"Tonighton" "After the Runway..." "It'salmostunfairhow that was treated." "Wedon'tknowifyouwould  have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you." "IfI wasanyofyou, Iwould  be pissed." "Doesitmakeyou feelbetter to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions?" "I mean, you are, like, twice my age." "And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you, Laura" "== sync, corrected by elderman ==" "Welcometotheveryfirst" "After the Runway show." "Project Drama Original Air Date on October 6, 2011" "I'm your host," "Zanna Roberts Rassi." "This is where we'll be dishing with the designers about all that happened on tonight's" "Project Runway, both on and off screen." "Hi, everyone." "Hi." "Howarewe doing?" "Good." "Howareyou ?" "Excellent." "Whatanepisode." "Oh, my God." "Cockroaches." "Yeah." "Crazybirds." "[Laughter]" "Seriously." "And then you were head to head against each other, and obviously the stakes were high." "$20,000." "Right." "Andtheadvertorialin" "Marie Claire." "That's pretty steep." "Howdowe feelaboutit?" "Forme,wasmajor." "I mean it's $20,000." "You could start your own line." "You could do your own thing." "So it was kind of disappointing," "I guess, for me." "Canyoutellmeaboutthis finger situation?" "Thesewingmachinewent straight through my finger, and" "I was..." "It was over for me." "Ow, you son of--aah." "I sawed through my finger." "And so I was upset, and I was just trying to have a moment, and I couldn't get my own moment." "Youdidimpressthe judges." "Very much so." "Thankyou." "Someofyoulessso." "Bert." "Oh,youlookingatme?" "[Laughter]" "What happened?" "Thatbirddidnot speaktome  at all." "Right." "WhenI walkedoutthereandI  saw our judge, I just--my heart sank." "FranciscoCosta." "Yes,yeah." "When I saw him, I thought, "he's not gonna get it."" "And, again, we worked so fast." "I mean, it was one look, then it's a second look, you know, and all these other things are going on." "Alltheotherthingsgoing on." "Now, so before we got to this happy family unit I see here, things weren't quite so harmonious." "Let's take a look at some of your finer moments." "EverytimeIsay something, somebody laughs or something." "So, you know, I don't need that." "Bert,you'realwaysthe last one." "There'sBert,justwaitingto annoy the crap out of me." "I'mgladI'vegot immunity." "Doo-dah, doo-dah." "Bert'salwaysmumblingthings underneath his breath." "Thatmeansyou'reonthis  team, Bert." "That'sthebadnews." "Didyousay"thatsucks"?" "No." "No?" "I 'mhearingthings." "See,nooneknowswhat you're saying when you say it." "Yeah." "Youdon'tletmetalk ." "No,' causeyou'regetting confused." "No,it'snotaquestion." "It's kind of difficult to make sense with somebody who's crazy." "[Whistles]" "Where does it say on this [bleep] machine that you're using it?" "Drop dead." "Watchyourlanguagewithme, please." "Drop dead?" "Yeah,justgo away." "Self-centered prick." "[Laughter]" "Okay." "Wow." "You all cut this one up, didn't you?" "Allright,so Iwanttohear from you guys." "Viktor, how did all this come about?" "Um,I think,in the beginning, Bert was very much focused on dealing with young people, I feel, but I think Bert definitely says it how it is and how he wants it to be, and" "there's no sugar coating it, so he really frustrated me." "Howdidyoufeelabout,you know, all these arguments, and being thrown into this pit?" "Isortof gotthe feeling after a couple of days that these people are thinking, like," ""this guy's old enough to be my mom or my father's friend." "It's weird."" "It's, like, "why doesn't he go away?"" "Shouldn'thehavegonetobed earlier or something?" "Yeah,andit 'slike,"whyis he still here?"" "You know, and I, like what" "Viktor said, I don't try to play two faces." "I say what I feel." "But it--it was, you know, it's been an eye-opening experience." "Thisisaveryshortschedule that we film on." "It'strue." "And I really think, you know, instead of fighting with him, love him, because I think he has a lot to give and share and teach people, regarding design specifically." "See,it'sliketeentherapy, around here isn't it?" ""Project therapy," we'll re-call it." "Did you ever think that those boxer shorts would get you to your first victory?" "No." "Youhavegreattastein underwear." "What color do you have on now?" "Gray." "Butyou'restillwearing boxers." "No,notboxers." "Whoo!" "T.M.I." "Littleeyesarelightingup over here." "Joshua,thechallengewejust  watched, you created a really great