"[director] Part of this is I'm trying to figure out some of the big picture things." "How aesthetically to tell your story." "And even before that, kind of what your story is, you know?" "Roll, camera." "[Christoph] I've been thinking about how we would kind of create the documentary." "And in my general state of anxiety right now, I came to this question:" "Is this about me, or is this by me?" "And you don't even see me drawing, right?" "[director] We don't." "We're just seeing the top half of your head." "So you can act with your eyes." "[director laughs]" "[Cristoph] When I design the experience for the viewer, of course I want to come across as good as I possibly can." "'Cause we're vain and we have to be." "And if it's about me, it's a little bit, just tug of war of how much do you make me reveal and how much do I reveal of stuff that I might not want to reveal." "But, ultimately, it's not about me." "[director] Be an artist." "[Cristoph whispers] Be an artist." "[drumming]" "[woman sings in German]" "[clock ticks loudly] [door opens and closes distantly]" "[Christoph] I would say everything that happens between nine and six is about work." "I work mostly by myself." "So I sit at my desk and I draw and I design." "So I'm there, and it's me and my art supplies and my computer and my coffee maker, so it's kind of me, me, me." "I'm such a control freak that I would always love to sit down and come up with the perfect formula for creating art." "But it doesn't work that way." "It's a little bit of a painful realization, because, ultimately, it really is, to a very large degree, staring at paper." "And I have to trust for kind of crazy moments to happen." "[piano plays]" "I would say that abstraction probably is, for me, the most important concept of art." "Where you say, "Oh, I'm just drawing a simple box, because I love things that are not precious."" "But it's the idea of, like, I start with a thousand different thoughts and then I, one by one, throw them all out, until, at the end, I have the one or two or three" "that are essential to the whole question." "But the abstraction, for me, is this idea of getting rid of everything that's not essential to making a point." "This thing here, it's called The Good Shape or The Good Form." "So I take this flatiron shape and I start doing things out of it." "Men, women, bathroom, strongman, nuclear power plant, cowboys and Indians," "all sorts of sports." "[director] So what did your teachers make of you?" "I had a very, very difficult teacher, Heinz Edelmann, who did Yellow Submarine, The Beatles' movie, and did amazing posters and book work." "Fantastic designer, but let's say he did not teach by encouragement." "The highest compliment that you could hope for was," ""Oh, we don't really have a problem with that."" "That was like, "Yes!"" "When I grew up in South Western Germany, I was always drawing." "It was all about getting action and proportion right." "Drawing things very dynamic." "And that was the goal." "To kind of get there, to this, like, hyperrealist, amazing painting." "And this is kind of the notion that I went to art school with." "But the teacher I had at art school, Mr. Edelmann, he made it pretty clear that he really disliked this stuff that I was doing." "So I was drawing hundreds of sketches on just letter-sized paper, and each week, he would come in and go through them and basically say, "Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope."" ""Oh, this one's okay!"" "'Cause this is what we did in school." "Take a topic, like a red clown's nose, and then just squeeze the hell out of it." "Just do every single variation." "[director laughs]" "[Cristoph] Eventually, I realized that it's not about something super simple like a black square or, like, one line." "But each idea requires a very specific amount of information." "Sometimes it's a lot: a lot of details, a lot of realism." "Sometimes it's really just this one line." "The one pixel." "But each idea has one moment on that scale." "So, lets say you want to illustrate the idea of a heart as a symbol for love." "When you illustrate it, as just, like, a red square, which is the ultimate abstraction of a heart, nobody knows what you're talking about, so it totally falls flat." "When you go all the way realistic and draw an actual heart made out of flesh and blood and pumping, it's just so disgusting that the last thing anybody would ever think about is love." "And somewhere between that abstract red square and the real, kind of butchered heart, is the graphic shape that kind of looks like that, and kind of looks like that, and it's just right to transport this idea of a symbol for love." "New Yorker covers are the biggest deal for an illustrator, I think." "Once you see The New Yorker cover once, you see the history, you see the artist, you see, most importantly, I guess, the cultural impact." "This was my..." "This was the first one." "[director] What was the date?" "July 9, 2001, the day I got married." "Which is especially fantastic." "What I love is that this is what they put on the magazine." "There's no headline." "There's not even a story." "This was July 4, 2001." "It was about the missile shield." "The Dr. Strangelovian generals who start World War Three." "There's no story about this idea inside the magazine." "It's almost like the stage is pulled empty and this is the image for one week." "The second cover might actually have been... this one." "And, to a strange degree, this might even be the most exciting one, because the first cover of The New Yorker is the