"This is a Macintosh." "It comes from a little company called Apple." "Apple was started in a small town in northern California by two friends:" "Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak." "United by their interest in technology, and dissatisfied with the attempts  at personal computers by others, they knew they could do better  and set out to make the world's first good personal computer  in the form of the Apple I." "The Apple I became the Apple II." "The Apple II became the cornerstone  of an industry that would change the world." "In 1984, Apple introduced Macintosh  and Macintosh thrusted the industry forward into a new era." "Its style and ease of use gave computers to the rest of us  and inspired the next revolution in computing." "But dark times followed  and Apple slipped into the background of the computer industry." "In the late '90s, a reinvigorated Apple would return to shake things up again  and push the envelope of design and engineering." "Whether you know it or not, these events have changed your life." "We're good." "We got your sound?" " Is she on speaker?" " Yeah." "Jordan, hold on." " Are you ready to go?" " Yeah." "Okay, so this is the story of how I was introduced to Macintosh unintentionally." "My first Macintosh was an SE with a 30-megabyte hard drive." "The first Mac I used was my dad's Classic." "He had a Mac Classic, a Mac Plus..." "First Macintosh I purchased was on the day of the introduction." "Well, I had an Apple II in '79." "And then I had an Apple III." "And then I got to play with a Lisa in 1980." "I had a Blue and White G3, had a Lombard PowerBook had a Pismo PowerBook, had a Titanium PowerBook." "I was given a Macintosh 128 as one of the you know, first hundred people in the Mac division." "The first computer that we had..." "The LC, right, which I had to take away from you because you told me it was gonna cost $2500 I gave you my credit card..." "Thirty-five hundred." "I think it must've been about 1980, I played with a Lisa and that changed everything." "So it had two floppies in front and a 30-meg hard drive and I thought I was in heaven." "I mean, how could anybody ever use that much hard-drive space?" "After the introduction, we were so keyed up we couldn't really go back to work." "So that afternoon we drove around to the different computer stores in the Bay Area, trying to purchase a Mac." "The first one I owned, the first one I bought with my own money, was a 7200." "And I bought an expensive monitor and it cost me about $3500." "I got my Aluminum PowerBook, I had a dual 800 G4 with a SuperDrive." "I've got my G5 at home." "I stopped counting." "Yeah, you ended up spending 7000, so I had to go and retrieve the computer from you and get it back." "And so I inerited this computer that I had no fucking idea what to do with or anything." "And it was, like, a lot of money." "I had to borrow it off my mom." "And it took me years to pay her back." "If you think about it, from '84 to 2007, you know, that's 20-something years." "I've probably had 50 Macs." "And basically I've had a Mac since April of '84 and pretty much have had almost every Mac in my hands since then." "So that's how I was introduced to Apple." "I had to go and get it from you and retrieve it from you because you had spent too much money on my credit card." "It was the hardest thing I ever did." "I had to go and retrieve the computer from my own son." "Yeah, it was pretty hard, man." "It was not easy." "Okay, all right, all right." "So that ends that discussion, okay." "All right, so we're gonna move on now." "Okay, bye." "Apple was founded twice." "And each time there were three founders." "Two of them were Woz and Jobs but the third one, in both cases, is not extremely well-known." "In the first case, it was this guy named Ron Wayne who was just sort of a smart, general-purpose guy." "He, being artistically inclined, drew that first Newton logo that the Apple Computer Company, not the corporation, had." "The logo essentially was my own idea." "They had hit upon the idea of using the name Apple for Apple Computer." "Once they had done that, and if you have an original idea and you have an apple and you..." "The two simply fall together." "The classic story of Newton and the apple." "And so it was that I sat down and thoroughly enjoyed myself with India ink and pen and illustration board and went ahead and created this image of Newton with the apple above in a detailed, wind-blown ribbon that had the "Apple Computer Company" on it." "And around the border I had put in the philosophical comment:" ""Mind forever voyaging through strange seas of thought alone."" "Which, of course, comes from the Wordswon'th sonnet." "And that last line seemed to fit perfectly with the whole concept of this wonderful new product that was going to make the foundation of a new company." "Apple was founded again, though, as a corporation in 1977 and third founder was Mike Markkula." "He's a little more well-known than Ron Wayne." "When Apple came out, they were building the Apple I's in the garage." "The Apple I could have a keyboard attached directly to it and a computer monitor attached to it instead of lights and switches." "You could actually have your own interface." "It was groundbreaking technology." "Wozniak had designed this genius piece of engineering but he wanted to give it away." "What kind of crazy idea is that?" "So Jobs was the one who figured out this thing should be sold." "What Woz said recently I think he said, "I don't want credit for designing the first personal computer I just want credit for designing the first good one."" "Rumor has it that Jobs hated the Apple I." "I've heard numerous stories that it didn't work properly all the time or there was issues with it." "They were encouraging and promoting the Apple II, so they were giving discounts on Apple ll's if you traded in your Apple I." "Sometimes they would do an outright swap." "They wanted them off the market." "Then they were getting bandsawed in half." "But there was supposedly 200 boards made." "Now, not all of those were sold." "I hear Woz has some in storage who knows how many, maybe a half dozen or so." "Value?" "I've heard as high as 50,000 for one, but a perfectly running one in a case is gonna fetch more." "If it's got the cassette and the manuals and all that stuff." "I started doing my research on the Apple I's and the value of them." "Pretty much realized I could never afford one." "And I had gone to the user-group website Applefritter." "I talked to some people and there was discussion about making a replica of one, and nobody really stepped to the plate, so..." "It was a lot of research." "I've still, to this day, never seen an actual Apple I in operation." "A lot of it, electronically, I could figure out." "Some of it, visually, there was no way to tell without asking people, so I had to interview owners or previous owners of Apple I's to see:" ""Hey, what does the cursor look like?" "Is it solid, is it blinking?"" "It's authentic and it's true to its memory locations and it's functioning." "It will completely operate just like the Apple I." "There wasrt really a lot of commercial software available." "Most of the stuff was converted from programs that were given out in Creative Computing magazines or written initially for another computer, which was converted over to the Apple I." "There was no such thing as a production case for it." "Most Apple I's that you see in a wooden case, somebody built on their own." "One of the most common things I..." "Questions I had was:" ""Why didn't you make it look like an Apple I?"" "I didn't want people selling these as forgeries, as being an actual Apple I." "For one, it's Woz's work, and I don't want anybody infracting on that." "It's respect for the people that actually do own the Apple I's." "I don't want this project to devalue the Apple I." "I had tried getting ahold of somebody from Apple and, you know, saying:" ""This is what's going on." "Can I get permission to use the source code?"" "I didn't hear anything back so I tried to get ahold of Woz through his website and next thing you know, Wozniak had written back, saying:" ""Go ahead and use the source code." "I think it's, you know, a noble idea." "Apple probably wouldn't let you, but