"This script was created by decoding a tv teletext stream to build coloured subtitles" "They're from the police." "ropriate adult." "You're here to assist Mr West." "knew nothing about any of this." "is." "There's something I want" "Has Fred said anything ly about this?" "I can't tell you." "y of confidence." "That's the plan we made" "You can't just drop me without cH00FF00} Yes, I can." "No, you can't, not now." "Out you get." "All right." "I'm coming out I can." "It was a long time ago and I don't m, anyway." "What do you think I am?" "Eh?" "I've got a fucking hairdresser's fternoon." "Don't pull me." "Don't you my arm, girl, or I'll pull on yours." "I'll fucking want." "Bitch!" "Give us your full name." "I just need to take your details." "Yeah." "'I need an exact description 'the last time you saw her.'" "How old was she then?" "And the exact date, please." "Yeah." "When was the last time you saw her?" "How could you have killed Charmaine Mr West?" "No comment." "And I'm DC Carl Kempinsky." "That's a photograph of the remains ather." "How do you feel when you look at it?" "No comment." "Could you please confirm" "'Rose helped you kill Heather, ?" "'" "No comment." "It was thought that a different team, different tactics might speed things up a bit." "So you want me to resume riate adult?" "I'd understand if you said no." "No, I'll do it." "Not because I want any favours." "Sir..." "Mrs Leach is back on board, sir." "Good." "I appreciate it." "He's um...he's coming up ells now." "We're going to Kempley." "ena's remains." "Mrs Leach has agreed to resume te adult." "Well, now, the day already looks" "Go ahead." "Over." "We're on the way to Kempley, over." "(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK)" "(PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOUT AT WEST" "You see all the work here, Fred." "And we still haven't found ins." "Rena's somewhere here." "If Rena's here isn't Charmaine?" "You killed them at the same time." "Charmaine was a child." "t." "We need you to do that, Fred." "t happened." "Are you going to answer r, Fred?" "You'd split up with Rena, you?" "You were living with Rose as with you." "Well, I arranged" "I got a drink in, got her absolutely drove out here and strangled her." "Where was Charmaine?" "n the car." "Rena had given her a lager and I thought, what am I going to do?" "Who's going to tell her that?" "and drove her back to Midland Road ," "Rose was in bed, then I hid Charmaine thinking I'd bury her next day." "So, we need to start searching use as well?" "Correct." "What is it, Fred?" "Why are you looking over there?" "There's something pulling me there." "Anna." "Anna McFall, Fred?" "Anna, who used to look after your with Rena?" "I can feel her now." "I've got to remind you, Fred, der caution." "You don't have to say anything to do so but what you do say n in evidence." "I can feel her presence now." "It's like she's standing beside me." "Did you murder Anna, Fred?" "Did you bury her here?" "You all right, Fred?" "I didn't kill Anna." "You believe me, Janet?" "Anna had my baby." "How could I kill of my life with my baby inside her?" "(WEST SOBS)" "Janet.FFFF00} Janet.{\cH00FFFF} What's {\cHFFFFFF}{\cH00FFFF} your involvement in all of this?" "(ALL TALK AT ONCE)" "I've got nothing to say." "What is the work that h the police, Janet?" "Can't you see the woman's get home?" "Thank you." "Just a quick quote..." "Hi, Mum." "Hi." "How's things?" "Yeah, great fun living e of a siege!" "I'm really sorry about that." "So why are you doing it again?" "GS)" "Tell them to stick it." "Hello?" "Oh, hi, Hazel." "What, now?" "Oh, right." "Don't, Josh." "Mrs Leach, I'll come down with you." "No, it's all right." "She's seems nice." "nice lady." "(DOGS WHIMPER)" "Oh, Janet." "I just wanted to say" "I hope I didn't upset you today." "I thought I'd frightened you off." "What are you doing?" "I can't get through this without you." "That is completely out of order." "Sorry, Janet." "It won't happen again, I swear it." "It's just that this... this business about Anna's" "You see, Anna was more important and I truly did feel her" "I can feel her with me now" "She's guiding me through you." "I don't know what about." "If you saw Anna, you'd understand." "I'm sorry about that." "He was d to see you." "He just needed reassuring g to quit." "Can I ask?" "Anna McFall, who exactly was she?" "Basically, she was ar-old girl." "She developed uation with Fred which led to an affair, regnant, wanted Fred to leave Rena, she went missing." "This was August, 1967." "We released a picture earlier." "Night." "We're now applying for a warrant area where you indicated ll might be." "I'd say that would be wise." "kill her, Fred?" "I'd sooner stab myself er." "If you didn't, who did?" ", it'd be Rena." "Why Rena?" "ound out about but Anna refused to give me up.