gown." "It was beautiful." "Thankyou." "Um,butyouwerereally, really upset about that, and not particularly gracious with Anya." "Did--was it more about the fact that you'd lost the $20,000?" "Kindof." "I mean, that, for me, you know," "I'm--I--I'm struggling in" "New York right now." "Like, bills haven't been paid." "And they're--they're--I don't see where they will get paid at this point." "It's hard for me to talk about." "I mean, it's, you know, it's difficult to live there." "Itis." "Gosh, I know, yeah." "Youknow,like,Kimberly, like, you touched me in that last one, where you, you know... losing people and everything, and having to be there for yourself, it's--it's hard." "It's hard to get that support behind you." "You know?" "Ithinkthisshow'sgonna help you get that support behind you." "Youknow,it wasn'tthe win  that would have meant something, or the validation that it was such a pretty dress." "It was almost like, "give her the win." "Can I get--can I have the money?"" "You know, at that point." "I'm, like..." "We left our lives to come do something fantastic, you know, and I left stability for a risk, and I'm a risk taker, and that's why I've done the show, and I think everything that will come" "from it will be beautiful." "Youknow,Anyadidn'thelp  you out, and you've helped her quite a few times in the past from slipping to the bottom." "How did you feel about the fact she wouldn't lend you any fabric?" "Ithinkshewas validwhen  she said, you know, "you shouldn't--it--it shouldn't even be a question that's being asked," but what I posed to that is then we should never be able" "to..." "Helpeachotherout ." "I kind of love it when you help each other out." "It's no nice as a viewer to be like, "oh, look, they really do get on."" "Butpeoplearegonnasee that, and, you know..." "She wouldn't even have had a garment for, uh, the Piperlime challenge if it wasn't for" "Anthony lending money, so..." "It's, like, you know, I thought--I thought at that point, you know, it was like, pat your friend on the back." "Your friend might be able to help you in a time of need, and" "I was very stressed at the moment." "I was like, "do you have any fabric with structure?"" "And then it became a "no"" "answer, you know?" "Yeah,atthemomentyouwere super mad, right?" "Well,it'sagoodthingshe didn't, 'cause what you made was perfect." "It was beautiful." "ButthatwhatI'm saying." "It turned out, and it-- you know, you trouble shoot." "That'swhathappenedwithme on the, um, sugar dog..." "Um..." "Sheepdogs." "Sheepdogs,yes." "She gave me the fabric, and then it was like, "oh, why did I help her?"" "You know, and that was just a bit hard for me to swallow, seeing as how everybody had--a lot of people had given her help along the way." "Ithinkthisisa  conversation that you all should be having with Anya herself." "When we come back, Anya will be here with us, and you'll get to listen to her side of the story." "Welcomeback,everyone,to the first ever After the Runway show." "Okay, let's bring Anya out." "Hey, how are you?" "Come on in." "Come have a seat." "So, you guys, we're gonna get straight into this." "Tell me what was going on with you two tonight." "What was all this fabric sharing, not fabric sharing?" "Anya?" "Do you have any fabric I can borrow?" "Ijustdon'teventhinkit's the right thing to be asking." "It's one thing to be doing it-- few challenges ago, but not now." "Anya,tellme ." "Someofit wasabitnewsto me that it was, like, such an issue, you know?" "YouknowIthinkyoumadea  valid point when you were like," ""at this stage you shouldn't be asking for help or fabric," but, like, then, you know, there should be something about no one ever having help along any of the journey." "Hedidhelpyou out atthe beginning." "Why did you not want to help him out in this situation?" "Well,I thinkit 'salittle bit unfair to say that--I mean, we helped each other all the way through." "The thing is is that giving fabric is a more tangible form of help, whereas, like, giving advice, for instance, is a less tangible form of help." "Understand,but,like,with my education, that's over" "$100,000 worth of education I paid for to give you that less-tangible help." "So I understand that, but it was something that I spent money on to go learn." "Doyoufeellikeyoushould have won that, Josh?" "I--I--likeI saidearlier,I would have liked to." "It'ssosubjective." "Itre--youknow,and atthis  point, it--it's like" "Standupforyourwork , though." "No,I--butat