the worst thing Apple could say was that it was mine long before there was an Apple computer."" "He had given out the source code, schematics and everything at the Homebrew Computer Clubs long before Apple existed." "So it was pretty much his source code to give out." "I guess, yeah, they're kind of an unlikely couple, an unlikely pair, to..." "You know, Steve Wozniak was the hardware genius." "He's kind of a blue-collar hacker, interested only in the engineering." "Jobs was the salesman, the slick, smooth talker, good-looking young guy." "You gotta remember, the Apple II were designed essentially by kids who didn't have any success behind them." "And Woz is like a hero, the great nerd hero of our times." "I mean, every geek and nerd reveres Woz." "He is, you know, a living legend, a demigod, a god amongst man." "Not only for his genius, but just for that sort of purity of hacker spirit you know, the generosity of his genius." "The idea that he's not motivated to enrich himself." "You know." "He wants to build astonishing things." "And he did." "This was more..." "The Apple II was more like a work of art, it was whimsical." "It was outrageous, some of the techniques in the ROM." "And so as I worked my way through it, I thought:" ""Who would design in such a style and why?"" "And it's just the greatest thing I'd ever encountered." "It was very much like reading a great novel from an author you've never heard of or hearing a great piece of music." "It captivated me." "It captivated me." "One of the biggest success stories would have to be Team Number 1." "Team Number 1 was the original franchisee of the Team Electronics chain." "Team Central was the organization of all the Team Electronics stores, some 100 stores mostly in the upper Midwest, and it continues to operate to this day." "They've changed their name to firsttech with the demise of Team Electronics." "But to my knowledge, that would make them the longest continuously running Apple reseller in the United States." " There's more back there." "Yeah." " You've got a Bell + Howell." "I don't think we ever wanna fly this." "It's probably not..." " Not flight-won'thy?" " Whoa, is that a kite?" " It is, but it's just too valuable, you know." " Oh, yeah." "We got an Apple III back there and some other stuff too." "But most..." "This is mostly the fun stuff." " Oh, yeah." " And we're pretty sure it all works." "Back in 1977, I convinced my boss..." "At the time I was working as a buyer for the Team Electronics chain, which was headquartered here in Minneapolis." " Convinced him to let me go to the first annual West Coast Computer Faire." "Out there, I discovered a number of companies." "I'd gone to look at the processor Sol machine." "I was already aware of the Altair." "Discovered a little company called Apple who had a pretty good-sized booth right inside the front door." "Struck up a conversation with the gentleman who told me they really werert producing yet." "It would probably be later that year, October, something like that." "The gentleman seemed quite knowledgeable and once he found out that I was a buyer for a chain of electronics stores, was very interested and it turned out the person I was talking to was Mike Markkula." "Mike proceeded to talk to us about the program over the coming months we put together agreements and whatnot, and in the end he grabbed one of the first machines to come off the line put it in a bag, jumped on an airplane and brought it to Minneapolis." "This was that machine." "And you'll notice that the bag does not have a bite out of the apple." "I don't know if that was a mistake on the part of the people who produced it or more likely, that it was produced early on, before Apple decided taking the bite out of the apple would make it more registerable, if that's a word." "And this is the original brochure that came with the Apple II, or for the Apple II." "It's very simple, has an apple on the cover." "And if you'll notice on the wall beside us there is a photo that looks suspiciously familiar." "That is one of three photos that was ever produced in photo form." "I was given one for Christmas by Mike Markkula I'm told that their banker at the Bank of America got one and that there was a third one at Apple." "And to my knowledge there are probably only one or two in existence any longer today." "You'll notice many of the things here on the original brochure." "One was that they came with cassette tapes to load the programs." "For a long time, we sold Apple cassette-tape machines to sell with the machine because they couldn't get them otherwise." "Remember, the computer was fairly expensive." "In fact, I happen to have an October 1977 price list." "And a computer system with 16K of RAM which was what we typically sold it at was $1698." "Now, you can have a good chuckle today 16K was $540." "So to outfit a machine completely would take you up to about $40,000." "These are the pieces of software that were available originally with it." "There was a checkbook, home-management cassette." "There was the Breakout game, which was a little bit like Pong a Star Trek game and high-res graphics routines." "And that was what you could get with it at this point in time." "That was every piece of software Apple had." "And then this is the real deal." "This is the real deal." "It's a used computer." "It was actually used, but here's the key." "There's the serial number." "And as you can see, this was serial number five." "Fifth machine to ever come down the line assuming they put stickers on one through four." "This machine was in regular use probably up until..." "Well, it was in regular use past the introduction of the Macintosh so probably up until 1984 or '80..." "No, '86 or '87." " This machine was in regular use." "That's what you came all this way to see." "So basically you had this before anybody else did." "Yes, we..." "I guess I have to say I identified the potential of the product." "We were the first dealer/distributor that Apple ever had." "I wrote Apple's first distributor agreement, which was liberally plager..." "I mean, inspired by a Pioneer car-stereo agreement went through and defined the terms and what would be done and sent it back." "And Apple had their lawyers take a look at it and we signed it." "And we were the first-ever Apple dealer." "The Macintosh began with Jef." "Jef Raskin was a professor at UCSD." "Jef was a music professor as well as a computer professor." "Jef was hired at Apple to start the Pubs Department at Apple." "Jef is a great writer." "Was always..." "Just had a great sense of humor, was really articulate had a great rebel attitude." "In..." "I believe February '79 was the very beginning of the Mac project, where he approached Mike Markkula to ask..." "To talk about his ideas about a low-cost, easy-to-use computer." "And so he started writing a series of papers later became called, I guess, the Macintosh Papers." "And then around the fall of '79, he..." "Mike Markkula was impressed enough with the papers that he gave him some budget to pursue starting a project." "Jef needed hardware for a prototype." "Jef had sort of the basic idea of the hardware spec'd out." "He had the notion of the bitmap display which was, of course, crucial to it being a Macintosh." "But anyway, he needed to find a hardware designer and Bill Atkinson ran into Burrell, who was working in Service Department." "Bill had seen glimmers of Burrell's genius." "He introduced him to Jef as:" ""Here's the guy who could design your Macintosh for you."" "Jef said, at the first..." ""We'll see about that."" "Jef was very proud of himself." "But he quickly..." "To Jef's credit, he quickly saw Burrell was the man to do the job." "The project really took on reality when Burrell did his first design over Christmas vacation at the very, very end of the decade." "I think that's a notable point about the Mac that writers don't really make." "It was really born with the 1980s because it was designed right at the cusp of the decade ending." "But meanwhile, once he got that going Steve Jobs got wind of it, as well as other people at Apple, that boy, here's this board that is one-third the price of the Lisa that's twice as fast." "That's amazing." "The most common inspiration, clearly, was the Apple