} enjoy two women fighting over you?" "Well, I've learned to live with" "You enjoyed being part triangle?" "Was that how imes was with Rose?" "If you want me to say my loving wife" "You said your previous wife did." "This is a trap." "Janet?" "The police are just asking them honestly." "And I am." "Rose is not a murderer." "you, Fred." "I think Rose killed Charmaine." "you." "We're asking Rose the same questions pancy..." "They'll be no discrepancy, she'll you know?" "Did she tell you at she would do?" "All I know is ar Rose down." "She's not afraid of you lot." "r." "Why?" "ount of the fact some vices." "You with me, Janet?" "There was coppers ." "Where's your evidence?" "the evidence." "If there were such evidence, Fred, allow that to inhibit tigation." "You're grinning again, acting cocky." "?" "Yes, I do." "I think regrettable." "I think you should very seriously." "Don't you start being harsh" "I'm just telling you the truth." "You see, I don't believe you r do I believe you could conduct sexual th young women, kill, dismember and bury them se you share with Rose er knowing." "What you believe don't matter," "Take Lynda Gough." "Her parents very friendly with Rose when she lodged with you." "hat's Rose." "When Lynda disappeared and her ur house to ask if you knew where she was, ng her cardigan?" "Well, Lynda must've left it behind." "I think that's nonsense." "I think that you and Rose ated and coerced young women into sexual activities..." "FFFF}with broad-minded people." "Activities that became tic in nature." "We know your taste in pornography, clients." "Now you're putting two and two 0} I suggest that you and Rose took those acts much further than those girls e imagined." "There was a beam in the cellar, tape, a surgical mask, uments of torture." "I suggest that you suspended them ..." "Janet, stop it.ged \cHFFFFFF} Janet, you're my friend." "You watched Rose... ..do unspeakable agonies ntually died and you just stood back and watched ification and when Rose had finished with their bodies and buried them full knowledge." "I suggest that the two of you did similar things to your daughter, armaine." "Rose is innocent." "I ain't got nothing more to say." "Interview was terminated at 15:54." "(KNOCK ON DOOR)" "A word, please, DC Savage." "Rose has been charged of Lynda Gough." "I don't believe you." "Well, that's up to you a fact." "She wouldn't admit nothing." "Oh, I believe we have enough." "I need our house put back together." "And our family put back together!" "I don't think g to happen." "Help me take care of my family." "Get off her." "hem." "Don't let them!" "n!" "Come on." "Are you OK?" "really got evidence?" "Detective Superintendent Bennett e will get." "He's bringing these interviews e." "Thank you." ""Rosemary West, the wife of the" ""appeared in court today charged" ""of murdering 19-year-old" ""She's jointly accused with husband" ""Lucy Partington er." ""Both their bodies were found in ," ""Rosemary West is led into court" ""She's jointly accused of killing" ""21-year-old Swiss student" ""who vanished..."" ""Led to the discovery at Cromwell 18-year-old" ""Juanita Mott." "ppeared in 1975."" ""The wife of Gloucester builder" ""with murdering her daughter," ""The teenager's remains were among" ""She said nothing in the 3-minute en nodded" ""as the two new charges to her."" ""Police identified as Lynda Gough," ""found under the ground floor ." ""The next day the search unearthed Cooper," ""again in the basement." "Even as e victims" ""was discovered, the search team..."" "So which one's Lucy?" "And which one's Max?" "}(DOOR OPENS)" "I just wanted to say sorry." "Why?" "For saying you shouldn't ne it." "I saw her on the telly." "They've both been sent for trial." "You can forget it now." "Move on, yeah?" "Are you ready to go?" "Come on, Mum!" "(THEY ALL SHOUT EXCITEDLY)" "You all right?" "I can't do this any more." "We're out of sausages.FFFFFF} And rolls." "All right, I'll go." "Oh, Mum!" "Don't leave!" "Back in a minute." "Go and play