Eustace Tilley, this New York dandy with a top hat." "And we said, "Let's try to do an icon of an icon."" "Making the butterfly just a blue square, makes absolutely no sense unless you know the original." "I've done 22, I think." "The thing is, I never even thought about 22." "You think that when you've done two or three, all of a sudden it becomes, like, "Oh, it's just another job."" "It's not, because it's extremely exciting, but it never becomes easy." "[clock ticking] [director] So tell me about this New Yorker cover you're working on." "[Christoph] I'm doing this virtual reality cover, which..." "It's more like augmented reality." "So the idea is I have this magazine open, on the front or on the back, now I approach it with my phone or with my tablet and then this whole three-dimensional animation comes out." "And you're just like, "No way!"" "There's a lot of kind of levels of metaphors and drawing to work." "And 3-D and 2-D and back and forth, and it's kind of like physical and..." "And I also knew I couldn't plan." "I couldn't have one idea that just solves the entire thing." "I had to start somewhere and then say, "Okay, is this strong enough or flexible enough to just go to the next step?"" "[clock ticking]" "So the magazine, in theory, opened like that." "But I don't look at a magazine like that," "I think nobody ever looks at a magazine like that." "So I thought, when I have a magazine, I might look at it like that, so, really seeing it as the inside-outside world." "And I was thinking," ""What's..." "What's like a very New York inside/outside scene?"" "I realized that a subway..." "I have the windows, I have people sitting in there and then the whole subway can be..." "Yeah, that's the idea of the magazine as the plane that the person walks through." "You can see it from the inside or from the outside." "It's a New York City cab, off-duty, which you can see..." "It's off-duty here." "This is..." "Let's make it busy." "This one's busy." "It looks better, though, all black and yellow." "My favorite colors." "It's the restriction with Lego, the restriction of... just very low resolution..." "It's almost like a three-dimensional pixel drawing... that I enjoy so much." "[director] Why have you done so much New York work?" "Well, it started with my connection." "It was the first city I went to by myself... and I think there's only one city in your life that you go to by yourself... and you own that." "There was no uncle, there were no parents that paved the way." "It was like my place." "[simple electronic tune playing]" "I moved to New York in '97." "To my surprise, when I went there and showed my book," "I realized that people understood 99% of my work." "Going to a country that's a few thousand miles away, and everybody gets everything is really amazing." "In a very odd way, I felt very much at home just being so immersed in American culture as a kid." "From music, to art, Magnum P.I." "[electronic music continues playing]" "[Christoph] Staten Island Ferry." "If you've been on the Staten Island Ferry, you know that this is it." "This is the essence of this kind of first tourist moment." "For me, this style is based on culture, on shared experiences." "This is more interesting than coming up with a visionary new way of speaking that people then have to decipher." "[electronic music ends] [street hubbub]" "[Christoph] There's this one Starbucks, and I love sitting in that window, and that's been a place I've been sitting at from my very first time coming to New York." "I always felt like, "That's where I want to sit and kind of look out."" "And I've, a couple of times, tried to work from there, because that's how I see myself, you know, like the artist being in touch with the city..." "And then we have this kind of emotional exchange, people walking by... [street hubbub] [silence]" "It doesn't work at all." "The impact on the work is zero." "It's even actually confusing, and I can't really focus when I sit there." "This is the moment where I realized that kind of, like, my real life and my work life, they don't really mix." "[director] I see what you're saying." "I'm just trying to kind of solve it from a visual storytelling point of view." "I mean, I guess, the way I see some of these things, it's almost like these very quick montages of very close shots, you know, done very quickly." "Just... [makes sweeping sound]" "Getting through the day, its ritual, like brushing your teeth." "[Christoph] I mean, again we can try..." "You know, like, the idea of a camera in our bathroom... makes me feel extremely uncomfortable." "[director laughing] Okay, well I don't want that." "[Christoph] And so we can do it, but it would be more like a painful thing and I could not possibly imagine how I would ever want to see that myself." "[ominous music playing]" "I'd much rather draw it than show it." "[ticking clock]" "When I started working, I worked mostly under deadline." "For the first ten years, if I would have to separate my business, it was 30% "We need Christoph to make a nice drawing on this and that"" "and 70% of, like, "Oh, no, something went terribly wrong." "We have another 12 hours, let's call that guy, he will make a somewhat unembarrassing solution that will save our butts for deadline."" "And I love that." "I love this kind of tension, especially in editorial, but a lot of the calls I got were out of desperation." "[clock ticking]" "[strings play to a climax]" "So I think Chuck Close said, "Inspiration is for amateurs." "Us professionals, we just go to work in the morning."" "The