II." "Steve Jobs was even explicit about that telling us we were reincarnating the Apple II for the '80s." "I realized, as we were trying to complete the software that, boy, the Mac was so heavily graphics-based we needed someone who was a world-class graphic designer." "I had basically asked Susan to come as my date to a few of the Macintosh parties we had." "That was kind of the first connection." "And she met some of the team and really liked them and so I proposed that she work on it." "But the Mac prototypes were too rare to get her one." "So I first started her off with graph paper." "Went and just bought some pretty fine graph paper and told her to make drawings by filling in the squares or not." "And she did some fantastic work, doing some drawings that way that I think I still have somewhere." "And so I showed them to people on the team and they said:" ""Boy, yeah, she's good."" "Jef made one other key hire, a woman named Joanna Hoffman who became the Macintosh's first marketing person." "She has a great story about being interviewed by Jef while Jef was at his piano keyboard." "And when he liked something she said, he'd play a happy little melody." "If he didn't like it so much, he'd express his reactions musically." "And those original Mac team members, to this day, are my best friends my extended family." "I would do anything for them." "Apple, consciously or not positioned itself as an alternative to IBM which represented the establishment, the government, big corporations." "In 1977, Apple, a young, fledgling company invents the Apple II, the first personal computer as we know it today." "IBM dismisses the personal computer as too small to do serious computing and unimportant to their business." "And this was at a time..." "Post-Watergate, late '70s." " People were suspicious of the government and what it represented." "And the PC, the personal computer, was a revolution in computing." "And at the time, there was a utopian mindset." "The idea that technology, especially personal-computer technology would enable people to throw off the shackles of society and foment a technological revolution." "IBM enters the personal-computer market in November '81 with the IBM PC." "It is now 1984." "It appears IBM wants it all." "Will Big Blue dominate the entire computer industry?" "The entire Information Age?" "Was George Orwell right about 1984?" "He made a lot of money out of Apple but he dropped out of Silicon Valley and he taught high school for 10 years." "He volunteered in, you know, the local high school to teach kids engineering and computer science." "When Apple lost Steve, they lost their way, to some extent." "They became a shadow of what they were." "You know, the first half of the '90s, they were sort of all over the place." "They didn't know exactly what the best thing for them to do was." "Didrt know if they were supposed to be licensing the operating system or if they should be making the Newton and trying to do the next big thing." "Well, I think the main thing that touched most people was at the time all the press was bad about Apple." "Apple's gonna die Macintosh's market share was slipping." "There's no software, there's no hardware." "Everything was coming unglued." "My first job at Apple was software evangelist." "So my duties were to find developers or meet with developers and convince them to write Macintosh versions of their software as well as hardware manufacturers, to create peripherals." "So it was basically to proselytize Macintosh to the third-party-developer community." "Well, the first time I was there, we were going to change the world, all right?" "We're bringing out Macintosh for the first time no one's ever seen it, changing the world." "The second time, obviously, the world had been changed." "Perhaps the world had been changed by adopting Windows too." "So the second time was much more dire sort of digging yourself out of a hole." "The first time was just..." "It was like being paid to go to Disneyland." "Second time was more like, you know, Vietnam." "Although I wasrt in Vietnam, so that kind of trivializes it but, you know, it was a war." "The second tour of duty came when Apple was supposed to die again." "So every 10 years ago, Apple's supposed to die." "And I went back at the height, or depth of these problems." "Basically to ensure that the Macintosh cult remained vibrant and alive and cared for." "And so because I couldn't really control any medium I started an e-mail list server which had at its peak about 44,000 subscribers." "And it was only good news." "So one could make the case that I was blogging before anybody else knew what blogging was." "I just didn't know it." "So I had a very big list." "Forty-four thousand for, you know..." "Even today, 44,000 would be a big list but it was very big back then." "And I would just push out good news." "And it became a source of information so that software developers would send us notices and special offers and all that, then we'd push it to the community." "And the community would then push it out to the rest of the people." "A Guy Kawasaki law is sales fixes everything." "So when you have great sales, everybody gets along." "Life is good." "Everybody's a visionary." "You know, everybody thinks it's good, right?" "When sales sucks, everything sucks." "So sales were sucking." "So Apple was divided into factions." "There was the Jean-Louis Gassée faction and the Bill Campbell faction." "Campbell believed in marketing, Gassée believed in engineering." "Pick one." "And that kind of tore the company apart." "And the reason why I survived all this is because I never really joined either camp." "Now, you could make the case that that means that I was this neutral wimp but I just..." "I didn't see the world divided that way." "And so I got along with Sculley and I got along with Jobs." "I got along with Amelio." "I got along with everybody." "One of the reasons is because I'd never wanted any of their jobs." "All right?" "So Sculley wanted to be Steve." "Gassée wanted to be Sculley." "Bill Campbell wanted to be..." "I don't know who he wanted to be." "But, you know, that's one of the things that's pathetic about Silicon Valley is everybody wants to be something they're not." "And if you're the venture capitalist, you wanna be the entrepreneur." "Me, I just wanna be a hockey player, okay?" "So everybody wants to be something they're not." "And at the time, that was rampant at Apple." "When I got started was 1979 when I took spare parts and built an Apple II." "I tried to figure out how I could attach musical instruments to the computer which led to why I needed to learn how to write code which led to quitting college which then led to getting a job and then over the years, that turned into getting hired at Apple." "I was sort of informally in the QuickTime group as I was a formal member of the OS team although I didn't really report too well into that group." "We were always kind of a renegade kind of a group." "But we got shit done." "But the work was the Sound Manager, which was this complete rewrite that ended up fixing a lot of problems and imported it from all this nasty assembly code and rewrote it in C, and made it actually go like 10 times faster." "And then right about the same time we got the Sound Manager working I started working inside of the moonlight hours over in the forbidden zone of what the QuickTime guys were doing." "They were hiding out in the Networking building." "And the original idea was, "Now we got these CD-ROMs." "They're not just bigger floppies." "What can we do with them?"" "I know." "Let's make movies." "And so that's where the postage-stamp movie idea came from was you couldn't put one on a floppy, but you could put one on a CD-ROM." "So, you know, taking advantage of the new media." "So that was the basic idea for QuickTime." "And then that invented all these other ideas of how do you compress audio, how do you compress video how do you stream it, how do you play it, how do you synchronize it how do you do all these things in real time, how do you control it?" "And then QuickTime turned into this entire industry based upon that basic idea." "The people on the outside think that, you know it's like this wonderful world of Oz or Disney going on and all