football." "Come on, Mum!" "Hello." "it's me." "How are you?"" "I'm fine." ""I'm relieved to hear your voice."" "Where are you calling from?" "Talk to the screws nicely," "You see, I need your help, Janet." ""What do you mean?"" "I can't discuss it over the phone, } "No."" "Fred, my involvement with you e..." "I've gone back al family life." ""That's grand, that's lovely." ""Please give me this one bit of help," "I need you, Janet, please." "Right, I'm off." "See ya." "I might be late tonight." "If Mike's tea?" "No problem." "I'll be back." "Anything special?" "t a late lecture." "See you." "Janet." "You sit here." "OK." "You can't divorce me." "We haven't even got round rried yet." "So, how come you need a lawyer?" "I'm doing it for Fred West." "How come?" "He asked me to." "You've been to see him?" "s request." "I can't believe it." "It was a practical matter...\cH00FFFF} ..he needed help with." "You must be mad." "You're only finding him a solicitor?" "Yeah." "Although..." "What?" "I get the feeling that there's to tell me." "About what?" "About what he did, what Rose did." "Such as?" "I don't know, Mike, and if I did I wouldn't want about it." "Our life got in such a terrible mess im so if you don't want me" "I'm fine." "I'm taking my medication." "So long as you're OK with it." "Yes, please." "I saw they found Anna." "I know." "My worst fear's confirmed." "The memories..." "Memories of her keep flooding back." "Walking down the river the smell of her hair, her laughter," "making love on the blanket" "Who killed her, Fred?" "I think it was Rena." "How did you know he was buried?" "Because I heard her" "Do you really expect me e that?" "Life's full of such wonders" "It's a wonder you came into my life." "An even bigger wonder Anna." "Did you ever see a picture of her?" "I could no more hurt Anna" "If you want the truth about Anna," "I've written it down." "Look.as loved..."" "By an angel." "My Anna was an angel." "You've written "angle"." "In fact, half of this isspelt." "Well, I know I was..." "Then you'd know everything," "When this is over" "I want you to tell the world" "The truth needs to come out." ""Dear Janet, my book is coming along" ""I'm looking forward" ""so you can read more about Anna."" ""Dear Fred, I hope to be able" ""to get up to Birmingham again onth." ""I've brought you some T-shirts, d," ""and I'm really looking forward to f your book."" ""Dear Janet, the more I write my book" ""and the more I think about her," ""When I fell in love with Rose, w."" "Only one L in "peaceful"." ""But you too are my guide," ""Anna in you too but I cannot see her" ""even answer my letters." ""It's hard for me to face this" ""that Rose loved Rose and no-one" ""I am left with only you, Janet," ""as a true soul mate, but it is" ""a good job Rose do not know" ""as she would be very jealous."" "Hi." "Hi." "You all right?" "Another?" "little en pal he's becoming." "Is he telling you stuff, hoped?" "There's nothing concrete, e I open the lines of communication think he will." "I've thought of a way t help with this." "What?" "The Irish guy, the one ed all right." "I spoke to him." "He's the Mirror crime reporter." "I don't want to talk nalists, Mike." "I bet he'll have information p you." "These guys have ds of sources." "Mike?" "HFFFFFF} Good to meet you." "Janet." "Hi." "I think there are more bodies." "What makes you say that?" "were ten murders between 1971 and 1979 and he had only one ." "Do you believe that?" "Then there's who did the killing." "Fred, and in some cases, 's help." "You know Fred has a younger brother" "Yeah." "Have the police mentioned to you" "Fred, Rose, John, y." "whose names we don't even know yet." "Oh, my God!" "FFFFFF}just a rumour, but knowing Fred, would you" "And if there are more bodies, surely they have to be found." "Are you still in touch with him?" "." "Hoping to get him" "Not least about Rose, he's confident ff." "You're not working 00FFFF} No." "I'd be glad to work with you." "that comes my way in case it helps." "And, of course, we could pay" "But we wouldn't print the story until" "We won't do anything the trial." "And after the trial there could be" "I think you should do it, love." "And won't it jeopardise t case?" "Not if you don't have" "I'd be on me bike outside the chippy," ""Coming on the back, love?"" "King of Ledbury, I was." "It was" "Never quite the same" "Accident?" "e off my bike I bad." "(SNIFFS) The doctor" "Woke