thispoint, it's, like, you know, you go up there with a great dress, and then all that's focused on is a [bleep] damn corsage." "It's like..." "Whichwe'restillfocusing on." "Youknow?" "And that's what I'm saying." "It's, like, you know, it's just--it's--it's to a point where you're like..." ""Okay, move forward."" "Yeah." "Well,youshowedatrue  competitive side, I feel." "What really brought that out of you at this point in the game?" "IthinkIdid realize particularly with this challenge that we were pitted against each other." "Right." "Anditkeptcomingupin  conversation over and over again." "And, to be honest, two--the challenge right--two challenges before, and lending fabric to" "Kim, and it kind of, like--it just kind of shocked me into the reality of where we were." "Well,I borrowedthisfabric." "Wehavean opposingteam member loaning to you?" "Yes." "Shewasverynice ." "WhatifshewinsbecauseI gave it to her?" "Oh, my God." "What have I done?" "ButI guessIfeltalittle bit..." "I don't know, a little bit taken aback that you felt like," ""Oh, my goodness, why did I help her?"" "Just like what Josh was saying." "It was like, you know, people have--had helped you, and, for me, I was really, like, almost hurt, because I was like, "wow, why would she be like, "oh, you" "shouldn't have helped me."" "You're saying it's not tangible, the stuff that he-- but Laura helped you tangibly in, you know, sewing stuff and things like that, so, for me, it was a bit--I was a bit taken" "back that you felt like you should not have helped me in that situation where we don't know if you would have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you, and I just thought that that was very," "um..." "I thought it was unfortunate that, you know, you felt that way, and I didn't know it personally." "Maybeonthatnoteit's time  that we should do a little segment called Clearing the Air." "Basically, you can pull out anything you want on the table that you want cleared up." "Okay, I'm gonna start something that I want cleared up personally." "Viktor, you accused Kimberly of copying off you." "And then, obviously Joshua couple of weeks before that." "Mm-hmm." "Didyoueverspeaktothem directly about this?" "No,I didn't." "Whynot?" "Well..." "Hold me back." "Hold me back." "[Laughter]" "Noweapon--he'sgotapot next to him, though." "I'mnotscared,ladies." "Okay?" "I--I remember, um, Kimberly told me about Joshua's pleat that he was doing, similar to mine." "Youguys,holdon." "Itwasaveryspecific back-pleat, though." "Apleat." "Likeyourinvertedpleat here." "Why--why?" "It'sbecomepopular." "Joshisdefinitelycopying some of my elements." "He has the pleat in the back of his shirt similar to mine." "Like, really?" "Thatwasn'teventhe first case of Viktor feeling plagiarized." "Listen,weareall--we're just reinventing a wheel that's already been done before." "No one is really doing something that's" "Thatistotally..." "Theonlyinfluencewehad were each other." "Let's face it." "Imean,you'renot the first person to invent the asymmetry." "Your dress was ruched, and with the feathers going." "Mine was a to--just, like, a..." "Thatwasin thesame challenge." "If it would have been, like, three challenges before, three challenges after, it would have made sense, but in that same challenge, we both had the same silhouette that's what I was speaking about." "It wasn't about me..." "Well,itwassimilar." "Itwasverysimilar." "Just in that particular challenge, we both did it at the same time, because-- well,whydidyou bringitup  when they were in the room?" "WhyamIevengonnagowith him?" "It's gonna go nowhere." "...We'reinacompetition." "It's time sensitive." "Your choice is do I spend time in a conversation about stuff, or do I get my stuff done?" "Yeah." "It'soneor theother." "Right,whichis whereIwas with the dress." "It's, like, I have three hours." "I don't ha--I'm using lining, mind you, which I used down to the "T," and I didn't have enough to make two shoulders, so it was just one." "Well,Viktor,anythingelse you want to put on the table and get cleared up?" "Well..." "I mean, this is not directed to you in a--as a person, but I think, from the beginning, Anya was definitely more exposed." "And not only that, but, like, even the judges." "I felt like they gave you so much slack because you didn't sew..." "I mean, you sewed for four months." "They were just amazed about it, instead of looking at the design, I feel." "When I--like, if we both would