of us are just all these brilliant, amazing, happy people." "And it's not." "It's like a sausage factory, man." "You really don't wanna know how this stuff happens." "A lot of it is just bad arguments and politics and working around the rules and not doing the right thing and apologizing for it later, getting fired a few times." "I mean, that's how things got done." "It's definitely, like, don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain." "There's a lot of that stuff." "And you really don't wanna know how this stuff is built." "To me, it's embarrassing, like there's always big flaws to a lot of the stuff, you know?" "There was a computer that we shipped where the speaker's magnet was right next to the hard drive." "Now, when you played a sound it caused the hard drive's read-write head to misalign." "So in the midst of, like, playing your QuickTime movie your computer would completely freeze because it played a sound." "And I'm like, "What kind of engineers do we have around here that would put a magnet right next to your hard drive?"" "Jesus Christ, it's just a..." "It beeped and it crashed, you know?" "Then they wanted me..." "This was the solution." "They wanted me to change the decibels of the speaker so that it wouldn't interfere with the hard drive." "You're kidding me." "That's classic." "See, you know, engineers are retarded." "They have some kind of brain damage that allows them to not have social skills so that they could concentrate long enough to write code." "But it's a disease." "That's why I had to quit." "I mean, I'm like an engineer in recovery." "I don't wanna write code anymore." "It just makes you retarded." "I mean, get a girlfriend." "Get a life." "There were times when it was more difficult you know, when Microsoft was at its strongest." "Yeah, when I think about comparing Microsoft and Apple I think about the basic values of the company being almost diametrically opposed." "They have managed to distinguished themselves as the company that isn't Microsoft." "And I think there's a lot of Mac users who choose to use a Mac for that reason, that isn't a Windows machine." "I've used Windows to the extent that I've had to use Windows." "And I just cannot understand some stuff there." "I've hated Windows for a number of years and I could never figure out why." "And about three years ago, it finally hit me that the reason I hated it was because it always makes me feel stupid." "I go to do something it gives me a warning that I don't understand, it's cryptic." "But, you know, Microsoft was one of the first big developers for Apple." "I mean, they made a fortune developing software for Apple." "And also for the Mac." "They're one of the first big Mac developers as well." "As far as the PC users and Mac users being compared?" "I really feel that there is a lot of give-and-take in the PC users' world but that the PC users really get off on how complicated it is." "It makes them feel superior when they sit down with somebody and totally confuse them." "And, you know, not every PC user is like that but the ones that I have talked to basically just love to rattle on technical information at a mile a minute because it makes them look good." "Everything that, you know, went into Office, I think were initially purchased from other companies and developed for the Mac." "And then, of course, you know, rolled into Windows." "And then they..." "You know, I mean Bill Gates saw that the Mac operating system was the way to go." "And Windows, you know, 3.1 borrowed heavily from that and then Windows 95, 10 years later." "The rest is history." "To start us off in the right direction is an individual who really needs little introduction." "After all..." "After all..." "Steve Jobs has been around since the very first Macintosh." "So please join with me now and welcome, from Apple Computer Steve Jobs." "Thank you." "The last several weeks, we have looked at some of the relationships." "And I'd like to announce one of our first partnerships today a very, very meaningful one." "And that is one with Microsoft." "One of the things that I hear over and over again always from Windows people, of course is that Microsoft saved Apple from certain doom by giving them $150 million." "Well, if you look at the whole story, Steve negotiated agreement where Microsoft agreed to produce Office for another five years." "Apple wasrt gonna compete with them." "At the same time, Microsoft made an investment of $150 million in Apple stock that particular day." "That served two purposes:" "One, it made it look like Microsoft was confident in Apple's survival because they wouldn't have bought stock if they didn't." "And secondly, it kind of cemented the agreement that we're not only sure you're gonna be successful with this product we're gonna back it up by buying some stock so we're part of it." "We're not only a competitor in producing software we're a partner and owning stock." "What most people don't tell you is that they didn't need the money for Microsoft to survive this was all a marketing game." "And a lot of Windows people don't understand that." "Microsoft didn't save Apple." "And if we wanna move forward and see Apple healthy and prospering again we have to let go of a few things here." "We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose, okay?" "We have to embrace the notion that for Apple to win Apple has to do a really good job." "What makes companies very successful and what makes companies fail is the same thing." "It's sort of the passionate adherence to a strategy." "People who are passionately involved in a concept or philosophy a design, a product, all right, will put everything of themselves into it." "And you don't want somebody designing a product who isn't passionate about it." "Innovation is..." "It's really the only interesting thing." "If you're not innovating, what's the point?" "When Apple creates through engineering something very cool that people want to buy, it does well." "And when it doesn't, it doesn't." "So, you know, guess what." "Newton didn't succeed." "Apple III didn't succeed." "Lisa didn't succeed." "If you stand back and you look at the Macintosh, the Macintosh line everything they implement into their computers has personality." "It's like the difference between owning a Ferrari versus owning, you know, just a Ford Taurus." "You know, it's sleeker style, design, it's fun to drive you know, versus one that you just use to get to work." "So Macintosh was the mega hit, but what was the first company that really made CD-ROM drives on every computer?" "Guess what." "It was Apple." "Guess who democratized 802.11." "AirPort and Apple, right?" "And so how about FireWire?" "Who made that a standard?" "How about USB?" "Some companies can think you can innovate too fast because you don't sort of milk the cash cow to the maximum before moving on." "That's not the way Apple usually thinks." "So after a while, it's not just the big hit, it's also..." "You know, you can say that these revolutions were caused by little uprisings that Apple, you know, made successful." "The mouse." "Now, someone could say, "Well, PARC had the mouse" and all that, but, you know, PARC didn't make it a commercial success." "Apple sort of..." "And it basically comes from both Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak." "They don't really care about that." "Sure, they wanna make money, but that's not what it's about." "It's artistic values." "Apple wants to do the greatest thing possible." "They don't compare themselves to someone else." "Who cares about...?" "Other people can do great things too." "That's great." "It's more, like, you know, being transcendently brilliant." "No matter how well you've done it, how can you make it better?" "I would like to hear what Jonathan Ive would say." "His design is so inspired." "It's like it's divine providence or something." "He has a team of, like, phenomenally talented people and they keep working on a problem until they come up with something fresh and new." "You know, like the scroll wheel on the iPod or that Luxo-looking iMac." "If you look at what Apple does, after it does it one thing you always have to say is:" ""How come nobody else did this before?" Right?" "There's nothing, like, mythical about the iPod and