up on the bloody mortuary slab." "Go on." "Oh, I've got a present for you." "Bambi." "That's my favourite ever." "ah, you said." "Have you seen it?" "It breaks my heart, that." "when Bambi's wandering e... snow's coming down and he's calling" "Yeah." "When a youngster calls for their mum" "And then Bambi's dad says" ""Your mother can't be" "I ain't going there with them." "You ain't going where?" "The barn." "What?" "Who was in the barn?" "Rose?" "Your brother, John?" "Are you saying children in there?" "What happened?" "They hung 'em from the beam." "I used to go out by the sub station," "If I covered my eyes, now." "I can't get it out of my head." "I mean, he's told me horrific things ike this." "I don't know what to do with it." "I can't sleep and I can't talk t it." "Well, you can talk about it to me" "I know, I know, but" "I still can't get rid ictures." "It's the sounds, children, I've got children, Sid, ver hard I try..." "Janet, listen..." "FFFFF}{\cH00FFFF} thinking about somebody doing those things to them." "p." "For your own peace of mind, stop." "I can't." "How many more dead are there know about?" "Five?" "Ten?" "I need to know, Fred." "At least." "And you will know about them all," "I swear." "You won't be left with n." "What unanswered questions?" "About who killed Anna." "If you ever that it was Rena, or whoever, come and then I shall have some peace." "But I want to help Janet." "Then help me." "My head's all muddled t Rose is causing me.en here." "Yeah, but she's in here," "When we were first together, she takes pleasure all." "She thinks she has power over me" "Then make that clear to her." "How?" "She won't answer my letters for the remand hearing she looks..." "Then treat her the same way." "What d'you mean?" "HFFFFFF}{\cH00FFFF} you're together in court, just ignore her." "Make her feel she makes you feel." "You have to make the final break painful." "I don't think I've got the strength." "Unless..." "Unless what?" "Unless you were there." "See, if you were there and Anna would give me show Rose I don't need her any more." "You see that?" "You look great." "You're sure you don't want me you?" "Yeah, positive." "Thanks." "Where does this case stand?" "Ma'am, the matter's being dealt with bulary." "We anticipate there may be ." "We request the defendants are held four weeks for a committable bundle ." "Do you have any representations to st, Mr Miles?" "No, Ma'am.\cHFFFFFF}{\cH00FF00} of Rosemary West?" "{\cHFFFFFF} No, Ma'am." "You're both remanded in custody cution continues to put together I papers." "A provisional date for aring has been set at 6th February." "You will urt then." "Do you understand?" "Yes, Ma'am." "Mrs West?" "Take them down." "Rose..." "Rose, please." "Rose." "They're model planes." "Right, they're ready." "Oh, that's mine!" "\cHFFFFFF}{\cH00FFFF} a minute, they're hot." "Hey!" "Hi, my name's Janet Leach." "I've got a call booked r at 4 o'clock." "Frederick West." "Thanks, Mum." "These are well good." "Yeah, they're very nice." "Mum." ""Janet?" ""How are you?"" ""I've not seen you in a while."" "No, well, it's been difficult and everything." ""Did you get that visiting order?"" "Yeah, but I rang to say ake it." "Oh, I see." "Well, when can you make it?" "Well, as long as it's not e." "what happened in court," "I thought maybe you thought" "If you let anyone down, Fred, elf." ""Or made you feel like" ""You see, I meant what I said about" ""and that I see her more in you" "Fred, I don't give a damn about Anna." ""Ah, but you do." "I can tell and..." ""nothing's changed ou." ""It's just that I had to give Rose ." ""D'you see?"" "I really think we can move things" "It's my go." "Why do you want my go?" ""That your kids I can hear?"" "Yeah." "Well, save a place for me" "You so nearly got away with it!" "NE)" ""In Australia, thousands welcomed" "My go." "Ten, ten, ten, ten." "(PHONE RINGS)" "Hello?" "Yeah, yeah, I am." "He's hung himself." "Made a rope out of his bed linen," "Obviously planned it carefully." "Seems you were due to visit him?" "Yeah, um, he wanted me ore Christmas but it wasn't possible." "Do you think that might be o with it?" "Are you saying that's why imself, that this is my fault?" "playing with fire, Mrs Leach, n you." "The fact is it will now be very Rose West." "The one person who could tell us s dead." "What's more, his death means onfidentiality that you had about conversations one." "Now you