group" "Wearing number 1 is" "Bernard hinault." "Look at the crowd that's come" "Out from... and so the badger has come out" "Of his corner once again to take" "On all the riders in the" "Tour de france." "Hinaultgoesdownthe roadin" "A most ridiculous breakaway, and" "He gains five minutes." "Well, five minutes " " The tour's" "Won, normally." "The tour's finished." "Well,itmustbethis rider, bernard hinault... well,itmustbethis rider, bernard hinault..." "buthedidnot attacklemond." "Bernard hinault..." "buthedidnot attacklemond." "He did attack, period." "Buthedidnot attacklemond." "He did attack, period." "That's part of the game." "He did attack, period." "That's part of the game." "The enemy of my enemy is my" "That's part of the game." "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." "Explainwhatyoumeanby" "Friend." "Explainwhatyoumeanby that." "Explainwhatyoumeanby that." "Whenhinaultbecomesenemy" "That." "Whenhinaultbecomesenemy of our opponents... whenhinaultbecomesenemy of our opponents..." "he is the friend of lemond." "Of our opponents..." "he is the friend of lemond." "Butwasthata" "He is the friend of lemond." "Butwasthata--  Butlemond" " He thoughtit" "Butwasthata--  Butlemond" " He thoughtit was only " " It was only riding" "Butlemond" " He thoughtit was only " " It was only riding against him, but that's not" "Was only " " It was only riding against him, but that's not true." "Against him, but that's not true." "[ Laughs ]" "True." "[ Laughs ] it's part of the game that, in" "[ Laughs ] it's part of the game that, in order to use hinault against our" "It's part of the game that, in order to use hinault against our opponents, by definition," "Order to use hinault against our opponents, by definition, momentarily, he has also to ride" "Opponents, by definition, momentarily, he has also to ride against lemond." "Momentarily, he has also to ride against lemond." "Koechlitriesto be smarter" "Against lemond." "Koechlitriesto be smarter than he is." "Koechlitriesto be smarter than he is." "That's him remaking his own" "Than he is." "That's him remaking his own history." "That's him remaking his own history." "That's b.S." "History." "That's b.S. In '86, i was the leader." "That's b.S. In '86, i was the leader." "The whole team should have been" "In '86, i was the leader." "The whole team should have been right behind me." "The whole team should have been right behind me." "That goes contrary to what he" "Right behind me." "That goes contrary to what he did in '85." "That goes contrary to what he did in '85." "He wanted me to wait for hinault" "Did in '85." "He wanted me to wait for hinault and be brought in for the team" "He wanted me to wait for hinault and be brought in for the team leader." "Thechapon therightthere is running alongside the two riders... is running alongside the two riders..." "thiswasacoordinatedattack" "Riders..." "thiswasacoordinatedattack with the cooperation of" "Thiswasacoordinatedattack with the cooperation of pedro delgado's and other teams" "With the cooperation of pedro delgado's and other teams in the tour." "Pedro delgado's and other teams in the tour." "Doyouthinkhe'dmade adeal" "In the tour." "Doyouthinkhe'dmade adeal with the riders..." "Doyouthinkhe'dmade adeal with the riders..." "yeah." "Oh,yeah." "With the riders..." "yeah." "Oh,yeah." "...onotherteams?" "Yeah." "Oh,yeah." "...onotherteams?" "Yeah,forsure.[Chuckles] ...Onotherteams?" "Yeah,forsure.[Chuckles] [ crowd cheering ]" "Yeah,forsure.[Chuckles] [ crowd cheering ] whenyou'rein amajorrace" "[ Crowd cheering ] whenyou'rein amajorrace  for three weeks and you manage" "Whenyou'rein amajorrace  for three weeks and you manage to escape the big pact, the" "For three weeks and you manage to escape the big pact, the peloton, you've got to stay" "To escape the big pact, the peloton, you've got to stay friends because it's now two," "Peloton, you've got to stay friends because it's now two, three, four, however many's in" "Friends because it's now two, three, four, however many's in the lead." "Three, four, however many's in the lead." "It's you against the rest." "The lead." "It's you against the rest." "Hinaultwantsby himnow ." "It's you against the rest." "Hinaultwantsby himnow ." "He doesn't care about possibly" "Hinaultwantsby himnow ." "He doesn't care about possibly winning the stage." "He doesn't care about possibly winning the stage." "It's time that counts in the" "Winning the stage." "It's time that counts in the tour de france." "So,ifyou'rebothgonna" "Gain, then you've got to make a" "Pact." "It's quite normal to say to this guy, "you help me." "You can win." Delgado'shadago!" "Guy, "you help me." "You can win." Delgado'shadago!" "He's having a go!" "500 yards... delgado'shadago!" "He's having a go!" "500 yards..." ""becausei 'llbethebest" "He's having a go!" "500 yards..." ""becausei 'llbethebest time when we get to the finish." ""Becausei 'llbethebest time when we get to the finish." "I'll be the next maillot jaune," "Time when we get to the finish." "I'll be the next maillot jaune, the yellow jersey." "I'll be the next maillot jaune, the yellow jersey." "So, deals are made all the time." "I'minthepositionwhere," ""How am i gonna chase down my" "Teammate?"" "Thismanhasadetermination" "Like no other cyclist i've ever" "Known."" "Andi 'mlike,"i 'mdoneifi  don't break away here and attack."" "Don't break away here and attack." Andanattackbylemond!" "Attack." Andanattackbylemond!" "Luchoherreracamewithme," "Andanattackbylemond!" "Luchoherreracamewithme, and i closed " " I probably" "Luchoherreracamewithme, and i closed " " I probably closed about 2 minutes, 2 1/2," "And i closed " " I probably closed about 2 minutes, 2 1/2, 2 minutes on hinault." "Closed about 2 minutes, 2 1/2, 2 minutes on hinault." "Bernardhinaultis backin 2 minutes on hinault." "Bernardhinaultis backin the yellow jersey on leadership." "Could this...for greg lemond?" "But look at the gap." "4:36 down." "Itwouldbe likeyourbest" "Friend " " His personality" "Changes, and he becomes" "Deceptive and dishonest and" "Manipulative." "Thecrowdsalutesamost" "Marvelous athlete." "And whether he wins this" "Tour de france today or by the" "Time they get to paris, it won't" "Matter." "Wewerealmostina fistfight" "At the end of that stage." "And i would have been okay with that one." "[ Both laugh ]" "That one." "[ Both laugh ] youwerebigger." "[ Both laugh ] youwerebigger." "Todayhebecameareal" "Youwerebigger." "Todayhebecameareal  champion." "Todayhebecameareal  champion." "Andwhatwasthe atmosphere" "Champion." "Andwhatwasthe atmosphere like in the hotel that night?" "Andwhatwasthe atmosphere like in the hotel that night?" "Tense." "Like in the hotel that night?" "Tense." "Greg was very nervous because he" "Tense." "Greg was very nervous because he understood what was happening." "Greg was very nervous because he understood what was happening." "And we were freaked out because" "Understood what was happening." "And we were freaked out because hinault was sort of laughing and" "And we were freaked out because hinault was sort of laughing and apologizing -- "Oh, man, i" "Hinault was sort of laughing and apologizing -- "Oh, man, i didn't mean " " I was just trying" "Apologizing -- "Oh, man, i didn't mean " " I was just trying to foutre la merde." "Didn't mean " " I was just trying to foutre la merde." "I was just trying to break up" "To foutre la merde." "I was just trying to break up the race." "I was just trying to break up the race." "Didn't mean for it to work."" "The race." "Didn't mean for it to work." It's fratricide." "Didn't mean for it to work." It's fratricide." "It's his older brother took" "It's fratricide." "It's his older brother took him under his wing." "That'sa goodword,yeah." "That's a good word." "Lemond would say, "come up to the room, let's talk," which nobody does now." "The room, let's talk," which nobody does now." "You're never allowed into a" "Nobody does now." "You're never allowed into a rider's room." "You're never allowed into a rider's room." "You know, there might be a blood" "Rider's room." "You know, there might be a blood bag hanging on the bedpost." "You know, there might be a blood bag hanging on the bedpost." "I talked to lemond that evening," "Bag hanging on the bedpost." "I talked to lemond that evening, and he was almost hysterical," "I talked to lemond that evening, and he was almost hysterical, close to paranoia." "And he was almost hysterical, close to paranoia." "He said, "i can't sleep."" "Close to paranoia." "He said, "i can't sleep." He was a mess." "He said, "i can't sleep." He was a mess." "Iwentto thehotelandto" "He was a mess." "Iwentto thehotelandto interview greg one evening, and" "Iwentto thehotelandto interview greg one evening, and he was on the massage table," "Interview greg one evening, and he was on the massage table, and, you know, he was revealing" "He was on the massage table, and, you know, he was revealing all." "And, you know, he was revealing all." "And he was very frank, and he" "All." "And he was very frank, and he said -- [ Imitating stammering ]" "And he was very frank, and he said -- [ Imitating stammering ] you know how he talks." "Said -- [ Imitating stammering ] you know how he talks." ""I-I didn't know " " I