the wheel, right?" "Anybody could have done that." "You know, the colored iMacs changed design in everything." "You know even on the lids of PowerBooks you know, they open up very smoothly because they have this weird counterbalancing system and no one is ever gonna see this." "It's not something that consumers will actually go out and buy." "So wouldn't you think that some of these computer companies would say:" ""Apple does well because it has beautiful products." "So how much could the most expensive industrial designer in the world cost?"" "You know, a million dollars a year in salary?" "Two million dollars a year?" "Five million dollars?" "That's what makes these products so beautiful that level of commitment and dedication to the thing to make it the best thing possible." "I'll tell you what, I'll take it to Fry's and I will you show you lines of crap." "Ugly portables, ugly towers, ugly monitors, ugly MP3 players." "Why is that?" "I guess in a sense, it proves the point that these people don't know what to steal." "They don't know what to steal." "They seem to be all kinds of different people." "You think that the prototypical Mac users seem to be like the graphic designer, you know, who lives in New York or San Francisco, is liberal, you know, young, sort of hip." "You know, there's a lot of different age groups a lot of different income brackets." "A lot of people who are in a lot of different jobs a lot of different professions." "Although Apple would like you to think that everybody is a young buck that's 20 years old that has a Mac the truth is most of the user group members are between 55 and a hundred years old." "Well, I think the Apple community has stayed remarkably consistent." "It's people who love good engineering, they love product design." "They love being different." "No pun intended." "They love probably being the underdog." "But then you ask marketers..." "You know, there are marketing guys and they're convinced that Apple is a brand." "And it conjures up brand associations of creativity and liberty, freedom." "And people are buying into the brand, the way they buy a Coke or beer or a car or a pair of sneakers." "It says something about them and their personality." "So I think people might be a little more attracted to the rebelliousness of it." "I mean, you're the anti crowd anyway because you don't have a PC, right?" "For a lot of people, it's a revelation when they go to Macworld to see other users." "It's amazing." "They never knew all these people were out there." "Yeah, actually, I went to my first Macworld this year which turned out to be a good one to go to." "That was when they introduced the iPhone." "So actually, what I wanna do..." "Switch over to Danny." "Hey, Danny." "People take their vacations at Macworld." "That'll be like a weeks' vacation just to go to Macworld." "Probably 15th." "I missed last year and Janet and I, my wife, we really regretted it because we really like coming here and meeting with people." "You know, I've seen people show up with these giant suitcases." "These huge suitcases, you know, the ones on wheels, empty." "Just for all the crap they're gonna collect at Macworld." "All that leaflets and the freebies and the buttons." "I did get my T-shirt, yeah." "That I made sure of." "It's just like being on a casino floor at Las Vegas." "You know, without the cigarette smoke or the drinks." "So you're horribly sober and people are barging into you and screaming and shrieking." "You know, I've been at Macworld and Jobs will whip out, you know, some new machine." "And my God, I've gotta have that machine." "Even though I've already got six computers." "I've gotta have that one he's just unveiled." "Why?" "Because it's faster, or it's got a silver case or it's got, you know, Bluetooth built-in or something just crazy and stupid, really." "But I got to have that machine." "So just before Apple is about to open a brand-new store a lot of people will camp out outside just for the honor of being the first inside." "There are lot of people who are really passionate about it." "When they open the Apple store, I went out there was 3-, 400 people who camped out overnight to get into the store." "And then by the time they opened it, there was several thousand." "I figure, 2-, 3-, 4000 people." "And they were wrapped around the block, you know, a couple of times." "And before Apple had Mac stores, you know, across the country a lot of people would go hang out at their, like, mom-and-pop Apple store." "People would come in with their broken down computer intending just to drop it off, but they'd end up staying all day." "They start bullshiting, talking to the other people they would meet other people who are like..." "They don't have anything in common except they're Mac users and that's enough." "You know, to cement it for them." "Yeah, this is a ma-and-pa business, absolutely." "And I couldn't have three stores without them." "One of my stores is managed by my oldest son who's 27." "He manages the Ventura store." "My wife manages this store while I manage the Woodland Hills store." "I have two daughters who are teenagers." "Jessica works here regularly Kayla comes over and kind of participates." "My little boy, he works here daily." "He mans the little kid's station." "This is definitely his operation." "You know, he captures the attention of most women and all kids." "At one point, I became a real Mac person because..." " I'm not sure how it happened, but..." " Okay." "How are you doing?" "They were just computers and all of a sudden I realized you know, I am a Mac advocate." "I do push this stuff." "Not just trying to sell it because it's my business but because they work well." "I don't bang my head on them." "Stop it, that's not nice." "So here's what's happening, there is a sound mike right there." " Every time you talk, you interfere with it." " It's in there." "Sorry." " This was my first foray into retail." " Look how cute I am." "Successful?" "I'm putting everything back into it, working to make it successful." "So this started out just as an idea." "I'm trying to figure out new ways to advertise." "First I tossed it out to the guys in the Apple specialist group." "And I got maybe three or four responses from people who have done similar things." "I didn't see any pictures of full-car wraps." "But I looked on the web and I saw all kinds of cars that were wrapped with full-body designs, and I liked it." "It seemed like it could work." "I'm trying to become a retailer and learning new things about it." "The big box guys don't entertain me when I go into their stores but they've got mountains of product." "They've got negotiating power, the likes of which I can never imagine." "But hopefully we give a little bit better experience." "Ninety percent of the things I do doesn't work." "Hopefully, the 10 percent that works..." "It seems like it's paying for itself." "Pushing things forward, so..." "I'm gonna keep on trying." "People like us keep the machines around for so much longer." "I mean, I don't think PC owners really do that." "But, you know, a Mac user..." "They'll keep an old machine around forever if it's lights are still running." "We've all got old Macs, like, you can't bear to throw away in a basement, or in a cupboard somewhere in the attic." "They're hard to part with." "You figure one day you're gonna dust them off do something with them." "You never do." "They just sit, rotting away." "There's a lot of people that collect them." "But some of them are more serious than others." "Okay." "Up first, this is our G3 monitor." "Very rare." "When this came in..." "A friend of mine brought it in." " It's the first time I'd ever seen it." "I didn't even know that Apple made it, but it was..." "Got the Apple logo on it." "And it was made for the G3 tower." "This is Apple's entry..." "It's got the Apple logo on it." " Into the portable printer..." "You recognize, these?" "Black with the Bell + Howell name on them." "Apple made it for Bell + Howell." "And they were mainly education." "I started buying a couple of these machines from people I know." "And then refurbishing them." "Here's my II Plus that I purchased originally, way back when." "I replaced my Apple II Plus with an Apple llc." "I should've thrown the II