must tell me everything ything that he ever said to you." "What did he tell you about the barn?" "Um... only fragments." "He spoke about standing outside of children." "And did he say that Rose was there?" "I asked him about Rose being inside and about his brother, John, too," "but he never really gave answer." "Well, we're aware arn stories." "We'll continue to look into it, John tigation, but Rose West won't be on rumour." "I need evidence." "We found the remains of Therese e cellar floor." "I only heard what he said terviews." "Shirley Hubbard?" "The same." "Only what he said views." "We believe that Fred left her he day, that Rose used various instruments y violate the girl before Fred came home rdered her." "Did he discuss that y with you?" "No." "But he told you Rose was of the murders?" "Yeah, and... how cold-hearted I she could be." "But it's detail I need if we're to make the charges stick." "I know and I'm trying to give you can remember." "Anna McFall." "Yeah, he often spoke about me." "You helped him write this, ve." "Yeah." "So you've read it, then?" "of it." "I was hoping there'd be detail uid help." "Sentimental trash, it's bullshit, her." "He never had any real feelings all." "He just used, abused and killed her." "He always denied killing Anna." "to have sex on and he'd taken her womb." "You look upset." "I should read this before you shed 00FFFF} What is it?" "A copy of a letter to Rose his cell." ""Keep your promises to me." ""You know what they are." ""I have no present, is my life." ""I will give it to you, my darling." ""When you are ready to come to me or you."" "His death was a last gift to Rose." "Or a way of cursing the rest of her him." "Either way, you were levant to him." "Janet." "It's half-eight." "I'm not going to college today, y well." "All right." "What about the kids?" "Do you want me ool?" "Yeah." "Right." "Andy, Chris, Jade, get your bags." "(DOOR CLOSES)" "Come on." "Right, get in." "Janet." "What are you doing?" "What the hell are you playing at?" "I don't..." "I don't know g to do it." "Yeah, well, that's what ke to me." "Why?" "Christ." "What were you thinking?" "I don't know, I just..." "?" "What?" "What?" "You just what?" "You miss him, don't you?" "I didn't say that." "Yeah, yeah, Christ, it, you do." "Look at me." "You miss Fred West?" "I miss..." "I miss feeling mattered and..." "I miss feeling that I was needed." "What, and you think I don't ids don't?" "Of course you do not in the same way." "Have you...have you any idea hat is?" "I'm sorry." "I really am sorry, but I just..." "how" "I can explain it to you." "Look..." "Look..." "I don't care how desperate you get, and miserable you are for the rest of your life." "You cannot do this to your children." "It's all right." "I'm so sorry." "It's all right." "Come on." "Come on." "Jurors in the Rosemary West murder today the voice of her husband Fred" "On them, the court heard him say he" "Rosemary was not." "He said" "(BANG ON DOOR)" "The Prosecution say he was protecting from Winchester Crown Court." ""Rosemary West has always maintained "" "Janet Leach?" "I've been asked er this to you." "What is it?" "to give at Rosemary West's trial at Winchester Crown Court." ""Rose didn't kill no-one." ""I killed Charmaine" ""when I came out of prison." ""Rose had no part in this."" "Did she do it?" "HFFFFFF}{\cH00FFFF} calling me as a witness?" "'" "Rose West's lawyers asked s to be played." "It means the Prosecution in the stand and ask her about them." "That's good." "She can tell them what the tapes," "I'm afraid I can't comment may ask you." "But there are other witnesses?" "." "Including surviving victims how Rose helped Fred rape and abuse them." "But only you can comment f the tapes." "I just don't know if I can do it, e that woman." "Place your hand on the Bible fter me" "I swear by Almighty God..." "I swear by Almighty God... that the evidence I shall give shall give shall be the truth, the whole t the truth." "shall be the truth, the whole truth ruth." "Did Fred West ever mention a pact ose?" "Yes, he did." "Um... he said that shortly before his arrest he and Rose had spoken and he agreed rything." "On the murder of Shirley Robinson, the garden of 25 Cromwell Street, something said in police interviews about f the baby that she was pregnant with?" "That it wasn't found pected it to be." "What did Fred West about that?" "He said, "Rose would've done that."" "And what