have made the same pants, to me, they would have been like," ""they're just pants." "They're pants." "There's nothing into it."" "If you would have made them, they would have been like, "oh, my gosh." "You made in them in four months."" "Like, I mean, not in four months." "She made that within four months of knowing how to sew, so it's almost unfair how that was treated throughout up to now." "Ithinkit 'sveryfair." "I mean, watching this episode, I felt like, you know, if I was any of you, I would be pissed, you know?" "I guess all I can say is that sometimes it may not be logical, but my own blood, sweat, and tears went into this, and it just doesn't add up in the same logical way, and I guess that's," "in my own heart, where I feel comfortable with it, you know?" "WellI thinkwe 'vecleared that up." "Um, when we come back, we have a very special guest who wants to get to the bottom of a few things." "Don't go away." "[Laughs]" "Oh,isit ParisHilton?" "[Laughs]" "Oh, God, they're funny." "Welcomeback,everyone." "Tonight we are talking with the five fabulous designers in our very first After the Runway show." "Okay, now we have a very special guest who has some questions of her own that she would like answered." "She's walked in these designers' shoes, literally, and she's also one tough cookie." "In fact, I'm more scared of her than I am of Nina, Michael, and" "Heidi put together." "Please welcome Project Runway season three finalist" "Laura Bennett." "Whoo!" "Hello." "How are you?" "So who were you expecting?" "[Laughs]" "Welcome." "So, Laura, you've been obviously watching the show, and you've been blogging about it as well." "I'm curious to know what you think of the designers that we have here." "Becausetherewassomuch  drama and misbehavior, I do definitely have some questions that I'd like to ask about." "So, Bert, I have a question for you." "I just want you to know that I was signed up to be your biggest fan from the get go." "Mm-hmm." "AndI thinkImarriedand divorced you about five times." "[Laughter]" "During the season for different reasons." "But I was always wowed when they showed a sketch that you did." "I'm just--you know..." "Wedon'tgettoseethatas much, you know?" "ButthenIdidn'talwaysfeel like what--the garment that you produced..." "Mm-hmm." "Livedupto thesketch." "Mm-hmm." "Doyoufeellikeyouhave trouble, maybe, translating from paper to fabric sometimes?" "Well,I thinkin reallife, when you're doing something, you don't produce a garment that's gonna be worn by anybody with half--basically a half fitting." "And you need time." "You need more than one fitting." "You need to be able to step back and--"okay, this is wrong." "Start over."" "We don't have that opportunity." "Right." "Youknow,it 's,like,boom," "Tim comes in the room, and you, like, just run around and hide, you know?" "It'sfunnyshepointsitout, because his sketches are amazing." "It's like on 7th Ave, when you see Halston sketches." "That'sright." "On the sidewalk." "They'rebeautiful." "Yeah." "I want to talk to Kimberly." "Kimberly, I see you as sort of the tortoise this evening." "Sort of the slow and steady wins the race." "You know, you're obviously not in the bottom, so there's--the judges have no problem with your aesthetic and your taste level and your fabric choices, but yet you're not winning the damn challenges." "How do--you know, how did you take that?" "Uh,itis veryfrustrating." "I was feeling like the judges weren't really feeling me, and seeing, you know, what I was trying to say, and, you know..." "And so, like, okay, I have to take a risk one way or another." "Either, you know..." "Iknow." "Say something." "Just say something." "Letmejustget infrontof you and say something, good, bad, or indifferent." "You know, so that's--that's where I am at this point now, so i was, like, "okay, I need to take risks." "Risks, risks, risks."" "Goodforyou." "Joshua." "My--my dear Joshua." "So you were by far the worst- behaved designer of the season." "You sort of developed this pattern of smack-talking other people's talent, trying to pull yourself back and apologizing them--to them." "Ididn'tdo thatreally." "I'm asking you if this is how it's gonna be for the next two days, because I will not have it, Bert." "Becky, if you're tired, take a nap, 'cause I don't have time for it." "I'll do it myself." "I am a mess right now." "Are you speaking about Becky in specific?" "I'mspeakingaboutalotof designers." "I mean..." "See,butthenIneed