Plus away, but never did." "No, this is like our conference room that is..." "I ran out of space to fix my laptops, so I started fixing them in here." "I didn't wanna see a nice room go to waste, so I put more stuff in it." "In education, this is probably one of the biggest ones, these Microzines." "Where it's like a magazine and a diskette." "Almost every school had these." "Here's my 20th anniversary and everybody's favorite, the Cube." "Here's a cool machine, Mac mini." "They hit a home run when they made this." "Here's something that's..." "Three-and-a-half-inch diskettes, still shrink-wrapped." "They have the old, old, old Apple logo." "Apple's had several different logos over the years." "And that's one of the old ones." "You may think it's an Apple lle, but when you take this cover off you may still think it's an Apple lle, but it's not." "Apple Iigs before the llGS cases were made." "Anything interesting over here?" "No." "And the I bought a lle." "Then I bought a lle with a numeric keypad." "I should've been throwing these away, but never did so maybe that was my training." "Junk." "That's a long name for junk." "Back here, we made some kind of attempt at putting things on shelves." "Dual drives." "The Apple 51/4s." "The Apple 31/2s." "Some Apple printers." "Apple keyboards, Apple mice." "Original boxes that are empty that I just ain't got the heart to throw away." "Just don't film my butt as I'm going up here." " Oh, I won't, I won't." " Just watch your step up here, Rob." "Okay, we're in the bowels of the building, up in the rafters." "There was too much nice space up here that we didn't wanna waste." "So we built little shelves so we could put all our lle's, II Pluses." "And it looks like critters have been up here because some have fallen down on the insulation." "Apple II monitors, GS monitors, and every single one works." "They were tested before we put them up here." "Back here is a storage shed." "It was meant to hold the things that were in my basement." "And luckily we built a little bit bigger than what I intended." "Bell + Howells." "These things are going on eBay..." "I've seen them as high as, 6-, 700 bucks." "It's not ever been a money issue, collecting or disposing of the Apples." "It's probably a sickness that I have." "I have the 128 Mac in hiding." "A lot of the SEs, SE/30s." "Classics." "Only a couple Color Classics." "Six-thousand square feet building and this is only maybe less than half of what I have." "There are probably other Mac people out there same boat as I am, that just won't throw this stuff away." "So I see all these complaints about Cult of Mac." ""What are...?" "It's not a cult." "This a rational choice."" "And these are all these new Windows people that have just come onboard." "You know, and are sort of defensive about it a little still." "Because their other Windows friends who haven't crossed over yet." "There's that Macintosh cult following." "You don't get a following for nothing, you know?" "You get a..." "If it's a good product and it makes people excited..." "You can have lots of good products." "They are lots of good products." "I got a skillet and it's good." "But I'm not crazy about the skillet." "Well, it's always been kind of interesting." "There's definitely a fanatical sort of zealotry of Mac people." "You know?" "It's not a religion." "It's a computer." "I got a lawn mower too, but I don't sit around talking about it." "Yeah, I mean..." "So I cut my grass, whatever, you know?" "I type a Word document." "It's a screwdriver or it's a blender, you know, like whatever." "You know, I'm not really in love with my Mac." "I like a good movie more than I do a good Mac, you know." "I like good beverages more than my computer." "I watch the rumor sites like a hawk." "And I was a little more lucky this time because my Blue and White G3 we got it and then the G4 came out two weeks later." "It's like, "What?"" "Look how they're suing bloggers now, you know for revealing some details about a very insignificant product." "Although, it's a problem that's plagued the company, this kind of rumor control." "I get between 2500 and 3000 unique visitors a day." "And which is, you know, for the fact that I'm just putting up goofy little jokes about a computer company I think that's pretty good." "I was a pretty avid reader of rumor sites for a long time." "And, you know, usually, I mean, pretty much through the late part of the '90s." "And constantly checking on what Apple's gonna do next, that kind of thing." "And then it sort of hit me that..." "I think around the time that one of them predicted that there was gonna be a crank-powered iBook that these guys didn't necessarily know what they were talking about." "I think they also just got worse when Steve Jobs came back because he cracked down on the leaks that were going out to these sites." "And so they were probably actually better during the mid-90s they were probably more accurate." "I've actually gotten, you know..." "Been fortunate enough to have some contact with some of the Apple executives who apparently read the site on a fairly regular basis and e-mail me when they find something particularly amusing." "There's one person who I can mention since he's not there anymore, was Avie Tevanian who was the chief technologist at Apple." "And I had written..." "I had written a story about him going into puberty again." "And just how he was sulking around the office and, you know, kind of shuffling around." "And he wouldn't do any work, and, you know..." "And Steve was just having a terrible time with him and didn't know what to do." "And so, you know, I usually end up writing..." "Publishing the stories at night." "And then I go..." "You know, pretty much go right to bed." "And so I woke up the next morning and there in my Inbox was this e-mail from Avie Tevanian and I thought:" "But he was a very good sport about it." "He was amused." "And I managed to avoid any litigation." "Well, I mean it really..." "You know, I didn't start out with any goal other than..." "I just found myself writing these things anyway and I wanted a place to publish them." "So there was no grand plan in mind." "I never thought that I was gonna make any money doing it." "And I do manage to actually make at least a little bit of money doing it." "Keeps me off the streets." "The idea of a start-up sound was from the Apple II." "The Apple II once it reset, made a little beep with the square wave speaker." "So we thought that was a great idea." "Let's the computer know it's..." "Let's the world know it made it, like an infant's first cry." "The very first one we did for the earliest Mac prototypes..." "We had a square-wave sound generator built into the early Mac prototypes." "We later got rid of that." "So I made a thing that incremented the frequency with..." "You know, I tweaked the delay so it made a whooping sound." "The first original boot sound was more like something like:" "Or whatever." "And it was a little comical, but it wasrt very elegant." "And so I was experimenting with different things for the boot sound but a guy named Charlie Kellner had just joined the Mac Team who's also a brilliant musician and he had actually designed one of the first PC-based synthesizers called the alphaSyntauri for the Apple II." "He was an accomplished musician and he kind of looked what I was doing messing around with different boot sounds." "I guess for the time I was doing it, everyone could just hear it." "You know, trying this, trying that." "And he said..." "Oh, he had an algorithm he always wanted to use." "That was..." "It's not conceptually musical." "It's more conceptual at the algorithm level which was just filling sound buffer with a square wave." "And then just making passes through averaging every adjacent sample till they got to be all the same." "And that made a chiming, bell-like sound." "It was in the Mac, you know, starting in 1984 and it lasted up until the Mac II where once again, they put in even more sophisticated sound hardware and they came up with a different sound that I wasrt involved with." "Well, the start-up sound, let me think..." "Well, the main inspiration was how horrible the one on the Mac II was." "So a tritone is the most dissonant sound you could imagine." "And stack four of