don't know" "You know how he talks." ""I-I didn't know " " I don't know what bernard's doing." ""I-I didn't know " " I don't know what bernard's doing." "I don't know." "What bernard's doing." "I don't know." "You go and ask him." "I don't know." "You go and ask him." "He's " " I don't think he's on my" "You go and ask him." "He's " " I don't think he's on my side, and he's doing this."" "He's " " I don't think he's on my side, and he's doing this." He said, "i don't know when he's" "Side, and he's doing this." He said, "i don't know when he's gonna attack."" "He said, "i don't know when he's gonna attack." And he was really on his own." "Gonna attack." And he was really on his own." "Gregfoughtjournalistsfor" "And he was really on his own." "Gregfoughtjournalistsfor  the pleasure." "Gregfoughtjournalistsfor  the pleasure." "He talks all the time, like kind" "The pleasure." "He talks all the time, like kind of a chatterbox, you know?" "He talks all the time, like kind of a chatterbox, you know?" "The way to get away from" "Of a chatterbox, you know?" "The way to get away from pressure for greg was always to" "The way to get away from pressure for greg was always to complain." "Yeah, he was like a racehorse," "Like, you know, the same " " Even" "Physically he looked like a" "Racehorse, you know, very thin," "But at the same time, fragile." "Weweredevastated." "That's how i remember it." "Keepyourthoughtsto" "That's how i remember it." "Keepyourthoughtsto yourself." "Keepyourthoughtsto yourself." "I mean " "Yourself." "I mean -- Iwas." "I mean -- Iwas." "Iwasn'tdevastated." "Iwas." "Iwasn'tdevastated." "Furious." "Iwasn'tdevastated." "Furious." "It was like, "maybe i lost" "Furious." "It was like, "maybe i lost the tour."" "It was like, "maybe i lost the tour." You got clearly betrayed." "The tour." You got clearly betrayed." "Iprobablyshouldhavenever" "You got clearly betrayed." "Iprobablyshouldhavenever come on la vie claire because i" "Iprobablyshouldhavenever come on la vie claire because i feel i'm too close to" "Come on la vie claire because i feel i'm too close to bernard hinault, too close to" "Feel i'm too close to bernard hinault, too close to his strength, that i end up" "Bernard hinault, too close to his strength, that i end up always having to take the second" "His strength, that i end up always having to take the second position." "Always having to take the second position." "And it's my fault." "Position." "And it's my fault." "That day really heightened my" "And it's my fault." "That day really heightened my determination -- "Tomorrow, i've" "That day really heightened my determination -- "Tomorrow, i've got to take it back."" "Determination -- "Tomorrow, i've got to take it back." Butwhatarewegonnado?" "Got to take it back." Butwhatarewegonnado?" "I mean, how do you get five" "Butwhatarewegonnado?" "I mean, how do you get five minutes out of bernard hinault?" "Andtherewe cansee the main" "Field now winding its way up" "The lower slopes of the" "Col du tourmalet." "The great frenchman, not having" "Done enough yesterday, is now" "Trying to do it all again... attacksagainearly." "Bernardhinaultis alone in front." "Bernardhinaultis alone in front." "Henowattackedthe descent," "In front." "Henowattackedthe descent, which i'm thinking, "this is" "Henowattackedthe descent, which i'm thinking, "this is insanity."" "Hinault'sdoingeverything completely contrary to what he needs to do." "Completely contrary to what he needs to do." "Ifhe'salreadyfiveminutes" "He needs to do." "Ifhe'salreadyfiveminutes ahead, why is he attacking" "Ifhe'salreadyfiveminutes ahead, why is he attacking again?" "Ahead, why is he attacking again?" "Becauseinthepast,he's" "Again?" "Becauseinthepast,he's  been able to do that and psyche" "Becauseinthepast,he's  been able to do that and psyche people out." "Lookatthiscrowd." "And the man they cheered over" "The summit is in yellow," "Bernard hinault... hewastryingtobury me." "I don't think he felt comfortable with five minutes." "I don't think he felt comfortable with five minutes." "If he could put three or four" "Comfortable with five minutes." "If he could put three or four more minutes on me, it was" "If he could put three or four more minutes on me, it was absolute." "More minutes on me, it was absolute." "Canhestayawayofthewhole" "Absolute." "Canhestayawayofthewhole field in the tour de france and" "Canhestayawayofthewhole field in the tour de france and come home as the stage winner?" "Millargoes,andpensecgoes ." "If miller wants more points, he" "Is gonna have to take on" "Pensec... robertmillar'steam,afew other teams just started setting the tempo, which i go, "okay," "Other teams just started setting the tempo, which i go, "okay, this is great."" "The tempo, which i go, "okay, this is great." So,what'sthis,the group" "This is great." So,what'sthis,the group coming up on him?" "So,what'sthis,the group coming up on him?" "And would you believe this?" "Coming up on him?" "And would you believe this?" "This group has flown out of" "And would you believe this?" "This group has flown out of nowhere." "This group has flown out of nowhere." "The climbers have come down on" "Nowhere." "The climbers have come down on hinault, and all of a sudden," "The climbers have come down on hinault, and all of a sudden, this tour de france is one again" "Hinault, and all of a sudden, this tour de france is one again an open race." "This tour de france is one again an open race." "Icameup righttohim." "An open race." "Icameup righttohim." "I said, "how you feeling?"" "Icameup righttohim." "I said, "how you feeling?" He grunted, "ugh," like," "I said, "how you feeling?" He grunted, "ugh," like, "not good."" "He grunted, "ugh," like, "not good." Andishinaultbeginningto" ""Not good." Andishinaultbeginningto lose ground here?" "Andishinaultbeginningto lose ground here?" "And hinault is cracking." "Lose ground here?" "And hinault is cracking." "Hewascrushedfromthe" "And hinault is cracking." "Hewascrushedfromthe previous effort." "Hewascrushedfromthe previous effort." "Iaskedandyhampstento" "Previous effort." "Iaskedandyhampstento attack at the bottom." "Iaskedandyhampstento attack at the bottom." "I like it when there's a setup," "Attack at the bottom." "I like it when there's a setup, where you get somebody to attack" "I like it when there's a setup, where you get somebody to attack and then everybody chases, then" "Where you get somebody to attack and then everybody chases, then i counterattack." "And then everybody chases, then i counterattack." "Thistourde france,ireally" "I counterattack." "Thistourde france,ireally believe " " And hampsten's going" "Thistourde france,ireally believe " " And hampsten's going off the back!" "Believe " " And hampsten's going off the back!" "Beforehecameup, the team" "Off the back!" "Beforehecameup, the team car, with paul koechli driving" "Beforehecameup, the team car, with paul koechli driving it, comes up, and paul says, you" "Car, with paul koechli driving it, comes up, and paul says, you know, "how do you feel?"" "It, comes up, and paul says, you know, "how do you feel?" "Oh, i'm okay." "Know, "how do you feel?" "Oh, i'm okay." "I'll try to help greg."" ""Oh, i'm okay." "I'll try to help greg." "No, no, don't help greg." "I'll try to help greg." "No, no, don't help greg." "They're fighting over who gets" ""No, no, don't help greg." "They're fighting over who gets to win." "They're fighting over who gets to win." "Well,that'samarvelous" "To win." "Well,that'samarvelous attack by andy hampsten." "Well,that'samarvelous attack by andy hampsten." ""Ourjobis la vieclaire" "Attack by andy hampsten." ""Ourjobis la vieclaire wins this race." ""Ourjobis la vieclaire wins this race." "The best thing is if you take" "Wins this race." "The best thing is if you take the jersey."" "The best thing is if you take the jersey." Yeah,becausegregwould" "The jersey." Yeah,becausegregwould never attack, never." "Yeah,becausegregwould never attack, never." "He was always afraid to attack." "Never attack, never." "He was always afraid to attack." "There'sthistiny,little" "He was always afraid to attack." "There'sthistiny,little flash of "oh, my god, i could" "There'sthistiny,little flash of "oh, my god, i could win the tour de france."" "Flash of "oh, my god, i could win the tour de france." Whyshouldn'the winthe" "Win the tour de france." Whyshouldn'the winthe  tour?" "Whyshouldn'the winthe  tour?" "If ever he would have won and" "Tour?" "If ever he would have won and took the yellow jersey " " Pbht." "If ever he would have won and took the yellow jersey " " Pbht." "Why not?" "Took the yellow jersey " " Pbht." "Why not?" "Andthenthecrushingreality" "Why not?" "Andthenthecrushingreality of [chuckling] "thanks, paul," "Andthenthecrushingreality of [chuckling] "thanks, paul, but i just don't have the" "Of [chuckling] "thanks, paul, but i just don't have the energy."" "But i just don't have the energy." Andgreglemondcomesup" "Energy." Andgreglemondcomesup andy hampsten here." "Andgreglemondcomesup andy hampsten here." "Noamericanhaseverwona" "Andy hampsten here." "Noamericanhaseverwona  stage in the mountains before in" "Noamericanhaseverwona  stage in the mountains before in the tour de france." "Stage in the mountains before in the tour de france." "And it looks to me as though" "The tour de france." "And it looks to me as though hampsten may be cracking here." "And it looks to me as though hampsten may be cracking here." "There's the kite in the sky." "Hampsten may be cracking here." "There's the kite in the sky." "Now look at the applause for" "There's the kite in the sky." "Now look at the applause for greg lemond." "Now look at the applause for greg lemond." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Every one of the likely" "Contenders for this tour this" "Year has attacked today, and" "They've been beaten fair and" "Square by the american." "From the..." "lemond punches the" "Sky." "Six hours." "Hinault deserves to hold on to" "That yellow jersey, and he's" "Gonna gain on the climb." "Hewentfordoubleornothing" "And ended up with nothing." "Hewillstayinyellowby" "Less than one minute." "Okay,i gotbackmostofthe" "Time, and now we're back to" "Ground zero." "Thefirstamericaneverto" "Win a mountain stage in the" "Tour de france, and he looks... whatwastheatmospherelike" "In the hotel that night?" "Thatnightwaswretched." "You could hear a pin drop." "Therewaszerotalk,andthe" "Tension was " " It was very high" "Tension." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Iusedto thinkthatwhen" "Hinault was retired, he would" "Go into politics." "I used to think that about lance armstrong, too, but i don't think that's gonna happen." "Lance armstrong, too, but i don't think that's gonna happen." "Here was hinault, a good-Looking" "Don't think that's gonna happen." "Here was hinault, a good-Looking guy, a french hero, and i" "Here was hinault, a good-Looking guy, a french hero, and i thought he would have a big" "Guy, a french hero, and i thought he would have a big career in politics." "Thought he would have a big career in politics." "And he never showed the" "Career in politics." "And he never showed the slightest interest in it." "And he never showed the slightest interest in it." "He didn't care about other" "Slightest interest in it." "He didn't care about other people." "He didn't care about other people." "Everything he ever did was" "People." "Everything he ever did was self-Centered." "Everything he ever did was self-Centered." "Therealquestion,ithink," "Self-Centered." "Therealquestion,ithink, for all the teammates is like," "Therealquestion,ithink, for all the teammates is like, "well, what kind of team do we" "For all the teammates is like, "well, what kind of team do we have?"" ""Well, what kind of team do we have?" You know, do i want to be on a" "Have?" You know, do i want to be on a team where the teammates are" "You know, do i want to be on a team where the teammates are fighting?" "Team where the teammates are fighting?" "Well,i supposeit hadtobe" "Fighting?" "Well,i supposeit hadtobe the americans that did it, but" "Well,i supposeit hadtobe the americans that did it, but the first female masseuse on the" "The americans that did it, but the first female masseuse on the tour de france, shelley, has a" "The first female masseuse on the tour de france, shelley, has a real job on her hands." "Tour de france, shelley, has a real job on her hands." "She has to fight off the men and" "Real job on her hands." "She has to fight off the men and look after the riders." "She has to fight off the men and look after the riders." "Ihaveto do themassage" "Look after the riders." "Ihaveto do themassage after the race, keep their" "Ihaveto do themassage after the race, keep their morale up, keep them going," "After the race, keep their morale up, keep them going, order the meals, prep them" "Morale up, keep them going, order the meals, prep them before the race, a little" "Order the meals, prep them before the race, a little shake-Out, a little morale" "Before the race, a little shake-Out, a little morale boost." "Shake-Out, a little morale boost." "I go to the feeding." "Boost." "I go to the feeding." "Greg would come over sometimes" "I go to the feeding." "Greg would come over sometimes to our hotel in the evening." "Greg would come over sometimes to our hotel in the evening." "We just saw our friend under" "To our hotel in the evening." "We just saw our friend under extreme duress." "We just saw our friend under extreme duress." "La vie claire was a team that" "Extreme duress." "La vie claire was a team that didn't have domestiques." "La vie claire was a team that didn't have domestiques." "It was just all these top" "Didn't have domestiques." "It was just all these top riders." "And paul koechli was allowing" "These guys to battle amongst" "Themselves." "If hinault is on another team, it would have been a whole different kettle of fish." "It would have been a whole different kettle of fish." "But it was like in-House" "Different kettle of fish." "But it was like in-House fighting." "But it was like in-House fighting." "It was like a scary movie." "Fighting." "It was like a scary movie." "Duringthetour,tapiewas" "It was like a scary movie." "Duringthetour,tapiewas asked on the news if it wouldn't" "Duringthetour,tapiewas asked on the news if it wouldn't be better for lemond to win the" "Asked on the news if it wouldn't be better for lemond to win the tour so tapie could get added" "Be better for lemond to win the tour so tapie could get added business exposure in the states." "Hinault'sgonnamaybewin the  record six tours." "Nobody else has done it." "Record six tours." "Nobody else has done it." "Most likely, they had a private" "Nobody else has done it." "Most likely, they had a private meeting, tapie saying, "screw" "Most likely, they had a private meeting, tapie saying, "screw lemond." "Meeting, tapie saying, "screw lemond." "It's gonna be his first tour." "Lemond." "It's gonna be his first tour." "This could be your record six."" "It's gonna be his first tour." "This could be your record six." Didbernardtapiehave" "This could be your record six." Didbernardtapiehave anything to do with team" "Didbernardtapiehave anything to do with team tactics, team strategy?" "Anything to do with team tactics, team strategy?" "Mm... tactics, team strategy?" "Mm..." "i would say no." "Mm..." "i would say no." "But he tried [chuckles]" "I would say no." "But he tried [chuckles] definitely." "But he tried [chuckles] definitely." "Involved?" "Definitely." "Involved?" "Yes, the boss gets involved." "Involved?" "Yes, the boss gets involved." "And in the cycling world, that" "Yes, the boss gets involved." "And in the cycling world, that means sticking your head out of" "And in the cycling world, that means sticking your head out of a moving vehicle to shout at" "Means sticking your head out of a moving vehicle to shout at your coach." "A moving vehicle to shout at your coach." "Howinvolvedwas" "Your coach." "Howinvolvedwas bernard tapie in the tactics of" "Howinvolvedwas bernard tapie in the tactics of what might happen on each stage?" "Ihadameetingwith tapie, and i just said, "tapie, i'm gone." "And i just said, "tapie, i'm gone." "I'm walking away today."" "Gone." "I'm walking away today." We'reaskinggreg,"youknow ," "I'm walking away today." We'reaskinggreg,"youknow , you had a meeting with tapie " "We'reaskinggreg,"youknow , you had a meeting with tapie -- What did he say?"" "You had a meeting with tapie -- What did he say?" "Oh, he's not gonna do anything." "What did he say?" "Oh, he's not gonna do anything." "He blah, blah, blah, blah." ""Oh, he's not gonna do anything." "He blah, blah, blah, blah." "He loves it." "He blah, blah, blah, blah." "He loves it." "You know, the press are eating" "He loves it." "You know, the press are eating it up." "You know, the press are eating it up." "He's getting what he wants."" "It up." "He's getting what he wants." Andtapie,again,hewas" "He's getting what he wants." Andtapie,again,hewas smooth and, "greg, you know," "Andtapie,again,hewas smooth and, "greg, you know, just stay, and it'll work out."" "Smooth and, "greg, you know, just stay, and it'll work out." He was " "Just stay, and it'll work out." He was -- Hewasgood." "He was -- Hewasgood." "Thistourde franceisnow" "Hewasgood." "Thistourde franceisnow arriving at phase three." "Thistourde franceisnow arriving at phase three." "We had the time trial at nantes," "Arriving at phase three." "We had the time trial at nantes, where hinault put in a strong" "We had the time trial at nantes, where hinault put in a strong challenge and since then has" "Where hinault put in a strong challenge and since then has taken the lead as yellow jersey." "Challenge and since then has taken the lead as yellow jersey." "We've then had that marvelous" "Taken the lead as yellow jersey." "We've then had that marvelous time in the pyrenees where the" "We've then had that marvelous time in the pyrenees where the climbers came out and really" "Time in the pyrenees where the climbers came out and really took on hinault and broke him." "Climbers came out and really took on hinault and broke him." "And now after a couple of days" "Took on hinault and broke him." "And now after a couple of days of quietness and peaceful" "And now after a couple of days of quietness and peaceful solitude in the valleys of" "Of quietness and peaceful solitude in the valleys of orange, we're now going into the" "Solitude in the