namesat that point..." "Everyepisodebecameabout you arguing with people, you crying in the confessionals, you apologizing and then slamming the person, you know, ten minutes later." "So my question to you is are you embarrassed at all?" "Ithankyoufor cominghere  today, but I'm not gonna answer your question." "Thank you, Laura." "Well,I couldsaysomething, because, you know, I know Josh on a personal level." "Like, we--we have to go through a lot as being gay, him being young, and I know he struggled a lot in his life because of that." "Right." "Sohe'snotgonnaputupwith anybody, and I--I'm not saying that everything he does is absolutely right." "ButI didn'tseethat behavior in your or in Bert." "Someofyourtacticsare bullying." "It's almost like--I mean, I think I'm the one that stood up to you, whereas Becky was, like, you know, an easy target for you, and I think that's probably what she's talking about." "It'sa validquestion,but  does it make you feel better to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions?" "I mean, you are, like, twice my age." "Well,youknow,likeIsaid," "I'm not just asking this question on my behalf." "It's many viewers that saw things exactly the way I see them." "Well,andtheother-- i actually only read your blog, and it did hurt my feelings, so then I read nothing." "So now I can't even know what other people are saying, so I can defend myself." "Because of the challenge after I cried, I read your blog and I went out Sunday night, and I was so depressed the whole time." "Because you have hurtful things to say." "You're an amazing Internet assassin, and I love it, but you know what?" "It's hurtful." "And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you," "Laura." "No,I 'mjustaskingyou if you understand how we see it as viewers." "Icanseehow you see it." "But for you to come here and, like, confront me with that isn't nice either." "Yeah,buttheway you treated designers all season wasn't nice." "Why is okay for you to attack people, and yet" "Well,thenyoubethe attacker right now, Laura, and you come for me." "Youknowwhat?" "I'm not ..." "Sittherein yourChanelsuit  and, like, come for me, then, if that's how it's gonna be." "I'mspeakingnotjusthowI  feel." "I can assure you that there are viewers..." "Iamsurethatpeoplefeel that way as well." "...He'ssomisbehaved." "That'sthewayitwas, Laura." "They're tuning in, right?" "They're tuning in to see it." "...You'retheonlyone that has school debts." "You're the only one that has a..." "AndI 'mtheonlyone with that education, that four-year education, Laura." "And Bert as well." "Soyou'retheonlyonethat has negative money in your account, therefore you should win for a draped dress, right after you smack Anya for not doing tailoring and only doing draped dresses?" "I mean, come on." "I'm just..." "Laura,youhavefavorites, and you're being biased right now." "And you're actually not even here to be mature towards me." "You came here to be polite to all of them and do this so this would happen." "Well,youknow" "SoI gohometoNewYorkand applaud yourself." "And I hope that we don't run into each other in New York, because it will not be a pleasant meeting." "Josh,I don'tthinkshe came here to be--I don't think she came here to be hurtful in any way." "I just think she came here to ask the questions that other people are probably asking." "And it's all out on the table." "We've had the discussion, and I think we should all kiss and make up." "Hug, maybe, and make up." "[Laughter]" "Thank you so much for all joining us on our very first" "After the Runway." "Laura, a special thanks to you." "AndI really--Iwishyou all  the best." "Thankyou." "You'realmostthere." "AndAnya,Joshua,Viktor," "Kimberly, Bert, thank you so much for coming." "Tune in next week for" "Project Runway." "Cheerio." "Whoo!" "== sync, corrected by elderman ==" "Nexttimeon" "Project Runway..." "We're down to our final challenge." "Oh,[ bleep],thisis it ." "Welcometogovernor'sisland." "Ah!" "Youwillbe creatingthree looks." "You will be choosing an assistant." "Aah!" "Oh,myGod!" "Lookatyoupeople." "What'sthestatueofliberty doing here?" "Ijusthad$20,000sweptaway from me by a beauty queen." "It just kills me." "Youseemverynervoustoday." "I'vebeenknowingIwantedto be a designer since I was eight." "Tochokenowisjust ashame ." "I'mnotupsetbyanything that you guys are saying." "Areyougivingyourgoodbyes?" "Isthatan assumption?" "[Gasps]" "== sync, corrected by elderman =="