them together." "And that was the sound that you heard when you turned on the Mac." "Which was horrible." "And so I set out trying to change that because it didn't make any sense." "Especially when you usually hear the start-up sound after it crashed." "And so I'm like, "Great, reward for a crash."" "So the sound that I wanted to do turned out to be, politically, a challenge." "No one wanted to change it." "They thought of it as the brand." "There was this new machine that we were building at the time called the Quadra." "And the Quadra was going to have better speakers." "And then I'm like, "Great, horrible sound on better speakers."" "And so I started working on new sounds that would be the sound of..." "I kind of thought of it as:" ""What's the palette cleanser for a crash?"" "Plus, it was this new, bigger, badder machine and I wanted it to sound like a bigger, badder machine." "I remember when Byte magazine did the review." "The very opening paragraph of the review was:" ""I knew it was gonna be a good computer by the way it sounded."" "So I was like, "I did it."" "That was the actual goal, was I wanted it to sound like a good computer." "And then unfortunately, what happened was no one wanted to change the sound." "We ended up just doing it." "And after that everybody changed the start-up sound with every new ROM which was exactly the opposite problem." "You can't establish your brand if you keep changing your logo with every release." "And so, you know, these sonic logos or earcons where, you know, that should be a recognizable sound." "Right about the same time Steve Jobs came back, I heard..." "The story I heard was he had said, "Let's go back to that good sound."" "And that was the one that I had done and so it's still been there." "It's the same one." "It's the only one that's ever been there since." "So, I mean, it's kind of cool to hear it every time, I mean..." "I never really think about it, millions of people crashing and hearing me play the C-major chord." "No, it was a widespread C-major chord with a high E, I think, in the upper voice which, to me, just sounds more bright and sort of unresolved, but happy." "It's a happy chord." "It's way better than a tritone." "One psychologist said that, you know, people form a social relationship with their machine." "It becomes like a friend, it becomes personalized." "It seems a little silly but you kind of build up a relationship with your computer." "And it can either be a good relationship or it can be a dysfunctional relationship." "You can customize any computer system but these are very easy to develop a relationship with." "That's different from customizing." "They're the closest devices that I know of that are really symbiotic." "And I'll admit it, you know, when they..." "When they do make it so that you can kind of jack in neurally I'll do that." "Yeah, I think maybe somebody needs to sit down with those people." "Maybe it's Dr. Phil." "Your computer doesn't love you." "This relationship is not working." "Don't be an enabler." "Their soul is somehow reflected in that machine." "It's an object of communication, but also of creativity." "You know, the most essential things that they are the things that express themselves, are expressed through the computer." "And so they invest, you know, so much in that that it's a cybernetic relationship." "When Steve came back he was like, "Hey, you know, we should get into this music thing."" "I mean, he saw it." "But to me it was, like, five years late, like that was obvious five years earlier." "I think Apple could be as big as Sony right now if it had been five years earlier." "A phone?" "Finally?" "Whatever." "A couple of years ago when they..." "Apple said it was gonna come through with some breakthrough device there was a lot of speculation about what this might be." "People figured it was a music player, but exactly what, no one knew." "And people were saying on the forums they were gonna buy it anyway." "It didn't matter." "They were gonna get it because it was gonna be fucking great." "The iPod people have had the iPods in their pocket mainly because they love music." "And that's..." "And as do the Apple employees who created it." "You know, people complain about it, but it's..." "The fact that they were able to make the iPod is actually why..." "You know, one of the reasons why Macs are still around." "It's only really clear when you compare it to other products." "They're a pain in the ass to use." "I mean, they are impossible." "There are more iPods in my house than there are people." "By probably 2-to-1." "But I never use an iPod." "I have five." "I think I have five or we have five." "The family has five, I think." "You know, that's like this whole video thing on your iPod." "Who cares?" "I thought we used to complain about postage-stamp movies." "I mean, that was the complaint we had 16 years ago and it's back to the future." "I got this iPod." "What am I...?" "A movie on an iPod." "I don't even get it." "Like, you think, "How long can I hold this up in front of my face before my arm gets tired?"" "I mean, I can't even get through one TV sitcom." "Progress." "A big part of Apple's marketing budget was, like, sticking the machines in movies and TV shows." "You know, so it culminated with..." "What was it called?" "Independence Day." "When the PowerBook taps into the alien computer and blows up the alien ship." "They paid, you know, tens of millions of dollars, I believe, to do that." "This is when product placement was starting to become big business in Hollywood." "But since then, you know, you see them all over the place." "I mean, they are all over TV." "You know, part of it is product placement part of it is because Macs are popular in Hollywood, you know." "Obviously, they're used for video editing." "I've edited somewhere between 40 and 50 movies." "Television, theatrical movies." "No documentaries." "Richard Halsey Los Angeles, California" "We'll, I'll start with my calling card:" "Rocky, Down and Out in Beverly Hills  Beaches, American Gigolo, Sister Act  The Net, Payday, one of my favorite movies." "I was a very successful film editor." "Editing mechanically with German machines KEMs, Steenbecks, Moviolas, whatever." "Everything you can imagine." "Every piece of mechanical equipment you can imagine, I used." "Well, I wanted to move forward into computers but believe it or not, they were reluctant to." "They still thought it was cheaper to edit the old mechanical way." "I had experimented around with the Lucas system the Laserdisc system." "That thing was ridiculous." "The Montage, that was ridiculous." "And the Lightworks, that was sort of starting to happen." "And basically, it wasrt till 1995 which was late in the game." "And mostly at that point, early '90s it was, you know, the Avid." "I went and I had to do a picture, a Columbia Picture a Sandra Bullock picture called The Net." "Had a very short post-production schedule." "I had no experience, had no idea what I was doing." "Within three hours, I had the basic principles down." "So it was a good system." "I continued editing on that system for at least seven, eight years." "And then I jumped into Final Cut." "And I've been editing in Final Cut, you know, ever since." "I mean, it's an amazing system." "Take a simple film like Edward Scissorhands." "We were editing mechanically." "I was editing with my wife." "Well, we went to location with four KEMs." "I was editing, she was editing." "And then we had a husband and wife team." "They were our assistants." "So there was four of us and that was really economical." "And we had four editing machines, and we were able to keep up with camera." "We were able to get a Christmas release and do the movie quite quickly." "With this system, I'm pretty much a one-man band and my assistant." "I can do the job of six or seven editors in the old system." "Well, you can see." "I mean, look at the environment now." "Instead of editing in 1200 square feet, I can edit in 200 square feet." "Apple is Steve Jobs, for sure." "I mean, he is the one who defines the company." "He founded it, but I mean, look at its recent history." "He has his personality stamped all over it." "I used to say about Steve that he was the best person possible to work for and also the