one thing I really love about that quote is it relieves you of a lot of pressure." "It's not about waiting for hours for this moment where inspiration strikes." "It's just about showing up and getting started, and then something amazing happens or it doesn't happen." "All that matters is you enable the chance for something to happen." "For that you have to sit at your desk and you have to draw and do and make decisions and hope for the best." "[calming music playing]" "[Christoph] It's so scary when you have half an hour to do something." "That of course, creating a process that allows you to do unembarrassing stuff on command is the only way you can survive." "If you create an armor of craft around you." "The one thing that's dangerous about focusing on craft and working very hard is that it can keep you from asking the really relevant questions." "I'm trying to get good at something, but is that thing that I'm trying to get good at the real thing?" "It's the subway track with the knobs on the side of the tracks." "Put... someone standing there." "So when you stand there in the middle of the night, 'cause you missed the last G train and you just look at the critters," "your friends and your enemies at once." "The yellow is the perfect New York color." "It's the taxicabs, it's the side of the subways...." "The contrast is just so perfect." "[upbeat piano music]" "I met my wonderful wife, we got married and had kids." "We have this routine of, like, waving at each other when she leaves and comes." "[in German] Have fun." "We're all waiting for you to leave the frame!" "[laughs] It's totally okay." "See you in a bit." "[in English] I guess it started with me and my wife." "And then we have one kid, and then it's really more like that." "Then you have a second child." "You think they're like the first one because you're doing the same thing you did with the first one, but the second one turns out totally different." "But then the third one is more like that." "I did a book based on the experience of riding the subway with the kids and how they just totally absorbed this idea." "And I think what they liked about the subway, what I like about the subway is, in a strange way, you're in this huge city, but it's the one thing where you're in control." "Sometimes we're like that." "Sometimes like this." "I guess we hope to be like that more often." "That seems like a realistic rendering of family life." "I'm trying to come up with something for The New Yorker." "I'm doing this virtual reality cover, and basically this is something I've never done." "In this case, not only do you work 360, but you work 360 in all directions, so you can look at it from all different angles." "For anything decent I've ever done," "I distinctly remember being in a tense, grumpy mood." "Worse than that, I get suspicious when having too good of a time working, since I know that this doesn't bode well for the outcome." "[clock ticking]" "When you draw in two dimensions, you can cheat." "You can just hide anything you don't like behind a wall." "And in this case, you can look behind the wall and you can see all the mess that's behind it." "It's like an endless compromise." "The elements are not this kind of, like, highly-rendered 3-D world, which I really detest visually." "You know, where everything has highlights and everything feels like this smelly plastic." "I want an ink drawing." "I want, like, a flat ink drawing that you can walk into and that kind of surrounds you." "There's too many lines in that side." "Just throw in something that you think you would regret, and that's usually the most interesting part." "When all fails, just put in some water towers." "It's always a great trick." "And this is so wrong with that dry brush." "I wish I could rip out the rest of the painting and do more of that." "Obviously I'm playing around for the camera now." "Dun, dun, dun..." "Okay, next scene." "I'm convinced you always have to change direction while things are good." "I was in my mid-30s, was extremely busy." "I felt fulfilled, but exhausted." "And I still think New York is the best place to work, but I feel like it's not a good place to refill your kind of creative tank." "And I find it harder to reinvent." "I sensed that the only way to grow required that I loosen up." "And it was in the mid-2000s, my wife and I agreed that the only place that we could imagine to move to would be Berlin." "[jazz music playing] [woman sings German lyrics]" "[Cristoph] There's all these kind of crazy galleries that do stuff that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever economically and it's just totally a different mindset." "Berlin makes it easy not to worry so much about the feasibility of an idea." "So my kind of, like, most intense phase, in terms of my work, actually happened when I moved to Berlin." "[German song continues]" "[director] In a perfect world, in this documentary, and this will probably make you queasy, there would be a moment where there's a sense of unadulterated reality." "Just a glimpse." "[Christoph] I..." "It would feel so completely out of place." "Like, it would be the farthest thing from me ever showing anybody how I brush my teeth." "When you show the real thing, you kill it." "You make it impossible to then look at these things in the abstract." "It's like in..." "I think in Charlie Brown, you never see the grown-ups," "you only hear these muffled voices, -[muffled voice] and that's perfect, that's amazing!" "The one moment you zoom out and show these grownups, they could be designed perfectly, they