"At certain periods, a whole generation is faced with two models it forgets its traditions losing its defenses and its innocence" "Hermann Hesse" "We can begin" "Dear listener, ln Your Own Time brings you our regular feature" "Guest of Honor" "Our guest today is a member of the" "Academy of Sciences research director at the Institute of Mathematics doctor of mathematics, Professor Kassymov" "Here's my first question, Mr Kassymov ls it difficult being a scientist these days" "Are you waiting for someone" "For my boss. I'm a chauffeur" "He's being interviewed here" "Thank you, that's fine" "Indeed, haute couture is unbelievable" "So you prefer haute couture... lt's much prettier and of course, it requires a lot of work" "Hours of work go into a dress before it can be put on show" "is that the way out" "Thank you" "Which is the way out?" "That way" "Thank you" "Where's the way out" "Over there." "Thank you" "That way" "Thank you" "Where's the way out" "That way" "The troubles of our day reside less in material problems my colleagues, for example haven't been paid for 6 months than in psychological problems ln fact, all our moral guidelines have disappeared" "Hence, this feeling of inconstancy and instability in our lives" "No one knows that what tomorrow will bring as the pace of change is so rapid" "Nothing around us stable anymore" "The working week, weekends, vacations pay, plans for the future one's profession nothing makes sense and it seems to me it can't carry on like this much longer" "We can't all become speculators or shopkeepers" "Someone has to produce things lt's hard to do a constructive job when everything is collapsing around you" "The great riches of the past have been abandoned and they can be stolen without risk lf l don't steal, someone else will" "This called the primitive accumulation of capital" "Berik Karakoulovitch let's tackle a more concrete subject science, a domain in which you excel" "We know that many scientific centers today are closing or are in danger of closing" "So my question may seem abrupt but it has to be asked" "What use is science in a country where almost all adults as you said, live off commerce?" "You're free, Marat." "Go to the maternity ls it a boy or a girl" "A son." "Good" "Be here at five, as usual" "Thank you." "Berik Karakoulovitch" "Hello." "Hello, Tasmira Moukatovna" "After you" "Thank you" "You'll see him at home" "You'll see him at home" "Have you thought of a name I tried, but I couldn't find one" "They say he takes after me I think he's more like you" "Let me see him again" "Don't say you're not in the wrong" "Do I call the cops?" "I couldn't brake in times" "Give me your id" "Marat, what if we sold the apartment lt would pay for the repair of the two cars" "Know what it's like changing apartments all the time here" "We have to go see the family and ask their advice" "Go see Aunt Saoule she's your sister after all" "Hi Aibek, is your mom home" "What's up?" "Aibek?" "What're you doing?" "Get back to your room" "Serik, what's happened" "Ask your sister!" "She'll tell you" "We were ripped off." "A month ago I put our money in trust and now we learn that they were crooks" "We?" "You gave them the money, you moron" "You knew what I was doing and you didn't stop me" "Don't you ever think at your age" "Why do I always have to tell you what to do I'm sick of looking after you. idiot" "That's enough" "Anyway, Marat" "I haven't enough money I know people who lend money with interest" "But at what rate I think it's 1% per day" "That's 30% per month" "But it'll see you through" "Think so" "Never mind about tomorrow" "You've got a visitor." "Who" "So what do we do, Marat" "The garage called me again today" "The cars are ready but they want their money" "You time's up, you know I don't have it yet" "That's what I thought" "Unfortunately, I can't wait any longer I need to use my car everyday for my job" "Hi, Marat" "Hi, Oleg" "Am I late?" "No" "What's wrong with your eye I banged it." "That's what I thought" "Let me introduce you:" "Marat" "Erjan Chakenovitch" "He can help with the money" "Oleg explained things lf it's that serious, let's go" "Marat!" "Where did you and Oleg serve" "Karelia, in Petrozavodsk" "That's far away ln which division lnland" "I served in East Germany a long time ago" "Those were the days" "Heard the one about the new Kazakhs" "No" "Nazarbaiev tells the new Kazakhs" "Our invaluable brains and arms have gone" "Only your gold teeth remain" "Bravo" "Hello" "What" "Hello" "Oh hello" "Here's the money you asked me for" "Oleg said you know the conditions" "There you are" "Thanks." "You're doing me a big favor" "Don't mention it lf l need you, I'll call" "Sorry about yesterday I had no other choice" "These days it's the only thing people understand" "Let's shake hands" "What happened" "Berik Karakoulovitch killed himself in his office" "What" "Didn't you know?" "They closed down the laboratory and gave the building to a bank" "Put the car away and look for a job" "Look" "Ok, give that to the captain" "This should be noted in the report" "In the Gospel according to St. Matthew" "Jesus said ironically lf the flesh is born of the spirit it is a miracle lf the spirit is born of the body it is the miracle of miracles" "The