valleys of orange, we're now going into the alps for what will be two most" "Orange, we're now going into the alps for what will be two most memorable days." "Alps for what will be two most memorable days." "Today we've got three climbs " "Memorable days." "Today we've got three climbs -- The col de vars, the" "Today we've got three climbs -- The col de vars, the col d'izoard, and the" "The col de vars, the col d'izoard, and the col du granon." "Col d'izoard, and the col du granon." "Three brutes, believe me, where" "Col du granon." "Three brutes, believe me, where the riders will have to come out" "Three brutes, believe me, where the riders will have to come out and fight." "The riders will have to come out and fight." "And millar, lemond, hinault, and" "And fight." "And millar, lemond, hinault, and zimmermann are going to have to" "And millar, lemond, hinault, and zimmermann are going to have to put on a great display." "Lemondthismorningstarted out 34 seconds down on hinault." "But the news we've heard is that" "Out 34 seconds down on hinault." "But the news we've heard is that hinault has been dropped, and" "But the news we've heard is that hinault has been dropped, and he's... hinault has been dropped, and he's..." "itwasawarethathewas" "He's..." "itwasawarethathewas dropped, but it wasn't certain" "Itwasawarethathewas dropped, but it wasn't certain how far behind." "Theybothknownow that" "They've left hinault way" "Behind... andatthetop ,idecidedto" "Attack on the descent." "Zimmermannkeepshisrhythm." "Lemond keeps nicely tucked" "Inside, and it measures his" "Effort, too." "Iwentawaywith" "Urs zimmermann." "If hinault's having a bad day," "You know, i've got to take it" "When i can." "Greglemondwilltakethe" "Yellow jersey for the first time" "In his career because zimmermann" "Has been pulling greg lemond to" "A clear lead in the" "Tour de france." "Therewasaquietrelief." ""Uh-Huh." "There you are, hinault." "Mm."" "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Thatmusthavebeenagreat" "Day, wearing the yellow jersey" "In the tour de france." "Nothingwasreallygreatfrom" "That point on." "The tension was there, and i" "Couldn't celebrate it." "I think it didn't really mean" "Anything until i got it to the" "Finish line." "Andgreglemondhas donewhat" "He always said he would do " "Lead this year's tour de france." "Iwasso excited.[Laughs]" "Imean,it wasgood." "I mean, it was " "Well,itwaskindoflike" "Greg finally like " " Maybe he" "Could pull this out." "Bernard hinault is like a time bomb ticking." "The only question now is, "when" "Bomb ticking." "The only question now is, "when is he set to go off?"" "The only question now is, "when is he set to go off?" Andhestartsattackingon" "Is he set to go off?" Andhestartsattackingon the downhill of the galibier," "Andhestartsattackingon the downhill of the galibier, which, again, is kind of like" "The downhill of the galibier, which, again, is kind of like this, "what is he doing?"" "Which, again, is kind of like this, "what is he doing?" Ina way,he couldn'thelp" "This, "what is he doing?" Ina way,he couldn'thelp himself." "Ina way,he couldn'thelp himself." "God, it sounds like a serial" "Himself." "God, it sounds like a serial killer, huh?" "Koechlicomesup -- "You can't ride with zimmermann." I don't want to use a" "Can't ride with zimmermann." I don't want to use a four-Letter word, but i'm like," "I don't want to use a four-Letter word, but i'm like, "[bleep] you."" "Four-Letter word, but i'm like, "[bleep] you." [Chuckles]no." ""[Bleep] you." [Chuckles]no." "He was not riding." "[Chuckles]no." "He was not riding." "He was doing nothing." "He was not riding." "He was doing nothing." "And he asked me, "what shall i" "He was doing nothing." "And he asked me, "what shall i do?"" "And he asked me, "what shall i do?" I told him, "do you want to win" "Do?" I told him, "do you want to win the tour?"" "I told him, "do you want to win the tour?" He said, "yes, i want to win" "The tour?" He said, "yes, i want to win the tour."" "He said, "yes, i want to win the tour." I told him, "so drop zimmermann." "The tour." I told him, "so drop zimmermann." "Catch hinault."" "I told him, "so drop zimmermann." "Catch hinault." Isprintedas hardasi" "Catch hinault." Isprintedas hardasi  could, and i passed zimmermann." "Isprintedas hardasi  could, and i passed zimmermann." "And i could hear him trying to" "Could, and i passed zimmermann." "And i could hear him trying to keep up." "And i could hear him trying to keep up." "[Breathingheavily]" "Keep up." "[Breathingheavily] andi hadaright-Handturn ." "[Breathingheavily] andi hadaright-Handturn ." "I could hear him almost sliding" "Andi hadaright-Handturn ." "I could hear him almost sliding out and crashing." "I could hear him almost sliding out and crashing." "It'sprobablytheonlytime i" "Out and crashing." "It'sprobablytheonlytime i saw greg attacking as hard as" "It'sprobablytheonlytime i saw greg attacking as hard as he could because it was not" "Saw greg attacking as hard as he could because it was not counterattacking this time." "He could because it was not counterattacking this time." "He had to attack zimmermann," "Counterattacking this time." "He had to attack zimmermann, get rid of him." "He had to attack zimmermann, get rid of him." "Ihadaboutasix-Mile" "Get rid of him." "Ihadaboutasix-Mile descent." "Ihadaboutasix-Mile descent." "When i came out of the descent" "Descent." "When i came out of the descent on the valley, i came right up." "When i came out of the descent on the valley, i came right up." "And hinault looked back at me," "On the valley, i came right up." "And hinault looked back at me, and he's like " " He did a" "And hinault looked back at me, and he's like " " He did a double take." "And he's like " " He did a double take." "And i said, "come on." "Double take." "And i said, "come on." "Let's go." "Zimmerman's behind."" "Greglemond,theyellow" "Jersey, and bernard hinault are" "Now three minutes ahead of the" "Next riders on the road, as we" "Climb the col de la croix fer." "Idroppedeverybody,and" "Hinault was getting dropped." "He was coming off my wheel." "I could see it." "He's like, "wait." "Slow down." "My knee hurts."" "He's like, "wait." "Slow down." "My knee hurts." And " "My knee hurts." And -- Sonowhe 'saskingyou " "And -- Sonowhe 'saskingyou -- Toslowdown,yeah." "Sonowhe 'saskingyou -- Toslowdown,yeah." ""Let me ride at my tempo." "Toslowdown,yeah." ""Let me ride at my tempo." "You sit on my wheel." ""Let me ride at my tempo." "You sit on my wheel." "This way, if zimmermann comes" "You sit on my wheel." "This way, if zimmermann comes up, you'll be fresh to counter."" "This way, if zimmermann comes up, you'll be fresh to counter." But that's not why he did it." "Up, you'll be fresh to counter." But that's not why he did it." "[ Laughs ]" "But that's not why he did it." "[ Laughs ] he was wanting to set his own" "[ Laughs ] he was wanting to set his own pace because he was getting" "He was wanting to set his own pace because he was getting dropped." "Pace because he was getting dropped." "There'szimmermann,the" "Dropped." "There'szimmermann,the champion... so, zimmermann off in pursuit of the two leaders." "Peopletalkaboutcyclingas" "The two leaders." "Peopletalkaboutcyclingas being this endurance sport of" "Peopletalkaboutcyclingas being this endurance sport of suffering and pain, but you used" "Being this endurance sport of suffering and pain, but you used the word several times " "Suffering and pain, but you used the word several times -- It'sbull[bleep][chuckles]" "The word several times -- It'sbull[bleep][chuckles] you'veusedthewordseveral" "It'sbull[bleep][chuckles] you'veusedthewordseveral times, "game."" "You'veusedthewordseveral times, "game." Ofcourse." "Times, "game." Ofcourse." "You can suffer as much as you" "Ofcourse." "You can suffer as much as you want." "You can suffer as much as you want." "If you do the wrong thing at the" "Want." "If you do the wrong thing at the wrong time, you will never win" "If you do the wrong thing at the wrong time, you will never win the race." "Wrong time, you will never win the race." "You cannot compensate your" "The race." "You cannot compensate your stupidness by suffering more." "You cannot compensate your stupidness by suffering more." "First you must begin to do the" "Stupidness by suffering more." "First you must begin to do the right thing at the right moment." "First you must begin to do the right thing at the right moment." "That's the art of cycling." "Right thing at the right moment." "That's the art of cycling." "Buthaveyoueverseen" "That's the art of cycling." "Buthaveyoueverseen  crowds like that?" "Youknow,andthentheattack going into alpe d'huez, just hammering nails in everyone" "Going into alpe d'huez, just hammering nails in everyone else's coffin." "WhenI 'alped 'huezwasfirst climbed in 1952 " " Road to absolute nowhere " " It became" "Climbed in 1952 " " Road to absolute nowhere " " It became the most popular mountain in the" "Absolute nowhere " " It became the most popular mountain in the world of cycling, at 21 bends." "The most popular mountain in the world of cycling, at 21 bends." "Nowadays, every bend is named." "World of cycling, at 21 bends." "Nowadays, every bend