could be written perfectly, but everything else would be crashing down." "So, in a way, I feel like we already zoomed out and showed, even though I don't know if I'm a grown-up, but that's already far too big of a zoom out." "And if you go even further there... [director] So much of your daily routine and life inspires your work." "It just seems like we should be able to see it." "Well, yeah." "I guess." "Yeah." "[stammers]" "Okay, honestly nobody wants authenticity." "Authenticity is like changing your kid's diapers." "It's a cute idea in the abstract, but the real deal is just..." "All I care about is what's happening on the page, because I want people to really think about themselves." "What went into creating the art?" "[director] But people want to see you in your real life." "We can't just film you at your desk the whole documentary." "[electronic music playing]" "[Christoph] Anything that's happening between nine and six is kind of the essence." "But some stuff has to happen outside the studio." "Like going to a museum." "The gateway drug is not creating art, but experiencing art." "[electronic music continues]" "[Christoph] Having the whole world explained, or even better, turned upside down, just by looking at a few strokes of oil paint on canvas." "That's the greatest thrill I know." "If experiencing art is so amazing, how great must it be to actually make this stuff?" "And that's how they lure you into art school." "[electronic music continues]" "[Christoph] Everything I do is kind of creating information, creating usually images that do something with what the viewer already knows." "Really the idea of, like, their experience and my experience coming together and the images are the trigger." "But the big, big problem with routine is everything starts to look the same." "So I'm constantly trying to reinvent how I approach image making, how I approach storytelling, because the audience changes all the time, I change all the time." "[chime music playing]" "[Christoph] When I was 12, I taught myself to juggle." "At any given moment, there's one ball in the air." "And this is something that I hate so much, this idea of no control." "But this approach of not planning opens a new door." "It's really, really hard, but it just leads to these magic moments." "I started an Instagram project called Sunday Sketches." "In terms of the response I've got, they've been some of the better stuff I've been doing, but on the other hand, they're the most useless things I've ever done." "There's almost zero control there." "For my professional work, I need control because I need to be able to tweak, to adjust, to plan." "But these Sunday Sketches are un-plannable." "All the good ones just happen by me just staring at something." "Like moving around the light, and all of a sudden, there's a highlight or a shadow and then, "Oh, now there's something happening."" "You can't sketch that." "I never was a reader because I never want to escape from anything," "I want my real life to be interesting." "But then I read a book," "The Invention of Slowness, I think is the title." "It's about a guy who is so incredibly slow in his perception that he can..." "He actually sees shadows moving." "It's a good fiction book, but the amazing thing that I remember from reading that book is, whenever I looked up from that book," "I felt I had this view from the book in my real world." "[calming music playing]" "This book made my life more interesting." "This is also in art, something where you're not creating an artificial world." "You're taking the things you know, and then you break them down into little elements." "And I rearrange them, and all of a sudden make a statement." "[calming music continues]" "[Christoph] Not with a monster or a dragon, but with a pencil." "I came from, you know, print media." "You just felt like it's always going to be there, people always need images and they always need to be drawn, and if you've figured it out, you're set." "And all of a sudden, it wasn't anymore." "It was about web long form pieces, it was about animation." "Of course, it's our job to see if there's some relevant way that I can contribute to this new angle." "So this is all of us, all the time." "So this is an app I did over the last four years, and I wanted to do something interactive..." "But the big question is the moment I give too much decision-making to the viewer over what can happen..." "Often, the viewer might have different ideas, and you want to be surprised." "That's the whole point of books." "You want some surprise." "You want something unexpected to happen." "But here, in my literary section, I have all these literature references, like Don Quixote and Kafka," "Moby Dick, a little Jane Austen, and Homer, and hopefully kids enjoy that scene as much as grown-ups." "Some people love it, and probably some people don't." "Some people love it, some people don't." "That's life." "[swoosh] [clock ticking] [director] I'm wondering, it almost seems like, you know, the creator of your pieces and you, as editor of your pieces, are two different people." "[Christoph] Yes!" "I need to be in control and I need to have a very clear sense of where I'm going and why something's working and not working." "On the other hand, I've also realized that being more free-spirited is necessary." "I've found that I need to develop these two personas separately." "Be a much more ruthless editor and be a much more careless artist." "This I find physically exhausting, but there's good stuff happening there." "I take very specific time