worst because he's a man of extremes." "Steve's extremely passionate." "He's incredibly sharp." "He's, more than anything else, incredibly quick." "He's got the quickest mind of anyone I've ever talked to." "Yeah, I mean, I idolize Steve Jobs." "He's absolutely, you know, one of my..." "He's my favorite celebrity, but I don't pretend that I'd understand what would come out of his mouth if I asked him a question." "I cannot explain how Steve comes up with these things because he has a different operating system." "So mere mortals cannot understand him." "That's why when people try to understand him and his quirks and all of that, they get very frustrated because you can't." "It would be like telling a fish how to understand how a bird feels flying." "It cannot be." "The fish is stuck in the water, the bird is soaring." "It's a different operating system." "That's what it is." "I think Apple is his place in the world." "This is where it all began." "And obviously, it's..." "You know, it's a piece of himself." "It's a company that seems like it needs somebody who's not just your ordinary CEO to run it." "They've tried a number of ordinary CEOs in the '90s and it just didn't work." "Because if you look at the time era that Jobs was not there Apple fell into a category where their Macs were just becoming like everyday computers." "And there was nothing special about them." "But of course Steve Jobs has an incredibly strong aesthetic in case you can't tell." "I don't think you could change the DNA of Apple if you tried." "So Apple's DNA is in building cool stuff it's an engineering company." "They can say they're marketing and all that." "But a marketing-driven company is a company that theoretically listens to the market and delivers what the market says it wants." "You could say many things about Apple, but that ain't one of them." "Okay?" "They don't listen to anybody." "Apple's idea of market research is, you know Steve's right hemisphere is connected to his left hemisphere." "That's the focus group." "Immediately when Jobs came back, the first thing he did was the iMac." "He set the personality, he set the tone of the computer." "He's like:" ""Here." "We're gonna break boundaries, we're gonna take it to the next level the next edge."" "You could make the case that Apple III wasrt his and Newton wasrt his, and Lisa wasrt his." "So the only time it flubbed or stubbed its toe was when Steve wasrt behind it." "I don't see Apple being able to continue at the pace that it's going right now." "I mean, I don't expect it to suddenly, you know, fumble and fall but it's not gonna be what it is now." "No, the problem is going to be post-Steve." "If you bring in some dickhead who thinks that he's mini-Steve and he, too, is a visionary and, he, too understands what people need, but cannot express." "So this dickhead is gonna say:" ""All right, so this is what I've decreed people will want." "And I'm the new Steve Jobs."" "The company will implode." "That depends on whether or not the philosophy employed by Steve in focusing on product and having a passionate view of the product and it's relationship to the rest of the operating enterprise." "If they get somebody like that in there then it will continue as an ever-growing, ever-expanding, ever-creative enterprise." "Well, that's interesting." "You know, that's an interesting thought." "I don't know." "Whether it just..." "Apple's just gonna stagnate, you know?" "Well, the story, and I don't know if it's true but when you went into the HP lobby, there was H's portrait and P's portrait." "And when Carly came in, she put her portrait, okay?" "You know what I'm coming to, right?" "I mean, you hire some dickhead who does that it's game over, baby." "We'll all be listening to Zunes and using Windows machines." "If they get a bottom-line man in there, it may succeed but it will never have the aura and the passion that it has today." "You can trace the greatness of Apple pretty closely back to the greatness of Steve." "Some of the flaws of Apple as well." "I can't build a case that it's going to be easy to find another Steve Jobs." "It may not be that you want another Steve Jobs because there can be no other Steve Jobs." "The Macintosh spirit was not something we created with the Macintosh although we sort of contributed to it." "But it was there before the Macintosh because it's really the spirit of the Apple II." "And so much of the spirit of the Apple II is the spirit of Steve Wozniak's personality as well as Steve Jobs'." "You know, the core of Apple is to change the world." "And that has not changed." "I don't think it can." "I don't think it could change if you tried to change it." "In a broader sense, some of that spirit of the Apple II was the spirit of the personal computer revolution." "And really what that is, more than anything else is the celebration of unbounded possibility." "The key thing..." "Those first microcomputers even pre-Apple II, but even the Apple ll's couldn't really do much." "Yet they were incredibly exciting because you knew they were the seed that would change the world." "And if you look at Steve and Woz, what they did is they created Apple I which was to change the world." "Apple II changed the world." "Macintosh changed the world." "IPod changed the world and maybe this phone will change the world." "So, you know, that's five things." "You can't call that luck." "We filled the machine with our love and passion for what we were doing." "And it radiates out on the other side of the screen and it affects the user." "A lot of people were shown Apple computers in schools." "Apple's very, very prominent in schools and therefore people that have gone through the school systems into college have just stuck with Apple." "The ones that see it as a truly superior product, which it can be." "Well, we're like all other user groups." "We got together because, you know stuff was really expensive, you couldn't afford much." "And quite frankly almost every user group in the world started out as a pirate group and became legitimate." "The commercial is great." "The commercial is fantastic." "I then edited Pirates of Silicon Valley many years later and the movie started off with that same commercial." "Well?" " Oh, my..." " Oh, God, not..." "Now, I don't have..." "Oh, shit." "Another thing Burrell and I would do every day in the earlier days of the project when we were at Texaco Towers is before we were doing something healthy we would go across the street to Cicero's Pizzeria and play "Defender."" "For one thing I'm living proof if you do one thing right in your career, you can coast for a long time." "A long time." "Do you think Steve Jobs is gonna be willing to sit down and talk to us?" "Sit down and talk to you?" "No." "Oh, I didn't wanna tell you this but Steve was in here about four months ago and spent part of a day, about three hours here." "But I'll make a prediction, and my prediction is you will not talk to Steve Jobs for this documentary." "No, that's good." "That's..." "I'm glad that he..." "Probably, probably would say no." "That depends on the mood he's in when you try to talk to him." "If you hit him on a good day, it's, "Come on in." "Come down, we'll go to dinner."" "I mean, half the time he's not willing to sit down and talk to CNNfn." "You know what I mean?" "He..." "I think he bolted out of one of those interviews a couple of years ago." "You get him on a bad day, it's, "Sorry, I haven't got time for this."" "Presuming you don't go skidding down the stairs on your hindquarters." "The only way you could hook him would be to show him some of the film." "I called him up and asked him to come visit when he had a chance." " You're fibbing, of course." " I am fibbing." "Okay." "That was good." "Okay." "That was good." "Had enough?" "Steve will not talk to the New York Times usually." "It might be better even if you didn't have him." " It might be better..." " That was a discussion, yes." " If you had a, like a cloaked figure behind the background." "You know what I mean?" "And this was the mysterious Jobs." "You know?" "I shouldn't tell you this, but he lives walking distance from here." " You could go stake out the house." " No, he'd probably call on us." " Yeah, he probably would." " Yeah, that's the thing."