is named." "Every bend tells you the new" "Nowadays, every bend is named." "Every bend tells you the new elevation you arrived at." "Every bend tells you the new elevation you arrived at." "It only climbs up to just over" "Elevation you arrived at." "It only climbs up to just over 5,000 feet, but it does it in" "It only climbs up to just over 5,000 feet, but it does it in 9 miles." "5,000 feet, but it does it in 9 miles." "And it's really steep." "9 miles." "And it's really steep." "There's no other climb like it" "And it's really steep." "There's no other climb like it in the world." "Nearlyeverybodycomestosee this, and i think everybody in the crowd here today knows that" "This, and i think everybody in the crowd here today knows that this is one of the most historic" "The crowd here today knows that this is one of the most historic tour de frances because you've" "This is one of the most historic tour de frances because you've got an american that's going to" "Tour de frances because you've got an american that's going to possibly win the yellow jersey" "Got an american that's going to possibly win the yellow jersey for the first time." "Possibly win the yellow jersey for the first time." "Tapiecameup andsaid,"you" "For the first time." "Tapiecameup andsaid,"you  know, the race is over." "Tapiecameup andsaid,"you  know, the race is over." "This is hinault's last race." "Know, the race is over." "This is hinault's last race." "Why don't you guys come hand in" "This is hinault's last race." "Why don't you guys come hand in hand, give him the stage?" "Why don't you guys come hand in hand, give him the stage?" "You're gonna be running the" "Hand, give him the stage?" "You're gonna be running the tour."" "You're gonna be running the tour." But symbolically, they wanted" "Tour." But symbolically, they wanted him to lead the last climb." "But symbolically, they wanted him to lead the last climb." "I let him lead because he's the" "Him to lead the last climb." "I let him lead because he's the hero." "I let him lead because he's the hero." "Everybody's wanting hinault to" "Hero." "Everybody's wanting hinault to win." "Everybody's wanting hinault to win." "And i had no idea if there was a" "Win." "And i had no idea if there was a crazy fan of hinault's that" "And i had no idea if there was a crazy fan of hinault's that might want to punch me and take" "Crazy fan of hinault's that might want to punch me and take me down." "Might want to punch me and take me down." "I could lose the tour." "Me down." "I could lose the tour." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "That's a pretty amazing crowd." "Paul,thishasbeena tour de france in the greatest" "Paul,thishasbeena tour de france in the greatest tradition of the event." "Tour de france in the greatest tradition of the event." "We thought these days had gone." "Tradition of the event." "We thought these days had gone." "And an arm goes 'round hinault." "We thought these days had gone." "And an arm goes 'round hinault." "What has greg lemond said to" "And an arm goes 'round hinault." "What has greg lemond said to bernard?" "What has greg lemond said to bernard?" "Just smiles." "Bernard?" "Just smiles." "This is unbelievable." "Just smiles." "This is unbelievable." "Iwishidid knowwhat you" "This is unbelievable." "Iwishidid knowwhat you were saying." "Iwishidid knowwhat you were saying." "Astheycomeintothefinish," "Were saying." "Astheycomeintothefinish, i'm going to ask kathy lemond to" "Astheycomeintothefinish, i'm going to ask kathy lemond to say something alongside me here." "I'm going to ask kathy lemond to say something alongside me here." "She can tell us " " What's it" "Say something alongside me here." "She can tell us " " What's it like now to see bernard hinault" "She can tell us " " What's it like now to see bernard hinault and greg come up the mountain," "Like now to see bernard hinault and greg come up the mountain, kathy?" "And greg come up the mountain, kathy?" "It'sfabulous." "Kathy?" "It'sfabulous." "I'm glad to see they're such" "It'sfabulous." "I'm glad to see they're such good friends still." "I'm glad to see they're such good friends still." "[ Chuckles ] you can tell." "Good friends still." "[ Chuckles ] you can tell." "Whatdoyouthinkgreg said" "[ Chuckles ] you can tell." "Whatdoyouthinkgreg said  to bernard then?" "Whatdoyouthinkgreg said  to bernard then?" ""Youwin."" "To bernard then?" ""Youwin." "Youwin."" ""Youwin." "Youwin." Hesaid,"yougoahead." ""Youwin." Hesaid,"yougoahead." "You win." "You did everything."" "Hesaid,"yougoahead." "You win." "You did everything." Well,let'swaitand see if" "You win." "You did everything." Well,let'swaitand see if what kathy lemond says " "Well,let'swaitand see if what kathy lemond says -- Has he told bernard " "What kathy lemond says -- Has he told bernard -- Iknewit ." "Iknewit." "Has he told bernard -- Iknewit ." "Iknewit." "All right. [ Laughs ]" "Allright,thereweare, the" "First time i've ever seen it," "Two men coming up the" "Tour de france, and they'll do" "It together." "Allright!" "Thecheersareenormous,and" "You can hear kathy shouting," ""All right!"" "Greg lemond and bernard hinault have won..." "gorgeous." "Gorgeous." "Have won..." "gorgeous." "Gorgeous." "...thetourde france" "Gorgeous." "Gorgeous." "...thetourde france together this year." "...Thetourde france together this year." "Somovingto seeit." "Together this year." "Somovingto seeit." "One of the glorious moments in" "Somovingto seeit." "One of the glorious moments in sports." "One of the glorious moments in sports." "...momentingreglemond's" "Sports." "...momentingreglemond's life, in kathy's life, too, ...Momentingreglemond's life, in kathy's life, too, and certainly bernard hinault" "Life, in kathy's life, too, and certainly bernard hinault has... and certainly bernard hinault has..." "thattreadup" "Has..." "thattreadup  I'alpe d'huez " " It has nothing" "Thattreadup  I'alpe d'huez " " It has nothing to do with cycling strategy." "L'alpe d'huez " " It has nothing to do with cycling strategy." "It's a propaganda show." "To do with cycling strategy." "It's a propaganda show." "The puppet master was tapie." "It's a propaganda show." "The puppet master was tapie." "Don't think the gesture at the" "The puppet master was tapie." "Don't think the gesture at the end, when they hold hands, is a" "Don't think the gesture at the end, when they hold hands, is a gesture as a friendship." "End, when they hold hands, is a gesture as a friendship." "It's a gesture of a deal struck," "Gesture as a friendship." "It's a gesture of a deal struck, and you're going to show the" "It's a gesture of a deal struck, and you're going to show the rest of the world what the" "And you're going to show the rest of the world what the deal is." "Rest of the world what the deal is." "And the deal is, "you win this" "Deal is." "And the deal is, "you win this stage, you win the tour."" "And the deal is, "you win this stage, you win the tour." Congratulations,butfirstof" "Stage, you win the tour." Congratulations,butfirstof all, you might like to say hello" "Congratulations,butfirstof all, you might like to say hello to kathy." "All, you might like to say hello to kathy." "It's been a long time." "To kathy." "It's been a long time." "Hello,kathy." "It's been a long time." "Hello,kathy." "Hi,honey." "Hello,kathy." "Hi,honey." "Areyouhappy?" "Hi,honey." "Areyouhappy?" "Very." "Areyouhappy?" "Very." "[ Both laugh ]" "Very." "[ Both laugh ] ithoughtthey'dmadeup." "[ Both laugh ] ithoughtthey'dmadeup." "It seemed like greg would win" "Ithoughtthey'dmadeup." "It seemed like greg would win the tour de france." "It seemed like greg would win the tour de france." "That was like the end of the" "The tour de france." "That was like the end of the war." "That was like the end of the war." "Who else was gonna beat you?" "[Speakingfrench]" "[ Indistinct conversations ]" ""What?"" "I wish he would have said that" "At the bottom of I'alpe d'huez." "I would have just loved to have," "I guess, what you call a mano a" "Mano and just attacked each" "Other." "He would have been dropped" "In the first "k."" "In his mind, he's going, "i am only two minutes behind." "Screw it." "I'm gonna go for it."" "Ididn'tgetit, that somebody had been in this exquisite moment." "I mean, he ruined it." "He ruined everything with his" "Stupid, casual comment." "It was more than heartbreaking to see something that glorious just get thrown away." "Thisiswhereitgot paranoid." ""Holy [bleep]" "Paranoid." ""Holy [bleep] this guy can't stick to a" ""Holy [bleep] this guy can't stick to a word he says."" "Youhave,on theone hand,a" "Very anxious guy because greg" "Was, you know, and he needed" "That anxiety." "It was his motivation." "It kept him going." "And at the same time, you had the badger, down to earth, both feet on the ground, saying," "The badger, down to earth, both feet on the ground, saying, "yes," while stating the" "Feet on the ground, saying, "yes," while stating the obvious, "of course i could."" ""Yes," while stating the obvious, "of course i could." My promise was to help" "Obvious, "of course i could." My promise was to help greg lemond win the" "My promise was to help greg lemond win the tour de france." "Greg lemond win the