did you think by that?" "That Rose must've been present der and that she removed the baby s womb before or after Shirley died." "When Fred West described to his victims at Cromwell Street, u that Rose West was present?" "And what did he say happened?" "He said that... he might start things off ld take over." "He said she loved inflicting pain, that there were times seen her inflict the most terrible pain ng women." "And you were in no doubt ing the truth?" "None at all." "One final question, Mrs Leach." "The evidence of a number witnesses has been compromised because they've press for financial benefit." "Have you either spoken to the press or been paid by them?" "No, I haven't." "No more questions, My Lord." "(WHISPERS)" "The court will adjourn." "We will continue with your evidence ach." "All rise." "What did they say?" "They don't care have to wait." "They..." "They want you back in court." "The doctors have explained because or stroke you can't go back u feel ready." "I can't ever go back court, Mike." "They're on to the Mirror thing." "that." "If they don't know now find out." "Who's that from?" "Hazel Savage." "The woman detective, ood to you?" "Yeah." "Who wanted more than anyone else ase." ""Don't let the bastards down."" "She's right, isn't she?" "What are you going to do?" "Did you ever ask yourself, ch, whether some of things Fred West -fetched or sheer fantasy?" "That even on those occasions be plausible he was actually spinning o draw you in?" "I often asked myself that question." "And are you quite sure he wasn't just using you?" "Using me for what?" "Using you as some kind of trophy in order to try and make alous?" "Why did you continue ip with Fred West after your role late Adult ended?" "Well, I...him in prison ly, did you not?" "I believed that I had his trust" "I might eventually be able to the full story." "And when you had that full story, what did you intend to do with it?" "What do you mean?" "Did you think you might sell of it to the newspapers?" "May I remind you oath, Mrs Leach, and that to lie on oath is to commit rjury." "Have you sold your story newspaper?" "Mrs Leach, you must e question." "Yes, I have." "(GASPS)" "And was that newspaper r?" "So... when Mr Leveson asked you whether into an agreement with the media story, you were lying?" "Yes, I was." "You continued your relationship profit?" "No, that's not fair." "You encouraged him to give count possible because that would give you ry." "And you happily swallowed his lies because all you wanted was a story." "No, that's not true." "Was Fred West y attached to you?" "Were you romantically involved t?" "No more questions, Your Honour." "OK." "Mr Leveson." "Mrs Leach?" "You told the court you thought the police investigation by persuading reveal important information to the police." "After you ceased to be riate Adult and had begun t him in prison, did you believe there was further persuade him did." "Could you tell the court on that was?" "Well..." "Fred West told me there were e victims." "(GASPS IN COURT)" "20?" "And you believed him?" "Yes, I did." "Did he go into detail about s might be or where their bodies might 0FFFF} No, he didn't, but I believed he was ose to it." "All I wanted was for him e truth, because I'm a mother myself and..." "I know that if my child ssing" "I'd want to know the truth." "Members of the jury, you have You must now retire to consider your verdict." "'Will the foreman of the jury nd?" "'Have you reached a verdict e all agreed 'on all counts against Rosemary West?" "'" "'Yes.'" "'On count one, do you find ty or not guilty?" "'" "'Guilty.'" "'On count two, do you find ty or not guilty?" "'" "'Guilty.'" "'On count three, the defendant...'" "'It's taken me ages but it fits" "Country lane, sub station, and the map shows a barn up here." "But there's bad news too." "It's been demolished." "I reckon this really" "Then again, it might not be." "Why would he describe it" "Because he was a lying psychopath." "I'll never know the truth." "The thing is you can't hing, can you?" "Once someone puts some terrible r head you're stuck with it forever, u?" "But you came through it." "You exposed yourself to all that through." "Did I?" "Try and get it." "Oi, are you two" "Come on, Mum." "Come on." "(THEY LAUGH AND SHOUT)" "'I'll never stop g about them." "'About all the lost lives." "'And all the people to carry on 'after what this has done to them.'" "itfc subtitles"