off for this kind of, like, free creation." "[clock ticking]" "Because I know it's basically impossible to do under deadline." "Literally, just sitting in front of a piece of paper and just doing stuff and being fearless." "There's something there that I need to, kind of, go back and investigate further." "[clock continues ticking]" "[Christoph] Creatively, I'm extremely dependent on these sparks." "And it only works with loosening up, without an assignment, without deadline, with just kind of creating and not worrying so much about where the whole thing goes." "But I think it has never happened to me that I tried something new on a big deadline." "[director] And what's your deadline for The New Yorker?" "[Christoph] Two weeks." "It's going to be insanity." "Totally stressed out. [laughs]" "I've seen a lot of VR stuff, and it's always, like, "Oh, wow!" "This is so interesting,"" "and then, 25 seconds later, I completely lose interest and this is the great challenge right now." "This is not, like, a coy thing to say, "Oh, I don't believe I'm talented."" "This is real, like, being absolutely painfully aware of how you're not good enough to do something on command." "[chime music playing]" "[Christoph] Your general notion is that doing something nice makes you more confident." "With ideas, I often find it's the opposite." "With every good idea you have, it actually becomes more difficult, because it's so hard to then repeat." "Of course, you can't repeat." "This is, like, where the pain comes in, when I talk about not being good enough, or being afraid that you're out of ideas." "You measure yourself against a lucky moment." "And this is, like, really, really painful." "You had this one kind of spark three years ago, and then a client asks you to do it again." "And you think, "How can I?" "I won the lottery then." "How can you ask me to win the lottery, under pressure, with a gun to my head?"" "And this is something that, before I consciously thought about it," "I just realized, "Oh, God, I'm miserable."" "[chime music continues]" "[Christoph] But when I realized that my fears threatened to take a toll on my work," "I decided I had to deal with them." "Relax; don't be so hard on yourself." "I actually totally disagree." "You have to practice and become better." "Every athlete, every musician practices every day." "Why should it be different for artists?" "[upbeat music playing]" "[Christoph] I sometimes imagine what would happen if I had to face the 2006 version of myself in some sort of creative bar fight." "Maybe I've lost some of my youthful spark, but I'm confident I would kick my butt." "The assignment was to do an augmented reality cover." "In a way, we have that augmented reality cover, but this already is an augmented reality cover, because you can look at the same scene from two sides." "I'm inside the subway." "So, essentially what I do with the iPad, I do with the physical magazine." "As if the magazine is the door of the subway." "So this is an extension of that, rather than the other way round." "[muffled female voice]" "Yeah, yeah." "[muffled female voice] [muffled female voice continues]" "[Christoph] I know how complex it is to put these different things, like the 3-D and the animation together, that I'm surprised how close it came to what I imagined." "[Lou Reed's "This Magic Moment" playing]" "♪ This magic moment ♪" "♪ So different and so new ♪" "♪ Was like any other ♪" "♪ Until I met you ♪" "♪ And then it happened ♪" "♪ It took me by surprise ♪" "♪ I knew that you felt it too ♪" "♪ I could see it By the look in your eyes ♪" "♪ Sweeter than wine ♪" "♪ Softer than a summer's night ♪" "♪ Everything I want, I have ♪" "♪ Whenever I hold you tight ♪" "♪ This magic moment... ♪" "The idea of pop music is not to invent a new story, but to tell the same story again in a new and interesting way." "We don't buy new pop songs and say," ""Oh, there's somebody singing about love, nobody else has dared do that until now."" "People have been singing about love for 500 years." "♪ Why won't you dance with me?" "♪" "And it's the idea of, like, making it different, that you feel, "Oh, I never actually until now," "nobody has ever gotten it right."" "♪ This magic moment ♪" "♪ So different and so new ♪" "♪ Was like any other... ♪" "I love the idea of bringing these familiar scenes back in, but just making them appear to be totally different." "New and true." "♪ You know it took me by surprise ♪" "♪ I knew that you felt it too ♪" "♪ Mmm ♪" "♪ By the look in your eyes ♪" "♪ Sweeter than wine ♪" "[Christoph] In the best moments, what happens is that design celebrates the world." "♪ Everything I want, I have ♪" "[Christoph] When I look at a piece of art that references my fears, my anxieties, my hopes," "and I can say, "There was this one drawing that made me realize that I'm alive or that I love other people or that I'm afraid."" "♪ Sweeter than wine ♪" "♪ Softer than a summer's night ♪" "♪ So please ♪" "♪ Baby ♪" "♪ So please ♪" "♪ Save the last dance for me ♪" "[clock ticking]" "[Christoph] My goal is to speak visuals... like a pianist speaks piano." "And like somebody controls the keys and can convey different ideas, different emotions, through that language." "I have to constantly battle to try to kind of refine the act of speaking." "Taking the world and putting it into images and conveying them." "And for that, I have to constantly produce." "It's not done, because the whole idea of being done is kind of the opposite of what I'm trying to achieve." "[instrumental music playing]" "Gute Nacht."