tour de france." "My promise was never to make it" "Tour de france." "My promise was never to make it easy for him, you see?" "[Speakingfrench]" "Thatexplainstheattack" "Going into saint-étienne" "The day before the time trial." "It'sdifficultto say." "It's difficult for anybody to know what's going on in the" "It's difficult for anybody to know what's going on in the minds of these two riders, if" "Know what's going on in the minds of these two riders, if they are still enemies." "Minds of these two riders, if they are still enemies." "Nobody can definitely say who's" "They are still enemies." "Nobody can definitely say who's going to win in paris on sunday." "Nobody can definitely say who's going to win in paris on sunday." "Andit'sbauerand iwho" "Going to win in paris on sunday." "Andit'sbauerand iwho chased down our own teammate," "Andit'sbauerand iwho chased down our own teammate, which is the only time i've ever" "Chased down our own teammate, which is the only time i've ever done that." "Which is the only time i've ever done that." "You know, we had to go hard to" "Done that." "You know, we had to go hard to bring him back." "You know, we had to go hard to bring him back." "I mean, i felt terrible chasing" "Bring him back." "I mean, i felt terrible chasing my hero, but absolutely no" "I mean, i felt terrible chasing my hero, but absolutely no qualms about, "well, this is the" "My hero, but absolutely no qualms about, "well, this is the right thing to do."" "Qualms about, "well, this is the right thing to do." Thatnight,ilearned" "Right thing to do." Thatnight,ilearned bernard vallet, who was a" "Thatnight,ilearned bernard vallet, who was a teammate of hinault's before," "Bernard vallet, who was a teammate of hinault's before, had asked hinault, "do you want" "Teammate of hinault's before, had asked hinault, "do you want me to take lemond out?"" "Had asked hinault, "do you want me to take lemond out?" Literally grab my handlebars," "Me to take lemond out?" Literally grab my handlebars, take me out, crash me." "Literally grab my handlebars, take me out, crash me." "Theysay80 %of theriders" "Take me out, crash me." "Theysay80 %of theriders want hinault to win." "Theysay80 %of theriders want hinault to win." "There's a nasty hint that lemond" "Want hinault to win." "There's a nasty hint that lemond could be nobbled." "There's a nasty hint that lemond could be nobbled." "And lemond said, "if they want" "Could be nobbled." "And lemond said, "if they want to crash me, i'd rather they" "And lemond said, "if they want to crash me, i'd rather they tell me now." "To crash me, i'd rather they tell me now." "I'd rather give the race to" "Tell me now." "I'd rather give the race to them."" "I'd rather give the race to them." Jacquesgoddetwasthe" "Them." Jacquesgoddetwasthe  organizer/president of the" "Jacquesgoddetwasthe  organizer/president of the tour de france for many years." "Organizer/president of the tour de france for many years." "He came up." "Tour de france for many years." "He came up." "He said, "greg, i'm really proud" "He came up." "He said, "greg, i'm really proud that an american could win." "He said, "greg, i'm really proud that an american could win." "I think it's very important for" "That an american could win." "I think it's very important for the sport." "I think it's very important for the sport." "But be careful." "The sport." "But be careful." "Be careful," he said." "But be careful." "Be careful," he said." ""There are a lot of people that" "Be careful," he said." ""There are a lot of people that want hinault to win." ""There are a lot of people that want hinault to win." "And that's when he said, "watch" "Want hinault to win." "And that's when he said, "watch your food." "And that's when he said, "watch your food." "Watch your water bottles, your" "Your food." "Watch your water bottles, your mechanic, your bike."" "Andthenhe said,"ipromise" "You i will do everything in my" "Power to make sure the race is" "Fair."" "And we were like, "oh, my god." That'swhenwe 'relike, "holy [bleep]"" "That'swhenwe 'relike, "holy [bleep]" i never thought of him that way." ""Holy [bleep]" i never thought of him that way." "He'sjustkillinghimselfto" "I never thought of him that way." "He'sjustkillinghimselfto win this thing by himself with" "He'sjustkillinghimselfto win this thing by himself with no help." "Win this thing by himself with no help." "And i don't know what to say." "No help." "And i don't know what to say." "Greg's dad and i went, and we" "And i don't know what to say." "Greg's dad and i went, and we bought all the food greg ate," "Greg's dad and i went, and we bought all the food greg ate, everything." "Bought all the food greg ate, everything." "Only greg's dad touched his" "Everything." "Only greg's dad touched his food." "Only greg's dad touched his food." "We didn't take one bite of" "Food." "We didn't take one bite of anything from the team." "We didn't take one bite of anything from the team." "I just feel bad for him, that" "Anything from the team." "I just feel bad for him, that he's all alone." "[ Exhales sharply ]" "[ Indistinct chanting ]" "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Thoughi wasleadingthe time trial, going into a turn, it was a very hot day." "Trial, going into a turn, it was a very hot day." "You could almost see that the" "A very hot day." "You could almost see that the oil was there." "You could almost see that the oil was there." "Lemondhascrashedona tight" "Oil was there." "Lemondhascrashedona tight turn and is in a panic." "...Abouta crash." "Wewereallprimed." "We didn't know where it was" "Gonna come from." "What crash?" "Was there a crash with greg?" "No!" "No." "Kent." "No." "Was there a crash with greg?" "No!" "No." "Kent." "No." "Hecrashedbetweenkilometer" "No!" "No." "Kent." "No." "Hecrashedbetweenkilometer 30 and 40." "Hecrashedbetweenkilometer 30 and 40." "Butishe stillriding?" "30 and 40." "Butishe stillriding?" "Wheni crashed,the" "Butishe stillriding?" "Wheni crashed,the handlebars turned over." "Wheni crashed,the handlebars turned over." "The brake is rubbing against the" "Handlebars turned over." "The brake is rubbing against the rim." "The brake is rubbing against the rim." "I rode a kilometer, and i had to" "Rim." "I rode a kilometer, and i had to do a bike switch." "I'm nervous because i figure, at least, i lost a minute or more." "...hasproducedanother" "Least, i lost a minute or more." "...hasproducedanother surprise." "And this is going to put hinault" "With a time of one hour, 15" "Minutes, and 35 seconds." "And that is an absolutely superb" "Time, an average speed of 46" "Kilometers an hour." "We want to see exactly what" "Greg lemond can do." "Well, greg's taking all the" "Risks on this descent now," "Really clipping all the corners" "Here." "Lemond has hardly conceded an" "Inch in this tour de france." "Bernard hinault will undoubtedly" "Be extremely upset." "Lemond has simply proved himself" "To be just too strong for" "The badger." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Followingthatfinaltime" "Trial, even then you must have" "Allowed to think, "i've won the" "Tour de france."" "Well,that'swhenhinaultdid say publicly that it's over." "[ Chuckles ]" "Say publicly that it's over." "[ Chuckles ] and okay." "[ Chuckles ] and okay." "[Speakingfrench]" "Howdidyoufeelwhen you crossed the line on the champs-Ã©lysã©es and you'd become" "Crossed the line on the champs-Ã©lysã©es and you'd become the first american winner of the" "Champs-Ã©lysã©es and you'd become the first american winner of the tour de france?" "The first american winner of the tour de france?" "Um,relief,butnot joy ." "Tour de france?" "Um,relief,butnot joy ." "It was bizarre." "Um,relief,butnot joy ." "It was bizarre." "Andnowtheproudestmoment" "It was bizarre." "Andnowtheproudestmoment for greg lemond." "Andnowtheproudestmoment for greg lemond." "His name in french means "the" "For greg lemond." "His name in french means "the world," and this is the world of" "His name in french means "the world," and this is the world of greg lemond in paris today, the" "World," and this is the world of greg lemond in paris today, the first american ever to pull on" "Greg lemond in paris today, the first american ever to pull on a winner's yellow jersey in the" "First american ever to pull on a winner's yellow jersey in the tour de france." "A winner's yellow jersey in the tour de france." "Youhadjournalistssaying," "Tour de france." "Youhadjournalistssaying, "well, look at the gift that" "Youhadjournalistssaying, "well, look at the gift that hinault gave greg," and if" ""Well, look at the gift that hinault gave greg," and if any " " If " "Hinault gave greg," and if any " " If -- You know, it was the opposite." "Any " " If -- You know, it was the opposite." "It was everything he did to" "You know, it was the opposite." "It was everything he did to screw me, is what he did." "It was everything he did to screw me, is what he did." "Hehasbeenthe mostdominant" "Screw me, is what he did." "Hehasbeenthe mostdominant rider in this year's" "Hehasbeenthe mostdominant rider in this year's tour de france." "An enormous cheer for bernard hinault, the runner-Up in the tour de france." "Bernard hinault, the runner-Up in the