whole history of mathematics show that the miracle of miracles is impossible" "Take the key moment in the rise of mathematics when it made its first steps the most important for mankind when its very basis emerged logical demonstration" "We observe that this very basis excludes any possibility of practical applications" "Thale's theorems established clear truths for all men of reason such as the diameter which divides the circle in 2 equal parts lt was not to check the truth of these theses that required a good dose of genius but to understand that" "they required a demonstration" "Clearly, the practical value of these discoveries is nil" "Mathematics became a Science in the 6th century B.C." "in the religious circle of the Pythagoreans" "Their aim was simple to permit the fusion with godhead by grasping the world's harmony as expressed by that of numbers" "So you're sure you want to leave" "The road may be dangerous." "Aren't you afraid" "Have you got a better idea I don't want to become a street seller" "Where will you find the money" "Will you borrow it again I have no choice I'll be ok if I sell the car" "What about Aijan?" "Does she agree" "Aijan?" "I have to go whether she agrees or not" "I have to run or I'll get shouted at" "Finish your meal and wait for me out back I'll give you some food" "Ok" "Hi, are you calling from Germany" "What?" "You're already in Russia" "Which one" "Why a Nissan?" "You want a BMW" "What year" "No, he's not sick" "Look be careful!" "There's a lot of talk about theft" "All right ln how long" "We'll see." "Ok, bye." "See you soon" "Catch him up" "The Bastards" "That's the third they've stolen" "If we look at our lives in simple terms we're like passengers lost in a long tunnel" "We can no longer see the light at the entrance and the light at the other end is so weak that we look for it all the time and keep losing sight of it" "We're not even sure that there is an entrance and an exit" "All around us due to confusion or the exacerbation of our feelings all we see are monster depending on our moods and our wounds like in an exciting, exhausting game of kaleidoscopes what to do or even what is the point" "you don't ask questions like that here" "well, to return to the subject in hand" "The first time you borrowed 4,000 dollars" "Today that makes with 42 days' interest 1,680 dollors" "A total of 5,680 dollars" "Then, you borrowed 5,000 to go to Germany to buy a car" "Plus 28 days' interest 1,400 dollars" "In all, you owe 12,080 ls that right" "Yes, that's right" "You have a 2 room apartment" "A prefab building in a good situation" "At best, we could get 7,000 for it" "How will you find the rest" "Erjan!" "Dana's calling" "Listen to your father, my girl" "You must finish your studies and find a job over there, you hear" "Who ever comes back from the States these days" "Why did I spend all that money on your studies" "Don't be silly." "Listen to me" "You're bored" "How can anyone be bored over there" "Excuse me" "Where is Erjan Chakenovitch" "He's asleep" "Asleep" "He's Southerner he always sleeps after lunch" "He said Oleg will be in touch" "I think it may be far more serious than you thought" "Your child is suffering from intracranial hypertension" "That's why he cries a lot" "He needs an ultrasonic scan and urgent treatment" "The sooner the better" "I'll give you the address of a good masseur" "He's rather expensive, but he's good I think that 20 sessions should be enough" "Last month, he charged 10 dollars per session" "Aijan, here's the address" "What for?" "We can't afford it" "Oh, hi, Oleg" "You know how things are" "Why did I leave" "Because he'd fallen asleep" "Ok, I'm coming" "What if I can't manage it" "Look" "You don't know Erjan Chakenovitch" "He means business" "Here's some free advice don't mess with him" "If you're successful he'll not only write off all your debts you'll also get 10,000 through me" "What's this journalist done to you" "To me, nothing" "But to Chakenovitch's friends, plenty" "Don't get me involved I'm just carrying out orders lt would seems that he riled them by publishing an article on a factory they want to privatize" "Something like that" "What difference does it make" "Who is it" "Oleg, the beer's here" "So unload!" "I'll be right out" "Anyway" "Here's the guy' s photo" "He's a journalist" "He wirtes for a famous newspaper" "Here's his address" "He goes walking by the river near his house in the evening" "I'm sure you know you have to leave this there" "so there's nothing to connect you I'll be right back" "Got the time" "05:45" "Thank" "Autumn started early this year lt's only October and the tree are bare" "On the one hand it must be nice to live in a warm country" "No winter, so no need to spend money on heating warm clothes, and so on" "On the other hand no winter means no spring" "How do they live without spring I wouldn't swap spring for anything in the world lt's better to endure the harsh winter then see the spring arrive" "Dad" "We've been waiting for a while" "Maybe he already took out the trash" "Do we wait all night" "We'll wait a while" "He usually takes it out around this time ls it midnight already" "Not yet." "You can see there's still some light" "They turn it off at midnight round here"