tour de france." "And it does appear that they are" "In the tour de france." "And it does appear that they are both great friends now." "Yeah,ofcourse." "He always says that -- "I made greg tougher."" "He always says that -- "I made greg tougher." But he has to say something" "Greg tougher." But he has to say something because everybody knew what he" "But he has to say something because everybody knew what he had done." "Because everybody knew what he had done." "The only person who may not have" "Had done." "The only person who may not have known it was hinault himself." "Wegotatelegramfrom  ronald reagan, the president, and a letter from him." "And greg was invited to the" "White house, so it was pretty" "Big in that sense." "Itwasreallyalandmarkin the history of the tour, an american winning the tour," "The history of the tour, an american winning the tour, because, afterwards, it brought" "American winning the tour, because, afterwards, it brought more and more english speakers" "Because, afterwards, it brought more and more english speakers into the sport of cycling." "More and more english speakers into the sport of cycling." "And lance armstrong, you know," "Into the sport of cycling." "And lance armstrong, you know, god bless him, wouldn't have" "And lance armstrong, you know, god bless him, wouldn't have existed without greg lemond" "God bless him, wouldn't have existed without greg lemond because all of a sudden, the" "Existed without greg lemond because all of a sudden, the fact that greg lemond won the" "Because all of a sudden, the fact that greg lemond won the tour, the world audience of the" "Fact that greg lemond won the tour, the world audience of the tour changed completely." "Tour, the world audience of the tour changed completely." "In' 87,i expectedto have" "Tour changed completely." "In' 87,i expectedto have greg because bernard hinault" "In' 87,i expectedto have greg because bernard hinault stopped." "Unfortunately, i didn't have" "Greg." "He got shot." "There'sturkeyhuntinginthe united states, and turkey hunting is the spring season." "United states, and turkey hunting is the spring season." "I just backed into berry bushes." "Hunting is the spring season." "I just backed into berry bushes." "I was sitting there and i wanted" "I just backed into berry bushes." "I was sitting there and i wanted to look and see where everybody" "I was sitting there and i wanted to look and see where everybody was and when i stood up, my" "To look and see where everybody was and when i stood up, my brother-In-Law happened to be up" "Was and when i stood up, my brother-In-Law happened to be up behind it." "Brother-In-Law happened to be up behind it." "So, he shot at the first thing" "Behind it." "So, he shot at the first thing that moved, and that was me." "So, he shot at the first thing that moved, and that was me." "[ Chuckles ]" "That moved, and that was me." "[ Chuckles ] the crazy thing " " It didn't" "[ Chuckles ] the crazy thing " " It didn't hurt." "The crazy thing " " It didn't hurt." "I didn't know it, but my uncle" "Hurt." "I didn't know it, but my uncle said a stream of blood from my" "I didn't know it, but my uncle said a stream of blood from my neck just pulsating out, a" "Said a stream of blood from my neck just pulsating out, a steady beat." "Neck just pulsating out, a steady beat." "Andtheycalledahelicopter," "Steady beat." "Andtheycalledahelicopter, and the helicopter pilot ended" "Andtheycalledahelicopter, and the helicopter pilot ended up taking him to" "And the helicopter pilot ended up taking him to u.C. Davis medical center." "Up taking him to u.C. Davis medical center." "Yeah,hesavedmylife ." "U.C. Davis medical center." "Yeah,hesavedmylife ." "If i would have had to go by" "Yeah,hesavedmylife ." "If i would have had to go by ambulance, i would have been" "If i would have had to go by ambulance, i would have been dead." "Ambulance, i would have been dead." "I had pellets, about 50 of them," "Dead." "I had pellets, about 50 of them, and probably 20 of them went" "I had pellets, about 50 of them, and probably 20 of them went right through me." "And probably 20 of them went right through me." "And i still have 35 in me, you" "Right through me." "And i still have 35 in me, you know, two in my heart, three in" "And i still have 35 in me, you know, two in my heart, three in my liver." "Know, two in my heart, three in my liver." "Andthere'sno waytheycan" "My liver." "Andthere'sno waytheycan remove them?" "Andthere'sno waytheycan remove them?" "No." "Remove them?" "No." "I have chronic lead poisoning." "No." "I have chronic lead poisoning." "It bothers me. [ Chuckles ]" "I have chronic lead poisoning." "It bothers me. [ Chuckles ] so, the more i ride now at this" "It bothers me. [ Chuckles ] so, the more i ride now at this age, the worse i get." "Youcomebackand raceinthe 1989 tour de france." "Aftertwoyearsofabsolute 1989 tour de france." "Aftertwoyearsofabsolute hell and winning the tour an" "Aftertwoyearsofabsolute hell and winning the tour an underdog, everybody wrote me" "Hell and winning the tour an underdog, everybody wrote me off." "Underdog, everybody wrote me off." "I was racing against a very" "Off." "I was racing against a very strong fignon, who won two" "I was racing against a very strong fignon, who won two tour de frances before that." "Strong fignon, who won two tour de frances before that." "Gregwouldwinastage." "Tour de frances before that." "Gregwouldwinastage." "Fignon would win a stage." "Gregwouldwinastage." "Fignon would win a stage." "Greg would take yellow." "Fignon would win a stage." "Greg would take yellow." "Fignon would take yellow." "Greg would take yellow." "Fignon would take yellow." "It was just " " Every day was a" "Fignon would take yellow." "It was just " " Every day was a great story." "It was just " " Every day was a great story." "And then we got to about four" "Great story." "And then we got to about four days to go, and fignon was now" "And then we got to about four days to go, and fignon was now 50 seconds ahead of greg lemond." "Days to go, and fignon was now 50 seconds ahead of greg lemond." "Daybeforethefinalrace ,he 50 seconds ahead of greg lemond." "Daybeforethefinalrace ,he tapped me on the shoulders and" "Daybeforethefinalrace ,he tapped me on the shoulders and he -- "Congratulations on your" "Tapped me on the shoulders and he -- "Congratulations on your second place."" "He -- "Congratulations on your second place." Now, he and i were teammates," "Second place." Now, he and i were teammates, and the same coach, and that" "Now, he and i were teammates, and the same coach, and that coach told us " " And taught" "And the same coach, and that coach told us " " And taught me " " The race is never over" "Coach told us " " And taught me " " The race is never over until the finish line." "Me " " The race is never over until the finish line." "No matter what, it's never over" "Until the finish line." "No matter what, it's never over till the finish line." "No matter what, it's never over till the finish line." "You never take it for granted." "Till the finish line." "You never take it for granted." "And when he did that, i said," "You never take it for granted." "And when he did that, i said, "uh-Oh." "You've lost the race."" "Atthebeginning,it's" "Advantage fignon." "He will start last, wearing the" "Leader's yellow jersey." "He chases lemond along the" "Course, two minutes back." "He'll know all the way exactly what time greg lemond is doing." "Iprobablyshouldn'tsay" "What time greg lemond is doing." "Iprobablyshouldn'tsay  this." "Iprobablyshouldn'tsay  this." "You wrote your story, and you" "This." "You wrote your story, and you wanted to turn it in quickly and" "You wrote your story, and you wanted to turn it in quickly and then get out of there." "Wanted to turn it in quickly and then get out of there." "Backoverto thebackofthe" "Then get out of there." "Backoverto thebackofthe river seine, as the eiffel tower" "Backoverto thebackofthe river seine, as the eiffel tower is now looming large off the" "River seine, as the eiffel tower is now looming large off the right shoulder of" "Is now looming large off the right shoulder of laurent fignon." "Right shoulder of laurent fignon." "Soi wrotemy story,you" "Laurent fignon." "Soi wrotemy story,you  know -- "Laurent fignon" "Soi wrotemy story,you  know -- "Laurent fignon withstood challenge by" "Know -- "Laurent fignon withstood challenge by greg lemond."" "Withstood challenge by greg lemond." Youcanalmostsee the" "Greg lemond." Youcanalmostsee the  difference in the speed, but" "Youcanalmostsee the  difference in the speed, but it's incredible to watch lemond" "Difference in the speed, but it's incredible to watch lemond here, when you think this man" "It's incredible to watch lemond here, when you think this man has silver pellets in his back" "Here, when you think this man has silver pellets in his back from that shooting accident." "Has silver pellets in his back from that shooting accident." "Itwasfignoncomingupthe" "From that shooting accident." "Itwasfignoncomingupthe champs-Ã©lysã©es." "Itwasfignoncomingupthe champs-Ã©lysã©es." "40-Seconddeficitfor" "Champs-Ã©lysã©es." "40-Seconddeficitfor laurent fignon." "40-Seconddeficitfor laurent fignon." "Everybody'sscreaming,and" "Laurent fignon." "Everybody'sscreaming,and you realize, at some point" "Everybody'sscreaming,and you realize, at some point before he made the turn, he had" "You realize, at some point before he made the turn, he had lost." "Thegapis 48 seconds,phil." "This is the most incredible" "Thing i've ever seen in my life." "Greg!" "Ah!" "26:57... therewasthisuniversalcry" "Of, "oh [bleep]"" "Thecrowdhasrealizedit!" "Laurent fignon has lost the" "Tour de france by 8 seconds!" "[ Cheers and applause ] herewasthisgreatstory dropped in our laps, and all" "Herewasthisgreatstory dropped in our laps, and all anybody could think of was, "i'm" "Dropped in our laps, and all anybody could think of was, "i'm not going home."" "Anybody could think of was, "i'm not going home." Didhewinornot?" "Not going home." Didhewinornot?" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Didhewinornot?" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "Greg!" "[ Indistinct shouting ]" "Greg!" "[ Indistinct shouting ] [ whistle blows ]" "Imean,he reallyisa  champion." "Absolutely a marvelous moment." "Champion." "Absolutely a marvelous moment." "And this one wasn't spoiled." "Absolutely a marvelous moment." "And this one wasn't spoiled." "[ "The star-Spangled banner"" "And this one wasn't spoiled." "[ "The star-Spangled banner" playing ]" "[ "The star-Spangled banner" playing ] ineverknewitaffectedhim" "Playing ] ineverknewitaffectedhim so much, and i've learned stuff" "Ineverknewitaffectedhim so much, and i've learned stuff since then." "So much, and i've learned stuff since then." "In the 20-Plus years after that," "Since then." "In the 20-Plus years after that, he'd never gone to the" "In the 20-Plus years after that, he'd never gone to the champs-Ã©lysã©es." "He'd never gone to the champs-Ã©lysã©es." "In his mind, he would be walking" "Champs-Ã©lysã©es." "In his mind, he would be walking to get the mail, and he'd count," "In his mind, he would be walking to get the mail, and he'd count, "a thousand-One, a thousand-Two," "To get the mail, and he'd count, "a thousand-One, a thousand-Two, a thousand" " Eight seconds." ""A thousand-One, a thousand-Two, a thousand" " Eight seconds." "[Bleep] i lost by eight" "A thousand" " Eight seconds." "[Bleep] i lost by eight seconds."" "[Bleep] i lost by eight seconds." I just said, "hey, laurent," "Seconds." I just said, "hey, laurent, you've won two, now i've won" "I just said, "hey, laurent, you've won two, now i've won two, and we can see next year" "You've won two, now i've won two, and we can see next year who will get the third."" "Two, and we can see next year who will get the third." [ Cheers and applause ]" "Lemond30minutesbehindthe" "Leaders." "He quits the race right there." "By' 92iswhenireally became aware of it." "Some of the riders looked like" "Became aware of it." "Some of the riders looked like it was just a natural" "Some of the riders looked like it was just a natural progression, where they" "It was just a natural progression, where they explained it by weight loss." "Progression, where they explained it by weight loss." "God, you look back at it, and it" "Explained it by weight loss." "God, you look back at it, and it was all lies." "Isawepocomein." "It made phenomenal physiological changes." "It made phenomenal physiological changes." "It could increase blood levels" "Changes." "It could increase blood levels by 20%." "It could increase blood levels by 20%." "I watched individuals and then" "By 20%." "I watched individuals and then groups of individuals and then" "I watched individuals and then groups of individuals and then entire teams mop the floor with" "Groups of individuals and then entire teams mop the floor with me and everyone else who i knew" "Entire teams mop the floor with me and everyone else who i knew wasn't doping." "Me and everyone else who i knew wasn't doping." "[ Cheers and applause ]" "Wasn't doping." "[ Cheers and applause ] armstrong'sshadowdoesloom" "[ Cheers and applause ] armstrong'sshadowdoesloom large." "Armstrong'sshadowdoesloom large." "Sitting in this restaurant, i" "Large." "Sitting in this restaurant, i see his signed jerseys up on the" "Sitting in this restaurant, i see his signed jerseys up on the wall over there." "See his signed jerseys up on the wall over there." "Yeah." "Wall over there." "Yeah." "Every racer's making his" "Yeah." "Every racer's making his choices." "Every racer's making his choices." "Whatwasyourchoice?" "Choices." "Whatwasyourchoice?" "Asfaras doping?" "Whatwasyourchoice?" "Asfaras doping?" "Just never do it." "Asfaras doping?" "Just never do it." "'93,hewonthe world's." "Just never do it." "'93,hewonthe world's." "His mom came up to us to ask for '93,hewonthe world's." "His mom came up to us to ask for advice, her famous question," "His mom came up to us to ask for advice, her famous question, "how do i make my son less of an" "Advice, her famous question, "how do i make my son less of an [bleep]"" ""How do i make my son less of an [bleep]" i said, "i don't know." "[Bleep]" i said, "i don't know." "I can't help you on that one."" "I said, "i don't know." "I can't help you on that one." Youcan'tbe america'stop" "I can't help you on that one." Youcan'tbe america'stop  rider without being called the" "Youcan'tbe america'stop  rider without being called the next greg lemond." "Rider without being called the next greg lemond." "Difference is, one's coming," "Next greg lemond." "Difference is, one's coming, one's going." "Lemond, after 15 years, is" "Finishing out his career." "Armstrong is just beginning." "Whengregleftthe tourin '94, the phone rang, and it was" "Lance, wanting to rent our house" "In belgium." "And he said that greg was finished." "We didn't think you were" "Finished." "We didn't think you were finished." "We didn't think you were finished." "Our house isn't for rent." "Finished." "Our house isn't for rent." "Iwassupportinghis charity," "Our house isn't for rent." "Iwassupportinghis charity, but i had just picked up one" "Iwassupportinghis charity, but i had just picked up one thing after another after 1999," "But i had just picked up one thing after another after 1999, one little hint, one rumor here." "Thing after another after 1999, one little hint, one rumor here." "Lookattheaccelerationof" "One little hint, one rumor here." "Lookattheaccelerationof this, as he chases down those" "Lookattheaccelerationof this, as he chases down those motorbikes." "This, as he chases down those motorbikes." "He is just going faster and" "Motorbikes." "He is just going faster and faster." "He is just going faster and faster." "Youknow,i'mthe only" "Faster." "Youknow,i'mthe only american tour de france winner" "Youknow,i'mthe only american tour de france winner at the time, but of course, who" "American tour de france winner at the time, but of course, who did they call?" "At the time, but of course, who did they call?" "They want a comment about the" "Did they call?" "They want a comment about the american victory, and they call" "They want a comment about the american victory, and they call me." "American victory, and they call me." "Everybody's just going, "man," "Me." "Everybody's just going, "man, this is the most amazing tour" "Everybody's just going, "man, this is the most amazing tour victory," and i'm " " I just" "This is the most amazing tour victory," and i'm " " I just heard the opposite." "Victory," and i'm " " I just heard the opposite." "It's a total fraud." "Heard the opposite." "It's a total fraud." "He's got the support of the" "It's a total fraud." "He's got the support of the cancer community, the sponsors," "He's got the support of the cancer community, the sponsors, fanatic fans, and i knew it" "Cancer community, the sponsors, fanatic fans, and i knew it could be suicide, whatever i" "Fanatic fans, and i knew it could be suicide, whatever i said." "Could be suicide, whatever i said." "I don't know who i said it to," "Said." "I don't know who i said it to, but i said " "I don't know who i said it to, but i said -- Sportsillustrated." "But i said -- Sportsillustrated." ""It'sunbelievable."" "Sportsillustrated." ""It'sunbelievable." That's all i said -- "It's" ""It'sunbelievable." That's all i said -- "It's unbelievable."" "That's all i said -- "It's unbelievable." "Un...be..." "liev...able."" "Unbelievable." "Un...be..." "liev...able." [ Chuckles ]" ""Un...be..." "liev...able." [ Chuckles ] [ conversation in french ]" "Merci." "Thereweregoodthingsabout the old-School cycling." "The champion of hinault's" "The old-School cycling." "The champion of hinault's caliber was just champion," "The champion of hinault's caliber was just champion, an extraordinary athlete." "Caliber was just champion, an extraordinary athlete." "I'm sure greg acknowledges that" "An extraordinary athlete." "I'm sure greg acknowledges that hinault is probably one of the" "I'm sure greg acknowledges that hinault is probably one of the best riders that's ever been," "Hinault is probably one of the best riders that's ever been, and i'm sure hinault feels greg" "Best riders that's ever been, and i'm sure hinault feels greg was one of the most talented" "And i'm sure hinault feels greg was one of the most talented riders he ever came across."